#emc | Logs for 2010-11-12

[00:04:20] <theorb> theorb is now known as theorbtwo
[02:18:54] <ries_> ries_ is now known as ries
[04:35:19] <cradek> greetings from fest!
[04:39:20] <ve7it> festers rejoice
[04:42:25] <The_Ball> never fails, when I want to read something interesting I don't go to various news sites / blogs, I just check the links in the #emc backlog
[05:43:24] <elmo42> elmo42 is now known as elmo40
[13:23:50] <cradek> good morning
[13:31:39] <ries> morning cradek
[13:39:38] <atmega_> http://charlotte.craigslist.org/for/2055264257.html
[13:46:19] <cblack> What cost effective hardware would you recommend for getting an analog +/- 10V into emc?
[13:47:28] <grommit> into emc? for what?
[13:48:20] <cblack> I would like to monitor the torque output from the amplifiers and put it in a side panel.
[13:49:10] <grommit> interesting
[13:49:47] <grommit> I have a board that takes a step pulse (there is also a pwm version) and converts it to +/- 10V. it is from http://www.homanndesigns.com/
[13:50:00] <grommit> I use this to drive a motor controller
[13:50:53] <grommit> twas pretty reasonable (< ~$40)
[13:51:19] <grommit> what kind of signal comes from the amplifiers for torque?
[13:51:20] <atmega_> you just want a cheap a/d board?
[13:52:07] <cblack> yeah that or a voltage to freq converter I can plug into my 7i43 board
[13:52:38] <cblack> the signal output is 0-10V for 0-400% torque
[13:53:39] <atmega_> LM331?
[13:54:26] <cblack> Yeah I guess I can always make one.
[13:55:18] <atmega_> look for a cheap a/d board on ebay?
[13:55:47] <atmega_> atmega328 and a voltage divider + serial/usb?
[13:59:17] <atmega_> someone should make a v/f that doesn't require lots of support crap
[14:00:21] <cblack> Too bad the mesa's 7i65 doesn't work yet.. would be a great solution.
[14:21:13] <pcw_home> You could use a THCAD is its unipolar (not +-10V)
[14:24:03] <cblack> I saw that one on there. Should work as long as EMC can sample the output fast enough.
[14:24:43] <pcw_home> Its more expensive since its isolated, but it uses a ~$1-$2 V-F chip (AD7740 IICRC)
[14:24:45] <pcw_home> (you just use the velocity output of an encoder counter in up/down mode)
[14:26:24] <pcw_home> (so sample rate is not important)
[14:26:30] <cblack> Unfortunatly that means buying another interface, already used all the encoder inputs.
[14:26:38] <skunkworks> pcw_home: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLE4lzPcEo8
[14:28:53] <JT-Work> was that a test 2x4 on there
[14:29:44] <cblack> I would rather go with a commercial product then build something, I guess I'll just buy another card.
[14:30:10] <pcw_home> cblack: if there is even 1 free pin anywhere, it can be used for a single encoder input
[14:30:40] <cblack> I didn't know that. cool
[14:31:48] <pcw_home> skunkworks Thats a lot of iron to spin like that, I think you need a flashing yellow light...
[14:31:49] <skunkworks> JT-Work: that was for cutting a switch plate a few years ago
[14:32:05] <JT-Work> a big switch plate for sure :)
[14:32:31] <skunkworks> yes :)
[14:32:50] <skunkworks> That was the last thing it did before the old control went south
[14:33:19] <pcw_home> cblack may beed a different FPGA config depending on what you have connected to your FPGA I/O connectors
[14:33:30] <pcw_home> (you may)
[14:34:03] <pcw_home> How close to chios?
[14:34:12] <pcw_home> (chips)
[14:36:24] <skunkworks> I like flashing light... :)
[14:46:08] <cblack> pcw_home: Thanks.. I'll check if theres a firmware that will work.
[15:09:21] <skunkworks> cradek: Fest Update!
[15:09:50] <skunkworks> (or whoever is awake)
[15:12:48] <atmega_> where is said 'fest'?
[15:15:22] <skunkworks> in wichita at stuarts shop
[15:16:44] <atmega_> I thought wichita only existed in CW songs
[15:16:57] <SWPLinux> skunkworks: what's the inside temperature there?
