#emc | Logs for 2010-10-29

[00:03:06] <paragon_ws> OT.. I saw the social network film about facebook . It sure portrays some of the people involved as horrible bunch of human beings! But then they probably are ;-)
[00:03:36] <pcncx> I waso n facebook for a few minutes then I came to my senses
[00:05:01] <theorb> theorb is now known as theorbtwo
[00:06:12] <paragon_ws> I laugh when I think that someone who has absolutly no social skills came up with it. The dough involved is mind boggling!
[00:06:53] <pcncx> it seemed all to ocompetitive to me like pwople were just racking up friends counts
[00:07:15] <pcncx> can anyone really have over 100 friends?
[00:07:28] <pcncx> where would you find the time to take care of bodily functions?
[00:07:35] <paragon_ws> Then I think of the Billions he's made and the laughter stops! ;-)
[00:07:56] <pcncx> well he didn't make any of them off of me I begrudge no one their success
[00:08:51] <Valen> most people "know" about 50 people
[00:09:04] <Valen> as in interract with in a meaningfull way
[00:10:04] <paragon_ws> pcncx: Its not the success I begruge but the power thing. I mean I was reading that facebook is buying companies left right and centre not for there offerings but for the talent.
[00:10:44] <pcncx> paragon_ws so what is so wrong with that? people selling are getting rich talented people are still getting paid
[00:10:55] <paragon_ws> World dominance!
[00:11:43] <paragon_ws> I think it stiffles creativity and competition. Just my angle...
[00:12:09] <pcncx> I donno i just read somewhere that myspace put up new wallpaper
[00:12:49] <Valen> myspace is rearranging its deck chairs
[00:13:22] <pcncx> Valen yeah they way they used to have them was just too stifling
[00:13:40] <Valen> never heard the phrase rearranging the deck chairs on the titanic?
[00:14:04] <pcncx> yes i have somebody's got to do it you know?
[00:14:28] <paragon_ws> Will the band continue to play?
[00:14:47] <pcncx> paragon_ws but of course everyone paid full price didn't they?
[00:16:25] <paragon_ws> Is it still the case that every photo / message that a user posts belongs to facebook even if the account is closed?
[00:16:49] <pcncx> why not they were dumb enough to upload it
[00:18:40] <paragon_ws> How the hell did we survive before it ... lol
[00:19:01] <pcncx> I still don't have a cell phone
[00:19:09] <pcncx> never did don't think I ever will
[00:21:22] <paragon_ws> Cell phones are handy but they have also got there draw backs. In the pre cell phone days people arranged to meet at a place and time. Now people arrange to meet at a place and time then call when your at the place and at the time to say they can't make it!
[00:25:36] <atmega> quit making appointments with flakes
[00:26:50] <paragon_ws> atmega: I now only meet people who don't have a phone ;-)
[00:27:44] <pcncx> paragon_ws well you could always just show up where they are and just surprise them
[00:28:22] <fatpandas1> fatpandas1 is now known as fatpandas
[00:29:19] <pcncx> OK in these directions it says to make a link to /usr/src/linux-headers- called linux then to build rtai
[00:29:31] <pcncx> these directions: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Debian_Lenny_Compile_RTAI
[00:29:59] <pcncx> doesn't rtai need the real kernel source tree?
[00:30:58] <paragon_ws> pcncx: It's been years since I last compiled rtai kernel but from memory I think it did then.
[00:31:35] <pcncx> I've built the RT kernel but now i need to build RTAI itself
[00:32:29] <pcncx> I'll keep looking for other directions on the net i guess to see if I can get a confirmation of this but it seems a bit strange to me
[00:34:56] <pcncx> I' m reading the README.INSTALL file inside rtai-3.7.1 and it makes no sense to me
[00:37:38] <paragon_ws> Does this help https://www.rtai.org/RTAILAB/RTAI-TARGET-HOWTO.txt
[00:38:31] <pcncx> paragon_ws thanks I'll give it a look I hope so I don't want to screw this up here
[00:40:03] <pcncx> paragon_ws yeah these other instruactions don't say anything about making the link
[00:42:43] <paragon_ws> pcncx: What part is it that you are having the issue with with regards to your original link Section 3.?
[00:43:13] <pcncx> 3.3.1. Building the RTAI kernel modules package
[00:43:34] <paragon_ws> are using debian?
[00:43:49] <pcncx> see earlier they said to set the link /usr/src/linux to linux-headers-
[00:43:51] <pcncx> yes i am
[00:44:20] <pcncx> so if i cd to /usr/src/linux I'll really go int othis library headers dir not the kernel source tree
[00:44:34] <pcncx> is that really what I'm supposed to do?
[00:45:52] <paragon_ws> Looks like it.... ln -s linux-headers- linux
[00:46:43] <pcncx> and it'll find rtai without the link?
