#emc | Logs for 2009-07-22

[01:45:52] <cradek> jepler: neat! how's it sound?
[01:50:14] <jepler> cradek: it squeaks occasionally, and Z gets following errors (I haven't tuned any of them, just copied tuning values for Y)
[03:49:13] <antichip> hello all
[08:56:22] <A4NDY> HEI, u gatta see this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quN37YskoaM&feature=fvst
[08:57:17] <A4NDY> :)
[08:59:26] <A4NDY> micges go here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quN37YskoaM&feature=fvst
[09:13:30] <micges> A4NDY: nice, it's your toy?
[09:18:02] <A4NDY> nop, but kinda nice to see it...
[09:18:42] <micges> indeed :)
[09:18:55] <A4NDY> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hEXwyJ2B78&feature=channel
[09:19:03] <A4NDY> here again
[09:20:49] <A4NDY> someday these kind would decorate the whole building
[09:23:00] <A4NDY> put a "laser" / welder on the back... we re on
[09:23:46] <A4NDY> bigger bot required for the force
[09:25:27] <piasdom> g'mornin all
[09:26:17] <A4NDY> ... or faking a signature
[09:26:37] <A4NDY> gmorning
[09:26:59] <A4NDY> hi piasdom
[09:31:06] <piasdom> hi A4NDY
[09:39:46] <A4NDY> :)
[11:16:17] <Valen1> Valen1 is now known as Valen
[11:46:49] <joeyk__> joeyk__ is now known as joeyk
[13:43:42] <Jymmm> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quN37YskoaM
[13:44:51] <archivist> thats been spammed in here a number of times, thats the third today
[13:48:10] <Jymmm> That one was more detailed
[13:48:39] <Jymmm> archivist: go back to php and have a pagination flame war already ;)
[13:49:49] <archivist> just trying to wind up MikeSeth
[13:50:05] <Jymmm> go for it!
[14:05:15] <skunkworks_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quN37YskoaM
[14:05:21] <skunkworks_> ;)
[14:05:33] <skunkworks_> sorry - could not resist
[14:05:35] <archivist> naughty boy :)
[14:07:43] <Jymmm> http://www.hexapodrobot.com/projects/CNC_Hexapod/images/B.F.Hexapod_CNC_03.jpg
[14:08:16] <Jymmm> I wish the darn thing had a ruler next to it for scale
[14:09:06] <archivist> it has normal RC servos
[14:09:38] <Jymmm> yep
[14:09:49] <Jymmm> I dind't know they were that strong
[14:09:57] <archivist> so you can scale from that
[14:12:23] <Jymmm> Nah, still want the ruler
[14:24:45] <Valen1> Valen1 is now known as Valen
[15:08:02] <f7ee__> Why couldn't I build documentation with LYX 1.5.3?
[15:52:21] <BJT-Work> from where?
[15:56:29] <f7ee__> BJT-Work: ./configure --enable...
[15:56:45] <f7ee__> emc2-.../src
[15:56:48] <BJT-Work> from dev or 2.3.
[15:57:09] <f7ee__> 2.3 from source taken from sourceforge
[15:57:33] <f7ee__> emc2_2.3.1.tar.gz
[15:58:06] <BJT-Work> do you want to edit or just build docs?
[15:58:35] <alex_joni> f7ee__: html or pdf docs?
[15:58:44] <BJT-Work> hmm, I don't think I have built 2.3 from 8.04 only from 6.06
[15:58:53] <alex_joni> build-dep emc2 only gives you the possibility to build pdf docs
[15:58:55] <f7ee__> just to build them, with lyx 1.5.3, not lyx 1.3.x
[15:59:08] <alex_joni> ah, that probably will be a problem
[15:59:08] <f7ee__> ok
[15:59:39] <f7ee__> alex_joni: are there many things in those man pages, or they all are in the book, User manual?
[15:59:49] <alex_joni> the man pages should be available
[16:00:03] <alex_joni> if you do ". scripts/emc-environment"
[16:00:04] <BJT-Work> you can browse the man pages online too
[16:00:15] <alex_joni> then you can use man command to see the manual page
[16:00:24] <alex_joni> but as BJT said, all docs are online too
[16:00:32] <alex_joni> www.linuxcnc.org/docview/
[16:01:08] <BJT-Work> hi alex_joni
[16:01:10] <f7ee__> alex_joni: ok
[16:01:15] <BJT-Work> getting any sleep yet?
