#emc | Logs for 2010-11-10

[00:04:41] <theorb> theorb is now known as theorbtwo
[00:05:20] <Valen> mole grips and vice grips are the same things it seems
[00:06:38] <pfred1> I'm sure there is some difference
[00:30:06] <jthornton> 3 out of 5 computers on the internet is good when the wife's is one of the 3 :)
[00:32:11] <pfred1> I need to run a network cable to another room in my house
[00:42:29] <willeo6709> anybody going to the wichita emc fest at stuarts?
[00:42:49] <pfred1> too far for me
[00:43:23] <jthornton> pfred1: I'll run your cable and terminate the ends if you get all the computers on this little 9 acres to talk to the internet :)
[00:43:32] <jthornton> kinda far for me too
[00:43:43] <jthornton> don't know what I'd do if I did go
[00:44:10] <tom3p> jthornton, no luck? fixed ip addr no help?
[00:44:22] <pfred1> jthornton my cable router does DHCP so I just plug machines in and its like OK
[00:44:40] <pfred1> it gets a MAC assigns an IP
[00:45:08] <pfred1> in the garage i even got the cable going to a switch and it is OK with that as well
[00:45:29] <jthornton> aww, dang laptop don't speak N router so I had to switch N for G
[00:46:04] <tom3p> sounds like linksys
[00:46:10] <jthornton> now I have to make some connections up in the shop so my machines can cruse the internet
[00:46:14] <jthornton> LOL yes
[00:46:48] <tom3p> i planned on the fest but got work, :( :)
[00:47:24] <jthornton> dang customers
[01:09:21] <andypugh> jthornton: Looking at the forum "metals" and how I appear to have gone "Platinum" at 320 posts, after "gold" at 160, I am wondering what you are at over 640? (and heading for 1280)
[01:13:49] <ries_> ries_ is now known as ries
[02:08:26] <Valen> hydrogen can be a metal
[02:09:03] <pfred1> i don't know if it gets that cold
[02:09:41] <Valen> think the core of jupiter
[02:09:44] <Valen> immense pressure
[02:10:02] <Valen> people *may* have made it in diamond vices
[02:34:17] <Jymmm> YOu believe this shit... I bought an $80 set of flare nut wrenchs and it STILL striped the nut
[02:34:55] <Jymmm> I have half the furnace taken apart and trying to figure out how to remove this
[02:37:12] <ds2> vise grips!
[02:37:40] <Jymmm> Might need to get those needle nose ones
[02:37:55] <ds2> wonder if a small parallel clamp would work
[02:37:58] <Jymmm> But is that just going to fuck it up more by shreading it?
[02:38:09] <ds2> that I donno
[02:38:31] <ds2> not sure if it is safe to attempt to use stuff like kroil or liquid wrench either
[02:38:34] <Jymmm> Me neither, and I'm afraid to apply wd40, in case it gets into the contact point
[02:38:50] <Jymmm> (gas if off btw =)
[02:39:13] <ds2> yes but the goal is to be able to light it up once after you are done
[02:39:39] <pfred1> needle nosed vise grips aren't as clamp happy as the curved jaw ones
[02:39:40] <Jymmm> Well, gas is off while I have it apart that is
[02:40:09] <pfred1> I got this gadget called a stud remover it is good for stripped stuff
[02:40:09] <Jymmm> pfred1: Maybe so, but there are the ONLY thing that will fit into it without takeing EVERYTHING apart
[02:40:31] <Jymmm> pfred1: this is a 50 yo thermocoupler
[02:40:39] <Jymmm> pfred1: this is a 50 yo thermocouple
[02:40:41] <pfred1> have you soaked this with penetrating oil?
[02:40:53] <Jymmm> pfred1: We just talked about that, no.
[02:40:57] <pfred1> PB Blaster is the stuff
[02:41:02] <ds2> from what I have seen, it should be either one nut to retain it or the entire thingie is has a thread (kind of like the O2 sensor stuff)
[02:41:48] <Jymmm> pfred1: What happens of the oil gets into the thermostat housing area?
[02:41:53] <Jymmm> s/of/if/
[02:42:07] <Jymmm> aka the gas valve block
[02:42:20] <ds2> ka-boom? :D
[02:42:44] <Jymmm> ds2: I doubt it, I'd suspect it wouldn't work at all then.
[02:42:53] <pfred1> don't know from the sounds of it you're going to be replacing things anyways
[02:43:11] <pfred1> you can always clean stuff up after you get it out
[02:43:20] <ds2> that stuff is largely mechanical so I don't think that would happen.. I would be more concern about residue and vapors
[02:43:27] <Jymmm> the oild would block the milivoltage from the therocouple and not keep the pilot on.
[02:43:54] <ds2> do those thermocouples really generate a voltage or is it a mechanical thing?
