#emc | Logs for 2010-04-29

[00:00:01] <andypugh> I am pretty sure my CNC has ACPI off and it definitely has SMP on.
[00:00:22] <pfred1> though not in /var/run my junk is all in /var/lib or just /usr/sbin/acpid
[00:00:46] <andypugh> But it pretty much ignores shutdown requests and wake-on-lan
[00:01:39] <Dave911> Huh.... well better go back and check that wiki webpage as I remember making some notes on that about acpi ... the setup I have with 9.10 smp definitely sees shutdown requests ..
[00:04:11] <pfred1> when i did the SMI trick on my CNC machine it messed up shutdown
[00:07:32] <pfred1> hey ubuntu apparently thinks that acpi is "optional"
[00:07:52] <Dave911> During testing with this 9.10 compile I could not get SMP to work without ACPI being set on... after a lot of searching I found someplace that said that on this intel 330 cpu it had to be on in order to run smp
[00:08:02] <andypugh> I think RTAI and ACPI don't get on too well together
[00:08:27] <pfred1> andypugh somehow that does not suprise me
[00:08:39] <Dave911> >>ubuntu apparently thinks that acpi is "optional" It is.. You can switch it off and still run Ubuntu..
[00:09:11] <pfred1> Dave911 I'd imagine "optional" means you don't have to install it at all
[00:09:28] <Dave911> Apparently there are many different levels of ACPI.. if you look at the .config file there are about 15 entries for various things within acpi
[00:09:40] <Dave911> pfred... I think that is correct
[00:10:15] <pfred1> Dave911 that is what reading dpkg --status acpid leads me ot believe too
[00:10:23] <Bob__11brookway> when I look in the drivers folder for in the video folder I do find the i810
[00:10:29] <Dave911> but various cpus have various needs in order to run SMP (at least that is what I recall..) very confusing ...
[00:10:48] <pfred1> Bob__11brookway try locate i810
[00:11:31] <pfred1> boyie that spit out a buckload didn't it?
[00:11:59] <Dave911> Andy's idea of adding it as a module might make a lot of sense... still the acpi warning seems wrong...
[00:12:12] <pfred1> /lib/modules/2.6.31-20-generic/kernel/drivers/video/i810/i810fb.ko
[00:12:25] <pfred1> /lib/modules/2.6.31-20-generic/kernel/drivers/video/i810
[00:12:49] <pfred1> apparently even i have the module
[00:12:52] <andypugh> That link I posted earlier for the debian build seems to go into some detail about how to configure ACPI. Just about all you keep is Video. More than coincidence?
[00:13:36] <pfred1> andypugh I gotta bite the bullet here and install Debian
[00:13:41] <Bob__11brookway> I see it in 2.6.31-20 as well
[00:15:21] <andypugh> A friend of mine has his own little Linux distro for embedded applications, that might suit EMC2
[00:15:31] <pfred1> Bob__11brookway are video cards that rare where you're at?
[00:15:32] <andypugh> google pokylinux
[00:16:03] <pfred1> andypugh no i meant for my desktop system
[00:16:24] <Bob__11brookway> no, just dont have one on hand and this onboard one works fine as far as i can tell.
[00:17:19] <pfred1> Bob__11brookway well the 50 million or so people i read from on the Internet seem to disagree with what you're telling me
[00:17:53] <pfred1> Bob__11brookway but hey if it works for you then run with it!
[00:18:00] <andypugh> The onboard video on my CNC machine is perfectly good (Intel MB, Intel video..)
[00:19:12] <pfred1> andypugh then get Bob's to work!
[00:19:54] <Bob__11brookway> I think I will try installing the i810 module tomorrow. I need to sign off now
[00:20:20] <pfred1> Bob__11brookway don't just copy it build one for the kernel or symbols won't match
[00:20:31] <Dave911> >>> http://intellinuxgraphics.org/user.html This seems to point to Andy's suggestion that X needs to be reconfigured .... do a search on this page for i810
[00:21:21] <pfred1> Dave911 if anyone would know it'd be Intel themselves
[00:21:52] <pfred1> they write the worst documentation though gawd if you ever want to fall asleep read their CPU manuals so dry ...
[00:22:31] <pfred1> they must hire catatonics out of nuthouses to do all of their technical writing i swear!
[00:22:36] <Bob__11brookway> I seem to have i810 modules in all of the versions I have on the machine now can I use one of those
[00:22:37] <Dave911> I would think so also ...
[00:22:57] <pfred1> Bob__11brookway what did I just get done telling you?
