#emc | Logs for 2009-07-20

[00:01:22] <SWPadnos> jimbo655, huh. sadly, I have the Patriot Warp SSDs in these machines. I hope they don't have the same failure rate you saw
[00:01:44] <SWPadnos> Jymmm, they're still in warrantee - only a couple months old
[00:09:44] <SWPadnos> oh. I guess these are Warp V2 drives
[01:00:37] <jepler_> jepler_ is now known as jepler
[01:54:50] <jimbo655> I am replacing replacements on the replacements. WinxpPro. I am going to get new drives and then Ebay the new ones. I can n longer nurse this along until Patriot gets it right.
[01:56:49] <jimbo655> I have the warp V2 drives also. If you get replacements ask for the new ones.... there is another version coming out...
[02:05:58] <SWPadnos> what kinds of problems did you have?
[02:06:04] <SWPadnos> s/did/do/
[02:07:48] <jimbo655> The drives will stop booting.
[02:08:14] <SWPadnos> so the motherboard stops seeing them at boot?
[02:08:58] <SWPadnos> one thing I found with the SATA cables I have (the ones provided with the Intel D945GCLF2 kit) is that they don't lock in place very well
[02:09:01] <jimbo655> Yes. put a new drive in and all is OK. I have several at my customers so he can replace them.
[02:09:14] <SWPadnos> they're locking connectors, but the drive doesn't have the detent to hold the cables in place
[02:09:55] <SWPadnos> which capacity did you get?
[02:10:08] <jimbo655> 32GB
[02:10:14] <SWPadnos> hmmm. same as me
[02:10:19] <SWPadnos> how long ago?
[02:10:33] <SWPadnos> (just wondering what my chances are to have missed the problems you're having :) )
[02:11:13] <jimbo655> I have been dealing with this for the last 4-5 months. I replaced a drive last week that I put in last month ..... sucks...
[02:11:23] <SWPadnos> huh
[02:12:37] <jimbo655> My replacements are failing. Patriot sends me a new drive I clone it and put it on the shelf as the next replacement for when the next drive fails.
[02:13:00] <jimbo655> I am using Asus pundit barebones computers.
[02:13:03] <SWPadnos> have you tried the drives in other machines (ie, different motherboards)?
[02:13:23] <SWPadnos> I think I had read about these drives not being detected by some motherboards
[02:14:02] <jimbo655> All of the machines are the same.... just the name and IP address are different. I store no data on the computer so the only writes are OS caching..
[02:15:30] <jimbo655> It is odd they will work for a couple of weeks or months no probelms and then bam can't boot.
[02:15:54] <SWPadnos> that's the kind of thing that would point me to power problems
[02:16:44] <jimbo655> I know but it is random as to the machine. Also all machines are on UPS...
[02:17:55] <jimbo655> And medical grade outlets and grounding.....
[02:19:03] <SWPadnos> not necessarily power input problems, more likely the PC supply
[02:19:11] <SWPadnos> it's that turn-on / turn-off thing
[02:22:40] <jimbo655> Not sure how to protect the drive from that. Want I find interesting is that the V.2 has ended. I am working on all my replacements being the new latest and greatest.
[02:22:51] <jimbo655> What
[02:24:18] <jimbo655> I think there are problems with the drive that are being addressed with the new version. they were way to amiable last time we talked.
[02:25:42] <SWPadnos> well, I guess I should stress these a bit to make sure we break them while they're still in a good mood
[02:26:23] <jimbo655> That's for sure. On to another note are you able to bring up x-client on the Ubuntu box and serve the console over the net?
[02:26:40] <SWPadnos> I'm not sure I understand the question
[02:26:45] <jimbo655> I think the warrenty is 2 years
[02:27:01] <SWPadnos> as long as you install the ssh server. you can get remote shell logins
[02:27:22] <SWPadnos> and you can forward X sessions over those ssh connections, so you can run graphical apps on the remote machine
[02:27:34] <jimbo655> What I want to do is use x-server on my PC to control my mill from my desk.
[02:27:36] <SWPadnos> that is independent of whether the local login is graphical or text
[02:28:01] <SWPadnos> ok, all you need to install is openssh, I don't recall the exact package name
[02:28:35] <SWPadnos> there may be a separate package for the server vs. the client - you need server to log in remotely
[02:30:29] <jimbo655> Great I will look at that. Suse linux I am good to go.... Ubuntu lots of little differances......
[02:31:06] <SWPadnos> I'm not sure why Ubuntu leaves ssh server out of a default install. probably security-related paranoia
[02:31:59] <jimbo655> That is the standard procedure... make it safe... Pain in the 'but.
[02:32:22] <jimbo655> Butt
[02:33:05] <SWPadnos> yeah
[02:33:19] <SWPadnos> especially when you forget to install ssh server before deploying
[02:34:22] <Jymmm> sudo apt-get install sshd
[02:34:34] <SWPadnos> that works great at a local console ;)
[02:35:10] <Jymmm> If you dont install sshd before you need it (in the field as example) you are a dumbass!