[02:44:22] <pfred1> I thought they were bimetalic strips
[02:46:34] <pfred1> if I was worried about oil contamination though I'd degrease it after the job or before i put things back together but stuck stuff needs lube
[02:53:21] <Jymmm> they generate milivolts when heated
[02:54:11] <Jymmm> ds2: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermocouple
[02:55:45] <Jymmm> ds2: Specifically http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thermocouple#Heating_appliance_safety
[02:56:58] <Jymmm> but a Thermopile is used in 24v systems
[02:57:41] <SWPadnos> thermopiles and thermocouples aren't the same thing
[02:57:52] <SWPadnos> AFAIK
[03:00:03] <atmega> I think a thermopile is a battery where the cell is a thermocouple
[03:00:58] <SWPadnos> well, a thermopile is designed to provide a small amount of power to a circuit, such as a thermostat
[03:01:14] <SWPadnos> a thermocouple is designed to provide a signal that's proportional to temperature
[03:01:23] <atmega> ok
[03:01:32] <SWPadnos> (which could be a varying resistance or whatever, it doesn't have to be a generator at all)
[03:02:28] <atmega> my limited experience is that they have to produce voltage
[03:04:31] <SWPadnos> ok, the wikipedia page shows that a thermocouple is a voltage source (bimetallic hot/cold)
[03:05:35] <SWPadnos> yeah, so I'll go with your definition, which is also in the wikipedia page :)
[03:07:19] <ds2> Hmmmm
[03:12:54] <Valen> they do use the thermocouple to power the pilot light is my understanding
[03:13:11] <Valen> that or some of the funky electron emission things
[03:14:00] <atmega> wouldn't a thermocouple need a relay or something to drive a solenoid?
[03:14:18] <Valen> nah, kinda the point
[03:14:45] <atmega> the valve operates of mV?
[03:14:49] <Valen> yeah
[03:15:04] <Valen> or with a thermopile (a bunch of thermocouples in series) to get a bit more herbs
[03:15:22] <atmega> I bought two pieces of 1" thick acrylic from a guy on ebay, he shipped one usps, one ups
[03:15:39] <ds2> how big?
[03:15:56] <atmega> 5"x32" and like 6x6
[03:16:06] <ds2> 6"x6" or 6'x6'?
[03:16:10] <atmega> heh, inch
[03:16:18] <ds2> oh small stuff
[03:16:19] <atmega> 6x6 would weigh a ton
[03:16:23] <atmega> feet
[03:16:35] <ds2> yes, but it might be useful for specific purposes ;)
[03:16:36] <atmega> or rather, a lot more than this little piece
[04:02:36] <Jymmm> fuck a duck.... had to hit ornage borg for needle nose vice grips.... FINALLY got it out. oxidized as can be
[04:04:50] <LawrenceG> steel in aluminium casting?
[04:05:02] <Jymmm> ?
[04:05:10] <Jymmm> brass in aluminim
[04:05:26] <LawrenceG> ah... all fixed now?
[04:05:43] <Jymmm> bought flarnut wrenches early and STILL striped the damn thing.
[04:05:54] <Jymmm> No, just finally got it out.
[04:06:16] <Jymmm> Still have to clena the socket from the oxidtion and install the new one, then reassemebl the furnace
[04:06:55] <LawrenceG> kind of like working on cars... there is always 1 fastener that either shears off or refuses to come out
[04:07:22] <Jymmm> FWIW... DO NOT buy crowfoot flair nut wrenchs from sears, they are shit
[04:07:49] <Jymmm> aka craftsman
[04:08:09] <Jymmm> Spend the money for snapon, mac,etc
[04:08:29] <Jymmm> unless you like round gas nuts
[04:08:52] <Jymmm> bbiab
[04:09:17] <LawrenceG> hey... the rainy season started here and my new jeep filled up with water... seems the roof drains into the passenger compartment via the door seals
[05:03:18] <Valen> awesome
[05:05:08] <Valen> still under warranty
[05:13:34] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: There is a BIG recall on 2010/2011 jeeps
[05:14:42] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: they can start and pop into gear on their own - seriously
[05:16:48] <pcw_home_> pcw_home_ is now known as pcw_home
[05:20:05] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: google 2010 grand cherokee recalls
[05:20:16] <Jymmm> and commander and dodge too
[05:20:25] <Jymmm> and chrysler
[05:22:40] <elmo421> elmo421 is now known as elmo40
[05:30:11] <rooks> Jymmm, wow
[05:30:42] <Jymmm> =)
[05:32:31] <elmo40> great vehicle to get, eh? :/
[05:32:50] <Jymmm> Especially at $60,000 USD
[05:33:51] <LawrenceG> I have a lowly wrangler.... I hate all the fancy crap.... hard enough keeping the basics running
[05:35:38] <rooks> thank god im in eu and we have the working public transport :P
[05:35:51] <rooks> so i dont have to have a car
[05:38:18] <LawrenceG> only recalls on 2010 wrangler are defective brake lines..... minor technical difficulty :} I dont need any stinkin brakes.... they hurt mileage ratings
[05:38:33] <elmo40> my sentiments exactly!
