#emc | Logs for 2010-01-03

[00:00:48] <andypugh> Aye, I had a fiddle with some when she showed me round the factory
[00:01:21] <andypugh> Air bearings are surprisingly simple to make, and very rigid
[00:04:56] <tom3p> where the plastic flows into a part is a 'gate', where it enters the mould its a 'sprue' the design of gates got tricky in recent years with a 'cashew' gate. i just found a company selling them as inserts! ( we had to sink edm them with XYABC emd's ) http://www.exaflow.de/english/produkte/angusseinsaetze.html Thats cheating !
[00:06:21] <andypugh> They only have CAD images, perhaps they can't make them either?
[00:06:29] <tom3p> haha!
[00:52:21] <frallzor> <andypugh> 20mm linear shaft is about £25 per metre pricey
[00:55:05] <Dave911_> Dave911_ is now known as Dave911
[01:03:01] <MarkusBec> MarkusBec is now known as MarkusBec_away
[01:15:43] <lilalinux> lilalinux is now known as lilalinux_away
[02:37:30] <cradek> woooo
[02:38:08] <cradek> I used polar mode to drill holes at R3.25, 0, 120, 240 degrees
[02:39:02] <cradek> it saved me seconds and seconds of calculations
[02:40:12] <cradek> also, the 2" hole I milled turned out 2" instead of 4" today
[02:40:53] <cradek> well, 2.001 instead of 4.001 to be precise
[03:37:10] <Dave911_> Dave911_ is now known as Dave911
[03:54:02] <ries> hey guys, when I try to start stepconf, then I get import gnome.ui ImportError: No module named gnome.ui
[03:54:17] <ries> this is corect, because I don't use gnome... does stepconf really depends on gnome?
[03:56:46] <ries> * ries will read the compile manual again...
[03:57:38] <SWPadnos> yes, it depends at least on gtk
[03:57:59] <SWPadnos> the UI was designed in Glade, so whatever is needed to run a glade-designed UI is necessary
[04:00:24] <ries> SWPadnos: But... ,.configure didn't complain to me...
[04:00:35] <SWPadnos> interesting
[04:00:56] <SWPadnos> stepconf isn't compiled, so I wonder if there aren't any checks in configure
[04:01:08] <ries> apparently not...
[04:01:09] <SWPadnos> (it's python, so make just copied the file)
[04:01:14] <SWPadnos> copies
[04:01:44] <ries> But, stepconfig shouldn't really depend on gnome, right?
[04:02:10] <SWPadnos> you need whatever package provides gnome.ui for python
[04:02:21] <SWPadnos> not all of gnome and its associated applications
[04:03:07] <ries> libgnome2.0-cil provides gnome.ui
[04:03:38] <ries> But when I want to install it it want's a wooping 50 other packages and 15MB of downloads
[04:04:19] <SWPadnos> so start it when you go to bed :)
[04:04:40] <ries> no no, I need to turn this laptop off,
[04:04:51] <ries> it sounds like a yet fighters engine with the fans always on
[04:04:57] <SWPadnos> heh
[04:05:15] <ries> it's a Dell....
[04:05:25] <SWPadnos> well, stepconf is a graphical application, and as such it's reasonable for it to depend on some GUI toolkit/framework
[04:05:39] <SWPadnos> the chosen one is gtk, using glade, so you'll need whatever that implies
[04:05:50] <ries> yeaa indeed.. it want's glade...
[04:05:57] <SWPadnos> you also have the option of not using stepconf, and just editing the config ffiles with nano or something
[04:06:16] <ries> Oooo... so silent in the house with the laptop off :)
[04:06:23] <ries> I will install it and see how that goes...
[04:06:40] <ries> axis also didn't start with some python errors.. so I will have a new challange tomorrow
[04:06:42] <SWPadnos> it should go better :)
[04:06:46] <GonMD> ries: how many db is that laptop putting out?
[04:06:55] <ries> db?
[04:06:59] <GonMD> decibel
[04:07:09] <ries> GonMD: a lot.... way to much if you ask me
[04:07:14] <ries> it has two fans on the back
[04:07:21] <ries> and they are both running at full..
[04:07:25] <GonMD> might be worth looking into and cleaning out your fans :/
[04:07:28] <ries> they are normally off... or just on...
