#emc | Logs for 2009-07-09

[02:07:38] <Guest653> hello, i upgraded to emc2.3.1, im having a problem now , using ppmc with axis. debug info is HAL: ERROR:pin 'axis.3.motor-pos-fb' not found ppmc_servo.hal:20 link failed
[02:07:42] <Guest653> 5242
[02:07:50] <Guest653> pid tty stat time command
[02:08:49] <Guest653> any thoughts?
[02:09:10] <Guest653> my email is fx 109@adelphia.net, user name is steve10778 on the emc forums.
[02:09:29] <Guest653> i put a post up on there also.
[02:11:11] <Guest653> i can get emc2 to open up if i use axis sim, so maybe it is a pin that is labeled wrong with the new versions of emc and hardy 8.04? thanks to any who answer
[02:17:47] <dgarr> Guest653: is the parallel port connector plugged in?
[02:18:59] <dmess> the transition should be almost seemless... other than machine config
[02:49:33] <cradek> Guest653: how many axes does your machine have?
[03:03:07] <cradek> Guest653: axis.3 is usually "A" and if you don't have one, that is the problem; you would need to comment out or remove those lines from your hal file.
[03:13:14] <Jymmm> Axis get numbered starting at ZERO, not ONE
[07:16:56] <ds3> http://www.sakoman.com/images/gnome4.png
[07:19:06] <ds3> blah
[07:56:46] <alex_joni> ds3: ?
[08:10:32] <blinde_l> list
[08:11:51] <blinde_l> hallo
[08:12:30] <blinde_l> i'm new here is there anybody
[08:12:45] <toastyde1th> sort of
[08:12:45] <archivist> plenty
[08:14:29] <blinde_l> ok I have a problem
[08:14:59] <blinde_l> I want to boot emcliveCD from usb, but it doesnt work
[08:15:33] <blinde_l> the problem is, that i have no cd-rom
[08:22:27] <blinde_l> join #emc
[08:24:37] <archivist> someone did something with usb and mentioned the steps he went through
[08:25:17] <blinde_l> can anybody help me?
[08:28:49] <archivist> blinde_l, http://www.mail-archive.com/emc-users@lists.sourceforge.net/msg12295.html
[08:31:18] <blinde_l> the problem is, that I have no CD drive
[08:33:30] <Jymmm> blinde_l: Do you have a box that DOES have a cdrom?
[08:35:23] <blinde_l> Jymmm: no
[08:36:15] <Jymmm> What kind of computer do you have that doens't have a optical drive?
[08:36:34] <blinde_l> Jymm: It's an Copact PC
[08:36:59] <blinde_l> Jymm: available are usb, cf , lan
[08:37:11] <Jymmm> What is it?
[08:38:36] <blinde_l> jymm:http://www.aaeon.com/PD_Products_Detail_399AA43D6D854470B6_7E3AB0434DD24B939C_563505AE0ABC4BD689_TW_UTF-8.html
[08:39:24] <Jymmm> I'd suggest getting an USB optical drive and boot off of it.
[08:40:14] <blinde_l> jymm: other alternatives?
[08:40:36] <Jymmm> use a different computer
[08:40:51] <blinde_l> jymmm: ok
[08:41:50] <Jymmm> What size hdd do you have in it?
[08:42:31] <blinde_l> jymmm:40 GB
[08:43:29] <Jymmm> ok, that's fine.... you should be able to pick a usb hdd for around $35 USD
[08:43:43] <Jymmm> err USB optical
[08:44:14] <blinde_l> jymmm: what?
[08:44:25] <Jymmm> http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208718385&listingid=27126511&dcaid=17902
[08:44:36] <Jymmm> as example
[08:45:42] <blinde_l> jymmm: ok, thanks before I will use PC
[08:55:31] <EbiDK> EbiDK is now known as EbiDK|AWAY
[09:17:51] <blinde_l> quit
[09:23:29] <piasdom> g'mornin all
[10:21:07] <t> :[Global Notice] Hi, it seems the EU/US connectivity went for a moment there causing a rather noticable split. It seems stable now but we're investigating the cause. Sorry for the noise and thanks for using freenode! :)
[10:24:54] <Valen> you broke it
[10:25:07] <archivist> didnt
[10:25:17] <Valen> did to
[10:25:40] <archivist> no I did not..., I shall tell dad
[10:30:04] <archivist> * archivist blames Valen
[10:51:34] <anonimasu> :)
[12:27:26] <alex_joni> it was Valen
[12:27:31] <alex_joni> they said so in the wallop
[12:36:13] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT sings "Hi Ho Hi Ho it's off to work I go"
[12:36:41] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT is getting a wireless connection next week :)
[12:40:23] <skunkworks_> alex_joni: Nice!
