#emc | Logs for 2010-01-01

[00:22:01] <jthornton> is it next year anywhere in the world?
[00:22:12] <skunkworks> a few places
[00:22:55] <jthornton> hmm, does it start in the Pacific?
[00:22:56] <skunkworks> I think alex is in the future.
[00:23:31] <jthornton> I know alex is in the future :)
[00:26:37] <skunkworks> ;)
[00:28:05] <alex_joni> hmm.. and all this time I thought I was living in the past
[00:28:13] <alex_joni> maybe there's a rollover somewhere?
[00:28:22] <jthornton> LOL
[00:28:49] <jthornton> your in the Twilght Zone
[00:28:58] <alex_joni> there's a joke around here.. says that we're not scared of the end of the world
[00:29:08] <alex_joni> still got 50 years or so till it happens to us
[00:29:22] <alex_joni> since we're that much behind everyone else :P
[00:29:30] <jthornton> I guess it depends on when your born
[00:30:11] <jthornton> ohhh I remember how to make that :P
[00:31:02] <jthornton> so it is NY +2:27 for Alex
[00:31:16] <tom3p> there was some island where people went to get into 2000 before anyone else
[00:32:35] <alex_joni> 02:27 < jthornton> so it is NY +2:27 for Alex
[00:32:54] <alex_joni> I think japan is first?
[00:33:05] <tom3p> no, it was a tiny island
[00:33:09] <tom3p> iirc
[00:33:18] <alex_joni> might be
[00:34:34] <DaViruz> it's been 2010 in sweden for an hour and a half now, and we're only at gmt+1
[00:34:46] <jthornton> looks like one of the Marshal Islands
[00:34:50] <tom3p> kiritimati (aka christmas island)
[00:35:22] <Valen> its been 2010 for 11:35 hours here
[00:35:38] <tom3p> NZ or OZ?
[00:35:48] <Valen> there is one island that pushed itself to GMT +13 for NYE stuff
[00:35:51] <alex_joni> isn't it kiribati?
[00:35:53] <Valen> Australia
[00:35:58] <Valen> could be I think
[00:36:15] <tom3p> http://breakingnews.gaeatimes.com/2009/12/31/kiritimati-christmas-island-is-the-first-place-to-see-the-new-year-1668/
[00:36:18] <alex_joni> rawaki (phoenix islands) is 13
[00:36:35] <Valen> GMT+14:00 M± Line Islands: Kiritibati
[00:36:37] <DaViruz> +13, wouldn't that be -11?
[00:36:39] <Valen> http://wwp.greenwichmeantime.com/info/timezone.htm
[00:36:45] <Valen> no
[00:37:25] <alex_joni> +14 wtf
[00:38:47] <tom3p> is that gmt or ut or wtf ? ;)
[00:38:56] <DaViruz> so there is +14 and -12 at the same time
[00:39:01] <DaViruz> i find that kind of odd
[00:39:10] <DaViruz> unless they have two hours of daylight saving
[00:39:26] <DaViruz> or simply stated they were +14 for the lolz
[00:39:29] <Valen> or unless they did it on purpose to be the "first"
[00:39:48] <DaViruz> in my opinion that does not coun
[00:39:49] <DaViruz> t
[00:39:49] <alex_joni> tom3p: gmt+14
[00:39:53] <Valen> they did it around y2k and declared it
[00:40:06] <DaViruz> i declare my apartment to be GMT+15
[00:40:08] <Valen> if they live with their clocks set to that then its what it is
[00:40:13] <Valen> have fun with that
[00:40:19] <alex_joni> DaViruz: need to move it though
[00:40:34] <DaViruz> ok, +25 then
[00:40:38] <alex_joni> somewhere into the pacific
[00:40:58] <Valen> there is nothing intrinsic to time zones, the international date line is wonky as a wet noodle
[00:40:59] <DaViruz> that would be the same location as the present one
[00:41:07] <tom3p> alex_joni: bad attempt at an acronym joke, never mind
[00:41:24] <Valen> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Date_Line
[00:41:27] <alex_joni> tom3p: heh, now that you mention it :P
[00:42:04] <DaViruz> i don't approve of lines like that
[00:42:17] <alex_joni> Valen: that's an outdated pic
[00:42:20] <DaViruz> hell, i don't really approve of time zones at all
