#emc | Logs for 2009-03-12

[00:00:04] <Optic> aha!
[00:00:08] <Optic> AXES = 9
[00:00:11] <Optic> [AXIS_8]
[00:00:23] <Optic> COORDINATES = X Y Z W
[00:00:25] <Optic> win!
[00:01:44] <SWPadnos> oh, well there you go :)
[00:01:58] <SWPadnos> what version of EMC2?
[00:02:10] <Optic> 2.2.8, livecd
[00:02:13] <SWPadnos> (I think this may be different in TRUNK than in 2.2.x)
[00:02:31] <SWPadnos> is the liveCD 2.2.8?
[00:02:36] <Optic> yes
[00:02:41] <SWPadnos> I thought it was 2.2.6 or so, unless you update
[00:02:43] <SWPadnos> huh
[00:02:52] <Optic> i did update ;)
[00:03:04] <SWPadnos> ok, installed from CD or booted from the CD? :)
[00:03:09] <Optic> installed from cd
[00:03:19] <SWPadnos> ah, that's different
[00:03:47] <SWPadnos> you kept saying "liveCD", I thought you were booting from it all the time :)
[00:04:02] <Optic> yes, i was misleading you!
[00:04:07] <SWPadnos> wuss
[00:04:13] <Optic> haha
[00:13:19] <Optic> if an axis doesn't support homing, how do I make it so the 'home all' button doesn't try? :)
[00:13:41] <SWPadnos> you have to fiddle with the homing settings to prevent it from moving
[00:14:03] <SWPadnos> it may be that the way to do that is to set all the HOME_*_VEL settings to zero
[00:16:38] <Optic> ah, HOME_SEARCH_VEL = 0 --> disable homing for that axis
[00:17:36] <Optic> If HOME_SEQUENCE is -1 or not specified then this joint will not be homed by the HOME ALL sequence
[00:18:20] <SWPadnos> nice manual :)
[00:18:33] <Optic> emc has great docs
[00:18:41] <Optic> i've been very impressed by the whole project so far
[00:18:50] <SWPadnos> cool
[00:19:13] <Optic> it's complicated, but of course a generalized machine control program is a complex goal
[00:19:57] <SWPadnos> yep. like Uncle ben said to Peter Parker: "With great power comes great responsibility"
[00:20:16] <SWPadnos> (in this case, responsibility == learning how to configure EMC2 to do what you want)
[00:27:48] <Optic> the whole HAL abstraction thing is totally cool
[00:28:27] <Optic> we're replacing the controller in an old laser engraver
[00:28:32] <Optic> not sure if you knew what I was working on :)
[00:28:44] <SWPadnos> especially when you start playing with it while things are running
[00:28:53] <SWPadnos> that's when it gets really interesting :)
[00:33:19] <Optic> we've had EMC moving the motors already
[00:33:32] <Optic> we're trying to get it to home and hook up the safety features before we start running the laser ;)
[00:33:58] <Optic> you know, like the cover interlock
[00:34:07] <Optic> and a useful e-stop
[00:48:39] <hugomatic> Hello, anybody familiar with the G540 Gecko drive? I have 6 wire Sherline motors but the board has only 4 connections... I am not sure what to do...
[00:52:16] <cradek> do your motors have 6 or 8 wires?
[00:52:22] <cradek> not the connector - the motor itself
[00:53:13] <BigJohnT> hugomatic: the gecko web site has info on hooking up different motors if I recall correctly
[00:53:19] <hugomatic> 6 wires: A- A+ B- B+ Com A and Com B
[00:53:54] <BigJohnT> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?StepMotorWireIdentification
[00:53:55] <cradek> just ignore the COM wires then
[00:54:11] <hugomatic> I read the doc, I guess I will ignore com A and Com B
[00:54:28] <cradek> cap them - do not hook them to anything, or to each other
[00:54:30] <hugomatic> thanks cradek
[00:55:14] <hugomatic> my only worry is that they are connected together...
[00:55:33] <hugomatic> I would prefer to keep the Sherline connectors
[00:55:42] <cradek> they probably are in the connector, you will have to modify that
[00:56:16] <hugomatic> OK...
[00:56:21] <hugomatic> :-(
[00:57:16] <hugomatic> I wanted to switch boxes between my machines...
[01:13:02] <Optic> what does "touch off" mean?
