#emc | Logs for 2010-01-09

[00:00:16] <MarkusBec> MarkusBec is now known as MarkusBec_away
[00:00:21] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: NOW DAMNIT! NOW!
[00:01:00] <GonMD> patience grasshopper
[00:01:19] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: NOW DAMNIT! NOW!
[00:01:20] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: NOW DAMNIT! NOW!
[00:01:21] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: NOW DAMNIT! NOW!
[00:02:19] <danimal_garage> ha
[00:02:28] <danimal_garage> needy
[00:02:55] <danimal_garage> i'll tell ya what, i'll show you a picture of the huge resistors i picked up today
[00:03:59] <danimal_garage> this computer sucks
[00:04:08] <danimal_garage> http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v20/danielwilcox/DSCN0746.jpg
[00:04:32] <danimal_garage> check those bad boys out
[00:04:56] <andypugh> Like electric fire elements, but bulkier :-)
[00:05:26] <danimal_garage> yea, but these will barely get warm
[00:05:33] <danimal_garage> which is important
[00:05:40] <danimal_garage> since it gets hot in here in the summer
[00:05:42] <andypugh> The heat output is the same...
[00:06:35] <danimal_garage> wont the ceramic absorb alot of it?
[00:06:43] <andypugh> Though there is the advantage that those won't melt other coponents
[00:07:39] <andypugh> The ceramic will absorb it, then re-radiate it until they get back to ambient temperature.
[00:07:51] <tom3p> nice inductors ;)
[00:08:02] <danimal_garage> tom3p: thanks!
[00:08:11] <danimal_garage> the price was right
[00:08:14] <tom3p> from an old edm?
[00:08:21] <danimal_garage> no idea
[00:08:32] <andypugh> Yeah, they aren't non-inductively wound are they?
[00:08:40] <danimal_garage> they had a stack of them though
[00:08:55] <tom3p> justa a joke bu tit might have some current storage
[00:08:58] <danimal_garage> andypugh: what does that mean?
[00:09:30] <danimal_garage> i'm not an electrical guru by any means remember
[00:09:38] <tom3p> a capcatitor stores voltage, and inductor stores current, an inductor is just a coil, those are coils
[00:09:42] <danimal_garage> i'm lucky i can plug stuff in
[00:10:21] <tom3p> dont worry, your application called for big resistors, and those are big resistors
[00:10:35] <andypugh> If you have half the coil running one way, and half the other, then there is no net inductance.
[00:11:18] <andypugh> but with that number of turns on that diameter I would guess the inductance will be relatively small.
[00:11:31] <danimal_garage> ah ok
[00:12:12] <jackc> the major point here is dont touch the outputs of the steppers when theyre running
[00:12:16] <jackc> L(di/dt) hurts
[00:12:38] <danimal_garage> jackc: these arent going on any steppers
[00:12:45] <jackc> oh sorry, misunderstood
[00:12:49] <danimal_garage> they're braking resistors for my VFD
[00:13:09] <jackc> yeah i didnt look at the pic first, oops
[00:13:49] <danimal_garage> with these and the braking unit i got on ebay, the manual says i'll get 100% braking torque
[00:14:30] <tom3p> 24"x4"dia maybe 15 ohms at 500W?
[00:14:49] <andypugh> I tried my lathe spindle last night. M3 S1000 then M4, and it reversed in less than one turn, with the 4-jaw chuck mounted.
[00:15:01] <tom3p> woof
[00:15:43] <andypugh> Long term having some resistors to dump the energy in to is probably better though.
[00:15:59] <danimal_garage> tom, 45ohm, 2kw
[00:16:22] <danimal_garage> each
[00:16:32] <tom3p> lets see, martini program: m3s1000 m4 m3 m4 m3 m4 m3....m5, aaah
[00:16:51] <danimal_garage> andypugh: is it a threaded chuck?
[00:17:01] <andypugh> Yes. It stayed on.
[00:17:07] <danimal_garage> lucky
[00:17:13] <danimal_garage> that could get ugly lol
[00:17:15] <andypugh> There is a setscrew
[00:17:19] <danimal_garage> ah ok
[00:17:41] <tom3p> so using resistors in parallel for 23 ohm?
[00:17:45] <danimal_garage> yes
[00:17:57] <jackc> 23 ohm will stop it?
[00:18:08] <danimal_garage> according the the manual, yep
[00:18:09] <tom3p> they'll handle the heat no problem
[00:18:16] <jackc> my braking resistors were 1ohm and still took the spindle a while, vs closed wires
[00:18:22] <andypugh> Don't you need a resistor for each phase?
[00:18:35] <danimal_garage> andypugh: no
[00:19:02] <andypugh> I guess there is a 3-phase rectifier in the braking unit then
[00:19:18] <danimal_garage> yea, there's only 2 wires
[00:19:34] <jackc> seems like a resistor between each of the phases would be the simplest way
[00:20:09] <danimal_garage> i dunno, i just do what the manual says
[00:20:27] <jackc> word
[00:20:33] <danimal_garage> i'm not too intuitive when it comes to this stuff
[00:20:51] <jackc> youre lucky
[00:20:54] <jackc> it sucks being an engineer
[00:21:19] <danimal_garage> i know, i was a manufacturing engineer... i'm sure it's equally as crappy
[00:21:25] <jackc> ah word
[00:21:30] <jackc> i minored in MFE
[00:21:36] <danimal_garage> cool
[00:21:56] <tom3p> one of my bookmarked sites http://www.cookingforengineers.com/ just liked the name
[00:22:27] <danimal_garage> i'm not degreed, i got promoted into it after being a toolmaker for a number of years
[00:22:38] <andypugh> Take 1 lb +/- 1 oz of plain flour?
[00:23:23] <danimal_garage> are you cutting cocaine?
[00:23:35] <andypugh> jackc: That comment reminds me of : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CmYDgncMhXw
[00:23:46] <jackc> 1lb of coke could prolyl fund a nice mill
[00:23:53] <danimal_garage> haha
[00:24:09] <jackc> andypugh: i like that one
[00:24:17] <danimal_garage> well i'm off to the post office, i'll be back later
[00:24:21] <danimal_garage> adios
[00:24:23] <jackc> what timezone?
[00:24:29] <danimal_garage> pacific
[00:24:31] <jackc> ahh
[00:24:32] <jackc> cheers
[00:24:36] <danimal_garage> u?
[00:24:51] <jackc> boston
[00:24:53] <jackc> ==EST
[00:24:58] <danimal_garage> ah cool
[00:25:03] <danimal_garage> i grew up in CT
[00:25:18] <jackc> ah where
[00:25:23] <danimal_garage> only been in CA for 5 years now
[00:25:31] <danimal_garage> Bristol and New Hartford
[00:25:37] <jackc> ah cool cool
[00:26:17] <danimal_garage> i miss it but dont miss the weather
[00:26:35] <jackc> the winter is realy cold and really dark
[00:26:40] <jackc> the summer is hot and wet
[00:26:45] <danimal_garage> yep
[00:26:52] <jackc> yeah it kinda sucks. but whatcha gonna do
[00:26:55] <danimal_garage> i figured you get about 3 good weeks total lol
[00:27:11] <jackc> the spring and fall are actually quite nice
[00:27:14] <jackc> a great october this year
[00:27:21] <jt-plasma> say goodnight Gracie
[00:27:25] <jackc> i spent a lot of time outside working on my plane with the leaves falling
[00:27:28] <danimal_garage> nite jt-plasma
[00:27:46] <danimal_garage> yea, i miss the spring
[00:27:49] <jt-plasma> going off to cook some chow for me and the missus
[00:28:00] <danimal_garage> i'll be right over!
