#emc | Logs for 2010-11-11

[00:04:13] <theorb> theorb is now known as theorbtwo
[00:51:28] <cradek> yay for scsi
[00:51:53] <cradek> need another disk? just plug it in - no worries - why even think twice about this kind of thing?
[00:58:43] <pfred1> cradek hey how have you been?
[00:58:58] <cradek> great
[00:59:13] <cradek> going to fest tomorrow...
[00:59:37] <pfred1> well with 500 GB sata drives going for peanuts why people need scsi is beyond me
[01:00:07] <cradek> heh
[01:00:43] <pfred1> the power supply to run the scsi chain would cost more
[01:01:11] <pfred1> is it cold out there? where the fest is going to be held?
[01:01:23] <pfred1> seems like there is a cold pocket around there to me
[01:01:25] <cradek> not yet - still very warm during the day
[01:01:39] <cradek> fest is in wichita ks
[01:01:44] <pfred1> yes
[01:01:57] <cradek> oh I misread
[01:02:10] <cradek> I don't know what the weather is down there. probably a little cold but fine...
[01:17:09] <SWPadnos> warm tomorrow (like high 60s) but rainy, then getting cooler later on - more or less mid-50s in the day and low-mid 30s at night
[01:17:21] <SWPadnos> according to the forecast I saw a little while ago
[01:17:31] <cradek> it probably won't snow 2' but you never know around here
[01:18:02] <SWPadnos> we had some snow and ice storms already, but it's all melted at my house (not 5 miles from here, but here it is)
[01:29:43] <atmega_> we had snow a couple of years ago
[02:22:04] <Connor> Guys, I need some help trying to figure something out with my CNC machine.. I need to get the bed level with the gantry.. only issue is, the desk that it's on has a crown in it.. I've tried shimming it, but, that only works so far.. I'm concerned that If I rely on shimming, that if the machine moves, it will get out of wake again.. and it's made of MDF, so it's so heavy that it'll conform to what ever it's setting on.
[02:22:38] <pfred1> Connor hot glue the shims
[02:23:31] <Connor> Good idea, except how do I do that without picking up the machine.. It's gotta be over 150lbs now or more...
[02:23:40] <Connor> I can hardly move it..
[02:23:56] <pfred1> run the hot glue bead on the side
[02:24:09] <pfred1> it'll hold stuff
[02:24:47] <LawrenceG> Connor, get a scrap piece of granite countertop to sit you mill on.... not sure how big your mill is, but a sink count out might be big enough
[02:25:23] <Connor> That's not bad idea.. how thick are they?
[02:25:25] <pfred1> if the MDF is unsupported it'll warp under its own weight
[02:25:37] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc
[02:25:40] <LawrenceG> about 30mm for the good stuff
[02:26:25] <pfred1> you could make your own surface plate out of concrete too
[02:26:52] <LawrenceG> I was thinking of using a slab as the base to mount the rails on... great base... heavy and stable
[02:27:18] <pfred1> bag of concrete is maybe $4
[02:27:21] <Connor> crap. 1" is too thick.. I only have around .5" clearance because of that stupid shelf above the machine.
[02:28:00] <Connor> and it would need to be shimmed to keep it from cracking in half.
[02:28:04] <pfred1> saw the desk legs
[02:28:12] <Connor> It's a built in desk.
[02:28:24] <pfred1> you do make things difficult don't you?
[02:28:45] <Connor> Not intentially.
[02:28:48] <pfred1> get dash patch
[02:28:55] <pfred1> thinset
[02:29:03] <Connor> I just built it to fit into the space I had..
[02:29:10] <pfred1> you can lay out thinset like a quarter of an inch and it holds up
[02:29:18] <Connor> didn't know about the crown until I had already built it.
[02:29:27] <pfred1> it is used as flooring underlayment
[02:30:01] <pfred1> and it is self leveling
[02:30:13] <pfred1> bit expensive though bout $20 a bag
[02:31:23] <Connor> that's no biggie.
[02:31:38] <pfred1> yes it is called self leveling floor compound
[02:32:01] <Connor> put it on the desk direct, or, on another board or something?
