#emc | Logs for 2009-12-22

[00:00:25] <frallzor> will be truly interesting to see if it works tomorrow
[00:00:40] <frallzor> and tomorrow is another nice day, the base for my mill is coming home!
[00:44:03] <andypugh> Night folks
[02:17:45] <lilalinux> lilalinux is now known as lilalinux_away
[02:27:39] <jfigie> Gcode question: On a 3 axis mill, what is the best way to move back to a tool change position for manual tool changes? I need to have the spindle all the way up to change the tool.
[02:44:48] <jfigie> I think I want a subroutine to move to my tool change position which is located a few inches from the work piece, but do I need to add the current tool length to the z axis move to retract the spindle?
[02:45:45] <jfigie> Or is there an easier or best practice way to do this?
[03:06:34] <dgarr> jfigie: look at g28,g28.1,g30,g30.1 http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//gcode.html
[03:07:54] <dgarr> also http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?ToolChangerImplementation
[03:13:05] <jfigie> OK but does g30 move all axes at once or can I move Z first then X and Y?
[03:20:23] <dgarr> "G30 _axes_ will make a rapid traverse move to the position specifed by _axes_, then will make a rapid traverse move to the predefined position in parameters 5181-5186."
[03:20:23] <dgarr> so i think: "G30 z zsafeheight" will first move z only, then it will rapid to tool change position
[03:33:02] <cradek> if you set TOOL_CHANGE_QUILL_UP in your ini, it will move Z all the way up when you do a tool change (M6)
[03:33:28] <cradek> you don't need to program any specific motion in your gcode then - just a safe entry move with the new tool
[03:34:03] <cradek> or, it's true, you can use G28/G30, or something like G0 G53 Z0
[03:34:39] <cradek> if you want to go all the way up, and then to a special position (like one corner) you can do that too by setting the appropriate things in the ini file
[03:37:39] <jfigie> I like the TOOL_CHANGE_QUILL_UP. What would make the program more portable? I like to make the tool change position near the work so the table dosen't have to move as much. I don't want to edit the ini file for each job.
[03:38:34] <cradek> another thing you can do is use TOOL_CHANGE_AT_G30 and then when you set up the job, put the machine where you want the tool change to happen and teach the position using G30.1
[03:46:31] <jfigie> The G30.1 G30 is what I was trying now. If I start with the tool in my tool change position then do G30.1 X Y and Z are stored in 5181. 5182 and 5183? The when I want to do a tool change G30 Z 5183?
[03:47:43] <cradek> no, set TOOL_CHANGE_AT_G30 in your ini file. then when you do the tool change (Tn M6) it will move to that location for you
[03:48:25] <jfigie> How does it know to move Z first?
[03:48:34] <cradek> in this case, it doesn't
[03:48:43] <cradek> the only Z-only move that it knows how to do is "all the way up"
[03:49:06] <jfigie> Yes but first?
[03:49:15] <cradek> let me find you the docs
[03:50:15] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//config_ini_config.html#sub:[EMCIO]-Section
[03:50:33] <cradek> unfortunately the docs don't say in what order these moves happen, if you want several of them
[03:59:37] <cradek> if Z=0 is the top of your work, perhaps you want the move G90 G30 Z0.5 - this will move Z 0.5 above the top of work, and then continue moving Z to the G30 position
[03:59:53] <cradek> if you then want to move X,Y to the G30 position as well, program another bare G30 on the next line
[04:14:12] <jfigie> cradek: The G30 seems to move all 3 axes as a linear move. But why can't I do G30 Z [#5183] since that is the position that the G30.1 stored? I dosen't seem to work. Is there a way to look at the current parameters?
[04:16:03] <Dave911_> Dave911_ is now known as Dave911
[04:16:16] <cradek> jfigie: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//gcode_main.html#sub:G28,-G30:-Return
[04:17:25] <cradek> if you specify Zxxxx ("specified by axes") in the doc-speak, you get a move to that Z value **in the current coordinate system** and then Z moves to the **absolute (unoffset) position** stored in #5183
[04:18:03] <cradek> so the simple answer to your question is "that's not how G30 works" and the difference is the two coordinate systems
[04:18:21] <cradek> but if you read again what I said earlier, I think it's what you want
[04:19:17] <cradek> (argh, the docs are unclear about this too)
[04:19:32] <jfigie> yes I will try that now - G90 G30 Z0....