[00:28:08] <jackc> ;-) i better find some food as well
[00:28:09] <jackc> cheers all
[00:28:10] <jackc> * jackc &
[00:28:15] <danimal_garage> adios
[00:28:26] <jt-plasma> sausage surprise in about 30 minutes
[00:29:17] <jt-plasma> I'll leave the light on...
[00:34:59] <danimal_garage> i'll pass!
[01:00:14] <andypugh> I found an undocumented feature of EMC2
[01:01:11] <andypugh> You can change the number of analogue inputs with num_aio, but the word num_aio appears nowhere on linuxcnc.org documentation.
[01:11:31] <R_Dan_P> greetings gurus. I am embarassed to say that I cannot get networking running on the 8.04/2.3 EMC2 distribution. I am not a rookie at this stuff. What am I missing?
[01:14:29] <Jymmm> electricity?
[01:14:59] <R_Dan_P> Just to save time, I have tried to configure the system both statically and via dhcp, using the networking tool and by modifying /etc/network/interfaces and /etc/recolv.conf.
[01:15:17] <R_Dan_P> Cute Jymmm, but no.
[01:15:52] <tom3p> is the hardware recognized?
[01:16:04] <R_Dan_P> say more?
[01:16:53] <R_Dan_P> This hardware was running a Debian kernel with networking until yesterday when I replaced it with the current system.
[01:17:17] <tom3p> look in messages, or dmesg to see that the hardware was known to the computer.
[01:18:32] <tom3p> yesterday with debian is not today with ubuntu ( sorry, but true)
[01:20:27] <R_Dan_P> what is the path to messages or dmesg?
[01:21:50] <tom3p> try System | Administration | Network Tools | then on 'Devices tab loook for your hardware ( if in list then it's recognized )
[01:23:09] <tom3p> use the drop down list 'Network device'
[01:23:12] <R_Dan_P> I show eth0 in network tools if that is what you mean.
[01:24:22] <tom3p> does it have a hardware addres ? ( just checking thats its not a result of files you edited )
[01:25:05] <R_Dan_P> yes eth0 has a hardware address under Interface information
[01:25:46] <tom3p> you should be able to configure it here ( it will ask for your password, on ubuntu its YOUR password, no special admin pwd is needed )
[01:26:54] <R_Dan_P> I have gone through the configuration ad nauseum, but I am happy to try again.
[01:27:14] <tom3p> you may need a reboot after config ( or restart networking something like sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart but i'm just guessing )
[01:28:32] <tom3p> and is it 'active ? last item (State:) in the info list on the devices tab
[01:31:55] <tom3p> argh (State <colon> )
[01:32:40] <lilalinux> lilalinux is now known as lilalinux_away
[01:33:28] <R_Dan_P> yes it was active. I have issued the restart, but it is now not finding a dhcp server and ifconfig is returning a bogus ip address.
[01:33:50] <cradek> maybe your dhcp server doesn't have any addresses left?
[01:34:49] <R_Dan_P> Nope everything is fine with the dhcp server.
[01:37:20] <Jymmm> R_Dan_P: what version of debian did you have on this previously?
[01:37:30] <tom3p> heh, mine just told me my i/f doesnt exist, so i'd suggest forgetting the ubuntu/gnome gui
[01:38:40] <R_Dan_P> I think it is debian 4.51 (it is what Sherline ships with there cnc packaged equipment.
[01:38:58] <Jymmm> what network card do you have it there right now?
[01:39:21] <Jymmm> ISA? PCI?
[01:39:42] <Jymmm> 3c509? 3c905? Intel?
[01:41:04] <R_Dan_P> No idea I have never cracked the case, let me see what the bios says
[01:41:17] <Jymmm> No, see what it is physically
[01:41:49] <R_Dan_P> easier said than done, give me a minute.
[01:50:25] <R_Dan_P> Motherboard is a K8M800 micro AM2 chipset is VIA K8M800 / VT8237R+
[01:56:29] <tom3p> sorry R_Dan_P, please find the ethernet hardware, maybe find the chip, maybe find it in BIOS. Linux cares about the chip not really the namebrand of board. for example mine is RTL-8139 (and you can find this stuff with 'sudo lshw')
[01:57:27] <R_Dan_P> alright let me give sudo lshw a try, machine is booting...
[02:00:25] <tom3p> if your ethernet cable plugs into the motherboard, the chip is on the motherboard, if it plugs into a car din a slot, its likely a pci card. in any case 'sudo lshw' should have an entry ( its loooong!) for *-network and description: ethernet interface
[02:00:53] <tom3p> followed by the goodies Jymmm wanted
[02:02:30] <R_Dan_P> lshw says chip is VT6102 it is on the motherboard
[02:03:22] <tom3p> cool, hey Jymmm! (past my ken R_Dan_P never heard of that chip )
[02:04:32] <R_Dan_P> VIA VT6102 "Rhine II"
[02:05:02] <tom3p> yah RhineII
[02:05:24] <tom3p> others have had this problem
[02:05:27] <tom3p> looking
[02:05:52] <R_Dan_P> should have been Rhine-II
[02:06:22] <tom3p> Your card is supported in Ubuntu.
[02:06:22] <tom3p> Open System/Administration/Network
[02:06:22] <tom3p> select 'Wired Connection' - check box to left; with Wired Connection highlighted select properties - at right, then deselect Roaming Mode; set configuration (top line) to Static IP address; then input the required data in the next 3 lines. Select OK, then Close.
[02:06:22] <tom3p> Should work!!
[02:06:28] <tom3p> copied wasnt too long
[02:06:40] <tom3p> any good?
[02:10:08] <R_Dan_P> do I need to restart networking?
[02:10:47] <tom3p> dunno, i do after i make changes (not a net guru a-tall )
[02:11:42] <R_Dan_P> restarting:
[02:14:03] <R_Dan_P> No Joy
[02:14:19] <tom3p> do you have via-rhine module installed? lsmod should show it in a list. if not sudo modprobe via-rhine should load it up, then a sudo /etc/init.d/networking restart
[02:16:08] <tom3p> really via-rhine should be autoinstalled cuz the hardware is autodetected, but thats my guess
[02:16:23] <R_Dan_P> Everything is on the motherboard and was working yesterday with Debian
[02:16:42] <R_Dan_P> lsmod shows "via-rhine"
[02:17:14] <tom3p> yes, ubuntu has a different hardware detection system, every distro seems to have a difference and each distro plays nice with some hardware and not so nie with others, thats linux
[02:18:10] <R_Dan_P> Unix and it's bastard children have been making my life miserable for > 30 years.
[02:18:20] <tom3p> ok, i'm outta guess, but found lotsa hits for 'via-rhine ubuntu hardy' it 'just works' for 91+% and its downhill from there for others
[02:18:21] <tom3p> heh
[02:18:45] <tom3p> idiot bastard son of <your fave here>
[02:19:17] <eric_unterhausen> possible that the rtai patch bungles the network modules somehow
[02:20:26] <R_Dan_P> Is that installed from the CD or as a update?, I have not installed updates "No network"
[02:20:51] <eric_unterhausen> you installed from the emc2 live cd?