[00:46:59] <pcncx> like the page you gave me said to make maybe i missed it in these instructions let me reread them
[00:47:05] <Jymmm> jmkasunich: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LvrcdQWzH-8&feature=player_embedded
[00:48:19] <pcncx> maybe I just stink at reading but I'm not seeing it on this page
[00:48:59] <pcncx> I guess it can't hurt for me to make it either the software uses it or it doesn't so whats the harm?
[00:49:23] <paragon_ws> pcncx: do you have a directory linux-headers- linux
[00:49:30] <paragon_ws> pcncx: do you have a directory linux-headers-
[00:49:42] <pcncx> sure with a link to it called linux now
[00:50:22] <paragon_ws> so if you go into /usr/src/linux you should see what was in linux-headers- right?
[00:50:34] <pcncx> so instead of my real kernel source tree being linked in /usr/src i have that linux-headers- dir linked
[00:50:55] <pcncx> yup its not the kernel source tree
[00:51:09] <paragon_ws> No it module source tree.
[00:51:33] <pcncx> its only 39MB the real thing is 586MB
[00:51:59] <pcncx> so I'd say that the real thing has a few things this headers dir doesn't
[00:52:28] <pcncx> but hey I'll give it a shot
[00:52:47] <qq-> pcncx, install rtai-source it will get you /usr/src/rtai-sources.tar.gz , install sources of your kernel (forget about linux-headers- as is wrong ), build your kernel (add rtai patches for your kernel) , and at the end off kernel build , the rtai-module-$your-kernel-name.deb will be build , good luck
[00:52:47] <paragon_ws> pcncx: Sorry do you mean the rtai source module is 39m as opposed to the kernel?
[00:53:08] <pcncx> no that headers dir linux-headers-
[00:53:28] <pcncx> you know the dir linked to linux in /usr/src now
[00:53:34] <pcncx> linux -> linux-headers-
[00:53:58] <qq-> pcncx, make sure to have
[00:54:18] <qq-> > 1 GB space in /usr/src
[00:54:28] <pcncx> oh yeah i got loads of space thanks
[00:54:44] <pcncx> I got 11 GB free in there
[00:55:26] <pcncx> I did make this in /usr/src though rtai -> rtai-3.7.1
[00:55:39] <pcncx> because the second set of instructions said to do it though the first set didn't
[00:56:08] <pcncx> I'm going to give it a shot what do I have to lose?
[00:56:33] <qq-> in lenny rtai is 3.6.1-1 not -3.7.1...
[00:57:00] <paragon_ws> pcncx: According to qq- the linux-headers are not required. Try a find for rtai-module-$your-kernel-name.deb
[00:57:02] <pcncx> yeah this crap didn't work
[00:57:50] <pcncx> I'm going to break that headers link and make one to the real kernel source tree
[00:58:07] <qq-> paragon_ws, that module is build on kernel building , is specific to the kernel
[00:59:59] <pcncx> oh well I guess I'm done with all of this I can't figure it out
[01:00:17] <paragon_ws> cd /usr/src
[01:01:05] <paragon_ws> what does a tar tvf rtai-source.tar.bz2 show?
[01:01:48] <pcncx> a lot of scrolling
[01:02:10] <paragon_ws> does it start with ./linux ?
[01:02:36] <pcncx> no it starts with modules/rtai/rtai-py/ etc etc
[01:03:05] <qq-> paragon_ws, no need to touch rtai-source.tar.bz2 , it is decompressed in /usr/src/module by kernel build
[01:03:07] <pcncx> I have a dir in /usr/src called rtai-3.7.1
[01:03:29] <qq-> pcncx, ^^
[01:04:44] <pcncx> echo "Module $module does not exist"; \
[01:04:57] <pcncx> OK
[01:05:21] <paragon_ws> Try the 3.3.1 section
[01:05:42] <pcncx> I did that long ago
[01:05:54] <pcncx> I'm up to past reboot
[01:06:09] <pcncx> Linux scnc #1 Thu Oct 28 15:05:24 EDT 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[01:06:12] <pcncx> /exec -o uname -a
[01:06:21] <pcncx> I have the RT stuff in the kernel now
[01:06:43] <pcncx> now i need to do the RTAI step
[01:07:00] <paragon_ws> 3.3.3?
[01:07:14] <pcncx> rtai-3.7.1
[01:07:36] <paragon_ws> wiki section 3.3.3?
[01:08:03] <pcncx> oh no things go south for me at 3.3.1.
[01:08:20] <pcncx> at the fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -rtai --added-modules rtai --config menuconfig modules_image command
[01:09:25] <pcncx> I'm good up through reboot
[01:09:30] <pcncx> past that no go
[01:09:31] <paragon_ws> what error do you get (Module cannot be found?)
[01:09:39] <pcncx> echo "Module $module does not exist"; \
[01:09:50] <paragon_ws> OK
[01:09:52] <pcncx> so yes pretty much
[01:11:05] <qq-> ls /usr/src/modules/ , says ?