[01:14:43] <ds3> touching a cutter to stock to locate a zero
[01:14:53] <Optic> aha
[01:15:14] <Optic> so you'd touch the top and the side to zero two axes separately?
[01:15:32] <ds3> yeah... i guess you can also do that with a probe too
[01:15:58] <Optic> i'm still learning the terminology
[01:16:12] <ds3> on a manual machine, you'd crack the cutter in the direction of feed til you just see a sliver of chip(s) fly off, zero the dial allowing for 1/2 cutter diameter
[01:16:23] <ds3> repeat with the other axes
[01:16:49] <ds3> thesedays X&Y is probally easier to set with a edge finder and use a shim to locate Z zero
[01:19:05] <cradek> I recommend edge finder for the sides, dowel pin (raise the tool until the pin rolls under) for the top
[01:19:23] <cradek> the touch off value you enter is just the dowel pin diameter
[01:23:11] <Optic> cool
[01:24:29] <ds3> cradek: why dowel pin over a shim or a 1-2-3 block?
[01:24:35] <dmess> how so??
[01:25:11] <cradek> ds3: because when moving up, you can never ding the work or break the tip off the tool
[01:25:15] <dmess> oh for z... sorry
[01:25:37] <cradek> also the dowel moves faster as you get closer - it's easy to get exactly the right incremental jog at the full machine resolution
[01:25:52] <cradek> try it and you will see how well it works compared to a piece of paper :-)
[01:25:54] <ds3> Hmmm
[01:26:40] <ds3> I have tried it... I like dowel pins but I do it slightly differently; the reason I like shims is cuz they are more available and by shims I mean a sheet of aluminum or brass
[01:27:31] <dmess> i have seen many things but i think i like this
[01:27:40] <cradek> no argument from me - lots of ways to do things
[01:27:48] <cradek> that's why I said "I recommend" :-)
[01:27:59] <ds3> wasn't arguing; was trying to understand why
[01:28:04] <dmess> i need a walk thru
[01:28:24] <ds3> I was taught to slowly decent til the pin don't go through
[01:28:41] <cradek> ds3: I do it going up until the pin DOES go through
[01:28:52] <cradek> you can feel the pin moving faster and faster right before it goes through
[01:29:00] <cradek> so you can slow down (I use the jog wheel)
[01:29:23] <cradek> I can do a touch off in about 3 seconds
[01:31:33] <dmess> for Z i used to have a master block from the table.. then fixture offset from that to top of block with a .0001" indicator... same deal 3-5 seconds and zero return
[01:32:17] <cradek> that sounds good too - I've been tempted to build one of those.
[01:32:33] <cradek> (but if using emc, I'd do a probe type switch first)
[01:33:21] <dmess> just drop til its a NO-go... raise to go slow down check for a downward no-go and repeat
[01:34:43] <dmess> i have gotten MOST tools within .0001" for a period of quite some yrs
[01:35:10] <cradek> I find a lot of end mills have different flute heights
[01:35:29] <dmess> there is NO real standard
[01:37:05] <dmess> i dream the cutters up then just tell the company they HAVE to get them made... ;)
[01:38:28] <dmess> i have held a 2mm ceramic ballnose in my hand... and now EVERYONE involved with that meeting denies it
[01:39:42] <dmess> but i had 8000-60000 rpm available... so you couldnt think INSIDE the box but now no one will let me out
[01:55:15] <dmess> Cradek.... in full 5 axis mode would emc let me work from 1 co-ordinate system and manage the tool length compensation???
[01:55:53] <dmess> and or dia. comp.
[01:58:34] <cradek> tool length yes
[01:58:38] <cradek> diameter no
[01:58:45] <cradek> if I understand your question right
[01:59:36] <dmess> sorry assuming a ballnose for simplicity
[02:00:36] <cradek> with appropriate kinematics in emc2 you don't have to put the pivot length calculation in the gcode
[02:00:54] <cradek> so you can change tools without changing the gcode
[02:01:04] <dmess> so the length after a g43 would be managed.. but no g41/42
[02:01:11] <cradek> yes
[02:01:36] <dmess> but i ALWAYS need to tweak it
[02:01:37] <cradek> g41/g42 are planar
[02:02:31] <dmess> there is 5 axis c/comp... siemens and fanuc
[02:04:41] <dmess> ive been on Catia v5 training all day so i'm slightly forgetful by this time
[02:05:23] <dmess> brain has turned to the consistency of rotten plum
[02:24:24] <cradek_> cradek_ is now known as cradek
[13:09:48] <BJT-Work> archivist: you around?