[02:35:20] <jimbo655> Yes... I only use Linux for the servers. Most of my clients want windows on the desktop.
[02:35:29] <Jymmm> Especially if you've used debian/ubuntu > year
[02:36:14] <Jymmm> jimbo655: that's fine.
[02:36:33] <jimbo655> Thaks I am installing asa we speak.....
[02:37:11] <Jymmm> There's like three things any nix user needs... network, editor, and ssh everythng else is gravy
[02:37:41] <Jymmm> imnsho
[02:38:07] <jimbo655> Wer not humble...... Noooooooooooooooooooooo
[02:38:11] <jimbo655> were
[02:38:45] <Jymmm> jimbo655: ^^^^ imnsho == In my ***NOT*** so humble opinon ;)
[02:39:18] <jimbo655> Ritght.....................:)
[02:39:24] <jimbo655> Right
[02:39:31] <Jymmm> ok, thought you missed the NOT part =)
[02:39:51] <Jymmm> OH, avoid LASKO brand fans like the plague - POS!
[02:41:32] <Jymmm> $40 for their 20" TURBO... even an ant blows harder. For $40 at HD got a metal (round) 20" fan... Blows like $2.01 hooker and is quiet in conparison.
[02:41:38] <jimbo655> The fans that I use are the Silenx fans. I am in the AV business and these are very quiet. I use them to cool cabinets.
[02:42:01] <Jymmm> The HD are "Whole House" floor fans.
[02:42:43] <Jymmm> You can vent the whole house with one of these in 15 - 20 minutes
[02:43:17] <Jymmm> Just an alternative since Patton is no more.
[02:44:02] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: What were you implying?
[02:44:19] <SWPadnos> with what?
[02:44:48] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: that works great at a local console ;)
[02:45:11] <SWPadnos> well, I had this wee little problem once, you see ... :)
[02:45:20] <Jymmm> which was?
[02:45:43] <SWPadnos> and finding a monitor that could be plugged into a D954GCLF2 (standard analog VGA) in a mac-only shop wasn't too easy
[02:45:47] <Jymmm> no crt/io
[02:45:58] <SWPadnos> I had to install something, but had forgotten to set these computers up with ssh
[02:46:21] <Jymmm> shame on you not carrying a vga to dvi adapter
[02:46:27] <Jymmm> ;)
[02:46:40] <jimbo655> rough crowd....:)
[02:46:53] <SWPadnos> that assumes that the apple monitors even have DVI-I (or DVI at all, these days)
[02:46:59] <Jymmm> jimbo655: Not yet, working up to that level
[02:48:15] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Hmmmm, you have a point there. but I think they would just due to the fact that apple systems still have a variety of connecters out there
[02:48:23] <Jymmm> ow I'm curious
[02:48:26] <Jymmm> n
[02:49:09] <SWPadnos> the newer monitors only have DisplayPort or HDMI, I think
[02:49:19] <SWPadnos> there's an adapter box that has a DVI cable on it
[02:50:58] <Jymmm> SOB you're right.... 24" display uses Mini DisplayPort now
[02:51:16] <Jymmm> MB uses mdvi
[02:51:19] <Jymmm> which I knew
[02:51:30] <SWPadnos> oh, and a PS/2 style keyboard is the other issue
[02:51:38] <SWPadnos> or even USB
[02:51:49] <SWPadnos> with actual function keys
[02:52:28] <Jymmm> Apple kybd DOES work PC - that I know for sure
[02:52:38] <Jymmm> everything except the Fn key
[02:52:49] <Jymmm> which is a laptop dependant thing
[02:53:03] <Jymmm> and not even a PC kybd Fn key works for that
[02:53:24] <SWPadnos> I don't care about "fn", I need the actual F1-Fnn keys sometimes :)
[02:53:56] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: The Apple aluminum kybd actuall has F1 thru F15
[02:54:21] <SWPadnos> but they're not F-keys by default, they're email and volume and other things until you hit Fn
[02:54:38] <Jymmm> No, they are - on a PC
[02:55:08] <SWPadnos> ?
[02:55:09] <Jymmm> On a mac, you hit Fn+F# to get the REAL functionality
[02:55:23] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Seriously =)
[02:55:43] <SWPadnos> oh, the scancodes are the same?
[02:55:48] <Jymmm> yep
[02:56:16] <Jymmm> is a system specific thing on a mac that determines if it's volume or F3-F5
[02:56:58] <Jymmm> If you havea VM and ned to hit F10 which is usually kybd brightness, you hit Fn+F10
[02:58:44] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: It's a setting in SYSTEM PREFERENCES (osx) that determines if they are feature keys (vol,brightness) or function keys
[02:58:59] <SWPadnos> not that I care. I don't use macs :)
[02:59:23] <SWPadnos> the really funny thing is that I usually carry a keyboard with me when I travel, but this time I didn't
[02:59:30] <Jymmm> If you plug a mac kybd into a PC, they are function keys
[02:59:49] <SWPadnos> the keyboard they had available didn't work for some reason I don't remember
[03:00:06] <Jymmm> what os?