[16:01:20] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview//2.3/html/
[16:02:14] <alex_joni> BJT-Work: errr.. :P
[16:02:58] <alex_joni> I am getting some this week.. but I'm travelling :D
[16:03:43] <f7ee__> so, i need to learn g-code, then try to get empoyed, altogether with some other engineering programs, demo works and so on. Then I'll add those program packages to compile emc2-sim from source to wiki at either ubuntu 8.04, 8.10, 9.04 and probably any k/x/ed/u-buntu distribution.
[16:04:42] <BJT-Work> alex_joni: I worked offshore when my children were born so I got to sleep every other week at least :)
[16:04:54] <alex_joni> heh.. that's nice :P
[16:04:58] <alex_joni> also selfish :D
[16:05:03] <alex_joni> bbl..
[16:05:58] <BJT-Work> see ya
[16:41:39] <Xteven> hi
[16:42:06] <Xteven> I'm wondering, how does EMC know what cutting bit is loaded in the spindle ?
[16:44:51] <Goslowjimbo> SWPadnos: I finally got the 7i64 running with your script file. Disabled the WDog. Doh.
[16:45:11] <SWPadnos> oh. cool
[16:45:45] <SWPadnos> Xteven, there are M codes that can be used to select tools
[16:46:22] <SWPadnos> that, in conjunction with the tool table (which contains sizing data), tells EMC2 how to handle gcode which requests cutter compensation
[16:47:20] <Goslowjimbo> I still have yet to get my comp file to run correctly, but I'll keep dogging it. Not much time available, though. We're moving to the new house right now. 30 years of junk to move, storage to build, etc.
[16:47:30] <SWPadnos> eek
[16:50:14] <Xteven> hmm
[16:50:43] <Xteven> SWPadnos: is there a standardized set of toolbits ?
[16:50:54] <SWPadnos> no
[16:52:01] <SWPadnos> look at one of the *.tbl files in a sample config
[16:52:01] <Xteven> or should the software that generates the g-code handle it
[16:52:11] <Xteven> ok
[16:52:16] <SWPadnos> that's not necessary with EMC2, but it is often done in the CAM stage
[16:52:35] <SWPadnos> the CAM software has information that EMC2 doesn't have - the intended part shape
[16:52:56] <SWPadnos> EMC2 only has a path, but it can be told whether that path is supposed to be the center of the tool, the right side, or the left side
[16:53:25] <Xteven> ah
[16:53:27] <Xteven> interestinng
[16:54:35] <Xteven> I'm gonna start small
[16:54:42] <Xteven> and see how far I get, and how accurate :)
[16:54:48] <Xteven> (building the cnc table)
[17:02:32] <BJT-Work> Xteven: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//common_User_Concepts.html
[17:02:49] <BJT-Work> Xteven: http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/html//common_Integrator_Concepts.html
[17:09:25] <Xteven> neat thx :)
[17:36:39] <als> SWPadnos, you kickin around?
[17:36:58] <SWPadnos> somewhat
[17:37:59] <als> hey did you have to do anything special to get that video card to run on that gigabyte mb?
[17:38:14] <SWPadnos> no
[17:38:15] <skunkworks> just worked for me.
[17:38:34] <SWPadnos> different board I think
[17:38:37] <als> did your fan start right up?
[17:38:56] <skunkworks> (I was thinking goal3 ;)
[17:39:11] <SWPadnos> yes, I think all the fans start up on high, then maybe slow down after the initial POST
[17:39:18] <SWPadnos> skunkworks, yeah - a little different
[17:39:30] <SWPadnos> socket AM2+/3, quad core Athlon ... :)
[17:39:36] <als> I get nothing no fan and no video
[17:39:38] <als> yes
[17:40:13] <SWPadnos> I think there are a couple of buttons on the MB that light up when you have standby power - are those on?
[17:40:46] <als> I'll check brb
[17:40:51] <frallzor> wey my controlunitbox finally has a fan in it! =P
[17:42:38] <als> power button, reset.and cmos lights are on
[17:43:03] <SWPadnos> ok, and hitting power does nothing. strange
[17:43:09] <SWPadnos> do you have a speaker hooked up?
[17:43:22] <als> I'll try it
[17:44:03] <skunkworks> does this board require more than one power plug? - they all plugged in?
[17:44:13] <SWPadnos> oh yeah - good point
[17:44:28] <skunkworks> that makes it seem doa
[17:44:28] <SWPadnos> there is an 8-pin 12V connector
[17:44:57] <SWPadnos> and could possibly smoke it, depending
[17:45:07] <SWPadnos> (if it tries to pull all the current from the main connector)
[17:45:08] <skunkworks> what board is this?
