#emc | Logs for 2009-04-23

[00:18:53] <eric_unterhausen> I was riding my bike in bear country, and I thought I heard one
[00:19:03] <eric_unterhausen> decided not to circle back to find out
[00:23:15] <eric_unterhausen> it would be cool to see one if it wasn't dangerous
[00:25:51] <JymmmEMC> Popeye's Chicken Earth Day Special... 8 pieces (2 each) for $4.99
[00:29:49] <ds3> JymmmEMC: is thaat today?
[00:29:59] <JymmmEMC> Yeah, TODAY ONLY
[00:30:36] <JymmmEMC> ds3: Either off of Saratoga or Capital
[00:30:58] <ds3> Hmmmm
[00:31:21] <ds3> which one on capital? by 87?
[00:31:43] <JymmmEMC> http://maps.google.com/maps?um=1&ie=UTF-8&q=popeyes+chicken&near=San+Jose,+CA&fb=1&split=1&gl=us&view=text&ei=0LbvSa-fMZ_qtQP26vnYCg&sa=X&oi=local_group&resnum=4&ct=more-results&cd=1
[00:32:14] <JymmmEMC> C or D, I went to D
[00:33:32] <JymmmEMC> ds3: If you go, bring a friend, each get a boc of chicken for $5.45
[00:33:38] <JymmmEMC> box
[00:33:38] <ds3> that one
[00:34:28] <ds3> I am closer to B/E
[00:35:33] <JymmmEMC> ds3: Ah, ok. Just thought I'd pass on the special to everyone =) You can't beat 16 pcs of chicken for $11 (if you bring a friend)
[00:35:56] <ds3> indeed... that is a good price
[00:36:08] <ds3> I am tempted to drive out to the campbell one
[00:36:39] <JymmmEMC> I didn't know there was one in Campbell
[00:36:51] <ds3> isn't the saratoga one officially in campbell?
[00:37:00] <JymmmEMC> No, SJ
[00:37:58] <ds3> the border between sjc and campbell is strange...used to go between the two cities just driving straight
[00:40:06] <JymmmEMC> yeah, it's just on the edge, might even be County area
[00:40:39] <eric_unterhausen> the bear is going to be disappointed, no chicken
[00:41:44] <JymmmEMC> eric_unterhausen: the bear?
[00:42:15] <eric_unterhausen> see my previous post about riding my bike past what sounded like a bear
[00:43:05] <JymmmEMC> ah, understand
[00:43:13] <JymmmEMC> better chicken that eric's =)
[00:43:20] <eric_unterhausen> you reminded me that I missed 50 cent iced coffee day though
[01:14:20] <skunkworks> garage delivered today... some assembly required.
[01:16:04] <skunkworks> spent the last hour drilling a 2 inch hole thru the rim joist of the house so I can have a little power by the garage. Old house rim joist was over 8 inches thick solid. Pain when your hole saw can only drill 1 inch deep.
[01:43:30] <eric_unterhausen> fun
[01:47:36] <skunkworks> drill - chisle - drill - chisle
[01:48:02] <eric_unterhausen> I bought a big, honkin' drill at Lowes
[01:48:34] <eric_unterhausen> I don't know if it would be big enough, might have to drill two holes
[01:49:01] <eric_unterhausen> IIRC, it was $30 and at least 10" long
[01:58:45] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks: Dude... chainsaw
[01:58:59] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks: never said it had to be a ROUND hole =)
[01:59:39] <eric_unterhausen> there used to be a guy around here that did nice carving with a chainsaw
[01:59:47] <eric_unterhausen> don't think he could make a 2" hole though
[02:01:28] <skunkworks> you could maybe do it - if the bar was about 2 inches thick. slowly spin the chainsaw as you push the nose in. Can you say kickback>
[02:01:30] <skunkworks> ?
[02:01:33] <skunkworks> ;)
[02:03:06] <eric_unterhausen> there are chain mortisers
[02:03:18] <eric_unterhausen> for post/beam house construction
[02:27:07] <fenn> skunk why not just drill a ring of small holes
[02:27:16] <fenn> then connect the dots
[02:27:28] <fenn> or enlarge the holes until they touch
[02:28:07] <fenn> though really i dont see the problem with a bigass drill bit
[02:58:16] <ds3> p
[03:59:07] <Martyn> first corn of the season ...mmmmm
[03:59:14] <Martyn> Farmer's market rocks
[07:09:21] <toastyde1th> toastyde1th is now known as toastydeath
[07:19:42] <pjm__> good morning
[07:20:38] <micges> good morning
[07:50:40] <tomp> hello, how fast is the emc servo upate loop?