[02:21:07] <tom3p> you may have been running a newer kernel than what we use on ubuntu hardy, its not at all bleeding edge, it stabile and thats why we use it
[02:21:13] <eric_unterhausen> I only scrolled back so far, sorry
[02:21:40] <R_Dan_P> I am running 8.04
[02:22:00] <eric_unterhausen> not the answer to my specific question
[02:22:13] <R_Dan_P> I imaged the disk from the site yesterday
[02:22:34] <eric_unterhausen> ok, so it's dl'ed from the linuxcnc site?
[02:22:45] <R_Dan_P> yes that is correct.
[02:23:43] <eric_unterhausen> last I checked, the live cd doesn't have every driver built
[02:24:01] <R_Dan_P> OK
[02:24:54] <eric_unterhausen> I'm lazy, I'd probably dl a generic ubuntu 8.04 and see if the problem persists
[02:25:43] <eric_unterhausen> from http://www.ubuntu.com/getubuntu/download
[02:26:30] <eric_unterhausen> web page is annoying, get 8.04lts
[02:27:32] <eric_unterhausen> if that works, it should be fairly simple to build the required modules for the emc2 system
[02:28:34] <R_Dan_P> I am willing to try anything that is remotely reasonable to get this sorted out.
[02:29:54] <eric_unterhausen> emc2 does use a different kernel due to rtai patch availability
[02:30:45] <R_Dan_P> I am assuming that rtai is some realtime hacks is that correct?
[02:31:19] <eric_unterhausen> don't know if hack is exactly the right word, but it provides the real-time functionality
[02:31:41] <tom3p> maybe useful for vt6012 http://www.linuxquestions.org/questions/linux-hardware-18/ethernet-card-not-recognized-ubuntu-server-620339/
[02:31:44] <eric_unterhausen> has to patch drivers so they don't do nasty interrupt tricks
[02:32:53] <tom3p> i remember a hell with a rhineII but that was wireless, not wired, worked but always dog slow
[02:33:02] <tom3p> on a gateway laptop
[02:33:26] <R_Dan_P> I don't know what it means but ifconfig reports transmit errors and dropped rx packets
[02:39:53] <tom3p> pastebin the output of igconfig ethN where N is whatever you got (pastebin.ca a place to put text for others to see )
[02:40:02] <tom3p> ifconfig ethN
[02:41:46] <tom3p> eh, i dunno if thats a security nono... i'm not a net guru
[02:42:07] <R_Dan_P> would be easier if network was working, or did I miss your meaning?
[02:42:25] <eric_unterhausen> I was going to mention that, but seemed obvious :)
[02:42:47] <tom3p> but you're talking now, you must have 2 computers, right?
[02:42:58] <R_Dan_P> yes
[02:43:05] <eric_unterhausen> he has to type it though
[02:43:27] <tom3p> ok, i mean posting your mac address may not be smart
[02:44:01] <R_Dan_P> good point.
[02:44:01] <tom3p> thats in the ifconfig report
[02:45:06] <tom3p> iirc the important thing was the line "UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST MTU:1500 Metric:1"
[02:45:11] <tom3p> got that?
[02:45:24] <R_Dan_P> yes I do
[02:46:10] <tom3p> i'd like to say the rest is just configuration, but you should find a better guide
[02:46:58] <tom3p> got one of those dsl modems? can you ping it, go to it's internal web page?
[02:47:34] <R_Dan_P> I am not able to ping or be pinged
[02:47:48] <tom3p> 'network unreachable' ?
[02:48:10] <R_Dan_P> Destination host unreachable
[02:49:11] <tom3p> sorry Dan, thats good info and would tell someone what to do ( but not us )
[02:51:32] <eric_unterhausen> I think you get that a lot when your driver chain isn't working
[02:51:41] <jackc> whats ifconfig eth0 say
[02:51:45] <jackc> does it have an IP?
[02:52:26] <R_Dan_P> yes eth0 has an appropriate IP.
[02:52:33] <jackc> sorry - so whats the issue?
[02:52:44] <eric_unterhausen> which it got from a dhcp server?
[02:52:45] <R_Dan_P> no network
[02:53:25] <jackc> uh did you set the IP manually?
[02:53:31] <R_Dan_P> The only visible problem is that ifconfig reports transmit errors 7 out of 25
[02:53:44] <jackc> sounds like duplex mismatch
[02:54:18] <R_Dan_P> yes and via dhcp (not at the same time of course)
[02:54:40] <jackc> is it going into a home router thingy or a hub or what
[02:54:50] <jackc> dmsg|grep eth0
[02:54:54] <jackc> *dmesg
[02:55:32] <R_Dan_P> dlink router runs my whole world does dhcp and nat
[02:56:07] <jackc> hm
[02:57:54] <R_Dan_P> eth0: link up 100mbs full duplex, lpa 0x45E1
[02:58:24] <jackc> hm
[02:58:30] <jackc> is this a laptop or desktop
[02:58:59] <R_Dan_P> earlier messages NETDEV watchdog: eth0 transmit timed out, desktop.
[03:06:33] <R_Dan_P> Thanks to all for the help, I need to go think (drink). I will report back with progress/problems.
[03:20:45] <danimal_garage> problems with drinking?
[03:20:59] <danimal_garage> never heard of it
[03:33:43] <GonMD> use a hammer. it fixes just about everything
[03:58:48] <tom3p> the component debounce.N.M is weird to encapsulate in a graphic. i'm gonna make several, maybe up to 8 wide, even thats gonna be a trip to automatically make the 'debounce cfg= blah' entry for the hal file
[04:00:56] <GonMD> i need to fix a bug in EMC thats causing me problems
[04:02:40] <tom3p> yeh, im gonna avoid the weirdness and make a debounce1.N, debounce2.N ... debounce8.N and skip the debounce.N.M thing altogether
[04:05:56] <tom3p> GonMD it may be a good idea to discuss the bug with the developers, and submit a bug report, then the 'fix' will benefit all
[04:06:48] <GonMD> im hunting for the report link:p its the gcode buffer bug, if you hit pause, and then hit go again, itll only do 100 lines from that point and then stop and reset the program.
[04:08:10] <cradek> I think it's if you step into the beginning of the program, instead of run then pause then step
[04:09:22] <GonMD> okay. ill test that out tomorrow then. its too cold to go out to the garage tonight...
[04:10:04] <cradek> (I thought it was 1000 lines, not 100?)
[04:10:30] <cradek> I've heard this report before but I've not had it happen to me...
[04:11:10] <tom3p> micges said "its a know problem' 2009-12-30
[04:11:19] <tom3p> yes 1000
[04:11:20] <GonMD> i have not run any programs over 1000 lines, but i had this bug happen to me twice.
[04:11:25] <jackc> i used hardware debounce
[04:11:40] <cradek> GonMD: did you run then pause, or step from line 1?
[04:11:51] <GonMD> step from line 1
[04:11:57] <cradek> ok
[04:12:16] <cradek> I know micges has worked on it, but I don't think he has a fix. He is doing so many things right now...
[04:13:17] <GonMD> ah, okay. im just working out the best way to swap out tools after a roughing pass to swap the endmill to the finish pass ball mill
[04:13:20] <tom3p> micges> workaround is to press start (r shortcut) and quickly press pause (p) and then press step (t) until your safe and then press (s) to continue
[04:13:54] <cradek> GonMD: with repeating tool lengths or no?
[04:14:11] <GonMD> yes.
[04:14:22] <cradek> but manual tool change?
[04:14:30] <GonMD> yes.
