#emc | Logs for 2010-02-05

[00:00:06] <frallzor> * frallzor is eating some chili con carne
[00:12:08] <danimal_garage> what sort of size?
[00:24:05] <frallzor> ouch, just did a small calc on how much ive spent on my build.... so far
[00:24:18] <andypugh> I suppose part of the reason that my case was a home build is that the PC was rackmount and 1U, but not actually 19" It is actually 12U (21") high, as the servers were vertically mounted in the cluster
[00:24:34] <andypugh> Don't do that
[00:25:00] <frallzor> and im not done yet =(
[00:25:02] <andypugh> I recently found I have spent £1000+ with RS alone since I started
[00:25:27] <frallzor> Im wont say how much ive spent :P
[00:25:34] <frallzor> RS?
[00:25:59] <danimal_garage> frallzor: dont leave us in suspense
[00:26:27] <frallzor> well telling other ppl allways sucks if they aren of the same nationality
[00:26:37] <frallzor> different economiews and currencys =)
[00:26:44] <frallzor> *economies
[00:26:56] <danimal_garage> i'm pretty sure i'm close to $20k between the 2 cnc machines
[00:27:07] <frallzor> so what could be cheap here, converted to other currencies could be damn expensive
[00:27:13] <danimal_garage> well maybe not that much
[00:27:25] <frallzor> ah then im not crazy :P
[00:27:40] <danimal_garage> probably close to 15k
[00:28:19] <frallzor> 6.8k for me atm, so its not that bad then I guess?
[00:28:31] <danimal_garage> for one machine?
[00:28:34] <frallzor> yes
[00:28:43] <frallzor> THE machine =P
[00:28:46] <danimal_garage> depends on how it came out lol
[00:28:57] <danimal_garage> not bad if it's awesome
[00:29:03] <frallzor> well it WILL be flawless
[00:29:10] <danimal_garage> then that's cheap
[00:29:40] <danimal_garage> most of my money went into the mill
[00:29:46] <frallzor> doing a mechmate like ries =)
[00:29:49] <danimal_garage> the lathe was about half the cost
[00:30:42] <danimal_garage> frallzor: nice, when are you expecting to be done?
[00:31:32] <frallzor> well...
[00:31:39] <frallzor> my goal is about a month
[00:32:33] <danimal_garage> cool
[00:32:35] <andypugh> RS is a uk-based electronics and lots more store, (the name used to be Radio Spares). The thing is they sell lots of stuff, next day delivery, and aren't _that_ expensive.
[00:32:38] <frallzor> not leaving anything to chance
[00:32:42] <danimal_garage> cant wait to see it
[00:32:42] <andypugh> http://rswww.com
[00:32:43] <frallzor> ahhh THAT RS =)
[00:33:25] <andypugh> Yes. The swines. They have the price/convenience factor just right (for them)
[00:34:46] <frallzor> I do hope motionking sends my steppers like promised (latest 8feb)
[00:34:55] <frallzor> CNY is a bitch
[00:51:06] <andypugh> That peer is giving you a hard time, jst_home.
[00:51:34] <jackc> no kidding
[00:52:50] <andypugh> Is that JT or someone else, I wonder?
[00:53:00] <frallzor> Am I a bad customer if I call the company doing some machining for me? :)
[00:53:12] <frallzor> told me they would let me know when done
[00:53:28] <andypugh> Depends if you say "have some more money" or "why isn't it done yet"
[00:53:54] <frallzor> well the guy said "done this week" if I recall correctly
[00:54:26] <andypugh> But I used to ring my suppliers to ask, and they never seemed to mind. You get a "when" rather than a "done now" if you ring them.
[00:55:09] <frallzor> I do love my "whens"
[00:55:57] <andypugh> OK time to sleep, been up 20 hours.
[01:00:47] <danimal_garage> * danimal_garage hopes my mill still works after my pc enclosure migration
[01:01:20] <jt-plasma> LOL
[01:01:59] <jt-plasma> I'm trying to get my Hardinge computer to boot up and install EMC while it is spread out on the plasma cutter
[01:03:57] <jt-plasma> when I try an boot up from the LiveCD now I get BusyBox v1/1/3...
[01:04:04] <jt-plasma> (initramfs)
[01:04:34] <skunkworks> like? http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/testing/goal3.jpg
[01:04:40] <jt-plasma> * jt-plasma has not seen this before
[01:04:49] <skunkworks> what is the hardware?
[01:04:55] <skunkworks> what livecd?
[01:05:02] <jt-plasma> 2.3
[01:05:12] <skunkworks> dapper or hardy?
[01:05:15] <jt-plasma> I ran it down in the beer cave
[01:05:18] <jt-plasma> 8.04
[01:05:34] <jt-plasma> then took it all apart and moved it up here to the hardinge
[01:07:09] <skunkworks> nothing changed?
[01:07:16] <tom3p> the 1st thing that entered my mind when i saw the mobo on the paper and antistatic envelopes was frank zappa's 'saran wrap'
[01:07:36] <jt-plasma> hard drive is different
[01:08:35] <danimal_garage> skunkworks: what's that little brown slot on your mobo?
[01:09:02] <danimal_garage> in line with the mattery
[01:09:35] <danimal_garage> battery*
[01:09:56] <jt-plasma> it might have been the cable to the dvd drive
[01:10:26] <jt-plasma> they both were configured as master
[01:11:33] <jt-plasma> put second ide cable for dvd and it seems to be working now
[01:12:19] <jt-plasma> yea, were getting somewhere now
[01:12:45] <skunkworks> danimal_garage" some flavor of pci-e
[01:12:45] <jt-plasma> got a little planning to do to make sure the cables reach between things
[01:12:55] <jt-plasma> what an ugly bird
[01:13:00] <tom3p> i read it better to give dvd/cd its own ide port (read on pages about burning)
[01:13:46] <tom3p> oh i thought that brown slot was a 'modem riser' a really useful bit o hardware
[01:13:57] <jt-plasma> I was just too lazy to pick up the second cable
[01:14:03] <jt-plasma> but know better now :)
[01:16:42] <skunkworks> tom3p: you are right..
