#emc | Logs for 2010-03-27

[00:04:26] <frallzor> im allmost proud of these internal cables!
[00:04:31] <frallzor> looks nice!
[00:05:23] <pfred1> frallzor I've been doing a little research on optocouplers after saying how slow they can be and have decided to upgrade mine because some I'm using are really dog slow!
[00:06:59] <frallzor> =)
[00:07:18] <frallzor> I even got some color coding noe!
[00:07:24] <frallzor> *now
[00:07:26] <pfred1> even "fast" optocouplers are rarely faster than a microsecond
[00:07:46] <pfred1> and in the world of electronics thats still dog slow
[00:08:12] <toastydeath> but in the world of dogs
[00:08:19] <toastydeath> that's practically instantaneous
[00:08:41] <pfred1> yup but when it comes to stepper timing it is bad news
[00:09:24] <frallzor> yeeey cables done
[00:13:25] <TD-Linux> your step motors can complete a step in a microsecond?
[00:13:55] <pfred1> TD-Linux its not completing it I am worried about
[00:14:28] <pfred1> TD-Linux setup and rise times do matter
[00:15:59] <frallzor> work of art! I am... THE CABLEMASTER
[00:19:26] <VernonM> hahaha
[00:19:28] <GoTschA_> GoTschA_ is now known as GoTschA
[00:21:12] <pfred1> TD-Linux and directly I have driven my motor drivers with a 23 us clock too
[00:21:39] <pfred1> so in that I's say a us here or there does in fact matter!
[00:22:41] <pfred1> even these 3 us optos aren't lookingexactly stellar to me right now
[00:32:47] <pfred1> when I saw it I had to laugh: http://www.futurlec.com/Mini_SMCC.shtml
[00:37:22] <pfred1> wholly crap their PCB service seems pretty reasonable to me
[00:38:00] <pfred1> http://www.futurlec.com/PCBService.shtml
[00:46:40] <atmega> I wanted a CNC router/mill so I could make PCB's to make a CNC router/mill
[00:47:53] <pfred1> atmega yeah but at $6.35 a board let someone else inhale the fiberglass dust!
[00:48:13] <atmega> I could let someoen else make the router
[00:48:22] <pfred1> I can't do much better than that buying bare board really
[00:48:24] <atmega> hmm... actually I did.
[00:48:44] <atmega> like $7 for 4x6 at RS
[00:49:31] <pfred1> but yeah I do like to do it myself
[00:50:01] <pfred1> like if I do it myself i can make one and then make changes if I need to
[00:50:06] <atmega> teh guy I bought my router frame from sent me a new, unbent one for free
[00:50:33] <pfred1> well not much use for a bent one now is there?
[00:51:15] <atmega> I'm going to try to retrofit with all the linear bearings/rails/etc I accumulated when I was going to make my own.
[00:51:32] <pfred1> the bent one?
[00:51:38] <atmega> yeah
[00:52:10] <pfred1> I worked as a die plater once and after we heat treated the dies they'd warp sometimes we never had much luck straightneing them out but we tried
[00:52:35] <atmega> the most bent thing was a 1/2" acme, he already replaced it
[00:52:42] <pfred1> which taught me the simple fact that once stuff is bent its really hard to unbend it
[00:53:16] <pfred1> I mean we had a 100 ton press and whatnot
[00:53:36] <pfred1> but still the stuff never was quite flat ever again
[00:53:48] <atmega> heh... during the day, I make nuclear fuel... it goes in tubes. We have a tube straightener that bends the hell out of the tubes in-process and they come out perfect
[00:54:12] <pfred1> roller?
[00:54:29] <atmega> multi-convoluted funky roller thingie
[00:54:33] <atmega> that's a technical term
[00:54:42] <pfred1> yeah rollers can make stuff flat and or straight
[00:55:16] <pfred1> but other methods of straighting aren't all that swift really
[00:55:46] <pfred1> you end up with stuff that is offset
[00:55:52] <atmega> anyway, new rails with real bearings and it will probably be straight(er anyway)
[00:57:59] <pfred1> man when we heat treated those dies it was wild we'd soak them in liquid arsenic for like 4 or 6 hours and when I'd pull them out you'd swear they were almost translucent like you could just about see through 1 inch thick steel plates
[00:59:18] <pfred1> in the morning I'd come in and fire up the oven and it was this shite powder but by the time it was up to temp it was like the 7th circle of hell in there all glowing
[01:00:15] <pfred1> s/shite/white/g;
[01:00:39] <Jymmm> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/tls/1663186482.html
[01:00:40] <pfred1> this white shite would be apt
[01:01:12] <pfred1> Jymmm thats cheesy
[01:01:35] <Jymmm> pfred1: like I care?
[01:01:43] <pfred1> * pfred1 prefers the 4 handles easier to get an elbow on it too
[01:02:00] <pfred1> when I'm drilling all day I wrap the handle
[01:02:14] <pfred1> evne the threes suck compared to the 4s
[01:03:02] <pfred1> Jymmm if you don't care then don't post the links
[01:03:08] <Jymmm> pfred1: Quit being such a diva ya Diva!
[01:03:21] <Jymmm> pfred1: If you dont like them dont read them
[01:03:34] <pfred1> Jymmm how do I know until I look?
[01:03:46] <Jymmm> pfred1: then dont look.
[01:03:53] <pfred1> does it look like i have Google tattooed across my forehead to you or something?
[01:11:04] <frallzor> yes, yes you do
[01:11:24] <atmega> or at least written in sharpie
[01:14:13] <pfred1> oh nice the asians still sell lead solder
[01:40:39] <MarkusBec> MarkusBec is now known as MarkusBec_away
[02:01:36] <Guest401> Are there any other screens avialable for emc (ie: custom buttons/screens)
[02:01:58] <terrylm> like what?
[02:02:23] <terrylm> in axis?
[02:03:03] <Guest401> want more stuff on the screen like tool number,offsets that sort of thing
[02:03:19] <terrylm> Oh...
[02:03:21] <pfred1> widgits?
[02:03:26] <Guest401> in a seperate box
[02:03:36] <terrylm> Use the side panel...
[02:04:39] <terrylm> It is done with an xml file, see some of the examples supplied with emc.
[02:04:46] <Guest401> i can use emc2 but programmming is a different story
[02:05:07] <terrylm> not programming really, simpler.
[02:05:33] <terrylm> one moment and I'll track down an example for you.
[02:06:20] <Guest401> like to make it look similar to haas or mazek layout
[02:06:28] <Guest401> not much on the default one
[02:07:17] <Guest401> have things grouped togeather on one screen that you can see at a glance
[02:07:20] <cradek> Guest401: tool number and offsets are at the bottom of the screen
[02:08:34] <cradek> maybe you'd like to try the other guis - there are several of them - but I think none of the others are as easy to use as the default, AXIS.
[02:10:07] <Guest401> just wondering if others have made guis that are downloadable
[02:10:09] <terrylm> In the wiki see http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?PyVCP althought this info looks more complicated then it really is.
[02:10:29] <terrylm> Let me see if I can find something simpler...
[02:10:40] <pfred1> terrylm Nothing starts out complicated, it just gets that way ...