[03:00:11] <SWPadnos> so I ended up pulling the one from the big Linux machine I had brought and used that
[03:00:15] <SWPadnos> Ubuntu 9.04
[03:00:26] <Jymmm> weird, works for me
[03:00:35] <SWPadnos> didn't matter - it might have been the feel or something
[03:00:37] <Jymmm> The thin apple one is AWESOME
[03:00:43] <SWPadnos> I hated it
[03:00:49] <Jymmm> I lust it
[03:00:54] <SWPadnos> enjoy
[03:01:01] <SWPadnos> I'll send you some handy-wipes
[03:01:02] <Jymmm> A modern replcement for the IBM
[03:01:12] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: Ok, cool - I need em
[03:01:24] <Jymmm> brb
[03:26:50] <Jymmm> back
[12:20:07] <cradek_> cradek_ is now known as cradek
[12:38:19] <archivist> hehe "thank you for your time and consideration. ... Someone told me that Mach is considering a similar addition to their product stream" what a way to gee up the devs
[12:59:23] <pjm__> archivist http://pjm.dyndns.org/psu.jpg - sick of tieing up variable v psu's !
[12:59:52] <archivist> heh
[13:00:09] <Valen> oh hey where would i go about getting a power supply?
[13:00:16] <Valen> ~36V ~1KW or so
[13:00:22] <Valen> more's better
[13:00:38] <Valen> 240V input
[13:00:45] <archivist> the only way I can drive an HP counter is a pile of variables, psu was missing
[13:00:48] <Valen> switchmode is good
[13:03:18] <archivist> I use a switcher here 480 W
[13:03:29] <Valen> whered you get it?
[13:03:33] <Valen> PC PSU?
[13:03:37] <archivist> Coutant Lambda
[13:03:54] <Valen> sounds expensive (for people other than you lol)
[13:04:03] <archivist> its an industrial one, freebee :)
[13:04:16] <Valen> see I tolds ya lol
[13:04:23] <Valen> probably $50000000 new
[13:04:28] <archivist> was expensive for someone just not me
[13:06:17] <archivist> company is now TDK Lambda
[13:07:12] <Valen> I'd like http://cgi.ebay.com.au/1000W-48V-20A-Switching-Power-Supply-Radio_W0QQitemZ190318518154QQcmdZViewItemQQptZAU_Security_Equipment?hash=item2c4fde1f8a&_trksid=p3286.m20.l1116
[13:07:22] <Valen> but the voltage is a little high for the mesa cards I thinks
[13:10:50] <archivist> mines an earlier on of these http://www.newark.com/tdk-lambda/dpp480241/switch-mode-power-supply/dp/83K3881
[13:11:33] <archivist> supposed to be 24 but has adjuster to 28, but gets to about 19.5
[13:11:40] <archivist> supposed to be 24 but has adjuster to 28, but gets to about 29.5
[13:12:07] <archivist> dunno if the latest has the adjuster available
[13:12:25] <Valen> hmmm might get a 24V and a 12V one and series them
[13:13:14] <malem-cnc> anyone compiled a kernel module for rtai?
[13:13:22] <SWPadnos> yes
[13:13:32] <Valen> I have 500W motors though, so I'm looking to get a little closer to it for that, the SMPSU's don't like surge currents too much
[13:13:34] <SWPadnos> RTAI or HAL?
[13:13:42] <malem-cnc> where is the source package?
[13:13:49] <Valen> what you trying to do?
[13:13:49] <malem-cnc> well, lets clarify
[13:14:03] <malem-cnc> I need the cp2101 module
[13:14:16] <SWPadnos> wgat is that?
[13:14:18] <SWPadnos> what
[13:14:40] <malem-cnc> it was apparently not selected as part of the emc 8.04 rtai package
[13:14:54] <malem-cnc> a usb-serial converter
[13:14:57] <Valen> The CP2101 is a highly-integrated USB-to-UART bridge controller
[13:15:07] <Valen> apparently
[13:15:14] <malem-cnc> yes, it is
[13:15:17] <Valen> how urgently you need it?
[13:15:28] <malem-cnc> very
[13:15:34] <Valen> might be cheaper for your time to get a "supported" usb>serial
[13:15:55] <malem-cnc> I sepnd the whole afternoon to have it work yesterday, without success
[13:16:32] <Valen> you shouldn't need the rtai source anyway
[13:16:45] <Valen> all you should need to do is compile the kernel module for that doohickey
[13:16:45] <SWPadnos> what are you planning on connecting to the cp2101?
[13:16:48] <malem-cnc> well, it should'nt be hard, it is part of the linux kernel sinc 2.6.16
[13:17:13] <malem-cnc> it is compiled, yet modprobe wont find it
[13:17:17] <Valen> you should just need the kernel headers then compile the module
[13:17:27] <Valen> did you stick it in the right spot?