[05:50:04] <rooks> its a feature
[05:53:12] <elmo42> elmo42 is now known as elmo40
[07:37:04] <morfic-> morfic- is now known as morfic
[09:54:12] <alex_joni> Valen: there are thicknesses that don't work with plasma
[09:54:31] <alex_joni> anything above 2" is too expensive to cut with plasma, so oxy-fuel or waterjet is used
[09:54:38] <alex_joni> but waterjuet also goes only that far
[09:55:01] <alex_joni> I've seen cases of oxy-fule cutting (severance actually) where the part was 3-4m thick
[10:07:58] <Valen> my understanding was plasma had a narrower cut in ferromagnetic materials than pretty much anything else
[10:08:16] <Valen> if they are cutting really big things they generally use thermal lances
[13:13:04] <ries_> ries_ is now known as ries
[13:18:14] <Jymmm> Jedi Light Saber!!!
[13:56:39] <elmo42> elmo42 is now known as elmo40
[13:59:53] <elmo40> according to wiki, plasma can cut up to 6"
[14:09:17] <elmo40> you can make your own plasma machine. just need one or more of these to switch it: http://www.power-io.com/products/hdd.htm
[14:12:05] <Jymmm> Is 25uS fast enough?
[14:12:15] <Jymmm> Is 50uS fast enough?
[14:12:16] <elmo40> to turn on a plasma torch?
[14:12:26] <elmo40> or your latency? ;)
[14:14:55] <elmo40> Jymmm: sure it is fast enough. mine is 3.8M nS >_<
[14:15:50] <elmo40> wow, welding is getting REALLY high tech! http://qurl.org/e51 Laser-MIG Hybrid
[14:17:22] <Jymmm> 3.8 milliseconds
[14:18:05] <elmo40> exactly
[14:18:13] <elmo40> so your 50uS is plenty fast enough
[14:37:08] <skunkworks> your probably not going to generate any steps faster than 15k
[14:37:31] <skunkworks> maybe even less
[14:38:14] <elmo40> 15k/min?
[14:39:06] <skunkworks> second
[14:40:57] <elmo40> those numbers are when I load up things... watch youtube, listen to xmms and move glxgears around.
[14:41:06] <elmo40> I never do that when machining ;)
[14:41:44] <elmo40> when I just start the latency test it will jump to ~18,000nS, give or take a few.
[14:42:27] <elmo40> but if I open a console it climbs to 45 :(
[15:20:45] <tche> hello guys
[15:21:00] <tche> good for alls
[15:21:24] <tche> hey what do to rotate (g code) in emc?
[15:21:37] <tche> like g68 in fanuc
[15:24:38] <alex_joni> see if this helps: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html/gcode_main.html#sub:G10:-Set-Coordinate
[15:28:20] <elmo40> rotate?
[15:28:28] <elmo40> like an A-axis?
[15:39:42] <tche> rotate the plane
[15:40:17] <tche> g10 l2 p1 r90
[15:40:22] <tche> for exemple
[15:40:40] <tche> but dont have sucess
[15:45:47] <cradek> can you explain what you mean when you say you don't have success?
[15:48:37] <tche> i write in my gcode
[15:49:01] <tche> G10 L2 P1 R90 X0 Y0
[15:49:22] <tche> iwant rotate my program 90º
[15:49:27] <tche> ok?
[15:49:39] <cradek> ok, that will do it.
[15:49:59] <cradek> that sets up the G54 coordinate system to be rotated 90 degrees ccw and have its origin unoffset from the machine origin
[15:51:07] <tche> i set g54 origns
[15:51:30] <tche> i have twho origs g54 and g55
[15:51:57] <tche> my code not ok?
[15:52:30] <cradek> I don't understand what is not working for you
[15:52:40] <cradek> please explain
[15:53:31] <tche> the comand not efect in my gcode
[15:53:33] <elmo40> tche: do you receive an error?
[15:53:46] <JT-Work_> JT-Work_ is now known as JT-Work
[15:54:18] <tche> no have error
[15:54:35] <tche> only thgis code no have efect in my gcode
[15:54:40] <tche> understand
[15:54:41] <tche> ?
[15:55:52] <tche> i want rotate my program 90 degree in your orign
[15:55:56] <elmo40> I understand. I don't understand why it is not working, though.
[15:55:58] <cradek> if I start emc, home, issue MDI commands G10 L2 P1 X0 Y0 R90, G0 X1, the tool moves upward
[15:56:17] <elmo40> cradek: in the 'y' direction?
[15:56:23] <tche> i to try it
[15:56:43] <cradek> elmo40: yes
[15:56:50] <elmo40> ok, same here.
[15:57:04] <cradek> switching between 'machine' and 'relative' position I see machine X0 Y1, relative X1 Y0
[16:04:20] <tche> i work in "machine" or "relative"?
[16:06:54] <tche> dont work
[16:07:02] <cradek> explain
[16:07:41] <tche> the comand G10 L2 P1 X0 Y0 R9 no set my program
[16:08:00] <tche> the tool move in same direction
[16:08:14] <cradek> what version of emc?
[16:08:20] <cradek> pastebin your gcode?
[16:08:26] <tche> i not understand becasue
[16:08:33] <tche> ok
[16:08:38] <tche> pastebin?