[02:10:53] <terrylm> good point
[02:11:12] <pfred1> was a line i heard in a movie a long time ago and it sorta stuck with me
[02:11:19] <Guest401> that looks reasonable
[02:11:40] <pfred1> I think Don Johnson said it
[02:12:04] <Guest401> being windows linux still looks like a mystery
[02:12:20] <pfred1> truth is its Windows thats the mystery
[02:12:40] <pfred1> if you really want ot know something about linux its all there
[02:13:01] <cradek> the best thing you could do to get used to EMC is to just use it - you do not have to start by inventing a custom GUI like you might feel you have to in some other softwares :-)
[02:13:46] <cradek> but do try out the different ones - in particular if you're making a front panel for a machine, you might try out touchy if you think a touchscreen and no keyboard/mouse is good for your machine
[02:14:22] <cradek> the other guis including AXIS are made to be extremely keyboardable - you do not need to use the mouse for anything.
[02:16:38] <terrylm> Humm, I did not find anything else...
[02:17:28] <terrylm> I picked it up from the examples that came with the EMC install, look for ones that have an xml file with them.
[02:17:50] <Guest401> ok
[02:18:00] <Guest401> will do some playing
[02:18:23] <terrylm> That is the best way to learn.
[02:19:55] <pfred1> that, and get a real /nick ....
[02:21:59] <terrylm> In sort though, the xml file defines container widgets (hbox vbox) within which one puts display items or buttons or whatever, these items you name to make them have hal pins. Then in the postgui.hal file, note the POST gui file, just hook things together using net .... .
[02:50:49] <terrylm> Guest401: If you are still here, do not know why I did not think of this earlier, but: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/EMC2_Integrator_Manual.pdf
[02:51:06] <pfred1> terrylm they left long ago 22:19 -!- Guest401 [EMCIRCUser@CPE0060673b2e91-CM00169242b37e.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has quit [Quit: Visitor from www.linuxcnc.org]
[02:51:40] <terrylm> Thought so, but did not see the message saying so, so was not sure.
[02:52:06] <pfred1> mIRC client?
[02:53:37] <terrylm> XChat
[02:54:13] <pfred1> yeah i haven't used that one in a long time
[02:54:20] <terrylm> It nearly always prints messages when people join and leave.
[02:54:43] <pfred1> I use IRSSI now used BitchX for a long time but its abandonware now
[02:55:20] <pfred1> it had some nice features that I miss though
[02:55:42] <terrylm> I tried about four different IRC clients, found most of them to be hard to use or confusing, XChat seem to work for me.
[02:56:18] <pfred1> I don't usually do anything too technical with IRC
[02:57:25] <terrylm> The only thing I use it for is to chat on this channel. I have no idea what all features it has or how to use them.
[02:57:48] <pfred1> hmm yes most of it does seem to do with sex messaging to me
[02:58:01] <pfred1> /cdcc dcc chats and whatnot ...
[02:58:06] <terrylm> The color display is nice.
[02:58:26] <pfred1> most chans kick users for using colors
[02:59:09] <terrylm> I mean, colors on my display, like if someone puts my name in a line it turns red to me.
[02:59:20] <pfred1> oh nick highlighting
[02:59:30] <terrylm> I guess
[02:59:31] <pfred1> yeah thats your client doing that
[02:59:41] <terrylm> right
[02:59:48] <pfred1> mine bolds my nick and highlights it if its the first word on a line
[03:00:25] <pfred1> yeah the other users nick is bright yellow
[03:00:26] <terrylm> Ya, same sort of thing.
[03:00:37] <pfred1> * pfred1 had to scroll back some to check ...
[03:01:03] <pfred1> that's a /me command BTW
[03:01:18] <pfred1> type /me checks out the me command
[03:02:03] <pfred1> mine puts an asterick in front of my nick when I me me
[03:02:32] <terrylm> what I've not figured out is that sometimes there is an asterisk instead of a nick, then the nick at the start of the line, like you just did: * pfred1 had to scroll back some to check ...
[03:02:45] <pfred1> yeah thats a me
[03:02:53] <pfred1> do it type /me is doing a me
[03:03:16] <terrylm> * terrylm like this?
[03:03:18] <terrylm> oh
[03:03:21] <pfred1> yup thats a me
[03:03:38] <pfred1> thats about as advanced as i get on IRC
[03:03:49] <pfred1> well that and /msg
[03:03:51] <terrylm> not sure what the point is?
[03:04:00] <pfred1> its a highlight
[03:04:17] <terrylm> ok
[03:04:24] <pfred1> that didn't go out to the channel
[03:04:38] <pfred1> it looked like this: /msg terrylm this is a personal message
[03:04:50] <pfred1> oh here's another handy one
[03:04:55] <pfred1> Fri Mar 26 23:04:55 EDT 2010
[03:05:13] <pfred1> that's this: /exec -o date
[03:05:15] <terrylm> oh ya, I know about msg, though I don't much use it.
[03:05:25] <pfred1> you can exec commands to your output
[03:05:28] <terrylm> neat
[03:05:40] <pfred1> Linux spot 2.6.31-20-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Fri Mar 12 05:23:09 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux
[03:05:43] <pfred1> /exec -o uname -a
[03:05:59] <pfred1> yeah it can be semi handy sometimes
[03:06:06] <terrylm> Do those commands run on my box? or the IRC server?
[03:06:24] <terrylm> Ah, my box.
[03:06:26] <pfred1> yeah they're local with the output sent through the IRC client
[03:06:38] <terrylm> Linux terry-laptop 2.6.28-17-generic #58-Ubuntu SMP Tue Dec 1 21:27:25 UTC 2009 x86_64 GNU/Linux
[03:06:40] <pfred1> same as you'd get in a terminal window
[03:07:05] <terrylm> Got it, thanks
[03:07:09] <pfred1> np
[03:07:20] <pfred1> thats the full extent of my IRC bag o trix
[03:07:36] <terrylm> Learn something new every day... sometimes.
[03:07:49] <pfred1> yeah whether its useful or not remains to be seen
[03:09:00] <terrylm> Well, one could use cat to spit a hal config or ini file onto the IRC. That would be a bit much though:)
[03:09:18] <pfred1> yeah thats what /#flood is for and even they don't appreciate it much
[03:09:33] <pfred1> well /join #flood
[03:09:47] <pfred1> really pastebin is where its at for stuff like that
[03:10:13] <terrylm> Yes, I used pastebin a couple of times now.
[03:10:14] <pfred1> proper IRC ett9iquite limits one to about 4 lines of output
[03:10:32] <pfred1> past that most good chans have an auto-flood kickbot
[03:11:05] <terrylm> OK, I'll remember that.
[03:11:07] <pfred1> this chan could use a few handy dandy bots
[03:11:46] <pfred1> if you want to see some neat IRC bots on this network join ##politics they have a couple of nice ones in there
[03:13:28] <terrylm> That's OK, I'll pass. politics just pis... me off. poly=many, tics=blood sucking parasites.
[03:13:32] <pfred1> oh then there's nickserv
[03:13:47] <terrylm> I use that to identify.
[03:14:07] <pfred1> try this /msg nickserv info terrylm
[03:14:18] <terrylm> ok
[03:14:28] <pfred1> you cna do that to any registered user
[03:14:44] <pfred1> BTW if you hang out here a lot its a good idea to get a cloak
[03:15:08] <pfred1> * pfred1 is cloaked ...
[03:16:17] <terrylm> ah, as I suspected! the name terrym is also me, from a year ago. I forgot the password...
[03:16:33] <pfred1> heh
[03:17:01] <pfred1> if no one uses it for a while it'll go inactive back to the pool thats what happened to my nick
[03:17:35] <terrylm> How long does that take?