[13:17:36] <malem-cnc> i think it is because I compiled from the non-rtai source
[13:18:06] <Valen> you will need the kernel headers for the rtai kernel but they should be gettable through apt
[13:18:09] <malem-cnc> stick it?
[13:18:21] <malem-cnc> I have these
[13:18:27] <eric_unterhausen> has to be rtai
[13:18:36] <Valen> you compiled it, did you put it in a location where modprobe can then find it
[13:18:52] <eric_unterhausen> when you "make install" it will put it in the wrong place otherwise
[13:19:05] <malem-cnc> well, I selected it via menuconfig, then issued make modules
[13:19:10] <Valen> kernel modules don't generally have a "make install"
[13:19:12] <malem-cnc> and make modules install
[13:19:26] <malem-cnc> yes, they do
[13:19:40] <Valen> oh thats easier, I thaught you were compiling the module itself from a source tarball or something
[13:19:46] <eric_unterhausen> if you do it manually you have to makedep
[13:19:47] <Valen> thats no fun ;->
[13:19:53] <malem-cnc> but, as, I get it, they were installed for non-rtai kernel
[13:20:29] <malem-cnc> makedep? should I google it?
[13:20:40] <Valen> different problem i think
[13:20:42] <eric_unterhausen> my memory is weak on that point
[13:21:08] <malem-cnc> dependency generator
[13:21:22] <Valen> I'd try possibly compiling the module from a source tarball, but then thats the way I know
[13:21:35] <eric_unterhausen> sorry wrong command
[13:21:47] <malem-cnc> hmm.. to link it against rtai stuff instead of standard kernel
[13:21:57] <malem-cnc> ?
[13:22:05] <Valen> basically yeah
[13:22:10] <Valen> but its not trivial
[13:22:27] <Valen> If your time is worth anything its probably easier to just get another usb>serial converter
[13:22:28] <malem-cnc> what I would need is the rtai sources
[13:22:32] <Valen> they are like $10
[13:22:46] <Valen> you only need the headers not the complete sources
[13:22:46] <malem-cnc> I just bought 4 of theese :(
[13:22:54] <eric_unterhausen> are you using the live cd?
[13:22:58] <Valen> you kept the reciepts right ;->
[13:23:08] <SWPadnos> malem-cnc, what are you planning on connecting via that adapter?
[13:23:21] <malem-cnc> I could make a menuconfig on the rtai sources
[13:23:30] <Valen> yah, anything RT isn't going to like/work with the USB stuff
[13:23:33] <malem-cnc> microcontroller
[13:23:49] <archivist> to do what
[13:24:10] <Valen> USB>Serial stuff (typically) has really horibble latency and jitter
[13:24:18] <malem-cnc> control DROs
[13:24:31] <malem-cnc> no timing critical stuff
[13:25:13] <Valen> if you can get into the menuconfig for the RT kernel that would be an idea
[13:25:16] <malem-cnc> I also whant to plug optical encoders on the mcu, and eventually sync it with emc
[13:25:21] <eric_unterhausen> it shouldn't be that hard, but you have to have a patched rtai kernel
[13:26:05] <malem-cnc> all what is missing is somthing like a linux-sources-rtai package
[13:26:18] <eric_unterhausen> are you using the live cd?
[13:26:25] <malem-cnc> so I should patch the sources?
[13:26:29] <Valen> I think the source for the RT kernel is in the repos
[13:26:30] <Valen> look at the RTAI on SMP stuff in the wiki, it has how to compile kernels etc
[13:26:30] <Valen> should get you close
[13:26:37] <malem-cnc> no 8.04 emc distro
[13:26:41] <malem-cnc> installed
[13:26:59] <Valen> take a look on the wiki for the SMP stuff
[13:27:20] <eric_unterhausen> so you built your own rtai kernel?
[13:27:27] <Valen> it tells you how to do a full kernel compile, If your only after a module then it should be fairly easy to get that from that point
[13:27:31] <malem-cnc> okay, I'll go read this
[13:28:16] <Valen> EMC as a DRO is working out ok on our machine, dad has made the new tool holder for the lathe on it
[13:28:26] <Valen> nice slide fitting dovetails and the like
[13:29:45] <malem-cnc> how is it interfaced?
[13:29:52] <malem-cnc> parallel?
[13:29:55] <Valen> MESA cards
[13:29:55] <malem-cnc> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?EMC_With_Custom_Kernel#Download_the_kernel_and_rtai_source_code
[13:29:59] <malem-cnc> bingo!