[00:23:52] <Bob__11brookway> I am a hardware guy so I am stumbling my way through this linux stuff
[00:24:07] <pfred1> Bob__11brookway I've only been running Linux for like 15 years now I know about kernel modules a little
[00:24:14] <Dave911> Bob can you get a screen at all up with the compiled kernal?
[00:24:48] <Bob__11brookway> yes, it comes up in a what it says is a degraded video mode
[00:24:50] <pfred1> though there is a way to build kernels that disable version checking
[00:25:30] <andypugh> Chortle! When you are on a Mac connected to a PC share, and you "Get info" on the PC share, it brings up a dialog with a picture of a typical PC screen in it. Blue, with an error message :-)
[00:25:57] <pfred1> andypugh yeah and Steve jobs is the Devil incarnate
[00:26:23] <Dave911> I would try running this and see what happens ............. sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg ..... intel suggests doing this for some i810 problems and this ties into what Andy mentioned before also ..
[00:26:31] <Bob__11brookway> nite all
[00:26:48] <Dave911> If this is crap ..... someone speak up..
[00:26:52] <pfred1> Dave911 yeah it'd probably build you the module you need
[00:27:08] <pfred1> but that dope will just copy it from another dir and have more peoblems
[00:30:45] <morficmobile> i can't help but thinking to blame intel drm being built w/o KMS, which will not work with xorg in 9.10 (i booted my own KMS less kernel after upgrading to 9.[4|10], took me a little to find out why generic kernel was ok, but mine which worked before upgrade did not
[00:30:51] <Dave911> lighten up pfred.... he is a linux newbie just trying to get through the weeds .... I just sent him an email with that last suggestion I made ...
[00:31:17] <pfred1> morficmobile I worry about hardware DRM creeping into consumer electronics
[00:32:04] <morficmobile> Dave911: hard to let it go, even if i know he has your .config, the whole "it used to work, but now it doesn't" bit just sounds so familiar
[00:32:10] <morficmobile> pfred1: not that kind of DRM
[00:35:28] <pfred1> Dave911 well after dealing with them for about 15 years now it gets old
[00:36:04] <Dave911> pfred... I can understand ...
[00:36:24] <pfred1> Dave911 i like Linux i work with it I don't make unreasonable demands of it
[00:36:46] <Dave911> to get through linux issues you have to listen very carefully ..
[00:37:04] <pfred1> you at least have ot take your brain out of neutral
[00:37:24] <Dave911> to say the least .. :-)
[00:38:22] <pfred1> that's why there aren't many games on the linux platform because the platform is a logic game
[00:39:04] <andypugh> Does this look like a nice little mill to the rest of you? I am actually very tempted:
[00:39:04] <andypugh> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Boxford-VM30-Floor-Standing-Milling-Machine-/300420422055?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item45f273d9a7#ht_637wt_1108
[00:39:54] <pfred1> andypugh you just want to singlehandedly sink your part of England into the north Atlantic don't you?
[00:40:06] <andypugh> It's a baby!
[00:40:13] <Dave911> >>>http://intellinuxgraphics.org/download.html The first line of this web page ...""Compiling and/or upgrading graphics drivers in Linux is a complex and error-prone task"" this fits perfectly....
[00:40:26] <pfred1> andypugh when i moved i learned one thing about myself i like heavy stuff!
[00:41:04] <pfred1> andypugh at one point i found myself doing a wheelie in a 17 foot box truck going down the highway with just some of my equipment in it and it dawned on me then
[00:41:12] <andypugh> :-)
[00:41:51] <pfred1> I'm not normally a very religious man but i was praying that whole trip!
[00:42:18] <andypugh> We once did a stoppie in my dad's Bedford CF van
[00:42:42] <pfred1> that mill looks a lot like an RF-45
[00:43:02] <pfred1> I mena it isn't but it reminds me a lot of one
[00:43:51] <Dave911> Andy ... that is a nice size mill.. wonder what it will sell for?
[00:43:55] <andypugh> It's a lot more solid, and it moves only the knee, not the head
[00:44:16] <andypugh> I have found them listed in dealers for £800 to £900
[00:44:22] <Dave911> Are/were the Boxford machines made in the UK?
[00:44:34] <Dave911> I've never seen one in the USA
[00:44:37] <pfred1> yeah because really you need more rigid than most bench mills are
[00:44:49] <andypugh> http://www.lathes.co.uk/boxfordmiller/index.html
[00:44:53] <pfred1> andypugh i have an RF-32 and it really can't do steel
[00:45:18] <pfred1> andypugh I mean you can do it but it doesn't do it like a real mill does
[00:45:32] <Dave911> pfred .. is that a rigidity problem?