[02:32:02] <pfred1> then you make like a form on your desk and just pour the stuff in
[02:32:30] <pfred1> well another board would warp on the desk top
[02:32:37] <pfred1> you need the substrate to be solid
[02:33:11] <pfred1> but if it is floor leveler can take a beating
[02:33:27] <pfred1> and you can lay the stuff down realy thin
[02:33:34] <Connor> Yea, That's what I was thinking.. let it warp to the desk.. the use that stuff... to level it.. that way, if I ever moved it or needed the desk for something else.. I would be good.
[02:33:56] <Connor> I'll check it out.
[02:34:08] <pfred1> when you mix it mix it in a 5 gallon bucket with a slow drill with a paddle
[02:34:29] <pfred1> and if you're a pro you stand on the rim of the bucket while you're mixing
[02:35:03] <Connor> My other idea was to get rid of the pracing for the top, and use stilts and support it on the 4 corners.. and adjust with screws.
[02:35:13] <pfred1> you want the stuff to come out like loose pudding like a viscous liquid
[02:35:44] <pfred1> then you tramp it a bit with a trowel and let it dry
[02:35:57] <pfred1> it is as it says self leveling
[02:36:39] <pfred1> do it nice and it'd look nice
[02:37:04] <pfred1> but do put plastic down on the floor and mask off anything you think you might splash on
[02:38:00] <pfred1> do you have a level so you can see the height of the warp?
[02:38:41] <Connor> yes.
[02:38:58] <pfred1> cool then you can calculate the rim you'd need to pour in
[02:39:17] <pfred1> in the middle you could probably leave it 1/32" shallow and it'd be OK
[02:39:29] <pfred1> just enough to barely cover
[02:39:46] <pfred1> or is it warped the other way?
[02:40:03] <pfred1> is the top convex or concave?
[02:41:09] <pfred1> I'm not sure if you should seal the patch stuff afterwards or not usually we tile over the junk
[02:41:45] <pfred1> which is to say people usually don't just leave floor patch exposed
[02:42:16] <pfred1> but thre are some pretty nifty sealers you can put on concretes
[02:42:55] <pfred1> maybe even polyurethane would do the trick
[03:17:37] <mikegg> what are we talking about here sheet rock?
[03:18:06] <Connor> My CNC, made out of MDF, on a desk that has a crown in the middle ofit..
[03:18:32] <skinnypup> leveling feet
[03:18:34] <Connor> machine is so heavy, the it formed around the crown.
[03:18:51] <Connor> http://www.ivdc.com/cnc take a look at it.
[03:18:53] <mikegg> heh, cool
[03:19:03] <Connor> it's fully enclosed.
[03:19:13] <pfred1> Connor you should probably rib the table under it somehow
[03:20:20] <mikegg> are you putting an extruder nozzle on it? i've been wanting to build one of those
[03:20:29] <Connor> Yes.
[03:20:46] <Connor> I have a wades.. and wanting for my geared stepper version to arrive from MakerGear
[03:24:45] <mikegg> whats the nozzle dia?
[03:57:07] <Connor> Sorry, was watching MythBusters. .35mm
[07:04:13] <mrsunshine> hmm, when milling wood how to avoid that there is fibers left in it? (i have to go over the fibers at one point)
[07:05:21] <Jymmm> Use a scotch bright pad, it'll remove them.
[07:06:09] <Jymmm> The 6 for $1 ones. An old toothbrush doens't hurt either.
[07:06:34] <mrsunshine> well they are sitting there quite firmly :/ have to use a knife atm to remove them
[07:06:49] <Jymmm> scotchbright pad
[07:08:35] <mrsunshine> you mean the things like you use for dishes? :P (im sure there are better versions of them also) to scrub of hard sitting food? :)
[07:08:45] <Jymmm> yep
[07:08:56] <Jymmm> and the cheap ones work well
[07:09:30] <mrsunshine> have to test it atleast, thanks for the tip =)
[07:09:35] <Jymmm> np
[07:12:03] <mrsunshine> what is the best type of mill for wood ?
[07:12:07] <mrsunshine> hard metal ? =)
[07:12:55] <Jymmm> 30k rpm spindle
[07:13:03] <Jymmm> 20-30K
[07:20:01] <mrsunshine> oki, i was thinking material in the endmill =)
[07:20:08] <mrsunshine> but the rpm is good to know also =)
[07:32:11] <Guest578> is 0.6 inches/sec a good max speed under emc?
