#emc | Logs for 2010-05-04

[00:55:25] <normaldotcom> I'm trying to configure emc2 to drive my pwm motor controllers. Some people in here suggested that I use scale and deadzone to accomodate the duty cycle ranges of my motor, but I'm not sure where to start. Here's the basic ranges of my controller: http://dpaste.com/190542/
[01:36:26] <jt-plasma> normaldotcom: you still around?
[01:36:33] <normaldotcom> yup
[01:36:42] <pfred1> liez!
[01:37:33] <jt-plasma> normaldotcom: I would start by reading this short chapter to get familiar with HAL http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//hal_basic_hal.html
[01:38:37] <jt-plasma> normaldotcom: is this a spindle drive?
[01:39:04] <normaldotcom> no, this is for my x/y
[01:40:11] <normaldotcom> I guess I'm just not really sure what argument pwmgen.update() takes
[01:40:17] <jt-plasma> sorry that is above my guesspertice level and the lightning is getting too close for me to stay on line
[01:40:36] <normaldotcom> lolk
[01:41:02] <jt-plasma> that is attached to a thread and each cycle of the thread it gets called
[01:41:17] <jt-plasma> * jt-plasma shuts down now and cowers into the house
[02:09:14] <Dave911_> Dave911_ is now known as Dave911
[02:40:03] <Calfin> ?
[02:59:16] <renesis> guys it compiled and installed every module in the world but now when it boots its like CANT FIND I810 WTF DO I DO [hit run in low res mode]
[02:59:38] <renesis> sucks =(
[03:00:34] <renesis> but its still running at 1280x1024 and getting the same kind of latency numbers \o/ ...just kinda laggy about shovin windows around
[04:25:39] <jimbo_> jimbo_ is now known as jimbo
[05:38:01] <elmo40> picked up a Samsung SyncMaster 216BW. On the side of the road! looks like the capacitors are blown ;) Simple repair job. Too bad it doesn't do 1080, though
[05:38:08] <elmo40> 21.6" is rather large!
[05:53:57] <Dave911> renesis: What kind of board are you using .... an Intel D510?
[06:16:50] <Guest77952> Guest77952 is now known as apostrophe
[06:18:53] <renesis> dave911: yeah
[06:19:05] <renesis> prob okay for cnc
[06:19:40] <renesis> it doesnt do it with xubuntu out of the box, i think just since the new kernel
[06:20:04] <renesis> might be something simple, too tired to mess with it now tho
[06:21:18] <Eric_K> Eric_K is now known as EricKeller
[06:22:15] <EricKeller> just upgraded ubuntu to the newest LTS version, and the little widgets at the top of every window are on the wrong side
[06:24:23] <awallin> EricKeller: system/preferences/appearance
[06:26:05] <EricKeller> the dialog shows them all on the right
[06:29:22] <renesis> ha
[06:29:26] <EricKeller> I guess I shouldn't complain about something like this, I just spent many, many hours trying to fix a bug on my mother-in-law's computer. HP printer software causes it, and they've known since at least 2007
[06:44:07] <elmo40> no rush ;)
[06:44:32] <EricKeller> I'm amused now that I know what the problem is
[06:44:38] <EricKeller> how is HP like the mafia?
[06:44:48] <EricKeller> they don't take no for an answer
[06:45:17] <EricKeller> the software asks to open a port, windows firewall says no, software asks again
[06:45:21] <EricKeller> in a tight loop
[09:34:24] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[11:05:53] <piasdom> is there a command to reconnect to the network after disconnecting the cable?
[11:06:37] <piasdom> i changed switch and XP had NP, i had to restart ubunto
[11:36:02] <elmo40> piasdom: there is a Network button in the menu...
[11:36:37] <piasdom> network tools ?
[11:47:48] <piasdom> anyone know a 8.04 channel ?
[11:51:50] <jthornton> whats up?
[11:55:32] <piasdom> hi jt; just wanted to know how to restart the network at the command prompt
[11:55:50] <SWPadnos> it should automatically reconnect
[11:56:09] <piasdom> now i have other questions and wanted to take it to ubuntu forum
[11:56:21] <jthornton> ok
[11:56:22] <SWPadnos> you can check the status with ifconfig
[11:56:41] <SWPadnos> you can disconnect and reconnect with "ofconfig eth0 down up"
[11:56:43] <SWPadnos> err
[11:56:44] <piasdom> SWPadnos; i did..no info
[11:56:45] <SWPadnos> ifconfig
[11:56:57] <jthornton> you can right click on the two computers in the upper right corner to see the properties too
[11:56:58] <SWPadnos> if you run ifconfig and there's no info, you have other problems :)
[11:57:18] <Jymmm> lol
[11:57:18] <jthornton> sometimes lol
[11:57:41] <piasdom> i retarted and it worked
[11:57:42] <jthornton> I meant sometimes you can right click on the computers
[11:57:48] <piasdom> just wanted the command
[11:58:14] <piasdom> an how do remove a host name ?
[11:58:29] <SWPadnos> what do you mean?
[11:58:38] <SWPadnos> change the name of the computer?
[11:58:58] <piasdom> under system/admin/network
[11:59:47] <piasdom> when i do an upgrade it says can't find hostname, it still upgrades, but i want to fix that
[12:00:42] <SWPadnos> strange
[12:00:48] <piasdom> sorry .> error mesg unable to resolve host Network
[12:00:57] <SWPadnos> there should be a file called /etc/hostname, I think
[12:01:00] <SWPadnos> or /etc/host
[12:01:07] <piasdom> i'll look
[12:01:13] <SWPadnos> not /etc/hosts, which is a list of other computers and their IP addresses
[12:01:36] <SWPadnos> oh hmm.