[00:42:48] <alex_joni> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/e/e7/Timezones2008.png
[00:42:53] <alex_joni> that one has +14 in it
[00:43:24] <tom3p> time is irrelevant! where? where's an irrelevant, i dont see him (marx bros)
[00:43:25] <Valen> yeah thats better
[00:43:45] <Valen> to be fair it probably serves them better to be closer in time to us
[00:44:58] <alex_joni> actually I agree with DaViruz
[00:45:17] <alex_joni> if I drive 50km west or soutwest I get to gmt+1
[00:45:31] <alex_joni> (2 different countries: Hungary and Serbia)
[00:45:41] <Valen> yeah they are different countries
[00:46:01] <alex_joni> it makes one wonder how 50km can result in 1h change ;)
[00:46:09] <Valen> I can go across 4 timezones in the same country ;->
[00:46:23] <alex_joni> I need to travel a really long distance in the other direction before +3 happens
[00:47:32] <Valen> thats not counting all the external islands and territories
[00:48:42] <DaViruz> move to russia and you can do nine
[00:48:59] <Valen> 9 hours or time zones?
[00:49:18] <DaViruz> tine zibes
[00:49:22] <DaViruz> heh
[00:49:23] <DaViruz> time zones
[00:49:26] <frallzor> * frallzor slaps DaViruz around a bit with a large trout
[00:49:44] <DaViruz> i love how +7 and +9 border each other in the northern parts of russia
[00:49:52] <DaViruz> but in the southern parts there's +8 in between
[00:50:01] <Valen> where would one get a high flow 60mm fan?
[00:50:31] <DaViruz> * DaViruz suggests the infamous delta black label
[00:50:47] <Valen> I would get a vantec but they dont make them that size
[00:51:01] <Valen> the cpu fans on the Xeons I have in my mill have stopped spinning
[00:51:52] <Valen> those fans would hit 15K rpm
[00:54:39] <skunkworks> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JSTlAPrhPRk
[00:55:30] <Valen> lol "dont pay too close attention to the wiring" ;->
[00:58:15] <skunkworks> ;)
[00:58:23] <Valen> looks like the tornado's are still arounf
[00:58:33] <Valen> I might get 2 of those and 2x 60-80mm adaptors
[01:11:18] <tom3p> Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. ( ford prefect )
[01:12:47] <skunkworks> heh
[01:19:41] <alex_joni> ha
[01:20:13] <alex_joni> * alex_joni finds it awsome that most in here know who ford prefect is :D
[01:20:41] <tom3p> http://www.movie-page.com/scripts/hhgg.pdf
[01:21:59] <alex_joni> the movie sucked though
[01:24:05] <tom3p> couldnt find the 'real' script
[01:24:45] <alex_joni> I remember installing some quotes on this box
[01:26:30] <alex_joni> fortune iirc
[01:35:46] <Jymmm> HNY!!!
[02:02:21] <MarkusBec> MarkusBec is now known as MarkusBec_away
[02:52:25] <ds3> a9
[03:51:33] <lilalinux_away> lilalinux_away is now known as lilalinux
[04:38:15] <GonMD> question. favorite photo to gcode app. GO.
[04:40:23] <Valen> python
[04:40:34] <Valen> ;->
[04:41:55] <SWPadnos> deskcnc seems to work OK
[04:42:11] <SWPadnos> but it's (a) not free (or Free), and (b) windows-only
[04:43:16] <GonMD> OS doent really bother me. price does. id rather have free, but whatever. ive spent 1200 so far and im sure ill spend more
[04:43:38] <Valen> 1200 on software?
[04:43:46] <GonMD> no. machine.
[04:44:05] <Valen> ahh
[04:44:10] <SWPadnos> well, it generates G-code from images, but it sure had a lot of dumb moves in it, so maybe it's not so great
[04:44:23] <GonMD> id like to make a wood etching 3d picture of some friends of mine as a wedding gift
[04:44:25] <SWPadnos> the end result may be good, but getting there will take a lot of machine time
[04:44:33] <Valen> there are some suggested ones on the wiki I think
[04:44:40] <Valen> isnt there even one built into axis?