[07:38:20] <Jymmm> Great movie... http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1220719/
[12:00:58] <TCHE> hello from all
[12:01:34] <TCHE> guys i have update my emc from 2.3.5 for 2.4.5
[12:02:08] <TCHE> in my configuration i have added joistick
[12:02:25] <TCHE> and in version 2.3.5 he works ok
[12:02:51] <TCHE> but in now this ont work
[12:03:03] <TCHE> have a idea about this?
[12:03:11] <TCHE> and other qestion
[12:03:25] <TCHE> i have a probe touch in my systen
[12:03:58] <TCHE> in tkemc gui when probe toch the part the program stop
[12:04:10] <TCHE> in axis gui no
[12:04:32] <TCHE> is possible axis gui stop when probe touch the piece?
[12:31:00] <frallzor> * frallzor hates 150MB step-files
[12:57:06] <frallzor> finally imported! woho
[13:19:18] <cpresser> now, pray that you dont have to touch off th toll, frallzor :)
[13:20:01] <frallzor> touch off? :P
[13:20:20] <cpresser> you are not talking about loading a file in axis?
[13:20:34] <frallzor> no
[13:20:40] <frallzor> step file into solidworks =)
[13:21:07] <frallzor> * frallzor is doing work that in the end will be paid by the armed forces
[13:21:11] <frallzor> thats kewl! :P
[13:22:08] <cpresser> yeah, good customers. high budget. always pay fast. thats what i think about the military :)
[13:38:53] <micges> classified step file ;P
[14:05:25] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Don't know if you care or not... http://www.frys.com/product/6310331?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
[14:17:31] <alex_joni> Jymmm: looks cool
[14:18:01] <Jymmm> Yeah, only 2GB, VESA mountable
[14:18:09] <frallzor> awesome, got a small job to machine now
[14:18:43] <Jymmm> alex_joni: mount directly to back of LCD
[14:27:45] <TCHE> ???
[14:28:01] <TCHE> hello JOni
[14:33:04] <Jymmm> This is kinda cool... http://www.frys.com/product/6320511?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
[14:35:00] <Jymmm> Only sad part is that my XP c:\WINDOWS directory is 6GB! LOL
[14:40:03] <atmega_> 77480 File(s) 18,518,479,842 bytes
[14:49:51] <JT-Work> I did learn yesterday that you can't rigid tap 0.650" deep in a 0.650" deep hole...
[14:50:16] <Jymmm> blind?
[14:50:25] <JT-Work> yep
[14:50:31] <Jymmm> heh
[14:50:48] <JT-Work> one tapped and I heard a pop then the second one broke before I could stop it
[14:51:09] <Jymmm> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/tls/2053664724.html
[14:51:22] <Jymmm> ouch
[14:52:54] <cradek> ouch
[14:53:23] <Jymmm> cradek: what are you ouching about?
[14:53:32] <cradek> the tap problem
[14:53:41] <Jymmm> ok, me too =)
[14:54:03] <Jymmm> I wasn't sure if it was that, or the cnc center
[14:54:08] <cradek> Jymmm: I'm a huge fan of that style of bed mill where there's a lot of Z travel. what luxury it is.
[14:54:28] <TCHE> hello from all
[14:54:39] <TCHE> guys i have update my emc from 2.3.5 for 2.4.5
[14:54:46] <TCHE> in my configuration i have added joistick
[14:54:53] <TCHE> and in version 2.3.5 he works ok
[14:54:54] <Jymmm> cradek: Overall, it looks compact enough for most shops/garages too.
[14:55:00] <TCHE> but in now this ont work
[14:55:01] <cradek> Jymmm: yes, nice
[14:55:10] <TCHE> have a idea about this?
[14:55:10] <cradek> TCHE: what's wrong? do you get an error?
[14:55:19] <cradek> need more information
[14:55:20] <TCHE> yes
[14:55:28] <cradek> ok, what is the error
[14:55:37] <TCHE> in version 2.3.5 this ok
[14:55:44] <TCHE> but in 2.4.5 no run
[14:56:03] <cradek> ok, I understand that
[14:56:09] <cradek> we need more information than that
[14:56:11] <Jymmm> 14+ tool charger
[14:56:21] <cradek> first, did you follow the instructions at http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING
[14:56:31] <TCHE> e see problem in emc log and post for you ok?