[16:08:44] <cradek> what version of emc?
[16:09:09] <tche> 2.3.5
[16:09:57] <cradek> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Released
[16:10:11] <cradek> if you check the release notes you'll see that coordinate system rotation was added in version 2.4.0
[16:10:32] <cradek> you should update to 2.4.5
[16:10:47] <cradek> instructions here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UpdatingTo2.4
[16:11:19] <tche> my version no makes tuhis?
[16:11:44] <tche> this?
[16:12:04] <tche> 2.3.5 no rotate?
[16:12:51] <elmo40> no rotate until 2.4.0
[16:13:25] <tche> in my documentation see the comand
[16:13:32] <tche> whel
[16:13:41] <tche> i update my program then
[16:16:50] <elmo40> http://isbn.nu/007144484X
[16:20:46] <cradek> weirdly, in 2.3, G10 ... R is accepted - it does not give an error.
[16:22:26] <cradek> oh I see why - G10 L1 R sets a tool's radius
[16:22:35] <cradek> it's a bug that G10 L2 R is not an error
[16:22:58] <elmo40> definitely need to upgrade then.
[16:23:08] <cradek> yes - simple fix
[16:30:22] <elmo40> he hasn't returned. must be a lot of other things that need upgrading ;)
[17:21:49] <psha> grommit: here?
[17:29:37] <psha> grommit: i've added control for line spacing, it will be in version 0.0.4
[17:29:53] <psha> grommit: building now so will be in repo in ~15 minutes
[17:49:53] <grommit> hey psha, here now
[17:50:41] <grommit> so to update I do: apt-get update, then apt-get install cu-plugins?
[17:51:51] <psha> camunits-plugins-emc :)
[17:52:11] <grommit> thanks, you'd think I would remember that by now!
[17:52:27] <psha> :)
[17:52:40] <grommit> too bad the irc doesn't timestamp messages
[17:52:47] <SWPadnos> it does
[17:52:48] <grommit> is the thing built now?
[17:52:51] <psha> yes
[17:53:00] <grommit> oh, is it an option I don't have turned on?
[17:53:04] <SWPadnos> grommit, what client are you using?
[17:53:06] <SWPadnos> yes
[17:53:15] <grommit> the java client from the web page
[17:53:18] <SWPadnos> chatzilla, xchat, irssi all do
[17:53:23] <SWPadnos> oh, I don't know about that one :)
[17:53:43] <grommit> you'd think the house application would be the best ;-)
[17:54:01] <SWPadnos> it ain't ours
[17:54:06] <SWPadnos> we just borrowed it
[17:55:22] <archivist> if you are on irc 24/7 then using a proper client is best
[17:55:35] <archivist> xchat here
[17:57:08] <IchGuckLive> Hi from the Windy Germany
[17:58:07] <SWPadnos> how windy?
[17:58:15] <SWPadnos> and what part of Germany?
[17:58:28] <SWPadnos> (we're heading there in a couple of weeks, so I'm curious :) )
[18:00:58] <IchGuckLive> Around Ramstein AIRbase we expect up to 90km/h
[18:01:39] <IchGuckLive> in a couple of weeks you will see Snow B)
[18:02:18] <SWPadnos> ok, we'll bring boots
[18:02:23] <SWPadnos> going to Berlin though
[18:02:35] <psha> grommit: working?
[18:04:17] <IchGuckLive> Berlin is 400km away
[18:04:55] <IchGuckLive> there will be nw snow till Januar in Berlin
[18:05:24] <SWPadnos> Ramstein is in Bavaria (near the Black Forest), isn't it?
[18:05:57] <IchGuckLive> not Bavaria but near 45km away from Black Forest
[18:06:17] <SWPadnos> ok. I have a friend who was stationed there for a couple of years
[18:06:28] <SWPadnos> (in the late '80s-early '90s)
[18:07:04] <Jymmm> ham?
[18:07:12] <IchGuckLive> we barried today 3 Pentioneers Soldiers
[18:07:13] <SWPadnos> no, roast beef
[18:07:29] <SWPadnos> IchGuckLive, bummer
[18:07:44] <IchGuckLive> with all the Military ceremony Guns and Trumpet ....
[18:08:43] <Jymmm> Never heard of Black Forest Roast Beeef
[18:09:16] <IchGuckLive> ham
[18:09:42] <Jymmm> Thats what I said, but SWPadnos said roast beef
[18:09:46] <IchGuckLive> Black Forest ham
[18:10:13] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: (It was sorta a joke)
[18:10:45] <IchGuckLive> i did translate bummer but no anwer so what is it
[18:10:55] <SWPadnos> "that's too bad"
[18:10:58] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: XD
[18:11:01] <SWPadnos> or "that's sad" or that kind of thing
[18:11:21] <SWPadnos> I thought I had seen other meats with a Black Forest brand, but I could be mistaken
[18:11:36] <Jymmm> IchGuckLive: "The guy already sold it before I could buy it. Bummer deal dude"
[18:11:44] <IchGuckLive> SWPadnos: you woudt not get this in BERLIN
[18:12:02] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: I wouldn't be surprised, just a marketing thing anyway.
