#emc | Logs for 2009-01-24

[01:18:48] <eric_unterhausen> the message of the day should say "just ask your main question or we may stay asleep"
[01:33:38] <eric_unterhausen> jmkasunich: did you get a chance to run the atom mobo?
[01:33:55] <jmkasunich> not yet
[01:34:21] <jmkasunich> my workbench is a mess, and I haven't worked up the ambition to clean off a square foot or two
[01:34:33] <eric_unterhausen> I know the feeling
[01:34:47] <eric_unterhausen> and whenever I start to clean up, things get worse first
[01:35:23] <jmkasunich> I should do that though
[01:35:36] <jmkasunich> I've been coding instead, but the code will eventually run on the atom
[01:35:42] <jmkasunich> I should probably test it on the atom
[01:36:04] <jmkasunich> speed will matter, and I really don't have a handle on how much slower the atom will be than my dev box
[01:44:47] <eric_unterhausen> goal 3 rebates back on
[01:45:36] <eric_unterhausen> newegg sold out of the better atoms
[01:46:13] <SWPadnos> $169 for a motherboard+quad-core CPU today
[01:46:20] <SWPadnos> and it's a nice motherboard too
[01:46:23] <eric_unterhausen> not bad
[01:46:36] <eric_unterhausen> 780 chipset though
[01:46:40] <SWPadnos> Asus M3A78 Pro I think it was
[01:46:42] <eric_unterhausen> you talked me out of that
[01:46:56] <SWPadnos> hmmm. I thought it was the 790G, but I may have misread
[01:47:12] <eric_unterhausen> today's shocker, right?
[01:47:19] <SWPadnos> yeah
[01:47:30] <SWPadnos> thinking about it, there is no 790G, it's the 790GX
[01:48:51] <eric_unterhausen> I decided not to get a quad because I wanted a quiet low power system
[01:49:11] <SWPadnos> yeah, the lowest power quads are 95W
[01:49:36] <SWPadnos> which isn't a hell of a lot more than the 65 or so of most of the duals
[01:50:25] <SWPadnos> hmmm. the power supply I have in my cart keeps getting better and better discounts
[01:50:29] <eric_unterhausen> the deal was for 125w though, and I got a 45w
[01:50:39] <eric_unterhausen> which power supply
[01:50:40] <SWPadnos> I wonder what's wrong with it (it's a PC Power & Cooling/OCZ model)
[01:50:45] <SWPadnos> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817703009
[01:50:50] <eric_unterhausen> funky rails
[01:50:51] <SWPadnos> yes, the deal was a big one
[01:51:13] <SWPadnos> think the wsingle 60A 12V rail is the problem?
[01:51:15] <SWPadnos> -w
[01:51:25] <eric_unterhausen> possibly
[01:52:11] <SWPadnos> other than the experience with my SuperMicro motherboard, PCP&C supplies have always been excellent
[01:52:23] <eric_unterhausen> I think it's expensive for what it is
[01:53:11] <SWPadnos> it's cheap for PCP&C
[01:53:15] <eric_unterhausen> wow, that silverstone 400w is a good deal
[01:53:26] <SWPadnos> 400 is too small to power a GTX295 :)
[01:53:53] <SWPadnos> especially if you want a motherboard to plug it into
[01:54:06] <eric_unterhausen> certainly borderline
[01:54:18] <ds3> 400W??? I can probally run an ARM board with a thermopile generator sitting in that PC ;)
[01:54:19] <SWPadnos> since the card is rated at 289W, it's not even that
[01:54:42] <SWPadnos> 289 for the GPUs, 140 for the CPU, then add RAM, motherboard, and drives
[01:54:51] <SWPadnos> = > 400W
[01:55:09] <SWPadnos> ds3, yeah, you could run about 150 beagleboards on that :)
[01:55:38] <eric_unterhausen> I'd like a beagleboard
[01:55:47] <ds3> or is the plan to power the mill with a sterling engine sitting onthe GPU? ;)
[01:55:50] <eric_unterhausen> and pico projector
[01:56:01] <ds3> pico + beagle = heaven
[01:56:29] <SWPadnos> if only it had ethernet
[01:56:36] <eric_unterhausen> oops
[01:57:04] <eric_unterhausen> but you wouldn't want that wired anyway
[01:57:27] <ds3> it will if I can find time to get it wired up
[01:57:41] <eric_unterhausen> wireless better
[01:57:52] <SWPadnos> I didn't see any mention of ethernet there, except for USB adapters
[01:58:00] <SWPadnos> for wireless or wired
[01:58:04] <ds3> SPI
[01:59:02] <ds3> now if only EMC ran on there.... drive the steppers via the GPIO's...