[00:45:32] <andypugh> Boxford are in Brighouse, the town I was brought up in. I feel a bit of a link there
[00:45:42] <pfred1> I've run bridgeports and bigger and its just not the same thing
[00:46:01] <pfred1> Dave911 just the heado n a bridgeport outweighs my machine
[00:46:08] <andypugh> If you look at that last link, it looks pretty solid.
[00:46:34] <pfred1> Dave911 but yeah the thing is chatter city unless you're super careful
[00:47:09] <andypugh> I do steel on my cheap chinese mill.
[00:47:27] <pfred1> andypugh oh i do too but not like its on a commercial mill
[00:47:37] <andypugh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tq8egziHxVg
[00:47:58] <andypugh> But yes, I nibble is compared to the Elliot Milmor in the motor club garage
[00:48:05] <pfred1> I worked in a tool and die shop where we had the real things so I know the difference
[00:48:25] <pfred1> we had this one mill no joke it was like 12 feet tall
[00:48:47] <pfred1> thing looked like they sawed off the front of a battleship and parked it in the corner of the shop
[00:49:21] <pfred1> but even a run of the mill beat to death bridgeport is way better than any of the chinese benchtop mills
[00:50:35] <Dave911> Yes... but unless you have some heavy gear.. moving a bridgeport is no easy task..
[00:51:11] <pfred1> Dave911 we'd move them around the shop with 2 johnson bars and 4 gjys
[00:51:13] <MattyMatt> 'my' bridgeport went for 850gbp
[00:51:15] <pfred1> guys
[00:51:25] <Dave911> That little boxford weighs about 750 lbs.... a good handtruck and a couple of guys could scoot that around
[00:51:33] <andypugh> The Elliot knocks spots of Bridgeport, and some of the Cincinattis I see on eBay...
[00:51:56] <pfred1> Dave911 granted we scarred up the floor a bit ....
[00:52:12] <Dave911> :-) I thought so ...
[00:52:16] <andypugh> Aye, the Boxford is about the ideal "home" size and so likely to go for a lot of money
[00:52:43] <pfred1> my mill weighs 700 pounds i move it with a cherry picker by myself
[00:53:12] <pfred1> well I made a dolly for it too
[00:53:16] <Dave911> I don't know.... there have been some real steals around here on mills ... mostly bridgeports.. even cnc versions ...
[00:53:36] <pfred1> Dave911 play your cards right and a burnt CNC-1 should be free for the taking
[00:53:57] <Dave911> probably right...
[00:54:07] <pfred1> half the shops didn't know what to do with the things when they worked
[00:54:08] <MattyMatt> carigslist has all those free ones in the bay area
[00:54:25] <andypugh> This looks like a bargain if you have space: http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/PAIR-CINCINNATI-MILACRON-VERTICAL-MILLING-MACHINES-/300302106987?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_3&hash=item45eb66816b#ht_503wt_882
[00:54:25] <pfred1> and floor space costs money
[00:55:01] <pfred1> andypugh thats the rub with equipment if grandpa thinks he can get it down the cellar stairs then it'll command a price if it looks like you can't move it you can get a deal
[00:55:06] <Dave911> I've spotted several on craigslist.. If you haven't tried craiglook.com ... you should... spans multiple craigslist areas :-)
[00:55:35] <MattyMatt> this ain't one
[00:55:57] <pfred1> and what you do is hire a flatbed truck that moves cars they'll move it no sweat
[00:56:17] <MattyMatt> yeah they got a winch & ramp
[00:56:18] <andypugh> pfred1: Absolutely. My 10' long Colchester Triumph was £50. A Myford 1/10 the size goes for £1000
[00:56:23] <pfred1> bring a few pipes with you and they'll use their cable winch
[00:57:00] <andypugh> Moving my dad's boring machine the other weekend we borrowed a chain pull. It was _brilliant_
[00:57:24] <pfred1> I have a nice chain hoist and a crappy cable comealong
[00:57:49] <pfred1> but when it comes down to it i use both at times
[00:58:52] <andypugh> This was a chain comealong. Previoulsy we have used Tirfors and a chain block. The lever-chain-block was a revelation.
[00:59:00] <MattyMatt> anything over 300lbs in my workshop would live on a pallet
[00:59:19] <pfred1> andypugh I know what you mean you pulled the one chain a lot and the blocks came together a little
[01:00:17] <andypugh> It is more that the chain-pull expects to be at funny angles, to isn't constantly getting tangled up with itself like a normal chain block laid in the floor does.