[15:17:50] <SWPLinux> atmega_: it's also in the title of a Pat Metheny/Charles Hayden(?) album: "As Falls Wichita, So Falls Wichita Falls"
[15:18:11] <skunkworks> I am not there...
[15:18:14] <SWPLinux> oh, skunkworks was asking about fest. nevermind
[15:18:15] <skunkworks> rub it in!
[15:18:19] <SWPLinux> heh
[15:18:26] <skunkworks> ;)
[15:18:28] <SWPLinux> I guess I could get my rental car and head over
[15:19:41] <atmega_> hmm... I could be there in 23 hours according to google
[15:21:33] <L84Supper> Wichita .... heh... I always think of the Wichita scenes in Trains Planes and Automobiles
[15:46:41] <atmega_> I think of Dorothy
[16:21:51] <grommit> psha: there?
[16:22:28] <psha> yea
[16:22:32] <cblack> Anyone ever bought one of these chinese spindle motors... worth it, or buy something better? http://cgi.ebay.ca/WATER-COOLE-MOTOR-SPINDLE-2-2KW-AND-MATCHING-INVERTER-j-/260623437789?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cae5e0fdd
[16:22:36] <psha> no progress on input_v4l2 :)
[16:23:16] <psha> i've lot of work so on task queue
[16:23:26] <grommit> I finally got my other camera working. It was a newer model of xbox live camera, and wouldn't work. I followed (blindly - stupidly? :-), the info at the link below and it works great now.
[16:23:30] <grommit> http://stemp.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/karmic-get-the-latest-drivers-for-gspca-uvc-usbvideo-and-other/
[16:24:15] <psha> grommit: nice :)
[16:24:34] <grommit> btw, I think there may be a problem (a feature?) with camview where if the video camera is at /dev/video1 rather then /dev/video0 it won't display anything.
[16:24:59] <psha> grommit: thanks for bugreport
[16:25:11] <psha> i think initialization code has to be fixed
[16:25:36] <psha> current algo is to try devices of form videoX starting from 0 until there are files
[16:25:43] <psha> if video0 is is missing that it reject to start
[16:27:13] <psha> no
[16:27:17] <grommit> I was plugging/unplugging cameras in and out and sometimes it wouldn't display. I then noticed that the camera was at video1. So, I am not 100% sure on this, more trial required.
[16:27:36] <psha> i've checked code - it tries first 10 devices
[16:27:42] <grommit> hmm
[16:27:57] <grommit> well, as I said I am no 100%
[16:28:04] <grommit> no==not
[16:28:06] <psha> may you run it with CAM_DBG=input next time
[16:28:20] <psha> it will show you what happens
[16:28:28] <grommit> is there a man page on what cam_dbg shows?
[16:28:38] <psha> no man page
[16:28:43] <grommit> header>
[16:28:45] <grommit> ?
[16:28:51] <psha> i know only for CAM_DBG=all and CAM_DBG=input
[16:28:56] <grommit> ok
[16:28:59] <psha> whole list of debug flags may be found at source
[16:29:03] <psha> i'll give link
[16:29:37] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/cgit/psha/camunits.git/tree/camunits/dbg.h#n79
[16:29:48] <psha> http://psha.org.ru/cgit/psha/camunits.git/tree/camunits/dbg.h#n58
[16:29:55] <psha> first is not correct
[16:30:47] <grommit> thx
[16:43:23] <psha> grommit: may you make a screenshot of axis + video in some real task?
[16:43:45] <psha> so image on wiki page may be replaced with something better :)
[16:44:09] <grommit> I've been getting, from time to time, the message "Unexpected realtime delay: check dmesg for details." What should I look for in dmesg and what might cause this?
[16:45:58] <psha> with or without cam?
[16:46:06] <grommit> I see this in the dmesg output: [ 1484.200988] In recent history there were
[16:46:08] <grommit> [ 1484.200988] 1618392, 1591440, 1812336, 1366092, and 1601184
[16:46:09] <grommit> [ 1484.200988] elapsed clocks between calls to the motion controller.