[01:16:49] <skunkworks> CNR
[01:16:56] <Valen> CNR
[01:17:01] <Valen> lol snap
[01:17:25] <Valen> on a PCI-E motherboard its probbaly a PCI-E 1x slot
[01:17:44] <jt-plasma> I don't understand why they don't have Poplar Bluff on the time zone chart when installing Ubuntu...
[01:18:15] <tom3p> oooh i didnt see the jitter on that screen shot ... nice!
[01:18:51] <Valen> my dual core atom is hitting ~4000 or so
[01:18:58] <Valen> not as good as the Xeon :-<
[01:19:57] <skunkworks> that goal3 motherboard is the best latency I have ever witnessed.
[01:22:37] <jt-plasma> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Hardinge/computer01.jpg
[01:22:51] <jt-plasma> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Hardinge/computer02.jpg
[01:25:10] <skunkworks> Valen: you got me wanting to watch the babylon 5 series. I don't think I have seen all the episodes.
[01:25:16] <skunkworks> jt-plasma: Nice1
[01:25:35] <Valen> skunkworks: its pretty good
[01:25:46] <Valen> my other half got me box sets as presents ;->
[01:26:13] <skunkworks> cool
[01:30:25] <jt-plasma> thanks
[01:34:23] <tom3p> skunkworks: is this it? goal 3 plus sempron 3000 http://www.fadfusion.com/selection.php?product_item_number=10024004442
[01:37:12] <jt-plasma> 2.3 is installed YEA!
[01:39:24] <frysteev> ola Optic
[01:39:29] <Optic> hi
[01:40:41] <jt-plasma> * jt-plasma reads the manual to see how to not have to log in
[01:42:55] <tom3p> Chapter 13.3.33 "We dont need no stinkin batches"
[01:44:28] <danimal_garage> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/DSCN0777.jpg
[01:44:36] <danimal_garage> getting there
[01:45:25] <danimal_garage> still a few things to connect, and some zipties to install
[01:47:20] <john_f_> danimal_garage: how long before you make chips?
[01:48:27] <jt-plasma> Danimal-office: nice
[01:48:42] <Jymmm> I'm Baaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaack!
[01:48:49] <danimal_garage> john_f_: tonight. It's been running since like june, but i migrated the pc into a new enclosure
[01:48:59] <danimal_garage> jt-plasma: thanks!
[01:49:00] <frysteev> Jymmm: !!!!
[01:49:16] <danimal_garage> holy crap i just realized this mobo has a pci-e board!
[01:49:21] <danimal_garage> slot*
[01:49:41] <Jymmm> Lock up your daughters and throw out your wives, cause we're gonna have a big ol party tonight!!!!!!
[01:49:45] <danimal_garage> a pentium 3 with a 16x pci-e slot?
[01:50:00] <danimal_garage> isnt that a bit odd?
[01:51:08] <frysteev> Jymmm: http://www.flickr.com/photos/34832969@N03/4330863953/in/photostream/
[01:51:20] <danimal_garage> i guess that makes finding a video card easier
[01:51:29] <Jymmm> frysteev: is that yours?
[01:51:50] <danimal_garage> this thing has an ISA AND a PCI-E slot lol
[01:52:00] <danimal_garage> talk about 2 different decades
[01:52:01] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: ink?
[01:52:07] <Jymmm> link
[01:52:17] <danimal_garage> http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/?action=view&current=DSCN0777.jpg
[01:52:27] <danimal_garage> you can see the pci-e slot in the pic
[01:52:41] <danimal_garage> never noticed till i looked at this picture
[01:52:43] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: on the left?
[01:52:53] <frysteev> Jymmm: yup
[01:52:55] <frysteev> just got it
[01:53:08] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: That's a PCI 64 slot, not PCIe =)
[01:53:19] <Jymmm> frysteev: where did you buy it from?
[01:53:51] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: which they DID have at the time P3's were around.
[01:54:12] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: I have a few server mobos with that if you're interested
[01:54:18] <danimal_garage> Jymmm: the white slot?
[01:54:26] <danimal_garage> to the right?
[01:54:41] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: The LONG slot is PCI64, the short is PCI (32)
[01:54:54] <frysteev> Jymmm: local guy here in toronto
[01:55:00] <Jymmm> frysteev: website?
[01:55:05] <danimal_garage> Jymmm: this is a server mobo
[01:55:12] <jt-plasma> * jt-plasma listens to Mamma Cass sing Dream a Little Dream of me... almost the range of Cate Bush
[01:55:21] <frysteev> found him on kijjii
[01:55:22] <jt-plasma> cate/Kate
[01:55:28] <frysteev> gio666 on cnczone
[01:55:34] <danimal_garage> Jymmm: hmm learn something new everyday.
[01:55:36] <Jymmm> frysteev: ah
[01:55:52] <frysteev> better then anything i could have made form scratch
[01:56:22] <danimal_garage> this motherboard came out of a compaq server
[01:57:03] <danimal_garage> frysteev: nice!
[01:57:15] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: I have a bunch on dual SLOT1 cpu's and intel server mobo with serial console built in if you're interested
[01:58:21] <danimal_garage> Jymmm: appreciate it, but i'm pretty set on computers right now. thinking of swapping out the lathe's dell for an atom though
[01:58:31] <danimal_garage> just for space savings
[01:58:41] <frysteev> i need to start working on my emc install while im waiting on my driver board to come
[01:59:18] <jt-plasma> now it is Jimmy Buffet Why don't we get drunk and ...
[02:00:45] <danimal_garage> took me a day longer than expected to complete this enclosure project
[02:02:44] <danimal_garage> damn jst_home, make up your mind!