[01:01:18] <pfred1> I have one of these http://www.arizonatools.com/tools/lever-chain-hoists/detail/CM5315/
[01:01:45] <pfred1> though mine isn't orange
[01:02:20] <andypugh> The orange ones seem to work better
[01:02:38] <pfred1> I donno mine got lifted off a union job
[01:02:48] <MattyMatt> I saw a vid of a hong kong architect who has all the walls on rails to transform his tiny apartment. I was wondering where the machine shop was. under the bath probably
[01:03:24] <pfred1> andypugh if it was Orange Ritchie probably would have had a lot harder time stealing it for me
[01:03:55] <pfred1> but he was the boss so ...
[01:05:09] <andypugh> MattyMatt: I have heard a rumour that some people live without a machine shop.. Clearly it is a very loose definition of "living" but apparently it is true.
[01:05:15] <pfred1> we were both working for Frank McBride at the time
[01:06:11] <pfred1> andypugh if by definition man is a tool making animal then they must be some sort of subhumans
[01:06:33] <MattyMatt> :)
[01:06:42] <andypugh> Yes, that makes sense of the claim.
[01:07:47] <pfred1> I've been pretty good lately I went out garage saling last weekend and all I came home with was a tapers knife and a clip on shop lite
[01:08:29] <pfred1> I couldn't pass up that tapers knife though a nice Goldblatt one for 50 cents
[01:09:01] <pfred1> when i mud walls i like to have the stuff
[01:10:28] <Jymmm> I got a nice (brand new) hand truck with inflatable tires for $20
[01:10:59] <pfred1> Jymmm how does it work on stairs>
[01:11:28] <Jymmm> works pretty good on steps so far... http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/58/580c7fe0-fdbe-4f29-a94d-55c473398152_400.jpg
[01:12:11] <pfred1> good ones have the track belt or at least skids on the back you may think about retrofitting them
[01:12:45] <Jymmm> That's a frig dolly, liek this... http://www.homedepot.com/catalog/productImages/400/6e/6e45a8a2-9bcc-4e08-a15d-1872eeb37e49_400.jpg
[01:13:00] <pfred1> yup
[01:13:24] <Jymmm> Those are klunky to use for smaller stuff, like boxes
[01:13:36] <pfred1> though one handtruck i have has skids and regular sized wheels
[01:13:57] <Jymmm> I *could* use this one for moving frig, washer, dryer, etc fairly easily
[01:13:57] <pfred1> I've hauled some crap up stairs with it
[01:14:12] <Jymmm> * Jymmm don't do stairs.
[01:14:37] <pfred1> Jymmm i wanted a ranch but i just couldn't find one in a good location
[01:15:36] <pfred1> Jymmm with real estate there's only three things that really matter
[01:15:41] <pfred1> location location location
[01:16:02] <Jymmm> apr, points, and balloon payment
[01:16:36] <pfred1> everything else is mutable but its hard to just up and pick up property and move it
[01:19:03] <pfred1> Jymmm did yo usee the last motor driver i just built?
[01:19:03] <Jymmm> Sure you can... http://www.banasstones.ca/images/Banas_Quarry_01.jpg
[01:21:10] <pfred1> Jymmm his property isn't moving but when you dig up land it then becomes fill
[01:21:50] <Jymmm> nah, just fill with water and it's a now a recreation area.
[01:22:01] <pfred1> they did that behind me
[01:22:23] <pfred1> I'm backedu p to a hunting preserve and teh screwballs dug their own lake
[01:22:36] <pfred1> I saw it on google maps
[01:23:31] <andypugh> Location? http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&q=M62&sll=53.642196,-1.95268&sspn=0.002471,0.004243&ie=UTF8&split=1&rq=1&ev=zi&radius=0.09&hq=M62&hnear=&ll=53.641738,-1.952149&spn=0.002471,0.004243&t=h&z=18
[01:24:16] <pfred1> andypugh he should have took whatever they offered him
[01:25:23] <andypugh> That's the story, but there is more to it than that, as they split the carriageways there to manage the gradients
[01:26:07] <andypugh> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stott_Hall_Farm#Stott_Hall_Farm
[01:26:20] <pfred1> andypugh I guess you get used to the road noise after a while
[01:27:31] <pfred1> andypugh they built this monstrosity behind my old house: http://www.minnowasko.com/promenade.html
[01:28:11] <andypugh> interesting motorway, the M62. At the time of construction it was the highest and most expensive (the underlying geology is peat bog, one rainy night they lost an excavator)
[01:28:19] <pfred1> andypugh i I hadn't alreayd been planning on moving I'd have had to have burnt it to the ground a few times until the developer took the hint you know?
[01:28:34] <andypugh> Looks OK to me.