[04:44:51] <SWPadnos> not built in, but distributed with EMC I think
[04:44:54] <SWPadnos> image to g-code
[04:44:55] <Valen> IE you can tell it to open a gif or something?
[04:44:56] <GonMD> yeah, ive been browsing them over. just thought id get an opinion from you guys as well
[04:45:25] <Valen> guess it depends on how good you want it
[04:45:31] <SWPadnos> yes, if you've set up the filters correctly, you can directly open an image file from within axis
[04:45:47] <SWPadnos> and it will run the filter program, then load the resulting g-code
[04:45:54] <Valen> but really most of them are going to scan X and Y and move Z up and down in some kind of relation to brightness
[04:46:06] <Valen> thing is thats probably not going to look too god
[04:46:27] <Valen> you would probably need some decent manipulation of the source image to get it looking better
[04:46:40] <SWPadnos> it actually works reasonably well
[04:46:52] <Valen> orly? would not have guessed
[04:47:10] <SWPadnos> but yeah, it's probably best to convert to grayscale, and maybe mess with the contrast/brightness in an image manipulation program
[04:47:15] <GonMD> i tried it out today on a sort of low res image with a .0625 ball mill. turned out meh.
[04:47:21] <SWPadnos> I don't know from experience though
[04:47:33] <Valen> does it make something like a decent representation of a person or is it more like something that you can recognise as a person
[04:47:56] <Valen> best thing would be a stereo picture
[04:48:09] <Valen> can make proper 3d then ;->
[04:48:40] <SWPadnos> yeah, a 3D model is better than a flat image :)
[04:49:09] <Valen> get them to lay on the mill bed and run touchy?
[04:49:16] <Valen> tell them not to move?
[04:49:19] <GonMD> lol
[04:49:25] <SWPadnos> even this works nicely: http://emergent.unpythonic.net/stippler
[04:50:04] <GonMD> oh very cool.
[04:50:42] <Valen> rather spiffy
[04:50:52] <SWPadnos> he's got the source code on the site too
[04:52:07] <GonMD> im testing out Image to Gcode, and photocarve by vectric, but the latter has a nasty watermark since its the trial version
[04:52:51] <GonMD> i need to run down to my dads machine shop and grind myself a 60 degree half round tomorrow to try and cut an image, cause the ball mill just wont do it
[04:53:36] <SWPadnos> the ball end mill should be fine for an image
[04:53:50] <SWPadnos> a V bit would be good for making a name plaque or something
[04:55:01] <GonMD> maybe it was just the bad image quality i was using
[04:55:07] <GonMD> hrm.
[04:55:27] <GonMD> maybe i should try again tonight. though, its rather cold out in the garage
[04:55:39] <SWPadnos> if you can find a file online, you may want to check your machine against a "standard"
[04:55:57] <SWPadnos> then you'll know if it's the machine, the image, the converter, or the operator :)
[04:56:09] <SWPadnos> (well, you'll be able to eliminate one at least)
[04:56:59] <GonMD> good idea. though, i have no idea what to look for
[04:57:04] <GonMD> what is the standard
[04:57:32] <SWPadnos> well, if you can find an example of something someone has done, with both photos and the g-code, that's a good start
[04:57:37] <SWPadnos> good luck! :)
[04:57:41] <GonMD> oh right
[04:58:36] <GonMD> this 3d cnc is very exciting
[04:58:59] <GonMD> also, one more question. whats the best way to go about being able to do small text engraving.
[04:59:23] <GonMD> ive been playing with a python script provided in the wiki, but its a bit low res, and i cant get the text the right size.
[05:00:10] <SWPadnos> truetype tracer?
[05:00:10] <GonMD> my workspace is 46mm x 50mm ish, and i need to have some text in that area (gun engraving)
[05:02:42] <GonMD> thats what its called. thank you a million times over
[05:03:32] <SWPadnos> uh - you're welcome
[05:04:01] <SWPadnos> TTT shouldn't be "low res", but you may get funny results if you don't have the requested font(s) installed
[05:04:08] <SWPadnos> or no results - I don't know
[05:04:13] <SWPadnos> oh. happy new year
[05:05:54] <GonMD> i still got an hour to go
[05:06:35] <cradek> when you say low res what do you mean?