[13:16:56] <archivist> yer
[13:17:20] <archivist> BJT-Work, yer
[13:18:03] <BJT-Work> which manual are you talking about that is missing something
[13:18:13] <archivist> user manual
[13:18:44] <archivist> eg how to use it in simulator mode
[13:19:25] <BJT-Work> do you mean the non real time simulator?
[13:19:32] <archivist> yes
[13:19:53] <BJT-Work> :/ I don't even know how that works
[13:20:32] <archivist> couldnt find simple noob docs for user in chan yesterday in the time he would wait
[13:20:43] <BJT-Work> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?EMC2_Pure_Simulator
[13:21:19] <archivist> yes but I mean real noob
[13:22:00] <BJT-Work> then they don't need to be playing with sharp objects :)
[13:22:32] <archivist> note simulator has NO sharp objects :)
[13:22:37] <BJT-Work> I'm guessing you have to do all the steps on that page to have the sim package
[13:23:44] <archivist> that page does not go on to usage of it either "and you should be set. " does not cut it
[13:24:59] <archivist> I never use it probably for the same reason, I just use the real thing TM
[13:25:01] <BJT-Work> wouldn't the usage be the same as the real time except nothing moves?
[13:25:36] <BJT-Work> that page seems to be written in programmer speak...
[13:26:16] <archivist> I found that in the time allowed but said user would have been lost
[13:29:01] <BJT-Work> seems easier to just tell them to boot from the live cd and play with the sims from there...
[13:29:29] <archivist> he failed with the live CD as well
[13:30:05] <BJT-Work> ouch
[13:31:12] <JymmmEMC> Um, that page is far from programmer speak I'm afraid to say.
[13:31:39] <BJT-Work> lol
[13:31:55] <archivist> its far from noob get sim running and in use as well
[13:32:15] <Optic> hi
[13:32:34] <JymmmEMC> archivist: You're welcome to edit it as you see fit
[13:32:49] <archivist> and you
[13:32:58] <JymmmEMC> It looks fine to me
[13:33:08] <eric_unterhausen> why doesn't axis work with 8.10?
[13:33:14] <pjm_> afternoon
[13:34:53] <BJT-Work> morning
[13:40:29] <skunkworks_> pjm_: how is the rigid tapping going?
[13:41:06] <pjm_> skunkworks_ ah i've not forgotten doing a video, but its working well
[13:41:16] <pjm_> i did some M3 tapped holes this morning
[13:42:33] <pjm_> although i noticed a funny thing when you start the tapping cycle, it seems that the Z motor pll's to the spindle speed
[13:42:48] <pjm_> so u can hear the Z movement varying a bit before settling on a smooth feed
[13:47:28] <eric_unterhausen> I shouldn't try to follow the wiki page before my brain kicks into gear
[13:50:11] <eric_unterhausen> I started installing the sim from cvs, and went to get coffee, and then started installing from debs :o
[13:50:40] <BJT-Work> how did that work out :?
[13:50:53] <eric_unterhausen> it's not a good thing
[13:51:29] <eric_unterhausen> apt-get now has some cruft that I don't know how to get rid of :)
[13:56:09] <jepler> eric_unterhausen: you'd have to ask "skullworks" (not skunkworks_) about his report that AXIS doesn't work when you install the 8.04 packages on 8.10, he's the one who wrote that on January 30
[13:57:57] <eric_unterhausen> I'm building from cvs
[13:58:11] <eric_unterhausen> except I'm in the middle of a googlehatch trying to find libreadline
[13:59:48] <eric_unterhausen> well, I hope apt-get install readline* doesn't put the wrong thing on my computer
[13:59:54] <SWPadnos> synaptic -> search -> readline ...
[14:00:10] <SWPadnos> it could be something like libreadline-dev
[14:00:52] <eric_unterhausen> my approach may have been a little rash :)
[14:01:05] <SWPadnos> have more coffee. it usually helps
[14:01:16] <eric_unterhausen> I already had about 3/4 pot
[14:01:27] <SWPadnos> so the other 1/4 pot is getting lonely
[14:01:36] <eric_unterhausen> my wife drank it
[14:01:44] <eric_unterhausen> selfish woman
[14:01:49] <SWPadnos> that b...eautiful lady ...