[01:11:24] <pcncx> ls: cannot access /usr/src/modules/: No such file or directory
[01:11:33] <qq-> make it
[01:11:34] <paragon_ws> So you have cd /usr/src ; tar jxf rtai-source.tar.bz2; cd /usr/src/linux
[01:12:00] <paragon_ws> you need to untar the rtai-source.tar.bz2
[01:12:05] <pcncx> qq- OK
[01:12:07] <qq-> ls /usr/src/modules/ > rtai
[01:12:09] <pcncx> paragon_ws it is
[01:13:06] <pcncx> qq- now i have an empty file in /usr/src called rtai
[01:13:35] <qq-> nah , must be in /usr/src/modules/rtai
[01:13:59] <pcncx> wh nI do that?
[01:14:03] <pcncx> when I do that?
[01:14:08] <pcncx> OK
[01:14:09] <qq-> now
[01:14:32] <paragon_ws> pcncx: you said that tar tvf jxf rtai-source.tar.bz2 displayed modules/rtai/rtai-py/ etc etc . If you untared it in /usr/src you should have something in /usr/src/modules
[01:15:11] <pcncx> paragon_ws OK let me del that dir and try it again
[01:16:00] <paragon_ws> ok ... make sure your in /usr/src when you run the tar command.
[01:16:04] <qq-> cd /usr/src/modules/rtai ; tar jxf ../../rtai-source.tar.bz2
[01:16:34] <qq-> then ls /usr/src/modules/rtai/ , says ?
[01:17:11] <pcncx> now hold on here I have a few rtai archives here
[01:17:38] <pcncx> I have rtai-source.tar.bz2 but i also have rtai-source_3.7.1-2_i386.deb rtai_3.7.1.orig.tar.gz and rtai_3.7.1-2.diff.gz
[01:17:54] <pcncx> so I'm thinking that i did something special before I remember with that dif file
[01:18:01] <qq-> ok , i was wrong >>>> cd /usr/src/modules/rtai ; tar jxf ../../rtai-source.tar.bz2
[01:18:19] <qq-> do it in /usr/src/ only
[01:18:50] <pcncx> /usr/src/modules/rtai is an empty file i can't cd to a file
[01:19:32] <paragon_ws> pcncx: do this... cd /usr/src
[01:19:44] <pcncx> oh I'm in /usr/src
[01:19:49] <paragon_ws> then tar jxf rtai-source.tar.bz2
[01:19:51] <qq-> pcncx, and there tar jxf rtai-source.tar.bz2
[01:20:06] <pcncx> paragon_ws thing is that is the raw archive i had to patch it and stuff
[01:20:35] <paragon_ws> OH ok... what is the one you were left with?
[01:21:01] <pcncx> oh wait maybe not
[01:21:02] <paragon_ws> ls -lart will show the last file updated
[01:21:18] <paragon_ws> at the bottom of list
[01:21:26] <pcncx> that'd be the modules dir that qq- had me make
[01:21:47] <paragon_ws> second from bottom
[01:22:21] <qq-> ok, now > ls /usr/src/modules/rtai/ , says ?
[01:22:27] <paragon_ws> pcncx: I ma talking about these files ls -lart which one is last? I have rtai-source.tar.bz2 but i also have rtai-source_3.7.1-2_i386.deb rtai_3.7.1.orig.tar.gz and rtai_3.7.1-2.diff.gz
[01:23:45] <pcncx> wait a minute
[01:23:57] <qq-> paragon_ws, those are debian file when you build a debian package from source , so non important for now
[01:24:13] <qq-> sure exceptr tai-source.tar.bz2
[01:24:33] <pcncx> I unballed that thing lets see if it works now
[01:24:35] <pcncx> nope
[01:24:53] <pcncx> skip it I'm done for tonight thinks for all your help
[01:25:10] <pcncx> I'll erase this machine and give it another shot tomorrow sometime
[01:25:14] <paragon_ws> what was the last file from these when executing a ls -lart rtai-source.tar.bz2 rtai_3.7.1.orig.tar.gz rtai_3.7.1-2.diff.gz
[01:25:29] <pcncx> it is obviously botched up somehow
[01:25:47] <paragon_ws> pcncx: I think your nearly there!
[01:26:02] <qq-> he is !
[01:26:02] <paragon_ws> what error did you get?
[01:26:08] <pcncx> I did too a half an hour ago I'm moving away fro mthat now though
[01:26:17] <pcncx> same as i did echo "Module $module does not exist"; \
[01:27:02] <paragon_ws> have you done the ls -lart with regards to the 3 tar files above?
[01:27:55] <paragon_ws> do you have anything in /usr/src/modules ?
[01:28:03] <pcncx> no i wiped that out
[01:28:26] <qq-> why ?