[14:56:43] <TCHE> ok i go see the page
[14:56:51] <cradek> yes, use a pastebin service and put the URL here if you want to share a log file
[14:56:57] <cradek> Jymmm: are you getting one?
[14:57:02] <TCHE> ok
[14:57:12] <TCHE> more ime ago
[14:57:14] <TCHE> ok?
[14:57:17] <Jymmm> cradek: Heh, I wish (no room).
[14:57:38] <atmega_> I could make the room in my garage, but not my wallet.
[14:57:41] <Jymmm> cradek: I just share what I find in case someone else is interested.
[14:58:01] <cradek> looks like 16 tool, BT40 taper
[14:58:11] <TCHE> i see the page
[14:58:36] <TCHE> hal joistick not run in the actual version from emc?
[14:59:17] <JT-Work> I think hal joystick was removed in 2.4
[14:59:29] <cradek> yes, if you were using hal_joystick, looks like you will need to change to hal_input
[14:59:35] <TCHE> and is possble to use joistick with emc?
[14:59:59] <cradek> TCHE: yes, use hal_input
[15:00:08] <TCHE> i try X11 driver
[15:00:15] <TCHE> run ok?
[15:00:38] <cradek> I don't understand what you are asking
[15:00:44] <TCHE> ok
[15:00:54] <cradek> hal_input is a hal module you can use to read the joystick
[15:01:00] <TCHE> ok
[15:01:05] <TCHE> please one moment
[15:01:46] <TCHE> like this:
[15:01:47] <TCHE> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Using_X11_Joystick_Driver
[15:02:49] <cradek> that is the wrong approach
[15:02:52] <cradek> use hal_input and halui
[15:05:07] <cpresser> TCHE: like this for example: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[15:19:24] <grommit> * grommit is using a new client: ChatZilla. How exciting.
[15:21:23] <JT-Work> TCHE: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant
[15:31:00] <Connor> I use that exact setup. Works great.
[15:34:32] <JT-Work> me too
[15:37:11] <atmega_> which joystick do you jog with?
[15:37:28] <atmega_> and do the others do anything interesting?
[15:38:50] <JT-Work> the one in the link
[15:45:59] <atmega_> aren't there 3 joystick like things on that pad?
[16:29:57] <JT-Work> yea I think one is the top hat thingy
[16:31:02] <frallzor> * frallzor just prepared a small job
[16:31:06] <skunkworks> look at this
[16:31:23] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/846800-post17.html
[16:32:40] <skunkworks> That is an 'EB' which is a little newer than ours - with the 60 tool magazine.
[16:35:19] <JT-Work> won't fit!
[16:36:41] <skunkworks> the chain can go out the building... ;)
[16:38:25] <JT-Work> too far to swim to get it!
[16:41:12] <skunkworks> heh
[16:45:04] <JT-Work> how is yours coming along?
[16:47:56] <skunkworks> JT-Work: did you see... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLE4lzPcEo8
[16:51:44] <JT-Work> cool
[17:16:43] <grommit> psha?
[17:19:15] <psha> ?
[17:19:16] <psha> here
[17:19:19] <grommit> hey
[17:19:38] <grommit> did you build a new vl4?
[17:19:39] <psha> hey :)
[17:20:02] <psha> not yet
[17:20:39] <grommit> the one i installed yesterday seems to be running...fwiw
[17:22:13] <psha> fine
[17:22:21] <psha> so let it live for a while
[17:22:33] <psha> if you'll spot something bad - let me know
[17:22:41] <grommit> ok
[17:22:45] <psha> final version will not differ much from what's now
[17:22:57] <psha> but i hope i'll fix conversion bug
[17:23:16] <grommit> what is the conversion bug?
[17:24:13] <psha> if you select BGR format in camera formats you'll get garbage (or black box)
[17:39:33] <grommit> I seem to have lots of trouble getting the camera to show up in camview as an input. I often have to plug/unplug the camera before it appears.
[17:40:56] <grommit> When I plug in a camera I see these kernel messages: http://pastebin.ca/1988290
[17:42:23] <grommit> I don't know if this is related to what camview doesn't seem to see the camera or not.