[03:17:54] <pfred1> I donno couple of years I'd imagine
[03:18:35] <pfred1> I forget the admin channel on this network but they'd be able to help you out in there
[03:18:52] <pfred1> #help maybe? nah its some channel
[03:19:05] <terrylm> Well, back to EMC stuff, I did have a quesiton...
[03:19:34] <terrylm> Has anyone used a game controller with emc?
[03:20:45] <terrylm> I got an interface board that I can plug those playstation handles into.
[03:21:52] <terrylm> The plan is to use the little joy stick on it, or some of the pressure sensitive buttons to jog with.
[03:23:50] <terrylm> pfred1: cloak, what? how? why?
[03:24:07] <pfred1> well not everyone you meet on IRC is nice
[03:24:26] <pfred1> and i think the channel where you get them is called #staff on this network
[03:24:46] <terrylm> So what does a cloak do for you?
[03:24:57] <pfred1> /whois pfred1
[03:25:02] <terrylm> ok
[03:25:26] <pfred1> 23:25 -!- pfred1 [~pfred1@unaffiliated/pfred1]
[03:25:27] <terrylm> nothing.
[03:25:31] <pfred1> thats my cloak
[03:25:45] <pfred1> 23:25 -!- terrylm [~terry@]
[03:25:52] <pfred1> thats your IP hanging out in the breeze
[03:26:03] <pfred1> see the difference?
[03:26:18] <terrylm> Oh, sort of, that is the outside of my ISPs filewall.
[03:26:58] <terrylm> ... then I have my own firewall ... then I have a linux box.
[03:27:30] <pfred1> then there's IRC users with big enough zombie bot networks to take your ISP down with
[03:28:03] <pfred1> and they're usually the most annoying users too!
[03:28:08] <terrylm> As for my email address, it has been on the 'Net for so long that it is everywhere, every spammer already has it. That is why I use ASK.
[03:28:34] <pfred1> well I can't see your email
[03:28:49] <pfred1> you can when you whois you or info you but I can't
[03:29:47] <terrylm> Oh, it's terry@mackintoshweb.com if you ever need it. Again, I use ASK, a challenge / response system.
[03:31:04] <terrylm> ASK is great, I used to get over 2000 junk emails a week, and that was a decade ago, probably more now. Currently about five a week make it through.
[03:31:14] <pfred1> nice!
[03:32:00] <pfred1> I setup a commercial email account once and actually used the word spam in it and al lthe brilliant spambot scropts stripped the word out
[03:32:04] <pfred1> and i never got spam
[03:32:40] <pfred1> so if your emai lwas say terryspam@mackintoshweb.com you'd be surprised how much that'd cut down on spam
[03:32:45] <terrylm> really?
[03:32:50] <pfred1> yeah it shocked me
[03:33:36] <pfred1> you know most people fudge spam into their email to avoid it but i found actually having spam in your email avoids it even more though I would have to specifically tell lots NOT to take it out
[03:34:03] <pfred1> which is sort of a hassle in reverse in a way
[03:34:47] <pfred1> life is largly counter-intuitive
[03:35:51] <terrylm> ya, for ASK see: http://sourceforge.net/projects/a-s-k/
[06:35:09] <ChanServ> [#emc] "This is the #emc channel - talk related to the Enhanced Machine Controller and general machining. Website: http://www.linuxcnc.org/, wiki at http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/"
[07:11:38] <Tecan> i installed emc whats the root pw ?
[07:13:48] <Valen> whatever you set it to
[07:13:58] <Valen> ubuntu doesn't have a root password by default
[07:17:15] <alex_joni> Tecan: you use sudo on your account for root powers
[07:17:15] <Tecan> is 8.04 still updated enough to be used as a daily driver ?
[07:17:19] <alex_joni> yup
[07:17:25] <Tecan> cooleo
[07:18:27] <Tecan> it keeps starting up only to blank the screen ang go back to the login
[07:19:16] <alex_joni> sounds like X is having issues
[07:19:31] <Valen> 8.04 is ok, 10.04 is coming out soonish
[07:19:33] <alex_joni> try sudo dpkg-reconfigure xserver (or something like that)
[07:19:47] <Tecan> i've had this issue before with using existing user accounts
[07:19:51] <alex_joni> check the xserver package using "dpkg -l | grep xserver"
[07:19:57] <Tecan> going to try a fresh account
[07:22:41] <Valen> ctrl + alt +f1 then nano /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[07:22:52] <Valen> read through the log and see whats happening
[07:25:39] <Tecan> yay worked
[08:00:50] <teca> does anyone know what would cause a pulsing sound comming from my laptop with emc ?
[08:01:32] <teca> its making a hissing and pulsing noise every second
[08:06:20] <teca> going to turn off sideport video
[08:20:20] <Valen> anybody done anything with thread milling?
[08:20:26] <Valen> IE not ridgid tapping
[08:48:09] <archivist> valen sure
[08:52:28] <archivist> Valen, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbp8SJ9RxqI
[09:15:35] <archivist> getting a lot of /usr/lib/wx/include/gtk2-unicode-release-2.8/wx/setup.h:1053:1: warning: "HAVE_IOSTREAM" redefined
[09:22:43] <archivist> heh wrong chan for that last one
[09:55:15] <Valen> archivist: what type cutter are you using on that, and how good you think it'll turn out on an x/y machine?
[09:55:47] <Valen> some people want us to cut a ~1.5" pipe thread
[09:56:34] <archivist> make a holder for a tip then you get perfect thread
[09:56:52] <Valen> how do you mean?
[09:57:31] <Valen> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T43DrVzlPnA&feature=related not a good idea
[09:57:32] <archivist> there will be a delay before I show, the box is being hammered by 1 cc1 compilers
[09:57:57] <Valen> dude you really need a quad core or something lol
[10:05:58] <anonimasu> hm, I wonder if it's completely impossible to create a 5v~ sinus adapter for heidenhain scales..
[10:06:07] <anonimasu> so I can use my rotary table for the big mill
[10:06:51] <archivist> that one should have been 7
[10:37:04] <archivist> Valen, took a while http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/djcpd/PD/2008/2008_10_07_cnc_Thread_mill_tool/p1010245.jpg
[10:37:19] <piasdom> g'mornin all
[10:37:44] <archivist> see also http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/djcpd/PD/2008/2008_10_07_cnc_Tread_milling_worm_and_wheel/
[10:37:53] <Valen> oh right you just did it with a tooth cutter
[10:38:02] <Valen> same as you would see on a lathe?
[10:38:43] <Valen> but spinning obviously
[10:38:58] <Valen> thats some pretty work there
[10:39:20] <Valen> howd you make the tool holder? really really little end mill?