[14:03:10] <JymmmEMC> The question is.... did whoever empty the pot, make another one?
[14:03:42] <eric_unterhausen> now you're getting personal
[14:03:57] <eric_unterhausen> python-dev doesn't install python.h
[14:04:17] <JymmmEMC> lol
[14:04:56] <jepler> the source includes the list of packages required to build. Have the package system report what you need: debian/configure sim; dpkg-buildpackage
[14:05:05] <jepler> if the second command errors immediately, it tells you what you need
[14:05:22] <jepler> if it doesn't, either let it complete and you get an installable deb, or interrupt it and reconfigure for --enable-run-in-place if that's what you want
[14:06:00] <SWPadnos> oooh, maybe I should boot up that Jaunty system and try that
[14:06:10] <jepler> of course, the "problem" with this is that it will also list the packages required to build PDF documentation, and you may or may not care about those
[14:06:39] <JymmmEMC> I found a neat AIO Epson printer for $150 the other day, duplex printing, 50 sht ADF, ether and wifi, 4 ink tanks and the refill price was good, fax 38PPM. So I go to read the reviews to see if the ADF is duplex too. Found the duplex printing is "turn the paper over" DOH!
[14:07:14] <jepler> and if this information is helpful to you, add it to the wiki.
[14:08:20] <eric_unterhausen> ./configure --enable-run-in-place --enable-simulator
[14:08:27] <eric_unterhausen> that was what I was trying to do
[14:10:25] <JymmmEMC> apt-get install virtualbox; wget livcd; Create VM from LiveCD, done.
[14:10:32] <eric_unterhausen> heh, I was in the wrong drirectory
[14:12:59] <skunkworks_> http://imagebin.ca/popup/qzwsvDuw.html
[14:13:28] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: say wut?
[14:13:43] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: If that's correct... you biotch!
[14:13:58] <SWPadnos> oh come on - all you need is 4 drives to get that :)
[14:14:08] <skunkworks_> actually 8...
[14:14:21] <JymmmEMC> 1.5TB = 6 drives
[14:14:23] <SWPadnos> well, you may have 8, but all you need is 4 :)
[14:14:32] <SWPadnos> 2TB = 4 drives
[14:14:39] <skunkworks_> rosewell esata case - really seems to work nice. (only one that got good reviews.)
[14:14:44] <JymmmEMC> 2TB exist now?
[14:14:46] <SWPadnos> huh
[14:14:50] <SWPadnos> JymmmEMC, yes
[14:14:56] <JymmmEMC> $$??
[14:15:01] <SWPadnos> they're more expensive, of course
[14:15:01] <jepler> skunkworks_: show off
[14:15:04] <SWPadnos> $300 maybe
[14:15:11] <skunkworks_> well - it isn't for me.
[14:15:33] <archivist> for me? please
[14:15:35] <skunkworks_> we need to store some tiff like images for more than just a few months.
[14:15:47] <SWPadnos> yep, $300: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136344
[14:15:50] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: I hope that's mirrored
[14:16:05] <skunkworks_> that isn't - (yes I was just showing off)
[14:16:06] <SWPadnos> but 1TB drives are $90, so they're a much better value
[14:16:29] <skunkworks_> I have 2 of these bays and each will be setup raid 5
[14:16:55] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: RAID51 ?
[14:17:11] <eric_unterhausen> looks like libgnomeprint2.2 is going to be a problem
[14:17:43] <SWPadnos> eric_unterhausen, shouldn't be (if you figure out the right packages to install)
[14:17:55] <SWPadnos> I've actually gotten EMC2 to build on Jaunty alpha, including docs
[14:17:58] <skunkworks_> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16816132016
[14:18:17] <skunkworks_> it will do 10 but not 51
[14:18:48] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: Actually, instead of RAID51, having two identical systems, then mirroring (rsync or rdiff-backup) to the other would be a better bet.
[14:18:54] <skunkworks_> I like good old fashoned raid 5.. call me a geezer.
[14:19:05] <skunkworks_> JymmmEMC: heh - yes - that is what I am doing.