[12:46:00] <anonimasu> awesome, I have a quote for rails :]
[12:46:08] <anonimasu> 300 eur a pair
[13:06:12] <Valen> well you lot should stop usin my mobile phone interwebs to run irc on
[13:06:36] <Valen> anonimasu there is a guy on ebay who gave us some ballscrews *really* cheap
[13:06:36] <Valen> new
[13:06:50] <Valen> linearmotionproducts I think?
[13:07:57] <Spida> but ballscrew != ballscrew, I would imagine?
[13:08:25] <Valen> didnt matter too much for us (using linear scales) but they look shiny ;->
[13:09:03] <Valen> comes down to how much you want to spend and how much time you have to fix it in software lol
[13:09:12] <anonimasu> Valen: this are new rails :)
[13:09:21] <Valen> so are these
[13:09:25] <Valen> brand new stuff he sells
[13:09:42] <Valen> send the dude a message and he makes an auction with your stuff in it or just paypal it direct
[13:09:50] <Valen> got our stuff about a week after ordering
[13:10:03] <Valen> (like, place order to on doorstep)
[13:10:08] <anonimasu> yep
[13:10:27] <anonimasu> linear scales wont make your machine perform is everyting else is crap :)
[13:10:40] <anonimasu> dunno, you get what you pay for.. :)
[13:10:53] <archivist> I need a some and the money to pay for
[13:10:56] <Valen> I think we got a total of about 2 meters of screw, 6 ballnuts and some couplers for about $200Au (~$160-180US)
[13:11:04] <anonimasu> that's a good price
[13:11:18] <Valen> your rails are bent anyway, its just a question of how much ;->
[13:11:23] <anonimasu> and the bearings 7200becbp for the ballscrew
[13:12:13] <Valen> got those from a local supplier for ~$60 for 3 sets of 2x axial contact and 1x normal
[13:13:05] <anonimasu> im buying my stuff off someone we deal with from work
[13:13:40] <anonimasu> im remote :)
[13:13:42] <anonimasu> (sweden)
[13:13:50] <Valen> I'm in australia
[13:14:00] <Valen> I know all about remote lol
[13:14:12] <anonimasu> but rails and stuff are probably cheap when imported from jaapn
[13:14:13] <anonimasu> japan
[13:14:23] <Valen> I can drive 100km and not actually manage to get to the other side of the city here lol
[13:14:53] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[13:15:10] <Valen> I think that guy is hongkong
[13:15:27] <anonimasu> ah, I see
[13:15:27] <Valen> no china sorry
[13:15:43] <Valen> I have his paypal thingo, not his ebay store lol
[13:16:57] <Valen> http://shop.ebay.com.au/merchant/linearmotionbearings2008_W0QQ_dmdZ1QQ_ipgZ50QQ_sopZ1?_rdc=1
[13:17:00] <Valen> thats the dude
[13:17:37] <Valen> yeah check http://cgi.ebay.com.au/3-sets-supported-rail-SBR16-300-750-1000mm-with-blocks_W0QQitemZ250422490511QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_0?hash=item3a4e57f58f&_trksid=p3911.c0.m14&_trkparms=65%3A1|66%3A2|39%3A1|293%3A1|294%3A50 for an indication
[13:17:59] <anonimasu> nice
[13:18:09] <anonimasu> oh..
[13:18:14] <anonimasu> thoose are ball bushing rails..
[13:18:31] <anonimasu> thoose are different beasts
[13:18:40] <Valen> he has lots of stuff
[13:18:42] <anonimasu> (sorry to be anal)
[13:19:18] <anonimasu> yeah, but no linear rails like the stuff I need
[13:19:31] <anonimasu> :)
[13:20:06] <Valen> ahh go the balls, you'll get a smoother cut ;->
[13:20:27] <anonimasu> haha
[13:21:10] <als> is the change to TkEMC.tcl that I propose touchy because this is in the Paul C portion of the code? sorry but I had to ask
[13:21:51] <anonimasu> it was like this self defence class instructor we had a course with once.. "go for the balls and poke them in the eyes"
[13:21:57] <anonimasu> and run.. :D
[13:22:38] <Valen> *wrong*
[13:22:51] <Valen> once they are down you kick em untill they stop trying to get up
[13:23:01] <Valen> ;->
[13:24:29] <archivist> hmm whats c7 tolerance
[13:24:38] <Valen> If the ball rails will take the load though would they not be good?