[07:51:11] <JymmmEMC> Mach 2.3
[07:51:15] <JymmmEMC> *shrug*
[07:51:51] <micges> tomp: 1kHz
[08:12:20] <alex_joni> tomp: but you can change that
[08:12:29] <alex_joni> I think there are machines running at 5kHz
[08:15:24] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: !!!!!
[08:16:27] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: ?????
[08:16:38] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: logger v2?
[08:16:49] <alex_joni> v3 ftw
[08:17:00] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: how so?
[08:17:06] <alex_joni> dunno :)
[08:17:14] <alex_joni> don't feel like v2-ing anything atm :D
[08:17:18] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: you didnt see my link?
[08:17:29] <alex_joni> I saw it ;)
[08:17:46] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: and you grabbed a local copy right?
[08:18:15] <alex_joni> err.. not really ;)
[08:18:25] <alex_joni> can you put a diff on codepad ?
[08:18:26] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: Come on dude...
[08:18:40] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is at work, kinda busy
[08:18:41] <JymmmEMC> I gave aoo the details
[08:18:44] <JymmmEMC> all
[08:18:58] <JymmmEMC> ah
[08:19:17] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: it's just two lines that need to be changed
[08:19:52] <alex_joni> I looked at line 411
[08:19:56] <alex_joni> as you said...
[08:20:02] <alex_joni> err.. 431
[08:20:16] <JymmmEMC> keep reading what I said
[08:20:17] <alex_joni> 431: return(@results);
[08:20:36] <alex_joni> and 657: my @uris = getURI($msg);
[08:20:41] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: I closed the window already, gimme the link to the codepad
[08:20:44] <alex_joni> didn't look relevant
[08:20:58] <alex_joni> I think I see it at 671-673
[08:21:02] <alex_joni> http://codepad.org/0Y0iOgEr
[08:21:28] <alex_joni> 634 & 672?
[08:21:42] <JymmmEMC> you sure thats the right link?
[08:21:50] <JymmmEMC> ah there it is...
[08:22:28] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: yep
[08:22:41] <JymmmEMC> 633 was the original, change it to 634
[08:22:51] <alex_joni> minor nag, when I hack these, I usually put a #FIXME-AJ before the change
[08:22:56] <alex_joni> so I can easily find it :)
[08:23:07] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: Did you read the top?
[08:23:25] <alex_joni> nope :D
[08:23:25] <JymmmEMC> I've prefixed each change with '###' so it'll be # easier for you to review
[08:23:51] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: Lines 3 - 13
[08:24:22] <alex_joni> too bad searching for ### brings also #############################################################################
[08:24:30] <JymmmEMC> '### '
[08:24:49] <JymmmEMC> next time #--
[08:25:01] <alex_joni> better #JYMM ;)
[08:25:08] <JymmmEMC> whatev
[08:25:14] <alex_joni> that's unlikely to come up anyways
[08:25:17] <alex_joni> yeah, hang on
[08:26:31] <JymmmEMC> logger_emc:
[08:26:31] <JymmmEMC> I'm logging. I don't understand '', JymmmEMC. Try /msg logger_emc help
[08:26:38] <JymmmEMC> logger_emc: log
[08:35:33] <archivist> ew 1360 lines for a logger
[08:43:04] <ChanServ> [#emc] "This is the #emc channel - talk related to the Enhanced Machine Controller and general machining. Website: http://www.linuxcnc.org/, wiki at http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/"
[08:43:07] <alex_joni> hi logger_emc
[08:43:15] <alex_joni> logger_emc: bookmark
[08:43:15] <alex_joni> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2009-04-23.txt
[08:43:34] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: better?
[08:43:36] <JymmmEMC> nice
[08:43:58] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: Google should pick that up perfectly, ty!
[08:44:11] <archivist> I log to a database so I can add searching
[08:45:37] <JymmmEMC> archivist: Google already indexes the logs, just modifying the timestamp
[08:46:32] <JymmmEMC> archivist: http://www.google.com/search?q=archivist+site%3Alinuxcnc.org
[08:47:16] <archivist> Im about to fix the viewing side so viewing across a date boundary is far better
[09:11:52] <pjm__> the poll "EMC Version you are using " needs emc 2.3.x adding !