[04:07:59] <ries> GonMD: it's a oldy... I know... but as far as I know, it has always been a very noisy computer (specially compared to my iMac and macBook fans)
[04:08:15] <GonMD> what kind of machine is it?
[04:08:20] <ries> but compared to teh router I am planning to use in the workshop I am sure it doesn't matter really :)
[04:08:36] <ries> GonMD: C840 latitude
[04:08:56] <GonMD> nah, lol, my router, shop vac, and air compressor make my garage just a tad bit noisy. time to get some nice hearing protection
[04:09:13] <ries> yeaaa
[04:09:21] <ries> I am off to bed, wife is calling me...
[04:39:20] <tom3p> can the polar motion commands include a Z? because angle-in-XYplane, radius, ChangeInZ can save you more than seconds of calcs and is intuitive. I used that a lot in Heidenhain macros
[04:39:57] <tom3p> oh, and can you change the pole center? thats necc to be really useful.
[04:58:22] <cradek> polar just specifies XY - you can have Z in there separately if you want
[04:58:35] <cradek> and sure, you can change the center with any offset you want
[05:01:10] <tom3p> thx for putting it into emc, that'll be handy for me
[05:01:25] <cradek> cool, you're welcome
[05:03:07] <cradek> tonight for my 3 holes I used MDI for G83 Q.1 R.1 @3.25 ^0, then changed it to ^120 and ^240 - nice and foolproof
[05:03:27] <cradek> er, need a Z in there too
[05:21:12] <Jymmm> =)
[05:57:50] <Dave911_> Dave911_ is now known as Dave911
[08:31:25] <lilalinux_away> lilalinux_away is now known as lilalinux
[13:40:54] <lilalinux> lilalinux is now known as lilalinux_away
[13:45:40] <ries> hey guys, I still have this issue of import gnome.ui, ImportError: No module names ui
[13:45:53] <ries> when I try to start stepconf...
[13:45:58] <ries> any hints/tips?
[13:59:52] <jthornton> 2.3.4?
[14:02:42] <ries> jthornton: indeed
[14:03:27] <jthornton> fresh install?
[14:03:42] <ries> jthornton: fresh compile...
[14:04:09] <jthornton> compile is beyond my guesspertice :)
[14:04:10] <ries> I used Debian Lenny, compile rtai on a 2.6.29 kernel now I am trying to compile EMC2
[14:06:05] <jthornton> just wondering out loud but why would you not use the livecd?
[14:06:30] <ries> jthornton: the live CD gives me very bad latency results
[14:07:01] <ries> and the HD drives are very slow becuase it uses SCSI emulation for the JD
[14:07:05] <ries> sorry, HD
[14:07:17] <jthornton> ok
[14:07:32] <ries> also teh desktop used is slow on this computer
[14:08:08] <jthornton> older computer?
[14:08:18] <ries> jthornton: Dell latitude laptop
[14:10:00] <jthornton> other than the stepconf does EMC work?
[14:10:16] <ries> nope.... :)
[14:10:43] <ries> configure runs fine, compilation also works fine... it just that it doesn't start
[14:10:59] <jthornton> good luck, and I hope you get it to work
[14:11:13] <ries> unfortunatly, from all program languages I understand, python is not one of them (far from...)
[15:02:21] <archivist_emc> error looks like python version related
[15:21:50] <ries> archivist_emc: it's solved already.... I onyl need to re-compile emc because what I fill in with configure doesn't get reflected with the executed version of ecm
[15:22:32] <ries> for example stepconf expected /usr/shared/doc/.... whole ./configure agreed to put it in /usr/local/share/doc...
[15:24:38] <lilalinux_away> lilalinux_away is now known as lilalinux
[15:37:48] <ries> archivist_emc: Not sure if you know... should I run emc with sudo? when I don't, then I get some insmod problems.. what is the official way to run emc?
[15:38:37] <archivist_emc> as your normal user
[15:42:07] <ries> ok... I mis some modprobe magick then
[15:42:48] <alex_joni> ries: normally you use ./configure --enable-run-in-place
[15:43:07] <alex_joni> if you plan to install emc2, best is to build a package that you can uninstall
[15:43:16] <alex_joni> especially since you're on a debian system
[15:43:29] <ries> alex_joni: why would you want to use run in place and not a 'normal' make install ?