[16:46:11] <grommit> [ 1484.200988] This time, there were 1639704 which is so anomalously
[16:46:13] <grommit> [ 1484.200988] large that it probably signifies a problem with your
[16:46:14] <grommit> [ 1484.200988] realtime configuration. For the rest of this run of
[16:46:16] <grommit> [ 1484.200988] EMC, this message will be suppressed.
[16:46:33] <psha> SMI issues?
[16:47:17] <psha> i'm useless here :)
[16:47:26] <grommit> psha: Using the camera I found a "backlash" problem on my machine. I spent the last couple days figuring out where that was and fixing it. Is that a good enough "real task"?
[16:50:00] <psha> i think yes :) it's not that important _what_ is task
[16:50:17] <psha> something to put into wiki in place of my screenshot
[16:50:43] <grommit> your screen shot is what got me excited about this app
[16:51:46] <L84Supper> cblack: I've heard that they work pretty well
[16:52:20] <psha> hope yours will be better :)
[16:53:48] <cblack> L84Supper: I was just reading some other people comments on them.. most people were satisfied with it.
[16:53:52] <L84Supper> cblack: unfortunately most of the feedback on that selling is for "Nail Art 3D Sticker Crystal Decal Diamond Flower" :)
[16:54:50] <L84Supper> selling/seller
[16:56:12] <L84Supper> cblack: I was looking at some larger models. I was going to try and see them my next trip out east
[16:57:13] <cblack> Tossed if I should go for the water or air cooled models.
[17:03:48] <grommit> will do the pic in a an hour or so.
[17:03:51] <grommit> bbl
[17:07:34] <L84Supper> cblack: if they designed them well, the water cooled should be more reliable
[17:09:25] <cblack> L84Supper: Yeah, prbly quite a bit quieter as well. I have an old tig cooler that should work fine.
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[17:22:15] <JT-Work_> JT-Work_ is now known as JT-Work
[17:55:38] <theorb> theorb is now known as theorbtwo
[18:20:31] <grommit> psha: http://bgp.nu/~tom/pub/tenths.png
[18:22:12] <psha> thanks
[18:22:18] <grommit> np
[18:22:48] <psha> it seem that color of crosshair need to be adjustable
[18:22:54] <grommit> thank you for the help getting it working!
[18:23:08] <grommit> Yes, the crosshair and axis labels
[18:23:24] <psha> wait a bit...
[18:23:33] <grommit> Also, it would be nice to be able to label the axis (X, Y, Z) for example
[18:24:06] <psha> it's harder :(
[18:24:21] <psha> text is not simple in opengl
[18:24:31] <grommit> figures :-)
[18:24:38] <psha> X, Y and Z may be drawn with lines :)
[18:24:47] <grommit> that would be cheating
[18:26:51] <SWPLinux> psha: somebody must have 3D models of letters somewhere :)
[18:29:13] <psha> :)
[18:29:24] <psha> there is GLUT for rendering text (that's how i'm rendering axis values)
[18:29:34] <psha> but it's not scalable...
[18:29:41] <psha> has fixed font size
[18:38:31] <psha> grommit: feeding builder
[18:39:04] <grommit> for color option?
[18:40:32] <psha> yes
[18:40:38] <grommit> cool
[18:49:22] <psha> grommit: built
[18:49:27] <psha> camunits-plugins-emc-misc
[18:49:28] <psha> :))
[18:50:21] <psha> maybe strokes are needed too?
[18:50:37] <grommit> strokes?
[18:50:57] <grommit> E: Couldn't find package camunits-plugins-emc-misc
[18:51:29] <psha> update
[18:54:28] <grommit> hmm, did update. But I don't see a difference in camview....
[18:54:55] <psha> it seem that some sort of controls have to be moved to -tiny
[18:59:14] <grommit> is the config setting part of crosshair or a new module in Misc?
[19:00:30] <psha> config part of crosshair
[19:02:26] <psha> working?
[19:02:44] <grommit> no, no additional config shows up on crosshari
[19:02:46] <grommit> crosshair
[19:03:26] <psha> look for old crosshair.so and remove it
[19:07:15] <grommit> well, I remove /usr/lib/camunits/crosshair.so but now I have no crosshair at all...