[13:30:05] <malem-cnc> thanks
[13:30:11] <Valen> Its going to be a CNC conversion soon
[13:31:24] <Valen> no worries
[13:31:25] <Valen> good luck
[13:31:49] <SWPadnos> /log
[13:31:59] <SWPadnos> argh
[13:37:21] <malem-cnc> its weird
[13:37:24] <malem-cnc> CONFIG_USB_SERIAL_CP2101=m
[13:37:30] <malem-cnc> http://linuxcnc.org/experimental/hardy/smp/config.i386
[13:38:15] <malem-cnc> shouldn't this mean that my module is already configured to be built
[13:39:43] <Valen> thats the SMP kernel though, the default one might be different
[13:40:12] <malem-cnc> I'll go see
[13:41:39] <malem-cnc> you're right
[13:41:51] <Valen> oooh i have magic voodoo lol
[13:41:56] <malem-cnc> so I'll try this deb first
[13:42:03] <malem-cnc> :)
[13:42:05] <Valen> do you have a SMP machine?
[13:42:12] <malem-cnc> not even!
[13:42:24] <Valen> the downside to using the SMP kernel is it needs a SMP version of EMC
[13:42:30] <malem-cnc> but, it should wokr anyway
[13:42:59] <Valen> it probably will but its a hassle, you wont automagically get updates to EMC
[13:43:03] <malem-cnc> okay, I<ll install the 3 package
[13:43:23] <Valen> your funeral lol
[13:43:31] <malem-cnc> is there a deb repository for these?
[13:43:40] <Valen> not that i know of
[13:43:45] <malem-cnc> for source.list
[13:43:47] <Valen> just download them then dpkg -i foo
[13:43:48] <malem-cnc> okay
[13:43:54] <SWPadnos> um. hold on a sec
[13:44:14] <malem-cnc> yeah, that is my first plan
[13:44:20] <SWPadnos> there's a thread on the emc-users list from last September, which talks about using the Arduino with EMC
[13:44:52] <malem-cnc> Yes I think I found it, but the chipset was ftdi
[13:44:54] <SWPadnos> in that thread, there are instructions on changing the kernel configuration and building your own kernel package (rather than just building the single module you need)
[13:44:58] <malem-cnc> ftdi works
[13:45:11] <SWPadnos> so change the procedure to enable CP2101 instead of FTDI ... :)
[13:46:05] <malem-cnc> yes, I already have the sources to do that, yet the cp2101 was included in the smp build, so it would be quicker
[13:46:17] <SWPadnos> could be
[13:46:24] <malem-cnc> compiling the kernel on this lame machin will take 4 hours
[13:46:27] <SWPadnos> heh
[13:46:31] <SWPadnos> so it's not SMP then :)
[13:46:42] <malem-cnc> nope, not even
[13:46:43] <malem-cnc> :P
[13:46:45] <SWPadnos> the SMP kernel might not boot, YMMV
[13:46:55] <malem-cnc> you think?
[13:47:02] <SWPadnos> unknown
[13:47:09] <SWPadnos> the DMP kernels aren't supported
[13:47:11] <SWPadnos> err
[13:47:13] <SWPadnos> SMP
[13:48:51] <malem-cnc> well we will know shortly
[13:52:23] <malem-cnc> reboot, brb
[13:55:33] <malem-cnc> [ 39.053632] /home/emcadmin/ubuntu-hardy/debian/build/custom-source-rtaismp/drivers/usb/serial/usb-serial.c: USB Serial support registered for cp2101
[13:55:33] <malem-cnc> [ 39.053710] cp2101 3-2:1.0: cp2101 converter detected
[13:55:37] <malem-cnc> :)
[13:55:58] <malem-cnc> must fix emc now
[14:00:14] <skunkworks_> m:
[14:00:17] <skunkworks_> heh
[14:09:49] <frallzor> anyone got some nice code to share for something the size of 60x60x20mm? =)
[14:13:15] <malem-cnc> yay! everything still works
[14:14:11] <malem-cnc> thanks Valen, Padnos, eric et. al.
[14:14:30] <malem-cnc> I added a feature request
[14:37:29] <frallzor> id like a live-cd with ubuntu 9.4 and emc. is that ok to request? =)
[14:37:37] <frallzor> 9.04 even
[14:37:54] <SWPadnos> no
[14:38:39] <frallzor> but I want a working touchscreen =(
[14:38:55] <SWPadnos> you may feel free to make one if you like, but we only release LiveCDs with LTS versions, which means 6.06, 8,04, and probably 10.04 next year
[14:39:19] <frallzor> If I knew how id make one and share =)
[14:39:34] <SWPadnos> does your touchscreen work on stock 8.04 (.1 or .2)?
[14:39:48] <frallzor> it "works"
[14:39:54] <frallzor> but it works on 9.04
[14:40:21] <frallzor> xy was flipped CCW and wouldnt change
[14:40:43] <frallzor> whatever I tried it wouldnt work, but on 9.04 no issues
[14:41:07] <frallzor> im pretty certain they both used the same evtouch
[14:41:08] <SWPadnos> is there an xorg.conf file that 9.04 generated that you could try on 8.04?
[14:41:41] <frallzor> i didnt use the xorg.conf in it, used a *.fdi
[14:41:54] <SWPadnos> what is a *.fdi?