[12:01:47] <SWPadnos> host network is different
[12:01:52] <SWPadnos> you may want to ask in #ubuntu
[12:10:13] <piasdom> SWPadnos; Thanks
[12:10:21] <SWPadnos> sure
[12:32:54] <elmo40> woot, another heeks update coming :)
[12:34:18] <morficmobile> /etc/resolv.conf
[12:34:35] <morficmobile> piasdom: ^
[12:35:48] <piasdom> morficmobile; yes ?
[12:36:22] <piasdom> morficmobile; i see it... thanks
[12:37:09] <morficmobile> nameserver <-- should have those pointing at your isp's nameservers
[12:37:15] <morficmobile> that one is google's
[12:55:06] <piasdom> morficmobile; it shows two ip address; nameserver and 98
[12:56:27] <morficmobile> usually has a primary and secondary, yes
[12:57:59] <morficmobile> does your computer have an IP? does it have a default route? does it have nameservers? <-- i usually check in that order
[13:04:18] <piasdom> just the two nameserver
[13:05:45] <morficmobile> i mean the machine, not the file, sorry
[13:06:09] <morficmobile> ifconfig <-- gets you ip, route <--- shows you route, one of which is default gw,
[13:06:42] <morficmobile> if resolv.conf is ok, you have an IP and a default gateway (gw) it's good
[13:09:13] <piasdom> ifconfig looks good...thanks
[13:21:40] <JT-Work> dang traffic was horrible this morning... I saw 3 cars, 2 trucks, 1 suv, 2 dogs, 1 rabbit, and 1 old couple out for a morning walk
[13:23:22] <SWPadnos> did you get any of them?
[13:24:03] <JT-Work> almost got the rabbit
[13:24:15] <SWPadnos> no points for you then
[13:25:25] <JT-Work> my internet uses power over the ethernet, will a switch pass that one to my antenna?
[13:25:41] <SWPadnos> no, probably not
[13:25:58] <SWPadnos> usually you need a POE switch to connect directly to the powered device
[13:26:08] <SWPadnos> or a mid-span power supply
[13:26:29] <JT-Work> hmm, if I plug the antennna adapter into the switch then plug a line to the router do you think that would work?
[13:27:16] <Jymmm> wth is an "antenna Adapter" ?
[13:27:25] <JT-Work> I can plug the antenna adapter into my computer and get the internet ok... now I'm trying to get it down to the router in the basement
[13:28:02] <JT-Work> it's a little tiny thing with a female rj45 on one side and a male rj45 on the other side and a giant wall wort to power it up
[13:28:21] <SWPadnos> mid-span power supply
[13:28:30] <JT-Work> ok
[13:28:36] <Jymmm> and what does it do?
[13:28:47] <SWPadnos> it powers the antenna device
[13:28:53] <SWPadnos> PoE
[13:28:55] <JT-Work> it powers up the antenna that points to the tower up on the hill
[13:29:19] <SWPadnos> that adapter thingy needs to be on the wire that directly connects to the antenna
[13:29:34] <Jymmm> It's a PoE Power Supply?
[13:29:45] <JT-Work> yes the female end gets the rj45 from the antenna
[13:29:48] <Jymmm> k
[13:29:57] <SWPadnos> oh, that's lucky
[13:30:39] <SWPadnos> the network wiring has to be antenna -> power supply -> switch
[13:30:51] <SWPadnos> and don't connect it the wrong way :)
[13:31:07] <SWPadnos> but you should be able to use a pretty long cable on either side of the power supply
[13:31:23] <JT-Work> then from the switch -> router internet in ?
[13:31:35] <SWPadnos> however that connects now, yes
[13:32:48] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Think you hate flash? Just add VR... http://secondlife.com/whatis/?lang=en-US
[13:32:48] <JT-Work> I ran a second Ethernet cable down to the basement like we talked about the other day and now on my lan all computers can "see" each other so that part is good :)
[13:38:23] <JT-Work> I tried putting a female wall plug on the cable that ran down to the basement but for some reason that doesn't work
[13:40:46] <SWPadnos> miswired?
[13:41:11] <MattyMatt> that "Welcome Island" is SL looks exactly like the original demo in Abode Atmosphere 10 years ago
[13:41:16] <JT-Work> could be lol, I assumed a straight through wiring
[13:41:37] <Jymmm> not ethernet =)
[13:41:42] <SWPadnos> gotta go by the color codes on the jack
[13:41:49] <SWPadnos> if there aren't any, get different jacks
[13:41:58] <SWPadnos> (since the ones you have aren't made for ethernet in that case)
[13:42:00] <JT-Work> use A or B color code?
[13:42:10] <SWPadnos> 568B is more common, I believe
[13:42:27] <JT-Work> ok, I'll try B this evening thanks
[13:42:38] <skunkworks_> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/All_i-o.JPG
[13:42:42] <JT-Work> I think I have tried all but B lol
[13:42:45] <SWPadnos> heh
[13:42:46] <skunkworks_> that is 4 plugs worth of i/o...
[13:43:10] <skunkworks_> (96)
[13:43:24] <SWPadnos> bunxhes
[13:43:26] <SWPadnos> err
[13:43:28] <SWPadnos> bunches
[13:43:46] <Jymmm> * Jymmm bets there aint no panduit/cable mgmnt in there
[13:44:10] <skunkworks_> dad gets a kick out of you worrying about that... ;)
[13:44:17] <Jymmm> and No, duct tape doens't count! ;)
[13:44:52] <Jymmm> worry, nah. I'm not the one that has to troubleshoot it. I'll be the one smirking down the road =)
[13:47:16] <JT-Work> skunkworks_ anything powered up yet?