[15:43:45] <alex_joni> ries: because you can't uninstall from a make install
[15:44:01] <alex_joni> and there's no functional difference from a run in place than an installed version
[15:44:46] <ries> ic... to late then for me :)
[15:45:04] <ries> I though that most installations also do a make uninstall.... so that was my reason
[15:45:11] <ries> and thinking
[15:50:52] <MattyMatt> I bet you'd need to build & install manually before you'd know how to write the package
[15:51:52] <MattyMatt> I've got Lenny amd64 on this machine, but I've never made a deb
[15:53:38] <MattyMatt> I do like my synaptic tho. it really is the civilised way to get new software
[15:55:20] <MattyMatt> my new debit card has the Visa logo and a 16 digit number. I can get domains in my own name now :)
[15:57:08] <MattyMatt> ries what cpu have you got?
[15:57:30] <ries> MattyMatt: a pentium 4 M at 1.8GHz
[15:58:14] <MattyMatt> ah cool, so between us we can build 586 and x64
[16:00:37] <ries> MattyMatt: my kernel was configured with pentium classic though
[16:00:48] <MattyMatt> that's 586
[16:01:01] <ries> ok... my knowledge of that stuff is really rusty
[16:01:14] <ries> I get much better jitter results now then with the live CD
[16:01:40] <ries> now i get around 6300 for base thread, on the live CD this was 30000
[16:02:32] <MattyMatt> later 32bit x86 all run 686 (with mmx) or 786 (with sse) but lots of packages are only available as 586 for simplicity
[16:04:12] <ries> ic ic..
[16:04:23] <MattyMatt> that's one advantage of building it yourself, afaik, with no prompting, gcc will use your native arch
[16:04:52] <MattyMatt> dunno if having the kernel configed as 586 will override that
[16:07:00] <MattyMatt> so maybe a proper repo needs the whole series to be properly useful :p
[16:07:19] <MattyMatt> anyway 586 and x64 are the important bases covered :)
[16:07:39] <ries> last kernel I compiled fast a 2.2 kernel, may be a 2.6
[16:07:54] <ries> my first kernel was a pre 1.0 kernel :s
[16:08:21] <MattyMatt> so I'll learn apt-stuff and set up a repo with something simple of mine to test
[16:08:37] <ries> I know the bit's and pieces and how things fit together, I just hugely lack experience... specially with languages like python and such
[16:11:55] <MattyMatt> I suppose each combo of ./configure options would need to be built in the package?
[16:12:58] <MattyMatt> or does that just affect which binaries are built, instead of how?
[16:13:57] <MattyMatt> ah well, step one, git clone
[16:14:21] <MattyMatt> If I check it it right now, is it reasonably stable?
[16:14:32] <MattyMatt> ^it out
[16:18:21] <MattyMatt> is there an emc2-stable branch?
[16:19:41] <alex_joni> building an deb is quite easy
[16:19:54] <alex_joni> you just need to run 'debian/configure -r' then 'debuild'
[16:20:01] <alex_joni> MattyMatt: 2.3.x is stable atm
[17:22:43] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[17:27:43] <Dave911_> If you want to do threading - as on a lathe - I think you want something later than 2.3.
[17:28:34] <SWPadnos> Dave911_, why do you say that?
[17:28:48] <isssy> hi all
[17:30:46] <archivist_emc> SWPadnos, thats about when the low count encoder problem was fixed
[17:31:36] <SWPadnos> 'later than 2.3" means compiled from source, since there isn't a 2.4 release yet
[17:33:18] <SWPadnos> it looks like there's a commit "fix threading oscillation" which hasn't been applied to 2.3
[17:34:28] <archivist_emc> mine is from source on the lathe
[17:34:41] <Dave911_> Yep, that is it. Cradek fixed the threading code which is in the 2.4 pre.
[17:35:44] <SWPadnos> ok
[17:35:45] <Dave911_> Lathe threading - even with low pulse count encoders going into the LPT port works really well now.
[17:36:16] <MattyMob> it sounds like these
[17:36:32] <MattyMob> make it worth risking 2.4
[17:37:20] <MattyMob> when is 2.4.0 planned?
[17:37:39] <cradek> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Emc2.4Status
[17:37:59] <cradek> uh, on tax day apparently
[17:38:32] <SWPadnos> let's postpone that :)
[17:38:51] <MattyMob> oops, I forgot ubuntu uses .deb too
[17:39:16] <MattyMob> is there a naming scheme for lenny etc?