[10:41:45] <archivist> yes
[10:42:03] <Valen> really need a high speed spindle on ours lol
[10:42:06] <archivist> well 2 or 3mm endmill
[10:42:08] <Valen> that or bolt a dremel on
[10:43:21] <archivist> single tooth cutter ls not nice on the insert :)
[10:43:57] <archivist> but it means I can do the odd obscure threads
[10:44:11] <Valen> we only need to cut 6 of them
[10:45:29] <Valen> but there is probably a number of different threads lol
[10:51:00] <archivist> I made the cutter to do some antique miners lamps
[10:53:13] <Valen> its a shame we dont make stuff out of brass any more
[10:54:53] <archivist> I also make flycutters, gring the form with a dremel under a magnifier to a similar thread form, it will be near enough
[10:55:00] <archivist> grind
[10:55:40] <Valen> this is for a swageloc fitting
[10:55:51] <Valen> its going to be pressurised to ~1400PSI
[10:56:02] <Valen> needs to be pretty good lol
[10:57:11] <archivist> then buying an insert and making something up means you can make it oversize, measure and recut a few thou closer
[10:58:08] <Valen> cutting the internal thread
[10:58:18] <Valen> but yeah I get yer meaning
[10:58:21] <archivist> I often fiddle gcode after a measure to get accuracy
[10:58:47] <Valen> hard part is it needs a really nice V in the top for an o ring to sit in
[10:58:58] <Valen> basically looks like a countersink
[10:59:14] <Valen> I'm thinking of getting a conical milling bit or something if they exist
[10:59:28] <Valen> that or making up a booring bar style thing with the right end on it
[10:59:36] <archivist> simple with a hand ground cutter
[11:00:02] <Valen> is an inch and a half across though, and needs to be as close to perfect as possible,
[11:00:10] <Valen> what you think of boring bar style?
[11:00:13] <archivist> I do want a cutter grinder though
[11:01:34] <archivist> cutter only needs to be small, you go around the edge/whatever
[11:01:51] <Valen> yeah I was worried about it not being round then
[11:02:07] <Valen> the X and Y on ours hasn't been measured yet ;->
[11:02:23] <Valen> actually I might see if i can get them to just weld the attachment on
[11:02:32] <Valen> wont leak then ;->
[11:02:51] <archivist> I rotate the item :)
[11:51:41] <JT-Dev> * JT-Dev gives up trying to install a floppy drive in the Gateway and restores it back to the Gateway way
[12:29:09] <anonimasu> Valen: they do exist
[12:29:16] <anonimasu> conical bits
[12:30:28] <Valen> I figured as much
[12:42:49] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[12:49:34] <JT-Dev> * JT-Dev wanders out to the shop to see if I can find my g-code file on the Windoz machine from the Hardinge...
[13:01:16] <JT-Hardinge> hmm, I can see the plasma coumputer and something called STROUD on my network browser but not any of the computers down in the beer cave
[13:23:33] <JT-Hardinge> I can see both computers down stairs from each other and all 4 can find the net but neither computer out in the shop can see any computers in the beer cave
[13:24:05] <piasdom> maybe the bear kicked a wire
[13:24:26] <piasdom> oops
[13:24:38] <piasdom> i REALLY need to learn how to read
[13:33:07] <JT-Dev> lol
[13:34:51] <archivist> beer barrel is sitting on the network cable stopping teh bits, drink teh beer to lighten the barrel
[13:36:53] <Jymmm> http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/03/26/dnt.la.bees.on.car.wafb?hpt=T2
[13:37:47] <JT-Dev> the bits get from me to you so that can't be it besides I drank all the beer yesterday
[13:38:11] <archivist> Jymmm, that link crashed firefox
[13:38:26] <JT-Dev> I have a wireless router down here and it is connected to the switch up in the shop
[13:38:51] <Jymmm> archivist: Works fine for me
[16:04:00] <MrSunshine__> hmm milling in pure copper how does that work ? :)
[16:06:47] <cradek> badly
[16:14:12] <archivist> copper work hardens and is sticky
[16:14:23] <MrSunshine__> mm
[16:14:54] <Danimal-office> morning
[16:14:59] <archivist> so cut the right amount with lube and a sharp cutter
[16:15:13] <cradek> you have to cut it very slow, sharp tool, lots of flood coolant
[16:15:28] <Danimal-office> cut what?
[16:15:32] <cradek> copper
[16:15:33] <archivist> copper
[16:15:36] <Danimal-office> ah
[16:15:44] <cradek> like 50 sfm
[16:15:59] <cradek> I've heard milk is the best coolant for copper but I've not tried it (ick)
[16:16:07] <archivist> sharp so you cut and dont shear
[16:16:57] <archivist> which goes against the abuse you can give brass
[16:17:15] <Danimal-office> my belt is slipping on the HNC quite badly, do you think automotive belt dressing would work?
[16:17:41] <cradek> I don't think it even works on cars :-)
[16:17:54] <Danimal-office> yea, i know it doesnt on newer belts
[16:18:32] <Danimal-office> i need to find a way to get this thing to stop slipping
[16:18:35] <archivist> I used to use stuff on my southbend, but it was sticky and would make in squeak as it wore off
[16:18:43] <Danimal-office> it's costing me alot of money in inserts
[16:19:01] <cradek> tried new belts?
[16:19:24] <Danimal-office> can you even get those belts? They're kind of odd
[16:19:34] <Danimal-office> the big ones for the varidrive
[16:20:12] <cradek> I'd hope so... but I don't know where.
[16:20:28] <archivist> run out of adjustment?
[16:20:32] <Danimal-office> they're not flat belts, but they're not v belts either
[16:20:40] <Danimal-office> there's no adjustment
[16:20:47] <Danimal-office> as far as i can tell
[16:20:50] <cradek> right, wide but with V type sides
[16:20:55] <Danimal-office> yep
[16:21:29] <archivist> does the drive use a spring for take up
[16:21:45] <archivist> to close one of the pulleys
[16:22:13] <Danimal-office> archivist, do you know how a variable speed head on a bridgeport works?
[16:22:33] <cradek> good question - I wonder if that's free and the right pressure
[16:22:40] <archivist> no, but seen a few arrangements
[16:22:57] <cradek> there must be springs and sliding bits somewhere
[16:23:14] <archivist> or adjustment for said spring
[16:23:28] <JT-Hardinge> Danimal-office: you can get them from McMaster Carr here is one 1922V256
[16:23:32] <Danimal-office> yea, the pulleys are split in the middle, and they have spring pressure to push them together.
[16:23:40] <JT-Hardinge> $40-$50
[16:23:54] <cradek> Danimal-office: have you checked to make sure that stuff is all free?
[16:24:20] <cradek> I have not heard of slipping as a problem for varispeed before
[16:24:28] <Danimal-office> JT-Hardinge, that number is invalid
[16:24:41] <Danimal-office> cradek, no, but i suppose i could
[16:25:01] <JT-Hardinge> 7885K11
[16:25:01] <archivist> I have a varispeed in the Schaublin
[16:25:07] <JT-Hardinge> that was the trade sizew
[16:25:10] <JT-Hardinge> size
[16:26:11] <Danimal-office> JT-Dev, i dont think that's the right belt for the hnc
[16:26:20] <Danimal-office> JT-Hardinge*
[16:26:29] <JT-Hardinge> lol I'm over here
[16:26:38] <JT-Hardinge> wrong shape?
[16:26:58] <Danimal-office> the length seems short
[16:27:24] <JT-Hardinge> well you have to pick a length I just grabbed one as a sample
[16:27:30] <Danimal-office> ah ok
[16:27:32] <Danimal-office> thanks
[16:27:41] <Danimal-office> i think one isnt in great shape
[16:27:41] <JT-Hardinge> you need to measure the OD of the belt
[16:27:49] <JT-Hardinge> sorry circ
[16:28:18] <Danimal-office> mine isnt cogged though
[16:28:49] <Danimal-office> it rides on a flat pulley as well as the v pulley
[16:29:27] <Danimal-office> wonder if it matters
[16:31:04] <Danimal-office> i wish there was an easy way to bypass the vari speed pulleys
[16:34:15] <Danimal-office> it's funny, i'm getting titanium for almost half the cost of stainless now.. i need to find a new supplier for 17-4ph
[17:31:14] <elmo401> elmo401 is now known as elmo40
[17:32:09] <elmo40> Danimal-office: half the cost of stainless? by the pound? :P
[17:32:30] <JT-Hardinge> after a canned cycle do you have to issue a G80?