[18:12:04] <SWPadnos> no, I'd just stick with sausages and stuff
[18:12:12] <SWPadnos> or maybe jelly donuts :)
[18:12:29] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: i now what you mean i did 50+ bids this week for a new old notebook
[18:12:30] <Jymmm> no roast beef in Berlin?!
[18:12:32] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, not exactly, apparently: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Forest_ham
[18:13:12] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Oh, like Champaign or Tequilia
[18:13:13] <IchGuckLive> SWPadnos: exactly the stuff we talking about
[18:13:35] <SWPadnos> I'll bet I can get some in Berlin. They'd just import it :)
[18:13:43] <SWPadnos> (sort of)
[18:13:50] <Jymmm> from the black forest?
[18:13:57] <SWPadnos> yes
[18:14:02] <IchGuckLive> this meat on Dark Bread with real butter JAMJAM
[18:14:12] <Jymmm> Is that where Grandmas house is?
[18:14:14] <SWPadnos> from the places near the black forest where it's made anyway
[18:14:22] <SWPadnos> no, that's over the hill and through the woods
[18:14:25] <SWPadnos> not near the forest
[18:14:32] <Jymmm> gotcha
[18:14:59] <motioncontrol> good evening . whath is the procedure correct for calibrate the tool offset the lahe with 16 tool change ?
[18:15:06] <IchGuckLive> SWPadnos: in the SHOP calld KDW they have the orig. one
[18:15:08] <Jymmm> Well, after all the turmoil on Moday, guess what I get to order... http://www.pennstateind.com/store/DC3XX.html
[18:15:28] <Jymmm> I HOPE it fits
[18:15:47] <SWPadnos> oh right. work
[18:15:49] <SWPadnos> damn
[18:15:55] <IchGuckLive> motioncontrol: the logest is the Reference for Z Zero
[18:16:21] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Hey, did you hear what happened?
[18:16:24] <IchGuckLive> motioncontrol: so you got all offsets in the + direction
[18:16:25] <motioncontrol> IchGuckLive, thanks i write step by step my idea please
[18:16:32] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, the cruise ship engine fire?
[18:16:46] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: No, with me on Sunday.
[18:16:58] <SWPadnos> the airbus A380 engine explosion?
[18:17:12] <SWPadnos> oh, no, unless you're talking about the imbalance in your DC blower blades
[18:17:23] <motioncontrol> i have a machine cont in x- in direction the spindle and z - count in direction the spindle. this is ok ?
[18:18:25] <IchGuckLive> motioncontrol: thake the international ISO Right hand Versian and it fits
[18:19:03] <motioncontrol> IchGuckLive, i go in home and have x0 z0
[18:19:07] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: I am. With a LOT of pleading and groveling I was able to return the HF DC for a refund on Tuesday. But the vibration initially was so minor, I'm not sure why it resonated even though I mounted it on rubber mounts.
[18:19:16] <motioncontrol> not have offset g92 apply
[18:19:40] <motioncontrol> move x - and axis x move in spindle direction , is ok ?
[18:19:41] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: 3/4" tall mounts
[18:19:53] <IchGuckLive> motioncontrol: the Mashine Zero Homing is not relevant
[18:20:24] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Did I not use big enough ones or something?
[18:20:42] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, you might have gotten lucky with the resonant frequency of the mounts
[18:20:54] <SWPadnos> maybe 1" or 1/2" ones wouldn't have resonated
[18:21:12] <IchGuckLive> motioncontrol: http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,26/id,1120/lang,english/
[18:22:22] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Ok, I understand. But what is typically the recommended course of action in something like this. Surely ppl don't use an acoustic engineer all the time for such things.
[18:22:54] <SWPadnos> no, but then again a dust collector is probably not expected to be silent in most environments
[18:23:12] <frallzor> hello kids
[18:23:13] <motioncontrol> IchGuckLive, my question is : i will use the g92 zero piece or no ? i use the g92 zero offset on centre the spindle ?
[18:23:54] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: But a lot of ppl make enclosures for them all the time. And the ironic thing is that is was quiet when I placed it in a heavy duty plastic trash can as a test.
[18:24:14] <SWPadnos> sure. no resonance :)
[18:24:23] <IchGuckLive> motioncontrol: sorry thats out of my range im only in milling and there i use only the G54...
[18:24:26] <SWPadnos> like I said, I think you got (un)lucky with the mounts :)
[18:24:45] <frallzor> no hello? =(
[18:24:48] <IchGuckLive> motioncontrol: you call the offset with the tool not the G-code
[18:25:04] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: You think just solid mounting it would have been better in dampening?
[18:25:52] <SWPadnos> it's possible. that would prevent it from vibrating all over the place
[18:26:09] <frallzor> * frallzor cuddles up to SWPadnos
[18:26:12] <SWPadnos> it would transfer the energy to the enclosure though, which might not have had a great result
[18:26:26] <motioncontrol> IchGuckLive, ok.i have my piece on spindle and have diameter 65mm.call m6 t1.and after go with spindle on piece whit x and z. whath is the value i write in table tool offset x and z ?