[13:48:17] <skunkworks_> well - I actually flipped the breaker to it this weekend... Things powered up (like the 110v transformer that is going to be running the computer and relays)
[13:48:18] <Jymmm> I may not be good for anything, but the one thing I'm damn good at is wiring chassis and troubleshooting them. Cable management is a gawd send in that respect. do it right the first time, will save you years of frustration, agony, asprin, and tequilia !
[13:51:10] <Jymmm> Oh, and thermal stamp wire labels SUCK - Never use them!
[13:51:38] <Jymmm> the ones that stamp directly on the wire, not the ones that stamp on shrink tubing.
[13:52:36] <cradek> skunkworks_: nice pc mount
[13:52:36] <Jymmm> 5 and 10HP Motors form Grainger as example
[13:53:19] <skunkworks_> cradek: thanks!
[13:53:39] <skunkworks_> Jymmm: what do you use for a labeler?
[13:54:06] <skunkworks_> we have been using normal number strips then heatshrinking clear tubing over them. (they are all numbers...)
[13:54:25] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: you mean the books ?
[13:54:29] <skunkworks_> yes
[13:54:54] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: Yeah, those are fine. It's the ones that heat stamp directly on the PVC.
[13:54:58] <skunkworks_> sort-of - we had a 0-9 numbering gizmo that had the numbers on rolls.
[13:55:00] <Jymmm> ...that suck.
[13:55:06] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: red?
[13:55:09] <Jymmm> from 3M
[13:55:12] <skunkworks_> yes
[13:55:27] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: Those suck, they have a tendancy to come off.
[13:55:41] <Jymmm> the adhesive is crap.
[13:55:45] <skunkworks_> yes - that is why we heatshrinked clear over them ;)
[13:56:44] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: Without buying a $1000+ cable labeler. what works nice is a $20 labeler from any office supply store. just get one that doens't waster tape with a 1/2" margin on either side.
[13:57:40] <Jymmm> there is another one ~$150 that can print on the 1/8" tape too, can be programmed from PC as well
[13:57:58] <Jymmm> does 1/8 to 1" wide tape iirc
[13:58:22] <Jymmm> availabel from Staples and other places.
[13:58:40] <cradek> skunkworks_: how long until it moves?
[14:00:00] <skunkworks_> cradek: I have stopped giving times... ;) soon I hope. Going well - dad has been removing hydraulic lines we don't need\
[14:00:00] <MattyMatt> jymm. whit heatshrink. black sharpie
[14:00:14] <Jymmm> MattyMatt: NOT!
[14:00:24] <MattyMatt> or black HS and silver sharpie
[14:00:32] <skunkworks_> the servo interface is mounted - if you look at the picutre...
[14:01:41] <skunkworks_> this box is going to be packed... ;)
[14:02:48] <skunkworks_> few covers need to be sealed and we can start bringing up the hydraulics and play with gear shifts and tool changes.
[14:03:46] <JT-Work> skunkworks_: I actually made a few parts on the Hardinge
[14:04:02] <skunkworks_> JT-Work: great - any issues?
[14:04:19] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: I think this is the one... http://www.brother-usa.com/Ptouch/ModelDetail.aspx?ProductID=PT2700
[14:05:06] <JT-Work> just dumbass things lol
[14:05:07] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: One of them has label tape that can be used on the "binding edge" (so to speak) of Cd Jewel cases.
[14:05:58] <DaViruz> spine :-)
[14:06:08] <Jymmm> what he said =)
[14:06:49] <DaViruz> (i cheat, i work for a book binder)
[14:07:10] <skunkworks_> Jymmm: neat
[14:07:14] <MattyMatt> injecting molten plastic into a mould around the wire. that'd work on fitted wires
[14:07:17] <Jymmm> DaViruz: I couldn't recall the name. I used to do bindary eons ago
[14:07:40] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: see pic http://www.brother-usa.com/accessories/AccessoryFilter.aspx?Model=PT2700
[14:07:58] <Jymmm> DOH, Select 9/64" for the size
[14:08:16] <DaViruz> 9/64, wow
[14:08:19] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: http://www.brother-usa.com/USAimages/AccessoryImages/Detail/TZN201-d.jpg
[14:08:20] <DaViruz> thats a crazy fraction
[14:08:35] <Jymmm> .1406" yeah
[14:09:52] <Jymmm> They even have labels to print your name in your underwear! LOL
[14:10:00] <Jymmm> and iron on
[14:10:25] <Jymmm> Witht eh PC aspect, you can add logos to your labels.
[14:12:45] <Jymmm> Brother makes CNC Machines ?!?!?!?! Now that's scarry!!! http://www.brother-usa.com/machinetool/default.aspx?src=movie
[14:13:11] <Jymmm> EDM machines too
[14:13:40] <MattyMatt> it was a brother sewing machine that had the gameboy interface for embroidery
[14:13:58] <Jymmm> GameBoy??? really
[14:14:36] <MattyMatt> color gameboy to be precise. it worked with the camera addon
[14:15:03] <DaViruz> i seem to remember something like that
[14:15:03] <MattyMatt> it was only sold in japan, so I never saw more than pics
[14:15:12] <Jymmm> Ah
[14:15:35] <Jymmm> Well, we had one of Brothers Embroidery machines. piece of shit.
[14:15:42] <MattyMatt> ideal for putting hello kitty on your cardigan
[14:16:18] <Jymmm> The ONLY machine I'd buy now is a Janome. That thing is AWESOME
[14:17:03] <Jymmm> This sucker sews thru 7 layers of denim using regulr needles like there's nothing there.
[14:19:21] <Jymmm> http://janome.com/index.cfm/Machines/Sewing-Quilting/DC2010
[14:20:30] <Jymmm> Best damn sewing machine for $400. Worth every penny. Great for a starter machine.
