#emc | Logs for 2009-09-06

[02:01:09] <MarkusBec> MarkusBec is now known as MarkusBec_away
[03:09:12] <cradek> is this a permanent magnet motor? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190108618319
[03:15:37] <pcw_home> Ask them to short the big terminals with a screwdriver and see if its harder to turn :-)
[03:15:50] <cradek> good idea
[03:16:06] <cradek> actually I have the same motor, but something is wrong with it, trying to guess what
[03:16:17] <cradek> someone suggested a loose magnet
[03:16:25] <cradek> I, uh, can't tell if it has magnets
[03:18:25] <cradek> (I think it must)
[03:18:52] <pcw_home> DC motor?
[03:18:57] <cradek> yes 4 brushes
[03:19:32] <cradek> also 4 pins on the connector - I should open the shell and see how many of them go somewhere
[03:21:19] <pcw_home> Don't wound field motors have to be really really old?
[03:22:36] <cradek> well it's dated 1985
[03:23:01] <pcw_home> I guess on a spindle a wound field would give you a wider speed range
[03:23:10] <cradek> it's an axis servo
[03:25:03] <Skullworks> hey Peter, do I need a 7i37 to work with a 7i43 or will a 7i42 do the job - and is there any sort of sample wiring diagrams out here for hooking up the limits and outputs to Gecko's?
[03:25:50] <pcw_home> For driving stepper a 7I42TA or 7I47 is what you want
[03:26:01] <cradek> aha, http://www.yaskawa.com/site/DMServo.nsf/(DocID)/TKUR-5ELHNF/$File/KAE-C240-0H.pdf
[03:26:09] <cradek> the magnets are on the inside!?
[03:26:10] <pcw_home> 7I37 is too slow
[03:30:36] <Skullworks> good to know, now all I need is a simple example of how to wire a home/limit switch, and how to use an output to switch an SSR.
[03:33:12] <pcw_home> Pinout depends on the configuration. If you use 24v limits you need some level translation and/or isolation
[03:33:44] <Skullworks> I ran the gecko 251's direct from the para port for testing, but with that 1/10 stepping I knew we needed a 7i43 which is all ready mounted in the cabinet.
[03:34:32] <Skullworks> I was going to use either 5 or 12v from an isolated powersupply I have.
[03:35:06] <Skullworks> cherry roller switchs not NPN prox
[03:35:52] <pcw_home> Wow ironless (voicecoil) low inertia motor!
[03:37:00] <pcw_home> 7I42TA is ok for 5V
[03:37:44] <pcw_home> Ironless motors are tricky to drive as they have very low inductance
[03:38:14] <cradek> the servo drives have reactors (?) added
[03:40:17] <pcw_home> Not surprised , otherwise you need really high PWM rate (we did some work with one, needed 100 KHz PWM)
[03:47:21] <pcw_home> Skullworks: if you are using the 7I42TA with limit switches, its better to power the switches from the PCs 5V
[03:50:55] <Skullworks> OK - can do that
[03:51:54] <pcw_home> Problem is that you can end up reverse powering the FPGA when PC it off and inputs are supplied
[03:52:06] <ds3> ARRRRGGGGG BACKLASH
[03:52:35] <Skullworks> 5v thru normal closed to the 7i42
[03:54:05] <pcw_home> Its a little awkard with the 7I42 because you would need a pulldown in that arrangemant
[03:54:18] <pcw_home> (ment)
[03:55:22] <Skullworks> we all ready had an issue with the simple BOB that turned on the SSR for the spindle and the SSR which feeds the Stepper power supply during the PC boot - so now the PC must be up before anything else sees power.
[03:56:38] <pcw_home> Or use a chargepump for the spindle...
[03:56:42] <ds3> not toasted@work?
[04:00:06] <Skullworks> I had this BOB as a leftover from a prior project - and had a full wiring diagram on how to set it up. I bought the &i43 cause I knew the PC would never be able to generated a smooth pulse stream up where I would need it - Gecko's are "pulse intensive" with there fixed 1/10 step requirement.
[04:00:19] <cradek> the mesa watchdog turns off all the outputs - this makes my machines drop into estop so everything gets turned off
[04:00:51] <cradek> oh sorry, I see now you're talking about a dumb breakout board
[04:02:00] <Skullworks> used a junk BOB for testing until I could figure out how to properly ( and safely) hook up the Mesa 7i43.
[04:03:11] <Skullworks> I'm still wrapping my head around that.
[04:03:51] <cradek> you'll like it - it won't do random stuff as the pc boots
[04:04:30] <pcw_home> Think of the 7I43 as a printer port, its about in the same league fragility wise
[04:04:50] <Skullworks> I used to do assembly work - give me a schematic and I'm good to go - but I'm pretty lost without one.