[02:02:45] <jt-plasma> that's why I don't estimate
[02:03:46] <jt-plasma> Allrighty now Pink Floyd - Money
[02:04:13] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: http://www.lancard.com/archives/AUT_3303.JPG
[02:04:22] <Jymmm> Intel L440GX+
[02:04:59] <Valen> mmmm slot one
[02:05:05] <Jymmm> yeppers
[02:05:25] <Valen> I have a pair of 500mhz pentium 3 slot ones floating around somewhere
[02:05:47] <Valen> I think they were 500, might have been more
[02:05:49] <Jymmm> I have a bunch around here, up to 1GHz
[02:05:59] <Jymmm> mostly 800's iirc
[02:06:01] <ds3> someone needs slot 1 boards or processors?
[02:06:19] <ds3> nice name brand dual processor boards? :D
[02:06:23] <Jymmm> ds3: Nope, just offering all I have cheap
[02:06:32] <ds3> Jymmm: me too ;)
[02:06:48] <Jymmm> ds3: intel server baords?
[02:07:00] <ds3> Jymmm: a mix of Tyans and Intels
[02:07:07] <Jymmm> fsck tyan
[02:07:22] <ds3> what's your problem with Tyan?
[02:07:27] <Jymmm> PSO
[02:07:28] <Jymmm> POS
[02:07:51] <ds3> they work fine
[02:08:01] <jt-plasma> * jt-plasma keeps reaching for the windows + e key but it don't work with Ubuntu
[02:08:33] <Jymmm> ?
[02:08:59] <jt-plasma> it opens the explorer in windoz
[02:09:05] <ds3> FWIW, they have on board real parallel ports :D
[02:09:31] <Jymmm> but shit for north/south bridges
[02:10:06] <Jymmm> I hate tyan
[02:10:23] <ds3> they (the company) gave decent service
[02:11:49] <Jymmm> oh is that why my RTC resets on power off and says "CMOS Battery is LOW" even though I've replaced it 3 times and two of their boards and they have no idea why.
[02:12:16] <Jymmm> again, fsck tyan
[02:12:35] <ds3> of the 1000+ boards I have gone through, I haven't seen that one
[02:13:04] <Jymmm> If I see it once, it's bad enough. But on two - forget it.
[02:13:15] <Jymmm> and their Sr Supports can't explain it
[02:13:29] <ds3> were these the "server" boards or their desktop boards?
[02:13:38] <Jymmm> does it mater?
[02:14:05] <ds3> yes, trying to figure out what's the difference in our experiences
[02:14:48] <Jymmm> I dont give a shit. When the EXACT failure happens on the same model from two different places - fsck that.
[02:15:06] <Jymmm> anyhow,
[02:15:21] <Jymmm> frysteev: it looks cool. have you fired it up yet?
[02:15:22] <ds3> anyways...that is not that important for running a machine via the parallel ports
[02:15:47] <jt-plasma> hmmm, Joni Mitchell - Woodstock
[02:16:14] <Jymmm> jt-plasma: go smoke something!
[02:16:27] <jt-plasma> LOL don't smoke any more
[02:16:39] <Jymmm> jt-plasma: WTF?!
[02:16:41] <jt-plasma> not good for you
[02:17:13] <Jymmm> frysteev: Could you do me a favor...
[02:17:18] <frysteev> ??
[02:17:20] <jt-plasma> music is good
[02:18:08] <Jymmm> frysteev: If you take apart the nut that attaches to the X axis to the acme thread, could you take some hi-res photos?
[02:18:21] <frysteev> sure
[02:18:41] <frysteev> curious?
[02:19:23] <Jymmm> frysteev: Yeah, I want to see/know how much adjustment it has, play, etc
[02:19:29] <frysteev> ya
[02:19:50] <frysteev> now the wait for my driver board to show up :P
[02:20:04] <Jymmm> frysteev: What I'm seeing, is your main frame could get out of square somewhat easily.
[02:20:17] <frysteev> yes.
[02:20:22] <frysteev> its quite sturdy
[02:20:37] <frysteev> but one of the reasons i bought the aluminum bed as well.
[02:20:42] <frysteev> to keep it square
[02:20:44] <Jymmm> frysteev: how much?
[02:22:09] <jt-hardinge> hmmm
[02:22:40] <jt-hardinge> ok the hardinge lathe is connected to the internet Sweet!
[02:24:14] <jt-plasma> David Allen Coe-The Perfect Country and Western Song
[02:24:37] <jt-plasma> now were listening to some classical music
[02:29:09] <jt-plasma> here we go again...
[02:29:25] <jt-plasma> Jerry Jeff Walker
[03:23:50] <dmess> 22:19:36) dmess: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K49J4uiXSuM&feature=related
[03:23:50] <dmess> (22:19:51) dmess: too nice not too share
[03:37:39] <ries_> ries_ is now known as ries
[04:01:28] <tom3p> dmess more fun good tune http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E3F5bTczeeE&feature=related
[04:19:49] <dmess> that's Steve too... thx
[05:10:23] <danimal_garage> well almost everything works, just gotta straighten out my coolant
[05:10:43] <danimal_garage> went pretty smoothly considering a complete rewire
[05:11:10] <danimal_garage> coolant is wired right, just hal is configured incorrectly since i changed pins
[05:14:16] <WalterN> do storage facilities sometimes have three phase power?
[05:14:40] <danimal_garage> usually they have no power
[05:14:47] <WalterN> :(
[05:14:51] <danimal_garage> not for you to use anyways
[05:15:08] <WalterN> oh, didnt think about that... heh
[05:17:43] <danimal_garage> they dont want you working on anything
[07:35:02] <danimal_garage> well i think i effed up my mill's pc
[07:35:29] <danimal_garage> not sure what i did but it wont boot from the HD
[07:35:34] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: the price of those mobo's I had for sale just trippled.
[07:35:45] <danimal_garage> hardware is fine
[07:36:14] <danimal_garage> i'm reinstalling ubuntu on a different HD
[07:36:27] <danimal_garage> but i gotta see if i can save the files off my old HD
[07:37:12] <danimal_garage> i did something in bios and it wouldnt boot anymore... something about raid disk array
[07:38:40] <danimal_garage> so now i'm just installing ubuntu on a different disk from the IDE controller instead of that raid card
[07:39:14] <danimal_garage> hopefully i can save the files i had on the other drive
[09:24:39] <danimal_garage> is it possible to recover data after screwing up the raid array?
