#emc | Logs for 2009-12-24

[00:00:20] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hIMcNaMZ9h4&feature=player_embedded
[00:14:56] <FlexxxV> hello, I'mplanning to build a selfmade cnc. This electronics for the axis stepper motors should work: http://reprap.org/bin/view/Main/Stepper_Motor_Driver_2_3?
[00:16:01] <FlexxxV> think this board is better than the L297 L298 Solution because it is more cheap and wont get hot
[00:16:31] <frallzor> never select electronics before you know what to build
[00:16:39] <frallzor> numero uno tip
[00:17:36] <FlexxxV> I only want to build a small cnc
[00:18:09] <FlexxxV> so I just want to start with electronics so that I can choose the right parts for it
[00:18:24] <frallzor> bad idea Id say
[00:19:02] <FlexxxV> thanks for the optimism
[00:19:07] <FlexxxV> ;)
[00:19:15] <frallzor> its common sense
[00:19:44] <frallzor> do the design first, decide what you want to mill, plan, then check what you need electronicswise
[00:20:58] <FlexxxV> If I build the cnc too big and I would need some very expensive electronics I will have to cancel the project. For me it has to be very low cost :/
[00:22:01] <FlexxxV> I think I'll just try the electronic (Think it should work with emc)
[00:23:22] <FlexxxV> btw: I'm just doing some cad work for planning
[00:27:30] <FlexxxV> the manuals for linuxcnc are very good but very long. Any possibillity to buy them printed?
[00:28:22] <frallzor> you can still get a cheap cnc even if you plan the machine first =)
[00:29:20] <micges> I agree, you must design first
[00:29:59] <frallzor> not planning can be a bigger mistake =)
[00:30:09] <frallzor> and more expensive
[00:30:35] <FlexxxV> Yeah.. BUt I think anyway I wont use Motors with more than 2A so the board should be fine... (I'm planning the hole thing in 3D cad)
[00:31:23] <micges> so you have plans ;)
[00:31:41] <FlexxxV> Of couse! Just not finished
[00:31:56] <frallzor> share? =)
[00:32:22] <FlexxxV> Right know I'm thinking what motor and electronics to use so they fit with hole thing and emc
[00:32:43] <frallzor> emc will work with pretty much everything that isnt superspecial
[00:34:22] <FlexxxV> at the moment there is still a lot of work to do (just did some fast sketches). Right know I'm just looking for cheap parts... (So that I can plan with them) So I think i'll just should be fine with this small board
[00:35:45] <FlexxxV> btw: what is hte best and easiest way to get gcode from a 3d model?
[00:36:05] <FlexxxV> (linuxcnc only can work with gcode?)
[00:36:22] <eric_unterhausen> yes
[00:36:31] <frallzor> cam-software
[00:37:56] <FlexxxV> any recommendations? (Free if possible)
[00:38:00] <eric_unterhausen> I need a piece of steel about 3"x3"x6"
[00:38:27] <eric_unterhausen> FlexxV: pickings are slim
[00:38:41] <eric_unterhausen> what format 3d?
[00:40:19] <FlexxxV> for example dxf (but wouldn't care too much swtich programm for this)
[00:40:30] <eric_unterhausen> dxf is 2d?
[00:41:03] <eric_unterhausen> gcam and heeks I think will convert that
[00:41:17] <eric_unterhausen> you might want to look at those anyway
[00:41:58] <FlexxxV> anyway have to quit. (christmas comming too soon :D )
[00:43:17] <MattyMatt> frallzor, I've had to adapt along the way :)
[00:44:24] <MattyMatt> designing first takes too long, although my machine is more complete in blender than IRL
[00:45:43] <frallzor> i see
[00:46:07] <eric_unterhausen> 12"x3"x3" steel bar is $80
[00:48:00] <MattyMatt> including delivery? :)
[00:48:04] <eric_unterhausen> no
[00:49:55] <eric_unterhausen> http://cgi.ebay.com/M-2-BAR-STOCK-M-2-TOOL-STEEL-FLAT-STOCK-STEEL-BAR-29_W0QQitemZ130354059274QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item1e59b5180a
[00:50:02] <eric_unterhausen> you could keep the barn door open with that
[00:54:52] <MattyMatt> 30lbs?
[00:56:04] <MattyMatt> seems about right. a 1" slice could be bigger than a kilo
[00:59:26] <MattyMatt> heh that tool steel to here = $266.82UPS Worldwide Expedited
[01:00:54] <MattyMatt> and customs would saw it in half to look inside
[01:02:39] <MattyMatt> and then I'd go to jail, because the only way I could afford the shipping was to carry some supercargo :p
[01:04:09] <MattyMatt> it makes the effort of building a blast furnace so much more worthwhile :)
[01:05:24] <frallzor> ceramic bearings, is that good? :P
[01:05:43] <MattyMatt> no
[01:06:14] <MattyMatt> except in a high speed spindle possibly
[01:06:37] <MattyMatt> they are faster quieter smoother, but not as strong
[01:07:19] <skinnypup_> what uses ceramic bearings other than turbos ?
[01:07:20] <frallzor> seems they last alot longer too
[01:07:42] <MattyMatt> racing bikes
[01:08:11] <MattyMatt> because they a 2g lighter :)
[01:08:15] <skinnypup_> in the wheels or crankshaft assy ?
[01:08:27] <MattyMatt> wheels is the ones I saw
[01:08:58] <skinnypup_> hmm ,, i could spit 10 grams in a few seconds ...
[01:09:15] <frallzor> my spindle has a sticker saying ceramic bearings, thats why I was curious =)
[01:09:29] <skinnypup_> perhaps its b/c they can take the braking heat better?
[01:09:37] <MattyMatt> they already did that on the Cap de Altitude sprint section
[01:09:44] <MattyMatt> no spit left
[01:10:35] <MattyMatt> braking heat?
[01:10:52] <frallzor> yes
[01:11:37] <frallzor> or well, that probably wont affect bearings if thinking about what IM thinking about =)
[01:11:47] <MattyMatt> I didn't know braking heated bearings more than a normal load
[01:12:15] <frallzor> but slowing down a spindle makes alot of heat in somw ways
[01:12:16] <frallzor> *e
[01:12:55] <MattyMatt> yeah the kinetic energy of the flywheeling part has to go somewhere
[01:13:26] <MattyMatt> motor driver should have a battery to store it in :)
[01:13:43] <MattyMatt> or another motor + flywheel
[01:16:18] <MattyMatt> I like the way the label on yours says Duty Cycle 1
[01:16:50] <frallzor> whatwhat? =)
[01:17:07] <MattyMatt> the tag on your spindle, above the sticker
[01:17:23] <frallzor> ah
[01:17:27] <frallzor> what does that mean? =)
[01:17:45] <MattyMatt> it means it's rated for 24/7/52 opeartion
[01:17:57] <MattyMatt> 100%
[01:18:12] <frallzor> 24/7 for 52 days?