[04:05:02] <pcw_home> If you connect 12V to it, the FPGA _will_ die
[04:05:58] <Skullworks> yes - all ready modifed a molex for the 5 G G 5
[04:07:10] <pcw_home> (thats fixed on newer 7I43s) Hate to admit it but we used that pinout before 3.3V floppies were in PCs
[04:07:52] <pcw_home> I mean 3.5" , my brain is going...
[04:08:34] <Skullworks> It's ok I'm paranoid - I read the whole manual before I break the seal on the ESD bag.
[04:08:50] <cradek> wow
[04:10:18] <pcw_home> I alway just plug things together and complain if it doesn't work first time :-)
[04:10:24] <Skullworks> And Mesa Documentation is good - for what it does (multi purpose I/O interface)
[04:10:32] <cradek> that power connector is an attractive nuisance
[04:11:33] <Skullworks> We have a specific application here, I know I'm not breaking new ground, it just that I have not seen and detailed write ups.
[04:12:07] <cradek> that's probably because writing that kind of thing is boring
[04:12:12] <pcw_home> Its not really the same connector as the 3.5" floppy but the PC connector will fit ;-(
[04:12:13] <pcw_home> New cards use 2 pin 3.5 MM terminal
[04:12:45] <cradek> there are sample configs that load and run aren't there?
[04:13:02] <Skullworks> did they ever drop the parallel only version?
[04:13:45] <Skullworks> yeah on the hal / EMC side - its the physical wiring I need to work out.
[04:13:58] <cradek> ah I see
[04:14:05] <pcw_home> We usually have only the USB+Parallel so you normally will get that if you order parallel only
[04:15:11] <Skullworks> I'll have to dig into the driver notes to locate which physical pin is assign which function.
[04:15:40] <cradek> I think when you load the driver it spews that information into dmesg
[04:15:53] <cradek> ... because it varies according to the load-time parameters
[04:16:07] <Skullworks> I put it off until the retro fit was complete - my bad
[04:16:48] <cradek> it's hard to know the right order to do stuff when there are so many things to do
[04:17:02] <Skullworks> Also I just went and bought a fully working CNC mill, so I been broke and distracted.
[04:18:41] <pcw_home> If you use something like the 7I42TA (that just has protection networks on the pins but does not care about direction)
[04:18:42] <pcw_home> you can used any pinout, but for something like the 7I47 you need to use a matching FPGA configuration
[04:19:52] <Skullworks> I was looking for dead iron to retro fit then found a killer deal I could not pass up. - then I found another killer deal on some dead iron - I may buy that next month.
[04:20:08] <pcw_home> Also its pretty trivial to create a new config with a new pinout
[04:20:15] <Skullworks> I'm looking at the 7i42 if that will work
[04:22:10] <Skullworks> I have the step/dir sig gnd for 3 axis, 6 limits, and 2 SSR's - for now - will be adding a spindle encoder down the line once my CNC mill is up and I can make the required mods.
[04:24:18] <pcw_home> As long as you stay all 5V the 7I42TA should be fine
[04:24:20] <pcw_home> If the Geckos need 5V drive you will need to use
[04:24:21] <pcw_home> the open-drain option
[04:24:23] <pcw_home> A custom pinout could put 3 or 4 stepgens, and 3 or 4 encoders on one connector
[04:24:24] <pcw_home> (with unused stepgens or encoders usable as GPIO)
[04:24:43] <Skullworks> G251's good for 3.3v
[04:25:31] <Skullworks> and safe at 5v
[04:27:28] <Skullworks> My friend will want to add a jog pendant later - but I told him we just add an LPT card for that.
[04:27:37] <pcw_home> If you use 7I42TA you would be limited to TTL encoders...
[04:29:08] <pcw_home> You could always connect the pendent to the other 7I43 connector
[04:30:39] <pcw_home> (as it looks like all your IO would fit in the 24 I/O on one 7I43 connector)
[04:30:45] <Skullworks> was only planning on an encoder for the lathe spindle for threading (this machine is a Shoptask so there will be mill and lathe machine profiles.)
[04:33:03] <Skullworks> would be nice if I could add encoders for a persistent DRO that would not be directly referenced in EMC auto mode.
[05:52:26] <toastatwork> toastatwork is now known as toastydth
[07:45:45] <toastphone> irc for cellphones just keeps improving
[07:45:58] <toastphone> i am not sure this is a good thing
[08:54:47] <ZeroFlex> lolz
[08:55:21] <micges> ZeroFlex: hi, how is it going
[08:55:23] <micges> ?