[05:08:22] <GonMD> http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_6jaVHAW3QCY/SrvCw3BzptI/AAAAAAAAAeQ/N5NKtbsRjT8/s200/wrench_in_gears.jpg
[05:08:29] <GonMD> thats the image i gave to EMC to machine
[05:08:57] <cradek> how big do you want the engraving?
[05:09:28] <cradek> if bigger than your thumbnail, your image is 10-100x too small
[05:09:50] <GonMD> needs to fit on the blank side of an ar15 magwell
[05:10:02] <GonMD> so 1"x1.5" ish
[05:10:22] <GonMD> but at that small of size, my ball mill is too big to make a good picture
[05:10:27] <cradek> oh ok, it's not too bad then
[05:10:35] <cradek> yeah you need a pointy bit
[05:10:45] <GonMD> regardless, im having a friend take that image and make a vector of it
[05:10:50] <SWPadnos> oh - a 2-tone image
[05:10:58] <cradek> can you spend some time fixing it up first? seems like it's not drawn particularly well
[05:11:01] <SWPadnos> yeah, ball will make that "fuzzy"
[05:11:10] <cradek> autotrace could vectorize it easily
[05:11:49] <cradek> but you might even want to redraw it from scratch, it's so simple
[05:12:37] <GonMD> i had tried to make it in solidworks, but now i realize i was doing it completely the wrong way
[05:15:33] <GonMD> has anyone here ever tried to make anything as complex as a model from a video game ?
[05:16:30] <cradek> pretty sure you can do that with good (expensive) cam software and a good 5 axis machine, and you can't do it with anything less
[05:16:44] <Valen> STL is the common way of doing that
[05:16:54] <Valen> 3d printing rather
[05:17:30] <Valen> there was somebody selling 3d prints of peoples world of warcraft charicters
[05:18:04] <GonMD> i dont have a 3d printer :p i have a 3 axis 2'x3' table. im pretty sure if i do it right, ala in pieces and sections, i could do the props i have in mind
[05:18:31] <SWPadnos> take a look at the CNC toolkit (there's a Yahoo group)
[05:18:49] <SWPadnos> it's a 4 or 5-axis g0code generator that works from within 3dsMax/GMax
[05:18:56] <SWPadnos> or whatever GMax is now called
[05:19:20] <SWPadnos> you can (or at least could) get both the modeler and CNC toolkit for free
[05:19:21] <GonMD> meh, ive been learning solidworks. better for cnc i hear, rather then a traditional 3d game model
[05:19:44] <SWPadnos> in fact, the CNC toolkit source was released in the last year or so
[05:20:18] <SWPadnos> you still need a way of getting the STL or whatever into g-code
[05:20:28] <GonMD> freeMill
[05:21:10] <SWPadnos> hmm - cool
[05:21:15] <SWPadnos> I didn't know about that one
[05:21:52] <GonMD> im still working on my meager modeling skills. im currently working on making a Halo pistol prop
[06:09:56] <cradek> happy 2010 from US Central zone
[06:10:43] <GonMD> merry christmas, and god bless us all ever-wait, wrong holiday. good riddance to 09.
[06:26:48] <GonMD> its 26 minutes into the new year and im bored as hell
[06:33:23] <jimbo> Still 1.5 hrs to go. But Ironman is fun to watch........
[09:23:23] <Jymmm> HNY!!!
[10:44:54] <alex_joni> HNY Jymmm
[10:45:43] <Jymmm> Hey Alex, how goes it
[11:40:59] <alex_joni> Jymmm: pretty ok
[11:45:35] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[15:47:35] <lilalinux> lilalinux is now known as lilalinux_away
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[18:37:44] <commadore> hey all
[18:38:40] <commadore> is there a way to convert autocad 14 dxfs to work on emc dxf to g-code
[18:43:46] <alex_joni> I'm not aware of an 'emc dxf to g-code'
[18:43:58] <alex_joni> there are various tools out there that read dxf and output g-code
[18:44:48] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Cam
[18:45:59] <micges> hi alex_joni
[18:46:13] <commadore> okay thanx
[18:47:00] <alex_joni> hi micges
[20:31:55] <GonMD> wow, meshcam is taking a very long time for a simple model...