[01:18:34] <MattyMatt> 52 weeks per year
[01:18:49] <frallzor> should I say omfg?
[01:19:13] <MattyMatt> no, but if mine can manage that I'm going to church
[01:19:52] <frallzor> so its made for hard work in other words? =)
[01:19:56] <MattyMatt> it's already died once and it hasn't been on the machine yet
[01:21:52] <MattyMatt> you should find out the rated service life of the bearings, because they don't wear gracefully like steel, they shatter. that's what the internet told me anyway
[01:24:16] <MattyMatt> it'll be around 4 years I bet, that's the normal design lifetime of everything commercial, because of tax rules :)
[01:25:53] <frallzor> no hurries yet
[01:26:02] <frallzor> still some time until i can use it =)
[01:26:08] <MattyMatt> so, adding up all the evidence, those bearings should last a lifetime in normal use
[01:27:18] <frallzor> nice
[01:27:39] <frallzor> now my bed calls for me!
[01:27:40] <frallzor> GN
[01:27:43] <MattyMatt> gn
[02:05:41] <lilalinux> lilalinux is now known as lilalinux_away
[02:20:21] <MarkusBec> MarkusBec is now known as MarkusBec_away
[04:56:29] <jimbo> When I load hal_m5i20 inside of halrun I am able to see the pins on the 5i20 card. After typing start inside of halrun I am unable to see the pin transitions using halmeter. If I use halmeter after starting AXIS I am able to see the transition of the pins. i am trying to figure out what i am doing wrong.
[05:03:32] <SWPadnos> did you add the read/write functions to a thread?
[05:03:41] <SWPadnos> (and of course create the thread in the first place)
[05:09:15] <jimbo> So when you use loadrt hal_m5i20 dies this load the thread? how would one add read/write to the thread?
[05:14:34] <SWPadnos> threads is a separate HAL module, you tell it the thread periods at load time
[05:14:46] <SWPadnos> you then add functions to the thread(s)
[05:15:09] <SWPadnos> functions such as m5i20.0.read (or similar)
[05:15:42] <SWPadnos> this is all explained in the HAL manual, and in the manpages for the HAL threads module
[05:16:52] <jimbo> I will continue to read. Thanks SWPadnos
[05:17:04] <SWPadnos> sure - enjoy
[05:29:12] <Jymmm> HAL now brown cow
[06:09:01] <Jymmm> HAL now Big Jolly Guy ?
[10:24:47] <awallin> Merry Christmas to the emc2 crowd from Helsinki, Finland !
[10:25:46] <micges> merry Christmas from Thorn, Poland !
[11:16:00] <lilalinux_away> lilalinux_away is now known as lilalinux
[11:23:23] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[11:29:18] <EbiDK> EbiDK is now known as EbiDK|AWAY
[12:32:15] <tarzan_> same from mexico !
[12:34:23] <Jymmm> MERRY CHRISTMAS !!! (and if you have a problem with that, see http://www.illwillpress.com/XMESS1.html)
[13:04:31] <ries> Jymmm: Merry christmas!
[13:04:48] <Jymmm> ries: same to you =)
[13:07:20] <MattyXM> christmas humbug, the days are getting longer already \o/
[13:07:30] <MattyXM> mm humbug
[13:07:37] <MattyXM> minty
[13:08:18] <MattyXM> merry thursday, anyway
[13:10:41] <MattyMatt> and happy birthday, little baby jesus
[13:16:56] <archivist_emc> bah humbug
[13:24:26] <MattyMatt> I'm a Dutchman for the duration Sinta Klaas came and went on the 6th, but I was English at the time
[13:27:15] <MattyMatt> a Dutch Atheist of course, they-er-we still do midnight mass tonight
[14:09:37] <tom3p> Merry Christmas everyone, eat well & play nice :)
[14:28:58] <cradek> for only a few more days will irc things keep lighting up that have nothing to do with me
[14:47:51] <archivist_emc> has the coloured path in axis a limited length?
[14:49:51] <cradek> yes
[14:51:34] <archivist_emc> ok that explains it :)
[14:54:20] <cradek> since it has to save all those points it would be bad if it grew forever
[14:54:44] <cradek> you're seeing it take away the oldest lines?
[14:54:54] <archivist_emc> yup
[14:55:02] <cradek> good, that's what it's supposed to do
[14:55:11] <cradek> (I'm not sure I've ever seen it)
[14:55:35] <archivist_emc> its in a test of the counterbore code :)
[14:55:51] <cradek> a crazy test?
[14:59:15] <archivist_emc> http://www.collection.archivist.info/Screenshot-cbore.ngc%20-%20AXIS%202.2.8-1.png
[15:00:11] <archivist_emc> 1/4 endmill doing a 1.6" wide 1" deep
[15:02:18] <tom3p> 346 lines of code doesnt seem very long, nor does the path look more complex than others I've seen
[15:08:04] <tom3p> re: "´╗┐SWPadnos: threads is a separate HAL module, you tell it the thread periods at load time"
[15:08:04] <tom3p> I'm trying to automate this sort of thing in geda2hal.
[15:08:04] <tom3p> In testing, I've been loading the thread instances in a hal file,
[15:08:04] <tom3p> but most users will get the threads "automagicly" by using emc2,
[15:08:04] <tom3p> it seems the thread names are defaulted (not in a file),
[15:08:05] <tom3p> and the ini files sizes the periods and sets priorities... true??
[15:08:33] <SWPadnos> mostly true
[15:08:59] <SWPadnos> the times are set in the ini file (on the motmod line, BASE_PERIOD_NS=,,,)
[15:09:19] <SWPadnos> the HAL priorities are simple - the fastest thread is also the highest priority
[15:09:23] <SWPadnos> and so on
[15:09:59] <SWPadnos> there is a caveat to using threads though. the threads component can create up to 3 threads at a time, but it mist be unloaded if you want to create more
[15:10:13] <ries> hey all, after I run setsmi, I cannot run the command line latency test anymore, the message I get is ERROR: cannot load /usr/realtime/modules/rtai_sched.ko
[15:10:35] <SWPadnos> all threads have periods which are a multiple of the fastest thread period, which means you can't make a slow thread and then a faster one
[15:10:54] <SWPadnos> and you also can't have the fastest thread be every 1ms, and the next fastest every 3.5ms
[15:11:14] <SWPadnos> ries, does dmesg have any more information?