[09:24:54] <numen> danimal_garage what kind of raid array?
[09:24:58] <numen> lvl?
[09:25:12] <danimal_garage> not sure
[09:25:25] <numen> dont think so
[09:25:45] <danimal_garage> ugh
[09:26:07] <danimal_garage> all i want is my config files :(
[09:31:50] <archivist> archivist is now known as archivist_attic
[09:32:32] <archivist_attic> archivist_attic is now known as archivist
[10:05:43] <numen> ^^
[12:18:56] <alex_joni> ROFLMAO http://failblog.org/2010/02/04/stone-sculpture-fail
[14:13:52] <ries> Can I show the 'cone' in Axis up-side down, to simulate a dovetail router bit?
[14:15:29] <cradek> no, it can't do that shape. for a mill, it can only do cylinders if it knows the tool diameter.
[14:16:49] <ries> cradek: not a biggy... just wondering...
[15:02:06] <danimal_garage> morning
[15:32:08] <ries> can I let EMC switch to full stop mode for angles sharper then XX degrees? let's say if it encounters a angle < 150 degrees, it will switch to full stop, but for other angles it will follow G64 P0.1 ?
[15:33:07] <cradek> you could do that either by changing the source code, or preprocessing your gcode and adding the g61 and g64 where you need them to accomplish this
[15:37:09] <ries> cradek: Ok, this is not a problem... more often then not I would generate a couple of separate files anyways. Apparently the Mach people have such a setting and I wasn't sure if this was a specific Gcode or specific to mach3.
[15:38:21] <cradek> that's something I tried once in our planner in the past, but I didn't like it
[15:41:13] <ries> cradek: properly because there are a lot of 'depends' sort of situations? I can imagine it's not as simple as just checking the angle...
[15:42:18] <cradek> the arbitraryness is what bothered me. whatever angle you pick, if you make a shape with a corner just above and just under that angle, they'll get very different cutting behavior and consequently finished shapes
[15:42:34] <Guest472> Guest472 is now known as skunkworks_
[15:44:18] <ries> cradek: understood.... my machine does woodworking only, so If I just run with G64 P0.1 I am good enough for my sort of items anyways
[15:45:00] <cradek> especially with wood, you probably never want exact stop, because it burns
[15:45:02] <skunkworks_> cradek: how does the the current planner do it? how does it now how far to go on really sharp angles?
[15:45:43] <cradek> skunkworks_: it cuts them short to blend, or uses the tolerance if you give one
[15:46:46] <ries> it sounds like (for wood) if you just give it the tolerance, then you are in 95% good to go
[16:09:18] <danimal_garage> anyone know of a way to recover data from a screwed up raid array?
[16:14:52] <celeron55> depends on the configuration, i guess
[16:54:59] <isssy> hi all
[16:59:57] <jackc> soup
[17:17:37] <danimal_garage> any idea why my system just hangs at 22% when i'm trying to install ubuntu?
[17:20:52] <jackc> danimal_garage: go through cntl-alt-f1 through f4 and see if you see any error message (-f7 to get back to gui)
[17:22:03] <danimal_garage> ok thanks i'll try
[18:08:28] <danimal_garage> once it gets to 22% it just freezes. That's when it says copying files.
[18:08:42] <danimal_garage> ctl-alt-f# does nothing
[18:09:11] <danimal_garage> i tried several hd's, a different cd, and cdrom
[18:12:34] <frallzor> hardware issues?
[18:12:42] <frallzor> some driver fuzzing around
[18:16:33] <danimal_garage> i dunno
[18:17:22] <frallzor> disable stuff in the bios that you dont need
[18:17:51] <frallzor> that might need a driver =)
[18:21:15] <danimal_garage> yea i think it was a raid driver
[18:21:21] <danimal_garage> it's up to 24% now
[18:21:39] <jackc> thats progress
[18:22:10] <danimal_garage> still at 24% lol
[18:25:13] <danimal_garage> yup, just stuck at 24% now
[18:26:37] <frallzor> the disc then
[18:26:41] <frallzor> make a new one =)
[18:26:52] <danimal_garage> i did that already
[18:26:59] <frallzor> then I say its till hardware
[18:27:02] <danimal_garage> the last disk worked on my lathe just fine
[18:27:04] <frallzor> *Still
[18:28:42] <danimal_garage> unfortunately i'm no good at that stuff
[18:29:01] <danimal_garage> the only thing i can do is put it back in raid like it was
[18:35:10] <frallzor> how about the non technical way then
[18:35:22] <frallzor> do you believe in god? :P
[18:37:06] <danimal_garage> no
[18:39:08] <frallzor> well then there only is the technical way :P
[18:42:12] <jthornton> well it is time for "out with the old and in with the new"
[18:42:29] <jthornton> * jthornton is signing off from the 6.06 computer
[18:42:44] <jthornton> say goodby Gracie :)
[19:03:25] <danimal_garage> well i guess it needs to be in raid
[19:03:31] <danimal_garage> however one of my drives is bad
[19:03:45] <danimal_garage> so i dunno how this'll work
[19:03:57] <danimal_garage> it's installing at least
[19:04:43] <frallzor> needs to? :)
[19:05:18] <danimal_garage> i dunno, like i said, i dont know much about this
[19:05:59] <danimal_garage> always just had regular ide drives, never raid
[19:06:19] <danimal_garage> should it work ok with just 1 drive?
[19:07:05] <frallzor> why use raid?
[19:07:42] <jackc> im a big fan of running EMC off my USB stick, no moving parts :-p
[19:08:02] <frallzor> I got a nice CF>ide converter Im planning to use
[19:08:13] <jackc> nice
[19:08:40] <frallzor> just need a proper CF-card too
[19:09:30] <frallzor> one of those MLC chip ones
[19:10:56] <frallzor> is 1gig enough for emc?