[07:29:22] <MattyMatt> I found the receipt for my spindle, but I've voided the guarantee now
[07:39:08] <lilalinux_away> lilalinux_away is now known as lilalinux
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[10:52:49] <lilalinux_away> lilalinux_away is now known as lilalinux
[11:38:42] <piasdom> g'mornin all
[14:04:49] <skunkworks_> hmmm I need some coffee
[14:05:01] <Jymmm> refill mine too please
[14:05:20] <skunkworks_> :)
[14:08:18] <skunkworks_> had to make it - going to be a few minutes
[14:09:15] <skunkworks_> Jymmm: have you ever used http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DRBD
[14:09:15] <Jymmm> NOW I SAY NOW
[14:10:31] <Jymmm> I"ve heard ofa few related things like that, but never played with any of them.
[14:14:05] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: what were you think of using it for/on?
[14:14:26] <Valen> I've looked at using it in some depth
[14:25:18] <Jymmm> You think a SSR could be PWM to be a pseudo variable DC voltage control?
[14:25:28] <skunkworks_> I was just looking for cheap redudancy.
[14:25:39] <skunkworks_> re-dud-ancy?
[14:25:43] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: rsync
[14:26:14] <skunkworks_> I have not played with that.. On the pc side - robocopy is similar.
[14:27:15] <Jymmm> wait, what???? You've never used rsynce?!
[14:27:20] <Jymmm> -e
[14:27:50] <skunkworks_> remember I am new to linux.
[14:28:19] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: Dude the ALL TIME EVER BEST UTILITIES IS: ssh, rsync, screen and in that order
[14:30:56] <skunkworks_> :)
[14:31:11] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: Ok, what rsync will do is sync file between hosts. Once the initial is complete, all othe runs are only the difference between the two
[14:31:41] <Jymmm> If you change one file, only the difference is transfered
[14:31:46] <skunkworks_> neat.
[14:32:15] <skunkworks_> I think robocopy isn't that smart.. it still copies the whole file if it is newer.
[14:32:18] <skunkworks_> I think
[14:32:41] <Jymmm> does it work across ssh ?
[14:32:54] <skunkworks_> heh
[14:33:15] <Jymmm> no, seriously. rsync runs across ssh
[14:33:25] <Jymmm> all encrypted tansfers
[14:33:40] <skunkworks_> * skunkworks_ has not used ssh yet either... he runs and hides.
[14:34:11] <Jymmm> putty?
[14:34:48] <skunkworks_> my coworker uses putty
[14:35:59] <Jymmm> Well, learn it, use it, love it!
[14:36:14] <skunkworks_> soon
[14:39:41] <Jymmm> JT-Work: Hey, where's my jerky!
[14:40:14] <JT-Work> my other brother John just ate some
[14:40:49] <JT-Work> he just said is was good and passed the QC but more research is needed
[14:41:00] <Jymmm> bastard!
[14:41:56] <JT-Work> He is LHAF
[14:42:22] <Jymmm> Lazy Half Assed Fscker?
[14:42:41] <JT-Work> Laughing His A$$ Off
[14:42:56] <Jymmm> I like mine better =)
[14:44:50] <JT-Work> he said no mater what you call him he still has the jerky and he wins LOL
[14:46:51] <JT-Work> that is until his daughter finds out he had some and then he is without
[14:56:28] <JT-Work> * JT-Work wanders off to Bald Knob, AR to visit a customer
[14:57:52] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[15:56:47] <frallzor> http://pici.se/gal/oddname/Mill/ todays work =D
[15:56:55] <frallzor> first 5 pics
[15:57:10] <frallzor> last 5 even
[15:58:15] <archivist> er you need a larger garage
[15:58:22] <frallzor> no I need less crap :P
[15:58:33] <frallzor> there is room we just thought we cleared enough
[15:58:45] <frallzor> so the second round have to come a bit earlier :P
[15:59:41] <archivist> I dont see much space to walk around it :)
[15:59:53] <archivist> I know the problem well
[15:59:59] <frallzor> you can, but not as good as it will be
[16:00:07] <frallzor> when the last round of cleaning is done
[16:00:17] <frallzor> just cleared enough for it to come home
[16:01:04] <ries> Hey All, during ./configure if emc2 I get checking /usr/include/python2.5/Python.h usability... python is clearly installed (cat /usr/include/python2.5/Python.h shows me the file) why does emc2 think it's not usable?
[16:02:18] <ries> frallzor: great work!
[16:02:29] <ries> you are building fast...
[16:02:36] <frallzor> bit wankish atm when its not cleaned out enough :P
[16:02:43] <frallzor> but at least its home
[16:03:03] <cradek> ries: could you put the whole configure output on pastebin?