[15:12:04] <ries> SWPadnos: let ,me check that
[15:12:44] <ries> SWPadnos: yeaa it does... unknown symbol stuff
[15:12:59] <ries> I think my compiled version of rtai and the origional version are mixed...
[15:13:04] <ries> could that be?
[15:13:17] <SWPadnos> could be
[15:14:10] <tom3p> SWPadnos: thx, i was wondering about how the threads got created and how they were specified, it's not obvious ( as in "written as text in a file" ).
[15:14:14] <tom3p> ´╗┐in my tests, i specify everything, in emc2, somthings are 'done for you'
[15:15:19] <SWPadnos> yeah, that's the hard part :)
[15:15:46] <SWPadnos> how are you abstracting threads in a schematic environment?
[15:18:32] <tom3p> SWPadnos: i wanted to, before i noticed this hiccup about emc2 instancing them for the user. makes a single file solution impossible.
[15:18:55] <SWPadnos> what I meant was - how do you deal with them in a schematic
[15:19:43] <SWPadnos> I can see making component functions into pins, which would get connected to a thread component, probably in a certain order
[15:19:50] <tom3p> i make a symbol with a user editable name, and a pin, the user connects the 'thread' pin to a 'function' pin, nothing hidden, nothing automatic
[15:20:02] <SWPadnos> (ie, the thread has 20 inputs, and you connect the functions to them in the order you want them to run)
[15:20:16] <tom3p> thread pin is connected to the function pin ( hambone hambone)
[15:20:34] <tom3p> as many as needed
[15:22:33] <tom3p> order is wiring order, netlist knows the sequence, and you know what you did ( i spose thats not so obvious either visually)
[15:27:41] <tom3p> http://imagebin.ca/view/rDm8e0d8.html
[15:32:54] <SWPadnos> well, the thing you know about emc is that it creates two realtime threads - the servo thread and the base thread
[15:33:14] <SWPadnos> I think it used to make a third, the traj thread, but I don't know that it does that any more
[15:33:32] <cradek> afaik, traj has never been its own realtime thread
[15:35:30] <SWPadnos> ok - wasn't sure about that
[16:19:14] <MarkusBec> MarkusBec is now known as MarkusBec_away
[16:33:01] <danimal_garage> morning guys
[16:37:31] <danimal_garage> electrical question here..... I have a rotary phase converter running a few machines. The wires run to a junction box, which sends 3 phase to both my mills. One mill is getting disconnected, and i'd like to run a single phase 220v line from the same junction box.
[16:37:34] <danimal_garage> To me it seems like i can just leave out the third leg that the rotary phase converter generates and i should get single phase 220v without any issues. Does this make sense?
[16:38:30] <danimal_garage> i know it'll be single phase 220v, i just want to make sure it isnt too unsafe
[16:38:47] <cradek> sounds like it would be better if you could put a new (double) breaker in your regular box
[16:39:38] <danimal_garage> i'm out of room
[16:39:55] <danimal_garage> i'd have to upgrade my subpannel, and i cant afford that right now
[16:39:56] <cradek> yuck, hate that
[16:41:01] <danimal_garage> yea
[16:41:22] <SWPadnos> what kind of load do you expect on the single phase?
[16:41:28] <SWPadnos> (relative to the 3-phase loads)
[16:41:56] <danimal_garage> 2hp on the 3 phase, and 3hp on the single phase
[16:42:03] <danimal_garage> i'll check the amperage
[16:42:31] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[16:42:33] <danimal_garage> the single phase line will be a VFD that'll run on single phase
[16:43:11] <SWPadnos> if the wild leg of the phase converter is pretty close to line voltage, I'd just use 3ph for the VFD
[16:44:04] <cradek> I'd think you can put extra single phase load on the real phase... but yuck
[16:44:08] <SWPadnos> I don't have any specific reason for that, it just seems like a bad idea to run a lot of extra current through the phase converter without it being a more or less balanced load
[16:44:21] <cradek> why not tap the output of the breaker in the normal panel?
[16:44:21] <SWPadnos> yesh, it just sounds wrong
[16:44:30] <SWPadnos> tap the input to the phase converter
[16:44:39] <cradek> right, pick any circuit and hook up to it
[16:44:57] <danimal_garage> well i got some fault codes every once in a while on my old vfd, which caused the motor to shut off and my machine to crash, and i think the phase converter might have caused that
[16:45:16] <SWPadnos> yeah - put the split before the idler motor
[16:45:18] <cradek> what did the fault codes say?
[16:46:17] <danimal_garage> i wont be running extra current through the rotary phase converter with the single phase load, because the only line that is coming from the phase converter isnt going to be used. the rest of the wires are pre-phase converter
[16:46:48] <danimal_garage> i think
[16:46:53] <danimal_garage> i'll have to check
[16:47:08] <danimal_garage> cradek, i forgot, it's been a while
[16:47:08] <SWPadnos> err
[16:47:37] <danimal_garage> that vfd has been dead for quite some time
[16:48:14] <danimal_garage> thanks to my air broom
[16:48:25] <danimal_garage> opps!
[16:48:35] <cradek> ouch
[16:49:50] <danimal_garage> yep. it was behind my machine too, must have been some sweet ricoche shot off the wall
[16:50:04] <danimal_garage> made a nice pop
[16:50:53] <danimal_garage> so assuming i am tapped in pre-roto-phase, i should be ok for the time being?
[16:52:01] <danimal_garage> I cant wait till i can afford to get my shop in a building with real 3 phase
[16:52:39] <danimal_garage> 60 hours a week of the rot0-phase buzzing in your ear gets old quick
[16:59:05] <MattyXM> put the gen up a 50ft pole with a propeller on it. wind powered mill. you could call it a wind..uhm..mill
[17:00:07] <MattyXM> it may not be reliable, but it's free and 50ft away :)
[17:01:01] <MattyXM> I think you can get about 200W off the biggest you can do here without planning permission
[17:02:03] <MattyXM> but as Grace Hopper said, it's always easier to ask forgiveness than permission
[17:03:05] <MattyXM> but they busted her baqck to Captain after she sti
[17:03:11] <MattyXM> ole the Enterprise
[17:03:34] <MattyXM> or I'm getting her mixed up
[17:46:55] <ries> I re-compiled rtai and made sure that the 'old' modules of rtai are gone, yet when I do setsmi and rstsmi, then the latency test failed to run, I wonder if I should re-compile Linux...