[01:28:27] <pcncx> it should have made it when I did this fakeroot
[01:28:35] <pcncx> because i never made it the last time
[01:28:39] <pcncx> and it all worked then
[01:29:05] <pcncx> I folled all of these instructions last week and EMC worked
[01:29:35] <pcncx> I'll just wipe this all out save my kernel config and run through it one more time I'm sure it'll be OK
[01:30:12] <paragon_ws> pcncx: Do this exactly buddy...
[01:30:14] <pcncx> or maybe I'll take up golf there are a lot of nice courses around me
[01:31:11] <pcncx> the instructions work I've done them I just missed something somewhere on them
[01:31:15] <qq-> ok, done
[01:31:28] <paragon_ws> cd /usr/src
[01:31:29] <paragon_ws> rm linux
[01:31:31] <paragon_ws> ln -s linux-headers- linux
[01:31:32] <paragon_ws> cd /usr/src
[01:31:34] <paragon_ws> tar jxf rtai-source.tar.bz2
[01:31:37] <paragon_ws> cd /usr/src/linux
[01:31:38] <paragon_ws> fakeroot make-kpkg --append-to-version -rtai --added-modules rtai --config menuconfig modules_image
[01:32:12] <pcncx> you mean like this? http://pastebin.com/pjADtkGW
[01:32:24] <pcncx> yeah I've tried that three times already
[01:32:43] <pcncx> and the third time wasn't a charm for me!
[01:34:22] <pcncx> they should change this on the page "Boot with the new RTAI kernel. " because i think it is just the new RT kernel
[01:34:35] <paragon_ws> did you delete the modules dir?
[01:34:42] <pcncx> it makes things more confusing than they already are
[01:34:44] <paragon_ws> i cant see it!
[01:34:54] <pcncx> the pastebin?
[01:35:07] <paragon_ws> yes sorry
[01:35:26] <pcncx> well that is the capper then isn't it pastebin isn't even working for me
[01:35:32] <qq-> http://pastebin.com/pjADtkGW
[01:35:42] <pcncx> though i was able to load the page in another browser window
[01:36:22] <paragon_ws> iv'e got the pastebin ok but I cant see a modules directory in the list
[01:36:28] <pcncx> some days you can only get so far you know?
[01:36:37] <pcncx> no i said i blew i away
[01:36:58] <pcncx> I shouldn't have to need to make it the scripts should
[01:37:43] <paragon_ws> ok in the /usr/src directory tar jxf rtai-source.tar.bz2
[01:37:43] <pcncx> tomorrow this whole machine gonna see the mkfs -ext2
[01:37:49] <paragon_ws> then pastebin
[01:37:55] <paragon_ws> lol
[01:37:56] <pcncx> if I don't do it tonight
[01:38:30] <pcncx> nah if i screw this stuff up somewhere it doesn't work that is what happened the last time
[01:38:45] <pcncx> and i never completely straightened it out
[01:39:12] <pcncx> /home is on another partition so not such a huge loss pretty bad but not super huge
[01:39:37] <pcncx> I'll keep my kernel config and my sources.list
[01:39:37] <paragon_ws> no worries...
[01:40:14] <pcncx> I found a sweet debian mirror earlier i get great speed out of
[01:40:48] <paragon_ws> download mirror?
[01:40:57] <skinnypup> apt-mirror
[01:40:59] <pcncx> I just spent to much time jerking around configuring the kernel this time around and messed up the steps in the process
[01:41:12] <pcncx> yeah I tried that it gave me a crappola mirror
[01:41:22] <pcncx> some rig in texas could barely push 200 kb/s
[01:42:14] <paragon_ws> Im on a us robotics 2800bps ;-)
[01:42:30] <paragon_ws> Oh the dayyyyyssss
[01:42:30] <pcncx> I'm on slow fios
[01:42:42] <pcncx> which is still OK
[01:42:49] <pcncx> but it is slow for fiber
[01:43:00] <pcncx> I get maybe 2 MB/s
[01:43:12] <paragon_ws> Ntlworld 50M sec
[01:43:20] <Valen> i hate you all
[01:43:26] <Valen> I get ~400kbyte/sec
[01:43:26] <skinnypup> x2
[01:44:15] <qq-> Valen, hate you ISP
[01:44:21] <qq-> your*
[01:44:24] <pcncx> all these speed test sites need flash
[01:44:51] <paragon_ws> lol... I got it for the same price as the 20M I was on as I complained that I had been with them for 7 years ladadada... and they were offering the 50 to new customers cheaper than I was paying... Or im leaving... ;-)
[01:44:59] <pcncx> what the hell what did everyone do before flash?
[01:45:36] <paragon_ws> Gordon!
[01:47:21] <Valen> qq i'm on ADSL and sync at ~8mbit
[01:48:02] <qq-> okey , ssry
[01:48:31] <pcncx> oh well you can't test your network speed without flash today I guess
[01:48:43] <Valen> pcncx: wget
[01:49:04] <pcncx> most sites won't go over 500 kb/s
[01:49:18] <Valen> get domething from your isp's mirrror
[01:50:21] <pcncx> what the hell is wrong with all of these people?