[17:33:07] <elmo40> it may error, unless it is the last thing such as m30
[17:33:14] <sealive> good evening from germany
[17:33:21] <elmo40> sealive: afternoon from canada
[17:33:49] <frallzor> eyy sealive, have you heard about brunkabel?
[17:33:54] <sealive> we have havy rain here
[17:33:55] <elmo40> the map of people using EMC doesn't display my location :( I have all the info in the profile.
[17:34:06] <elmo40> cold but sunny day here
[17:34:19] <frallzor> *brunskabel even
[17:38:07] <sealive> frallzor: http://www.brunskabel.de/Drupal/produkte
[17:38:45] <frallzor> well that doesnt answer my Q :P
[17:39:05] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge has successfully spot drilled the end of the do-hickey I'm making by reading the manual but not on the first try :/
[17:39:17] <frallzor> many shitty unknown products have sites =) I have never heard about them, have you? :)
[17:39:25] <frallzor> (since they are german)
[17:39:41] <sealive> i move on have a nice suturday and a lucky weekend
[17:41:03] <elmo40> JT-Hardinge: reading the manual is *usually* the first thing one is supposed to do... but we are Men, we don't need no stinkin' manuals/maps/mechanics ;)
[17:41:52] <Danimal-office> elmo, for the same dimensional piece
[17:42:12] <sealive> elmo just doo it
[17:42:24] <Danimal-office> maybe not quite half, but pretty close
[17:42:35] <Danimal-office> 6al4v too
[17:42:50] <sealive> if there is no power cable be schure to have a hammer byside
[17:43:15] <sealive> if ther is one take a bottle of water!
[17:43:47] <sealive> both will give you a crunchy work
[17:43:52] <sealive> :D XD :DD
[17:43:57] <sealive> G8
[17:50:18] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge likes the max velocity slider for peck drilling
[17:53:19] <frallzor> how helpful he was =)
[18:16:05] <DaViruz> my cam software produces utterly useless toolpaths for peck drilling :/
[18:20:28] <elmo40> zig-zagging?
[18:20:50] <elmo40> which cam software
[18:21:40] <JT-Hardinge> sweet! the part came out nice and with a 0.125" diameter hole 1.75" deep... my first part on the Hardinge
[18:21:52] <DaViruz> Vectric Cut2D
[18:22:16] <elmo40> DaViruz: free?
[18:22:21] <elmo40> JT-Hardinge: nice
[18:22:26] <DaViruz> no, about $120
[18:22:35] <elmo40> worth it?
[18:22:38] <JT-Hardinge> yea, cause it is a PIA part to make on the manual lathe
[18:22:42] <DaViruz> to me it is at least
[18:25:38] <aa-danimal-shop> nice John!
[18:27:28] <JT-Hardinge> thanks Dan
[18:28:34] <JT-Hardinge> anyone have any idea about tip radius and the pressure on the part? ie will a smaller tip radius work better with a long skinny part?
[18:29:27] <JT-Hardinge> this one I just used was a CNMG 322-M3 with a tip radius of 0.031"
[18:29:40] <archivist> sliding heads win on skinny stuff
[18:29:44] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge wonders if a 321 would have been better
[18:30:04] <elmo40> DaViruz: have you tried heeksCNC? http://code.google.com/p/heekscnc/
[18:30:07] <JT-Hardinge> archivist: all I have is the CHNC I
[18:30:41] <JT-Hardinge> or the manual which has a tailstock
[18:30:43] <aa-danimal-shop> JT-Hardinge, smaller radius means less tool pressure, which means less part deflection
[18:31:09] <JT-Hardinge> I kinda thought so but it is good to get some feedback
[18:31:28] <archivist> JT-Hardinge, for normal lathes at the clock works we would only pushou a short bit rough it the pull more out, then finish with a tailstock center
[18:31:51] <JT-Hardinge> the CHNC doesn't have a tail stock
[18:32:05] <archivist> and sharp as possible edge
[18:32:08] <JT-Hardinge> so I have to adapt
[18:32:12] <JT-Hardinge> ok
[18:32:20] <elmo40> make one? ;)
[18:32:27] <DaViruz> elmo40: no, but it looks like it's worth a closer look
[18:32:39] <archivist> his tooling will get in the way
[18:32:40] <aa-danimal-shop> i'd go with the 321 if you had to choose
[18:32:47] <elmo40> it is an infant program. not bad, though.
[18:33:08] <JT-Hardinge> I'll get some 321's to have on hand too
[18:33:11] <elmo40> DaViruz: you should check out his blog. http://heekscnc.blogspot.com/
[18:33:20] <elmo40> gives you more insight on how he is working things through
[18:42:22] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge has had a successful morning and wanders in to take a nap to celebrate
[18:58:27] <Jymmm> * Jymmm slips JT-Hardinge a mickey of Pedilite
[19:06:03] <pfred1> Jymmm that you got off of Craigs List?
[19:06:11] <aa-danimal-shop> ha
[19:07:14] <aa-danimal-shop> i wonder if i'll get this camera on ebay
[19:07:28] <pfred1> aa-danimal-shop snipe and be sure!
[19:07:32] <aa-danimal-shop> anyone know photography?
[19:07:44] <pfred1> no, but I'm OK at ebay sniping
[19:07:47] <aa-danimal-shop> haha i already set up a snipe bid
[19:07:56] <aa-danimal-shop> but it's within $30 of what i want to pay
[19:07:57] <pfred1> heck I always did it by hand
[19:08:03] <archivist> what type of camera
[19:08:13] <pfred1> my best was 1 second to go
[19:08:15] <aa-danimal-shop> olympus e-510
[19:08:27] <pfred1> I had a D-450Z once it was nice
[19:08:30] <aa-danimal-shop> pfred1, esnipe.com is the way to go
[19:08:32] <archivist> I have an older olympus
[19:08:47] <aa-danimal-shop> http://cgi.ebay.com/OLYMPUS-E-510-10MP-DIGITAL-SLR-TWO-LENS-KIT-NO-RES_W0QQitemZ390173608052QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDigital_Cameras?hash=item5ad828c874
[19:09:48] <pfred1> hot diggity dogs I am able to access this partition now!
[19:10:23] <pfred1> and I thought it was gone forever
[19:10:41] <aa-danimal-shop> nice!
[19:10:52] <aa-danimal-shop> archivist, is yours an slr?
[19:10:55] <pfred1> aa-danimal-shop you ain't just whistling Dixie on that note
[19:11:21] <pfred1> fsck -y /dev/sdb1 did da magic!