[17:42:05] <MattyMob> same but with -lenny suffix I guess
[17:43:11] <Dave911_> Postpone tax day .... good idea... ;-)
[17:43:26] <MattyMob> cancel it
[17:43:43] <Dave911_> I like your thinking! :-)
[17:43:54] <ries> MattyMatt: I simply used emc2 source and didn't use git, is there any reason I should have used git?
[17:45:07] <MattyMob> none that I know of at all, in fact you've probably used a release version which is prefered for a package
[17:45:17] <MattyMob> mandatory almost
[17:45:30] <MattyMob> nobody wants packages between versions
[17:45:40] <MattyMob> except for testing
[17:47:34] <Dave911_> What is the big attraction of going to Ubuntu 10.x other than it is new and shiny?
[17:48:08] <Dave911_> (I was looking at the emc 2.4 status which shows EMC on Ubuntu 10.x )
[17:48:20] <MattyMob> I can't do anything until tomorrow now. I desparately need a new hdd. 10 years of backups are on one consumer drive
[17:48:21] <cradek> Dave911_: LTS
[17:48:53] <MattyMob> I absolutely can't afford to break this F/S
[17:49:12] <MarkusBec> MarkusBec is now known as MarkusBec_away
[17:49:17] <cradek> Dave911_: well that's why we want 2.4 on it. (but I'm not sure if that's your question.)
[17:49:47] <Dave911_> Long term support .... so the clock is running on 8.x .. or at least it is on it's way .... Yep, that is my question.
[17:50:36] <cradek> hardy will be supported for a while yet and that's what emc users should be using if they have no particular preferences otherwise
[17:51:35] <MattyMob> I'm not sure why I prefer deb to ubuntu. It's that thing where it wants your user pw to get root privs. I understand that's easy to turn off but it unsettled me
[17:51:58] <Dave911_> As I am new to Linux - how does it work when a version is not supported? Or support runs out. What happens?
[17:52:02] <cradek> I imagine over the next 2-3 years we'll all gradually move to 10.04
[17:52:17] <cradek> Dave911_: they stop making automatic security updates for you
[17:52:41] <Dave911_> Oh... ok. Makes sense.
[17:52:55] <cradek> Dave911_: in emc's case, we'll eventually stop building packages for your system so you don't get the easy updates anymore
[17:53:18] <cradek> so your software gets older and older but of course you can still use it as long as you like
[17:56:27] <archivist_emc> just bites you one day when the online docs have a feature you need, then its upgrade time
[17:56:47] <cradek> yeah it's good to try to keep up at least somewhat
[17:56:53] <cradek> it's a tradeoff
[17:57:05] <cradek> I tend toward the 'fall behind' end myself
[17:57:53] <archivist_emc> once my machine is a runner I tend not to touch it till I have to
[17:58:14] <Dave911_> Sure .. ... I can understand the lack of security updates on older sw. For a CNC machine that is not directly on the net - I'm not immediately concerned about Inet security, but down the road I am sure that internet connected machines will all be the norm so that will gain importance .. I try to keep machines off the net simply for security. But having Inet resources at hand sure is...
[17:58:16] <Dave911_> ...handy right at the machine!
[17:59:32] <Dave911_> cradek: I was looking at your Glade/Python touchy code - that looks like that was a lot of work! Looks really nice though.
[17:59:54] <MattyMob> in my opinion, something that has worked for 10 years is always a better bet than something with the latest fixes
[18:00:31] <Dave911_> I tried to open the stepconfig glade source and I got some type of gnome library error and Glade would not open it - any idea what that could be caused from??
[18:00:31] <MattyMob> xp pro on both windows machines :)
[18:00:36] <cradek> Dave911_: thanks, I like it too, I use it on my mill now - no kb/mouse
[18:01:14] <MattyMob> oh yeah, and 2 98se machines too, but I rarely use djgpp anymore
[18:01:23] <cradek> no ... especially not without knowing the error
[18:04:33] <Dave911_> ok, is there some reference that you used to learn how to tie implement Glade created screens into python code. I think I can see who things work - but I have no idea how I would figure that out without looking at an implementation such as your touchy code.