[17:44:04] <SWPLinux> well, now I know that it's tmobile and Verizon that have screwed up IRC access
[17:52:23] <motioncontrol1> ping
[17:52:37] <grommit> pong
[17:52:46] <motioncontrol1> excuse
[18:03:53] <qq-> grommit, maybe ask M$ for driver > [045e:0294] is 'Unknown device' from 'Microsoft' with no known kernel module in lenny or in sid. See
[18:10:20] <psha> grommit: other software like qv4l2 is working?
[18:10:35] <psha> if not - report this to v4l people so they will be able to fix it somehow
[18:11:17] <IchGuckLive> hi all in the USA
[18:11:37] <Jymmm> If you have three prong 220v outlet, is that missing earth ground?
[18:11:37] <IchGuckLive> today your First Lady served Big T-Bone Stakes here in Town
[18:13:06] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: from yesterdays talk there is no Battery involved it is strait DC/AC
[18:13:59] <Jymmm> that can't be correct, there has to be a reserve somewhere. You can't have the wind going for 5m then stop and expect to run anything off of it.
[18:14:52] <IchGuckLive> it is a cluster system like the Solarpanels
[18:15:14] <Jymmm> Even with solar panels on a summer day, there could be clouds rolling by blocking the sun for a moment. you would have a brown out in your equipment.
[18:15:37] <IchGuckLive> there is no internel use of the power
[18:15:42] <psha> Jymmm: you mean 'clouds staing', if they are rolling there is wind :-P
[18:16:00] <IchGuckLive> in germany everything hat to go to the power System
[18:16:15] <Jymmm> Oh, so it's returned to the grid
[18:16:55] <Jymmm> You never said anythign about still being on the grid.
[18:17:15] <Jymmm> I'm thinking in the woods in the middle of nowhere.
[18:17:35] <Jymmm> Then it should be $200 USD max
[18:18:00] <Jymmm> $49.99 on average.
[18:18:07] <IchGuckLive> in Germany if you want to use your own produced Power you got to be Stand alone ,but noone dioes this cause ,the goverment gives you twice the amount for green energy then you pay for your power
[18:18:09] <Jymmm> with a $30 mail in rebate
[18:19:02] <IchGuckLive> 200USD for 1KW wind power
[18:19:20] <Jymmm> Oh, only 1KW, then just $99 USD
[18:19:28] <Jymmm> I thought you had 4KW
[18:19:59] <Jymmm> that includes installation too.
[18:20:01] <IchGuckLive> show me a price for 200USD for the Generator
[18:20:31] <atmega_> $100 would buy me 1250 kwh
[18:20:42] <Jymmm> see, there ya go.
[18:21:02] <IchGuckLive> engine but not generator
[18:21:23] <Jymmm> EVERYTHING all inclusive including installation.
[18:21:37] <IchGuckLive> Link please
[18:22:38] <Jymmm> link for what?
[18:23:08] <IchGuckLive> the wind power Station 1KW for all include 99USD
[18:23:38] <IchGuckLive> http://www.missouriwindandsolar.com/Wind_Turbines.html
[18:24:37] <Jymmm> Hey, I can't help it if you havne't found a way to make it cheaper
[18:25:02] <Jymmm> It just an alternator and a fan blade.
[18:25:20] <IchGuckLive> 1600 USD at lowast rate in Missury
[18:25:33] <Jymmm> Yes, Misery.
[18:25:56] <Jymmm> They dont call it "Misery" for nothing.
[18:26:36] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: Dont forget the $30 mail in rebate too.
[18:28:05] <IchGuckLive> B)
[18:28:20] <Jymmm> and free shipping
[18:28:42] <IchGuckLive> So other Topic as we are in the CNC channell ! TODAY
[18:29:00] <IchGuckLive> the first Servo control and motor arrived
[18:29:13] <IchGuckLive> but there are no cabels includet
[18:29:37] <atmega_> I have cutting questions... are multiple fast cuts better than slower full cuts (through plastics)
[18:30:00] <IchGuckLive> Athow depth
[18:30:16] <IchGuckLive> atmega_: how Depth
[18:30:36] <IchGuckLive> going full thru
[18:30:36] <atmega_> 13mm total, ~3mm end mill
[18:31:03] <IchGuckLive> precicion
[18:31:20] <IchGuckLive> or cust cut to remove material
[18:31:33] <atmega_> it doesn't need to be that precise, just cosmetically appealing
[18:32:00] <IchGuckLive> then take 10 and 3
[18:32:12] <IchGuckLive> is it a pocket
[18:32:18] <atmega_> outside profile
[18:32:23] <Jymmm> atmega_: Multiple passes could introduce additional heat on the palstic deforming it.