[17:46:59] <danimal_garage> hmm ok i got it figured out... i can put in another junction box on the line running to my surface grinder, and run the mill off of that. Then i can make the other line where both mills came off of single phase only. That should actually be pretty kosher.
[17:47:17] <ries> dmesg still shows my Unknown symbol errors
[17:47:55] <SWPadnos> ries, can you put some of dmesg on pastebin?
[17:48:02] <ries> yes I can
[17:48:20] <SWPadnos> oh, well please do then :)
[17:48:33] <danimal_garage> hows the weather in VT?
[17:48:48] <SWPadnos> warm now - up to 25 degrees
[17:48:49] <ries> SWPadnos: will do... I must have done something wrong
[17:49:09] <danimal_garage> that's toasty
[17:49:26] <SWPadnos> oh wait - 27 now
[17:49:29] <ries> same here... no wite christmas, just blue sky...
[17:49:39] <SWPadnos> woo-hoo, it might get above freezing today
[17:49:46] <danimal_garage> haha
[17:49:50] <Guest358> it is raining here..
[17:50:00] <Guest358> Guest358 is now known as skunkworks_
[17:50:00] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: WooHoo, you can wear your speedos now!
[17:50:11] <SWPadnos> yeah, baby!
[17:50:46] <ries> * ries doesn't want to know that.... :)
[17:50:54] <danimal_garage> i bet it got into the 40's here last night, my heater kicked on and it was set at 62
[17:51:36] <danimal_garage> 40 is cold for here
[17:52:08] <SWPadnos> I finally lit the pilot light in the downstairs heater a couple of days ago
[17:52:16] <SWPadnos> after a week below 20, I figured it was time
[17:52:31] <danimal_garage> yea, that's plenty cold enough
[17:52:34] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Did you turn on he therostat?
[17:52:35] <ries> SWPadnos: http://pastebin.com/d47c51cc2
[17:52:42] <SWPadnos> yeah, it's up to 60 or so
[17:53:00] <danimal_garage> my parents live in southern coastal Maine and their pipes froze this week
[17:53:21] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Oh, ok. I thought you were just relying upon the pilot light itself =)
[17:53:36] <danimal_garage> haha Jymmm
[17:53:36] <SWPadnos> well, it is a mini flamethrower
[17:53:41] <SWPadnos> surprisingly warm actually
[17:54:03] <Jymmm> Yeah, I know, but didn't think it would be able to take care of sub zero temps
[17:54:26] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: Light a candle, it will bring up room temp
[17:54:29] <SWPadnos> re: white christmas - it's unlikely that Jesus ever saw a white birthday, as he lived in a desert
[17:54:35] <danimal_garage> my mom figured since they dont use the upstairs at all, she could turn the heat down to just above freezing and the pipes will be ok
[17:54:48] <danimal_garage> she was wrong
[17:54:58] <SWPadnos> yeah, there's this thermal diffusion thing
[17:55:35] <danimal_garage> yea, she's a nurse, not an engineer
[17:55:52] <danimal_garage> plus this is her first year in Maine, they just built that house
[17:56:11] <Jymmm> danimal_garage: Does she like the iceciles hanging from the upstars seiling?
[17:56:15] <Jymmm> ceiling
[17:56:43] <danimal_garage> probably
[17:57:34] <SWPadnos> ries, I think the unknown symbol errors are bogus. the latency test script loads the RTAI modules, which fail to load, and then loads the latency test module, which can't find the symbols from the not-loaded RTAI modules
[17:57:44] <SWPadnos> I don't know why the RTAI modules are failing to load though
[17:57:51] <danimal_garage> ok, off to home depot i go to get more wire
[17:58:15] <danimal_garage> have a good christmas everyone
[17:58:22] <SWPadnos> see you
[17:58:25] <ries> SWPadnos: the only think I noticed is that after I run rstsmi, then lsmod is still showing two rtai_XXX modules, and I cannot remove them, not even with rmmod --force
[17:58:26] <SWPadnos> good luck shopping today ;)
[17:58:39] <danimal_garage> ugh, good point
[17:59:10] <SWPadnos> luckily, it should be mostly men shopping today, and they're unlikely to shop at HD for presents for their significant others
[17:59:27] <ries> rtai_sched and rtai_hal hangs around...
[17:59:48] <ries> when I compiled rtai, it was using the correct headers (from /usr/src/linux)
[18:00:34] <SWPadnos> ries, unfortuantely, I don't know a lot about the mechanics of how the RTAI modules work, and I can't experiment at the moment, as I don't have an EMC machine easily accessible
[18:00:49] <ries> SWPadnos: thanks for the look though...
[18:00:57] <SWPadnos> yeah, they look like they're the same version, made with the same compiler (that's in dmesg)
[18:00:59] <SWPadnos> sure
[18:03:26] <tom3p> does anyone else's m5i20_pidtest.hal read "addf m5i20.0.digital-out-write m5i20.threa1" ?
[18:03:46] <tom3p> line 26
[18:04:25] <SWPadnos> yes, that's how it is in git
[18:04:55] <SWPadnos> seems like that shouldn't work now, doesn't it
[18:19:24] <danimal_garage> crap, my manual says my vfd can only put out 7 amps if in the single phase mode
[18:20:10] <danimal_garage> but it's a 3.7kw vfd, and it's rated at 17.5A
[18:20:34] <danimal_garage> my motor is rated at 7.8A :(
[18:21:08] <danimal_garage> 2.2kw
[18:23:04] <tom3p> lower you chipload? ( SNL " lower your expectations" )
[18:23:38] <danimal_garage> ha
[18:23:54] <danimal_garage> those skits always cracked me up
[18:24:43] <danimal_garage> well i really only cut aluminum, i dont put much strain on the motor
[18:25:12] <danimal_garage> well, aluminum, ti, and stainless i guess, but i dont use any tools bigger than .375"
[18:25:32] <danimal_garage> think it'd be ok?
[18:26:53] <tom3p> i have no experience with your drive, but it sounds like it has a built in safety ( it'll crap out if it overloads ). read more & ask mfctr before flaming out :)
[18:28:25] <danimal_garage> well now that i think about it, my old vfd had a current meter on it, and it barely ever reached 7A
[18:28:40] <danimal_garage> if at all
[18:30:03] <tom3p> ah, i was thinking you still have it wired, so clamp on a meter and see what the draw is
[18:30:19] <danimal_garage> i dont have a meter
[18:30:52] <danimal_garage> it is still wired, but without a VFD
[18:32:02] <danimal_garage> i'm checking to see if i can score a clamp on meter
[18:33:47] <tom3p> a second meter is redundant but adds confidence. do the docs suggest temporary spikes are ok? ( initial plunge, startup, reversing taps...)