[16:03:05] <ries> mine is 45 minutes away from here :s
[16:03:18] <ries> cradek: I think so, let me see
[16:03:22] <frallzor> mine is allmost the same, since i will hesitate that long to go outside now
[16:03:52] <ries> I was planning to have it done by x-mass... but I failed, I couldn't get old of a good gauge plate yet
[16:04:13] <frallzor> cncbasher in the forum can fix if you want from uk
[16:05:59] <ries> * ries wonders if it's possible to pipe straight to pastebin :D
[16:07:32] <celeron55_> you can possibly do it with wget using --post-file
[16:07:33] <celeron55_> or something
[16:07:44] <celeron55_> haven't tried, though
[16:08:01] <ries> would be nice....
[16:08:43] <ries> cradek: http://pastebin.com/d6fd78779
[16:10:16] <cradek> is that the last line?
[16:11:45] <ries> yup...
[16:11:54] <ries> the error isn't show (I forgot how to pipe that)
[16:12:33] <ries> But it basicly states that the requires header Python.h missing
[16:12:39] <cradek> ./configure --flags >logfile 2>&1
[16:12:46] <cradek> could you also pastebin config.log?
[16:12:51] <ries> sure
[16:14:04] <celeron55_> http://www.knoppix.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28739
[16:14:37] <ries> celeron55_: :)
[16:17:23] <ries> cradek: http://pastebin.com/d16d5e89
[16:18:16] <ries> I think I see what's going on...
[16:26:01] <Dave911_> Dave911_ is now known as Dave911
[16:31:21] <lilalinux> lilalinux is now known as lilalinux_away
[16:31:31] <lilalinux_away> lilalinux_away is now known as lilalinux
[16:42:03] <ries> cradek: the problem was my fault, I fooled around with ubuntu's method if building a new kernel, but that went wrong... so I just used a vanially kernel and compiled 'the good old way' rather then the ubuntu way, by doing this 'something' went wrong and teh asm directory got lost
[16:42:28] <ries> The error I got about Python not usable I don't understand, but it was solved by putting that asm directory in place again
[16:56:52] <cradek> ries: sorry I got distracted. You can see in the config.log the Python.h error is really a broken kernel header problem:
[16:56:56] <cradek> /usr/include/linux/errno.h:4:23: error: asm/errno.h: No such file or directory
[16:57:24] <cradek> line 782 in your http://pastebin.com/d16d5e89
[16:57:40] <cradek> you are right that it has *something* to do with your kernel or header packages
[16:59:01] <ries> cradek: no problem... I am rusty on kernel complications and complications on Linux in general, last time I did it was a 2.4 kernel (my first one was a 2.0 kernel) I think it happened when I was trying to do teh ubuntu method of compilations, which I didn't quite follow.. I did a wrong delete action I guess
[17:54:44] <ries> rtai installed on a new kernel...running /usr/realtime/testsuite/kern/latency$ ./run works fine, but when using latency-test then teh computers hangs, any suggestion to check?
[18:28:03] <Dave911_> Dave911_ is now known as Dave911
[19:12:31] <skunkworks_> jepler: the belt driven zenbot has a full step resolution of 139.4 steps/inch.
[19:13:05] <skunkworks_> or about .007"
[19:22:21] <jepler> skunkworks_: Yeah, sounds about right. I got information to the effect of microstepping giving about .001" resolution (but presumably not accuracy)
[19:25:57] <jepler> * jepler wonders whether he should go add to all his old zenbot blog posts: the current zenbot is totally different and you shouldn't pay much attention to this
[19:27:01] <skunkworks_> heh
[19:27:59] <skunkworks_> I was wondering what he was doing for a drive system initally - thought he had some sort of right angle gear box... Until I looked at the manual. ;)
[19:28:45] <jepler> it's just toothed belts with a pulley on the stepper motor shaft, right?
[19:30:32] <jepler> as soon as I feel like doing it I have a couple of boards to mill
[19:30:42] <skunkworks_> yes]
[19:30:44] <jepler> hopefully the holiday weekend furnishes the time
[19:31:23] <skunkworks_> I am hoping time this weekend to work on a few of my projects also. time will tell.