[18:32:32] <Jymmm> just fyi
[18:32:53] <Jymmm> you could do a finish pass though.
[18:33:08] <IchGuckLive> if the tool is free outside the profile then take all at one pass
[18:33:23] <atmega_> it isn't free for most of it.
[18:33:50] <IchGuckLive> so then itd depends on removing the cutes material
[18:34:00] <atmega_> I'm doing it in 4 passes now, each pass is visible
[18:34:41] <IchGuckLive> so increase the profile on the rouphing 0.2mm
[18:34:54] <IchGuckLive> and make a finish path
[18:35:19] <IchGuckLive> finish path on full depth
[18:35:39] <atmega_> yeah, I'll try that on some scrap tonight
[18:35:49] <atmega_> I have some single flute cutters coming also
[18:36:03] <Jymmm> atmega_: what plastic?
[18:36:19] <atmega_> 'king starboard', I think it is just hdpe
[18:36:58] <Jymmm> atmega_: Just order soem from here. they are meant for cutting plastic. http://www.plasticrouting.com/
[18:37:25] <atmega_> I might... if I can convince myself to spend that much
[18:38:23] <IchGuckLive> atmega_: the tool is the part that does the job so dont spend less on that
[18:38:37] <atmega_> I have some 1" thick cast acrylic I want to cut also
[18:38:44] <Jymmm> atmega_: Just order soem from here. they are meant for cutting plastic. http://www.plasticrouting.com/
[18:39:07] <Jymmm> They are SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED to cut plastics
[18:39:29] <Jymmm> and they work damn well at it too
[18:39:43] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: agree B)
[18:40:07] <IchGuckLive> Fish Tail cuters are best to do plastic
[18:41:22] <IchGuckLive> Harricane force winds here i got to close Down BY
[19:25:04] <masa2002> hi everyone! can someone give advice where to start to solve the problem?. Homing problem z-axis home switch inactive before start of back off move, i have tried to read integrators manual part 4.3 Homing. But my technical english skills are wery poor so i havent understand
[19:26:28] <atmega_> masa2002: did you read http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?action=browse&id=Homing_And_Limit_Switch&revision=14 ?
[19:30:31] <masa2002> no i did not. but i better read if it can solve my problem. thank you!
[19:30:41] <skunkworks> http://groups.yahoo.com/group/DIY-CNC/message/30396
[19:49:04] <L84Supper> I just started looking at 3D printers again like the reprap (3 axis Cartesian with a valve or nozzle)
[19:49:41] <L84Supper> isn't EMC still missing the ability to control the nozzle on/off in real time?
[19:50:09] <atmega_> there is a reprap wiki page about using emc
[19:50:14] <skunkworks> not that I know of..
[19:50:21] <atmega_> evidently it works fine
[19:50:28] <L84Supper> controlling the position of the head x.y.z is no problem
[19:50:49] <L84Supper> how do they sync the open/close of the nozzle to position info?
[19:53:12] <skunkworks> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.4/html/gcode_main.html#sec:M62-to-M65
[19:53:42] <L84Supper> I thought that M62-65 was not included
[19:53:54] <L84Supper> maybe it's been added in the few years since I looked
[19:55:35] <L84Supper> "The actual change of the specified outputs will happen at the beginning of the next motion command. If there is no subsequent motion command, the queued output changes won't happen. It's best to always program a motion g-code (G0, G1, etc) right after the M62/63."
[19:56:21] <L84Supper> what if you don't want to stop and start motion?
[19:56:37] <L84Supper> that was the issue
[19:57:49] <atmega_> http://code.google.com/p/casainho-projects/wiki/3DPrinterEMCRepStrap
[20:03:59] <L84Supper> looks like they use the arudino to control the on/off for the extruder
[20:06:48] <L84Supper> if we included real time control based on position info that doesn't need a "subsequent motion command" the EMC could support printers
[20:07:26] <L84Supper> but it's probably not where the devs intended to go
[20:17:42] <L84Supper> I wonder if I could get these into Harbor Freight? http://makeyourbot.org/mantis9-1
[20:19:09] <L84Supper> it appears to be of higher quality than several of their current items :)