[13:25:05] <Valen> C7 is about the lowest you would use if your trying to do stuff I think
[13:25:27] <Valen> Its the same as T7 by my recollection
[13:25:38] <archivist> rattling fit
[13:25:47] <anonimasu> Valen: if you look at a lathe where you have the front rail as a pivot point
[13:26:06] <Valen> yah
[13:26:31] <anonimasu> and you have ball bushings, you end up with torque around the first one trying to lift the second rail with the carriage as a lever
[13:26:51] <Valen> still not really seeing a problem
[13:26:58] <Valen> sliding rails will do the same
[13:27:10] <Valen> you won't be trying them to counteract torque
[13:27:14] <anonimasu> they are constrained in more directions
[13:29:08] <Valen> yeah but you dont need that?
[13:29:21] <anonimasu> want and need are two different things
[13:29:22] <anonimasu> :)
[13:29:52] <Valen> I was under the impression that a ball based slide is better than a sliding type slide in terms of accuracy?
[13:30:10] <anonimasu> I guess it's a cash issue..
[13:30:21] <anonimasu> skf ball slides cost about the same as linear rails
[13:30:51] <Valen> and these guys? ;->
[13:31:11] <anonimasu> Valen: did you measure how accurate they are?
[13:31:12] <anonimasu> :)
[13:31:12] <Valen> I'd be tempted to use their stuff, then upgrade the rails later if you need it
[13:31:26] <anonimasu> I Would be too, but the shipping kills me
[13:31:50] <anonimasu> also, 300 eur for 2 rails and carriages(that's good)
[13:32:15] <anonimasu> 375$
[13:33:09] <archivist> c7 does not appear to mean preload for a ball screw, ie it can have backlash
[13:33:44] <anonimasu> archivist: got any idea about linear rails versus linear ball guides?
[13:34:37] <archivist> not at the moment
[13:34:55] <anonimasu> I see :)
[13:38:44] <Valen1> damn interwebs
[13:39:06] <anonimasu> wb
[13:39:10] <anonimasu> http://www.io23.net/ul/files/LGW%2025%20CC%20.png
[13:39:39] <Valen1> mmm?
[13:39:56] <Valen1> (23:31:41) Valen: all slides are bent anyway, you have to straighten them all anyway ;-> is the last thing i saw
[13:40:19] <anonimasu> logger_emc: bookmark
[13:40:19] <anonimasu> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2009-07-09.txt
[13:40:48] <Valen1> yeah but i don't want to download lots of stuff on this damn mobile phone interwebs
[13:42:14] <anonimasu> hm, weird you kept talking after it died
[13:43:06] <anonimasu> well, im gonna go for the rails, beacuse they are easy to get :)
[13:43:21] <Valen1> i'm skilled like that
[13:43:22] <Valen1> Valen1 is now known as Valen
[13:43:24] <anonimasu> I love the load rating on theese slides :]
[13:43:49] <anonimasu> 53kN :]
[13:44:03] <Valen> 's not bad
[13:44:04] <Valen> bbl
[13:44:25] <anonimasu> indeed
[13:44:26] <anonimasu> im impressed
[13:44:27] <anonimasu> laters
[15:04:44] <anonimasu> the question is wether I should design in space for a linear scale.
[15:15:43] <anonimasu> this machine will get complex to draw with all stuff
[15:28:15] <Valen> I reckons its worth planning it all out first
[15:28:26] <Valen> nothing worse than having crappy tacked on bits
[15:28:51] <archivist> hey be nice to my milling machine
[15:29:08] <Valen> We should have ours up and running in a month or two, so there might be a bit more knowlage about linear scales + EMC floating about then
[15:29:30] <Valen> hey you havent seen the bastard addition we are doing to ours to get a 0 backlash head movement lol
[15:30:10] <archivist> I jacked up the column last week on a cast iron block
[15:30:22] <Valen> its a normal rotary pully handly type thingie that we are going to just bypass and stick a bolt on Z axis drive that clamps onto the quill onto the side
[15:30:50] <Valen> has like 800 components
[15:30:54] <archivist> week or two before added angles and webs to stiffen
[15:31:16] <anonimasu> :)
[15:31:31] <anonimasu> im gonna try to design with cable chains and central lubing
[15:31:42] <Valen> cable chains?