[18:34:31] <danimal_garage> doesnt say much
[18:34:37] <danimal_garage> just has a chart
[18:34:51] <danimal_garage> says rated current in single phase mode is 7A
[20:10:18] <frallzor> ho ho hooo
[20:15:26] <ries> hey frallzor
[20:15:48] <frallzor> heyhey
[20:16:22] <ries> what's up?
[20:16:30] <frallzor> nm just got home
[20:16:32] <frallzor> you?
[20:17:57] <frallzor> check the industrial computer? =)
[20:22:18] <ries> frallzor: I couldn't find one, so I started to write some more software for a client
[20:22:26] <ries> also compiling a linux kernel (takes hours!!!)
[20:24:56] <frallzor> http://cgi.ebay.com/Industrial-Computer-Nema-Housing-Touch-screen-XP-Repair_W0QQitemZ180447287093QQcmdZViewItemQQptZDesktop_PCs?hash=item2a037f1735 same guy, same computer but with a bad psu
[20:25:19] <ries> I do have some better results now with the laptop though, but I might get rid of ubuntu (to much crap in there) and get a more lean Linux distro (Debian?) and use that
[20:26:20] <SWPadnos> try starting with the Ubuntu server version instead of desktop
[20:26:39] <frallzor> possible with the boot-cd version?
[20:26:54] <frallzor> if installed that is
[20:26:56] <SWPadnos> you'd have to roll your own EMC2+server CD
[20:27:03] <ries> SWPadnos: I was indeed thinking about that, without cups, sounds etc...
[20:27:05] <frallzor> =/
[20:27:15] <SWPadnos> yes, you can install server, then use the wiki instructions to install EMC2
[20:27:27] <celeron55_> installing emc2 on any ubuntu installation is pretty easy
[20:27:28] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Dude man, you gots any emc papers
[20:27:32] <frallzor> thats damn hard =(
[20:27:39] <ries> I could run a x-server on my mactop and access emc2 from there :)
[20:27:41] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, papers of what type?
[20:27:57] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: So I can roll my own emc dude
[20:28:02] <SWPadnos> ah
[20:28:08] <SWPadnos> no, sorry. you'll have to get your own
[20:28:13] <SWPadnos> should be easy in Cali
[20:28:23] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: (true)
[20:29:27] <SWPadnos> frallzor, those look like nice PCs. Too bad the guy doesn't have photos each of the actual units
[20:29:40] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: So, I go to the shop I usually go to to grab some smokes. On the counter is a display of these lil tubes with a purple rose inside it. The gf like purple and thought it be a nice stocking stuffer. I ask the gal behind the counter what are these for (as they look a tad bit strange) she says "you dont want to know", then it dawns on me, I almost got my gf a crack pipe as a stocking stuffer.
[20:29:45] <SWPadnos> it's hard to tell if the screen has been damaged (from being in a truck stop for an unknown time)
[20:30:01] <SWPadnos> heh. oops
[20:30:48] <Jymmm> I'll have to take a pic next time I'm in there
[20:31:13] <SWPadnos> oh. I bet they'd love that
[20:31:59] <Jymmm> It's some asian gal that runs it, she's never even smoked pot. she dont care.
[20:33:23] <Jymmm> she always take car of me, makes sure to order stuff so it's in stock when I go in, etc.
[20:33:45] <Jymmm> I spend enough frickin money in there, she better!
[20:34:00] <SWPadnos> I thought you were trying to quit
[20:35:18] <Jymmm> I was, the last eCig I bought started having an aftertaste. I called the ppl that sell them, they say to clean with mouthwash, but didn't help and food-grade alcohol is on the controlled substances list.
[20:35:48] <Jymmm> so it's like $60/gal + haz-mat shipping, fsck that
[20:36:35] <Jymmm> What I need to do is hit the winery I used to work at and bring an empty bottle
[20:37:11] <Jymmm> and maybe a 6 pack of beer =)
[20:37:18] <SWPadnos> hwh
[20:37:20] <SWPadnos> heh
[20:37:31] <Jymmm> They're all alcoholics
[20:37:42] <Jymmm> lol
[20:38:15] <SWPadnos> I always seem to work at whineries
[20:38:16] <Jymmm> I just wished I liked wine... I left there with like a case - and the good stuff too.
[20:38:27] <john_f_> Hi all, is there a list of the sytem variables somewhere? The ones used by a gcode program such as current coordinate reference point, current tool diameter etc.
[20:38:45] <SWPadnos> john_f_, yes. the manual has a list of what the numbered parameters mean
[20:43:12] <danimal_garage> Jymmm, you're in cali?
[20:43:56] <danimal_garage> what part?
[20:45:52] <john_f_> SWPadnos: do you mean the user manual? I don't see a complete list.
[20:48:07] <SWPadnos> it may be the user manual, I'm not sure
[20:48:25] <SWPadnos> there are a few additional variables in the development version, which may not have been added
[20:49:50] <SWPadnos> but the table showing the various parameters (like this one http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.3/html/common_machining_center.html#sub:Parameters ) is complete, I think
[20:50:31] <SWPadnos> some of the things you're looking for are probably not exported to G-code, such as G20/G21 (which I think you asked about last night)
[20:55:53] <john_f_> OK, that is too bad I would like to know from within the program things like the current tool dia and g20/g21 so I can make some better Gcode routines.
[21:06:18] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[21:07:09] <danimal_garage> how accurate of spindle speed can i get if i use a vfd and i have an encoder on the spindle? (vfd is sensorless, encoder goes to my mesa board)
[21:08:04] <danimal_garage> will emc try to correct the speed if it slows under load?
[21:08:39] <jthornton> is EMC controlling the speed?
[21:09:55] <danimal_garage> yes, via 0-10v
[21:10:20] <danimal_garage> i have a mesa 7i37, and i was planning on using that as my analog output to the VFD
[21:10:32] <danimal_garage> as well as for the encoder
[21:10:49] <danimal_garage> sorry, 7i33
[21:11:14] <jthornton> AFAIK if you have a closed loop with EMC then it will
[21:11:27] <danimal_garage> cool
[21:11:41] <danimal_garage> just curious, as i plan to rigid tap with it
[21:12:27] <jthornton> cool
[21:12:40] <danimal_garage> thanks for the info
[21:12:50] <jthornton> * jthornton goes back to insulating the attic of the shop :(
[21:13:13] <danimal_garage> i wasnt sure if it controlled the spindle speed, or slowed down the z axis feed to match the proper pitch
[21:13:54] <danimal_garage> have fun, dont get too itchy from the fiberglass
[21:40:37] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Here's your Christmas gift... http://sfbay.craigslist.org/eby/hsh/1523875814.html
[21:47:13] <danimal_garage> Jymmm: where in CA are you?