[19:31:28] <jepler> two daughtercards for arduino: GPIB (software to be written) and 10-pin programming header so the arduino can program other AVRs
[19:31:44] <skunkworks_> neat
[19:35:05] <jepler> I'm tempted to try amforth http://amforth.sourceforge.net/ which sounds cool because the forth environment on the avr can actually compile new words (no PC-side development environment required) .. on the other hand, you're stuck programming in forth
[19:35:12] <jepler> and you have to replace the oh so convenient arduino bootloader to do it, too
[19:36:18] <archivist_emc> GPIB ? /me may/am interested
[19:36:33] <jepler> (no, that was not a note of sarcasm; it really is nice for a fast edit/compile/test cycle
[19:38:09] <jepler> archivist_emc: well, I have a scope with GPIB, but no PC GPIB interface
[19:38:31] <jepler> archivist_emc: GPIB hardware interface is pretty simple and there seems to be documentation
[19:39:01] <archivist_emc> I have loads of toys with interfaces but no PC card either
[19:39:18] <jepler> I'd be satisfied if I could capture a (HGPL, presuambly) plot from the GPIB interface and send it to the PC over USB serial
[19:39:34] <archivist_emc> I do have a Racal GPIB analyser somewhere for testing the protocol
[19:39:38] <jepler> that's the general idea
[19:41:32] <Jymmm> jepler: sounds like you'll ned to make a few of those pcb's - make it an even thosuand just to be safe
[19:42:21] <archivist_emc> the GPIB usb thingies on ebay cost too much for what they are
[19:43:11] <Jymmm> I wasn't kidding about the 1K.... ppl will buy a few of them at a time
[19:48:50] <jepler> as usual for my projects, the source code and board designs will probably end up on my blog
[19:49:16] <Jymmm> true, but many dont have a mill =)
[19:49:26] <archivist_emc> I want http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Systron-Donner-Microwave-Frequency-Counter-GPIB-26-5GHz_W0QQitemZ280430645561QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUK_BOI_Electrical_Test_Measurement_Equipment_ET?hash=item414af81139
[19:49:34] <jepler> but selling fabricated boards for $10 each and then enduring the users who assume I owe them endless support is not something that is worth it to me
[19:49:51] <archivist_emc> that matches the synthesizer
[19:50:19] <pjm__> hellow!
[19:50:24] <archivist_emc> allo
[19:50:50] <Jymmm> jepler: toss up a forum and state "Any support is user based, see forum"
[19:51:30] <pjm__> archivist_emc nice fcounter, i have a similar here, anritsu, only goes up to 23GHz though
[19:52:02] <archivist_emc> I have an EIP to 18ghz but the synth goes to 26
[19:52:09] <Jymmm> alex_joni: "..it works OK"
[19:52:11] <pjm__> nice ;-)
[19:52:28] <Jymmm> err archivist_emc that is
[19:52:36] <Jymmm> archivist_emc: a EIP ???
[19:52:43] <archivist_emc> counter
[19:53:09] <Jymmm> archivist_emc: why do you need => 18GHz?
[19:53:18] <archivist_emc> play!
[19:53:24] <Jymmm> archivist_emc: with?
[19:53:50] <archivist_emc> we do have a band up there somewhere
[19:54:16] <Jymmm> archivist_emc: It's use is restricted though
[19:54:49] <archivist_emc> testing the gear is most the fun though
[19:55:09] <Jymmm> archivist_emc: commercial or amateur ?
[19:55:56] <archivist_emc> my playing has generally been amateur but im game to be paid :)
[19:57:10] <Jymmm> But > 10.5 GHz is restricted, even for testing.
[19:57:17] <jepler> Jymmm: more than likely any eventual release will be GPL software and dual GPL/CC-BY-SA board design. If it really is a good business idea to sell the boards (and you could be right about that) you're welcome to the opportunity.
[19:57:31] <jepler> but don't count this chicken; the egg isn't even laid yet
[19:58:56] <Jymmm> jepler: I have just been seeing a alot of nice kits lately. I'm really surprised some PCB house hasn't doesnt it as a sister company.
[19:59:29] <archivist_emc> I wonder what this stuff is like http://www.prologix.biz/
[20:00:17] <jepler> Jymmm: sparkfun.com's boardmaking side lets individuals put their board designs up for sale, but it doesn't (A) help them get a cart with the required compoenents or (B) give a cut to the board designer
[20:01:32] <Jymmm> jepler: those bastards! Should be like cafepress.com
[20:03:42] <Jymmm> archivist_emc: This is the digital output, someone else has made a analog one... http://www.cliftonlaboratories.com/si570_kit_from_k5bcq.htm#Frequency_Spectrum
[20:05:09] <Jymmm> Analog here and rs-232 iface too http://www.pongrance.com/dds.html
[20:06:09] <Jymmm> Desc of 1st one http://www.qsl.net/k5bcq/Kits/Kits.html
[20:09:31] <archivist_emc> jymm this is what I have 100 meg thought to 26ghz http://www.collection.archivist.info/showresult.php?srcdata=title&srcprog=searchv10.php&searchv4page=1&errlev=0&searchstr=systron&srcdata=title&srcprog=searchv10.php&Type=EQ&Accn_no=71&dir=2009_01_01_a&file=P3072786_1625.jpg&subject=15545
[20:11:09] <Jymmm> archivist_emc: Cool, but you really haven't said what you're paying with =)
[20:11:14] <Jymmm> playing
[20:12:14] <archivist_emc> Ive used it for testing counters and filters and used it for stability testing of a crystal standard I have
[20:12:39] <archivist_emc> and missed another on ebay this weekend
[20:13:35] <Jymmm> archivist_emc: Ah, so mostly TE.