[19:11:37] <danimal_garage> i have to use raid
[19:11:47] <danimal_garage> it wouldnt install if i didnt
[19:11:57] <frallzor> seems very odd
[19:12:32] <jepler> frallzor: no, not if you mean the emc2 compiled for ubuntu 8.04 and installed with the live cd from linuxcnc.org. ubuntu says that the hard drive space requirement for 8.04 is 5 gigabytes with the desktop environment. https://help.ubuntu.com/8.04/installation-guide/i386/minimum-hardware-reqts.html
[19:13:20] <frallzor> bah =/
[19:17:55] <danimal_garage> frallzor: this pc is an old server and has raid hardware that i cant remove
[19:19:39] <jepler> ugh, "raid hardware" typically means that the data on the drives becomes unusable when you move the drive to a different type motherboard. You're sure there's not a "don't use hardware raid" option in the bios, or a certain connector which isn't going through the raid?
[19:21:51] <Jymmm> frallzor: Don't use CF for a non LIVE Distro.
[19:22:33] <danimal_garage> there's a card in the machine with ata connections on it, seperate from the ide connectors on the mobo. When i disable the raid, it wont install
[19:22:52] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: what is the add-in card?
[19:22:59] <frallzor> Jymmm why not?
[19:23:21] <danimal_garage> some giant card, has ethernet and vga on it too
[19:23:36] <Jymmm> frallzor: Way too many write cycles for CF
[19:23:45] <frallzor> not for MCL
[19:24:00] <frallzor> = what most SSD-diska use
[19:24:04] <frallzor> *discs
[19:24:38] <Jymmm> What is MCL?
[19:24:42] <frallzor> a bit more pricey compared to regular CF-cards though, but still beats a "normal" ssd-disc
[19:25:35] <frallzor> MLC i mean =)
[19:25:54] <frallzor> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Multi-level_cell
[19:28:19] <frallzor> but if regular ssd drives arent recommended either these wont do any good
[19:36:59] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: do you use the card?
[19:38:59] <danimal_garage> i have to
[19:39:31] <danimal_garage> unless i get another vid card, which i dont have time for. I need to finish parts by 3.
[19:40:37] <andypugh> I am guessing that rcsu is not Royal College of Science Union?
[19:51:55] <danimal_garage> why would i get this error: hm2-stepper.hal:50: parameter or pin 'hm2_5i20.0.watchdog tomeout_ns' not found?
[19:52:16] <cradek> because the pin name is spelled wrong?
[19:52:26] <danimal_garage> timeout*
[19:52:38] <danimal_garage> i didnt copy and paste
[19:53:18] <danimal_garage> the hal i'm using is a copy of my old hal
[19:53:21] <cradek> still a likely reason is that the name is spelled wrong.
[19:54:22] <jthornton> and the computer swap out was successful
[19:54:40] <andypugh> Is there a watchdog?
[19:54:46] <jthornton> * jthornton is off to get his tractor back from getting the air out of the tires
[19:55:01] <danimal_garage> i dunno, i never messed with the watchdog before
[19:58:23] <Jymmm> jthornton: WHAT?!
[19:58:36] <Jymmm> * Jymmm stabs jthornton's tractor
[19:59:05] <micges> danimal_garage: there should be period between watchdog and timeout_ns
[19:59:18] <WalterN> * WalterN shoots Jymmm with the tractor beam for being mean to tractors
[19:59:27] <WalterN> X-P
[20:00:35] <jackc> i have a tractor
[20:00:51] <jackc> it was made in 1951, and it never worked, so i coated it in ether and set it on fire
[20:00:55] <jackc> then it worked.,
[20:00:55] <jackc> go figure.
[20:02:38] <danimal_garage> micges: there is
[20:03:01] <danimal_garage> this is weird, this hal worked fine before
[20:03:39] <danimal_garage> is there anything that goes in the ini for the watchdog?
[20:03:42] <cradek> danimal_garage: maybe you should pastebin your whole hal file. we're wasting a lot of effort guessing...
[20:03:56] <danimal_garage> true
[20:04:05] <andypugh> Has a newer Hm2 driver swapped an underscore for a hyphen?
[20:04:15] <micges> danimal_garage: put 'show all' line before error line and see in terminal if you have such a pin name
[20:04:54] <andypugh> Why did I never think of that?
[20:05:08] <andypugh> That would have saved me hours!
[20:07:03] <danimal_garage> quick question: this hal was used on the most recent version of emc. My mill currently has whatever version comes on the live cd, not updated yet. could that be the issue?
[20:07:14] <danimal_garage> pastebinning now
[20:08:52] <micges> danimal_garage: ini file as well
[20:11:12] <danimal_garage> HAL: http://pastebin.com/f2bf614e4
[20:14:04] <danimal_garage> should be updated with the ini now
[20:18:58] <danimal_garage> ini: http://pastebin.com/f77968a7b
[20:20:32] <micges> danimal_garage: did you do show all check?
[20:22:04] <danimal_garage> i'm not sure what you mean
[20:22:13] <andypugh> I think that hm2_5i20 is now just hm2_pci for all hardware?
[20:22:25] <SWPadnos> for all PCI hardware
[20:22:34] <micges> danimal_garage: put 'show all' line before error line in hal file and see in terminal if you have such a pin name
[20:22:35] <SWPadnos> there is also the 7i43
[20:22:36] <andypugh> (I don't know for sure, I use a 7i43)
[20:23:48] <andypugh> Putting together the INI file and HAL file, it is looking for hm2_5i20.0.watchdog and I am not sure that exists now. Note that it falls over at the first attempt to address the board.
[20:24:29] <danimal_garage> andypugh: i wonder if that's it. i saw the driver was named hm2_pci
[20:24:49] <danimal_garage> the machine the hal came from was current as far as updates go
[20:24:54] <danimal_garage> this machine isnt
[20:25:16] <danimal_garage> i'm updating now
[20:26:52] <SWPadnos> use halcmd or halshow to see what the actual names are ...