[14:20:35] <MattyMatt> it looks like brothers normal sewing machines have the gameboy built in these days
[14:20:55] <Jymmm> Yeah, FSCK Brother!
[14:21:03] <Jymmm> Crappy plastic gears
[14:22:07] <MattyMatt> not a very deep throat on that one. for proper cloth cnc I'd want one that can work the width of a fabric roll
[14:22:27] <Jymmm> Well, those are the industrial machine.
[14:24:05] <MattyMatt> oh yes
[14:25:01] <MattyMatt> industry = effort that's worthwhile
[14:27:50] <MattyMatt> * MattyMatt teaches Asimo to sew
[14:28:07] <MattyMatt> it walked like a cliche tailor anyway
[14:41:55] <elmo40> Jymmm: Janomes are nice but a real machine is Juki
[14:44:33] <elmo40> we have this one: http://www.imca.net/stocklist/juki%5Cddl5554.JPG
[14:44:51] <elmo40> serious machine! sounds like a jet engine is starting when I push the ON button :P
[14:44:51] <Jymmm> that's an industrial machine though =)
[14:45:04] <elmo40> I bought it for $400
[14:45:31] <sealive> its a replica of the PFAFF that is build neer my hometown
[14:54:03] <grommit> hello, and welcome to another episode of How the Machine Turns (or doesn't). In today's episode, Grommit's machine will begin to execute a NGC file and then just stop for no apparent reason. His ngc file is at http://pastebin.com/3sJYBBgF, his HAL file is at http://pastebin.com/tV0Wx25L, and his INI file is at http://pastebin.com/MRmK1Yda. EMC Status shows that it stops at line 453. This file has been run on several other machin
[14:54:32] <Dave911> I've got a Pfaff walking foot machine... I swear it could sew plywood ... very tough ... made for leather and heavy canvas..
[14:55:13] <cradek> 453 is a tool change...
[14:55:25] <Jymmm> DOH!
[14:55:36] <grommit> Yes, but there is no tool change dialog (even hiding behind AXIS)
[14:55:52] <elmo40> we also have an OLD Kenmore 158 http://qurl.org/9z0 a Janome RX18s http://qurl.org/Bz0 and a Baby Lock BL3 http://qurl.org/Az0 None are embroiders, though.
[14:55:57] <cradek> what emc version?
[14:55:59] <grommit> When I execute it, the dialog comes up, and I (pretend to) change tool and click ok
[14:56:04] <grommit> 2.3.5
[14:56:35] <grommit> Then it spins up spindle, moves x,y,z and then just sits there indefinitely with spindle turning.
[14:57:18] <cradek> net spindle-at-speed => motion.spindle-at-speed
[14:57:32] <cradek> seems like there is nothing driving spindle-at-speed, unless there is another hal file somewhere
[14:57:40] <Dave911> Jymmm: What do you do with them? I bought the Pfaff used to sew canvas, and upholstery.. works fine for that. It really is not good for sewing light material though..
[14:58:00] <grommit> no other hal file (a custom hal but only for joypad)
[14:58:23] <Jymmm> Dave911: Not much, it's the gf's machine.
[14:58:31] <elmo40> grommit: so not line 453?
[14:59:04] <grommit> What do you mean?
[14:59:08] <Dave911> cradek: when debugging tough gcode problems does it make sense to put in message lines - similar to print lines for tracing stuff in python? Or is that ineffective.
[14:59:28] <cradek> brb
[14:59:33] <elmo40> grommit: you said EMC shows it stops at line 453
[14:59:38] <elmo40> in the paste line 453 is fine
[14:59:53] <elmo40> but I don't know why you call G83 4 times withought a G80
[15:00:41] <grommit> It is someone else's file, and at this point I don't want to debug it as it works for him. I just want it to run on my setup (which is nearly identical to his). I am sure it is my problem somewhere...
[15:01:13] <grommit> cradek: are you saying that my net spindle-at-speed => motion.spindle-at-speed is wrong?
[15:02:08] <elmo40> well, just in case you want to debug... line 471 to 474, there is no G80 between the G83. It shouldn't be an issue, just bad coding practice ;)
[15:02:35] <grommit> ok, thx, I will pass it on...
[15:03:32] <awallin_> someone is selling a 10kW lathe spindle motor http://img408.imageshack.us/i/007rf.jpg/
[15:04:10] <elmo40> crazy 50Hz...
[15:04:26] <elmo40> I can't use that ;)
[15:04:27] <awallin_> real nice.. http://img227.imageshack.us/i/014hv.jpg/
[15:04:33] <Dave911> grommit: When I hit a wall I usually start commenting stuff out to see if it is an issue ...
[15:04:54] <awallin_> well maybe not for hobby...
[15:05:19] <Jymmm> Dave911: I usually just grab explosives.
[15:05:24] <SWPadnos> grommit, what version of emc2?
[15:05:29] <SWPadnos> is he running?
[15:05:30] <grommit> 2.3.5
[15:05:34] <SWPadnos> and you?
[15:05:37] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: BDI
[15:05:42] <grommit> oh, let me check for him...
[15:05:53] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, BTDT
[15:06:17] <Dave911> Hey .. SW.. back from vacation ?? :-)
[15:06:30] <SWPadnos> yep
[15:06:38] <Dave911> Have a good time?
[15:06:43] <SWPadnos> yep
[15:06:50] <Dave911> cool ..
[15:06:56] <micges> grommit: start your program and run it until it hangs, then start halmeter and see motion.spindle-at-speed, and then see pins I haVE told you yesterday
[15:07:05] <SWPadnos> it was funny though, one day we were gone, there was a foot of snow here (more in some nearby towns)
[15:07:26] <SWPadnos> another day the temperature here was warmer than Miami (86 degrees, here, only 82 in Miami)
[15:07:32] <Dave911> Where did you go?