[18:26:44] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Right, which is what I was trying to accomplish so it's not transfered to the laser
[18:28:11] <IchGuckLive> motioncontrol: http://www.linuxcnc.org/component/option,com_kunena/Itemid,20/func,view/catid,21/id,2653/lang,english/
[18:28:22] <IchGuckLive> motioncontrol: second post
[18:28:47] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Any thing else to try ?
[18:29:19] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: I could care less for noise reduction, but I can't have the vibration transfered to the laer.
[18:29:21] <Jymmm> laser
[18:29:58] <SWPadnos> if there's space for it, you could try stuffing some relatively stiff foam between the blower and the enclosure, still using the rubber mounts
[18:30:26] <SWPadnos> it's like having multiple filters - the rubber mounts absorb some frequencies, the foam absorbs others
[18:31:16] <Jymmm> You're talking noise damping.
[18:31:18] <IchGuckLive> motioncontrol: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?ToolTable
[18:31:51] <SWPadnos> noise is vibration
[18:32:27] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: True, but I'm talking vibration anti-transfer (make sense?)
[18:32:43] <Jymmm> If it vibrates I dont care, I just dont want it transfered
[18:33:10] <SWPadnos> yes. foam and rubber will both compress, which more or less absorbs the vibration before it gets to the enclosure
[18:34:16] <atmega_> get a piezo sensor, invert the output, feed it to some vibra-blocks so they generate an equal opposite phase vibration
[18:35:11] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Alright. I found some recycled rubber mats I can line the enclosure with. They even have the same pattern as acoustic foam http://www.homedepot.com/h_d1/N-5yc1vZ1xgl/R-100671772/h_d2/ProductDisplay?langId=-1&storeId=10051&catalogId=10053
[18:35:47] <SWPadnos> you don't need to line the whole thing. This is more like putting another thing between the blower and the enclosure, alongside the rubber mounts
[18:35:52] <Jymmm> The key I read is it has to be heavy and soft, and those mats are.
[18:36:19] <SWPadnos> well, somewhat heavy, but not near the same stiffness as the rubber mounts, since those don't work
[18:37:00] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Well, if the enclosure is resonating, I'd hope the rubber mats would dampen.
[18:37:41] <Jymmm> I was going to use ceramic wool, till I read it's a carcinogenic.
[18:38:08] <Jymmm> not good in an 800CFM air flow
[18:40:38] <Jymmm> Though it's actually great for sound dampening,
[18:41:18] <Jymmm> It even beats the expensivve stuff across the bandwidth
[18:41:50] <psha> Jymmm: maybe something like mats used in outdoor equipment?
[18:42:16] <Jymmm> psha: elaborate please. outdoor mats???
[18:43:14] <psha> i'm trying to figure out how they are called in english
[18:43:29] <psha> it's some form of polyethilene
[18:44:16] <Jymmm> The key to sound dampening is the material you use needs to be heavy and soft, like lead or neoprne rubber.
[18:44:28] <Jymmm> neoprene
[18:44:50] <psha> it's pretty soft and it's thickness is in range 3-20mm
[18:45:04] <Jymmm> I suspect that since I used MDF (heavy and hard) didn't help any.
[18:45:53] <Jymmm> And when I tested in a heavy duty plastic trashcan (think walled HDPE) it was heavy and soft enough
[18:46:09] <Jymmm> thick walled
[18:48:33] <psha> sorry but i'm not able to find links to something similar to this in english
[18:48:41] <Jymmm> np =)
[18:48:42] <psha> i really don't know what to search for :)
[18:48:50] <IchGuckLive> @all today we started the new Windmill 1KW projekt do yo think 1500USD is a good price for the hole aplication
[18:49:10] <Jymmm> Nope
[18:49:35] <Jymmm> The inverter, controller, and batteries will cost you about that.
[18:49:38] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: your gues
[18:50:02] <Jymmm> do you have any of the parts already?
[18:50:18] <IchGuckLive> yes we run about 16 of the big ones
[18:50:32] <Jymmm> so what parts do you have?
[18:50:55] <Jymmm> or what parts do you still need?
[18:51:11] <IchGuckLive> the Permanentmagnet Generator is 159 home made
[18:51:43] <Jymmm> blades? tower? controller? inverter? batteries?
[18:51:48] <IchGuckLive> no its a hole new projekt that woudt go into a 5.000-10.000 peace production
[18:52:54] <Jymmm> If you make your own controller/inverter/charger you could do it for $1500
[18:53:27] <IchGuckLive> it will be out of china production on ourer circut layout
[18:53:28] <Jymmm> say 300-400 for batteries. and the balance for components
[18:53:58] <Jymmm> how large of a reserve bank of battereies ?
[18:54:19] <Jymmm> and are they common deep cell, or SLA or ???
[18:54:24] <IchGuckLive> i do not now details now
[18:54:41] <Jymmm> Yeah, you need to know all the particulars.