[14:19:20] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: Do you have any hotspares in that RAID5 ?
[14:19:37] <skunkworks_> no - but I have extra trays. - this will be pretty visable.
[14:19:58] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: Um if there are no hot spares, RAID5 is pretty useless
[14:20:10] <skunkworks_> only if you lose 2 drives...
[14:20:13] <JymmmEMC> 1
[14:20:20] <SWPadnos> no, 2
[14:20:22] <JymmmEMC> RAID6 you can lose 2 drives
[14:20:33] <SWPadnos> raid5 should remain usable, but not redundant, if one drive is lost
[14:20:56] <skunkworks_> exactly
[14:20:59] <SWPadnos> so if you have a "cold spare" and hot-swap hardware, you can put in a fresh drive and rebuild without losing data
[14:21:03] <eric_unterhausen> but of course, since they are all the same drive, 2 will fail in quick succession
[14:21:22] <skunkworks_> * skunkworks_ has never had that happen..
[14:21:24] <skunkworks_> yet
[14:21:29] <JymmmEMC> But if a drive fails at 6pm, there's a high risk that another drive can fail before it's replaced the next day
[14:21:55] <skunkworks_> that is also why I have 2 of these bays. How fault tollerent do you want to be? ;)
[14:21:58] <eric_unterhausen> low probability doesn't mean it isn't going to happen to you :)
[14:22:04] <JymmmEMC> Wanna know how I know this? hint hint
[14:22:15] <skunkworks_> ouch
[14:22:34] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: Is that 2nd bay going into the same system?
[14:22:39] <skunkworks_> no
[14:22:47] <JymmmEMC> rsync?
[14:22:52] <eric_unterhausen> what was that blogger type website that lost a drive and went kaput, "sorry"
[14:22:58] <skunkworks_> windows
[14:23:22] <JymmmEMC> iirc there's rsync for windows
[14:23:32] <JymmmEMC> freebie too
[14:23:37] <skunkworks_> I will have to look
[14:23:49] <JymmmEMC> though it's not called rsync, something else.
[14:24:01] <SWPadnos> Windows Briefcase :)
[14:24:04] <JymmmEMC> google "rsync for windows" and it should pop up
[14:24:46] <JymmmEMC> Hey, what verion of emc is on the current livecd? it only says 2
[14:24:59] <JymmmEMC> nm, found it
[14:25:18] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: Damnit man, better naming conventions please
[14:27:09] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: http://www.aboutmyip.com/AboutMyXApp/DeltaCopy.jsp
[14:28:58] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: http://www.itefix.no/i2/node/10650
[14:30:59] <skunkworks_> JymmmEMC: thanks - that looks cool
[14:32:09] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: NP, With that much storage, you just gotta have good redundancy
[14:55:25] <JymmmEMC> Anyone know of binary pastebin?
[14:56:03] <SWPadnos> http://filebin.ca/
[14:56:10] <JymmmEMC> thanks
[14:56:15] <SWPadnos> sure
[14:58:02] <JymmmEMC> hmmm, failed =(
[14:58:25] <SWPadnos> there may be others - I just googled for "filebin"
[14:59:00] <SWPadnos> interesting: http://imagebin.ca/view/E15qsz.html
[15:01:07] <JymmmEMC> http://filebin.ca/zmnfct - EMC 2.2.5 LiveCD VMWare Virtual Machine, still requires the LiveCD ISO
[15:01:35] <JymmmEMC> but you don't have to burn it
[15:01:43] <SWPadnos> how big is that file? (they said there's a 50M limit)
[15:01:48] <JymmmEMC> 4MB
[15:02:09] <JymmmEMC> 73KB
[15:02:15] <JymmmEMC> zipped
[15:02:29] <JymmmEMC> I just made it =)
[15:02:36] <JymmmEMC> the vm that is
[15:02:41] <SWPadnos> ok, so it's the .vmblahblah file, not a disk image :)
[15:02:43] <SWPadnos> cool
[15:03:12] <JymmmEMC> Yeah, you STILL need the ISO file, but you don't have to burn it to disc, you can dl VMWare Player and use it though
[15:03:16] <SWPadnos> silly mac users
[15:03:51] <SWPadnos> interesting. I wonder if it will work on a Linux machine
[15:04:05] <JymmmEMC> It'll work in any VMWare product
[15:04:10] <SWPadnos> the directory names don't have the same case (on this Windows machine)
[15:04:12] <JymmmEMC> I downgraded it
[15:04:43] <SWPadnos> the .vmwarevm file is in __macosx, but a lot of other stuffis in __MACOSX/...