[18:05:33] <Dave911_> I meant tie/implement
[18:06:09] <cradek> I saw how to use signal_autoconnect(dictionary) somewhere online and the rest I just figured out one step at a time
[18:06:35] <cradek> it was fun to write an app all in python for a change
[18:08:04] <cradek> I still think event driven (gui) and OO are inherently mismatched so apps written that way are clumsy, but I did my best
[18:08:41] <Dave911_> ok, no magic source.. ;-) Once again - no Vulcan Mind Meld source :-) I'll look for a signal_autoconnect dictionary and see what I can find. Thanks!
[18:10:36] <Dave911_> I agree. Oops stuff and even driven GUI stuff seem be opposed somehow. Microsoft Windows C++ stuff gets really contorted also.
[18:10:37] <Dave911_> You did a very nice job. I can get through your code pretty quickly.
[18:11:11] <Dave911_> gosh can't type today .. even => event
[18:37:17] <Dave911_> cradek: when attempting to open the stepconfig.glade file I get "The following catalogs are unavailable: gnome" that doesn't seem to make much sense since I can open your touchy config just fine??
[18:54:45] <frallzor> hoyhoy little boy
[19:18:29] <ries> hey guys... I have been searching for this quite a while now, but may be somebody can help me to go to the next step, how can I make sure that I can run emc as a normal user rather then using root?
[19:29:22] <tom3p> maybe for touchy, maybe not, last nite i installed CellWriter, worked fine, all deps were already satisfied (ymmv)
[19:29:33] <tom3p> handwriting recognition for ununtu 8.04
[19:29:52] <tom3p> well, hand -printing really
[19:30:35] <tom3p> damn handwriting is not cursive (pun?)
[19:32:19] <danimal_garage> yay it's warm in the garage for once
[19:36:08] <danimal_garage> that's the one bad thing about my house facing west... it stays cold for a while in the garage in the winter
[19:54:31] <jepler_> jepler_ is now known as jepler
[19:57:09] <tarzan> how you warm your hands when working with steel?
[19:58:51] <danimal_garage> depends if i'm welding it or cutting it :)
[19:59:44] <tarzan> just machining
[20:00:24] <danimal_garage> well the garage probably never gets much colder than the mid to low 50's
[20:00:41] <danimal_garage> so it's not that bad
[20:01:09] <danimal_garage> i just dont like to have to work with a coat on
[20:16:26] <ries> hurraaaay no more realtime errors anymore with my own compiled kernel/emc2 and rtai :)
[20:22:04] <skunkworks> sweet
[20:25:08] <ries> skunkworks: pretty happy with it, so I don't have to buy a new computer
[20:25:48] <ries> I just need to learn now how to run emc as a normal user instead of root
[20:35:34] <Dave911> Have you guys used those thin mechanics gloves? They are great for working on machines also. I've avoided a ton of cuts buy using those gloves. Also good for handling steel and lumber in general. I used them while roofing my house and I wore through 2 pairs. Shingles are rough on your hands.
[20:36:05] <skunkworks> ries: isn't that what the command sudo make setuid
[20:36:07] <skunkworks> does?
[20:37:30] <ries> skunkworks: I did run that, but apparently that didn't change anything, however what I can do is see if I did anything wrong in that department
[20:41:16] <micges> ries: try all from begining in another directory
[20:42:02] <micges> git pull -> ./autogen.sh -> ./configure --enable-run-in-place -> make -> sudo make setuid
[20:43:48] <ries> micges: will try that is my second option...
[20:44:26] <micges> or try to reconfigure your existing directory
[20:46:48] <ries> micges: I will try to do a --enable-run-in-place later, currently I just did a configure; make; make install
[20:52:14] <alex_joni> for anything newer than 2.3.x configure defaults to run in place
[20:52:42] <alex_joni> ries: when you do configure, make and sudo make install you shouldn't have to run as sudo afterwards
[20:54:41] <ries> alex_joni: Hmmm... well if I don't run it with sudo, then I get RTAI errors starting with RTAPI: ERROR: failed to map shmem
[20:54:55] <ries> then a bunch of errors that rtai needs to be loaded
[20:55:11] <alex_joni> try /etc/init.d/realtime start
[20:55:35] <alex_joni> if that doesn't work as your user, I'd look at the rtai part
[20:55:53] <danimal_garage> Dave911: after working around metal chips for my whole life, plus mountainbiking, unfortunately my hands are so leathery that they should be worn to protect your gloves
[20:56:01] <danimal_garage> :)
[20:56:17] <ries> /etc/init.d/realtime start just gives me a . on the command line, and it seems to load the rtai modules
[20:56:45] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[21:10:11] <ries> alex_joni: I just tested emc_module_helper as a normal user, and that works fine...