[18:54:49] <IchGuckLive> ej it started this morning in the factory
[18:55:10] <IchGuckLive> the gues is to come out with 1500 USD
[18:55:14] <Jymmm> and is $1500 your cost, or retail cost?
[18:55:38] <IchGuckLive> retail i think
[18:55:49] <Jymmm> does that include batteries too?
[18:56:47] <IchGuckLive> http://www.werner-mertz.de/ueber-wm/das-unternehmen/zeitrafferfilm-frosch-baut-ein-haus/
[18:57:02] <IchGuckLive> look at the picture in the video
[18:57:23] <IchGuckLive> this are windmils 1,5KW 4800USD
[18:57:24] <Jymmm> english link?
[18:57:29] <IchGuckLive> no german
[18:57:41] <Jymmm> give me the english link
[18:58:00] <IchGuckLive> there is no english
[18:58:05] <Jymmm> k
[18:58:36] <IchGuckLive> the videos are only in german
[19:01:18] <Jymmm> Solar and wind. Interesting.
[19:01:55] <IchGuckLive> what is the energy out of corn,shit calld in english
[19:02:17] <Jymmm> Corn fuel?
[19:02:31] <SWPadnos> methane
[19:02:31] <IchGuckLive> no methan
[19:02:34] <Jymmm> bio-fuel?
[19:02:55] <IchGuckLive> no the production to power and head
[19:03:20] <Jymmm> ethanol?
[19:04:17] <IchGuckLive> no if you take a big pot put in corn ,cow-shit -> this gives you methane
[19:04:32] <Jymmm> the funny thing is that a lot of farmers have switched from growing corn to soy now.
[19:04:33] <IchGuckLive> on the farm how is this calld
[19:04:36] <Jymmm> distill
[19:04:50] <Jymmm> fermentation?
[19:05:01] <IchGuckLive> agree
[19:05:11] <grommit> psha: What does "Base name for Circle pins" mean? what am I labelling?
[19:05:55] <Jymmm> http://www.treehugger.com/files/2007/07/green-basics-ethanol.php
[19:06:45] <Jymmm> I wonder of the exhaust smells like popcorn?
[19:06:50] <IchGuckLive> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anaerobic_digestion
[19:06:51] <motioncontrol> IchGuckLive, thanks for info, but the front angle and backangle is important ?
[19:07:15] <IchGuckLive> motioncontrol: NP but i never set up a late sorry
[19:08:01] <IchGuckLive> Jymmm: we harvestet this year 250Acers of corn for this
[19:08:31] <Jymmm> ah
[19:08:46] <IchGuckLive> here in Germany its a big deal
[19:09:32] <IchGuckLive> in my city 450 Euro for "free pwer and Hotwater"
[19:10:12] <IchGuckLive> there are 5Catapillar engines running on 35Tonns of corn per Day
[19:10:41] <IchGuckLive> the water coming in the house has 70°C
[19:11:50] <IchGuckLive> ok i got to Go By its late here
[19:24:02] <grommit> psha
[19:40:33] <psha> grommit: ?
[19:41:20] <psha> grommit: it's for reporting marker position back to axis
[19:41:28] <psha> used in conjuction with marker tracking
[19:42:24] <grommit> here
[19:42:57] <psha> there is code for both tracking single color or 4-point markers
[19:42:59] <grommit> thanks for line spacing, works great
[19:43:03] <psha> but untested and untrasted :)
[19:43:15] <psha> glad to hear it :)
[19:43:31] <psha> camview-tiny is working fine?
[19:43:43] <grommit> seems to be
[19:43:55] <grommit> I have some oddities, but I suspect it is the camera or video in Ubuntu
[19:44:13] <psha> what kind?
[19:44:38] <grommit> when I first boot the machine, the camera is not seen when I launch axis. I have to disconnect the camera, plug back in and relaunch axis then it shows up
[19:45:46] <psha> maybe input_v4l2 have to be fixed to use libv4l
[19:46:06] <grommit> how do I do that?
[19:46:06] <psha> they have some workarounds built into library
[19:46:28] <grommit> I have another camera that doesn't work at all (a cheapo webcam).
[19:46:55] <psha> i have (experimental) input_v4l but i think it's not in good shape :) if you'll give it a try it would be great :)
[19:48:44] <grommit> I am willing.
[19:48:58] <psha> download http://psha.org.ru/p/input_v4l2.so
[19:49:02] <grommit> I can put back what I have if it doesnt work, yes?
[19:49:05] <psha> put it somewhere (not important where)
[19:49:10] <psha> yes
[19:49:17] <psha> kill /usr/lib/camunits/input_v4l2.so
[19:49:36] <psha> you always may get it back by apt-get intall --reinstall libcamunits6
[19:50:28] <psha> but now you need to hide it from camunits so it will eat new one
[19:51:48] <grommit> how do I kill the old
[19:51:54] <psha> rm :)
[19:52:26] <psha> with libv4l i have better results in camera initialization
[19:52:31] <grommit> and put the one i downloaded in /usr/lib/camu...