[19:07:56] <psha> reinstall camunits-plugins-emc-misc
[19:08:02] <psha> install --reinstall
[19:09:06] <psha> it's missing...
[19:09:09] <psha> wait a bit
[19:09:25] <grommit> ok
[19:09:56] <psha> oops, i've misspelled package name
[19:10:47] <psha> wait for rebuild
[19:10:58] <psha> also i'll move crosshair to EMC section of plugins
[19:11:15] <grommit> so will i do: apt-get install --reinstall camunits-plugins-emc-misc
[19:11:55] <psha> it's 'camunit-....' without s
[19:12:01] <psha> wait for rebuild
[19:12:05] <psha> so it'll get correct name
[19:17:05] <psha> grommit: done
[19:27:09] <grommit> psha: http://bgp.nu/~tom/pub/tenths-color.png
[19:27:53] <psha> that's better :)
[19:28:04] <grommit> Definitely! :-)
[19:28:16] <psha> do you need color change in emc, not via stock camview?
[19:28:44] <grommit> You mean an option to change color live? that would be very nice!
[19:28:53] <psha> so hang on
[19:29:08] <grommit> :-)
[19:35:52] <grommit> btw, camview violates the UI rules (if there is such a thing) by not warning when you overwrite a file from it's save dialog. Not your problem, nor a big deal, just fyi...
[19:36:51] <psha> and also it don't add Ctrl-S shortcut :)
[19:37:01] <psha> and it was segfaulting on invalid format :)
[19:37:23] <grommit> but other than that, it's great ;-)
[19:37:28] <psha> :)
[19:38:44] <psha> wait for a while and install camview-emc
[19:39:07] <grommit> ok
[19:40:23] <psha> it's sad that in ubuntu window is not resizing :(
[19:41:02] <grommit> as you drag Axis around?
[19:41:10] <grommit> or via the -s option?
[19:42:08] <psha> as you drag
[19:42:42] <grommit> That would be very convenient. I have a size set with -s and have to drag my window open to be able to see it all
[19:44:23] <psha> maybe i've newer version of tcl/tk
[19:44:24] <psha> dunno
[19:44:53] <psha> camview-emc has landed in repo
[19:47:33] <grommit> I updated the color image with a darker color - even more contrasty (http://bgp.nu/~tom/pub/tenths-color.png)
[19:48:14] <psha> grommit: you've spotted excelent bug in halio :))
[19:48:20] <grommit> should apt-get update be all I need
[19:48:24] <grommit> what bug is that?
[19:48:38] <psha> first Axis line is blue
[19:48:51] <psha> you need to install camview-emc :)
[19:49:04] <psha> sorry for that many of packages but i've not settled what is really needed and what - not
[19:50:06] <grommit> do I need to re-rerun camview and make new chain file, or just go?
[19:51:06] <psha> you may manuall (with gedit) replace misc.crosshair with emc.crosshair in chain file
[19:51:31] <psha> and replace camview-tiny command with camview-emc
[19:51:49] <psha> i've left camview-tiny as example app for pycamunits
[19:51:56] <psha> and started new one for EMC
[19:54:49] <psha> bbl
[19:55:01] <grommit> ok
[19:56:18] <grommit> btw, no luck...
[19:57:22] <grommit> ** (camview-emc:5876): WARNING **: unit_control.c: enum [standard] value [0] is disabled
[19:57:24] <grommit> parse error?