[01:28:51] <pfred1> andypugh the back of that thing is 32 feet off my old deck
[01:29:13] <andypugh> I guess you are used to space in the US
[01:47:00] <andypugh> Argh! For some reason my VNC connection has become unfeasibly slow, I am trying to work Ubuntu at 1 mouse-click-per-minute....
[01:47:53] <Jymmm> ha ha
[01:49:41] <andypugh> What's the path to the trash? I have an ssh window too
[01:50:28] <Jymmm> ~/Desktop/Trash maybe?
[01:50:46] <andypugh> I deleted a file due to getting my 1 minute clicks out of phase. I have spent the last 15 minutes trying to get it back
[01:51:00] <Jymmm> ha ha
[01:52:17] <pfred1> I got no idea where the heck these files are
[01:52:36] <Jymmm> I have no pitty on you, when you can jsut get your ass up and walk to the shop/garage =)
[01:52:52] <andypugh> Stop laughing Jymmm , it's 3am here
[01:53:02] <pfred1> andypugh /home/pfred1/.local/share/Trash/files/con-reed.l#1
[01:53:03] <cliffb> ~/.local/share/Trash ..
[01:53:27] <Jymmm> What, your garage has a time limit ?
[01:53:27] <atmega> can someone explain 'end of move in home state 5'?
[01:54:17] <pfred1> really I'm used to you delete it its gone forever
[01:54:33] <pfred1> this concept if I delete it and it hangs out is sort of new to me
[01:55:00] <cliffb> atmega: It means while homing it moved futher than the axis length is specified in the INI
[01:56:14] <andypugh> My garage keyboard is horrible, and the trackball buttons are above the ball, it's a horrible place to try to write code
[01:56:17] <atmega> hmm.. thank you.
[01:56:18] <pfred1> andypugh digging up that filename was actually the first time I ever opened up the trash applet
[01:57:36] <pfred1> alias rm 'rm -f'
[01:58:10] <andypugh> Anyway, time to sleep. The remaining issues can wait
[01:58:17] <pfred1> andypugh thats the gold one you have right?
[01:58:55] <pfred1> a half a pound of metal chips in it can't help him much I can't imagine!
[06:46:08] <yann> yann is now known as Guest44755
[06:48:29] <bricofoy> hi
[06:48:42] <elmo401> hi
[06:51:07] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[06:53:34] <bricofoy> does someone knows if is there a way to change the gcode loaded by Axis at startup ?
[06:57:44] <pjm__> morning, yes i seem to recall its called axis.ngc u can change it in config file, just looking for the right file
[06:59:03] <pjm__> www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/config_...5BDISPLAY%5D-section
[06:59:03] <pjm__> In DISPLAY section in ini file:
[06:59:03] <pjm__> OPEN_FILE = /full/path/to/file.ngc
[07:02:08] <bricofoy> pjm, ok, but there is no "OPEN_FILE" line in my ini file, I will try adding one
[07:02:22] <pjm> yes thats it
[07:02:30] <pjm> under the display section
[07:04:58] <bricofoy> pjm, : ok, works fine !
[07:05:06] <bricofoy> thanks a lot !
[07:24:57] <pjm> np
[09:28:15] <EbiDK> http://blog.makezine.com/archive/2010/04/open_source_satellites_at_machine_p.html
[09:49:50] <alex_joni> wtf
[10:28:30] <bricofoy> http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xd4d6v_premier-essai-de-masticage_tech first (working ) try of my gluing machine :)
[11:42:46] <borud> hi, I am building a 3-axis CNC machine and I was wondering if anyone could recommend a cheap DC motor controller (for the spindle) that works well with EMC?
[12:39:59] <JT-Dev> cheap and "works well" usually are not compatible :)
[12:40:18] <JT-Dev> hi ho hi ho it's off to work I go
[13:21:55] <JT-Work> yea! the oil tank is out for delivery
[13:23:31] <Valen> DC and spindle is also an unusual combo
[13:24:12] <JT-Work> morning Valen
[13:24:33] <Valen> night JT-Work lol its 11:30 here lol
[14:24:11] <bricofoy> hi guys
[14:24:46] <bricofoy> does so knows of latency problems with Matrox G400 video card ?
[14:25:29] <cradek> I'm pretty sure I'm using some of those, and they work fine. You'll want to use software rendering I think.
[14:26:08] <bricofoy> On the system I use, P4 1.5GHz, 512Mo I got more than 220 000ns max jitter on servo-thread
[14:26:43] <bricofoy> so even with the higer time possible set in stepconf, I still get latency errors
[14:26:53] <cradek> yeah, that's not good, you've got a problem
[14:27:02] <cradek> did doing any particular thing cause it?