[14:42:17] <frallzor> ill show what I did
[14:42:25] <SWPadnos> no, wait
[14:42:36] <frallzor> its a site that I used =)
[14:42:40] <SWPadnos> ok :)
[14:43:22] <frallzor> its the same as xorg.conf it seems, just that you didnt need to edit xorg.conf in 9.04
[14:43:32] <frallzor> used hal to load the *.fdi
[14:43:42] <frallzor> https://answers.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xorg/+question/48375
[14:44:08] <frallzor> all most at the end, the xml-looking rows
[14:45:18] <frallzor> its the same as i put in my xorg in 8.04 but formated for that type of way
[15:25:39] <malem-cnc> emc.error: emcStatusBuffer invalid err=3
[15:25:48] <malem-cnc> familiar?
[15:39:12] <frallzor> what does> cant do that "EMC_TRAJ_SET_TELEOP_ENABLE" in auto mode with the intepreter idle << mean
[15:42:44] <SWPadnos> were you trying to jog while a program was paused or something?
[15:43:05] <frallzor> nope trying to run the code thats there when you start emc
[15:43:31] <SWPadnos> with which config?
[15:43:39] <frallzor> my own
[15:44:47] <SWPadnos> a google search for "EMC_TRAJ_SET_TELEOP_ENABLE" yields this: http://www.opensource-archive.org/showthread.php?t=71529
[15:44:49] <frallzor> its a bit too big for the material i have but It shouldnt matter?
[15:46:04] <frallzor> isnt that guy saying he got it when trying to stop?
[15:46:35] <SWPadnos> I think he's saying that adding [TRAJ]NO_FORCE_HOMING=1 solved the problem
[15:47:03] <SWPadnos> but then again, I didn't read it all :)
[15:47:47] <frallzor> is he saying where to edit that then?
[15:48:23] <SWPadnos> anything that looks like that ([SOMETHING]OR_OTHER=xx) goes in the ini file
[15:48:40] <frallzor> and the ini goes where? =)
[15:48:52] <SWPadnos> are you really asking that question?
[15:49:00] <SWPadnos> if you made your own config, you have generated an ini file
[15:49:19] <frallzor> that doesbt mean I know where it is =)
[15:49:21] <frallzor> *doesnt
[15:49:25] <frallzor> i just use stepconf
[15:49:27] <SWPadnos> it's wherever you put it
[15:50:10] <SWPadnos> any changes you make will be erased the next time you run stepconf though, so you should either keep a list of things you've added, or make sure you're done with stepconf before editing it
[15:50:16] <frallzor> found it =)
[15:51:51] <frallzor> still same issue
[15:52:30] <frallzor> its some issue with the travel i think,
[15:52:58] <frallzor> is there a way to temp disable warnings?
[15:57:30] <SWPadnos> are you using halui?
[15:57:55] <frallzor> axis
[15:58:06] <frallzor> if I understand you correctly
[15:58:16] <SWPadnos> you don't :)
[15:58:24] <frallzor> then I dont know
[15:58:50] <SWPadnos> there's a checkbox in stepconf to enable halui. I think it's on the "advanced configuration" page, but I don't know exactly what it's called
[16:01:59] <frallzor> ill just try to make some code myself thatll fit my limits =)
[16:02:48] <SWPadnos> limits aren't the problem
[16:03:04] <SWPadnos> if they were, you'd be more likely to get an error with the word "limit" in it
[16:03:07] <frallzor> it get an error about limits bere that
[16:03:19] <frallzor> limits on my X
[16:03:27] <SWPadnos> oh. in that case maybe you have multiple issues
[16:03:48] <frallzor> thatll have to wait
[16:03:56] <frallzor> super thunderstorm here now =)
[16:04:06] <frallzor> so time to disconnect the mill :P
[16:04:10] <SWPadnos> in Italy?
[16:04:15] <frallzor> sweden =)
[16:04:21] <SWPadnos> ok
[16:04:36] <frallzor> what an insult, italian, baaah
[16:04:36] <SWPadnos> oh - telia.com, not telitalis :)
[16:04:39] <SWPadnos> telitalis
[16:04:41] <SWPadnos> a
[16:04:43] <SWPadnos> garg
[16:04:45] <SWPadnos> heh
[16:04:52] <SWPadnos> yeah, you would think so, wouldn't you? :)
[16:05:39] <frallzor> gotta love cibatool, it does like my mill
[16:05:53] <frallzor> 1000mm/min and 5mm at a time with perfect cuts
[16:07:30] <frallzor> btw, easiest way to do simple forms and stuff like letters and simple lines
[16:07:40] <SWPadnos> great
[16:07:41] <SWPadnos> bbl
[16:07:52] <frallzor> forgot my ? mark =)
[17:55:54] <geo01005> so I got my new Goal3+ motherboard installed, usb works now :)
[17:56:44] <SWPadnos> cool
[17:56:50] <SWPadnos> warrantee replacement?
[17:57:03] <geo01005> yeah, 30 days.
[17:57:29] <geo01005> it looks like the fan speed control still dosen't work though.
[17:57:41] <geo01005> it just must not work on the goal3+.