[15:05:02] <SWPadnos> isn't the mac filesystem case sensitive?
[15:05:12] <JymmmEMC> sure, it's FBSD based
[15:05:15] <SWPadnos> huh
[15:05:57] <JymmmEMC> But many times I 've used VM's from mac under ubuntu and windows
[15:06:30] <SWPadnos> I know it's supposed to work that way, I was just surprised by the directory structure in the zip
[15:06:48] <JymmmEMC> you have to unzip it though, I just zipped it to get it to upload
[15:07:07] <SWPadnos> oh, of course. I don't have VMWare on this machine anyway
[15:07:11] <SWPadnos> just winzip :)
[15:07:18] <JymmmEMC> dl vmplayer
[15:07:20] <JymmmEMC> it's free
[15:07:30] <SWPadnos> on this PC, it would be fairly useless
[15:07:38] <SWPadnos> and I hate rebooting
[15:07:54] <JymmmEMC> why useless?
[15:08:03] <JymmmEMC> xp?
[15:08:08] <SWPadnos> 2k
[15:08:20] <SWPadnos> on an Athlon 1800
[15:08:30] <SWPadnos> though I do have a reasonable amount of RAM, 1.5GB
[15:08:50] <SWPadnos> only 3GB disk space left though
[15:10:27] <JymmmEMC> http://vmware.com/download/player/
[15:10:35] <JymmmEMC> empty your trashbin =)
[15:10:56] <Optic> i'm working on getting the homing working on our laser engraver
[15:11:09] <Optic> home sensors are hooked up and EMC sees them, but they're in strange places
[15:11:28] <Optic> you can only home X if Y is in a certain place
[15:12:17] <SWPadnos> JymmmEMC, done that - recycle bin is empty :)
[15:12:32] <SWPadnos> Optic, home Y first
[15:12:34] <BJT-Work> you could force it to home the Y first then the X...
[15:12:37] <BJT-Work> heh
[15:12:47] <SWPadnos> hey - you got the heh key working! :)
[15:12:53] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: It support Win2k +SP4
[15:13:10] <SWPadnos> I may have SP4 or SP5 or something
[15:13:16] <Optic> also, can you tell emc about the correct sense for the home switches?
[15:13:27] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: at least SP4 that is, SP5 is fine
[15:13:29] <SWPadnos> but I don't have any desire to run VMs on this PC. I have far more capable ones around
[15:13:45] <Optic> I have HOME_SEARCH_VEL as = -5, but if it's already on the switch, its still goes in teh -'ve direction and crashes
[15:13:50] <SWPadnos> and if this one breaks, I'm FSCKed
[15:14:07] <Optic> if you see what I mean
[15:14:10] <SWPadnos> you should get an error if you start homing with the home switch already closed
[15:15:06] <cradek> not true - it just pulls off the switch first
[15:15:13] <BJT-Work> think of it as what button you press to move the axis in the correct direction the plus or minus button on the screen
[15:15:38] <Optic> right, normally you would press - to move the axis in the correct direction
[15:15:49] <SWPadnos> I thought there was an error, my bad
[15:15:52] <Optic> but if it's already there, it tries to move - anyways
[15:16:01] <Optic> i think it is just looking for a state change on the switch?
[15:16:26] <BJT-Work> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/devel/html//config_ini_homing.html
[15:17:16] <eric_unterhausen> I'm left with the following unmet dependencies on 8.10 lyx-qt libgnomeprintui2.2-dev groff
[15:17:57] <BJT-Work> Optic: depends on how you have search and latch vel... take a look at the chart on that page
[15:18:16] <eric_unterhausen> nvm about the libgnomeunderpants, found that
[15:18:34] <Optic> it homes fine if I don't start on the switch
[15:18:41] <Optic> and works the way i would expect
[15:19:11] <BJT-Work> yea, you can't be on the switch when you start or it gets confused
[15:19:13] <tomp> haha libGnomeDepends(tm) not underpants
[15:19:21] <Optic> ok
[15:20:44] <eric_unterhausen> my search technique is unstoppable
[15:21:56] <eric_unterhausen> I swear I installed something like lyx-qt, dpkg-buildpackage disagrees
[15:22:46] <tomp> on swx should move off swx till swx opens, then proceed as usual
[15:23:30] <tomp> (begin with opp dir of search )
[15:30:32] <eric_unterhausen> builds anyway
[15:33:51] <eric_unterhausen> how do you run a run-in-place sim?