[14:27:02] <bricofoy> I know...
[14:27:06] <bricofoy> nope
[14:27:19] <bricofoy> just lauching some flash on firefox, for instance
[14:27:52] <bricofoy> but odd things, like opening g-code reference manual on pdf give the same result...
[14:29:47] <bricofoy> I use experimental packages for karmic, on a xubuntu system
[14:30:46] <bricofoy> well in fact there is just some moments the jitter time increases this way, usually it is about 13 500ns
[14:30:55] <cradek> did you install libgl1-mesa-swx11?
[14:31:07] <bricofoy> but I can't fugure out what causes the increase
[14:31:14] <bricofoy> I look
[14:33:09] <bricofoy> ok, I had libgl1-mesa-glx installed
[14:33:18] <bricofoy> I switched to the good one
[14:35:20] <cradek> good one?
[14:35:38] <bricofoy> swx11, as you said
[14:36:22] <bricofoy> but I see this one is pure software rendering, will not it be slower than the glx one ?
[14:36:55] <bricofoy> glx uses the hardware for rendering, so may be faster, no ?
[14:36:57] <cradek> yes definitely. but slow and usable is much better than fast and unusable
[14:37:30] <cradek> and for emc, software rendering is plenty fast enough. it's not like it's a video game.
[14:37:38] <cradek> anyway, see if it fixes your latency problem.
[14:37:42] <bricofoy> okay, so the delay I got can come from the graphic hardware ?
[14:37:46] <bricofoy> I look
[14:44:45] <herron> software can be interrupted, hardware driver may disable interrupts
[14:46:07] <bricofoy> ok, I was wondering why this. thanks
[14:46:20] <bricofoy> seems to work quite good now
[14:46:33] <cradek> yay
[14:47:35] <bricofoy> my latency time still keep under 26 000 ns even with glxgears running fullscreen, so I assume this is ok ?
[14:48:13] <cradek> yes that's fine
[14:48:37] <bricofoy> great ! thanks !
[14:51:52] <MattyMatt> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Single-Phase-Pantograph-Milling-Machine-/290426927185
[14:52:14] <MattyMatt> expensive, but the spindle + bed clamp look nice
[14:57:07] <MattyMatt> cradek saying * is enough is a trap in computers :)
[14:57:34] <atmega> what is a '2nd operation lathe'?
[14:59:01] <cradek> atmega: often that means no leadscrews
[14:59:30] <cradek> they're usually manually operated by levers, sometimes have a turret, used for little stuff like final chamfering or cutoff
[14:59:53] <atmega> http://raleigh.craigslist.org/tls/1715952087.html
[14:59:57] <atmega> $250
[15:00:42] <tom3p> bricofoy, i use a G400 in a P3 750Mhz system and found this to work for me
[15:00:42] <tom3p> 1st I set Bios to 'safe' or 'defaults' and made sure EMC2 ran
[15:00:42] <tom3p> ( ignore any 'unexpected realtime delay errors' for now.
[15:00:42] <tom3p> Next, in BIOS, turn EVERYTHING OFF that can be turned off,
[15:00:42] <tom3p> only enable things that prove to stop booting or video.
[15:00:42] <tom3p> recheck latency and this will be your best result.
[15:00:44] <tom3p> optional: re-enable BIOS elements one by one till latency suffers
[15:00:46] <tom3p> ^^ worked for me on a set 0f 8 different machines
[15:00:49] <cradek> atmega: worth a look if you're close, I bet
[15:01:38] <cradek> atmega: if just the 3 jaw chuck is good, it's probably worth the $250 because the taper mount is kind of rare
[15:02:07] <atmega> not too far away, but I have no way to haul it at the moment.
[15:02:28] <MattyMatt> my g400 wouldn't run at AGP 4x in a supposedly 4x mobo. I had to turn down to 2x
[15:04:01] <tom3p> mine was in a pci slot
[15:04:25] <MattyMatt> neat, so you can still use it
[15:04:44] <tom3p> also didnt see advantage of nv over vesa in latency tests
[15:05:24] <MattyMatt> there won't be. nv does all 2d accel with 3d hardware
[15:06:02] <MattyMatt> matrox does 3d accel with 2d hardware :) that's why they lost
[15:07:34] <MattyMatt> it was good GL tho, if not the fastest. the hardware worked more like the software equivalent
[15:08:44] <MattyMatt> I got them to send me the driver writer's docs once. I wish I still had those
[15:10:11] <bricofoy> tom3p, I will try wath you suggest
[15:10:17] <tom3p> sorry, on other boxes with cheap nvidia cards, nv driver was as trouble free as vesa driver ( and better rez )
[15:10:31] <bricofoy> in fact I had a nvidia card in this machine
[15:10:52] <bricofoy> but switched to the old G400 I have because of the latency problems
[15:12:29] <tom3p> did the G400 make latency better? or libgl1-mesa-swx11 ?