[20:42:47] <ries> hey all.. is there a reason why the live CD of linuxCNC comes with rtai 2.6 rather then a 3.7 version of rtai?
[20:47:26] <toast_> toast_ is now known as toastydeath
[21:42:53] <jt-plasma> is 2.6 normal for Ubuntu 8.04?
[22:02:13] <alex_joni> there is no 2.6 rtai
[22:03:42] <alex_joni> there was rtai 0.1 .. 0.9 then 1.0..1.7
[22:03:55] <alex_joni> then 2.3, then a long list of 24.x.x releases
[22:03:57] <alex_joni> then 3.0
[22:04:33] <alex_joni> 24.1.x releases to be precise (but those are from 2005)
[22:04:53] <alex_joni> possibly older
[22:12:12] <GonMD> lol, i wonder if i could get lucky enough to have my machine cut for 61h47m straight without a hickup....
[22:41:56] <MattyMatt> unattended?
[22:42:39] <frallzor> hello MattyMatt
[22:43:17] <MattyMatt> hi frallzor, happy new year
[22:44:24] <frallzor> whooaaaa too late! :P
[22:44:34] <MattyMatt> for happiness?
[22:44:57] <frallzor> for everything! now its just a new yeah, not a happy one =P
[22:45:00] <frallzor> *r
[22:45:55] <MattyMatt> so it should be Happy Midnight Alcohol Buzz then
[22:46:21] <frallzor> yes!
[22:46:45] <MattyMatt> well, happy one of those then :) almost midnight again...
[22:50:03] <frallzor> bah bloody funeral on friday too
[22:51:51] <DaViruz> bloody funerals are the best
[22:52:05] <MattyMatt> are you burying her with a proper grave?
[22:52:34] <frallzor> proper as proper can be without the body so to speak
[22:53:40] <MattyMatt> if I had warning, I'd leave instructions for mine
[22:54:26] <MattyMatt> and probably a video tape, to curse some people from beyond
[22:55:10] <frallzor> =P
[22:55:39] <frallzor> the ones you know believe in ghosts "im coming after you"
[22:56:33] <MattyMatt> like that movie, send everyone on a treasure hunt. make the buggers dig
[22:57:42] <MattyMatt> some people are still convinced I'm only acting poor
[22:58:35] <frallzor> =P
[23:06:53] <MattyMatt> seriously tho. use it to celebrate her life
[23:17:56] <frallzor> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SFDCjcp_FzM the internet is fucking amazing
[23:18:04] <frallzor> (swedish song)
[23:20:06] <andypugh> This is a really good example of what Youtube can be, a rather well presented, amusing, documentary. http://www.youtube.com/v/jjuD288JlCs
[23:20:20] <frallzor> hmm
[23:20:23] <frallzor> that link was odd
[23:20:39] <frallzor> wanted to download somehthing
[23:22:08] <andypugh> This might work better, then
[23:22:11] <andypugh> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jjuD288JlCs
[23:22:21] <frallzor> si
[23:23:23] <frallzor> neat
[23:23:55] <micges> cool
[23:24:03] <andypugh> Geeky subject matter, but the production values are lots better than the norm
[23:29:34] <alex_joni> andypugh: that's cool
[23:29:53] <alex_joni> quite professional
[23:30:19] <andypugh> Aye, you could easily imagine it on the TV as it is.
[23:31:15] <tom3p> haha ls *flv ls: invalid option -- M !?! lemme see ls output .... ahah! a file named -MsOycAtwMM.flv , so ls figured the fname was a command line option!
[23:31:56] <tom3p> that'll teach me not to snag youtube flv's ( oh no it wont ;)
[23:58:28] <andypugh> I plan on poking a scope at things tomorrow, but can anyone guess why my new setup only has one functional axis? It is a 7i43, all the wiring buzzes out correctly, but only axis.2 moves.