[21:50:02] <jt-plasma> Whew! I finally ran out of insulation :)
[21:50:26] <Jymmm> jt-plasma: Now to buy 40 more loafs befor ethe store closes
[21:51:05] <jt-plasma> how do you make the finger emotion ?
[21:51:09] <jt-plasma> :P
[21:51:19] <danimal_garage> oh, jt-plasma = jthornton?
[21:51:30] <jt-plasma> yep just a different location
[21:51:39] <danimal_garage> did not know that
[21:51:46] <Jymmm> jt-plasma: Take the hint ----> ,,|,,
[21:51:50] <jt-plasma> this is in the garage with the plasma and the Hardinge
[21:52:04] <jt-plasma> Jymmm: LOL
[21:52:07] <Jymmm> =)
[21:52:19] <danimal_garage> do you have a mill too?
[21:53:00] <danimal_garage> if i had a plasma, i'd burn my house down
[21:53:20] <danimal_garage> i was welding the other day, and a broom on the other end of the garage caught on fire
[21:53:45] <danimal_garage> not even in the same remote location, plus it was behind a chip barrel
[22:06:29] <jthornton> danimal_garage: yes I have a BP series I with an Anilam control on it
[22:06:41] <jthornton> Oh I feel better after a shower
[22:07:05] <jthornton> it's a cnc plasma that I built from scratch
[22:07:17] <danimal_garage> nice
[22:07:31] <danimal_garage> did you build the actual plasma too?
[22:07:52] <jthornton> I can put a 4' x 8' sheet on it but the cut area is 36" x 52"
[22:07:58] <jthornton> no I used a Hypertherm 1250
[22:08:01] <jthornton> it'
[22:08:05] <jthornton> s cnc ready
[22:08:14] <Jymmm> jthornton: Oh, that kinda bites
[22:08:25] <Jymmm> jthornton: the cut area that is
[22:08:25] <jthornton> what does
[22:08:31] <danimal_garage> cool
[22:08:36] <jthornton> works for me
[22:08:46] <jthornton> and does not take up the whole shop
[22:09:09] <Jymmm> jthornton: Well, cool. It just sucks not being able to use stock sizes I've found.
[22:09:29] <jthornton> I use stock sizes of 4' x 8'
[22:09:32] <Jymmm> at least for wood
[22:09:32] <danimal_garage> do you have a shear?
[22:09:41] <jthornton> the extra just hangs off the end
[22:09:44] <danimal_garage> i need a shear badly
[22:10:01] <jthornton> no, I have a box brake but use the plasma for cutting
[22:10:13] <jthornton> a shear would be nice for thin material
[22:10:14] <danimal_garage> but i need one that can handle .13" 7075 aluminum
[22:10:30] <jthornton> that is a pretty mean one LOL
[22:10:40] <danimal_garage> yea, and i'm out of room
[22:10:44] <jthornton> what are you making?
[22:10:52] <danimal_garage> chainrings
[22:10:56] <danimal_garage> for bicycles
[22:11:24] <jthornton> sprokets?
[22:11:37] <jthornton> sprockets?
[22:12:06] <danimal_garage> http://homebrewedcomponents.wordpress.com/product-pictures-and-pricing/
[22:12:08] <danimal_garage> yep
[22:12:12] <danimal_garage> thats my stuff
[22:13:06] <jthornton> cool, you buy sheets or flats?
[22:13:51] <danimal_garage> sheet
[22:14:04] <danimal_garage> i have them cut it into 6"x48" strips
[22:14:10] <danimal_garage> but it's expensive
[22:15:42] <jthornton> why not just buy 6" x .125 material
[22:15:53] <danimal_garage> i would if they had it
[22:15:59] <danimal_garage> plus sheet is cleaner anyways
[22:16:13] <danimal_garage> 7075 is hard to get in that thickness
[22:16:27] <danimal_garage> it's even hard to get in sheet
[22:16:28] <jthornton> oh, you have to have .130"
[22:16:34] <danimal_garage> yea
[22:16:37] <danimal_garage> well, no
[22:16:43] <danimal_garage> i can use .125"
[22:16:59] <danimal_garage> but i have yet to see .125x6 7075
[22:18:12] <danimal_garage> i have a guy who'll cut me a whole sheet into 6x6 squares for $4 each, but i'll have to shell out $800 becuase i have to order a whole sheet's worth
[22:19:31] <jthornton> what about 6" round stock and saw cut them out
[22:21:07] <danimal_garage> it isnt much cheaper
[22:21:32] <danimal_garage> it's actually more expensive from the quotes i've gotten, then i have to machine the faces, which i dont have to with sheet
[22:21:49] <danimal_garage> plus my bandsaw sucks
[22:22:47] <jthornton> did you do your web page by hand?
[22:23:06] <danimal_garage> yea, it's just wordpress, it's easy to do
[22:23:24] <danimal_garage> i have a real website with a webstore going online soon
[22:23:36] <danimal_garage> my current site is just a blog
[22:23:40] <jthornton> I just noticed the Cogs section and they don't line up... you might put then in a table
[22:23:59] <jthornton> them
[22:24:06] <danimal_garage> yea, it'll be completely different soon
[22:24:18] <jthornton> cool
[22:24:22] <danimal_garage> i have a writer working on my content now
[22:24:27] <jthornton> do you do the anodizing?
[22:24:30] <danimal_garage> yea
[22:24:53] <jthornton> home made setup or pro?
[22:25:01] <danimal_garage> very home made lol
[22:25:16] <jthornton> from the pictures it looks like a good result
[22:25:39] <danimal_garage> depends, sometimes it's better than others
[22:26:17] <danimal_garage> i just made titanium clips to hold the parts so i'll have better connections
[22:26:33] <danimal_garage> i need to get a tank heater now, since it's getting cold out
[22:26:37] <jthornton> I'd like to make some highway peg extensions from 7075 for my bluewing and anodize them blue
[22:26:57] <danimal_garage> cool
[22:27:01] <jthornton> I've looked at some of the processes out there and wondered how they worked
[22:27:26] <danimal_garage> i'm new at it, so i'm not the greatest, but alot of people get good results
[22:28:18] <jthornton> I might pick your brain one day on that :)
[22:28:37] <danimal_garage> yea, no problem
[22:28:52] <danimal_garage> I could probably do your pegs for you, as long as you arent too picky
[22:29:27] <jthornton> I might take you up on that if I ever get the time to machine them out...