[09:10:48] <ZeroFlex> cant find anything yet on the mill itselfe, no manuals online it seems
[09:12:59] <ZeroFlex> i found some nice Exe's for heidenhain's glas scale's, to convert the sinus into ttl square wave signals
[09:19:10] <alex_joni> ZeroFlex: you might want to check out www.cncecke.de
[09:19:28] <alex_joni> I think I remember some forum member talking about sin/ttl converters for heidenhein
[09:20:35] <micges> hi alex_joni
[09:21:02] <ZeroFlex> hmm thx
[09:24:35] <alex_joni> hi micges
[09:31:58] <ZeroFlex> hmmm
[09:32:13] <ZeroFlex> i think i need the milling machine here first :)
[09:33:09] <ZeroFlex> the exe (converter of sin/ttl) arent to expensieve, i'm only hoping i can use the servo('s) in the mill to
[09:33:23] <ZeroFlex> is anyone here familier with "usbcnc" ?
[09:34:23] <alex_joni> nope
[09:35:38] <ZeroFlex> http://www.usbcnc.com/
[09:36:27] <ZeroFlex> i was looking the last few years at that system
[09:41:04] <alex_joni> 200 EUR for that seems a bit much
[09:41:10] <alex_joni> you can get a mesa for that money
[09:41:44] <ZeroFlex> yha :) i didnt find out about emc untill last week
[09:42:31] <ZeroFlex> it is, (i have read arround a bit the last few day) a much more dynamic system
[09:43:49] <Skullworks> USBCNC WAS BASED ON THE EARLY emc1 CODE
[09:43:59] <Skullworks> oops caps lock
[09:44:43] <ZeroFlex> owhz that i didnt know
[09:45:33] <ZeroFlex> i'm new to all of this :) i only worked a bit with a conventional mill :)
[09:45:59] <ZeroFlex> so software milling is hokus spokus to me
[09:46:55] <ZeroFlex> but i think (hope so to) that i'm a fast learner
[09:48:27] <Skullworks> yup you lean fast when doing it right makes $$$ and doing it wrong costs $$$$$$$
[09:48:41] <ZeroFlex> haha
[09:48:51] <Skullworks> learn...
[09:48:58] <ZeroFlex> :)
[09:49:40] <ZeroFlex> a friend of my fathers is a cnc service enginear, retrofiter/rebuilder of the machines
[09:50:05] <ZeroFlex> i hope when he gets back from vacation he has some good insights about the maho mill i wanne buy
[09:57:53] <ZeroFlex> but i'm going to put my last welds to my frame, misa is afk
[09:58:00] <ZeroFlex> ZeroFlex is now known as ZeroFlex_afk
[10:26:01] <EbiDK> EbiDK is now known as EbiDK|AWAY
[10:53:16] <ZeroFlex_afk> ZeroFlex_afk is now known as ZeroFlex
[11:27:51] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[16:03:27] <Jymm> yo!
[16:10:45] <ZeroFlex> who
[16:21:03] <MarkusBec> MarkusBec is now known as MarkusBec_away
[16:33:49] <ZeroFlex> are here some people from the netherlands ?
[17:11:35] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[18:47:51] <maximilian_h> Hello Everybody
[18:48:27] <maximilian_h> could somebody please put a 2.3.3 tarball on the www.linuxcnc.org front page ?
[18:48:29] <micges> hi
[18:48:35] <maximilian_h> There is still a 2.3.2 release
[18:48:51] <maximilian_h> or is this wanted ?
[18:48:58] <maximilian_h> Hi micges
[18:49:36] <maximilian_h> I saw that you wrote a velocity module for + and - directions
[18:49:47] <maximilian_h> you are not by chance a fellow diemaker ?
[18:50:06] <micges> yes I am :)
[18:50:15] <maximilian_h> funny
[18:50:29] <maximilian_h> what laser machine are you operating ?
[18:52:07] <micges> after few bad we bought, we build one
[18:52:17] <maximilian_h> hehe, good
[18:52:23] <micges> source is Coherent
[18:52:41] <maximilian_h> we have an old Elcede LCS220 with a FEHA source
[18:53:29] <micges> maximilian_h: on linuxcnc.org it is surely overlooking
[18:53:49] <maximilian_h> what do you mean by overlooking ?
[18:53:49] <micges> nice
[18:54:27] <micges> after release we must update info on many sites, we must miss that one
[18:54:57] <micges> Elcede is very good material for retroffit
[18:55:29] <maximilian_h> That is because the first engineer was a shipbuilder ;)
[18:55:55] <micges> really? cool ;)
[18:56:15] <maximilian_h> yes, no joking!