[20:27:05] <SWPadnos> it should be hm2_5i20.0
[20:27:44] <SWPadnos> the hm2_pci driver will operate all of the PCI boards found, so if you have two types of board, you'll get something like hm2_5i20.0 and hm2_5i23.0
[20:30:19] <DaViruz> http://daviruz.meeep.net/DSC_0063.jpg
[20:30:22] <DaViruz> i'm in loove
[20:30:24] <DaViruz> sort of
[20:30:30] <andypugh> sorry, forgive me for throwing a red herrring into the pool
[20:32:49] <danimal_garage> i dunno, i'm lost
[20:33:05] <danimal_garage> i just have a 5i20 and some daughter boards
[20:33:47] <micges> danimal_garage: are you running emc from shortcut?
[20:34:11] <danimal_garage> yes
[20:34:20] <micges> so
[20:34:32] <micges> open your hal config
[20:34:46] <danimal_garage> k
[20:35:06] <micges> add 'show all' line before errror one in *.hal file
[20:35:39] <micges> (show all means show all pieces of hal stuff)
[20:35:49] <micges> open terminal
[20:35:52] <micges> type emc
[20:36:03] <micges> choose your config and run
[20:36:13] <danimal_garage> i dont know what you mean by error one... do you mean in a line above the line that gave me the error?
[20:36:22] <micges> yes
[20:36:26] <danimal_garage> ok
[20:37:50] <micges> scroll back terminal to see if you have timeout pin/param created
[20:39:51] <danimal_garage> looks like no
[20:40:14] <micges> pastebin whole terminal outpur
[20:41:52] <danimal_garage> http://pastebin.com/m3e10c94f
[20:43:14] <micges> ok now type dmesg in terminal and see if there are errors there
[20:44:14] <cradek> there are no hm2 pins there at all
[20:44:21] <SWPadnos> there is no - right
[20:49:36] <andypugh> I think they might have scrolled out of the history
[20:50:13] <andypugh> No, that's not likely, is it, they would begin with "h")
[20:50:48] <micges> danimal_garage: how it's going?
[20:51:42] <danimal_garage> sorry, customer called
[20:52:09] <micges> np
[20:53:52] <danimal_garage> http://pastebin.com/d22320fbf
[20:53:57] <danimal_garage> that's the dmesg
[20:55:07] <andypugh> It loads the hm2 driver, then immediately unloads it
[20:56:01] <danimal_garage> yea
[20:56:05] <danimal_garage> noticed that too
[20:56:39] <micges> in between try to load hm2 driver first before any classicladder stuff
[20:57:08] <danimal_garage> ok
[20:57:23] <danimal_garage> i guess i can # out the cl stuff for now, since i lost my ladder :(
[20:58:53] <danimal_garage> same error
[20:59:13] <micges> hmm
[20:59:35] <danimal_garage> maybe a hardware error?
[20:59:58] <micges> describe stepbystep what you've did since last running config
[21:00:28] <andypugh> Is there an "echo" in halcmd?
[21:01:24] <andypugh> OK, no there isn't
[21:01:58] <andypugh> I would like to see what loadrt [HOSTMOT2](DRIVER) config=[HOSTMOT2](CONFIG) really looks like
[21:02:40] <andypugh> Though I would expect an error message if it was garbage.
[21:03:10] <danimal_garage> i lost everything on my harddrive
[21:03:14] <danimal_garage> this is a fresh install
[21:03:28] <danimal_garage> i'm using a copy of the hal i had on a flash drive
[21:03:29] <andypugh> It might be worth trying it as an explicit line.
[21:03:51] <danimal_garage> the hal worked fine as is in the old install
[21:04:05] <micges> are you using same emc version before and now?
[21:04:08] <andypugh> With the same .ini file too?
[21:04:14] <danimal_garage> no, i'm updating now
[21:04:23] <danimal_garage> not the same ini. ini was lost
[21:04:43] <andypugh> I suspect that it is something being read from the ini.
[21:04:51] <andypugh> What happens if you put in
[21:05:15] <danimal_garage> put what in?
[21:05:29] <andypugh> loadrt hm2_pci config="firmware=hm2/5i20/SVST8_4.BIT num_encoders=3 num_pwmgens=1 num_stepgens=3"
[21:06:24] <PCW> Also to check for a hardware problem, you might verify that the LiveCD hm2 servo config runs (disconnect your daughter cards to test)
[21:06:28] <micges> I would wait and check all again after update
[21:06:45] <micges> hi PCW
[21:07:00] <PCW> hi micges
[21:07:59] <andypugh> I wonder if PCW knows anything about Mesa cards?
[21:08:04] <andypugh> :-)
[21:08:55] <PCW> too much probably
[21:09:22] <danimal_garage> i see a couple red led's on on the 5i20
[21:09:47] <PCW> No pins may be because the firmware failed to load hence red LEDs
[21:09:55] <danimal_garage> hmm
[21:10:06] <micges> danimal_garage: restart
[21:10:19] <danimal_garage> it's still updating, i gotta wait a few
[21:10:24] <micges> ok
[21:10:28] <PCW> .BIT file not found, card not found etc
[21:10:45] <danimal_garage> 4 minutes left
[21:12:19] <cradek> you're running a git run-in-place build?
[21:12:48] <danimal_garage> ?
[21:13:00] <danimal_garage> it's installed on the HD if thats what you mean
[21:13:12] <micges> cradek: I think not
[21:13:16] <cradek> ok
[21:13:37] <danimal_garage> 43 seconds left!
[21:13:43] <micges> yay
[21:16:07] <danimal_garage> ugh now it's all gotta install
[21:27:58] <danimal_garage> it works
[21:28:07] <jthornton> Weee
[21:28:10] <danimal_garage> all i did was update it
[21:28:23] <danimal_garage> yay
[21:28:36] <danimal_garage> how goes yours jt-plasma?