[21:10:21] <ries> so there must be somethign fishy going on
[21:11:03] <alex_joni> hard to guess without seeing the output
[21:11:38] <ries> I will dig a bit more, at least I know now that this is the direction I should look into
[21:16:00] <jimbo> are 1ghz VIA epia boards fast enough for EMC-2? Do you see any slowing in the user interface?
[21:17:10] <dmess> hi all
[21:17:23] <alex_joni> 'lo dmess
[21:18:06] <dmess> Hi Alex... have you any idea where linux stores downloaded temp files??
[21:18:37] <dmess> like you tube video's
[21:19:49] <alex_joni> dmess: no idea, but there are sites to allow downloading it directly
[21:21:22] <ries> alex_joni: I found the issue and it was documented here : http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Debian_Lenny_Compile_RTAI#Memlock_Size
[21:21:44] <frallzor> who wants a trout slap? =)
[21:22:07] <ries> Hey frallzor not me, but may be you can BBQ one?
[21:22:19] <alex_joni> ries: oh, crap.. forgot about that :)
[21:22:23] <frallzor> no sorry, just slap trouts
[21:22:31] <ries> hahaha
[21:23:56] <ries> alex_joni: I did read over it myself...
[21:25:13] <frallzor> done some painting these last 2 days =)
[21:27:29] <ries> frallzor: going to prepare for paining on wednessday
[21:27:47] <alex_joni> canvas prepared?
[21:27:50] <frallzor> im doing mixed stuff =)
[21:28:15] <frallzor> got some drilling left to do too, but it wont hurt by painting before, to stop the rust =)
[21:29:45] <frallzor> http://buildlog.eu/images/useruploads/builds/frallzor/45/47020587354615606009.jpg lickety lick
[21:31:31] <ries> good it's blue :)
[21:32:03] <ries> frallzor: I only need to drill my micro switches, but I will do that after paining, or right before .. depends
[21:32:44] <frallzor> damn I want it going :P
[21:33:01] <frallzor> I'll be the only local cnc-miller with huge surface :P
[21:33:40] <frallzor> a sheet metal bender and a TIG welder and one could do custom cases =)
[21:33:48] <ries> frallzor: I am at least in Quito and it would's surprise me in the whole country
[21:34:01] <ries> They must be a couple though... btu I already had a hard time finding a plasma cutter
[21:35:25] <tom3p> dmess: youtube-dl ( a python script will dload to where you like ) then ffplay to look at the .flv's, then ffmpeg to convert them (non-religious ;) then it depends on your player's abiltity to view the selected format. the download is typically faster than playing.
[21:36:36] <MattyMob> frallzor, didn't you say "anything but blue" ? :)
[21:37:05] <frallzor> lies!
[21:37:15] <frallzor> :P
[21:37:27] <alex_joni> logger_emc: bookmark
[21:37:28] <alex_joni> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2010-01-03.txt
[21:37:36] <alex_joni> ^^ proof there
[21:38:16] <frallzor> no :P
[21:39:35] <MattyMob> well blue probably increases its value, because it matches all the vids
[21:40:51] <MattyMob> nice blue. more kingfisher/peacock than the normal IBM blue you see
[21:41:56] <frallzor> covers pretty good too
[21:42:05] <frallzor> but need a 2nd coat
[21:42:36] <ries> frallzor: sis you put on of these anti rust layers on it?
[21:42:51] <ries> did
[21:43:09] <frallzor> nope this paint does that too
[21:43:24] <frallzor> or what do you mean...
[21:43:31] <frallzor> the one that "kills" rust?
[21:44:44] <frallzor> hade some surfacerust, cleaned it all with some ammonia did wonders
[21:46:28] <tom3p> mux2 selects 1 of 2 floats. i want to select 1 of 2 bits instead... so i could write a floattoBit component or a mux2bit component. i dont know of any 'casts' in hal.
[21:46:49] <tom3p> eh bit2float
[21:51:25] <andypugh> You could use a comparison on the float outputs?
[21:53:00] <tom3p> the inputs are bit, i figgered it'd puke trying to convert. wrote it already, but 'comp' is not found! and i built this system run-in-place.