[15:31:50] <anonimasu> http://www.solectro.se/Archive/Images/Products/244/kabelkedja.jpg
[15:31:55] <archivist> adding stiffening made a huge difference
[15:33:47] <Valen> ahh bungie cords off the roof you mean ;->
[15:35:13] <anonimasu> haha, under the slide
[15:35:25] <Valen> yeah I want to do that
[15:35:38] <Valen> but want to get it working first
[15:36:16] <anonimasu> but doing like I do things now requires drawing everything
[15:36:42] <Valen> every minute you spend drawing saves you 2 in the shop is my feeling
[15:37:01] <archivist> wouldnt be cutting metal if I had drawn it all :)
[15:37:57] <archivist> and... gained experience in machine building that I can use in a real design
[15:39:45] <anonimasu> true
[15:41:30] <anonimasu> http://www.io23.net/ul/files/lathe121.png
[15:41:31] <anonimasu> :)
[15:41:46] <Valen> bed time for I
[15:41:55] <anonimasu> rest time for me
[15:42:02] <anonimasu> thoose damn carraiges was a mess
[15:42:02] <anonimasu> :)
[15:42:06] <archivist> still at work here
[15:48:58] <archivist> anonimasu, you could place the headstock in the same grooves the rails go in for alignment
[16:18:20] <tomp> tomp is now known as tom3p
[16:18:20] <tom3p> i havent seen much activity in SVG recently. today Freshmeat had this http://jsxgraph.uni-bayreuth.de/wp/. very slick, i've always wanted a browser front end for cnc with scriptable interface.
[16:19:26] <archivist> thats fast!!
[16:28:26] <alex_joni> 229 - 1 = ?
[16:29:31] <archivist> what size of 1
[16:29:50] <alex_joni> Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on
[16:29:56] <alex_joni> /dev/md2 229G 915M 217G 1% /
[16:31:52] <archivist> those maths are near enough for disk calculations
[16:31:56] <alex_joni> ;)
[16:32:16] <archivist> where 1k=1024
[16:32:22] <archivist> etc
[17:03:41] <anonimasu> archivist: ah, I've thought about just doweling that in place
[17:14:59] <archivist> only one direction matters, then you only need machine the grooves as the housing is then related to the mounts the rails are on
[17:17:09] <anonimasu> I am accepted to engineering at the university this fall :]
[17:17:58] <archivist> machine building thesis coming up?
[17:18:37] <anonimasu> haha, in 4 years
[17:18:52] <anonimasu> 5 years
[17:18:55] <anonimasu> actually
[17:18:56] <archivist> or Ive already made x give me my certificates please
[17:19:33] <anonimasu> I still need all the math :)
[17:19:55] <archivist> maffs is a pain
[17:37:05] <anonimasu> indeed :)
[18:34:51] <skunkworks_> cradek: didn't you get a homing thump when you had threads in the wrong order?
[18:34:54] <skunkworks_> on the lathe
[18:38:47] <gene> Hi guys
[18:39:24] <cradek> skunkworks_: maybe it was following error - not sure
[18:40:27] <gene> I'm back to playing with this. I can see some #3 signals in halscope, but the signals are fixed, no response from the keypad. Ideas?
[18:48:34] <gene> I can add the 3rd signals in joypad_v3.hal for everything but the "net vel(axis)" stuff, but that is an error & won't let either halrun do the loadusr or emc start.
[18:49:26] <gene> Obviously I'm missing a pre-req, but what?
[18:57:13] <gene> Hummmm, now halrun accepts it, WTF? And the jog axis I want to use for A shows up as "3 float OUT -1 input.0.abs-x-position"
[18:58:29] <gene> which of course isn't the working x axis. How do I wire that up in joypad.hal so it runs the A axis?
[19:14:27] <Jymmm> Has anyone ever heard of LANTECH switches? http://www.lantechcom.tw/files/datasheet/SI-Eng/Smart%20Switch/Lantech_GE-24F4GBW_eng.pdf
[19:17:53] <gene> Got it, for the A axis, the joypad_v3.hal statement is: net velA input.0.abs-x-position => joyhandle.3.in
[19:18:07] <gene> and the A axis runs as directed.