[15:07:51] <SWPadnos> 7-day caribbean cruise
[15:08:18] <SWPadnos> Half Moon Cay (private island in the Bahamas), San Juan PR, St. Thomas, and Grand Turk
[15:08:52] <Dave911> I have heard of Half Moon Cay ..... doesn't the cruise line own that island ??
[15:08:56] <SWPadnos> yep
[15:09:08] <SWPadnos> It's also known as Little San Salvador
[15:09:14] <grommit> His version of EMC is not easily found out(computer packed away at the moment), it is likely an 2.3.X but a few revs behind latest.
[15:09:25] <SWPadnos> nicest beach I've ever seen, but it rained that day
[15:09:34] <Dave911> Good think you weren't cruising the gulf of mexico ! Just off Louisiana!
[15:09:47] <SWPadnos> grommit, ok. are you sure that the hal file you just posted has all of his HAL info?
[15:09:52] <SWPadnos> heh, yeah
[15:09:59] <grommit> yes
[15:10:02] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[15:10:17] <micges> Dave911: how bad is it?
[15:10:26] <SWPadnos> as cradek pointed out, there is nothing driving the spindle-at-speed signal
[15:10:30] <micges> (oil)
[15:10:30] <SWPadnos> micges, very bad
[15:10:56] <Dave911> Really, really bad ... as of last night the oil is still flowing ...
[15:11:05] <grommit> Signals: tool-change: FALSE, tool-changed: FALSE tool-number 6 tool-prepare-loopback FALSE
[15:11:13] <SWPadnos> and may get up to 50000 barrels a day of "leakage"
[15:11:33] <grommit> spindle-at-speed: FALSE
[15:11:49] <grommit> What should drive spindle-at-speed?
[15:12:01] <SWPadnos> something that tells you when the spindle is at speed
[15:12:02] <MattyMatt> dammit. BBC cut off Obama just wehn he'd stopped puffing about Times Sq and started talking economy
[15:12:12] <Dave911> OT - but I heard that BP oil does need to use the same safety gear in the gulf that they do in the north sea ... and that may be why they can't turn it off .. there will be hell to pay after this mess ....
[15:12:15] <grommit> I don't have an encoder on the spindle.
[15:12:29] <micges> grommit: comment it
[15:12:32] <grommit> I like the simplicity of your statement though ;-)
[15:12:40] <SWPadnos> then you should either leave motion.spindle-at-speed unconnected, or set the pin TRUE
[15:12:46] <SWPadnos> probably leaving it unconnected is better
[15:13:00] <grommit> so comment it out as micges suggests?
[15:13:12] <SWPadnos> yes
[15:13:47] <grommit> I still don't quite have the HAL concept down
[15:13:55] <grommit> obviously :-)
[15:14:01] <SWPadnos> it's wires and pins
[15:14:09] <Dave911> study.. study ... :-)
[15:14:20] <SWPadnos> a wire that only connects to one terminal doesn't do much good (unless it's an antenna, which HAL doesn't have)
[15:14:24] <cradek> does pncconf always put that in, even when nothing is driving it? it's a bug if so
[15:14:51] <grommit> I believe that is where it came from
[15:17:48] <micges> cradek: it seems so
[15:18:46] <micges> grommit: does it helps?
[15:26:25] <grommit> Very cool, yes, that was the problem!
[15:27:56] <grommit> So, for my edification.... in my file I also have: net spindle-cw <= motion.spindle-forward and net spindle-ccw <= motion.spindle-reverse that don't appear to have any other reference
[15:28:16] <grommit> But, I when I click on the CW or CCW arrows in AXIS the motor changes dir
[15:28:26] <SWPadnos> you have things connected differently
[15:28:53] <micges> grommit: we will bug pncconf author about this problem
[15:29:12] <grommit> differently?
[15:29:26] <SWPadnos> grommit, with emc2 running, you can do "halcmd show sig" in a terminal, to see all the signals
[15:30:00] <SWPadnos> that will be a large list, but since signals are listed with all the pins connected to them, you can find any that have only one pin and remove those references from the HAL file
[15:30:50] <SWPadnos> yes, differently, you're using the sign of the speed for that, aren't you?
[15:30:59] <SWPadnos> (-4000 = go backwards at 4000)
[15:31:37] <grommit> I don't know. It just works, I don't recall doing anything to make it connected...
[15:32:02] <SWPadnos> we discussed the PWM and controlling your FWD/REV relays before, I think
[15:33:01] <grommit> I changed the control-type of the step pulse to "1" and I think that did it.
[15:33:40] <SWPadnos> yes, but the functionality that SPINDLE-CW and SPINDLE-CCW provide is also "available" in the spindle speed itself, since it's a signed value
[15:33:52] <grommit> I have a step pulse to a board that converts to an analog 0-10
[15:34:14] <SWPadnos> there are often multiple ways to do something, and you happen to be using something other than CW and CCW signals from the motion controller
[15:34:39] <grommit> Hmm, I haven't quite solved my problem....
[15:34:57] <grommit> I get further but then get a following error on my z-axis every time.
[15:35:13] <grommit> I set the ferror and min_ferror way up and that doesn't seem to help
[15:35:38] <SWPadnos> Z has encoders too?
[15:35:43] <SWPadnos> an encoder
[15:35:58] <grommit> yes, z has same encoder
[15:36:10] <grommit> same kind (2048ppr)
[15:36:21] <SWPadnos> the following error is unrelated to the G-code, it's a configuration error
[15:36:29] <elmo40> I like this concept. Busbar style power supply. http://qurl.org/Cz0 Makes a nicer control box.