[17:58:41] <SWPadnos> fan speed control is an ACPI thing, so it's not expected to work completely under RTAI
[17:59:03] <SWPadnos> not by me anyway :)
[17:59:14] <geo01005> should work in the bios thought right?
[17:59:15] <SWPadnos> I usually just set the fans to the highest speed and leave it
[17:59:20] <SWPadnos> dunn
[17:59:21] <SWPadnos> o
[17:59:21] <geo01005> though.
[18:18:47] <geo01005> I'm looking for a three phase transformer, about 10KVA, that has a secondary voltage around 50 volts. Any ideas on where to find one?
[18:19:33] <SWPadnos> nope
[18:22:07] <geo01005> is it possible to use a transformer designed for 20KVA, primary 480, secondary 120, and use it on a primary on 208, to get 52 volts?
[18:22:54] <SWPadnos> probably
[18:23:40] <SWPadnos> I suspect there are some things to look out for, but I don't know what they are :)
[18:24:06] <SWPadnos> (things like not being as close to saturation may affect the output, but I don't know if that's necessarily a bad thing)
[18:24:13] <SWPadnos> at that power level though, you want to be sure
[18:24:50] <geo01005> yes, 10KVA will do much more than lite up and LED :)
[18:26:02] <Jymmm> lite up 2 led's
[18:26:14] <Jymmm> (maybe)
[18:49:00] <LawrenceG> BFL
[18:54:32] <Spida> there were pictures of a mmain transformer of a nuclear powerplant in germany that got a short during the start of the reactor... finger thick steel casing bent apart because of the pressure of the boiling oil....
[18:54:50] <Spida> *fump*
[18:57:43] <frallzor> someone can recommend a simple software for letters and simple objects?
[18:58:16] <frallzor> as simple as lines etc etc
[19:03:01] <frallzor> and... is it possible to jog xy in emc with arrows on the keyboard
[19:03:15] <frallzor> nm it worked, didnt work before =)
[19:37:14] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: BFL ?
[19:40:42] <LawrenceG> Big F'n Led's
[19:40:56] <Jymmm> lol
[19:41:06] <Jymmm> you mean that 10000000000000000000000000mm ones?
[19:41:16] <LawrenceG> I'd like to see a 5kw led
[19:41:48] <LawrenceG> led the size of a 50gal drum!
[19:41:49] <Jymmm> that would be cool
[20:16:52] <fenn> can a bandsaw cut at an angle like EDM or hot wire? and can the angle change through the cut?
[20:17:10] <eric_unterhausen> you can change the angle
[20:17:18] <fenn> during the cut?
[20:17:30] <eric_unterhausen> you have to ramp
[20:17:52] <eric_unterhausen> I suspect there have been cnc bandsaws that did this
[20:18:06] <archivist_attic> blade wont like an angle change
[20:18:20] <eric_unterhausen> there is some tolerance
[20:18:23] <fenn> i'm just trying to figure out how to represent this
[20:18:45] <eric_unterhausen> you could probably make a helix if you had a long enough part
[20:18:55] <fenn> right now i say the path the blade travels is either straight or on some tangent arc with a minimum radius
[20:19:12] <fenn> i guess it's just the same but with rotation added
[20:20:09] <eric_unterhausen> you should be able to do a vertical axis rotation that is related to the horizontal axis rotation, same concept
[20:21:11] <fenn> somehow this minimum radius is defined by the kerf width vs blade length
[20:21:26] <fenn> or does the blade actually flex in both directions?
[20:21:30] <eric_unterhausen> actually, I'm re-thinking :)
[20:27:37] <skunkworks_> set and blade thickness/depth would dictate how quick you could turn/angle.
[20:27:45] <skunkworks_> heh
[20:27:54] <skunkworks_> didn't see the last few lines
[20:35:51] <Jymmm> Hey guys, this is a nice fan for $40 fairly quiet compared to the old Patton 20" http://www.homedepot.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/ProductDisplay?storeId=10051&langId=-1&catalogId=10053&productId=100662921
[20:36:31] <Jymmm> you DO have to install the icluded back feet, or it'll tip backwards
[20:36:34] <eric_unterhausen> I want one of the newer whole house fans that has insulation/blast doors, but they are too expensive
[20:37:16] <Jymmm> Whatever you do avoid LASKO brand like the plague
[20:57:48] <pedersen> hi, i'm in the process of setting up a new homebuilt machine (JGRO - in a metric version)
[20:58:18] <bill2or3> hello.
[20:59:14] <pedersen> but i seem to have some adjustment problems, using the stepperconf. I use M8 threaded rod and 200 steps/rev steppers. But setting leadsrew pitch to 1.25 makes "a mm to large"
[20:59:39] <pedersen> does anybody have any suggestions as what to do
[20:59:41] <pedersen> ?
[21:00:36] <Jymmm> JGRO?
[21:00:38] <archivist> set metric not inch?
[21:00:47] <pedersen> a free plan from CNC zone
[21:00:51] <bill2or3> Jymmm, it's a MDF table-top sized router.