[22:29:36] <danimal_garage> i'm about as good at anodizing as i am at EMC :)
[22:29:51] <danimal_garage> which isnt saying much, obviously
[22:30:25] <jthornton> we need to get you up to speed on EMC so your anodizing quality improves :)
[22:30:42] <danimal_garage> i got the science down now, i just need a tank heater and i think i'll be good
[22:30:47] <danimal_garage> hahaha
[22:31:08] <danimal_garage> i'm trying, it's just hard for me to understand alot of the emc stuff
[22:31:25] <jthornton> EMC can be confusing at first, but after you break it down and mess around it gets easier
[22:31:33] <danimal_garage> yea, it is
[22:31:59] <danimal_garage> there's a few things i'm not clear on, but i'm starting to get the big picture
[22:32:08] <jthornton> what is that?
[22:32:18] <danimal_garage> just HAL stuff
[22:33:24] <jthornton> did you read this part of the Integrators Manual http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//hal_basic_hal.html?
[22:33:36] <danimal_garage> i'm starting to understand the hal components... but some of the stuff like motion, halui, etc gets confusing
[22:33:58] <danimal_garage> i read the integrator's manual alot
[22:34:11] <danimal_garage> a very lot
[22:34:18] <jthornton> motion is real time stuff, halui is hal User Interface
[22:34:54] <danimal_garage> see the problem is i dont really know what hal user interface really means
[22:35:41] <jthornton> you can use the halui along with the pyvcp to create custom control panels
[22:36:06] <SWPadnos> it's just a user interface (like AXIS or tkEMC) that uses HAL connections to get its commands instead of using widgets on the PC screen
[22:36:10] <danimal_garage> that link is dead btw
[22:36:37] <danimal_garage> yea, i used a halui i think for my coolant
[22:36:39] <jthornton> works for me :/
[22:36:58] <SWPadnos> I think it's best to leave the trailing question mark out of the URL
[22:37:04] <danimal_garage> it said "error: does not exist"
[22:37:22] <jthornton> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//hal_basic_hal.html
[22:37:28] <danimal_garage> ha
[22:37:50] <danimal_garage> ok works now
[22:37:52] <jthornton> the ? was added by me, but I forgot a space
[22:38:38] <danimal_garage> ok so i see the signal thing... do i make my own signal, or is there a list of signals somewhere?
[22:38:57] <jthornton> you create a signal
[22:39:06] <danimal_garage> so far i got the signal names from stuff in the wiki, but i dont really understand where it comes from
[22:39:35] <danimal_garage> so it doesnt matter what the signal says, it's just a reference for myself basically?
[22:39:41] <SWPadnos> signals can have more or less any name you want
[22:39:47] <jthornton> you can use a signal to read the input
[22:40:05] <SWPadnos> (there are a couple of characters that aren't allowed, I believe)
[22:40:05] <jthornton> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//hal_basic_hal.html#cap:Signal-Direction
[22:40:16] <jthornton> take a look at this chart
[22:41:02] <jthornton> the signal name can be anything that is not used as a signal all ready
[22:41:24] <danimal_garage> so the halui, motion, etc is always a "destination"?
[22:41:44] <SWPadnos> no
[22:41:56] <jthornton> no, some are sources and some are destinations
[22:41:56] <danimal_garage> source?
[22:41:59] <SWPadnos> direction is dependent on what the pins are
[22:42:00] <danimal_garage> ok
[22:42:12] <danimal_garage> see that all hasnt clicked yet either
[22:42:37] <SWPadnos> each pin is for one piece of information
[22:42:40] <tom3p> re: iocontrol.0.blah has there ever been an iocontrol.1 or .2 used?
[22:42:51] <SWPadnos> that information is carried from an output pin to one or more inputs pins by a signal
[22:43:09] <SWPadnos> tom3p, no, not that I know of
[22:43:09] <danimal_garage> so you can have as many destinations/sources as you want to make the circuit?
[22:43:19] <SWPadnos> sort of
[22:43:38] <SWPadnos> but, like regular circuits, you don't want to connect multiple outputs together - they'll fight each other
[22:44:14] <danimal_garage> so say i wanted to have a push button to turn on my spindle, and the output would go to turn on my vfd, but i wanted it to work with an m3 as well.
[22:44:30] <tom3p> forget hardwired OR's, use components to join the signals
[22:44:35] <danimal_garage> would all that go in one line?
[22:44:39] <SWPadnos> no
[22:45:02] <danimal_garage> so would i use a toggle?
[22:45:04] <SWPadnos> the IO controller (I think) handles the spindle/VFD
[22:45:21] <SWPadnos> so those connections need to be made for M2/M3 to be able to control the spindle
[22:45:33] <danimal_garage> ok i thought it was motion
[22:45:44] <SWPadnos> once you have that set up, you can then add halui plus a button to semd the "spindle on" command
[22:45:46] <SWPadnos> could be
[22:45:56] <SWPadnos> s/semd/send/
[22:46:24] <SWPadnos> there is only one place that actually controls the spindle, but there can be several things that ask motion/IO to turn the spindle on/off
[22:46:50] <SWPadnos> that's what halui is for - it's a way of making physical buttons do the same things you can do from the GUI screens
[22:48:11] <jthornton> how does halui.spindle.start interact with M3?
[22:48:15] <danimal_garage> ok, so my hal says this: net spindleon => motion.spindle-on => mesa output pin...
[22:48:41] <SWPadnos> jthornton, if you tickle the spindle-start input to halui, it will issue an NML command to start the spindle
[22:48:52] <SWPadnos> just like AXIS/tkemc/mini/... would do
[22:49:01] <jthornton> ah, ok
[22:49:27] <danimal_garage> i tried writing a line to turn the spindle on with my push button, but it said a pin was already used
[22:49:43] <SWPadnos> danimal_garage, you can't directly do that with buttons
[22:50:11] <jthornton> so danimal_garage could have a net pyspindleon halui.spindle.start pyvcp.spindlestartbutton
[22:50:20] <SWPadnos> yes
[22:50:24] <jthornton> cool
[22:50:39] <danimal_garage> does eveahh ok
[22:50:43] <danimal_garage> opps
[22:50:46] <danimal_garage> ahh ok*
[22:51:01] <danimal_garage> i havent gotten into pyvcp yet
[22:51:16] <SWPadnos> or a mesa input
[22:51:22] <jthornton> your looking to use a hard wired button?