[04:14:41] <cradek> if you issue Tn M6 with manual tool change configured, you'll get a prompt
[04:15:05] <cradek> you can have it move straight up, or to a safe place, before prompting
[04:15:10] <GonMD> oh cool. that will work out better then
[04:20:02] <tom3p> why was there multiples on the debounce component? wouldnt a unit component work? or is there some kind of multiple pole relay thingy we're concerned with? i'm missing something here and dont want to toss it out in the gEDA scheme.
[04:20:42] <danimal_garage> cradek: i'm hooking up the pico board to the mesa board, but the mesa manual doesnt help me out with this, it just says enca0 or /enca0...... do i hook up the positive lead for encoder a output from the pico board to encao, and the negative lead from the pico board to /enca0, and so on for each one?
[04:21:43] <cradek> tom3p: I don't know... kind of odd - seems like it's the only one remotely like that
[04:22:13] <tom3p> cradek: thx, i'll take my best guess , no ones using it yet anyway
[04:22:41] <cradek> danimal_garage: yes. they are differential so each line has two opposing signals.
[04:23:07] <danimal_garage> gotcha, just making sure, the slash threw me off
[04:23:09] <tom3p> pos goes to enca0 and neg to /enca0
[04:23:30] <tom3p> '/' = not
[04:23:31] <cradek> danimal_garage: be sure you set the 7i33 for differential input! also be sure you set the right jumpers - it's weird
[04:23:50] <danimal_garage> ok, will do, thanks
[04:25:09] <danimal_garage> i wish i got another 7i37 instead of a 7i42
[04:26:04] <cradek> oh is that kind of a no-isolation equivalent?
[04:26:25] <danimal_garage> 7i42 is just a breakout board
[04:26:34] <danimal_garage> i think it is isolated though
[04:26:51] <cradek> no, don't think so
[04:27:18] <cradek> In addition to providing a breakout function, the 7I42 protects the FPGA card from excessive input voltages and ESD. The 7I42 protects FPGA I/O from accidental contact from external voltages of +12 and -5V with built in diode clamps and 50 Ohm current limit resistors in series with all I/O pins.
[04:27:45] <danimal_garage> yea your right, i just checked
[04:28:49] <danimal_garage> i can just make another board to isolate the outputs
[04:29:29] <cradek> or just send it back? I'm sure mesa wouldn't mind replacing it if you ordered the wrong thing
[04:29:40] <danimal_garage> just get some optoisolators
[04:30:10] <danimal_garage> eh, i ordered it on purpose, but i ran out of outputs on my 7i37 faster than i thought
[04:30:39] <danimal_garage> even if i got another 7i37, i wont have enough outputs i dont think
[04:31:01] <danimal_garage> so i'm actually better off with the 7i42 because i can make them all outputs
[04:31:07] <cradek> ah
[04:31:22] <tom3p> what eats up so much i/o ?
[04:32:18] <danimal_garage> 2 for the vfd, one for lube, 2 for the collet closer, 1 for the brake, 2 for the hi/low gear, one for coolant, the tool turret, etc
[04:32:59] <danimal_garage> part chute, cuttoff slide
[04:33:21] <danimal_garage> and i'm sure i'm forgetting stuff
[04:33:46] <tom3p> yeh see you'd want 24 out for starts
[04:34:55] <danimal_garage> the 7i42 will work fine, i just need to make a board to isolate the outputs
[04:35:13] <danimal_garage> that'll only cost like $10
[04:35:26] <tom3p> in edm i need 8 bits for on time 8 for off, 8 for current 4 for voltage,, it goes thru i/o like pizza on friday night
[04:35:37] <tom3p> look at awallin's design
[04:38:19] <tom3p> http://www.anderswallin.net/2006/08/optoisolator-cards-for-mesa-5i20-servocard/
[04:39:08] <danimal_garage> you have an edm running on EMC?
[04:39:18] <tom3p> not yet
[04:39:25] <tom3p> trying
[04:39:38] <danimal_garage> thanks for the link
[04:39:44] <danimal_garage> wire or sinker?
[04:39:53] <tom3p> sink & orbiting
[04:39:57] <danimal_garage> sweet
[04:40:13] <danimal_garage> i'd love to see that in action
[04:40:19] <tom3p> me too ;)
[04:40:22] <danimal_garage> ha
[04:40:34] <danimal_garage> i'd LOVE to build a wire edm
[04:40:57] <danimal_garage> but that is wayyyy out of my league
[04:41:11] <tom3p> buy a used on with a bad control, they're massive, hard to build anything stiff enuf
[04:41:17] <tom3p> on/one
[04:42:37] <danimal_garage> yea that was the plan, i certainly wouldnt actually build one
[04:43:18] <danimal_garage> i need to get alot more familiar with EMC before i tackle that project though
[06:59:48] <danimal_garage> well, the pico resolver to encoder boards seem to work
[06:59:58] <danimal_garage> now i just have to tune everything
[09:40:42] <lilalinux_away> lilalinux_away is now known as lilalinux
[10:12:52] <MOGLI> anyone have exp with PLUTO-P Servo & STEPPER?? DO I NEED JTAG CABLE?? HOW TO DETECT HARDWARE??
[10:14:33] <MOGLI> helllo please help...
[10:17:25] <pjm__> good morning
[10:34:07] <MOGLI> helllo sorry i got dc... can anyone help me with PLUTO-P SERVO? how to detect that card??
[10:42:37] <MOGLI> helllo anybody here??? cradek, alex_joni please help
[10:57:33] <MOGLI> hellllo
[11:08:10] <alex_joni> MOGLI: usually you just plugi n the card and run the sample config
[11:08:19] <alex_joni> can't say I know more than that..
[11:08:33] <alex_joni> I do know the port needs to be in EPP mode, and maybe there's some usefull messages in dmesg
[11:11:32] <MOGLI> thanks alex_joni... hey u sure that i dont need JTAG CABLE?? for BOTH STEPPER AND SERVO CONFIGS??
[11:13:29] <MOGLI> and which config should i choose?? lathe-pluto???
[11:16:06] <alex_joni> that's for a lathe
[11:16:13] <alex_joni> look in stepper iirc
[11:16:23] <alex_joni> there should be a pluto-step somewhere
[11:16:31] <alex_joni> err.. pluto-servo if you need that
[11:20:25] <MOGLI> not its not there :( i am using EMC 2.3.4 :(
[11:23:03] <MOGLI> can i download config files from anywhere??
[11:37:41] <alex_joni> hang on
[11:38:29] <alex_joni> I think lathe-pluto is your best bet
[11:38:59] <alex_joni> it's only XZ, but you should be able to extend it to 3 axes quite easily
[11:39:22] <alex_joni> you might want to wait for jepler, he knows way more about pluto (he wrote the stuff ;)
[11:39:32] <alex_joni> but it's night in the US, so it'll be a couple hours
[11:52:17] <MOGLI> ok thanks alex_joni.. i will try for lathe-pluto ..
[11:54:34] <Jymmm> * Jymmm looks.... Yep, it's dark out
[12:02:47] <MOGLI> helllo jepler.. can you please guide me regarding pluto-p servo and stepper... do i need JTAG cable??
[12:39:27] <lilalinux> lilalinux is now known as lilalinux_away
[14:32:36] <MOGLI> helllo mr. jepler u there?? i need information abt pluto-p stepper configuration
[14:38:13] <lilalinux_away> lilalinux_away is now known as lilalinux
[14:49:01] <MOGLI> can anybody help me with PLUTO-P Stepper...?