[19:11:36] <archivist> aa-danimal-shop, no, but its been reliable except for the screen that got bashed
[19:11:56] <pfred1> archivist well don't drown your camera in a bath of SuperClean like I did
[19:12:30] <pfred1> boy that was one rough weekend let me tell you
[19:12:47] <archivist> one of my film cameras went for a swim in a river, it did a few more years work after that
[19:12:53] <aa-danimal-shop> i figured the fact that it comes with 2 lenses is cool
[19:13:05] <aa-danimal-shop> for the price
[19:13:15] <archivist> the olympus has carried on after the screen was broken
[19:13:23] <pfred1> archivist my camera probably would have lived except it had batteries in it
[19:13:34] <pfred1> and I think SuperClean is a fair conductor
[19:13:56] <archivist> Im using a canon dslr at the moment
[19:14:17] <aa-danimal-shop> archivist, i was looking at those too, but they cost a fair bit more
[19:14:39] <archivist> I got a secondhand fleabay one
[19:14:45] <pfred1> I got all of my notes back from 2003
[19:15:09] <pfred1> archivist I found the most awesome place on Earth to buy second hand cameras
[19:15:22] <aa-danimal-shop> yea, still, probably looking at $400 for a body, and basic 15-55 lens for a early 2000's model
[19:15:29] <pfred1> archivist this place in Alabama called Unclaimed Luggage and Freight
[19:15:40] <pfred1> they get all the stuff people lose in airports
[19:15:51] <pfred1> and people lose a lot of nice cameras in airports!
[19:16:06] <archivist> no good for me the atlantic is in the way
[19:16:23] <pfred1> I'm sure people are just as dingly where you are
[19:16:38] <pfred1> you just have to figure out where all of their stuff ends up
[19:16:51] <archivist> actually over here it seems the airlines do a fair bit of the losing
[19:17:19] <pfred1> this place the trick is go in with batteries they let you try all of the cameras out on the spot its nice
[19:17:46] <archivist> go get one and sell it to aa-danimal-shop
[19:18:37] <pfred1> I ought to go out and get some beers getting this partition back is cause for a celebration here
[19:21:11] <pfred1> go up the street and take a swan dive into their vat of Palo Santo
[19:22:49] <pfred1> here it is! http://www.bathtubbrewery.com/2008/11/24/dogfish-head-\u2014-being-off-centered-is-off-ally-good/
[19:26:45] <aa-danimal-shop> hmmm i seem to have lost a piece of titanium
[19:26:51] <aa-danimal-shop> wonder where i put it
[19:29:56] <pfred1> hmmm how big an iso image can I write onto a DVD+RW?
[19:45:01] <LawrenceG> pfred.... I size videos at 4.4GB
[19:45:25] <LawrenceG> leaves a little room
[19:46:14] <pfred1> LawrenceG yeah the file I wrote fit but I messed up it wrote the ISO file to the disc
[19:47:01] <LawrenceG> more coasters for the coffee table!
[19:47:29] <pfred1> nah its RW I'll just give it another go
[19:49:35] <aa-danimal-shop> yay i found a loose screw in my ATC which was causing it to be out of position occasionally
[19:49:38] <aa-danimal-shop> easy fix
[19:52:09] <pfred1> aa-danimal-shop sure is wasn't the loose connection between the chair and the keyboard?
[19:54:05] <aa-danimal-shop> hmm i dont think so
[20:01:45] <pfred1> man this drive is eerie quiet
[20:09:47] <aa-danimal-shop> maybe it isnt plugged in
[20:10:10] <pfred1> aa-danimal-shop I fear the day it dies I'll never know
[20:11:19] <pfred1> there you go regular everyday files
[20:14:51] <aa-danimal-shop> i have a feeling that i'm not getting this camera
[20:16:46] <pfred1> I have a feeling they finally figured out how to make decent disc burners
[20:17:10] <JT-Hardinge> should I quit bidding against you now LOL
[20:17:36] <aa-danimal-shop> lol JT-Hardinge
[20:17:42] <aa-danimal-shop> yes, please.
[20:18:42] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge tries to figure out how I want to handle the spindle brake an lock pin in hal now
[20:22:18] <elmo40> is http://www.linuxcnc.org/hardy/emc2-install.sh all I need to get my 8.04 CNC ready?
[20:23:18] <elmo40> it will install the RTAI kernel and everything?
[20:24:19] <JT-Hardinge> elmo40: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#On_Stock_Ubuntu
[20:24:22] <elmo40> and... is having the 'server' install ok for this? or should I get the 'desktop' version
[20:29:05] <JT-Hardinge> YEA! that works
[20:30:19] <JT-Hardinge> I don't know what to do now, clean up some, put more cover plates back on, or throw a chunk of 6061 in a collet and try threading
[20:31:36] <aa-danimal-shop> lol
[20:31:45] <aa-danimal-shop> you're having too much fun
[20:32:34] <JT-Hardinge> it's about time :)
[20:32:41] <aa-danimal-shop> ha
[20:33:14] <aa-danimal-shop> now you can come work on mine!
[20:33:38] <JT-Hardinge> I'm not done with mine yet!
[20:34:07] <JT-Hardinge> I think I'm going for option 3
[20:36:15] <aa-danimal-shop> what's left??
[20:39:55] <MarkusBec> MarkusBec is now known as MarkusBec_away
[20:40:13] <JT-Hardinge> clean out the servos, clean out the coolant tank, fix the lube tank, put some covers on, fix an air leak in the turret lock cylinder
[20:40:32] <JT-Hardinge> hmmm I'm sure there is lots more... I need to make a punch list
[20:41:43] <JT-Hardinge> I'm ordering one of these to mount the monitor on http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882021111
[20:43:01] <elmo40> JT-Hardinge: pics of your machien?
[20:44:36] <JT-Hardinge> http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Hardinge/
[20:44:50] <elmo40> you can get those swivel mounts from kijiji for a lot less
[20:45:50] <elmo40> nice computer mobo setup... free-air style, eh? ;)
[20:46:45] <aa-danimal-shop> the monitor wont fit in the old monitor compartment?
[20:48:41] <JT-Hardinge> yea, but it would be nice to have it facing me when my head is inside the CHNC
[20:49:22] <JT-Hardinge> mobo will be sealed up when done
[20:49:39] <JT-Hardinge> I can put the back cover on now I think
[20:54:03] <JT-Hardinge> tool 1 is a turning tool and that will be my master tool for setting offsets
[20:55:08] <JT-Hardinge> X offsets seem to be simple enough turn a part with tool 1 and store the diameter in the tool table
[20:55:32] <JT-Hardinge> take tool 2 another turning tool and touch off the part and store that X offset
[20:56:05] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[20:56:25] <JT-Hardinge> now I take tool 1 and face the part and do a Z machine offset? then store the Z offset of the second tool?
[21:00:08] <elmo40> there is no way to directly upgrade from 8.04 to 10.04? just like you have to go from 9.04 to 9.10?
[21:00:57] <pfred1> elmo40 you don't want to upgrade EMC2
[21:01:17] <elmo40> but when 10.04 EMC comes out... how would I upgrade from 8.04?
[21:01:44] <pfred1> your best bet always in Linux is to have /home in its own partition
[21:02:14] <pfred1> that way "your PC" is never really too tied to the OS
[21:02:27] <elmo40> I think I will wait. Ubuntu is weird for updating (and things break).
[21:03:52] <pfred1> really the best setup is /boot /var /home and a / partition
[21:04:04] <JT-Hardinge> anyone use css G96?