[20:18:14] <Jymmm> http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977306204
[20:23:21] <Jymmm> Other than voltage/amerage ratings, are all triacs basically the same?
[20:24:03] <Jymmm> I can't see how this pkg can really handle 16A http://www.taydaelectronics.com/servlet/the-39/BTA16-dsh-600B-BTA16-dsh-600-Triac-SGS-dsh-THOMSON/Detail
[20:25:15] <frallzor> well you can bet it needs good cooling =)
[20:26:50] <archivist_emc> they are at saturation when on so wont get that hot
[20:27:04] <Jymmm> archivist_emc: and at 50% ?
[20:27:26] <archivist_emc> its a swiche device...on or off
[20:27:38] <Jymmm> like pwm ?
[20:27:43] <archivist_emc> yes
[20:28:35] <Jymmm> thanks
[20:28:55] <Jymmm> archivist_emc: bt that's unique to triacs alone?
[20:29:02] <Jymmm> but
[20:29:05] <SWPadnos> except that triacs don't shut off until there's no current going through them
[20:29:19] <SWPadnos> so PWM isn't all that useful for those, and they can't be used to switch DC loads
[20:29:30] <SWPadnos> unless you only want to turn the load on
[20:29:54] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Not on/off but control 1-100%
[20:30:03] <archivist_emc> they turn on for a cycle or part of usually
[20:30:28] <Jymmm> Wait, are they a AC or DC device?
[20:30:28] <SWPadnos> if you're looking at controlling a DC load, then a TRIAC is not useful, unless you have a separate means of shutting off the load
[20:30:30] <skunkworks_> is the junction voltage of a triac .6? that would only be 9.6w
[20:30:31] <archivist_emc> or miss cycles
[20:30:45] <SWPadnos> triacs are DC control, but they can only be usefully used to switch AC loads
[20:30:45] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: I have a seperate power switch
[20:31:24] <SWPadnos> here's the rule for a TRIAC: it will turn on when the control input is on. It will stay on if either the control input is on, or there is current flowing through its output
[20:31:51] <Jymmm> that works
[20:31:54] <Jymmm> bbiab
[20:40:33] <Jymmm> Ok, added extra rubberband to door
[20:40:52] <Jymmm> it's extra windy today
[20:50:30] <frallzor> anyone wanna take a wild guess why my VFD triggers my RCD but not the persons that sold me it? =)
[20:50:51] <frallzor> same speces on the RCD
[20:51:09] <frallzor> *specs
[20:55:15] <frallzor> cant really say what we have much that shoooould leak current
[20:58:16] <DaViruz> because the person who sold it took you for a complete fool
[21:01:34] <frallzor> are you saying that he lied? :P
[21:02:24] <frallzor> well the facts are that it shouldnt work afaik with a normal RCD =)
[21:02:31] <frallzor> so its a bit odd :P
[21:04:14] <DaViruz> do you have a three phase rcd?
[21:04:41] <frallzor> if you mean a 300mA Type B no
[21:04:47] <frallzor> 30mA Type A
[21:04:52] <DaViruz> no i mean a three phase rcd
[21:05:03] <DaViruz> as opposed to a single phase rcd
[21:05:16] <frallzor> never heard of =)
[21:05:27] <frallzor> the documentation doesnt mention that either
[21:05:47] <DaViruz> what model is it?
[21:05:53] <frallzor> our RCD does the whole net
[21:06:02] <frallzor> one to three
[21:06:06] <DaViruz> ok, should be 3ph then
[21:06:23] <frallzor> since oven and stuff works it should be
[21:07:36] <frallzor> but I read in a nice pdf about delay when powering on
[21:07:50] <frallzor> it shouldnt be instant when going via RCD
[21:07:58] <frallzor> at least 40ms or something
[21:08:34] <frallzor> http://hvacity.danfoss.com/pdf_files/rcd.pdf page 3 left hand column
[21:11:53] <DaViruz> seems to have to do with the three phases not being conected exactly simoultaneously
[21:12:55] <frallzor> know of a simple solution to that?