[14:50:23] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[14:51:05] <lilalinux> lilalinux is now known as lilalinux_away
[15:54:29] <MOGLI> can anybody help me with PLUTO-P Stepper...?
[15:59:12] <micges> MOGLI: on usa there is 9:00 now, please be patient, if someone will read your question and answer
[16:00:25] <micges> MOGLI: in meantime you can read all docs available on http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//drivers_pluto_p.html
[16:07:16] <jthornton> MoGLI: You might try the mailing list as an alternate to the IRC
[16:07:45] <micges> he left
[16:11:26] <jthornton> micges: I don't see join leave anymore, thanks
[16:11:42] <eric_unterhausen> how do you turn that off?
[16:11:53] <eric_unterhausen> sometimes it's hard to see the conversation
[16:13:57] <jepler> each irc client is different. in xchat, http://xchat.org/faq/#q211
[16:15:01] <jepler> mogli and anyone else should ask his questions directly on irc or the mailing list, not address them to me or communicate privately. While I wrote the pluto-p software, I do not support it.
[16:16:03] <eric_unterhausen> you need a plugin for pidgin
[16:18:33] <jthornton> I use chatzilla and you can change the CSS file to stop that
[16:21:54] <eric_unterhausen> OT: do all Series II bridgeports have box ways?
[16:23:49] <eric_unterhausen> guess not, found one with saddle ways
[16:24:19] <roh> hm.. anybody a good dxf thumbnailer?
[16:25:40] <jepler> oh, and in case mogli reads this later in the logs: no, you do not need a "JTAG Cable" to use pluto-p with emc. the pluto-p card is programmed over the parport whenever emc starts. When running, the "jtag" connector is used to provide general purpose inputs if I recall correcty (see pinout in docs).
[16:26:25] <roh> means like vec2web is good enough, i just got no x11 (and it needs it seemingly, regardless of no x11 output
[16:27:14] <roh> * roh hacked up a trac plugin to display previews of dxf in the svn while browsing
[16:28:06] <jepler> roh: yeah that is unfortunate about vec2web. Perhaps you can arrange for Xvnc (intended as a "remote access X server") to be running for it to use..
[16:28:39] <roh> will not happen. rather i kill the whole experiment
[16:29:42] <roh> to be fair, i am a bit irritated, not to find more ready working apps doing such stuff. wonder what thingieverse uses
[16:31:51] <jt-plasma> Dang, I need to use the plasma table and it is 12" deep in crap :/
[16:38:17] <eric_unterhausen> welcome to my world, everything is covered in crap
[16:39:47] <jt-plasma> I'm just glad it is finally 40F in the shop nice and warm
[16:44:49] <lilalinux_away> lilalinux_away is now known as lilalinux
[16:57:01] <jepler> jt-plasma: riiiiight, warm
[16:59:35] <jt-plasma> heh, I took my coat off when it hit 45F just a few minutes ago
[17:08:40] <tarzan_> oC ?
[17:35:41] <lilalinux> lilalinux is now known as lilalinux_away
[18:20:10] <frallzor> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=92072 anyone know how to get this? =)
[18:20:19] <frallzor> seems pretty awesome
[18:20:51] <cradek> it's in our devel version
[18:21:16] <frallzor> aw =(
[18:21:35] <DaViruz> wow that's pretty neat for touchscreen use
[18:21:50] <DaViruz> maybe that's why it's called youchy..
[18:21:55] <DaViruz> *touchy
[18:21:55] <frallzor> yes =P
[18:22:13] <DaViruz> i like the file load thingy
[18:22:18] <frallzor> possible to implement it in the live-cd version?
[18:22:20] <cradek> it'll be in 2.4.0 but you can build and run it now
[18:22:42] <DaViruz> i think i will :-)
[18:24:55] <frallzor> stupid to ask how to do it? =)
[18:26:38] <cradek> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#On_Ubuntu_6_06_or_8_04_from_source
[18:28:00] <frallzor> ah I was thinking it was doing it from scratch with rtai and stuff
[18:28:08] <cradek> no no no
[18:28:14] <cradek> just build emc git-master
[18:28:58] <frallzor> I see, im a "stupid" n00b so I can try at least, otherwise ill just plague DaViruz for help =P
[18:29:06] <frallzor> he loved to be bothered
[18:29:09] <frallzor> *loves
[18:29:27] <DaViruz> yes it's my one single joy in life
[18:29:44] <skinnYPuP> hmmm i had been thinking of a dt 366 touch scr tablet .... all the more reason
[18:30:13] <frallzor> I got a complete touchscreen comp on ebay för $100 _Å
[18:30:15] <frallzor> :P
[18:30:31] <skinnYPuP> http://cgi.ebay.com/Web-DT-366-Complete_W0QQitemZ260404976881QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLaptops_Nov05?hash=item3ca1589cf1
[18:31:04] <DaViruz> ooh 8"
[18:31:05] <DaViruz> nice
[18:31:23] <frallzor> http://cgi.ebay.com/Industrial-Computer-Nema-Housing-Touch-screen-XP-Repair_W0QQitemZ180451765639QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item2a03c36d87 I got one of these, but a working one =P
[18:31:51] <DaViruz> hmm miniPCI, there are minipci to pci adapters available, isn't there?
[18:31:55] <archivist_emc> here is an odd "lathe" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fkjd9PtfTX0&feature=related
[18:33:00] <DaViruz> wow, odd doesn't even begin to cover it
[18:33:13] <archivist_emc> :)
[18:33:20] <DaViruz> i wonder if those outside diameter turning tools are fixed
[18:33:36] <archivist_emc> its a capstan brought up to date
[18:34:37] <archivist_emc> just seeing it so you can borrow ideas is useful
[18:34:44] <tom3p> it didnt show the part eject or load
[18:34:50] <skinnYPuP> Check this out
[18:34:51] <skinnYPuP> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ufVBOf1ir8
[18:34:56] <archivist_emc> it did show load
[18:35:02] <DaViruz> adapters for running minipci cards in full size pci slots are plentyful
[18:35:04] <skinnYPuP> media center edition linux on web dt 366 tablet
[18:35:09] <DaViruz> bot the other way around seems to be less common..
[18:35:46] <DaViruz> http://www.interfacemasters.com/pdf/im380.pdf
[18:35:47] <DaViruz> wow
[18:35:49] <DaViruz> perfect
[18:36:01] <tom3p> ah, it wast was bar feed and had a parting
[18:37:21] <DaViruz> http://www.interfacemasters.com/products/im300.html
[18:37:23] <DaViruz> funky stuff
[18:37:37] <skinnYPuP> Had been thinking of one for linux MCE but with emc as well its a no brainer for 100 bucks
[18:37:56] <skinnYPuP> http://www.linuxmce.com/
[18:38:49] <DaViruz> $88 for the adapter, that'll end up costing more then the DT366 with shipping :/
[18:39:37] <frallzor> holy crap batman
[18:39:43] <tom3p> archivist google rotary transfer machine on youtube, esp the Tjoint example, in that one the other stations are working simultaneoulsly
[18:39:48] <frallzor> linux made the entire computer fully usable
[18:39:58] <frallzor> network is working the net too :P
[18:40:50] <frallzor> good Ive forgotten all about how to do what I want
[18:41:05] <skinnYPuP> there's more dt366's on fleebay than you can shake a stick at
[18:41:38] <frallzor> DaViruz feel like helping? :P
[18:42:10] <tom3p> if touchy gets popular, it should be known that using a pointer is a good idea on industrial touch screens, like the rubber end of a #2 pencil, or a rubber finger, so at next fest, the giveaway is... everyones gets the finger ;)
[18:42:32] <DaViruz> oh the dt366 is a tablet
[18:42:43] <DaViruz> i thought it was some kind of thin terminal
[18:43:51] <frallzor> how to "get" evtouch? :P
[18:44:02] <frallzor> forgotten the small knowledge I used to have =)
[18:45:42] <Dannyboy> I popped a chip on my hobby cnc board somehow :(
[18:45:53] <Dannyboy> and now my Z axis is getting a rest :o
[18:45:59] <Dannyboy> I was so close too
[18:46:18] <DaViruz> you can have my 4 axis hobbycnc card for shipping if you'd like
[18:46:45] <DaViruz> http://daviruz.meeep.net/cnc/pics/heatsink.jpg
[18:47:04] <tom3p> peck threading! emc2 got it?