[15:19:08] <bricofoy> with the G400, latency was not really better, but at least rtai kernels boots all the time. with the nvidia card, I often got black screen and pc frozen just after grun loads the kernel.
[15:19:37] <bricofoy> and mesa-swx11 seems to have solved the latency problem :)
[15:28:47] <tom3p> great, i'll go back and check which gl is on these
[15:36:29] <bricofoy> goodevening everyone
[15:39:38] <grommit> I have encoders on my axis stepper motors and want to use them as a DRO as well as to stop the machine if there are errors. I found some stuff by a user JLMJVM who had done this a couple years back. I can't find his .hal and .ini files though. Does anyone have any pointers to these?
[15:57:53] <renesis> GUYS
[15:57:56] <renesis> UPS FUCKED UP
[15:58:09] <JT-Work> what's new with that?
[15:58:24] <renesis> they only held 2 of my 4 newegg packages, and they put the wrong inventory status sticker on it
[15:58:32] <renesis> and one box they held maybe went back to newegg
[15:58:33] <renesis> =(
[15:59:10] <renesis> kbbl maybe pick up the rest of my stuff
[16:14:06] <grommit> What does DTG(X,Y,Z) stand for in the AXIS DRO screen?
[16:20:23] <atmega> distance to go?
[16:21:23] <grommit> Ah, yes that makes sense, thx
[16:56:20] <grommit> Axis displays XYZ position in the preview and DRO displays. This value changes regardless of whether or not I have my encoders plugged in. Should it read the value from the encoders?
[16:57:37] <cradek> AXIS can display either commanded or feedback position in the DRO.
[16:58:13] <cradek> where feedback position comes from is a matter of how you hook it up in HAL
[16:59:12] <grommit> what do I need to hook to what to have it display encoder feedback?
[17:00:29] <grommit> I have (for X) hm2_7i43.0.encoder.00.position (I guess that is the thing, yes?) and should point that at what?
[17:06:40] <grommit> I just had an AHA moment!
[17:12:41] <grommit> pointed ypos-fb => axis.1.motor-pos-fb <= hm2_7i43.0.encoder.01.position and all is good
[17:20:52] <skunkworks_> cradek: http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/toolcard.JPG
[17:22:56] <cradek> sweet - just like I was suggesting you make
[17:23:32] <skunkworks_> heh - now I have to do octal instead...
[17:23:46] <cradek> was it for a different control? yours surely didn't have all that stuff?
[17:24:27] <atmega> is there a signal you can hook to a input pin to externally toggle Machine Power On in axis?
[17:24:29] <skunkworks_> no - I think the card was a bit newer... :)
[17:24:38] <skunkworks_> but it came with the machine
[17:24:43] <skunkworks_> (when we got it)
[17:24:44] <cradek> lucid was just released
[17:24:48] <cradek> yay
[17:24:56] <skunkworks_> on the back it says k&t
[17:25:50] <cradek> 12:24 <@slangasek> everyone give a warm welcome to our favorite cat, the 10.04 LTS
[17:25:53] <cradek> 12:24 <@slangasek> Lucid is here
[17:26:00] <cradek> (from #ubuntu-release-party)
[17:26:43] <skunkworks_> Great!
[17:28:28] <alex_joni> coo
[17:29:32] <alex_joni> atmega: you can connect to halui machine-on
[17:30:12] <alex_joni> G86 is really boring
[17:30:54] <atmega> alex_joni: thank you. Is there a list of those somewhere?
[17:31:29] <atmega> doesn't seem to be in the integrators manual or HAL manual
[17:34:53] <atmega> nevermind, found it... machine.on instead of machine-on
[17:38:26] <sealive> alex_joni: use G82 insted
[17:47:23] <atmega> net parport.0.pin-13-in => halui.machine.on ?
[17:50:36] <tom3p> 77777octal lets you have a lot of tools! 32767
[17:51:46] <skunkworks_> yep
[17:52:14] <skunkworks_> we have probably a few hundred.. but they would be easy to create though...