[18:57:03] <micges> we done 3 succesfull retroffits of >25 years controction, without any machanical problems
[18:57:14] <micges> *constructions
[18:57:56] <maximilian_h> Yes, I have just finished a MCS107, NCP220 and an NCP150 and I am currently doing our LCS220
[18:58:03] <maximilian_h> lots of old iron
[18:58:12] <maximilian_h> bu the mechanics is rock solid
[18:58:18] <_Poincare> _Poincare is now known as Poincare
[18:58:37] <maximilian_h> it's the old CNC controller that made problems
[18:59:10] <micges> yeah..
[18:59:41] <ZeroFlex> what are mcs107 enz (if i may ask)
[18:59:51] <ZeroFlex> good evening all together
[19:00:24] <maximilian_h> MCS107 is a counter cutter for diemakers in the packing business
[19:00:29] <micges> badly there is no dedicated solution to velocity correction in EMC2 for lasers, so I've wrote one
[19:01:30] <ZeroFlex> owh automated industrie
[19:01:58] <maximilian_h> I can imagine with a Coherent source, we used to have an old Ferranti laser, the mode was pure evil :)
[19:02:43] <maximilian_h> can we continue chatting tomorrow ? I got to run
[19:03:26] <micges> maximilian_h: sure
[19:03:46] <micges> where are you from?
[19:04:24] <maximilian_h> Germany, Kirchheim. I might know where that is if you are a diemaker ;)
[19:05:18] <micges> maybe, I'm from Poland
[19:07:25] <micges> we cooperating with Germany, not sure if with your company too ;)
[19:09:19] <maximilian_h> Not that I know of. We'll continue tomorrow.
[19:09:24] <maximilian_h> Bye till then
[19:10:00] <ZeroFlex> not much chatters in here, or am i mistaken ?
[19:12:20] <micges> few
[19:14:34] <alex_joni> ZeroFlex: depends
[19:15:25] <ZeroFlex> the subject :)
[19:18:55] <alex_joni> micges: fixed the 2.3.3 not on linuxcnc.org
[19:19:21] <micges> alex_joni: cool, thanks
[19:19:45] <alex_joni> I do that usually, seem I forgot about it :/
[19:26:31] <ZeroFlex> do u have milling machines or lathe's ?
[20:12:59] <motioncontrol> good evening. i want create a configutation for servo axis on two axis in gantry mode for y axis.i move the y axis and move y slave axis.i see the component encoder_radio.for control the slave axis i thing connect the encoder-radio.0.error => pid.1.feedback.and pid.1.command = pid.0.command(naster position command=slave pos. command). is ok or have the error?
[20:15:04] <motioncontrol> or exist another metode for sincronize two axis?
[20:30:06] <micges> good night all
[20:31:03] <motioncontrol> micges good night
[20:35:37] <ZeroFlex> whehe
[20:35:38] <ZeroFlex> good night
[20:36:07] <ZeroFlex> hmmzz
[20:36:23] <ZeroFlex> that toolchange looks like a fine option
[20:36:31] <ZeroFlex> i'm a bit dreaming on how to do it
[20:41:00] <kanzure> has anyone seen jonpry recently?
[20:42:05] <ZeroFlex> who ? misa is new here
[20:42:18] <MarkusBec> MarkusBec is now known as MarkusBec_away
[20:42:20] <kanzure> you sound like a certain unloved character from starwars
[20:42:53] <kanzure> "misa"
[20:46:08] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[20:47:38] <ZeroFlex> hahaha :)
[20:48:07] <ZeroFlex> your the first one i can remember on irc (normal quakenet) that knows what i mean by it :D
[20:48:23] <ZeroFlex> the thing is, is it a good sign you know it :d
[20:52:39] <DaViruz> damn i hate jar jar binks
[20:53:10] <ZeroFlex> hahaha
[20:53:27] <alex_joni> DaViruz: he's damn cute
[20:53:34] <alex_joni> and dumb too :P
[20:53:37] <DaViruz> he is damn unbearable
[20:54:20] <ZeroFlex> i found him a good character
[20:54:22] <ZeroFlex> fynny
[20:55:07] <DaViruz> feels lika character they added with the sole intention of appealing to a younger audience
[20:55:13] <DaViruz> a lot younger.. :P
[20:55:45] <ZeroFlex> whehe
[20:55:46] <DaViruz> it could have been funny but they overdid it
[20:55:54] <ZeroFlex> neh
[20:56:05] <renesis> the whole thing was overdid
[20:56:17] <ZeroFlex> in the earlier movies you had a bigfoot type that did the job
[22:02:17] <ZeroFlex> brrr
[22:05:59] <MarkusBec> MarkusBec is now known as MarkusBec_away
[22:11:25] <MarkusBec_away> MarkusBec_away is now known as MarkusBec
[22:19:02] <ilya_> I'm finally powerlifting when I seat behind the computer (when no one see me).