[19:57:25] <grommit> Unable to instantiate [emc.crosshair]
[19:57:27] <grommit> ===
[19:57:28] <grommit> Traceback (most recent call last):
[19:57:30] <grommit> File "/usr/bin/camview-emc", line 64, in <module>
[19:57:31] <grommit> w.load_from_str(open(options.chain).read())
[19:57:33] <grommit> RuntimeError: Unable to instantiate [emc.crosshair]
[20:11:07] <grommit> nevermind that last error (about instantiation)
[20:11:25] <grommit> but now, it seems to ignore the -s (size)
[20:12:00] <grommit> Axis launches, and the control drop down frame is there but the window is just a spec in the upper part of the window
[20:13:05] <grommit> Also, if I run emc-camview via command line I get: http://pastebin.ca/1989381
[20:14:53] <qq-> camview-emc*
[20:15:52] <grommit> camview-emc*: command not found
[20:16:20] <grommit> also see: http://bgp.nu/~tom/pub/fubar.png
[20:17:15] <qq-> bash: emc-camview: command not found
[20:18:26] <grommit> qq: this is a new replacement for camview-tiny
[20:19:04] <qq-> i see
[20:25:32] <psha> grommit: i'm back
[20:27:41] <psha> fixed size request
[20:27:42] <psha> hope )
[20:28:29] <psha> grommit: new package will be soon in repo
[20:28:33] <psha> 0.0.4
[20:30:23] <grommit> cool
[20:31:18] <grommit> sudo apt-get install --reinstall camview-emc ?
[20:35:09] <psha> without reinstall
[20:35:24] <grommit> one of these days I'll guess right! sheesh :-)
[20:35:41] <psha> reinstall is needed only when you want to reinstall same version
[20:35:58] <grommit> i see
[20:35:59] <psha> oh!
[20:36:27] <psha> maybe i know why camview is not expanding in ubuntu
[20:36:31] <psha> need to check though
[20:37:07] <grommit> this is a problem (not expanding)
[20:37:19] <psha> booting live cd in kvm
[20:37:41] <grommit> for me, the control is just at the bottom of the screen and I can't expand the window enough to control the control!
[20:37:54] <grommit> I need to resize the video down
[20:40:36] <grommit> I hate to ask the obvious question, but how do I change the color?
[20:40:43] <grommit> I have the drop down, but I don
[20:40:50] <grommit> don't seem to have any control over it
[20:41:37] <psha> if emc.crosshair exists in chain then colorbutton is enabled
[20:41:43] <psha> if not found - then it's disabled
[20:42:15] <grommit> hmm, how can I tell if it exists? I edited the chain file...
[20:42:58] <grommit> hold on, my fault
[20:43:11] <grommit> I rebuilt the chain file and didn't edit the new one...
[20:45:36] <grommit> oh, now I am back to instantiation error: RuntimeError: Unable to instantiate [emc.crosshair]
[20:45:47] <grommit> how do I get rid of that?
[20:46:12] <psha> install camunits-plugins-emc-misc
[20:46:38] <grommit> camunits-plug... or camunit-plug....
[20:47:23] <psha> nits
[20:47:29] <psha> camunit- have to be purged
[20:47:31] <psha> it was mistake
[20:47:48] <psha> really i had to add conflicts but it was too lazy )
[20:49:02] <grommit> errors on install: http://pastebin.ca/1989407 not sure if it matters....
[20:50:16] <psha> purge camunit-plugins-emc-misc first
[20:51:37] <grommit> sudo apt-get purge camunits-plugins-emc-misc
[20:51:39] <grommit> Reading package lists... Done
[20:51:40] <grommit> Building dependency tree
[20:51:42] <grommit> Reading state information... Done
[20:51:44] <grommit> Package camunits-plugins-emc-misc is not installed, so not removed
[20:51:45] <grommit> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
[20:52:20] <psha> :)
[20:52:29] <psha> purge camunit- without s and install camunits- with s
[20:52:43] <grommit> oh mam
[20:52:45] <grommit> man
[20:52:47] <grommit> ok
[20:53:06] <psha> purge and forget about camunit-, i've already fixed and purged it
[20:53:48] <grommit> forgotten!
[20:54:32] <grommit> very nice! it works
[20:55:42] <grommit> Now that I think about it, it is WAY more useful in Axis like this, since everything you view and associated lighting could cause any static color scheme to be difficult to see.
[20:56:33] <grommit> now get on that halio bug to make the other axis change color ;-)
[21:00:14] <psha> is first axis is always drawn with crosshair color?
[21:03:13] <grommit> yes
[21:03:20] <qq-> camview-emc > RuntimeError: Unable to instantiate [input.v4l2:0] , no more input.v4l2 ?
[21:03:39] <psha> qq-: i've not removed it :)
[21:03:44] <psha> maybe device @ /dev/video1?