[21:54:44] <tom3p> comp --compile mux2bit.comp </n> The program 'comp' can be found in the following packages: </n> * nmh </n> * mailutils-mh
[21:55:59] <tom3p> after setting the emc-environment.. thats strange
[21:56:43] <andypugh> I seem to recall someone saying that all values in HAL were now floats.
[21:58:13] <tom3p> not in my src
[21:59:22] <tom3p> forcing the path to the binary works, /home/tomp/emc2-dev/bin/comp --compile mux2bit. but lotsa 'undefined' . somethings screwy
[21:59:42] <danimal_garage> are you using a catalyzing paint frallzor?
[22:02:12] <danimal_garage> and are you spraying or brushing it?
[22:02:43] <jt-plasma> frallzor: what are you building?
[22:03:05] <danimal_garage> make sure you punch a baby before you paint. It'll level out much better.
[22:03:13] <danimal_garage> hi jt-plasma
[22:03:31] <jt-plasma> hi danimal_garage
[22:04:31] <danimal_garage> hoping to get the majority of the lathe wired up today
[22:04:44] <danimal_garage> just got the mesa and pico boards mounted
[22:05:04] <jt-plasma> cool, I didn't get much done today other than the motor mount for the phase converter...
[22:05:39] <danimal_garage> i was hoping to be much further along by now, but i got the stomach flu last week and was stuck on the couch
[22:05:41] <jt-plasma> the wifes car is parked too close to the el cabinets to do major stuff... at least that was my excuse today :)
[22:05:56] <danimal_garage> ha
[22:06:01] <skunkworks> masa and pico? what are you using from pico? resolver to encoder interface?
[22:06:15] <jt-plasma> I did get the main power cable ran from the panel to the Hardinge
[22:06:15] <danimal_garage> skunkworks: exactly
[22:06:51] <danimal_garage> jt-plasma: cool, that's a step in the right direction at least
[22:07:18] <jt-plasma> robh said when he goes back to work Monday he will email me the ladder for his super slant and I'll fwd a copy to you then
[22:07:29] <danimal_garage> awesome, thanks!
[22:07:45] <jt-plasma> I still don't have my mesa care package :(
[22:07:58] <danimal_garage> :(
[22:08:50] <danimal_garage> i have a line of projects for this lathe when it's running
[22:08:56] <jt-plasma> the good thing is I have more patience than money
[22:09:12] <danimal_garage> haha i have neither
[22:09:23] <jt-plasma> I have a few play projects when that day comes by
[22:09:47] <jt-plasma> I didn't say I had much of either one :)
[22:09:59] <danimal_garage> mine are mostly customer projects, but i do have some tooling components i need to make for it
[22:10:14] <danimal_garage> on it*
[22:10:18] <jt-plasma> what kind of stuff do you make?
[22:10:27] <jt-plasma> I have slept since then
[22:10:27] <danimal_garage> bicycle components
[22:10:39] <jt-plasma> ah yes
[22:11:11] <jt-plasma> I have one project for my bike too :)
[22:11:25] <danimal_garage> some blue pieces, i suspect!
[22:11:29] <jt-plasma> LOL
[22:11:34] <jt-plasma> yeppers
[22:12:09] <jt-plasma> I think you have more memory than I have patience :)
[22:12:15] <danimal_garage> well i'm going to run to the store, and to grab a burger if i can keep it down
[22:12:32] <danimal_garage> i havent had real food since thursday
[22:12:40] <jt-plasma> ok talk to you later... time for me to start the pressure cooker chili
[22:12:47] <danimal_garage> sorry, wednsday
[22:12:54] <danimal_garage> yum
[22:13:12] <jt-plasma> with no beans!
[22:13:34] <danimal_garage> i'm more of a meaty chilli guy anyways
[22:13:55] <jt-plasma> this is a meat texas type of chili
[22:14:06] <jt-plasma> beef, pork, and lamb
[22:14:09] <danimal_garage> yum
[22:14:23] <jt-plasma> come on over I'll save you some
[22:14:37] <danimal_garage> haha yea, i'm sure it'll be cold by that time
[22:14:57] <jt-plasma> gone most likely I'd suspect
[22:15:14] <danimal_garage> i have 2 old fords, i wouldnt be getting there very quick
[22:15:32] <jt-plasma> do you tow one with the other one?