[09:12:37] <archivist> do we ever see any results from the poll, does the poll do anything for us
[09:12:51] <pjm__> makes an interesting graph
[09:15:36] <pjm__> i wonder what the estimated global useage of EMC2 is, its probably very hard to tell
[09:16:26] <archivist> I think the map helps there
[09:16:47] <pjm__> perhaps but again that depends on user interaction
[09:16:48] <archivist> and perhaps download stats
[09:17:36] <pjm__> i guess there is a high percentage of EMC machines that are not internet enabled too
[09:21:45] <archivist> I just checked if my emc box had any internet jobs queued http://askmonty.org/buildbot/waterfall?branch=5.1
[09:26:16] <pjm__> yeah thats a nice display
[09:27:42] <archivist> refresh
[09:28:50] <archivist> that means a bunch of remote machines can build and test some code
[09:30:07] <archivist> I know one or two solaris boxes will get added there this weekend
[09:44:10] <piasdom> g'mornin all
[09:50:52] <alex_joni> archivist: http://emc2-buildbot.colorado.edu/buildbot/waterfall
[09:51:55] <archivist> alex_joni, nice to know :)
[09:52:05] <archivist> all greens :)
[09:54:23] <alex_joni> some oranges
[09:54:31] <alex_joni> warnings on builds
[09:56:04] <archivist> true, I was looking at the top line
[09:59:55] <archivist> main site should point to http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?EMC2_Development and that could point to buildbot info for those that want to help
[13:32:13] <jepler> * jepler debates between getting a "loose" mpg (just the wheel) or a full pendant with knobs, buttons, and enclosure
[13:32:31] <jepler> it's nearly 3x as much for the full pendant at the site I'm looking at
[13:32:41] <cradek> what site?
[13:32:52] <jepler> cnc4pc.com
[13:32:54] <archivist> make instead
[13:33:47] <archivist> damned intro is enough to send you away
[13:33:55] <jepler> yeah I hate that kind of crap too
[13:35:42] <jepler> If I tried to make the rest of the pendant it would end up sucking
[13:36:39] <cradek> I think the AXIS integration is better than these separate x/y/z/1/10/100 knobs
[13:37:04] <cradek> if you also think that, all you need is to mount the wheel somewhere.
[13:37:28] <BJT-Work> it is real handy to have an axis selector next to the mpg
[13:37:40] <cradek> if the mpg is next to the keyboard, you pretty much do
[13:37:42] <jepler> I'm never out of reach of the keyboard on my system, though
[13:37:53] <cradek> jeff's machine is small and he wouldn't need to follow the tool around with the pendant in hand.
[13:38:00] <BJT-Work> ahh ok
[13:38:34] <jepler> .125ft3 working volume
[13:39:02] <jepler> .. or about one gallon
[13:39:06] <BJT-Work> I'm thinking like my mill where I have to go to the screen and select an axis then put my head in position to see it move and the mpg is on the x slide
[13:39:23] <BJT-Work> sounds like the keyboard is bigger than the mill jepler
[13:39:44] <jepler> what would be awesome is 3 light-up pushbuttons for axis select
[13:40:07] <cradek> yeah, especially if you could work them without looking at them.
[13:40:09] <jepler> so the gui and the mpg would both share the same "active axis", and both would indicate it too
[13:40:36] <BJT-Work> when you press one it lights up and when you press the next on the prev one goes out and the new one comes on?
[13:40:41] <jepler> right
[13:40:53] <BJT-Work> that would be cool
[13:40:53] <jepler> and if you hit "x" on the keyboard the light changes too
[13:41:06] <cradek> or if you jog with an arrow key
[13:41:08] <BJT-Work> that would be real nice
[13:46:51] <jepler> ugh, I can't see shipping rates on cnc4pc without creating an account
[13:47:07] <Valen> i hate that
[13:47:47] <Valen> I'm probably going to do a cheapy conversion on our existing mill, then look at doing a better one starting from scratch
[13:48:08] <Valen> still, I hope to get decent accuracy with the existing leadscrews by using those linear scales
[13:48:14] <BJT-Work> last time I ordered from cnc4pc the rates were ok
[13:49:38] <cradek> Valen: what kind of existing scerws?
[13:53:02] <Valen> acme
[13:53:49] <cradek> acme have too much backlash for that to work.