[21:04:34] <qq-> and how to tell to camview-emc /dev/video1 ?
[21:04:52] <psha> relace input.v4l2:0 with input.v4l2:1
[21:05:17] <qq-> relace where ?
[21:05:34] <psha> in chain file
[21:05:47] <psha> i've reproduced bug on debian :)
[21:06:48] <qq-> psha, there is no more any v4l2 in Input chain
[21:07:37] <qq-> only Example and Log
[21:08:35] <qq-> well that's is i use camview (with-out -emc)
[21:09:06] <qq-> s/is i/ if i
[21:09:18] <psha> camera is plugged in? :)
[21:09:24] <qq-> sure
[21:09:45] <psha> and input_v4l2.so present in /usr/lib/camunits?
[21:10:37] <qq-> yes
[21:10:44] <grommit> http://bgp.nu/~tom/pub/colorpick.png :-)
[21:11:31] <psha> grommit: nice :)
[21:11:42] <psha> qq-: run it with CAM_DBG=input
[21:13:03] <qq-> is as i do
[21:13:15] <psha> and output is empty?
[21:13:21] <qq-> nooo..
[21:14:12] <psha> past it
[21:14:30] <qq-> http://paste.debian.net/99675/
[21:17:13] <psha> replace CAM_DBG=input with CAM_DBG=input,driver
[21:17:57] <qq-> psha, if cam is in /dev/video0 , i get a screen only from camview-emc
[21:18:40] <psha> what is 'screen only'?
[21:20:12] <qq-> i means not all Managed + Display+ Chain . only a display
[21:22:02] <psha> yes
[21:22:21] <qq-> with title 'camview-emc' and a Controls on bottem
[21:22:22] <psha> camview-emc is app for control only
[21:22:46] <psha> hm
[21:22:59] <qq-> ah, ok , but still no image inside
[21:22:59] <psha> no camera display widget?!
[21:23:08] <psha> is it flat and small? :)
[21:23:30] <qq-> yes, 2-3 x 2-3 cm
[21:25:17] <qq-> and in 'crosshair color' i can't do nothing
[21:25:34] <psha> wait for a bit while new version will land in repo
[21:25:45] <qq-> sure
[21:31:45] <qq-> psha, working camview-emc log http://paste.debian.net/99676/ ( with no image inside)
[21:34:39] <psha> resize it
[21:34:54] <qq-> sure i resized
[21:38:11] <psha> camera view is black, frame with 'no units in chain' or just missing?
[21:38:12] <qq-> needs to update git://psha.org.ru/psha/cu-plugins and remake the convert_v4l.so ?
[21:38:39] <psha> as i remember convert_v4l.so was not working for you?
[21:38:41] <psha> or it was?
[21:39:21] <qq-> i think it was but no images
[21:39:32] <psha> that is known as 'was not' :))
[21:39:47] <qq-> aha ..
[21:42:12] <psha> it's working for me for convertin MJPEG to RGB/BGR
[21:42:31] <psha> i'll check if there double-conversion needed for you cam
[21:43:39] <grommit> perhaps this would help qq? http://stemp.wordpress.com/2009/11/03/karmic-get-the-latest-drivers-for-gspca-uvc-usbvideo-and-other/
[21:43:56] <psha> grommit: no
[21:44:11] <psha> hes cam is working under qv4l2
[21:44:21] <grommit> oh, ok
[21:44:22] <psha> but needs conversion since it use strange pixel format
[21:44:28] <grommit> ah
[21:44:43] <psha> grommit: install new camview-emc
[21:44:51] <psha> i've added flag that enables crosshair plugin
[21:44:57] <psha> so you don't need to include it into chain
[21:46:11] <grommit> do I need to remove anything first, or just apt-get update, or apt-get install camview-emc ?
[21:51:36] <psha> update/install
[21:51:45] <psha> you've already removed buggy package
[21:52:00] <grommit> then to I need to redo the chain file>?
[21:52:06] <psha> not needed
[21:52:10] <psha> you may leave it as is
[21:52:17] <psha> or may remove emc.crosshair from it
[21:53:18] <qq-> psha, cool great display + crosshair + crosshair color
[21:53:57] <psha> qq-: it's working?!