[19:20:32] <gene> However, it runs very slowly, how do I scale that, in the "setp joyhandle.3.scale 1.0" statement?
[19:23:54] <gene> Yup, change 1.0 to 100 gets me higher that th1e motor can run. Kewl!
[19:26:31] <alex_joni> heh, http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html
[19:30:07] <Jymmm> wth, where's the DL link damnit!
[19:41:11] <anonimasu> should I chicken out and just go with gang tooling?
[20:13:43] <alex_joni> good night all
[20:14:12] <Jymmm> G'Night alex
[20:15:15] <anonimasu> night alex
[20:15:57] <Jymmm> alex_joni: See you in an hour or so =)
[20:37:24] <anonimasu> http://www.io23.net/ul/files/lathe_concept.png
[20:39:23] <toastyde1th> anonimasu: wat
[20:39:35] <toastyde1th> why are both those on the same Z carriage yet on seperate X carriages
[20:39:57] <anonimasu> uh?
[20:39:58] <anonimasu> they arent
[20:40:20] <anonimasu> because carriages are so damn expensive
[20:40:28] <anonimasu> :)
[20:41:01] <anonimasu> oh, you mean no plate on top?
[20:41:04] <anonimasu> I didnt design that yet
[20:43:28] <toastyde1th> ohh, okay
[20:43:44] <anonimasu> I need to make the bearing mounts and stuff too
[20:44:02] <anonimasu> though for the X axis, I wont have a rear support for the screw as the other axis
[20:50:21] <fenn> the slab is a bad idea
[20:50:26] <fenn> not stiff enough
[20:50:35] <archivist> I keep saying that too
[20:51:30] <toastyde1th> weld a box up with internal webbing
[20:51:50] <anonimasu> give me a oven big enough to stick it in after welding
[20:53:14] <mozmck_work> would needling the welds be good enough?
[20:54:01] <fenn> that's about 1 meter square right?
[20:54:08] <anonimasu> 500mm
[20:54:16] <anonimasu> and 30mm thick
[20:54:19] <fenn> ok, get a barbecue...
[20:54:42] <archivist> bricks around it
[20:55:05] <fenn> or i suppose you could do something with epoxy+granite
[20:55:19] <skunkworks_> fenn!
[20:55:22] <anonimasu> or I could leave it as is and make provisions for making a webbing later on or casting a base..
[20:55:26] <fenn> hi skunkworks_
[20:56:42] <EbiDK> EbiDK is now known as EbiDK|AWAY
[20:59:31] <skunkworks_> so - I found out the 'life time warrantee' on a car axle (axle with joints on each end) is only life time for the first one. The replacement only has a 90 day warrantee
[21:04:12] <toastyde1th> clever
[23:01:34] <SWPLinux> argh. I've forgotten so much math that I can't find the square root of (a^2-b^2)
[23:01:49] <SWPLinux> I know the factors are (a+b) (a-b)
[23:01:56] <SWPLinux> (so don't tell me that :) )
[23:03:46] <dmess> use a calculator ;)
[23:04:02] <Jymmm> a + b +1
[23:04:16] <SWPLinux> I'm not sure even my HP symbolic caluclator would give me a simplified form of that
[23:04:46] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: Google bitch... http://forums.wolfram.com/mathgroup/archive/1998/Mar/msg00137.html
[23:05:02] <SWPLinux> I've reduced one example of the polygon turning thing to an equation of this form
[23:05:19] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: The answer is.... a + b +1
[23:05:40] <SWPLinux> hmmm
[23:06:39] <SWPLinux> that clearly doesn't work if a=b
[23:07:08] <SWPLinux> sqrt(0) = 0, and sqrt(2a+1) probably doesn't
[23:07:12] <Jymmm> Ok fine.... the answer is.... 42
[23:07:16] <SWPLinux> hmmm
[23:07:23] <SWPLinux> sqrt(42) is a constant ;)
[23:07:45] <Jymmm> -1
[23:07:56] <SWPLinux> i
[23:07:58] <SWPLinux> i i i i
[23:08:53] <Jymmm> wtf... netgear smart switches are web only. argh
[23:09:05] <SWPLinux> hmmm
[23:09:12] <SWPLinux> I thought mine had a serial port on it
[23:09:29] <Jymmm> SWPHa! lucky to find that at all
[23:09:40] <SWPLinux> if you're searching on NewEgg or similar, you may have to select managed swtches rather than smart switch