[01:50:37] <paragon_ws> I just checked http://www.giganews.com/performance.html and that flash too!
[01:51:15] <pcncx> ha ha I smoked them all
[01:51:19] <pcncx> http://performance.toast.net/results.asp?testtype=4&loadtime=1.214
[01:51:33] <pcncx> I guess I'm 5MB/s
[01:52:30] <pcncx> still for fiber we got crap connection here though it does seem to have improved since i last checked it out
[01:53:02] <pcncx> Loaded 754,928 bytes in 1.214 seconds from 1&1 server.
[01:53:34] <paragon_ws> 4975Kb Loaded 754,928 bytes in 1.214 seconds from TOAST.net II server
[01:53:58] <pcncx> hmmm what are the odds we bot hgot the same speed>
[01:54:21] <pcncx> maybe this test is rigged?
[01:54:34] <paragon_ws> I ran it from a virtual machine and my host and got the same also.
[01:55:04] <pcncx> did you run it from here? http://performance.toast.net/default.asp
[01:55:19] <pcncx> because the other page was my results
[01:56:02] <paragon_ws> duh thatle be why then... lol
[01:56:52] <pcncx> ah that is more like it I only got 1262 kb/s i thought i was under 2 MB/s
[01:57:07] <pcncx> either that or this comp is just so dog slow loading an image in a browser
[01:58:02] <paragon_ws> Loaded 754,928 bytes in 3.422 seconds from 1&1 server. VM
[01:58:04] <paragon_ws> Loaded 754,928 bytes in 2.681 seconds from 1&1 server. Host
[01:59:13] <pcncx> I think that last test was so slow because my system couldn't handle the image in the browser
[01:59:54] <paragon_ws> I ma getting like 1658Kb on a 50mb cable... :-(
[02:02:17] <paragon_ws> http://www.giganews.com/performance.html 16390Kbps
[02:03:00] <paragon_ws> Oh you don't have flash do you?
[02:03:10] <pcncx> nope
[02:04:39] <paragon_ws> The VM was hogging up memory getting 3149Kb now :-)
[02:08:38] <pcncx> man i could just about line up 9 out of 10 webmasters on the Internet today and brainpan them all and sleep like a baby afterwards you know?
[02:09:04] <paragon_ws> lol
[02:09:17] <pcncx> the scuzballs say one thing on google yo ugo to their page and it is a new story
[02:09:39] <pcncx> its like here have a plate of spam!
[02:10:18] <paragon_ws> yeah it's only going to get worse too...
[02:12:22] <pcncx> Fetched 820kB in 1s (436kB/s)
[02:12:32] <pcncx> it didn't even have enough time to warm up
[02:13:41] <pcncx> apt-get install fortune
[02:14:21] <paragon_ws> i thought the base period max jitter was what was used for the base_period?
[02:15:22] <paragon_ws> but in stepper config I put in 5000 and it says min base period:13500 but the ini has a base-period of 100000
[02:15:58] <paragon_ws> that is the ini that the stepper config program right out! ??
[02:16:14] <pcncx> I don't know I use the gui config
[02:16:24] <pcncx> least i did when I ran disc EMC2
[02:16:41] <paragon_ws> for steppers?
[02:16:45] <pcncx> yes
[02:17:06] <paragon_ws> the one in the cnc drop down?
[02:17:20] <pcncx> I got it off the gnome menu iirc
[02:17:41] <paragon_ws> Yep thats the same one I am using.
[02:18:06] <pcncx> you have to pick the correct config when you start as well
[02:18:19] <pcncx> I screwed that up initially
[02:19:21] <paragon_ws> The first screen asks for max jitter at the bottom but it after writing the file out it the ini has a base_period of 100000 for a max jitter of 5000. seems a bit excessive.
[02:20:03] <pcncx> that is kooky
[02:20:17] <pcncx> I never got into checking out the actual ini files
[02:20:35] <pcncx> never got that far along with it i can't stand Ubuntu
[02:21:22] <paragon_ws> It's a lot easier than the EMC1 I can tell you ;-)
[02:21:50] <pcncx> I ran BDI long long ago
[02:22:22] <pcncx> when all there was was like that blue front end
[02:22:33] <pcncx> back in 2001
[02:22:38] <paragon_ws> tk-emc
[02:23:01] <pcncx> but my motor driver project didn't go so hot and i let it all go for a bit
[02:23:32] <pcncx> I had issues building a power supply that'd drive more than one stepper
[02:23:37] <paragon_ws> I duck in and out depending on time and wot not.