[21:13:30] <DaViruz> the pdf seems to suggest using a switch to connect the vfd that is very fast and accurate
[21:13:34] <DaViruz> perhaps even a contactor
[21:14:05] <frallzor> yeah atm im just plugging it "to the wall" :P
[21:15:05] <DaViruz> are you using a cee plug and socket?
[21:15:16] <DaViruz> standard 5 pole round red connector
[21:17:36] <andypugh> Well, my 7i43 (or whatever the number is) is a curiously partial success. I have one axis working out of 4. As the amps are identical and the wiring is too, I am a bit stumped. I guess I will need to get a scope on the output pins.
[21:17:55] <cradek> yay, an axis working!
[21:18:08] <andypugh> But I used to have 4 :-)
[21:18:11] <cradek> your glass is 1/4 full!
[21:19:33] <andypugh> There is a ribbon cable that I need to buzz-out very pedantically, I will try inverting the signals, and then it is time for oscilloscopes, entrails and incantations.
[21:39:44] <Bridgeport_II> On Emc2 wiki there is a path to g code generators. In it there is a program to generate counterbore's but I am not able to get it to work when Kim and I installed it. can any one help point us in the right direction?
[21:42:02] <cradek> is there an error?
[21:43:38] <Bridgeport_II> Yes but I am not at the shop at the moment. the program comes up with a python error and wont load the counterbore program
[21:44:31] <cradek> pretty hard to guess without knowing what the error says...
[21:45:05] <Bridgeport_II> i thought you guys read minds
[21:45:14] <cradek> not on tuesdays, sorry
[21:46:17] <Bridgeport_II> I will have to start it up tomorrow and let you know what the error is
[21:46:29] <cradek> ok, cool
[21:52:48] <Bridgeport_II> kim is up at the shop and is going to let us know what the error is shortly
[21:55:04] <cradek> is Kim like Rex from Secret life of machines?
[21:55:33] <andypugh> I used to vaguely know Rex :-)
[21:55:40] <cradek> or what was the guy's name who always had to wrestle with the animals on Wild Kingdom?
[21:57:12] <SWPadnos> Jim
[21:57:29] <SWPadnos> "My assistant Jim will wrestle the lion to the ground"
[21:57:37] <SWPadnos> "Thanks Marlon"
[21:58:03] <cradek> haha yep
[21:58:19] <cradek> I'd rather be Rex but only barely
[21:58:36] <SWPadnos> I've never seen "The secret life of machines"
[21:58:48] <cradek> "Now Rex is going to drive this car that we've rigged up to flip over and roll. Ready Rex?"
[21:58:56] <cradek> SWPadnos: oh, you must
[21:59:28] <cradek> (bonus: the flipping device was some kind of explosive thing if I remember right)
[21:59:33] <SWPadnos> heh
[21:59:45] <SWPadnos> sounds like mythbusters with additional danger
[22:00:16] <cradek> "Then they had safety elevators. Now Rex will stand up on this elevator we made, and I'll cut the cable! You'll see it latches in place instantly."
[22:00:27] <Bridgeport_II> sounds like the road runner and the acme explosive company
[22:00:32] <pjm__> SWPadnos u can see most of 'secret life of machines' on youtube, it was a classic series
[22:00:36] <andypugh> Search Youtube. The FAX machine one is very good
[22:00:50] <pjm__> andypugh yes the fax machine is my favorite
[22:00:55] <cradek> tim (?) has a website now, and he has the whole series available on purpose
[22:01:07] <cradek> andypugh: the giant sewing machine was neat too
[22:01:21] <pjm__> http://www.timhunkin.com/
[22:01:24] <cradek> but yeah, the semaphore fax demo!
[22:01:35] <pjm__> he recently did a new machine 'whack a banker'
[22:06:35] <BridgeportIIa> Hi, this is Kim at the Bridgeport II (BP2 unit "a" that is, unit "b" is still in pieces, LOL) Anyway, screenshot of error is now at http://imagebin.ca/view/S9Q9P4Sx.html
[22:08:24] <cradek> hm, bizarre, that looks like fine syntax to me
[22:08:35] <cradek> (just guessing:) did you fill in the spindle rpm?
[22:09:14] <BridgeportIIa> Don't know, where do I do that?
[22:09:37] <cradek> oh don't you get a screen with things to fill out when you start the program?