[17:45:20] <als> power did nothing and all pci express's are pluged in with proper amperage
[17:45:23] <SWPadnos> Gigabyte GA-MA790FX-U5DP, IIRC
[17:45:32] <als> yep
[17:45:57] <als> six pin pci express
[17:46:05] <als> two
[17:47:18] <EbiDK|AWAY> http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/Support-Should-Never-Be-Necessary.aspx :P
[17:47:23] <SWPadnos> there's a second power connector on the motherboard
[17:47:35] <als> ?
[17:47:40] <SWPadnos> looks a bit like an 8-pin PCIe connector
[17:48:25] <SWPadnos> oops. UD5P
[17:49:07] <skunkworks> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=13-128-387-S04&ISList=13-128-387-S01%2c13-128-387-S02%2c13-128-387-S04%2c13-128-387-S03%2c13-128-387-S05&S7ImageFlag=1&Item=N82E16813128387&Depa=0&WaterMark=1&Description=GIGABYTE%20GA-MA790X-UD4P%20ATX%20AMD%20Motherboard%20-%20Retail
[17:49:10] <SWPadnos> it's between the SPDIF outputs and the heatsink that says "Ultra Durable"
[17:49:16] <skunkworks> lower left - white plug
[17:49:41] <SWPadnos> it may have a sticker over half of it, so if your power supply has only the 4-pin connector, connect it to the exposed pins
[17:49:54] <SWPadnos> otherwise, remove the sticker and use the 8-pin connector
[17:50:00] <SWPadnos> don't use a PCIe connector
[17:50:46] <als> what do I use then?
[17:51:37] <SWPadnos> the power supply should have a connector for that
[17:51:43] <SWPadnos> if it doesn't, you need another power suplpy
[17:51:45] <SWPadnos> supply
[17:51:54] <skunkworks> do you have a link to your powersupply?
[17:51:57] <SWPadnos> (the one in the Antec case I used had the correct connector)
[17:52:08] <als> corsair 650
[17:52:55] <skunkworks> http://www.newegg.com/Product/ShowImage.aspx?CurImage=17-139-005-06.jpg&Image=17-139-005-12.jpg%2c17-139-005-14.jpg%2c17-139-005-13.jpg%2c17-139-005-10.jpg%2c17-139-005-05.jpg%2c17-139-005-06.jpg%2c17-139-005-04.jpg%2c17-139-005-03.jpg%2c17-139-005-02.jpg&S7ImageFlag=0&WaterMark=1&Item=N82E16817139005&Depa=1&Description=CORSAIR%20CMPSU-650TX%20650W%20Compatible%20with%20Core%20i7%20Power%20Supply
[17:53:10] <skunkworks> says cpu power connector on the right
[17:53:28] <eric_unterhausen> you have to be very careful about those cables
[17:53:39] <skunkworks> looks like it might be a double plug? hard to tell.
[17:53:44] <eric_unterhausen> there are about 20 different standards now
[17:54:06] <eric_unterhausen> that's the thing about standards, everybody has one
[17:54:33] <skunkworks> :)
[17:55:20] <eric_unterhausen> when I bought this computer, I ended up with a power supply that didn't work with it
[17:56:14] <eric_unterhausen> It might have worked, but I don't believe in pushing the limits on PSUs
[18:03:06] <skunkworks> * skunkworks hands als a fire extinguisher
[18:03:40] <als> use just one 4 pin connector on 5,6,7,8?
[18:04:25] <skunkworks> you would have to read your mb manual.. (I cannot guess) :)
[18:12:10] <als> skunkworks, it just doesn't say much
[18:13:14] <SWPadnos> als, the connector should only go inon one side - they use rounded and square shaped contact sheaths to key them
[18:13:30] <SWPadnos> it should be at one side or the other, not on the center contacts
[18:13:38] <SWPadnos> if it fits in either place, then use it wherever it fit s:)
[18:13:41] <SWPadnos> fits :)
[18:13:44] <als> it does say that fool proof
[18:13:45] <skunkworks> heh
[18:14:34] <skunkworks> guy at work was able to plug the 4 pin cpu plug in backwards...
[18:14:50] <skunkworks> still worked though
[18:15:03] <skunkworks> (after plugged in correctly)
[18:16:46] <als> they both fit but do I use both
[18:17:31] <als> one on one side and one on the other
[18:18:05] <skunkworks> so - there are two 4 pin plugs? both in the same sheith?