[21:54:05] <qq-> but no image
[21:54:13] <psha> %)
[21:54:25] <psha> grommit: i'm adding auto-detection into camunits-emc
[21:54:30] <grommit> removed crosshair unit from chain file. Works fine (still have crosshair).
[21:54:33] <psha> so you don't need to create chain
[21:54:46] <grommit> No chain at all?
[21:54:55] <grommit> cool!
[21:55:30] <psha> but autodetection _will_ be buggy :)
[21:55:39] <grommit> no, never :-)
[22:00:34] <psha> building
[22:00:48] <grommit> with autodetection, already?
[22:01:03] <psha> yes
[22:02:43] <grommit> A coworker used to have the title "Giant Robot Code Monkey" on his business card. I think you can apply for that position ;-)
[22:04:21] <psha> :)
[22:08:19] <grommit> need to take off soon
[22:09:47] <psha> so let's test last version and finish for today
[22:10:16] <grommit> ok
[22:11:03] <grommit> is it built?
[22:11:03] <psha> you may try current version
[22:11:13] <psha> it has autodetection but no colorspace conversion
[22:11:22] <psha> if you camera outputs YUV it won't work
[22:11:29] <grommit> no, rgb
[22:11:33] <psha> so try it
[22:11:44] <grommit> this is camunits-emc, yes?
[22:11:56] <psha> yes
[22:12:18] <grommit> sudo apt-get install --reinstall camunits-emc should work, yes?
[22:12:25] <psha> yes
[22:12:32] <psha> but --reinstall is not needed
[22:12:44] <grommit> new version
[22:13:00] <psha> yes
[22:13:12] <psha> just start camview-emc
[22:13:27] <psha> oh, i've forgot about emc.halio plugin
[22:13:34] <grommit> E: Couldn't find package camunits-emc
[22:13:40] <psha> camview-emc
[22:13:41] <psha> sorry )
[22:14:21] <grommit> camview-emc is already the newest version.
[22:14:31] <qq-> update
[22:14:43] <grommit> i did (I thought)
[22:15:17] <grommit> I did apt-get update and then apt-get install and it says I have latest version
[22:15:24] <qq-> Setting up camview-emc (0.0.8) ?
[22:16:25] <psha> there is 0.0.9 with conversion already there )
[22:16:34] <psha> oh
[22:16:38] <psha> it's 0.0.8
[22:16:49] <psha> qq-: testing versions are built a bit earlier than lucid
[22:17:10] <qq-> :)
[22:17:21] <grommit> Not sure what I am doing wrong...
[22:17:51] <grommit> should I apt-get purge camview-emc and then apt-get install ?
[22:17:55] <psha> no
[22:17:59] <qq-> update
[22:18:05] <psha> you need just 'apt-get install camview-emc'
[22:18:09] <psha> and update
[22:18:11] <psha> of course
[22:18:13] <psha> before install
[22:18:53] <grommit> worked this time.
[22:19:01] <grommit> I did it twice before and nothing happened
[22:19:11] <psha> so just run camview-emc
[22:19:16] <grommit> that is, it said nothing would be updated...
[22:19:33] <grommit> seems to work!
[22:19:43] <psha> but without halio plugin
[22:20:07] <grommit> well, I am not running axis
[22:20:16] <grommit> so would halio still work?
[22:20:21] <grommit> I mean, if it was in there?
[22:20:56] <psha> i've forgot to add it to chain )
[22:21:07] <psha> if you have 5 minutes to wait for another build yo'll get it
[22:21:40] <grommit> yes, now running in axis and no coord.
[22:21:55] <psha> building
[22:22:02] <grommit> ok...
[22:22:27] <grommit> actually, I have to leave. I will try to do it later this weekend, or will be monday...
[22:22:51] <grommit> This is coming along very nicely! Thanks!
[22:23:03] <psha> ok, so check package version when you'll get hands on it
[22:23:16] <grommit> ok
[22:23:17] <psha> hope this will be nice addition to axis
[22:23:55] <psha> qq-: i'll ask for help tommorrow on v4l channel regarding your issue
[22:24:07] <qq-> sure
[22:24:25] <qq-> psha, thanks