[22:19:12] <ilya_> *sit
[22:22:38] <ZeroFlex> haha
[22:23:51] <ZeroFlex> i do it often
[22:24:21] <ZeroFlex> only with my right hand :) the weight isnt that enormouse but the frequency is ....
[22:24:22] <ZeroFlex> :d
[22:26:47] <ilya_> the frequency is about one or two thousand a day. I'm lifting small iron
[22:27:01] <ilya_> with two hands.
[22:27:19] <ZeroFlex> ah
[22:27:21] <ZeroFlex> whehe
[22:27:39] <ZeroFlex> neh, i dont lift i rub
[22:27:40] <ZeroFlex> :D
[22:28:07] <ZeroFlex> whehe
[22:28:12] <ZeroFlex> but i'm going to sleep
[22:28:24] <ZeroFlex> get the wrong kind of humor late @ night
[22:28:36] <ZeroFlex> its 00.30 over here
[22:28:41] <ilya_> i do it alwasy, to
[22:28:48] <ilya_> it's morning here
[22:28:58] <ZeroFlex> :) need to be in working order @ 6
[22:29:18] <ZeroFlex> :( damn those idiots who invented a working week of 5 days...
[22:29:25] <ilya_> oh, get some running at the morning, and vegetable salad
[22:29:33] <ZeroFlex> pfff
[22:29:34] <ZeroFlex> neh
[22:29:39] <ZeroFlex> dont eat at morning
[22:29:42] <ilya_> working week should lasts 6 days?
[22:29:59] <ilya_> could be...
[22:30:10] <ZeroFlex> just a fat snack @ afternoon :D
[22:30:21] <ZeroFlex> neh 2 days should do the trick in my book
[22:30:21] <ZeroFlex> :d
[22:30:36] <ZeroFlex> need much more time for my projects @ home
[22:31:07] <ilya_> We should have 9-days weeks
[22:31:23] <ZeroFlex> that would do the tick olsa yes
[22:31:38] <ilya_> imagine that lady from the /Rules of the sex/
[22:31:41] <ZeroFlex> i would have stayed in my favo age (16) a bit longer
[22:31:53] <ilya_> yeah
[22:32:00] <ZeroFlex> dont know /rules the sex/
[22:32:11] <ilya_> people would livelonger
[22:32:18] <ZeroFlex> yha
[22:32:26] <ilya_> German-USA, 2002
[22:32:38] <ZeroFlex> would have much more time to win a lotto jackpot
[22:32:38] <ZeroFlex> :d
[22:32:47] <ZeroFlex> dont know it
[22:32:52] <ZeroFlex> i'm from the netherlands
[22:33:17] <ilya_> then imagine someone from the Amsterdam. :)
[22:33:22] <ZeroFlex> whe got crappy tv shows/stations over here :d
[22:33:34] <ilya_> it's a film
[22:33:44] <ZeroFlex> oh
[22:34:00] <ZeroFlex> dont know it
[22:34:28] <ZeroFlex> but i must go to my bed
[22:34:38] <ilya_> Imagine someone from the /Malibu rescuers/
[22:34:54] <ilya_> that's the US show
[22:35:00] <ZeroFlex> 5 and half hour to go until my crappy working day begins
[22:35:04] <ZeroFlex> dont know it either
[22:35:05] <ZeroFlex> :D
[22:35:37] <ZeroFlex> i dont watch television (accept some great football cup games or discovery
[22:35:43] <ilya_> Does it begin at 6:00 a.m.?
[22:35:45] <ZeroFlex> the rest are movies from the internet
[22:35:51] <ZeroFlex> no 7
[22:35:57] <ilya_> oh
[22:36:11] <ilya_> Search on the Internet for this Film.
[22:36:22] <ZeroFlex> but i've a big ass, takes its time to clean all of it :D
[22:36:33] <ZeroFlex> www.imdb.nl
[22:37:23] <ZeroFlex> hmmzz cant find ie
[22:37:25] <ZeroFlex> it
[22:37:27] <ilya_> Is it your website? (I can not use http data)
[22:37:35] <ZeroFlex> nope
[22:37:37] <ZeroFlex> imdb
[22:37:46] <ZeroFlex> http://www.imdb.com
[22:38:00] <ZeroFlex> The Internet Movie Database
[22:38:00] <ilya_> "I am deliberately Netherlandish"? :)
[22:38:25] <ZeroFlex> lol
[22:38:39] <ZeroFlex> dutch
[22:38:40] <ZeroFlex> :d
[22:38:46] <ilya_> I like Paul Werhooven's film about collaborationists, called the /Black Book/
[22:39:00] <ZeroFlex> hmm
[22:39:11] <ZeroFlex> i did see the movie but it didnt do much to me
[22:39:23] <ZeroFlex> the pianist was the last good one
[22:39:34] <ilya_> http://www.reelviews.net/movies/r/rules_attraction.html
[22:39:41] <ZeroFlex> in that genre, but thats my opionion
[22:39:43] <ilya_> Probably this one
[22:40:16] <ZeroFlex> hmmmzzz :d
[22:40:17] <ZeroFlex> Jessica Biel
[22:40:22] <ZeroFlex> hmmm rrrRRR
[22:40:24] <ilya_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Book_(film)
[22:40:56] <ZeroFlex> i think its to much overrated
[22:41:05] <ilya_> We're logged, but I dare to say, I like this film because of titties!