[13:54:14] <Valen> we are going to put an anti backlash nut type arangment on it
[13:54:24] <cradek> also, you can't climb mill, which is very important on a cnc
[13:54:39] <cradek> oh, interesting, what kind of setup?
[13:55:07] <Valen> the simple kind, a second acme nut and a bigass spring
[13:55:12] <cradek> BJT-Work: you could make your fortune selling these miracle devices: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320359594296
[13:55:27] <Valen> why cant we climb mill?
[13:55:45] <Valen> we are planning on putting a gas strut or something to take the backlash out of the quill
[13:55:48] <cradek> because the cutting forces will pull the work into the cutter because the table is loose
[13:56:40] <Valen> the table shouldn't be "loose"
[13:56:46] <cradek> your spring arrangement may make it ok for very light cutting
[13:56:58] <Valen> provided the spring force is > than the force from the cutter it should be ok
[13:57:07] <Valen> by spring i am thinking car valve spring btw
[13:57:35] <cradek> how long do you think the nuts will last with that kind of force on them?
[13:58:28] <Valen> the "backlash" nut we are thinking to lathe out of delrin
[13:58:33] <Valen> moderatly hard plastic
[13:58:40] <Valen> it will be somewhat "disposable"
[13:59:07] <cradek> both nuts delrin, or just one? (they will both have the same force on them)
[13:59:13] <Valen> the force only needs to be a little larger than the largest static force
[13:59:28] <Valen> so the wear should only be ~2x normal
[13:59:48] <Valen> just one, trying to reduce the friction, make it a little easier to spin
[14:00:20] <cradek> let us know how it works out - sounds interesting.
[14:01:18] <Valen> probably won't be as good as a ballscrew system, but if the "encoders" are good for 5um and the screw is somewhere near consistant then the servo loop should hopefully be able to handle it
[14:01:55] <Valen> Know any handy high amp low volt controllers?
[14:02:08] <Valen> the fan motors run at ~12V but can pull a fair number of amps
[14:03:21] <jepler> ATX power supply?
[14:04:05] <Valen> the power supply i have sorted ;->
[14:04:17] <Valen> 2nd hand truck battery and a 300W charger ;->
[14:04:29] <jepler> what do you need to control about a fan?
[14:04:54] <Valen> the fan motor is what is driving the spindle
[14:05:05] <Valen> using it as a servo motor
[14:05:36] <jepler> that seems a bit out of the ordinary
[14:06:06] <Valen> $10 for a "750W" motor cant be all bad
[14:06:23] <Valen> probably closer to 100-200W in a servo application
[14:06:25] <Valen> but still
[14:09:01] <jepler> it's a 62A 12V fan motor?
[14:09:10] <Valen> something like that
[14:09:19] <Valen> that is a "peak" rating o course
[14:09:26] <Valen> they arent little lol
[14:10:04] <Valen> http://www.robotmarketplace.com/products/0M-EVCCW.html
[14:10:12] <Valen> they are pretty much the same as that
[14:10:21] <tomp3> can you upgrade from acme to something like a kerk brand screw? http://www.haydonkerk.com. the valve spring/delrin/acme combo sounds like it'd be eating the delrin fast ( like only hours till the spring no longer had anything to push on )
[14:10:22] <Valen> just a more irritating shaft
[14:11:04] <Valen> Trying to do it without changing the mill at all (or as little as possible), otherwise we might as well just do a ballscrew setup
[14:11:58] <Valen> Might try it with 2x metal acme nuts and see what the friction is like
[14:12:10] <tomp3> ok, try a brass nut, split it and use die springs between and dowel pins to keep alligned. it'll take force and last
[14:12:28] <tomp3> you can but acme brass nuts
[14:12:31] <Valen> hmmm interesting
[14:12:35] <Valen> but=buy?
[14:12:39] <tomp3> (or learn to cast babbit ;)
[14:12:54] <Valen> cast what now?
[14:12:59] <tomp3> nut
[14:13:16] <Valen> babbit = ?
[14:13:37] <tomp3> low melting temp bearing material
[14:13:49] <Valen> Heh i am pondering the practicalities of casting a bed for a bigass gantry mill
[14:14:00] <Valen> cast iron is still pretty much the best stuff to make mills out of
[14:14:12] <Valen> think carbon fiber would be any good?