[21:29:18] <jthornton> planning on how to mount the computer and Mesa cards and stuff
[21:29:37] <jthornton> ordered a slab of 6061 to mount it all on
[21:29:43] <cradek> old case + air nibbling tool = computer and mesa card mount
[21:29:56] <cradek> (+ grinder)
[21:30:32] <jthornton> I took apart 4 cases and non were what I'd call "what I want" and one would not even fit LOL
[21:30:44] <cradek> hah, ok
[21:31:00] <danimal_garage> thought about that cradek, but i just put some standoffs on the enclosure mounting plate, then welded on a bracket to hold the cpu fan and support the pci cards
[21:31:20] <danimal_garage> much sturdier than a computer case
[21:31:37] <jthornton> I gotta figure out what kind of cpu form I have and order a normal heat sink and fan I think
[21:31:52] <danimal_garage> yea, i had some big weird one too
[21:32:08] <danimal_garage> didnt feel like buying a new heatsink so i made it work
[21:32:12] <jthornton> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Hardinge/computer01.jpg
[21:32:29] <jthornton> http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f163/johnplctech/Hardinge/computer02.jpg
[21:33:02] <jthornton> I could make that one work if I provided a place to mount the fan above the copper flower thingy
[21:34:14] <danimal_garage> flower thingie lol
[21:34:36] <danimal_garage> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/DSCN0776.jpg
[21:34:42] <jthornton> I didn't know how to describe it LOL... did you see the dust on it?
[21:35:37] <danimal_garage> you can see where i just used .125x.625 steel to fab up a power supply bracket and a c frame to hold the pci cards and cpu fan
[21:35:49] <jthornton> did you just bend a piece for the i/o cards to screw to?
[21:35:57] <danimal_garage> cut and welded
[21:36:06] <jthornton> looks nice
[21:36:09] <danimal_garage> thanks
[21:36:19] <danimal_garage> really sturdy, and it didnt take long at all
[21:38:07] <jthornton> * jthornton tries to figure out how to best use this new 450 Sq." of table space after moving the old 6.06 computer out :)
[21:38:08] <danimal_garage> i had a few computer cases i thought about cutting up, but they were all pretty thin steel, and i know i'd rip my hands open working on it
[21:38:22] <danimal_garage> haha
[21:39:28] <danimal_garage> guess i should finish tuning my mill
[21:39:32] <danimal_garage> i kinda need it
[21:54:18] <acemi> the tool can exceed the soft limit in MDI mode. is this a bug?
[21:54:31] <acemi> 2.4_branch
[21:55:56] <micges> acemi: describe
[21:57:09] <acemi> for example, I opened the stepper_mm, homed all axis and then "g2 x1000 y1000 r800 f2000" command in MDI
[21:57:36] <acemi> the movement started but after some point, it exceeded the soft limit
[21:58:25] <micges> with no error?
[21:58:33] <acemi> with error
[21:58:56] <acemi> for G0 and G1 the movement don't start, give a message
[22:00:13] <jt-plasma> * jt-plasma gits git on the hardinge computer
[22:00:26] <micges> and for g2?
[22:01:03] <acemi> for g2, the tool started to move and it moves until exceeding the soft limit
[22:03:56] <cradek> extents checking for arcs is only smart enough to check the endpoint, not the whole arc
[22:04:19] <cradek> so it will happily run the arc until it hits the soft limit, then stop
[22:04:38] <cradek> it's always been like that, and it'd be great if someone would fix it
[22:05:45] <andypugh> Hmm, Wildcat CAD is rather cool, very slick and looks good. Doesn't actually do anything much at all, but it is very slick at it :-)
[22:05:48] <acemi> axis checks this in auto mode, doesn't it?
[22:06:04] <cradek> yeah it is slightly smarter about checking them
[22:06:17] <cradek> so I guess there are several checks, all imperfect :-/
[22:09:24] <danimal_garage> hmm well looks like i got this thing tuned ok again
[22:09:36] <jt-plasma> if you want to checkout 2.4 where can you go to see all the branches and how they are spelled?
[22:09:54] <danimal_garage> is 2.4 out already?
[22:10:12] <jt-plasma> no, a branch has been made
[22:10:14] <danimal_garage> i'm still on 2.3.4 and i just updated
[22:10:21] <danimal_garage> oh
[22:10:23] <alex_joni> 2.3.4 is the last
[22:10:28] <alex_joni> check topic ;)
[22:10:28] <danimal_garage> ok
[22:10:53] <jt-plasma> me :?
[22:11:00] <danimal_garage> ha, even if i did, i still wouldnt know what the hell is going on half the time
[22:11:16] <danimal_garage> it's all greek to me
[22:11:22] <jt-plasma> I got the other half covered
[22:11:27] <danimal_garage> ha
[22:11:30] <alex_joni> /topic #emc
[22:11:37] <alex_joni> Latest release: EMC 2.3.4
[22:11:46] <alex_joni> ^^ doesn't sound greek to me ;)
[22:12:35] <danimal_garage> still does to me. i dont know what /topic #emc is supposed to mean or do
[22:13:14] <jt-plasma> in chatzilla the topic is up at the top of the page
[22:13:55] <danimal_garage> <~~~ doesnt even know what chatzilla is
[22:14:20] <danimal_garage> guessing something like mirc?
[22:14:38] <jt-plasma> my irc thingy from firefox
[22:14:43] <danimal_garage> oh
[22:14:48] <danimal_garage> i use mirc
[22:15:14] <jt-plasma> this was the first one I could get to work for me :)
[22:15:24] <danimal_garage> i'm on a windows machine
[22:15:44] <jt-plasma> I use the chatzilla on all machines
[22:15:56] <danimal_garage> hmm
[22:15:59] <jt-plasma> including my backhoe
[22:16:07] <danimal_garage> ha
[22:16:16] <danimal_garage> your backhoe is emc'd?
[22:16:21] <jt-plasma> you use firefox?
[22:16:25] <jt-plasma> almost
[22:16:25] <danimal_garage> nope
[22:16:29] <Servos4ever_> Servos4ever_ is now known as Servos4ever
[22:16:50] <danimal_garage> that's be cool, you can make your backhoe into a robot
[22:16:51] <jt-plasma> never mind then
[22:17:14] <jt-plasma> that thing takes a smooth touch
[22:17:28] <jt-plasma> John Deere 310A model
[22:17:54] <danimal_garage> big?