[19:52:42] <psha> for example
[19:53:02] <psha> it may complain about incompatible libs
[19:53:13] <psha> then i'll build lucid version
[19:53:15] <grommit> then run camview or axis?
[19:53:45] <psha> camview
[19:54:09] <grommit> hmm, no video in input section....
[19:54:27] <psha> check camview output
[19:54:36] <psha> is there any complains about input_v4l.so?
[19:54:45] <psha> something 'undefined symbol'
[19:54:58] <grommit> where? /var/log/?
[19:55:01] <psha> no
[19:55:01] <psha> stdout
[19:55:06] <psha> run camview from terminal
[19:55:18] <grommit> camview Running glut init RTAPI: ERROR: could not open shared memory (errno=2) HAL: ERROR: rtapi init failed Setting up pins for [(null)] Hal data not present Axis 0: (nil) Hal data not present Axis 1: (nil) Hal data not present Axis 2: (nil) Hal data not present Axis 3: (nil) Hal data not present Axis 4: (nil) Hal data not present Axis 5: (nil) Hal data not present Axis 6: (nil) Hal data not present Axis 7: (nil) Hal data not present Axis 8: (nil) ** (camvi
[19:55:30] <psha> anything about input_v4l.so?
[19:55:38] <grommit> nothing new here from before though (as far as I can tell)...
[19:55:42] <grommit> no
[19:55:52] <psha> is input_v4l.so in /usr/lib/camunits?
[19:55:57] <psha> v4l2.so
[19:56:31] <grommit> yep
[19:57:15] <grommit> let me plug/unplug my camera...
[19:57:16] <psha> try ldd /usr/lib/camunits/input_v4l2.so
[19:57:43] <psha> any missing libs?
[19:58:15] <grommit> doh, unplugging, plugging back in did it...
[19:58:35] <psha> bad
[19:59:16] <grommit> var/log/kern.log
[19:59:18] <grommit> ov 10 14:57:18 Gort kernel: [18707.800089] usb 4-1: USB disconnect, address 5 Nov 10 14:57:22 Gort kernel: [18712.360037] usb 1-5: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 10 Nov 10 14:57:23 Gort kernel: [18713.005565] usb 1-5: configuration #1 chosen from 1 choice Nov 10 14:57:23 Gort kernel: [18713.033112] uvcvideo: Found UVC 1.00 device Video Camera (045e:0294) Nov 10 14:57:24 Gort kernel: [18714.032198] uvcvideo: UVC non compliance
[19:59:30] <grommit> hmm that's confusing, perhaps pastebin
[20:00:09] <grommit> http://pastebin.com/YkbspcZn
[20:01:04] <Jymmm> How do you use a 220vac dryer outlet for other 220V devices?
[20:01:16] <atmega_> I unplug my dryer
[20:01:28] <grommit> psha: I need to leave but will be back in about 45 min.
[20:01:29] <Jymmm> is there such a thing as a 220v switch or power strip of sorts?
[20:01:37] <psha> grommit: so let's continue tomorrow
[20:01:43] <grommit> ok
[20:01:47] <psha> i'll test it and create package
[20:01:54] <grommit> will you be asleep or somethin' :-)
[20:02:23] <psha> asleep
[20:02:27] <psha> it's 23:00 here
[20:03:08] <atmega_> 23:00 is time for cigarettes, coffee, cognac, coding
[20:03:22] <grommit> :-)
[20:03:28] <grommit> bbl
[20:04:43] <psha> atmega_: i'm not smoking, don't like coffee and is drinking only once a year :)
[20:04:55] <cradek> don't like coffee!?
[20:04:56] <psha> so only choice for me is coding :)
[20:05:01] <psha> cradek: yes!
[20:05:04] <psha> :)
[20:05:07] <cradek> then you code, I'll drink the coffee for you
[20:05:12] <psha> deal
[20:05:15] <cradek> yay
[20:05:23] <cradek> we each have our individual talents
[20:05:33] <atmega_> heh... I gave up the cigarettes and alcohol... One cup of coffee per day.. I'd give up the coding, but it pays well.
[21:09:53] <atmega_> I came across a CRSPLUS robot programmer pendent type thingie, has 9 double throw momentary switches, two momentary pushbuttons and a pot
[21:10:16] <atmega_> wonder if I could make it do something useful with emc
[21:21:59] <DaViruz> https://www.netauktion.se/auction/product/experimentbank-med-stenskiva/
[21:22:06] <DaViruz> nice, i think i want
[21:22:16] <DaViruz> my own metorlogy lab
[21:22:28] <JT-Work_> JT-Work_ is now known as JT-Work
[21:40:28] <frallzor> its mine all mine!
[23:34:39] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MNkUa8P-1Q&feature=player_embedded#!
[23:40:50] <skunkworks> jeeze - I cannot log into outlook web in IE - but I can in firefox. how stupid is that?
[23:41:52] <atmega_> so, you have 3 problems.
[23:46:11] <andypugh> If I link two pins linked to two functions with a net statement and one function resets the pin, does the signal go low, and reset the other pin?