[14:14:21] <Valen> its plenty stiff and has ~0 thermal expansion
[14:14:31] <jepler> Valen: 18V 21A (heatsinked) but unfortunately has no internal current limit: http://www.pololu.com/catalog/product/755
[14:14:44] <Valen> bah current limits are for pussies
[14:15:01] <tomp3> cheap carbon fibre? ;)
[14:15:15] <Valen> I have a source for it ;->
[14:15:19] <Valen> the good stuff too
[14:15:31] <tomp3> maybe concrete with embedded rail on top, just machine the little bit o steel
[14:15:36] <Valen> aerospace stuff thats past its "used by date"
[14:15:53] <Valen> thermal expansion issues would probably be the killer with that
[14:16:30] <tomp3> i just left B&Q ( taiwan DIY home store) got PVC pipe to make shipping container for my carbon fishing rod
[14:16:48] <Valen> heh cool
[14:16:56] <tomp3> 1 meter long in sections (5m total ) cant take on plane.. too dangerous
[14:16:58] <jepler> and once you install the power cap and connectors as shown I dunno how you heatsink the thing .. I guess you would solder everything to the bottom and then place the top against the heatsink
[14:17:08] <jepler> I have no experience with this controller, just something I saw on the internets
[14:17:31] <Valen> if it comes to it i'll just make one
[14:17:49] <Valen> the mesa boards have the right output i think?
[14:17:59] <jepler> they have all sorts of outputs
[14:18:24] <Valen> otherwise i'll need some glue to turn fets on and off at the right PWM from the card
[14:18:27] <jepler> I think pwm + direction is one of the choices
[14:18:39] <tomp3> jepler: that board made for electric bicycles?
[14:18:51] <tomp3> (all the abttery talk )
[14:18:52] <jepler> tomp3: not sure what it's intended for
[14:18:53] <tomp3> battery
[14:18:55] <Valen> is there one with 4X PWM chanels + deadtime?
[14:18:55] <jepler> tomp3: robots maybe
[14:19:11] <Valen> might work for robots
[14:19:16] <jepler> you mean one for each switch in an h-bridge? no, I don't think so.
[14:19:38] <Valen> dang, its a shame, a whole FPGA sitting there begging to be used too lol
[14:20:06] <eric_unterhausen> it's made for little robots
[14:20:18] <eric_unterhausen> they are a hobby outfit
[14:20:40] <jepler> it's more a matter of pin count, I suspect.
[14:21:36] <jepler> one connector = 24 I/O points. mesa does 4 position-control differential servos on one connector, or 6 pins per motor: ABZ PWM DIR ENABLE
[14:23:44] <Valen> http://www.robotpower.com/catalog/#simple-h i know works for $80
[14:24:27] <Valen> the baby mesa cards have 70 odd IO ports dont they?
[14:25:35] <Valen> mix up some logic chips to convert PWM + direction to the correct drive type
[14:25:54] <Valen> Or i'll just use a bunch of the "fets" on it
[14:25:57] <Valen> they are brilliant
[14:26:05] <Valen> don't parallel too well though
[14:29:57] <jepler> that one has higher voltage and current specs, better provision for cooling, plus it sounds like you've used it before -- that's got to be the better idea even if it costs a bit more
[14:30:16] <Valen> I've used stuff from them before
[14:30:19] <jepler> plus schematic, that's nice
[14:30:31] <Valen> heh i'm soon to become their service agent in Australia ;-.
[14:30:39] <Valen> not much of a discount though :-<
[14:31:50] <Valen> http://www.robotpower.com/products/firecracker/ is the next step up
[14:31:53] <Valen> "coming doon" though
[14:32:07] <Valen> soon
[14:58:52] <jboss2000> Anyone know a way to check my Servo To Go ISA Bus card is communicating with HAL??
[14:59:32] <cradek> if the hal_stg driver loads, it is
[14:59:52] <jboss2000> ok cool, just wanted to make sure
[15:00:07] <cradek> check dmesg after it loads - there will be some information there about what kind of card it found.
[15:00:34] <jboss2000> check it in the hal shell or in the main terminal?
[15:00:47] <cradek> in a terminal type dmesg
[15:00:55] <jboss2000> kk one sec
[15:01:34] <jboss2000> ok thanks
[15:03:15] <jboss2000> Im excited, I should have my mill powered up on monday to test out emc2 and get my feet wet
[15:04:38] <cradek> excellent
[15:04:45] <cradek> so it showed up correctly in dmesg?