[02:23:53] <pcncx> I built a mad power supply though
[02:24:15] <pcncx> I donno how many amps it can deliver I know it can push over 300 watts at 24 volts though
[02:24:32] <pcncx> I never load tested it anymore than that i figured that was enough
[02:24:53] <paragon_ws> i've got too many projects that I jump into and out of. One of my favs is the induction heater project
[02:25:00] <paragon_ws> nice!
[02:25:59] <pcncx> http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/6414/pict0576h.jpg
[02:26:32] <pcncx> well it is doing 300 watts at almost 14 volts in that pic and it was nothing to it wasn't even getting warm
[02:27:08] <pcncx> each bulb there is drawing about 2 amps
[02:27:15] <paragon_ws> Got the induction heater working with a pic chip to scan the for and then lock onto the resonant frequency it monitors the voltage out from a 4046 PLL and then feed in a correction voltage to the PLL VCO.
[02:27:34] <DaViruz> pcncx = pfred1?
[02:27:39] <pcncx> yeah I'm into current projects anymore
[02:27:48] <paragon_ws> Like it :-)
[02:27:49] <pcncx> DaViruz hmmm?
[02:27:58] <DaViruz> ok, my mistake
[02:28:03] <DaViruz> thought you sounded familiar
[02:28:13] <pcncx> DaViruz oh what it is me I just didn't move my account to this machine
[02:28:31] <pcncx> the password and all couldn't be bothered you know
[02:29:31] <pcncx> here let me double log
[02:30:49] <pfred1> this machine even has flash
[02:30:51] <paragon_ws> This guy is way ahead of my game ... http://www.mindchallenger.com/inductionheater/induction2.html
[02:31:05] <DaViruz> you can call yourself whatever you want i just wanted to satisfy my curiosity :)
[02:31:20] <pfred1> I'm done with that other machine until I redo it
[02:31:37] <pfred1> its hours are numbered
[02:32:12] <pfred1> paragon_ws here is my last EMC2 setup: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgbeyNNBZ68
[02:32:25] <pfred1> that whole computer bit the dust
[02:32:37] <pfred1> caps blew up the mobo unrelated to EMC2
[02:33:25] <paragon_ws> pfred1: Nice Job :-)
[02:33:45] <pfred1> paragon_ws thanks
[02:35:23] <pfred1> paragon_ws the video is crappy took it with a camera here is a picture of it: http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/8343/tb6560board.jpg
[02:36:47] <pfred1> where is my whacky BOB?
[02:37:30] <paragon_ws> Like it... BTW what are those probes called the ones with the hook on the end? I need to get some.
[02:39:33] <paragon_ws> right I've gotta hit the sack guys ... CU...
[02:39:36] <pfred1> microclips
[02:40:29] <paragon_ws> Arrr microclips .... Thanks pfred1 ... Catch you all on the morrow.
[02:40:59] <pfred1> sure NP
[02:41:34] <pfred1> miama or ez-hook are the best
[02:42:15] <pfred1> though EZ-hooks aren't too easy on the wallet usually
[03:16:52] <cradek> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dJFXcgObUlk
[03:23:10] <Jymmm> I found a new use for EMC... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INsSU8Jnx-4&feature=player_embedded#!
[03:38:56] <cradek> Jymmm: hal and ladder maybe...
[04:15:28] <Jymmm> cradek: that's what I was thinking... 112 channels
[04:48:05] <elmo40> L84Supper: yes, 3.8M nS
[04:49:57] <elmo40> this is nice. would like to know more about how it generates the XML file and auto-rotates the work place for the angle of the fixture... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NwRYEo5YtCc
[05:16:49] <the_wench> Connor: KimK_ said (sent via !later) Re: routing the rounded wood piece, couldn't you use a ball-nose cutter and rastering, as in the "Tux" example at nc_files/examples/3D_Chips.ngc ?
[13:23:08] <skunkworks> cradek: neat video
[13:38:24] <cradek> focus!!!
[13:38:43] <cradek> anyway, it's working, yay!
[18:02:50] <ChanServ> [#emc] "This is the #emc channel - talk related to the Enhanced Machine Controller and general machining. Website: http://www.linuxcnc.org/, wiki at http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/"
[21:20:45] <willburrrr2003> what kind of devices work for my limits of travel, normal micro switches, optical sensors, water tiight switches...etc?
[21:21:21] <willburrrr2003> they will be mounted on an enco mini-lathe from harbor freight that I am cnc'ing
[21:22:09] <Jymmm> Do you have to primer MDF to paint it?
[21:23:39] <willburrrr2003> or would magnetic switch be a better option considering chips(could interfere with optical or even microswitches) and same problem with coolant interfeering with optical, and possibly shorting micro switches?