[22:15:43] <danimal_garage> haha suprisingly, not yet
[22:15:54] <jt-plasma> I'm sorry I could not resist
[22:15:57] <danimal_garage> maybe when they hit 200k
[22:16:39] <jt-plasma> last two fords I had were a 65 and 66 mustang the 65 had 6 cyl bench seats and 3 on the floor
[22:17:13] <danimal_garage> one of mine is a mustang too
[22:17:25] <danimal_garage> mustang and a danger ranger
[22:17:35] <jt-plasma> the 66 I bought for $200 it had a 286, auto and factory stereo
[22:17:41] <jt-plasma> 289
[22:17:50] <danimal_garage> 289?
[22:17:55] <danimal_garage> ah ok
[22:18:17] <danimal_garage> cool
[22:18:43] <danimal_garage> mine's a 99, with the 4.6 v8, 5 speed
[22:18:47] <jt-plasma> it was wrecked on both sides, I replaced both front fenders, both doors, and one quarter panel then painted it corvette blue metallic
[22:19:02] <andypugh> The old vehicle I make parts for has a 9 litre 4-cyl
[22:19:17] <jt-plasma> that sounds like a rocket ship to me
[22:19:31] <jt-plasma> how much is 9 litres?
[22:20:02] <andypugh> 550 cu
[22:20:20] <jt-plasma> that's a big 4 cyl motor
[22:20:29] <danimal_garage> diesel?
[22:20:30] <jt-plasma> gas?
[22:20:34] <andypugh> Gas
[22:20:34] <jt-plasma> LOL
[22:20:38] <tom3p> steam!
[22:20:56] <danimal_garage> lol
[22:21:11] <jt-plasma> speaking of steam it's time to start the pressure cooker chili see you guys later
[22:21:11] <danimal_garage> ok, i'll bite, what's it for?
[22:21:17] <danimal_garage> adios
[22:21:28] <andypugh> It's a 1916 vintage fire engine
[22:21:35] <danimal_garage> oh cool
[22:21:47] <tom3p> big cyl, low comp
[22:21:51] <andypugh> 9 litres and hand-start
[22:22:04] <danimal_garage> wow, hope it has a decompression valve
[22:22:31] <danimal_garage> that thing would rip your arm off if it kicks back
[22:22:34] <andypugh> No. You just throw it over TDC, then walk round and turn the ignition on.
[22:22:50] <danimal_garage> ah
[22:23:34] <danimal_garage> neat
[22:23:47] <danimal_garage> well time for me to grab some grub, adios
[22:23:51] <andypugh> Though it did manage to break my mates arm once.
[22:27:12] <dmess> 9 L make and break engine... notice the name
[22:28:47] <andypugh> http://www.union.ic.ac.uk/rcc/rcsmotor/
[22:40:31] <archivist_emc> andypugh, one I found when I went to see a steam engine http://www.collection.archivist.info/archive/djcpd/PD/2009/2009_09_14/P1010053.JPG
[22:41:34] <andypugh> Aye, I know FA1075 quite well. We put it back together when the owner couldn't remember where all the parts went.
[22:42:19] <andypugh> It belongs to a loony couple in Cumbria now, they collect fire engines.
[22:43:01] <archivist_emc> FA is our local registration he has another from burton as well
[22:43:47] <andypugh> Did you see it in cumbria or Thaxted?
[22:44:32] <archivist_emc> he came down to Tees Cottage Pumping station in september
[22:44:49] <andypugh> Nice chap.
[22:45:09] <archivist_emc> yup friendly, I had a chat
[22:45:12] <andypugh> Him and his wife are both electrical engineering lecturers
[22:45:44] <archivist_emc> I later found his web site!!!! a few he said
[22:46:15] <andypugh> It's certainly a large few
[22:46:26] <archivist_emc> 20few at least
[22:48:07] <archivist_emc> for the others not in the know http://www.dennisfire.co.uk/
[22:49:44] <andypugh> I count 28
[22:51:54] <dmess> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1WQpsIOLwc
[22:51:56] <andypugh> Our holy grail would be one of the 6-cylinder versions (12 litres)
[22:54:13] <archivist_emc> I lived near Guildford as a kid so have a soft spot for Dennis
[22:54:45] <andypugh> They are probably the oldest UK vehicle manufacturer still extant
[22:56:26] <archivist_emc> depends how you trace the company though owners and bankruptcy
[22:56:41] <andypugh> They made their first car in 1899, 4 years before Vauxhall.
[22:57:10] <andypugh> But yes, it is complicated in that respect.
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