[18:18:21] <als> yes
[18:19:30] <als> corsair only shows a 4 pin connector and nothing in there book
[18:19:38] <skunkworks> I would say it is right - it says 1 x 12V(4/8Pin)
[18:19:48] <skunkworks> (corsair power supply)
[18:20:32] <skunkworks> what is the worse that could happen ;)
[18:20:53] <skunkworks> * skunkworks usually flys by the seat of his pants
[18:22:44] <als> thats it its working
[18:22:50] <skunkworks> whew
[18:24:04] <als> thank's guys
[18:38:44] <skunkworks> rough life http://imagebin.ca/img/76yABVJE.jpg
[18:51:22] <SWPadnos> als, cool. enjoy your ~40 second EMC build times now :)
[18:54:54] <als> Thanks
[19:16:30] <f7ee__> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#Compiling_EMC2_in_a_simulator_mode_on_Ubuntu_or_Kubuntu_8_04_or_9_04
[19:19:40] <frallzor> I want to compile it in real deal mode =(
[19:22:57] <f7ee__> frallzor: then use the same packages for your version of anybuntu
[19:23:20] <f7ee__> i mean those mentioned in whole that page
[19:23:44] <frallzor> can i follow that guide? Im new to linux =)
[19:25:04] <f7ee__> frallzor: get some cocktail made of babanas and green veggies as parsley, get few minutes and read that page
[19:25:13] <f7ee__> bananas
[19:27:17] <frallzor> that site only mentions simulator.
[19:27:32] <frallzor> pretty sure that doesnt mean working like normal =)
[19:28:34] <f7ee__> frallzor: there are sacripts for ubuntu 8.04 and even a Bootable CD with realtime kernel
[19:28:54] <f7ee__> on the linuxcnc.org, at the left of the page
[19:30:47] <frallzor> maybe should have mentioned i want it on 9.04 ;)
[19:31:49] <f7ee__> frallzor: right above that link, http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#Compiling_EMC2_in_a_simulator_mode_on_Ubuntu_or_Kubuntu_8_04_or_9_04, there are realtime packages mentioned, install that one in 9.04
[19:31:58] <f7ee__> those ones
[19:32:42] <frallzor> it still says simulator mode =)
[19:33:02] <f7ee__> wait
[19:33:05] <frallzor> correct me if im wrong, but isnt that a sign of not working fully?
[19:35:02] <f7ee__> 5.2 or so of that page, RTAI = Real-Time Application Interface, then compile with `./configure --enable-run-in-place' `make', `sudo set uid' or so
[19:36:16] <frallzor> the issue still excists, i dont know squat on how to do all that =P
[19:36:34] <f7ee__> frallzor: it will view or visualize g-code, help you to prepair the code for to be run to waste those non-cheap materials you want to.
[19:37:00] <frallzor> will it control my machine?
[19:37:04] <f7ee__> real-time = you can not install it to laptop
[19:37:06] <f7ee__> no
[19:37:21] <frallzor> well then I dont want it =)
[19:37:33] <f7ee__> it need a real-time kernel to control the machine
[19:38:00] <frallzor> well if I copile one it should work?
[19:38:03] <frallzor> *compile
[19:38:24] <f7ee__> 5.3. RTAI from scratch, then compile with `./configure --enable-run-in-place'
[19:38:30] <f7ee__> yes
[19:39:15] <f7ee__> it should be configured and tried, it's better to use that bootable CD and run Latency test on your Personal Computer
[19:40:13] <frallzor> well I still dont know how to do it all, never used linux =) so i guess i have to wait for the next version that is lts
[19:40:51] <f7ee__> frallzor: no, try 8.04
[19:41:02] <frallzor> I am running 8.04...
[19:41:11] <frallzor> I need 9.04 for my touchscreen to work
[19:41:49] <f7ee__> frallzor: real-time kernel doesn't support usb flash disk, anyway. no matter 8.04 or 8.10 or 9.04
[19:42:16] <f7ee__> frallzor: ok, wait for alex_joni o someone who can help you
[19:42:26] <frallzor> most have tried =)
[19:42:36] <frallzor> it works flawlessly in 9.04
[19:42:40] <frallzor> but messed up in 8.04
[19:42:57] <f7ee__> ok, i've understood it.