[22:09:49] <cradek> maybe I don't understand what you did to get here
[22:09:59] <BridgeportIIa> I may have, haven't seen it in a long time.
[22:10:30] <BridgeportIIa> I just picked counterbore.py from the nc_files directory.
[22:11:59] <cradek> I get a different error: AttributeError: Application instance has no attribute 'NumberOfSpirals'
[22:12:54] <BridgeportIIa> Is there something I should do to somehow reset or re-initialize?
[22:13:10] <Bridgeport_II> the screen to enter data never comes up just the error message
[22:13:33] <cradek> oh ok, that's a different problem than what I see. I get the screen, fill it out, and then get this other error
[22:13:46] <cradek> when I look at the code, it looks like the relevant part is commented out
[22:15:07] <BridgeportIIa> I opened counterbore.py in gedit just now, but I don't know much about python. Wait, is this one of those python versioning things?
[22:15:31] <BridgeportIIa> 3.4 vs. 3.5 or whatever it is?
[22:16:12] <cradek> I guess I don't know
[22:16:17] <BridgeportIIa> shall I "python --version" or something?
[22:16:32] <cradek> % python -V
[22:16:32] <cradek> Python 2.4.3
[22:16:58] <cradek> you oughta ask jthornton if he's got a newer version - I'm pretty sure the one on the wiki today doesn't work
[22:17:08] <BridgeportIIa> Python 2.5.2
[22:17:44] <BridgeportIIa> Can I revert to 2.4 using Synaptic?
[22:17:58] <archivist_emc> better to fix the script
[22:18:16] <cradek> yeah, don't do that kind of destruction...
[22:18:34] <cradek> it's got other problems anyway - I bet it's a simple fix to update it (if in fact the thing you're seeing is a python version problem)
[22:19:55] <BridgeportIIa> OK. Is that something I can fix now myself, or should I wait to chat with jthornton?
[22:20:16] <cradek> only you can know that :-)
[22:21:28] <Jymmm> use The Source, Luke!
[22:21:47] <BridgeportIIa> Well, I mean if jthornton has the only copy of what I need then I must wait, but if you can tell me where to go to get what I need then maybe I can fix it now with your help?
[22:21:55] <Bridgeport_II> I vote we talk to jthorton
[22:22:42] <archivist_emc> it runs on my box and I have 2.5.2
[22:23:03] <archivist_emc> not running it from emc though
[22:23:26] <cradek> the version from the wiki just now?
[22:23:32] <archivist_emc> yup
[22:23:41] <cradek> huh, wild
[22:23:53] <BridgeportIIa> OK, well, Bridgeport_II wins with 51% of the vote, LOL (it's his machine). So I guess we'll wait to hear from jthornton.
[22:24:13] <cradek> you ever coming back to NE, Kim?
[22:24:25] <archivist_emc> worksforme :)
[22:24:46] <cradek> is "nfm" the not version of "wfm"?
[22:25:45] <BridgeportIIa> Yes, before the end of the year, at least briefly. After that don't know. Still looking for work here, there, everywhere.
[22:26:23] <cradek> arg. hope you find what you want soon.
[22:26:47] <BridgeportIIa> Yeah, thanks. John and I both.
[22:27:36] <skunkworks_> kim - you have mad skills for not finding work. Scary.
[22:28:18] <skunkworks_> that sounded funny.
[22:28:22] <Jymmm> ?
[22:28:33] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: I'm still tryig to figure out what you said
[22:28:39] <skunkworks_> so am I
[22:28:44] <Jymmm> lol
[22:28:52] <Bridgeport_II> Kim try turning off EMC and then run counterbore
[22:29:05] <skunkworks_> for how smart kim is - and not finding work.. Scary.
[22:29:09] <skunkworks_> better...
[22:29:12] <BridgeportIIa> Nobody wants to make anything anymore. Everyone wants to have it made in China and brought over in big container ships. So should I learn Mandarin or Schezwan?
[22:29:18] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: Ah
[22:29:34] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: And I didn't even see him comment on anything
[22:29:41] <archivist_emc> mah screenshot lection.archivist.info/bore.png
[22:29:53] <archivist_emc> http://www.collection.archivist.info/bore.png
[22:30:18] <archivist_emc> * archivist_emc needs a job in UK
[22:30:37] <cradek> archivist_emc: that's what I get too - notice the code is cut off and there's an error in your terminal
[22:30:38] <Jymmm> archivist_emc: Hey, you don't have enough shells opened, try 20 more at least
[22:30:38] <skunkworks_> Jymmm: met him at the cnc workshop.