[15:05:03] <jboss2000> yes sir
[15:05:19] <cradek> good, you're on your way then.
[15:06:25] <jboss2000> yep, just got to finsh a few wiring issues, then I'm going to test spindel and baxis functions
[15:07:10] <jboss2000> still need to wire in the limit switchs for over travel so im going to hold off on the xyz
[15:28:13] <skunkworks> is it me or has emc users started to increase at an exp rate?
[15:30:47] <geo01005> I've been gaining weight at an exponential rate, yes. Even Since I got married.
[15:34:03] <skunkworks> I have actually reversed that trend
[15:34:06] <skunkworks> suprisingl
[15:34:13] <skunkworks> suprisingly
[15:34:35] <skunkworks> down to 210 so far.
[16:32:50] <gonzo_3> gonzo_3 is now known as gonzo_
[17:28:30] <alex_joni> heh http://failblog.org/2009/04/23/license-plate-fail-3/
[17:58:41] <BJT-Work_> BJT-Work_ is now known as BJT-Work
[18:19:01] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/content/view/60/12/lang,en/
[18:23:42] <cradek> alex_joni: I like the content, but it looks like crap: http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/hmmm.png
[18:24:25] <alex_joni> what browser is that?
[18:24:40] <cradek> firefox 1.5
[18:26:44] <alex_joni> guess it doesn't know how to do "margin-right:201px" :(
[18:27:50] <cradek> looks like it wraps in the right place OR at the width of the images below, whichever is greater
[18:29:14] <alex_joni> I think it's the table with the pics.. right
[18:29:18] <alex_joni> * alex_joni changes that
[18:32:22] <alex_joni> cradek: better now?
[18:33:55] <cradek> better for me, but still has the problem at some width I guess
[18:33:57] <cradek> thanks
[18:35:43] <alex_joni> youtube is really slow for me :/
[18:41:43] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: you mucking with the CSS still?
[18:42:04] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: yeah, a bit
[18:42:11] <alex_joni> * alex_joni just stopped
[18:42:29] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: You might consider this one instead http://matthewjamestaylor.com/blog/ultimate-3-column-holy-grail-pixels.htm
[18:44:23] <archivist_attic> bookmark
[18:57:47] <Guest959> Hello
[18:57:56] <alex_joni> hello
[18:58:29] <Guest959> Does anyone know if there is any possibility of using a stepper motor with a uln2003 on a serial port with linuxcnc?
[18:58:43] <cradek> if you mean parallel port, yes
[18:59:15] <cradek> emc2's stepgen can generate lots of formats of step output that are suitable for driving motor windings
[18:59:33] <maddash> serport? heck no.
[18:59:46] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.3/html/man/man9/stepgen.9.html
[19:01:15] <Guest959> No possiblity of using a de-9 serial port rather than a de-25 parallal port?
[19:01:42] <cradek> in what way would you expect to use serial to communicate with a uln2003?
[19:01:52] <Guest959> No clue, thats why im asking :)
[19:02:31] <cradek> ok, then the answer is no
[19:02:43] <cradek> :-)
[19:02:44] <cradek> brb
[19:54:53] <maddash> wooohoooooo
[19:55:14] <maddash> finished my pam_filehash module, now i can authenticate as root with my usb stick
[20:00:57] <maddash> hmm, is it really so trivial that no one will comment?
[21:06:34] <SkinnYPuP> this is interesting
[21:06:35] <SkinnYPuP> http://www.dgp.toronto.edu/~shbae/ilovesketch.htm
[21:08:36] <alex_joni> SkinnYPuP: doesn't work from here :)
[21:08:45] <alex_joni> err.. does now
[21:09:18] <archivist> does look spiffy
[21:12:15] <SkinnYPuP> yeah caught my eye
[21:30:17] <jepler> seb_kuzminsky: winrunner = commercial windows software
[21:30:39] <jepler> emc relevance = limited
[21:32:05] <seb_kuzminsky> oh :-/
[21:48:09] <eric_unterhausen> I guess I should look for a job
[21:48:35] <archivist> heh not a good time to be doing that
[21:49:01] <archivist> I should be looking too
[21:55:04] <JacksonV> JacksonV is now known as Vahue
[21:55:06] <alex_joni> good night all
[23:18:55] <tomp> tomp is now known as tomp3