[21:06:13] <pfred1> I did find 9.10 a little choppy at the outset
[21:06:31] <JT-Hardinge> OK I fingered it out
[21:07:01] <pfred1> one thing thats annoying me on my EMC2 machine is I can't find where I disabled double clicking on my 9.10 machine
[21:07:21] <pfred1> double clicking is just so spastic an action to me
[21:08:10] <pfred1> oh yeah my Notes directory is on my other machine now! 423463680 bytes sent in 425.05 secs (972.9 kB/s)
[21:09:22] <elmo40> pfred1: I have a /home not only on a different partition but a separate drive!
[21:09:34] <elmo40> 13Gb drive, just for /home
[21:09:46] <pfred1> elmo40 thats a great way to go
[21:10:09] <elmo40> anyone have a CAD drawing of Tux? all I can find are svg's
[21:10:50] <pfred1> I saw an app earlier that converted svgs to dxfs?
[21:11:01] <pfred1> let me find the name of it
[21:12:52] <pfred1> oh this is great I saved the files in firefox and have no idea where it tossed them
[21:13:20] <JT-Hardinge> pfred1: you want single click to select?
[21:13:39] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge yeah I'm thinking its in the gnome file manager wher I need to set it
[21:14:30] <pfred1> elmo40 I think this may be it b2_dxf_output.zip
[21:14:55] <JT-Hardinge> open the file browser and preferences then behavior
[21:15:08] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge yeah I think that is where it hides
[21:15:29] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge knows that is where it is :)
[21:16:06] <elmo40> http://emergent.unpy.net/01229702111
[21:16:15] <elmo40> mouse wheel put to good use :)
[21:16:18] <pfred1> elmo40 http://tim.cexx.org/images/b2_dxf_output.zip
[21:17:25] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge ha ha sweet no more spazzing out to run an icon!
[21:17:45] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge do you do auto raise and auto focus too?
[21:19:37] <JT-Hardinge> pfred1: ???
[21:19:53] <pfred1> JT-Hardinge focus follow mouse
[21:20:07] <JT-Hardinge> I don't know about that
[21:20:09] <pfred1> when your mouse is over a window it just comes up
[21:20:21] <JT-Hardinge> oh yes I know about that
[21:20:24] <pfred1> the trick is to set a little delay or it gets too nutty
[21:20:33] <pfred1> i like 300 ms
[21:20:33] <JT-Hardinge> yea
[21:21:02] <pfred1> yeah to hell wiht all of this clicking around I just want to navigate
[21:21:19] <pfred1> I can't live without window shading either
[21:22:02] <pfred1> though for me at least multiple desktops never really caught on
[21:23:03] <pfred1> I may have to figure out how to do virtual desktop on this system the screen is a little smallish
[21:24:44] <pfred1> 1280x1024 on this thing I feel like i need a magnifying glass to read anything
[21:28:43] <pfred1> ok its time to get good ole HAL to see my parallel port card I think
[21:32:48] <elmo40> pfred1: have you used the b2_dxf py script?
[21:34:12] <pfred1> elmo40 not yet but it sounds like what you're looking for
[21:34:31] <pfred1> I think you have to dump it into inkscapes scripts directory for it to work
[21:39:56] <aa-danimal-shop> sweet i got the camera
[21:40:11] <JT-Hardinge> NICE
[21:40:33] <aa-danimal-shop> $295
[21:40:45] <aa-danimal-shop> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=390173608052&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT
[21:41:07] <pfred1> aa-danimal-shop congratz
[21:41:14] <aa-danimal-shop> thanks
[21:41:28] <aa-danimal-shop> my first decent camera
[21:42:52] <pfred1> I look forward to seeing lots of decent pictures from it
[21:43:17] <aa-danimal-shop> me too!
[21:43:58] <JT-Hardinge> My only decent camera is/was a Cannon AE-1 but I don't use film anymore
[21:45:44] <elmo40> Nikon D200
[21:45:49] <elmo40> older but excellent
[21:46:10] <elmo40> has some spazzy moments if you try to take 3 or more pictures really fast.
[21:46:34] <alex_joni> elmo40: I have a 3D model of tux somewhere if you need it
[21:46:34] <aa-danimal-shop> elmo40, i was looking at those too
[21:46:42] <elmo40> seems like there is hardware lag. then all of a sudden the shutter goes berserk :P
[21:46:55] <elmo40> alex_joni: that would be nice.
[21:47:20] <elmo40> is that puppyLinux cnc still being developed?
[21:50:09] <alex_joni> elmo40: nope
[21:50:49] <elmo40> just that the ubuntu version is larger then a CD
[21:51:01] <alex_joni> elmo40: http://dsplabs.cs.upt.ro/~juve/emc/tux/
[21:51:06] <alex_joni> no, it's not
[21:51:16] <alex_joni> fits ok on 700MB CD's
[21:51:55] <pfred1> I burned emc2 and installed it
[21:51:58] <elmo40> well, didn't like my discs.
[21:52:06] <elmo40> and they are 'cd-are 80min' discs
[21:52:06] <pfred1> though I think my disc claimed it was messed up
[21:52:19] <elmo40> *cd-r
[21:52:25] <elmo40> damn spell check :P
[21:52:26] <pfred1> it said it had "One erroes"
[21:52:34] <pfred1> One Errors even
[21:52:42] <elmo40> alex_joni: thanks. looks good :)
[21:54:16] <elmo40> says it is 712MB
[21:54:26] <elmo40> I was able to burn a 704MB .iso
[21:54:33] <elmo40> just not the emc2 one
[21:54:52] <pfred1> how much you can overburn is disc dependent
[21:55:04] <elmo40> and these were 50 for $4
[21:55:05] <elmo40> ;)
[21:55:22] <alex_joni> juve@dsplabs:~/public_html/emc$ du -h ubuntu-8.04-desktop-emc2-aj13-i386.iso
[21:55:22] <alex_joni> 697M ubuntu-8.04-desktop-emc2-aj13-i386.iso
[21:55:23] <elmo40> but said 80-min discs.
[21:55:24] <pfred1> isos contain the formatting on them too don't they?
[21:55:40] <alex_joni> pfred1: iso's contain everything that goes on the disc
[21:55:43] <pfred1> really I've jambed 800 MB onto a CD unformatted
[21:56:16] <pfred1> you can get away with that with files like avis that have their own ecc
[21:56:45] <pfred1> alex_joni right so an iso is data+ format
[21:57:08] <pfred1> formatting does take disc space
[22:02:00] <Valen> emc2 is smaller than standard ubuntu isnt it?
[22:02:46] <pfred1> elmo40 sometimes I find it helps to pick a slower speed to burn some isos on some drives
[22:03:33] <pfred1> recently i learned that eject can set your CD drive speed too if you have a noisy old bomb and you can't hear movies playing off it and stuff
[22:04:39] <pfred1> which i thought was sort of neat
[22:07:38] <frallzor> finally my nice internal cables are all done
[22:08:01] <pfred1> frallzor I thought you said they were done last nite?
[22:08:44] <pfred1> whats the fuse kernel module?
[22:09:33] <frallzor> well they werent soldered etc etc then
[22:09:36] <frallzor> they are now
[22:09:52] <pfred1> frallzor soldered?
[22:10:16] <frallzor> yup
[22:11:23] <pfred1> frallzor do you have any pictures of this magnum opus you're creating?
[22:11:35] <frallzor> magnum opus? :P
[22:12:19] <pfred1> frallzor http://www.answers.com/topic/magnum-opus
[22:12:58] <pfred1> frallzor it seemed the apropos thing to say at the time ...