[22:41:15] <ZeroFlex> haha
[22:41:20] <ilya_> What is overrated?
[22:41:20] <ZeroFlex> carice van houten
[22:41:22] <ZeroFlex> nah ...
[22:41:32] <ilya_> Irish actor?
[22:41:37] <ZeroFlex> it aint that big deal (the movie i mean)
[22:41:41] <ZeroFlex> dutch players
[22:41:44] <ZeroFlex> dutch girly
[22:42:20] <ilya_> You mean the /Pianist/ or the /Black Book/?
[22:42:30] <ZeroFlex> did also have a part in valkiry
[22:42:40] <ZeroFlex> black book
[22:42:50] <ZeroFlex> the book itselfe (reading) is good
[22:43:05] <ZeroFlex> movie in my opinion sucks :P
[22:43:16] <ZeroFlex> pianist is a good movi
[22:43:29] <ZeroFlex> it caught me in it watching it
[22:43:35] <ZeroFlex> blackbook didnt
[22:43:53] <ZeroFlex> you have another good story called war winter
[22:44:10] <ZeroFlex> a dutch writer wrote the book Oorlogswinter by jan terlauw
[22:44:10] <ilya_> blackbook has a detective story
[22:44:11] <ZeroFlex> ouw
[22:44:14] <ZeroFlex> terlouw
[22:44:14] <ilya_> and nice nipples
[22:44:18] <ZeroFlex> haha
[22:45:05] <ZeroFlex> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0795441/ <<--- winter in wartime
[22:45:25] <ZeroFlex> is a fine movie (not that good but its fine)
[22:45:45] <ZeroFlex> real story about an englisch pilot who got shot down above the netherlands in war time
[22:45:53] <ilya_> it's fine because of the scenario?
[22:46:13] <ZeroFlex> and was hiding for the germans with help of a little boy
[22:46:22] <ilya_> I could have seen it if it's not new.
[22:46:26] <ZeroFlex> scenario but olso the story
[22:46:41] <ilya_> With Jean Paul Belmando?
[22:47:01] <ilya_> If yes, It's old film, I know it.
[22:47:19] <ZeroFlex> ehm thats the old one i believe (fromthe mid seventies)
[22:47:46] <ZeroFlex> nope different movie
[22:48:06] <ZeroFlex> its both (the new and old one) a cast of dutch/german
[22:48:14] <ilya_> I will see it someday...
[22:48:29] <ZeroFlex> i'm stil searching an old movie/serie
[22:48:42] <ZeroFlex> ww2 in europe in france
[22:48:58] <ilya_> Have you seen lessons from the /MIT/ at www.ocw.mit.edu
[22:48:58] <ZeroFlex> where a woman plays someone from the underground
[22:49:07] <ZeroFlex> i saw it once as a child
[22:49:20] <ilya_> Jessica Biel was in which film?
[22:49:52] <ilya_> You saw a woman? Wow!!
[22:49:53] <ZeroFlex> the first one you mentioned
[22:50:14] <ZeroFlex> what the crap is mit
[22:50:16] <ZeroFlex> ?
[22:50:20] <ilya_> You mean, actress from the Rules of S. A.?
[22:50:24] <ZeroFlex> ja
[22:50:33] <ZeroFlex> yes
[22:50:47] <ilya_> Massachusetts Institute of Technology, "Open CoureWare"
[22:50:59] <ZeroFlex> dont know it
[22:51:03] <ilya_> oh, so I will see her info
[22:51:04] <ZeroFlex> what for is it
[22:51:15] <ilya_> read the lessons online and watch video
[22:51:25] <ZeroFlex> blegh
[22:51:29] <ilya_> programming, electronics
[22:51:29] <ZeroFlex> i hate learning :D
[22:51:40] <ilya_> i hate, also :P
[22:51:47] <ZeroFlex> programming...
[22:51:50] <ilya_> But i learn something sometimes
[22:51:53] <ZeroFlex> i do php/mysql html
[22:51:55] <ilya_> programming...