[18:47:21] <cradek> peck tapping? sure you can do that
[18:47:25] <tom3p> cool
[18:52:17] <Dannyboy> DaViruz you serious?
[18:52:31] <DaViruz> yeah
[18:52:43] <DaViruz> i live in sweden thoug, don't know what the shipping might amount to
[18:52:48] <Dannyboy> hmmmm
[18:53:52] <DaViruz> about $35 it seems
[18:54:07] <frallzor> im trying to install my touchy and having some issues, pretty sure sudo apt-get install xf86-input-evtouch should work but it doesnt, any ideas? =)
[18:54:28] <Dannyboy> still better than paying 15ish for a chip
[18:55:14] <DaViruz> yeah you'll have lot's of spares this way
[18:55:14] <DaViruz> :)
[19:00:09] <skinnYPuP> geckos and be done with it
[19:00:34] <Dannyboy> geckos what :o
[19:01:57] <skinnYPuP> seem to always hear of the hobbycnc stuff burning our
[19:02:02] <skinnYPuP> out
[19:02:30] <Dannyboy> well it worked for 4 years >_>
[19:02:44] <Dannyboy> I dunno... sux to be me
[19:02:48] <Dannyboy> gecko a lot better?
[19:02:55] <skinnYPuP> I have g203's on my mill and g251's on my little paxton patterson / sherline lathe and never a prob
[19:03:31] <skinnYPuP> Have been excellent drives for my steppers
[19:03:39] <Dannyboy> hmm this is interesting
[19:03:51] <Dannyboy> so how do they work... you get 1 per motor?
[19:04:05] <skinnYPuP> yep
[19:04:28] <Dannyboy> ugg... that would make it like... 5 times the price :o
[19:04:33] <Dannyboy> I hope they wouldn't burn out xD
[19:05:12] <skinnYPuP> they sure have outlasted pc's around the shop
[19:05:25] <Dannyboy> yea you do get what you pay for
[19:05:30] <skinnYPuP> http://www.geckodrive.com/product.aspx?c=3&i=14469
[19:05:44] <skinnYPuP> Four 10-Microstep motor drives
[19:05:44] <skinnYPuP> - 0 to 3.5A rated phase current
[19:08:31] <Dannyboy> nice :/
[19:10:33] <Dannyboy> maybe I'll get that once I start making serious cash with this thing :P
[19:11:51] <skinnYPuP> Hear ya , if your hobbycnc boards lasted 4 yrs I'd say worth fixing
[19:12:49] <Dannyboy> yea I'm not running it 24/7 or anything
[19:13:00] <Dannyboy> just on and off... ya know... like any tool :P
[19:14:07] <Dannyboy> my dad just got some sweet stepper / ball screw combos off ebay... apparently "class 1" tollerances and all that... so we put them on and put plugs on the motors
[19:14:17] <Dannyboy> but one of the pins wasn't pushed in all the way
[19:14:19] <Dannyboy> and popped out
[19:14:26] <Dannyboy> I think it shorted something :/
[19:14:39] <Dannyboy> as usual... pay for my stupidity
[19:15:27] <DaViruz> i actually replaced my hobbycnc with gecko g203v
[19:15:39] <skinnYPuP> file under poop happens
[19:15:55] <Dannyboy> you like em?
[19:16:17] <DaViruz> yeah got both more torque and smoother operation
[19:16:45] <DaViruz> but i got them used for cheap, no sure i'd be up to pay for new ones
[19:16:52] <Dannyboy> cool... I'll keep that under advisment
[19:24:49] <andypugh> How much does it matter if an encoder wheel doesn't have a 50% duty cycle?
[19:26:06] <andypugh> (I have just made one, but the slitting saw made wider slots than I had hoped)
[19:31:55] <DaViruz> i can't see why that would matter at all, pretty much everything trigger on falling or rising edges
[19:39:39] <cradek> andypugh: what's it for?
[19:40:07] <cradek> if it's for motion, it matters a lot - if it's for a jogwheel, it doesn't matter at all
[19:41:23] <DaViruz> i guess it depends on weather you are going to use it in both directions or only one
[19:41:53] <cradek> that's not really the issue
[19:41:59] <cradek> it counts on both edges
[19:42:01] <DaViruz> or if you are goig to trigger of both edges
[19:44:55] <DaViruz> maybe i spoke a little too soon, without having all the facts or having thought it through
[19:50:13] <andypugh> Sorry, was washing up.
[19:50:21] <andypugh> it's for my late spindle
[19:50:27] <andypugh> (Lathe)
[19:51:13] <andypugh> I imagine I can probably stretch the pulses a bit by altering the trigger level of the comparators, and possibly the hysteresis.
[19:51:40] <archivist_emc> that would change with speed :(
[19:52:13] <andypugh> It shouldn't, I am talking about signal-level hysteresis.
[19:54:04] <andypugh> So, if my duty cycle is not 50%, apparent velocity will vary wildly, and threading (for example) is likely to stop working again? I have switched to a 7i43 so no longer have that rather useful position-interpolated pin..
[19:54:50] <cradek> yeah sorry, you especially want a good duty cycle for the spindle
[19:56:24] <andypugh> Exactly the place it is really hard to get one?
[19:57:16] <andypugh> Well, not hard, in fact it is probably rather easy if you can afford a commercial shaf encoder with a 50mm through-bore.
[19:57:32] <cradek> I think the usual solution is a belt, 1:1 pulleys, a normal shaft encoder
[19:58:01] <cradek> but yeah it's sure the hardest place to put an encoder
[19:58:54] <frallzor> is there a command like lspci but to see com-ports?
[19:59:27] <andypugh> Well, I will see how far I get by adjusting trigger levels, then possibly measure exactly what slot-width I got, and try again, hoping for consistency and a 276 slot encoder or whatever.
[20:04:33] <andypugh> Who can edit the manuals? The motmod page is a little incomplete.
[20:05:00] <cradek> anyone can, but usually it's jthornton who actually does it
[20:05:15] <andypugh> http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/man/man9/axis.9.html
[20:05:23] <cradek> I bet if you would send him a patch to update something he'd be tickled
[20:05:55] <andypugh> Has an odd url (doesn't match the title) and omits to mention num_dio and num_aio arguments.
[20:10:28] <tom3p> andypugh: is 'man 9 axis' better? i'm using that as template for components, so i hope its ok
[20:11:37] <andypugh> Sorry, I don't understand the question.
[20:12:12] <tom3p> try the command 'man 9 axis'
[20:12:34] <tom3p> and where are num_dio num_aio documented?
[20:12:44] <andypugh> nowhere
[20:12:56] <tom3p> some source, waht file
[20:13:34] <andypugh> num_dio gets a mention in the M62 G-code reference, and I guessed num_aio and found that it worked.