[19:43:18] <frallzor> would be fun too at least find out what is making it work there =)
[19:43:21] <f7ee__> frallzor: `sudo apt-get update'
[19:44:22] <f7ee__> this command fetches repositories
[19:44:31] <frallzor> i know =)
[19:44:37] <f7ee__> Let's try it
[19:44:55] <f7ee__> wait and i'll give you another command to try
[19:47:05] <f7ee__> try to install these packages: debhelper (>> 4.0.0), linux-image-2.6.15-magma, rtai-modules-2.6.15-magma, linux-headers-2.6.15-magma, gcc-4.0, g++, make, libc6-dev, tcl8.4-dev, tk8.4-dev, libgtk2.0-dev, pciutils-dev, libncurses-dev, gettext, libxaw7-dev, libreadline5-dev, lyx-qt, python, tetex-bin, latex2html, python2.4-dev, libglu1-mesa-dev, libgl1-mesa-dev, libgnomeprint2.2-dev, groff, bwidget, tetex-extra
[19:47:46] <frallzor> what will they do
[19:48:23] <f7ee__> then unpack that tarball and follow 5.5 paragraph, but use `./configure --enable-run-in-place' -- i.e. without words `--enable-simulator'
[19:49:09] <f7ee__> frallzor: they will add essential capabilities to your system. Standard installation CD or DVD doesn't contain these packages.
[19:49:34] <frallzor> too much for me =)
[19:51:29] <f7ee__> frallzor: it's not too much, be ready to read some information, ead whole this page, try to understand how do the things work in debian linux
[19:52:26] <frallzor> well you list some stuff to install, then unpack A tarball, which tarball? =)
[19:52:41] <f7ee__> this one:
[19:53:31] <f7ee__> see the linuxcnc.org page, then
[19:53:54] <f7ee__> find words `You can get it: as a source package from sourceforge , from Git , or as a precompiled pac'
[19:54:22] <f7ee__> where `sourceforge' is tagged as a link and leads to http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/emc/emc2_2.3.1.tar.gz?download
[19:54:52] <frallzor> this is waaaay to much for me
[19:55:42] <frallzor> ill try too install the packages at least
[19:56:08] <f7ee__> read 5.5 and compile as a simulator for a start, then install real-time kernel and compile, for example, emc2-my_preparaton-H-1 as `./configure --enable-run-in-place'
[19:57:07] <frallzor> that magma pack isnt working
[19:57:10] <f7ee__> ok, learn linux and G-code if your skilled speciality is somehow reated to the production by means of CNC-machines
[19:57:12] <frallzor> cant find that packages
[19:58:48] <f7ee__> frallzor: try another with letters `rt' or `rtai', which mean real-time or real-time application interface. Search google for words like `installing RTAI in Ubuntu'
[20:00:30] <f7ee__> linux-rt
[20:00:36] <f7ee__> or anythng
[20:01:02] <frallzor> if it is this "easy" why are ppl not using 9,04 and emc2 then? =/
[20:02:38] <f7ee__> ppl ?
[20:02:58] <frallzor> people
[20:03:17] <f7ee__> frallzor: it's easy, don't give up now
[20:03:49] <f7ee__> frallzor: do you have ATI video card?
[20:04:04] <frallzor> nope
[20:04:27] <f7ee__> anyway, just try
[20:05:01] <f7ee__> install as in 5.5 for a start
[20:05:14] <frallzor> so just installif I try ill do it from scratch =)
[20:05:21] <frallzor> with rtai in 9.04
[20:06:15] <f7ee__> without rtai in 9.04, then choose rtai-packages in 9.04 and compile emc2, now with support of rtai kernel
[20:07:01] <frallzor> dont I need to compile rtai in 9.04?
[20:07:21] <f7ee__> it's hard, so as i wouldn't try
[20:07:45] <frallzor> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?RtaiSteps
[20:07:55] <frallzor> this looks pretty straightforward
[20:08:12] <f7ee__> then follow it
[20:08:38] <frallzor> i might try it tomorrow then, today is playday
[20:08:52] <f7ee__> ok
[20:11:51] <f7ee__> frallzor: linux-restricted-modules-rt
[20:12:24] <f7ee__> which downloads three packages.
[20:13:37] <f7ee__> i'm using laptop and i will not try it right now. If i would need it, i would save data from HDD and try to install it, or re-install ubuntu and start again
[20:14:42] <f7ee__> frallzor: `LINUX-RT'
[20:14:46] <f7ee__> package
[21:35:07] <EbiDK> EbiDK is now known as EbiDK|AWAY