[23:09:57] <Jymmm> I wasn't, looking at netgear.com
[23:10:03] <SWPLinux> ok
[23:10:37] <Jymmm> they have a lifetime warranty
[23:10:40] <Jymmm> eh
[23:10:44] <SWPLinux> oh. cool
[23:11:31] <Jymmm> I went to see this today... no serial, no telnet, no snmp, no way. http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/sys/1256688087.html
[23:13:47] <SWPLinux> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122156
[23:14:20] <SWPLinux> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833122222
[23:14:26] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: Insert credit card here --> [ ]
[23:14:57] <Jymmm> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/1260768553.html
[23:17:46] <SWPLinux> I'll have to look at mine when I get home
[23:19:40] <dmess> dude the anser is 0
[23:21:18] <cradek> haha
[23:21:54] <cradek> sqrt(a^2-b^2) is simplified - I don't understand what you're trying to do
[23:22:30] <SWPLinux> well, a and b aren't really that simple, I just thought it might help to get it into that form
[23:23:08] <SWPLinux> I think you get two faces for each multiple of spindle speed the cutting tool spins at
[23:23:57] <SWPLinux> and it may be the case that you need a 3-point tool to get the 6-face stuff in the FC-1540 video
[23:25:06] <cradek> are you hoping to try doing that?
[23:25:13] <SWPLinux> some day, yes
[23:25:19] <cradek> neat.
[23:25:23] <SWPLinux> I'm also just trying to figure it out :)
[23:26:14] <Jymmm> SWPLinux: http://sfbay.craigslist.org/pen/sys/1252674969.html
[23:27:54] <SWPLinux> I bet that cluster is about as fast as a single Phenom II 955 (or close enough)
[23:28:16] <SWPLinux> or a core i7 of some sort
[23:28:22] <Jymmm> I just want the switch out of all that
[23:28:26] <Jymmm> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/sys/1256697082.html
[23:28:34] <Jymmm> Cheap 24 port 10/100
[23:28:36] <Jymmm> ^^^^
[23:28:39] <Jymmm> $20
[23:29:32] <SWPLinux> that is cheap
[23:29:46] <Jymmm> If anyone is interested in that, let me know I went down there today,
[23:29:55] <Jymmm> I can pickup for you
[23:30:14] <SWPLinux> it's just a 10/100 switch though, not managed or with a serial port or anything
[23:30:32] <Jymmm> exactly, thsu why $20 =)
[23:30:40] <SWPLinux> heh
[23:31:54] <Jymmm> But a $20 24 switch beats a $30 8 port one
[23:32:34] <SWPLinux> cradek: in case you're interested, I boiled down the effective cut radius to sqrt((D+R)^2-4*D*Rsin^2(theta))
[23:32:59] <SWPLinux> where D is the distance between work and live tool centers of rotation, and R is the radius of the tool
[23:35:40] <SWPLinux> what I haven't figured out yet is the "flatness" of that line
[23:38:17] <Jymmm> I'm almost pondering picking one up for $20
[23:38:27] <Jymmm> It comes with rack mount brackets
[23:38:33] <SWPLinux> you probably have enough 10/100 switches ...
[23:38:41] <SWPLinux> if not I can send you one or two :)
[23:39:04] <Jymmm> I have like 4 port ones, and one 8 port gig, but no rack mount
[23:39:18] <Jymmm> the gig switch is full =(
[23:39:32] <SWPLinux> do the ears widen it out to full rack width?
[23:39:36] <SWPLinux> they said it's 10" wide
[23:39:46] <Jymmm> There are rack-mounting plates, which allows user to rack the FE-2400 on a 19’ rack chassis.
[23:39:52] <Jymmm> yep
[23:40:10] <Jymmm> auto mux too
[23:40:14] <Jymmm> MDI
[23:40:19] <SWPLinux> yep
[23:40:24] <Jymmm> built in PS too
[23:40:33] <Jymmm> no fucking walwart
[23:40:46] <Jymmm> that in itself is woth the $20 almost! lol
[23:41:02] <Jymmm> I have a 15 outlet strip full under my desk
[23:52:08] <SWPLinux> ok. battery about to die, so it's time to sign off
[23:52:11] <SWPLinux> see you later