[20:15:06] <tom3p> moition.c
[20:16:33] <andypugh> The thing is, I am not sure that it is obvious when looking at the hal file that the documentation for the "motmod" component is found by typing 'man axis'
[20:17:51] <tom3p> are there pin for these things? ( motion.N.dio.n or such )
[20:18:26] <tom3p> cant do man axis you get info on the i/f Axis, try man 9 axis, you get info on motmod ;)
[20:18:56] <andypugh> and if you type man motmod, you get nothing
[20:20:07] <andypugh> Yes, there are pins. motion.digital-in-00 to motion.digital.in-NN where NN is set by the num_dio parameter to the loadrt motmod line in the hal file.
[20:20:15] <tom3p> motion.... yes just found em
[20:20:45] <tom3p> max 4 i think from code limits
[20:20:48] <tom3p> thx
[20:21:15] <andypugh> No, max 16 for analogue, but it seems happy with 25 for digital (not that I know if they work)
[20:23:30] <andypugh> num_aio is 1-16. num_dio is 1-64 (I just tried 100 and it told me not to be silly)
[20:24:05] <andypugh> If you are looking at the code, what other parameters are there?
[20:24:26] <andypugh> (I am guessing I would need emc-dev to see the code?)
[20:24:56] <tom3p> ok, code defaults to 4 but some overide i havent found is ... havent found other parms, trying to settle the dio aio thing first. anyone ever wired to these things? example?
[20:25:23] <tom3p> yes, i'm looking into files from git
[20:25:37] <andypugh> Let me try to build an example.
[20:26:25] <tom3p> just 1 line, are they from some i/f hardware like mesa?
[20:26:53] <andypugh> No, they become general-purpose hal pins visible to G-Code.
[20:27:41] <andypugh> So, you could net a pyvcp numeric control to one of the motion.analog pins, then read it into a G-code variable with M66
[20:30:16] <andypugh> Or, use a M64 to write a value to an output, to change the state of a mux compoinent in HAL to divert a value to somewhere else. The query which started me looking at this was someone wanting to choose between two different probe inputs.
[20:31:52] <tom3p> software not hardware ok
[20:32:27] <andypugh> I am considering making a pyvcp control panel with surface speed, cut and feed boxes that my general purpose lathe turning primitives can query.
[20:33:17] <andypugh> Though the pins can be connected to physical pins in HAL, so you could set it up to perform a loop of G-code until a physical pin goes high.
[20:33:55] <tom3p> still havent found the origin of EMCMOT_MAX_DIO or similar, going thru includes one at a time
[20:34:25] <GonMD> if i wanted to engrave an ar15, what application would you use for setting up the text?
[20:34:35] <andypugh> Does it help to say that this hal line works?
[20:34:36] <andypugh> loadrt [EMCMOT]EMCMOT base_period_nsec=[EMCMOT]BASE_PERIOD servo_period_nsec=[EMCMOT]SERVO_PERIOD num_joints=[TRAJ]AXES num_dio=5 num_aio=10
[20:37:15] <andypugh> GonMD have you seen loadrt [EMCMOT]EMCMOT base_period_nsec=[EMCMOT]BASE_PERIOD servo_period_nsec=[EMCMOT]SERVO_PERIOD num_joints=[TRAJ]AXES num_dio=5 num_aio=10
[20:37:24] <tom3p> 16 & 64 are the max as defined in mot_priv.h
[20:37:36] <andypugh> Sorry, can't copy and paste from a Virtual machine...
[20:37:38] <GonMD> nope
[20:38:44] <andypugh> Sorry GonMD, I meant http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Simple_EMC_G-Code_Generators#Text_Engraving_Software
[20:39:14] <tom3p> andypugh: thx, i get it, its a flag/semaphore, not hardware
[20:39:22] <frallzor> is there a "manage computer" in ubuntu like in windows? want to see if my serial touchscreen is working and seen by linux
[20:39:27] <andypugh> Free python code to engrave text, you can call it from inside Axis
[20:39:32] <GonMD> ive tried that, but it will not make the text small enough
[20:39:38] <GonMD> unless im just doing it wrong
[20:40:22] <andypugh> I have never tried it, but you might be able to fiddle it by switching to metric,,
[20:40:57] <andypugh> It might be that the font you chose doesn't exist small enough?
[20:42:03] <andypugh> Or is it just that the number box limits are too big? That should be easy enough to change in the python code (he says, never having looked at a python code in his life)
[20:42:12] <GonMD> hadnt thought of that. i have 1.835"x1.180" to work with
[20:59:33] <tom3p> emcmotcfg.h controls EMCMOT_MAX_DIO EMCMOT_MAX_AIO emcglb.h assigns (#defines) them to EMC_MAX_DIO EMC_MAX_AIO resp.
[21:00:07] <tom3p> that takes way too long to track things down, dang .h files belong in .../include
[21:01:36] <tom3p> frallzor check this for ser ports (tty's) http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-332009.html
[21:02:47] <frallzor> well i can see my ports =)
[21:04:37] <frallzor> getting a serial touchpanel running under linux wasnt a walk on roses =)
[21:04:50] <frallzor> isnt even
[21:04:52] <tom3p> ^^^ gives you the device namesd like /dev/usb/ttyUSB0 or /dev/ttyS1, you got that already?
[21:05:18] <frallzor> cant see the controller no matter what
[21:05:54] <frallzor> but im a newbie so Im not surprised
[21:06:02] <tom3p> ok, maybe you need a driver installed, whats the 'serial touchpanel' called?
[21:06:15] <frallzor> well i did get a evotouch driver
[21:06:46] <frallzor> xserver-xorg-evographics t
[21:06:49] <frallzor> -t =)
[21:07:02] <frallzor> xserver-xorg-input-evographics even
[21:07:41] <frallzor> only 2 serialports so if getting the other stuff right shouldnt be that hard to see which is working
[21:11:54] <tom3p> running ubuntu hardy?
[21:12:03] <tom3p> (8.04 lts)
[21:12:12] <frallzor> yes the live-cd and installed
[21:12:41] <frallzor> installed from the live-cd (8.04 that is)
[21:17:19] <tom3p> this may help, esp when they edit the rules,,, http://xbmc.org/forum/showthread.php?t=56348
[21:18:05] <frallzor> making the system finding the driver?
[21:20:26] <frallzor> sudo nano /etc/udev/rules.d/69-touchscreen.rules should this allready be there do you think or is he making a new rule for touch?
[21:20:36] <tom3p> the system 'finds' the driver ok if you see it in the list propduces by 'lsmod'
[21:21:35] <tom3p> if you look at your rules file and see the data listed in the url ^^^, then it was automatic somehow, else its still needed and hasnt been done
[21:22:03] <frallzor> my rules file named like that is empty
[21:22:19] <frallzor> should it be? =)
[21:22:32] <tom3p> hang on, that may not be a real file, lemme look
[21:22:54] <frallzor> think he is just making a new rule to make it work
[21:23:57] <tom3p> yes hes making new rule, he sez insert and if your file is empty, well still means insert
[21:25:32] <frallzor> guess ill do that then =)
[21:26:36] <tom3p> in his stuff on 'edit monitor, only add the ' Section "InputDevice" ' fragment
[21:27:49] <frallzor> bah hot to save in nano?