[22:30:44] <Jymmm> skunkworks_: ah
[22:32:09] <archivist_emc> cradek, I was talking in terms of not crashing
[22:32:16] <BridgeportIIa> counterbore.py gives command not found. I said python and got >>> but now I don't know what to do. (I hope ^c or Q or esc exits, LOL)
[22:32:47] <archivist_emc> I ran it by python counterbore.py
[22:34:22] <BridgeportIIa> $ python counterbore.py gave me File "counterbore.py", line 422 if len(self.SpindleRPMVar.get()) > 0: SyntaxError: invalid syntax
[22:35:09] <BridgeportIIa> the ^ pointer is pointing at the colon after the last zero.
[22:35:34] <archivist_emc> re copy it from the wiki, have you added a syntax error accidently
[22:36:19] <BridgeportIIa> Don't know, but recopying is a good idea, will do...
[22:36:56] <BridgeportIIa> We did not edit it at all (should we have?) don't know what to do with it.
[22:37:59] <skunkworks_> what are you pasting it into? I have had good luck using gedit..
[22:40:35] <skunkworks_> heh - those should be files though..
[22:42:15] <BridgeportIIa> OK, I guess this rates a "Doh!" Thanks for the recopy suggestion, it seems to be working fine now. (Although I've never seen it before, LOL)
[22:42:42] <BridgeportIIa> We never pasted any of them into anything, just did a "save link as..."
[22:42:56] <BridgeportIIa> and saved them to the nc_files directory.
[22:43:08] <archivist_emc> dont trust its output though as we see an error when running it
[22:44:07] <BridgeportIIa> Oh, OK, thanks for the tip, what kind of error(s) are you seeing, and is it (are they) repeatable?
[22:44:49] <archivist_emc> this error AttributeError: Application instance has no attribute 'NumberOfSpirals' and short gcode
[22:45:27] <archivist_emc> seems to be not calculating spiral count correctly
[22:45:51] <Dave911> As I recall John T mentioned something about spirals needing to be fixed on the wiki page re that program
[22:46:40] <BridgeportIIa> What version of python are you running? (2.5.2 here) Shall I enter your values to see what mine does on the same data?
[22:47:13] <archivist_emc> 2.5.2 here and yes he mentions At this time there is a bug if you have a path that does not require a spiral... working on it
[22:47:15] <Dave911> From wiki page ...
[22:47:17] <Dave911> >> Bugs
[22:47:19] <Dave911> * At this time there is a bug if you have a path that does not require a spiral... working on it
[22:48:11] <archivist_emc> I added more variation and still get the error
[22:48:37] <BridgeportIIa> * BridgeportIIa must close in about 10 minutes in order to arrive on time for a delicious meal of roast beast
[22:49:02] <BridgeportIIa> I have time to try entering your values, what capscrew, etc did you pick?
[22:49:28] <Bridgeport_II> dont be late no food left
[22:49:42] <BridgeportIIa> Thanks for the warning, LOL
[22:51:11] <archivist_emc> * archivist_emc slaps jt for the code not matching the picture http://www.collection.archivist.info/bore2.png
[22:52:42] <archivist_emc> his pic on the wiki has an extra box to fill
[22:55:29] <BridgeportIIa> I just discovered that when I went to fill in the posted values, the two images are with and without a "Spiral De(covered up)" box.
[22:56:07] <archivist_emc> I was trying to copy the wiki values to test :)
[22:56:47] <BridgeportIIa> Also, is stepover % 0-1.00 or 0-100?
[22:57:03] <archivist_emc> dunno
[22:58:12] <BridgeportIIa> OK, John and I will play with it later, it's at least starting now. I don't know what the error was. Bad download??
[22:58:36] <archivist_emc> probably
[22:59:00] <BridgeportIIa> * BridgeportIIa can smell the roast beast cooking all the way across town
[22:59:51] <BridgeportIIa> Thanks very much for your help gents, I've got to go now. John can stay and chat awhile though, I'll bet.
[23:03:37] <KimK> KimK is now known as KimK_afk
[23:06:42] <tarzan> weird roast beast...
[23:57:28] <frallzor> ries are you here? =)
[23:58:11] <ries> frallzor: YEs sir, I am
[23:58:36] <ries> If I get disconnected, wout a couple of mins so I can start my generaotr... I will nto have elctrocity this evening (checking what time....)
[23:59:00] <frallzor> how did you mount the v-groove bearings?
[23:59:39] <frallzor> did you make the bearing support bases with a lathe?