[21:34:19] <JT-Hardinge> willburrrr2003: I used normal micro switches on my plasma cutter
[21:42:54] <awallin> todays CAM-ramblings: http://www.anderswallin.net/2010/10/adaptive-sampling-drop-cutter/
[21:53:13] <pcncx> Done Done Done
[21:54:03] <pcncx> * pcncx sings the Dragnet theme song ... Done da Done Done
[21:54:32] <willburrrr2003> thanks for your input JT , my concern with normal micro switches for my limits is that I will have coolant spraying all over at some point and I worry they will short... am I being over-cautious?
[21:54:58] <pcncx> willburrrr2003 next time you're in a car wash look around for open frame motors :)
[21:55:15] <pcncx> willburrrr2003 don't be too surprised if you see a few too!
[21:55:36] <willburrrr2003> hehe got the motors covered, I have nema rated steppers ;)
[21:55:58] <pcncx> yeah but they're running 3 phase 208 V
[21:56:52] <willburrrr2003> BTW car washes are scary...the things the jury rigged at my buddy's place ....never took my car there once I saw the things they did...
[21:56:56] <pcncx> you could always put your switches into plastic bags
[21:57:17] <pcncx> it'd offer them some protection
[21:57:19] <willburrrr2003> thought about the plastic bags, it is an option....
[21:57:24] <JT-Hardinge> willburrrr2003: no, in that case I would use proximity switches that are water proof
[21:57:25] <pcncx> though I'm sure a chip could rip the bag
[21:57:51] <willburrrr2003> I was considering magnetic switches though, and wouldn't have to worry about a bag then
[21:58:03] <pcncx> yeah reed switches
[21:58:17] <pcncx> though I'm not so sure how position accurate they are
[21:58:37] <willburrrr2003> ok guys, some good thoughts there :)
[21:58:59] <pcncx> how accurate are hall effects in linear applications?
[21:59:31] <willburrrr2003> should hopefully have my control panel wired this weekend, and start getting movement out of my lathe...this weekend looks to be exciting :D
[21:59:34] <pcncx> though i guess really you'd want to go with a knife and emitter detector pairs
[22:00:11] <pcncx> I got a bunch here but initially I'm going the easy micro switch route myself
[22:00:55] <pcncx> down the road when I'm in the mood to tackle another electronics project I'll mess around with the emitter detector pairs I have
[22:01:27] <pcncx> something tells me its not just a simple matter of wire them up to the barrier block and call for a Miller
[22:02:05] <JT-Hardinge> willburrrr2003: if you use magnet switches just imagine what happens the first time you cut some ferrous material in your lathe...
[22:02:26] <pcncx> yeah i didn't think about that
[22:02:29] <JT-Hardinge> a prox does not suffer from that issue when chips are about
[22:02:41] <pcncx> they wold attract quite the shaggy chip beard wouldn't they?
[22:03:20] <pcncx> you could sort of put a shield over it to deflect most swarf
[22:04:56] <pcncx> instead of permanent magnets you could use coils with a series switch just turn them off to clear them
[22:05:36] <pcncx> but I still don't think you can get positive positioning out of reed switches
[22:06:27] <pcncx> man talk about switch bounce!
[22:08:22] <pcncx> I bet microswitches in balloons would hold up for a fair amount of time get those water balloon balloons they're thick rubber
[22:08:53] <pcncx> last pack I bought I think I got at the 7 11 but it was summer time
[22:09:22] <pcncx> they make awseome acetylene bombs!
[22:10:02] <pcncx> they go off like a half a stick
[22:13:55] <pcncx> hey has anyone here ever had the Edit program with the Rox-Filer suite crash on them when running EMC2?
[22:15:37] <pcncx> Sig 11 fatal io error (Resource temporarily unavailable) on X server "0:0" after 783509 requests (783506 known processed) with 0 events remaining.
[22:24:00] <AllenH> Question ..... I have upgraded to EMC2.4.5 and now all my subs don't work anymore.... it cannot open file <200> where 200 is the sub routine in the prgram... can anyone comment
[22:25:51] <micges> please pastebin.com your gcode file
[22:26:18] <AllenH> Oh... I will have to create a small program to do that
[22:26:34] <pcncx> what is wrong with 200?
[22:26:45] <cradek> from what version did you upgrade to 2.4.5?
[22:26:58] <AllenH> umm... 2.3.3 I think it was
[22:28:05] <cradek> ok, so across a major version
[22:28:17] <AllenH> Yes
[22:28:20] <cradek> exactly what do you type and what error do you get?
[22:28:43] <AllenH> It errors on the line O100 call
[22:29:12] <AllenH> With "Unable to Open file <100>
[22:29:47] <AllenH> It is not case sensitive
[22:30:59] <pcncx> where is the changelog for EMC2? I want to know if i should upgrade from 2.4.4 or not :)
[22:31:01] <cradek> what's the filename for o100?
[22:31:26] <AllenH> O100 is within the file it is loading
[22:31:47] <pcncx> hey how come 2.4.5 isn't even on the website?
[22:31:48] <cradek> oh it's not in a separate file?