[21:28:26] <tom3p> then reboot 'sudo reboot' and should be done
[21:29:07] <frallzor> *how
[21:29:45] <frallzor> nm got it =)
[21:31:28] <tom3p> ^o
[21:31:48] <tom3p> theres a key guide at bottom of sreen
[21:32:21] <frallzor> lets see if it works then =)
[21:32:32] <frallzor> all done and rebooting
[21:32:47] <tom3p> & <-- crossed fingeers ;)
[21:33:07] <frallzor> the computer is burning and smoking, thats good yes?
[21:33:20] <tom3p> swnif snif,,, hhmmmm
[21:33:45] <frallzor> booted all up again but still no touchy
[21:35:02] <tom3p> dmesg | grep tty any different?
[21:35:30] <frallzor> nope
[21:35:37] <frallzor> still just see the 2 ports
[21:36:34] <frallzor> hmm I didnt add the serverlayout part though
[21:36:37] <tom3p> that last comment, you dont get more serial ports, you just attach a device to one. make sense?
[21:36:56] <frallzor> yeah but I mean I dont see something attached to them =)
[21:36:57] <tom3p> or is this some usb thingy?
[21:37:00] <frallzor> look the same
[21:37:28] <tom3p> ok, its a 9 pin serial cord to the touch screen
[21:37:49] <frallzor> fairly certain that is the case
[21:38:05] <frallzor> it connects to serial at least =)
[21:39:52] <tom3p> does this exist ? /dev/input/evtouch
[21:40:14] <frallzor> i was just browsing around trying to find it
[21:40:43] <frallzor> I have to say now if you mean just trying to find it on the harddrive
[21:40:49] <frallzor> *now = no
[21:40:51] <tom3p> just ls /dev/input/evtouch
[21:40:55] <frallzor> ah
[21:41:15] <frallzor> hmm no
[21:41:21] <frallzor> strange
[21:41:37] <tom3p> ok, you have to work on that part, i gotta get to work
[21:42:11] <frallzor> thanks anyway =) ill try to get that bugger going then
[21:42:47] <tom3p> actua;lly i gotta get a laptop's builtin web cam recognized by ubuntu so sorta the same thing
[21:42:55] <tom3p> good luck
[22:28:47] <danimal_garage> so it's time to tune my servos
[22:29:10] <danimal_garage> they're all wired up and they seem to work somewhat
[22:30:31] <andypugh> I have servos upstairs and the drives arrived in the uk in a friends luggage today. I am not sure I can be bothered converting it all, though
[22:30:50] <danimal_garage> it's steppers now?
[22:30:54] <andypugh> Yes
[22:31:05] <danimal_garage> if it aint broke, dont fix it
[22:31:30] <andypugh> It isn't even finished, it's a bit early to say if it is broke.
[22:31:38] <danimal_garage> oh
[22:31:39] <GonMD> wwwwoooo, just cut some aliuminum without breaking anything
[22:31:55] <danimal_garage> good work GonMD!
[22:32:14] <andypugh> But I am aware that I started on the project because there was something I wanted to make, the CNC machine was never meant to become an end in itself.
[22:32:17] <GonMD> the letter "s" seems to flumox that engrave.py though
[22:32:57] <andypugh> Maybe you can only uze wordz with that letter mizzing?
[22:33:07] <danimal_garage> yea i dont think my machines will ever be "done"
[22:33:08] <GonMD> not for engraving firearms i wont :p
[22:33:23] <andypugh> Zmith and Wezzon?
[22:33:25] <lilalinux_away> lilalinux_away is now known as lilalinux
[22:33:39] <danimal_garage> or signs for the great state of mississippi
[22:34:58] <Jymmm> what were you engraving with 's'?
[22:35:26] <danimal_garage> sloppy sausages
[22:36:03] <renz0r> gonmd: aluminum is fun, if i keep things cool and got the right speeds my taig thing will fly through 6061
[22:36:27] <danimal_garage> i hate machining 60601
[22:36:31] <danimal_garage> 6061*
[22:36:43] <danimal_garage> i got spoiled after cutting 7075 all the time
[22:36:53] <renz0r> stuck in your tools or what
[22:37:15] <danimal_garage> yea, cant push as hard as you can with 7075 without it sticking
[22:37:33] <danimal_garage> my machine doesnt spin fast enough for aluminum really
[22:37:34] <renz0r> 6061 is pretty much like acrylic
[22:37:44] <GonMD> im machining 60601
[22:37:49] <renz0r> it goes from awesome to oh shit im gonna need a new tool in a few sec
[22:37:55] <danimal_garage> yep
[22:38:15] <GonMD> put im only engraving -0.0002
[22:38:31] <GonMD> with a 1/32 2f carbide ball mill
[22:39:01] <frallzor> linuxppl. anyone got a clue why evtouch wont work? =( seems to install fine but when looing at /dev/input/ it isnt there
[22:40:29] <danimal_garage> ok wish me luck with my servos
[22:40:41] <danimal_garage> hopefully it wont rapid into anything
[22:41:26] <GonMD> keep your hand on the estop switch :p
[22:41:29] <danimal_garage> unfortunately there arent encoders attached to the servos so i cant exactly run it off the machine
[22:43:15] <GonMD> also, cleaning up MDF dust is a pita
[22:43:22] <danimal_garage> haha
[22:43:24] <danimal_garage> yes it is
[22:44:06] <danimal_garage> i had some oil on my manual lathe right next to my cnc mill, and it made a friggin mess because it all stuck to the lathe
[22:44:08] <Jymmm> shopvac works for me
[22:44:18] <danimal_garage> shopvacs are the best
[22:44:29] <danimal_garage> i got one for wet messes, and one for chips
[22:44:41] <Jymmm> 0.3 micron filter doens't hurt either
[22:44:46] <GonMD> i have a shop vac, and it vaccums up 100% of the dust, and 30% gets sprayed right back out
[22:44:52] <danimal_garage> haha
[22:44:54] <GonMD> :/
[22:45:05] <danimal_garage> put a k&n on there
[22:45:07] <GonMD> i think im getting the dusty lung
[22:45:16] <danimal_garage> aqualung
[22:46:45] <GonMD> http://gonmd.com/uploads/display.php?type=image&file=_MG_4873.jpg&size=md
[22:46:49] <GonMD> i love my machine^
[22:47:20] <frallzor> is it working? =)
[22:50:43] <Jymmm> http://filebin.ca/kvbptt/JWH.tap
[22:51:02] <Jymmm> GonMD: http://filebin.ca/kvbptt/JWH.tap
[22:52:55] <GonMD> yeah its working
[22:53:11] <Jymmm> GonMD: put that on all your guns =)
[22:53:22] <GonMD> no :p
[22:53:26] <Jymmm> lol
[22:53:49] <Jymmm> it *should* be 1/32 ball too
[22:57:42] <Jymmm> nm, it looks like shit
[22:57:45] <Jymmm> =)
[23:25:28] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: http://filebin.ca/kvbptt/JWH.tap
[23:40:18] <LawrenceG> Jymmm, what is a tap file????
[23:40:34] <Jymmm> gcode
[23:42:36] <LawrenceG> "Jymm was here" with segments missing..... looks like a partial vcarve file
[23:43:07] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: Yeah, GonMD lousy ballnose sucks for caving =)
[23:43:31] <frallzor> which version of xserver is on the live-cd?
[23:44:23] <LawrenceG> http://imagebin.ca/view/hK1bGoQs.html
[23:45:06] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: Yeah, i know. I can see the results in 3D here
[23:45:07] <LawrenceG> Jymmm, what software generated that?