[22:51:34] <danimal_garage> yes
[22:52:21] <danimal_garage> well, hard wired to my mesa board, i'm not looking to bypass emc with it
[22:52:28] <jthornton> then net remotespindlestart mybuttoninput halui.spindle.start
[22:52:40] <SWPadnos> bbl
[22:52:42] <jthornton> mymesacardinput
[22:52:47] <danimal_garage> thanks SWPadnos!
[22:53:16] <danimal_garage> ok that makes sense
[22:53:23] <danimal_garage> i'm going to try it
[22:53:34] <jthornton> so you use a gpio connected to your button connected to halui.spindle.start
[22:53:57] <jthornton> do you know how to see what the pinout is on the 5i20?
[22:55:20] <danimal_garage> yep
[22:55:23] <danimal_garage> It worked!
[22:55:25] <jthornton> cool
[22:55:47] <jthornton> now you have to up the quality on your anodizing LOL
[22:55:51] <danimal_garage> i had it all right except i had the signal the same as my other spindle line
[22:56:11] <danimal_garage> i was foggy on the signals, so i wasnt sure if i was doing any of it right
[22:56:27] <danimal_garage> so i changed the signal and it worked great
[22:56:31] <jthornton> it helps to jabber about it a bit
[22:56:36] <danimal_garage> big time
[22:56:43] <danimal_garage> thank you
[22:56:48] <jthornton> np
[22:56:57] <danimal_garage> i deff owe you some anodizing now lol
[22:57:08] <jthornton> not really :)
[22:57:45] <danimal_garage> well i know you didnt do it for free anodizing, but i'd be happy to help you out
[22:58:14] <danimal_garage> what diameter do you want the pegs?
[22:58:19] <jthornton> no, I do it cause others did it for me
[22:59:21] <danimal_garage> yea, i cant wait till i know enough to "pay it forward". right now the best i can do is machining advice
[23:00:25] <danimal_garage> hey, is it possible to have the same button do 2 things? i'd like one button to put it in auto mode, and also be a run button
[23:00:46] <jthornton> they are a dog bone looking thing that moves the pegs out from the mount but Kuryakyn made them the same lenght... when on the goldwing the mounts are about an inch difference
[23:01:24] <jthornton> I'd stick to one button, one function myself
[23:02:22] <danimal_garage> i have a rotary switch for auto/manual/mdi, but it doesnt seem to work well, i'll have to see if i did something wrong
[23:02:52] <danimal_garage> problem is i think it's looking for momentary, so i dont know if the rotary switch will work well
[23:03:05] <jthornton> using halui?
[23:03:11] <danimal_garage> yes
[23:04:08] <jthornton> I'm not sure but I think the rotary should work
[23:04:32] <danimal_garage> i'll look into it some more
[23:04:37] <jthornton> your using halui.mode.manual etc on each signal?
[23:05:02] <Jymmm> Anyone looking for gift ideas for that someone special? http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sfc/cto/1523971803.html
[23:05:14] <jthornton> like net remotemanual halui.mode.manual mesa.gpio.pin.whatever
[23:05:34] <danimal_garage> halui.mode.manual, halui.mode.mdi, etc
[23:05:43] <jthornton> Jymmm: sounds cheap enough
[23:06:03] <Jymmm> jthornton: Till you need to adj the valves every 2 weeks
[23:06:25] <jthornton> ain't got time for that, might as well get a Jag
[23:06:56] <danimal_garage> i wouldnt pay 140k for anything without a sequential shift tranny
[23:07:51] <jthornton> danimal_garage: here is the pegs http://wingstuff.com/pgroup_detail/232_Footpeg_Floorboards/3764_Kuryakyn_GL1800_Accessory_Gold_Wing_Ergo_II/?goto=%2Fpgroup_list%2Fgl1800%2F232_goldwing_Footpeg_Floorboards%2Fdes%2F%3Fpage%3D3
[23:08:18] <jthornton> the part in the middle is what I need to make one a 1/2" shorter and one a 1/2" longer
[23:09:26] <danimal_garage> ahh, all mill work it looks like
[23:09:39] <jthornton> yep
[23:09:49] <danimal_garage> what keeps it from rotating down when there's weight on it?
[23:10:05] <jthornton> it has some notches in the inside
[23:10:11] <danimal_garage> ah ok
[23:11:11] <jthornton> pizza night here yum
[23:11:22] <danimal_garage> haha pizza night every night here
[23:11:32] <danimal_garage> which reminds me, i'm out of pizza
[23:11:46] <jthornton> home made pizza here
[23:11:54] <danimal_garage> crap, i hope the store is open tomorrow, fridays are 20% off pizza
[23:11:59] <Jymmm> jerky pizza?
[23:12:09] <danimal_garage> yum
[23:12:09] <jthornton> no
[23:12:18] <danimal_garage> home made pizza is the best
[23:12:27] <Jymmm> smoked pizza?
[23:12:31] <jthornton> http://suburb.semo.net/jet1024/recipes/pizza/pizza-sauce-fresh.html
[23:12:37] <jthornton> no!
[23:13:01] <danimal_garage> well i'm going to finish rewiring my garage so i can turn the breakers back on
[23:13:17] <danimal_garage> thanks alot for the help, it makes alot more sense now
[23:13:23] <jthornton> Jymmm: I guess I'm going to have to email you a piece of jerky
[23:13:31] <jthornton> ok, cool
[23:13:36] <danimal_garage> send some with your pegs!
[23:13:50] <Jymmm> jthornton: Nah, just make it my belated xmas gift =)
[23:13:58] <jthornton> I will it is steller
[23:14:01] <jthornton> ok Jymmm
[23:14:12] <Jymmm> jthornton: preerably before it turns to dust =)
[23:14:17] <danimal_garage> nice
[23:14:19] <jthornton> I have a 6 pound sack on the counter now
[23:14:26] <danimal_garage> adios guys
[23:14:34] <danimal_garage> have a good christmas
[23:14:36] <jthornton> see you later
[23:14:56] <jthornton> Jymmm: that ain't what it turns to LOL
[23:15:41] <Jymmm> jthornton: I can't talk about food now, just finish a spiral ham, rotten potatoes, baked yams, and grilled green beans. The blackberry pie just came out of the oven
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[23:15:57] <jthornton> nice
[23:16:21] <jthornton> time for a nap soon
[23:16:52] <Jymmm> Well, it's nap or clean off the workbench which I said I'd complete today - famous last words
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