[21:00:59] <bill2or3> something like a Rockcliff..
[21:01:06] <pedersen> yes it is set to metric
[21:01:33] <Jymmm> link?
[21:01:36] <bill2or3> pedersen, are you using microstepping drivers?
[21:01:58] <pedersen> yes and running with just 2 microsteps
[21:02:01] <bill2or3> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=300
[21:02:12] <eric_unterhausen> it's m8x1?
[21:02:23] <bill2or3> so just half stepping?
[21:02:42] <pedersen> "standard M8 threaded rod"
[21:02:49] <pedersen> yes half stepping
[21:03:36] <archivist> 400 steps per rev then
[21:03:47] <bill2or3> with pulleys, or direct connection?
[21:03:51] <pedersen> when I set the pitch to around 1.5 it seems better but not quite there
[21:03:57] <pedersen> direct connection
[21:04:25] <pedersen> i think that the stepperconf handles 200 vs 400, when I set the microstepping setting?
[21:04:36] <bill2or3> yeah, it does.
[21:06:02] <bill2or3> pedersen, when I did mine I just moved it a few inches using the jog buttons, and counted the revs.
[21:06:10] <pedersen> it is an old box runing emc2, the ubuntu live cd, and it does complain about real time errors. But i don't think that thats the problem as its consistent
[21:06:16] <bill2or3> the screw I was using had two-starts, it'd thrown me off.
[21:07:12] <pedersen> ok - yes that sounds like a solution.
[21:07:37] <eric_unterhausen> obviously it's not the pitch
[21:07:53] <pedersen> but i was wandering if it might be me who had the pitch setting wrong?
[21:08:10] <frallzor> try 2mm them
[21:08:20] <eric_unterhausen> 1.25 does seem to be standard
[21:08:36] <frallzor> is it a american machine gone metric?
[21:09:03] <pedersen> yes american gone metric so to speak
[21:09:22] <bill2or3> I'd grab some calipers and count the threads, so you'll know for certain.
[21:13:02] <pedersen> the problem is that i build it in a workshop with proper tools, at home I dont have any calipers nor good tools... but i'll give at go at counting revs / trying 2mm for pitch.
[21:14:06] <bill2or3> heh, use a ruler, count like 4 inches worth, to minimize rounding errors.
[21:14:25] <bill2or3> err, s/4 inches/10 mm/
[21:14:31] <jepler> or 100mm as the case may be
[21:18:33] <jepler> if you measure and get 1.25 mm per thread, then the next thing you need to look at is whether the motors are taking the desired number of steps
[21:18:51] <jepler> instead of looking at the table position, look at something where you can tell whole revolutions, like the setscrew on the motor coupling
[21:18:57] <Jymmm> Hmmm, there USED to be a jepler in here a long time ago... vanished
[21:19:34] <jepler> command a movement that should do an integer number of revolutions. If it ends up in the wrong place, then it's time to look at stuff like step polarity and timing, velocity and acceleration -- maybe the pc isn't sending the right step pulses
[21:20:11] <bill2or3> I Sharpie'd a line on my leadscrew, to help count revs.
[21:20:24] <Jymmm> DTI
[21:20:33] <jepler> bill2or3: yeah that is a good idea too
[21:20:54] <jepler> 2 of my 3 axes have easily visible couplings, though the setscrew is a pretty wide mark
[21:21:02] <Jymmm> pedersen: where are you located on the planet?
[21:21:44] <jepler> now here's a web page not to browse from the office: Round Male and Female Vibration Mount on Minor Rubber
[21:21:57] <Jymmm> lol
[21:22:25] <jepler> (searching for info on M6 threads..)
[21:22:25] <Jymmm> jepler: url?
[21:22:34] <bill2or3> didn't you say M8?
[21:22:44] <jepler> http://minorrubber.thomasnet.com/viewitems/vibration-isolation-mounts-round-male-and-female/round-male-and-female-vibration-mount?&sortid=1032&measuresortid=256&pagesize=50
[21:22:52] <jepler> bill2or3: oops, yeah, pedersen said M8 and I started searching M6
[21:28:46] <pedersen> back, just had to do some measurements, sad to say that the pitch indeed is 1.25 but i had a lot of "play" in the z-axis
[21:29:32] <bill2or3> d'oh.
[21:29:42] <pedersen> yes doh indeed
[21:29:50] <bill2or3> just using a coupler-nut for the leadscrew?
[21:30:03] <bill2or3> or play in the rod-mount?
[21:30:14] <pedersen> play in the rod mount
[21:30:38] <bill2or3> add more washers. :-)
[21:30:47] <bill2or3> do you have pics online?
[21:31:15] <pedersen> yes pictures : http://rotand.dk/zen/cnc-build
[21:32:46] <bill2or3> nice woodshop.
[21:33:19] <pedersen> yes it a very nice shop, both wood and metal
[21:34:08] <pedersen> so to fix that play I'll use the shop rather than trying the washers solution...
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