[22:31:51] <AllenH> no
[22:32:00] <AllenH> O100 call
[22:32:03] <AllenH> M2
[22:32:08] <AllenH> O100 sub
[22:32:12] <AllenH> some commands
[22:32:16] <AllenH> O100 endsub
[22:32:51] <cradek> if you put the sub/endsub above the call (before M2) does it work?
[22:32:58] <JT-Hardinge> doesn't the sub have to be before the call?
[22:33:04] <AllenH> Hmm, will try that
[22:33:06] <cradek> I don't think that behavior changed...?
[22:33:13] <cradek> pretty sure when it hits M2, it stops
[22:33:17] <AllenH> Certainly seems to have :)
[22:33:18] <willburrrr2003> wow JT, I did not consider the magnetic attraction to the chips....can't believe that....must be the end of a long week here hehe ;)
[22:34:54] <AllenH> Ahhhh, it is now sensitive to the position in the file and has to be decalred before it is called
[22:36:04] <AllenH> It never used to be like that
[22:37:14] <AllenH> Thanks for the help though Cradek
[22:38:50] <AllenH> Oh and JT
[22:39:58] <pcncx> * pcncx decides to upgrade
[22:40:57] <micges> pcncx: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Released
[22:41:14] <pcncx> micges I've already unpacked the tarball but thanks :)
[22:41:30] <micges> heh
[22:41:53] <pcncx> actually I read this and was compelled: http://sourceforge.net/projects/emc/files/emc2/2.4.x/emc2_2.4.4/emc2_2.4.4.releasenotes/view
[22:42:23] <pcncx> is it out of date?
[22:48:13] <pcncx> hey does this matter? checking for rtai... not found
[22:48:31] <pcncx> it didn't seem to the last time I built EMC but I figured I'd ask this time around
[22:53:02] <pcncx> really it looks like configure misses a lot of rtai maybe I don't have these things?
[22:53:48] <pcncx> the only thing it does find is rtai_sched... /usr/realtime/modules/rtai_sched.ko
[22:54:34] <micges> uname -r
[22:54:45] <pcncx>
[22:55:13] <pcncx> they're not in that dir I don't think
[22:55:53] <pcncx> micges 2.4.4 gave me the same stuff but it seems to work
[22:56:54] <pcncx> and when I did a net search for it I found a page on linuxcnc where it happened to someone else and it worked for them too
[22:57:28] <pcncx> http://www.linuxcnc.org/compile_farm//emc2.2branch_slot2_log.txt
[22:58:09] <pcncx> which was why i said the heck with it earlier it worked for them and just went ahead and built it
[23:00:34] <micges> good night
[23:05:29] <Mendelbuild> Mendelbuild is now known as mendelnight
[23:08:07] <SWPadnos> pcncx, that log you linked to is from a build of EMC2 that was done in February f last year, on the oldest version of Ubuntu that was ever used for EMC2
[23:08:22] <SWPadnos> so I wouldn't count it as relevant at this point
[23:08:39] <pcncx> SWPadnos well it worked for them and it worked for me too
[23:08:58] <SWPadnos> what is "it"?
[23:09:03] <SWPadnos> the compile?
[23:09:04] <pcncx> EMC2
[23:09:18] <pcncx> the whole package
[23:09:26] <pcncx> though this build just failed
[23:09:28] <SWPadnos> ok, good
[23:09:41] <pcncx> looks like that sed deal to me
[23:09:50] <SWPadnos> it looked as though you needed help or something, but I hadn't read the last line you wrote ;)
[23:10:05] <pcncx> error: implicit declaration of function ‘pci_find_device’
[23:10:12] <pcncx> I have to go sed that
[23:13:11] <pcncx> what is up with that pci_find_device in hal/drivers anyways?
[23:13:38] <SWPadnos> there are PCI cards with HAL drivers ...
[23:14:02] <pcncx> but why do i have to sed -i 's/pci_find_device/pci_get_device/g' *.c there?
[23:14:37] <SWPadnos> um. you shouldn't have to do that, unless you're building on a kernel that no longer has pci_find_device
[23:14:50] <SWPadnos> in which case you probably have to make other changes as well (I'm not sure)
[23:14:55] <pcncx> oh is that why
[23:15:18] <pcncx> I don't know the other one seemed to work
[23:21:44] <pcncx> * pcncx gets ready to test drive his shiny new emc2-2.4.5!
[23:23:08] <pcncx> woooo ... EMC2/AXIS version 2.4.5
[23:23:36] <pcncx> there is nothing quite like that new software smell now is there?
[23:26:51] <pcncx> is gcode supposed to have asian symbols in it?
[23:27:00] <SWPadnos> nope :)
[23:27:13] <pcncx> yeah i didn't think it did I wonder why mine does?
[23:34:10] <pcncx> this is what it looks like a screenshot: http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/369/funnyl.png
[23:35:37] <pcncx> it looks like there is a little man standing in the gcode