[22:52:02] <ZeroFlex> wanted always to learn v.net
[22:52:14] <ilya_> I'm graduated as mechanic, but don't really know programming...
[22:52:18] <ZeroFlex> but hell... the time.....
[22:53:09] <ZeroFlex> i'm graduated in ict (system/network) but.. i run a service department for gaschromatographs
[22:54:13] <ZeroFlex> hobby's = training k9/police dogs/mechanics/cars/motorcycles/tuning/building everything arround that
[22:54:21] <ilya_> gaschromatographs haha
[22:54:25] <ilya_> What is it?
[22:54:34] <ZeroFlex> little machines
[22:54:39] <ilya_> I'm from Western Siberia and it's morning, GMT+7
[22:54:42] <ZeroFlex> wich inhalate gases
[22:55:06] <ZeroFlex> if it inhalates your fart it can analyse what it contains
[22:55:20] <ilya_> cars (plan to MRO or tuning in few garages), cycling or skateboarding
[22:55:46] <ilya_> oh, nice, very, VERY useful!! :)
[22:55:53] <ZeroFlex> i'm from the netherlands (easter/middle part of it)
[22:55:55] <ZeroFlex> yha
[22:55:59] <ilya_> I have single Ural
[22:56:19] <ZeroFlex> we use those machines to analyse the reduction of etheen in the catalysator of us
[22:56:22] <ilya_> Russian. Plan to register it soon, and use at warm spring days...
[22:57:02] <ilya_> motorcycle
[22:57:02] <ZeroFlex> big gas engines at huge flower/vegetable plant (gardeners) wich make power for the growing lamps
[22:57:05] <ilya_> i mean
[22:57:22] <ilya_> growing lamps?
[22:57:28] <ZeroFlex> yha
[22:57:29] <ZeroFlex> light
[22:57:36] <ZeroFlex> to make the plants grow faster
[22:57:50] <ilya_> ah, We discussed Sterlig's engines in ##english
[22:57:51] <ZeroFlex> we use even the exhaust gasses to let the plants grow
[22:58:04] <ZeroFlex> no not sterling
[22:58:11] <ilya_> Few people want to create ones
[22:58:15] <ZeroFlex> we use sort of huge stationary engines
[22:58:24] <ZeroFlex> 32 cillinders
[22:58:28] <ilya_> ZeroFlex: I read about it once
[22:58:30] <ZeroFlex> 4 megawatts
[22:59:31] <ilya_> nice... We can cultiwate grape here, could make a use of this sort of lamps
[22:59:35] <ZeroFlex> we can reduce the exhaust gasses so that it wont hurt the environment but can olse be used as warming gas to the plants en as co2 gas for the plants
[22:59:45] <ZeroFlex> hehe
[22:59:46] <ZeroFlex> :)
[22:59:49] <ZeroFlex> an ural
[23:00:09] <ilya_> ZeroFlex: How does it come you were hired to this laboratory?
[23:00:40] <ZeroFlex> there wasnt any work in the ict over here a couple of years ago (when i came off school)
[23:00:52] <ZeroFlex> so i got to work repairing those analysers
[23:01:27] <ZeroFlex> i learn pretty fast if it is technical and if it has my interest :d
[23:01:32] <ilya_> oh... I worked as a crane fitter at huge oxygen converter department of local metallurgical plant
[23:01:48] <ZeroFlex> what is a crane fitter ?
[23:01:52] <ilya_> dirt and dust and lots of energy wasted to heating
[23:02:02] <ilya_> fitter = repairmen
[23:02:19] <ZeroFlex> ah
[23:02:34] <ilya_> crane = la_fen: fitter — noun: 1. a person who fits or assembles something — adjective: 1. comparative form of fit
[23:02:40] <ZeroFlex> anhaha
[23:02:42] <ZeroFlex> :)
[23:02:45] <ilya_> routines
[23:03:22] <ZeroFlex> in my free time (as a child/at school) i've worked a lot at scrap heaps
[23:03:25] <ilya_> crane = A mechanical lifting device, often used for lifting heavy loads for industrial or construction purposes
[23:03:29] <ZeroFlex> car lots and so on
[23:03:37] <ZeroFlex> haha
[23:03:44] <ZeroFlex> yha know what a crane is
[23:03:51] <ZeroFlex> crane lifts things
[23:03:52] <ZeroFlex> :d
[23:04:03] <ilya_> my bicycle was a scrap when I was kid. Some details at the hub were made of iron, not steel!
[23:04:16] <ZeroFlex> but a crane fitter i could not place
[23:04:23] <ZeroFlex> hmm
[23:04:27] <ilya_> What if you don't and I'm confusing you?!