[22:13:55] <frallzor> nah I havent
[22:14:02] <frallzor> Im not shooting cables =P
[22:14:14] <Valen> fuse = file system in user space
[22:14:23] <pfred1> Valen ah ha!
[22:14:48] <pfred1> Valen and here i was worried it was just another hting that could blow and let go on this rickety system!
[22:15:23] <pfred1> alright do I dare to plug the parallel port cable in?
[22:16:10] <pfred1> I see parport loaded in lsmod but I still don't see if or how this new board is going to work without any parameters to it
[22:18:24] <pfred1> * pfred1 wings it by writing loadrt hal_parport cfg="30b0" into custom.hal file ...
[22:24:33] <JT-Hardinge> does I use G7 or G8 on G76?
[22:26:06] <pfred1> if at first you don't succeed then redefine success!
[22:28:55] <JT-Hardinge> me thinks I follows G7 and G8 atm
[22:29:58] <JT-Hardinge> * JT-Hardinge threads a 0.800 - 20 thread on some 6061
[22:32:48] <pfred1> that cr-mo?
[22:33:38] <JT-Hardinge> aluminum
[22:33:46] <pfred1> oh
[22:34:07] <pfred1> if it ain't 1020 I don't wanna fool with it :)
[22:35:10] <JT-Hardinge> dam them threads are a pretty sight after all this time :)
[22:35:21] <pfred1> I bet!
[22:47:33] <aa-danimal-shop> you made threads?
[22:51:35] <pfred1> man its 39F here!
[22:52:35] <aa-danimal-shop> damn, it's like 85f here
[22:52:40] <pfred1> wth did I get transported to Fargo or something?
[22:52:53] <aa-danimal-shop> it's 80f in the house, so it's usually 5-10f higher outside
[22:53:01] <aa-danimal-shop> lol
[22:53:33] <pfred1> 39F is usually our winter low temps around here
[22:55:10] <aa-danimal-shop> so is 85f here
[22:55:13] <aa-danimal-shop> :)
[22:55:40] <aa-danimal-shop> j/k... closer to mid 50's actually
[22:56:27] <pfred1> I had to take a hike out to my storage shed and was like dang its chilly
[22:56:51] <JT-Hardinge> Dan, yep
[22:57:04] <aa-danimal-shop> JT-Hardinge, nice!
[22:57:12] <aa-danimal-shop> i still need to find an encoder
[22:57:14] <JT-Hardinge> yea, it has been a long time coming
[22:57:26] <aa-danimal-shop> but i dont thread much so i'm in no rush
[22:57:33] <JT-Hardinge> I made some 0.800-20 threads in 6061
[22:57:36] <aa-danimal-shop> yea, i hear ya
[22:57:41] <aa-danimal-shop> nice!
[22:58:19] <JT-Hardinge> means I have lots more material left till I get down to 1/4-20 LOL
[22:58:26] <aa-danimal-shop> LOL
[22:58:38] <aa-danimal-shop> i was wondering what you'd use .800-20 for
[22:58:51] <JT-Hardinge> I might make a 0.800-20 nut just cause I can :)
[23:00:26] <aa-danimal-shop> oooh i just used a forming tap on my aluminum parts. MUCH better than a cutting tap.
[23:00:29] <aa-danimal-shop> :)
[23:01:44] <frallzor> yup
[23:01:55] <frallzor> no chips
[23:02:08] <aa-danimal-shop> yes, very nice!
[23:02:24] <owhite> Hey everyone. I have an m5i20 card for digital i/o. Does anyone know if EMC would be able to read analog input from the m5i20?
[23:03:10] <aa-danimal-shop> dont you need a DAC daughter board for that?
[23:03:21] <aa-danimal-shop> i could be wrong
[23:03:27] <aa-danimal-shop> just curious
[23:03:40] <frallzor> curious George
[23:03:55] <owhite> the m5i20 does DAC. but its a matter of what EMC can do with the firmware.
[23:04:28] <aa-danimal-shop> well i know it can do analog output
[23:04:49] <aa-danimal-shop> but i'm uncertain of analog input
[23:05:43] <JT-Hardinge> owhite: there is a THC card that you can read analog voltage with
[23:06:02] <JT-Hardinge> 0-300 volts
[23:06:53] <JT-Hardinge> dan you use the forming tap on 6061 or 7075
[23:06:55] <owhite> The Torch Height Control system?
[23:07:00] <JT-Hardinge> yea
[23:08:24] <aa-danimal-shop> 6061
[23:08:36] <aa-danimal-shop> we used it on 7075 where i used to work
[23:08:38] <JT-Hardinge> what size tap
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[23:25:12] <pfred1> parallel is best I believe
[23:25:26] <frallzor> resistance is x0.5 then in the datasheet for my motor
[23:25:35] <pfred1> best speed vs torque chararistics
[23:25:37] <frallzor> but as long as inductance is unchanged I think im all good
[23:26:09] <pfred1> parallel is least inductance well same as half I guess
[23:26:36] <frallzor> ah resistance is lower in parallell too
[23:26:41] <frallzor> thats no biggie then
[23:26:50] <pfred1> sure it draws most current in parallel
[23:27:05] <pfred1> but your geckos should be able to deal with it I mean they're geckos right?
[23:27:13] <pfred1> they out out what 7 amps per phase?
[23:27:53] <frallzor> current x1.414
[23:27:58] <frallzor> i will limit it to 3.5A anyways
[23:28:16] <pfred1> well yeah you can't give the motor more than it can take
[23:28:45] <pfred1> thats the whole idea behind current limiting
[23:29:05] <pfred1> not much good if the limit is higher than the motor can take
[23:30:17] <pfred1> man I love shrink wrap
[23:30:46] <pfred1> all electrical tape is good for is using on fish line
[23:36:31] <frallzor> 3.5A will go a long way I think
[23:37:02] <frallzor> if wired correctly, the stepper is hard to turn right?
[23:37:42] <pfred1> I don't know about that there should be holding torque if it is energized though yes
[23:38:03] <pfred1> but I'd imagine it'd have holding torque even wired wrong too
[23:38:20] <pfred1> they are coils on magnets after all
[23:38:31] <frallzor> well i did like that site saud
[23:38:33] <frallzor> *said
[23:38:38] <frallzor> should be ok then
[23:38:50] <pfred1> if not you can always swap a pair
[23:39:08] <pfred1> then the worst that'd happen is your motor would run backwards
[23:39:30] <pfred1> then just swap the other pair and you're all set
[23:39:52] <frallzor> well I know which pairs of cables that belong
[23:40:12] <pfred1> yeah but you have to have it all phased corectly too
[23:40:30] <pfred1> A not A B not B
[23:40:33] <frallzor> yeah but it doesnt say which is which
[23:40:51] <pfred1> there are static ways of determining motor plarity
[23:41:01] <pfred1> polarity
[23:41:06] <frallzor> the all mighty batterytest
[23:41:31] <pfred1> yeah if you got it wrong they just won't turn then power down never ever disconnect the motor while the drive is energized
[23:42:11] <pfred1> and swap leads
[23:42:37] <frallzor> how to do with the battery, forgotten =)
[23:44:57] <pfred1> hmmm should i hook my scope up to this?
[23:53:26] <pfred1> ha ha!
[23:54:44] <pfred1> * pfred1 sees little spikes on the screen!
[23:59:17] <pfred1> man this stuff is marginal it peaks at 2.4V