[15:34:51] <SWPadnos> source emc-environment, then emc
[15:35:17] <SWPadnos> you won't be able to load any configs that try to load hardware drivers (including parport)
[15:35:29] <SWPadnos> so load soemthing from the sim/ directory
[15:35:56] <SWPadnos> bbiab
[15:39:56] <eric_unterhausen> preview window on axis doesn't work
[15:40:09] <JymmmEMC> Who controls the wiki? I found a bug
[15:40:30] <eric_unterhausen> you do
[15:40:45] <JymmmEMC> I hate wiki's, so I know it's not me
[15:41:00] <JymmmEMC> dman bunch of glorified post-it notes
[15:42:19] <eric_unterhausen> wikis are better than nothing
[15:42:43] <JymmmEMC> I'd rather have nothing
[15:43:24] <eric_unterhausen> I have an idea, don't click on the link :)
[15:43:57] <tomp> "i have an idea" vermin, time bandits
[15:44:27] <eric_unterhausen> did lego sue those guys about having the fortress of evil made out of legos?
[15:45:11] <eric_unterhausen> simulator without pretty pictures is a bummer
[15:45:49] <tomp> free advert, lego only used 'nassovia' edms because they repeated so well. now nassovia has been ate by the george fischer group :(
[15:45:56] <eric_unterhausen> if you resize the window, you can see it for about a second, and then it goes back to gray
[15:48:31] <JymmmEMC> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?vm
[15:49:26] <eric_unterhausen> so we can run emc instead of surfing porn at work
[15:49:37] <tomp> cool, thx JymmmEMC
[15:49:57] <JymmmEMC> np
[15:50:39] <tomp> lets go surfin porn, everbody surfin porn, come on everbody... how'd that end?
[15:53:23] <eric_unterhausen> it ends badly for at least a few people every day.
[15:54:38] <BJT-Work> well after a zillion clicks I seemed to have stopped WMP11 from trying to sync with my thumb drive
[15:55:49] <BJT-Work> today will be a good day... I can tell
[15:57:56] <skunkworks_> up to 3% resyncing raid 5 on 2003 server.. :) looks like the server is going to take a day or so to init it. :) (I am using the raid software that came with the card on a different computer and it is working on 24 hours for 50% :))
[15:59:30] <BJT-Work> heh
[15:59:56] <tomp> yes, windows does not play well with large thumb drives, my 1st idea for cad file sneaker net is a bad one. a crummy 8 g thumb can take minutes to eject/mount
[16:00:30] <BJT-Work> I just pull them out...
[16:03:05] <SWPadnos> bad bjt
[16:04:47] <tomp> yes, lost files that way, chinese engr didnt wait, ended up having to reformat
[16:05:03] <tomp> now i ftp to him
[16:05:13] <SWPadnos> heh
[16:08:50] <tomp> are there any published ngc files that run on cradeks vismach mill?
[16:09:16] <tomp> nothing in my dirs 'fits'
[16:09:39] <tomp> oh well . open up the virtual limits
[18:45:01] <skunkworks_> up to 3% resyncing raid 5 on 2003 server.. :) looks like the server is going to take a day or so to init it. :) (I am using the raid software that came with the card on a different computer and it is working on 24 hours for 50% :))
[18:45:05] <skunkworks_> oops
[18:45:10] <skunkworks_> wrong window
[21:21:32] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks_: whaich raid card?
[21:27:14] <skunkworks_> RSV-S8 (Sil3726 chipset)
[21:27:18] <skunkworks_> 'raid'
[21:27:36] <skunkworks_> it is pretty limited - really thinking of using it as a passthru
[21:27:42] <skunkworks_> (letting the os do the raid)
[21:27:59] <skunkworks_> bbl
[22:13:08] <dmess> hi all
[22:51:30] <JymmmEMC> hi dmess
[22:51:38] <JymmmEMC> nobody here but us crickets