[22:18:05] <jt-plasma> 10k lbs or so
[22:18:10] <danimal_garage> still say robot
[22:18:19] <jt-plasma> I'm the robot LOL
[22:18:29] <danimal_garage> not bad, little bigger than the mill lol
[22:19:17] <jt-plasma> * jt-plasma wanders back to the hardinge computer and try to figure out how to get the 2.4 branch from git
[22:27:49] <danimal_garage> ok everything is back working right again, except for the toolchanger
[22:32:20] <jt-plasma> on the mill
[22:33:17] <jt-plasma> hmmm there must be a clue on this machine how I did it...
[22:33:36] <danimal_garage> yea the mill
[22:33:52] <danimal_garage> lol dont you love that?
[22:34:55] <jt-plasma> it is a bit frustrating at times...
[22:36:04] <danimal_garage> yea, i know very well unfortunately
[22:36:42] <andypugh> I am thinking it would be fun to hob gears on my mill. Unfortunately the head doesn't tilt.
[22:37:00] <andypugh> I suppose I could just always make slightly helical gears.
[22:37:10] <jt-plasma> * jt-plasma listens to Arlo Guthrie and Pete Seeger - I'm Changing my name to Chrysler LOL
[22:37:11] <archivist> add a rotary to the table
[22:37:44] <andypugh> I have a rotary table. I am wondering how best to match the helix angle of the hob.
[22:38:18] <archivist> add a rotary
[22:38:23] <andypugh> I could tilt the rotary axis, tilt the mill column, or tilt the head. I can't decide which I prefer.
[22:39:00] <archivist> I tilt the rotary
[22:39:39] <andypugh> That is probably the easiest for a fixed angle (I could just make a tapered adaptor plate)
[22:40:10] <andypugh> Or buy an adjustable angle plate, I suppose.
[22:40:20] <archivist> my vid on youtube has the rotary in a tiling vice
[22:40:26] <archivist> tilting
[22:41:42] <archivist> so much more is possible with stacked rotaries though
[22:41:49] <andypugh> I have a rather tiny table on my toy machine though.
[22:42:12] <jackc> you guys have steppers/servos on the rotary?
[22:42:17] <andypugh> I have briefly considered motorising a head-rotate
[22:42:20] <andypugh> Stepper
[22:42:21] <archivist> steppers
[22:42:35] <andypugh> It's a cheap rotary table, reworked.
[22:42:40] <jackc> nice
[22:42:54] <archivist> mine are only cheapo rotaries too
[22:44:07] <andypugh> It took more work than I expected, the bearing arrangment for the handwheels was too simplistic for a motor. I ended up with an arrangment of needle roller inside and outboard back-to-back angular contact bearings.
[22:44:09] <archivist> I was looking at an old pillar drill today, I may scrounge it and replace the base and column with it on the mill
[22:46:03] <andypugh> My milling head (mini mill type device) is two castings. I split them to insert a brass shim gasket so I could run the spindle full of oil rather than a handful of grease. I am wondering about swapping that gasket for two iron plates and a pivot, so that I can rotate the head.
[22:47:41] <andypugh> (This is a combined lathe/mill and this would also let me put the milling spindle on the same centreline as the lathe spindle. The fact it isn't bugs me.
[22:49:02] <andypugh> I am assuming that EMC supports spindle-coordinated rotary-axis motion?
[23:01:59] <archivist> it gets fun when you take into account the full maths for helicals
[23:03:39] <andypugh> I found that arc-eurotrade do hobs for £25, whereas the thread-milling cutters elsewhere are about £10 each, but only do a limited range of teeth-per-gear each
[23:03:54] <archivist> http://www.collection.archivist.info/hobbing.html
[23:04:56] <archivist> I have one of the £25 hobs, used it once for a job
[23:05:36] <andypugh> I have a few of the form cutters. I ought to just get on and do it.
[23:06:39] <archivist> arse end view of a barber colman hobbing machine I may have http://www.archivist.info/cnc/works2008/P1010212.JPG
[23:07:06] <archivist> looks a bit awkward to cnc
[23:07:18] <andypugh> Teeny!
[23:07:27] <archivist> only today was the front cleared to get a view
[23:08:12] <archivist> seems designed for watch size only
[23:09:30] <andypugh> http://school.mech.uwa.edu.au/~dwright/DANotes/gears/photos/BrownHobbing.jpeg
[23:10:02] <andypugh> That must have been proper dull to watch.
[23:10:04] <archivist> big mother
[23:11:01] <andypugh> I had never imagined they did them with such little cutters
[23:12:02] <danimal_garage> ahh, the white lab coat in a machine shop
[23:12:22] <danimal_garage> what is it with these people
[23:13:06] <danimal_garage> imagine scrapping that thing?
[23:13:20] <danimal_garage> you'd definitely be without a job
[23:15:18] <andypugh> At least you know it is going to work fairly early hobbing it. Imagine single-tooth cutting it, then weeks later finding you had 1.5 tooth spaces left.
[23:16:58] <frysteev> Jymmm: hey
[23:17:12] <andypugh> anyway, enough for tonight.
[23:17:36] <ds3> what's wrong with white lab coats in a shop? ;)
[23:20:01] <frysteev> question, does it matter what end i put the home/limit switches on?
[23:24:43] <frallzor> depends on yourself
[23:25:04] <frallzor> home you need in 1 end only, but limit would be good for both ends :P
[23:25:20] <frallzor> otherwise its limitless in 1 direction
[23:25:50] <frysteev> well does it matter which end the home swtich i on?
[23:26:01] <frallzor> depends on youself
[23:26:26] <frallzor> good idea to have it close to the place you stand at most
[23:26:32] <frallzor> why run around =)
[23:27:29] <frysteev> good point
[23:50:06] <danimal_garage> man talk about fate... i was stressing because my machine was down and i couldnt finish these parts, and i get a call saying the drawing was wrong and they had to change the id so it's actually good that i didnt make them.