[15:36:43] <SWPadnos> it may be that you haven't seen it before because this file runs Z at a higher feed rate than you have used before
[15:37:05] <SWPadnos> gotta run. bbl
[15:37:05] <grommit> Ok. I will run halscope on it and see what the ferror is
[15:40:36] <elmo40> nice. a circular rail. should work with my 4th axis setup :) http://qurl.org/Dz0
[15:41:05] <elmo40> even has a clamp. wonder how it is activated
[15:46:20] <grommit> hmm, I can't seen to see the ferror in halscope. it may be that I am not triggering it right. my program stops every time on g0 z#<zSafe>. not sure what that does.
[15:46:46] <grommit> I assume zSafe stops the spindle and raises Z to change tool
[15:49:15] <celeron55> g0 means a rapid move, z#<zSafe> asks it to move in Z axis to position stored in variable #<zSafe>
[15:50:17] <grommit> Ok, so it raises z up. So, SWPadnos was right, it isn't g-code, something must be wrong with ferror on z in my config (too low)....
[15:50:30] <grommit> How can I get Halscope to trigger just before the failure?
[15:54:49] <grommit> got it. Just kept clicking Single trigger mode until I got it.
[16:12:20] <grommit> Whoo hoo, I just made a (imaginary) part!!!!
[16:13:21] <grommit> After the spindle-at-speed problem, it was a matter of tweaking MAX_ACCELERATION. That was causing the following error (too high acceleration).
[16:30:55] <elmo40> grommit: nice.
[17:33:40] <apostrophe> bonny: please don't ctcp whole channels, it's quite impolite
[17:34:06] <apostrophe> (unless if you're using /me which translates to a CTCP ACTION)
[17:59:42] <Bonny> sorry I didn't want to do that... I'm just 1'st time on the IRC
[18:21:08] <apostrophe> and he's already abusing apostrophes? :-p
[18:34:10] <morficmobile> apostrophe: it's always you who gets abused
[18:39:02] <ries> hey all, I can run axis properly in my test environment, but when I try to run classiclader I get Shared memory conflict or RT component not loaded!, is there a way to start classiclader?
[18:39:14] <ries> other then from cmd
[18:39:34] <cradek> run the demo_sim_cl config, and pick classic ladder from the File menu in AXIS
[18:44:49] <ries> Ahh ok, I thought it was a stand alone thingy...
[18:55:08] <skunkworks_> you can get to it from the menu... neat.
[18:55:19] <skunkworks_> I should remember that
[19:37:03] <frallzor> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/emcinfo.pl?Simple_Remote_Pendant I was thinking about this
[19:37:43] <frallzor> im getting a controller to do this, could some of its button be used for run, pause and stop for use with touchy?
[19:38:07] <frallzor> plan is to slaughter the controller and make a new nice case
[19:39:33] <JT-Work> frallzor: that is the one I use on my plasma cutter
[19:40:32] <frallzor> works ok?
[19:41:05] <micges> JT-Work: any pics?
[19:41:24] <JT-Work> of the plasma cutter?
[19:41:39] <micges> yes and pendant
[19:41:44] <JT-Work> frallzor: yes works fine
[19:41:58] <micges> I'm working on it and don't have idea how can it looks like
[19:42:01] <micges> :P
[19:42:05] <frallzor> you set speed using buttons or just use a max value and control it with the joystick?
[19:42:12] <JT-Work> http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Plasma%20Cutter/
[19:42:28] <JT-Work> I use the speed buttons just like on the wiki
[19:42:43] <JT-Work> micges: the pic on the wiki is the same as mine
[19:42:43] <frallzor> if Im reading it right if you just set like 10000mm/min you can make it go 0-10000mm/min with just using slight movement of the joystick
[19:43:12] <JT-Work> yes + ranges set by which button you hold down
[19:43:23] <frallzor> but not needed?
[19:43:28] <JT-Work> like a high medium, slow button
[19:43:46] <frallzor> lets say I just want high and slow
[19:43:48] <JT-Work> you need some kind of button to enable it at the least
[19:43:52] <frallzor> how many spares?
[19:44:00] <frallzor> to use for touchy
[19:45:49] <frallzor> would be nice to have enough buttons for proper speed and start stop pause =) but I dont know how many unique ones you get free after setup for pendant use
[19:47:02] <micges> JT-Work: thanks
[19:47:37] <JT-Work> micges: were any of the pics helpful
[19:49:07] <micges> yes
[19:49:29] <frallzor> videos?
[19:49:34] <micges> what power plasma source you have?
[19:49:50] <micges> how many A
[19:50:02] <JT-Work> Hypertherm 1250
[19:50:06] <JT-Work> 80A
[19:50:19] <JT-Work> there is some vids on the wiki of the plasma
[19:50:42] <micges> how thick metal sheets?
[19:51:41] <JT-Work> LOL it will sever 1" I think and cut 3/4" and really cut 1/2" nice btw I think the word sever is french for fuscking ugly cut
[19:53:18] <micges> cool
[19:54:23] <JT-Work> I think I have cut some 5/8 on the table before... and it came out ok
[19:54:29] <micges> we have cebora 160A
[19:54:49] <JT-Work> Europe brand?
[19:54:54] <micges> it can cut 35mm
[19:54:57] <micges> yes
[19:56:34] <JT-Work> 35*.03937=1 3/8" nice
[19:58:09] <micges> I see that you have belts for driving one axis? we have done one machine on it and after 6 months it had 1mm backlash on it
[19:58:58] <JT-Work> I have two belts for the Y gantry and one for the X axis and no problem so far with backlash
[20:00:32] <micges> on that gantry what motor power there is?