[23:04:28] <ilya_> :)
[23:04:36] <ZeroFlex> i lhaha
[23:04:44] <ilya_> I also like the "Dance till you fall" movie for youth
[23:04:55] <ZeroFlex> dont know it either
[23:04:57] <ZeroFlex> :D hahaha
[23:05:23] <ilya_> Where the boy awakes after the coma and try to win a contest.
[23:05:34] <ZeroFlex> doesnt ring a bel
[23:05:35] <ZeroFlex> l
[23:05:46] <ZeroFlex> i download lots of movies from torrent sitez
[23:05:50] <ilya_> It doesn't here.
[23:06:01] <ZeroFlex> but dont know that movie
[23:06:03] <ZeroFlex> whehe
[23:06:06] <ilya_> I have no good adsl connection yet...
[23:06:30] <ZeroFlex> ah
[23:06:39] <ZeroFlex> i can download to 1.5mb/sec
[23:06:55] <ZeroFlex> but i think i will change it into a slower one
[23:07:05] <ZeroFlex> 65 euro's p/month
[23:07:10] <ilya_> Have you seen that Top Gear TV show where they have bought scooters and motorcycle in Vietnam and challenged to the northern part of country?
[23:07:22] <ZeroFlex> yha yha that was fun
[23:07:32] <ZeroFlex> though i dont like top gear
[23:07:33] <ZeroFlex> :d
[23:07:35] <ilya_> I can unlimited GPRS with 6 KBps for 25 USD :)
[23:07:48] <ilya_> Why don't like it?
[23:08:24] <ZeroFlex> i hate that kind of useless humor of so (dont realy know why, could be that i dislike things 100 percent of the people like :d
[23:08:24] <ilya_> We have Russian Top Gear: three broadcasters of the same kind, Russia, Russian adventures.
[23:08:57] <ZeroFlex> hmm
[23:09:03] <ilya_> At Saturday, Top Gear from the U.K., at Sunday -- Russian Top Gear...
[23:09:08] <ZeroFlex> hehe
[23:09:28] <ZeroFlex> i find it a bit irritating that so much people watch it
[23:09:37] <ZeroFlex> and always talk about it
[23:09:43] <ilya_> I thought Stig is a Viki Butler-Henderson from the /Fifth Gear/ :)
[23:09:46] <ZeroFlex> but will never be able to afford such a car
[23:09:57] <ilya_> Then I'm realise I probably wrong...
[23:09:57] <ZeroFlex> haha
[23:10:23] <ilya_> No one here talks about it, I like it.
[23:10:27] <ZeroFlex> hehe
[23:10:36] <ilya_> Who's Stig then?
[23:10:40] <ZeroFlex> here everyone i know male/female talks about it
[23:10:48] <ilya_> He showed himself in one issue.
[23:10:53] <ZeroFlex> i thought that the stig was michael shumacher
[23:11:05] <ilya_> Seriously? Why?
[23:11:08] <ZeroFlex> they revealed him as the stig a couple of months ago i heard
[23:11:26] <ilya_> That's not true... It's a joke.
[23:11:58] <ZeroFlex> hmm i dont realy know :D
[23:12:09] <ilya_> We have a comedy show, where they have compared Russian Lada to the washing machine
[23:12:14] <ZeroFlex> i'm more the type ghost rider
[23:12:25] <ZeroFlex> haha
[23:12:34] <ilya_> ZeroFlex: You're the Stig!!!!
[23:13:09] <ilya_> Washing maching has won the race with 48 hours as a result.
[23:13:15] <ZeroFlex> lol
[23:13:33] <ilya_> And Lada had broken and hadn't moved a feet.
[23:13:38] <ilya_> *a foot
[23:13:45] <ZeroFlex> meter
[23:13:45] <ZeroFlex> :D
[23:13:57] <ilya_> meter, or foot
[23:14:07] <ZeroFlex> but i'm going to sleep
[23:14:18] <ZeroFlex> or my boss wil kill me tomorrow when coming in late :D
[23:14:20] <ZeroFlex> again...
[23:14:33] <ilya_> joint to "##english" and "#running" (which is of a small talks although)...
[23:14:50] <ilya_> ok, buy (coffee stocks this week)
[23:14:55] <ZeroFlex> haha
[23:14:57] <ilya_> byu or bye
[23:14:59] <ZeroFlex> wil speak you later
[23:15:03] <ZeroFlex> bye bye
[23:15:05] <ilya_> I has forgotten the word!
[23:15:07] <ilya_> ok
[23:15:12] <ZeroFlex> hehe
[23:15:16] <ZeroFlex> laterz
[23:15:24] <ZeroFlex> ZeroFlex is now known as ZeroFlex_afk
[23:15:25] <ilya_> ci ya