[17:53:13] <sealive> skunkworks_: all indirect mashine access
[17:54:03] <sealive> are they in a chain
[17:56:15] <sealive> http://www.miksch.de/image.php?nodeid=2214
[17:56:23] <skunkworks_> sealive: http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/conversion/toolchangerspindle.JPG
[17:57:03] <skunkworks_> sealive: similar
[17:57:17] <sealive> yes
[18:13:18] <MattyMatt> * MattyMatt posts that pic in #reprap
[18:15:20] <skunkworks_> * skunkworks_ wishes he would post them here.
[19:19:38] <DaViruz> i need a ball nose end mill where the ball is larger then the shaft
[19:19:46] <DaViruz> for making a undercut hole
[19:20:00] <DaViruz> i've never seen one, but surely they must exist?
[19:20:44] <awallin> grinding tools for sure
[19:20:55] <DaViruz> http://daviruz.meeep.net/adi/adapter.jpg
[19:20:56] <awallin> but for milling I haven't seen that
[19:21:07] <DaViruz> the wide hole on the other side is wider than the round hole
[19:21:15] <DaViruz> :-(
[19:21:51] <awallin> you could make a jig to hold that part upside down for a 2nd op
[19:22:06] <DaViruz> yeah
[19:22:11] <awallin> wtf 2.6gb to download...
[19:22:14] <awallin> for lucid
[19:22:46] <skunkworks_> heh - dvd, baby
[19:22:55] <DaViruz> i wonder if i could make that part on a lathe..
[19:23:04] <DaViruz> with spindle synchronized motion
[19:23:10] <DaViruz> and a boring tool with large clearance
[19:24:16] <awallin> seems the dvd torrent is the way to go
[19:40:26] <MattyMatt> DaViruz: one with round inserts
[19:46:30] <DaViruz> never seen one that can cut on the top
[19:46:48] <DaViruz> if yoyu know of one i would be thrilled :)
[19:52:14] <tom3p> woohoo dloaded lucid & md5sum'd ok
[19:53:45] <tom3p> awallin, need the dvd? else wget http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/daily-live/current/lucid-desktop-i386.iso
[19:54:23] <tom3p> 733,419,520 bytes
[20:24:20] <skunkworks_> awallin: here it is only 699MB
[20:55:24] <MarkusBec> MarkusBec is now known as MarkusBec_away
[20:58:44] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[21:01:30] <DaViruz> http://piclair.com/tublu
[21:01:33] <DaViruz> turned out pretty well
[21:14:36] <skunkworks_> DaViruz: very nice!
[21:51:11] <JT-Hardinge> DaViruz: very nice what did you engrave it with?
[21:51:39] <DaViruz> i didn't do it, a friend with a cnc router
[21:52:30] <DaViruz> i believe he called it a paralell engraving cutter
[21:52:46] <DaViruz> pretty tiny thing, 0.3mm diameter
[21:52:58] <DaViruz> (the tool that is)
[21:53:03] <JT-Hardinge> Ok, I have some of those single flute engravers
[21:53:40] <JT-Hardinge> Looks nice
[21:54:55] <DaViruz> i really like this engraving laminate stuff :)
[21:55:58] <atmega> what is the material?
[21:56:25] <atmega> and what did you generate the paths with?
[22:13:51] <DaViruz> atmega: the material is http://www.cnc-plus.de/Materials/Engraving-Material/
[22:14:13] <DaViruz> atmega: the layout was made in qcad, and the toolpaths were generated by vectric cut2D
[22:22:41] <Valen> http://senorgif.com/2010/03/11/funny-animated-gifs-this-seems-accurate-3/
[22:57:44] <mikegg> hey guys, is this a good computer candidate? http://atlanta.craigslist.org/nat/sys/1715597698.html
[22:57:47] <morficmobile> cradek: is there a way to keep G98 from affecting the retract plane during the pecking, and only have it retract to R regardless? G98 is great to jump over clamps, but to rapid up to initial Z adds up quick over a thousand holes
[22:58:24] <mikegg> Hyperthreading would need to be disable right?
[23:08:58] <Bob__11brookway> anyone there
[23:20:35] <morficmobile> how's your i810 coming along?
[23:21:26] <Bob__11brookway> You meen the d510 card with the missing module?
[23:22:04] <Bob__11brookway> I am booting moblin on it at the moment
[23:32:30] <Bob__11brookway> Still have not gotten the i810 module to install in with a build following Dave911 instructions.
[23:52:18] <andypugh> I thought that the VB default "pass by reference" before I found out how complicated the C "pass by value" makes things.
[23:52:45] <andypugh> (That sentence lacks the clause "was stupid")
[23:53:22] <morficmobile> i won't judge, i'm "Mr. Half Sentence" myself :/
[23:54:55] <andypugh> All these pointers and dereferenced pointers and whatever "->" means make my head hurt.