[20:01:43] <micges> links on wiki doesn't work
[20:04:28] <JT-Work> some nema 23 steppers
[20:04:41] <JT-Work> brb gotta run to a customer's place3
[20:05:01] <micges> ok
[21:07:09] <frallzor> thar I go, made some nice values for screw distances!
[21:45:55] <alex_joni> http://www.welkestijl.nl/
[22:02:39] <pfred1> * pfred1 has heatsink decisions to make
[22:05:49] <Valen> water cooling
[22:07:08] <pfred1> Valen water cooling? I really don't need it I'm more at anodized black or natural
[22:37:25] <pfred1> now let me go tap this bad boy out
[22:54:20] <pfred1> bitchin!
[22:54:33] <JT-Hardinge> Whoot! I finally guessed enough with all the hints to get the internet to all computers and the lan to all the computers
[22:55:01] <JT-Hardinge> SWPadnos: you around?
[22:55:08] <SWPadnos> kinda
[22:55:19] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge I tried to setup NAT here and it turned out all I had to do was plug a switch into the cable then plug any comp i wanted to into it
[22:55:22] <JT-Hardinge> I finally got it all working, thanks for the help
[22:55:32] <SWPadnos> great, you're welcome
[22:56:28] <JT-Hardinge> I had to do antenna -> poethingy -> switch -> router internet plug
[22:56:57] <JT-Hardinge> router to downstairs computers and also to another switch up here for the shop computers
[22:57:12] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge I'm hardwired drilling a hole in the foundation seemed like the easiest solution to me
[22:57:34] <JT-Hardinge> I'm hardwired everywhere too
[22:57:42] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge plus my network is about 10X faster hardwired as opposed to wireless
[22:57:45] <JT-Hardinge> the antenna thingy is the isp's antenna
[22:58:05] <JT-Hardinge> antenna on my tower to antenna up the hill on isp tower thing
[22:58:36] <JT-Hardinge> the only wireless is to my wife's laptop from the router
[22:58:43] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge my ISP gave me a wireless LAN but it has jacks on it too
[22:58:57] <pfred1> well router firewall whatever it is
[22:59:59] <pfred1> I still never fixed it so I can DCC or stuff
[23:00:17] <JT-Hardinge> the antenna I have is a point to point not a wireless thingy
[23:00:45] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge like a satelite dish sort of?
[23:01:12] <JT-Hardinge> no, radio line of sight from antenna to tower
[23:01:34] <JT-Hardinge> I had to put up a 30' tower to "see" over the trees
[23:01:37] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge the poor bastards here ran a cable to me I sorta felt bad for them
[23:01:50] <JT-Hardinge> no cable out here in the woods
[23:01:55] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge but hey they offered you know?
[23:01:57] <JT-Hardinge> except logging cable
[23:02:06] <JT-Hardinge> yea
[23:02:08] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge oh I'm out in the woods it's over a 900 foot run on my property
[23:02:39] <JT-Hardinge> nearest cable is about 1/2 mile away from me and they can keep it lol
[23:03:05] <pfred1> well its right along the side of the road but I'm set back some here
[23:03:29] <JT-Hardinge> that's the way I like it can't see any one from my deck
[23:03:50] <pfred1> in the winter when all the foliage dies off i can sorta make out one guy on one side of me
[23:04:01] <pfred1> he's about a half an inch tall or so I'd say
[23:04:38] <pfred1> I'm good to go the other three sides though
[23:05:04] <pfred1> in the back I don't know how many miles it is to the next inhabited place
[23:05:22] <JT-Hardinge> nice
[23:05:40] <pfred1> more than I'd care to find out thats for sure
[23:05:49] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge thinks about taking off the chuck now
[23:06:12] <pfred1> everyone on my block shootsi n their back yards here
[23:06:28] <JT-Hardinge> heh, we do too
[23:06:45] <JT-Hardinge> we have some long range targets set up at my neighbors house
[23:06:47] <pfred1> coz there's nothing really back there
[23:07:10] <pfred1> I could shoot 1000 feet and still be on my property in that direction
[23:07:40] <JT-Hardinge> I wish I had that much here, I only have 9 acres
[23:07:50] <pfred1> oh i only have 3 but I'm narrow
[23:08:10] <pfred1> and there's a hunting preserve in the back of me
[23:08:23] <pfred1> its I donno how many hundreds of acres
[23:08:42] <pfred1> they got their own man made lake i seen it from Google Earth
[23:09:02] <pfred1> I heard them digging it for about 3 years
[23:09:03] <JT-Hardinge> cool
[23:09:21] <pfred1> I heard the trucks going beep beep beep bacing up I was like wtf is that?
[23:09:40] <pfred1> then one day i saw on the image the lake and it all came together for me
[23:10:05] <pfred1> then for a couple of years it was real popular in season but its been dying off lately
[23:10:34] <andypugh> That's a relief, I recompiled my live EMC2 version, and it still works
[23:10:49] <pfred1> andypugh works is always good
[23:11:12] <pfred1> I'm just about ready to smoke test my latest motor driver i just got done soldering up over here
[23:11:23] <pfred1> I sure hope it works
[23:11:26] <Guest719> Guest719 is now known as skunkworks
[23:12:23] <pfred1> I still need to modify the part footprint a little I'm going to spread the ZIP legs apart a little it was such a pain to build
[23:12:50] <pfred1> another hundreth of an inch there would make a big difference to me solderingit all up
[23:12:52] <MarkusBec> MarkusBec is now known as MarkusBec_away
[23:13:20] <JT-Hardinge> just make sure the video camera is going when you load test it
[23:14:01] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge last one if I didn't foul up the library element for the optocoupler i used it would have been perfect as it was I perfectly made it wrong
[23:14:08] <andypugh> Horribly off-topic, but this is some rather "committed" driving: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d01VBR5nKPw
[23:14:37] <pfred1> andypugh you ever see the vid they madei n Japan of the nut going 175 MPH in rush hour traffic in a Lambo?
[23:15:02] <andypugh> They do call it _rush_ hour.
[23:15:09] <pfred1> well he was rushing
[23:15:16] <pfred1> they busted his ass too using the video
[23:16:13] <pfred1> supposedly they found eye witnesses that gave them enough information to track the guy down
[23:17:15] <andypugh> How many Lambos are there to look for?
[23:17:52] <pfred1> man the car sounds so ratty
[23:18:39] <pfred1> missed that gear!
[23:19:08] <pfred1> looks like a CART car
[23:19:14] <pfred1> the red one at the end
[23:19:30] <pfred1> my daddy used to like to race Indy cars
[23:20:35] <pfred1> he hung out with Rodger Penskie and was good friends with a fellow named Mark Donahue
[23:22:14] <pfred1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roger_Penske
[23:23:46] <pfred1> though dead old dad did manage to keep his name out of the history books
[23:26:38] <pfred1> I should drop in on him some day and see if he freaks out or not
[23:29:32] <andypugh> That's "dear old dad" then?
[23:30:45] <pfred1> andypugh my dads name is Charlie Dietrich he knew Rodger back in the 60s may still know him I'm not sure
[23:31:17] <pfred1> we don't really stay in touch though I was recently in contact with his brother my uncle
[23:31:27] <pfred1> who I look exactly like
[23:31:45] <andypugh> Read back what you wrote, it was an unfortunate typo (I hope)
[23:32:01] <pfred1> I wish my father was Rodger Penske
[23:32:12] <pfred1> that'd be sweet
[23:32:29] <pfred1> nah my bum old man only hung out with him
[23:33:09] <pfred1> but he was mark Donahue's second in a couple of races
[23:33:31] <pfred1> they were close friends
[23:33:50] <pfred1> and i guess thats how he knew Rodger
[23:34:15] <pfred1> mark is buried in my home town
[23:34:30] <pfred1> I seen his grave a million times
[23:35:42] <skunkworks> anyone used virtualbox for running xp?
[23:37:01] <pfred1> skunkworks who are you the Mareuis De Sade?
[23:37:19] <andypugh> No. I have used VMware though if that is any help?
[23:37:44] <pfred1> skunkworks I used wine once it was too much like Windows!
[23:37:47] <skunkworks> andypugh: nice work on the 3 phase pwm driver
[23:38:03] <skunkworks> andypugh: how was the performance?
[23:38:10] <skunkworks> (on vmware)
[23:38:16] <andypugh> I haven't used it to spin a motor yet.
[23:38:16] <pfred1> skunkworks when i finished the session my machine was so wonky i even rebooted it
[23:38:28] <andypugh> Ah, you mean VMware
[23:38:48] <pfred1> Ok let me slap another heatsink on this driver over here and fire it up
[23:39:11] <andypugh> It is OK. Alibre design is a fair bit less responsive than natively-booted but that is probably down to graphics accelleration
[23:40:18] <skunkworks> what hardware?
[23:40:44] <andypugh> Core Duo (no "2") 2Ghz
[23:41:09] <skunkworks> ok. I want to try it on a i7 quadcore
[23:41:46] <andypugh> CPU-wise it should fly, but you might still struggle with graphics accelleration.
[23:41:53] <skunkworks> right
[23:47:22] <skunkworks> mozmck2: Hello! how is the kernel fight?
[23:48:07] <mozmck2> howdy! just now getting a little time to work on it. I'm about to compile with the latest code and rtai patch
[23:48:23] <mozmck2> how do I create a new page on the wiki?
[23:49:07] <JT-Hardinge> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?BasicSteps
[23:49:09] <MattyMatt> type it into the address bar
[23:49:15] <JT-Hardinge> I think you just type it in
[23:49:41] <andypugh> No, you are all wrong, you just type it in.
[23:49:46] <JT-Hardinge> and give MattyMatt a cigar
[23:50:07] <pfred1> OK it works now its picture time
[23:50:07] <MattyMatt> if you try to look at a page that doesn't exist, a wiki will usually create it
[23:51:06] <andypugh> I am thinking Core Duo is a bit old hat now. Do I need an i5 27" iMac? I think perhaps I do.
[23:51:24] <MattyMatt> uncyclopedia :) that's a whole heap of stupid
[23:51:35] <mozmck2> thanks, that worked
[23:52:39] <MattyMatt> 27" Samsung, to a c2d minimac via a KVM
[23:53:47] <MattyMatt> you could make an i9 hackintosh :)
[23:54:03] <andypugh> I really like the neatness of the iMacs. No trailing cables, they look nice turned off. If I am going to have a computer in my living room it has to look nice.
[23:54:22] <MattyMatt> bury it in the plaster
[23:54:37] <MattyMatt> and cnc a posher bezel for the screen, if you have to
[23:54:53] <andypugh> I doubt my walls are thick enough, the amount of noise I hear from next door.
[23:55:25] <andypugh> With my CNC? You think I want an iMac 4" ?
[23:56:17] <MattyMatt> I could do you a 15" on mine
[23:56:43] <MattyMatt> mm acrylic, that's sth to try with my new cutter
[23:57:01] <MattyMatt> otherwise, it'll have to be plywood :)
[23:58:11] <MattyMatt> I guess the bottom will have dropped out of the jewel-encrusted phone & lpatop market by now
[23:59:13] <andypugh> We can hope
[23:59:51] <MattyMatt> I rather fancied entering that market