[02:00:35] <eric_unterhausen> http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/3109688167/
[02:00:57] <eric_unterhausen> I haven't been reading the rtai mailing list to know the status of rtai for the arm
[02:14:55] <eric_unterhausen> if it turns out that the atom works for emc, that would be a good thing
[02:21:08] <JymmmEMC> atom cpu has too much latency
[02:21:22] <eric_unterhausen> not according to the wiki
[02:22:19] <eric_unterhausen> the reviews of the mobo on newegg even mention emc
[02:24:28] <eric_unterhausen> and the fact that the live cd doesn't have the required module built for the ethernet port
[02:34:20] <jmkasunich> JymmmEMC: do you have a source for "atom cpu has too much latency" ? or are you just talkin' out yer ass? ;-)
[02:34:36] <eric_unterhausen> need a notification for when he's not
[02:36:07] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: Um, how many times do I need to say I have a Lenovo IdeaPad S10 for you to hear it?
[02:36:36] <jmkasunich> you didn't say that any time in this conversation
[02:36:56] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: I said it a zillions times for like 4 days when I first got it
[02:37:06] <jmkasunich> so, what you really meant was "the Atom CPU in this particular laptop (or whatever that ideapad thing is) has bad latency"
[02:37:32] <JymmmEMC> No, you said that.
[02:37:53] <jmkasunich> what I heard (partly my fault) was "the Atom CPU in the G945GCLF2 motherboard (that eric and I were talking about) has bad latency"
[02:38:30] <jmkasunich> as is usually the case, it is the mobo more than the CPU that affects latency
[02:38:43] <jmkasunich> the D945GCLF2 is on the wiki with good latency numbers
[02:40:00] <JymmmEMC> Chipset Intel 82945G (ICH7)
[02:40:44] <SWPadnos> my ICH7 experience is that it's a shitty chipset
[02:40:44] <JymmmEMC> http://www.cartft.com/catalog/il/934?ci=43
[02:40:45] <SWPadnos> but ymmv
[02:41:03] <JymmmEMC> Yeah intel chipsets not al their cracked up to be
[02:41:32] <jmkasunich> well, I should know in a couple days
[02:41:33] <SWPadnos> ICH7 in particular doesn't do PCI read combining, ever
[02:41:36] <JymmmEMC> Damn, there's a TV OUT variant =(
[02:42:09] <SWPadnos> and my experience reading from a 5i22 board was that it was only marginally faster than a parallel port
[02:42:28] <SWPadnos> (maybe 3 reads per microsecond, but at least they were 32 bits each)
[02:42:40] <eric_unterhausen> SWPadnos: which mobo?
[02:42:57] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: FYI... Can't have NEtFlix on ArtiGO. The video drivers "permit" recording over HDMI, so they restrict it's usage.
[02:42:58] <SWPadnos> Acrosser AR-B1892 I think
[02:43:15] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: At least until VIA updates their driver
[02:43:21] <SWPadnos> JymmmEMC, even though it doesn't have HDMI output? :)
[02:43:39] <jmkasunich> SWPadnos: 3 reads per uS on PCI is about 6x parport bandwidth
[02:43:48] <jmkasunich> I wouldn't call that "marginally faster"
[02:43:50] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Actually, it has DVI and LCD out directly
[02:43:53] <SWPadnos> 12x bandwidth
[02:44:07] <jmkasunich> I was assuming 2/uS on the epp bus
[02:44:16] <jmkasunich> if its really 1/uS, then yeah, 12x
[02:44:19] <jmkasunich> definitely not margina
[02:44:20] <SWPadnos> but the read speed was crap. I would have expected maybe 6 PCI cycles per uS
[02:44:21] <jmkasunich> ly
[02:44:53] <SWPadnos> bandwidth was a lot higher, but individual R/M/W cycles are only marginally faster
[02:45:23] <SWPadnos> and it didn't matter if you read a block then wrote a block, it sucked all around due to the non-combining chipset
[02:45:34] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: DVI to HDMI cable
[02:45:50] <SWPadnos> oh. I don't remember the DVI output either
[02:46:07] <SWPadnos> it's been in the box for all but 15 minutes since I got it :)
[02:46:08] <JymmmEMC> This is awesome!!! http://www.engadget.com/2008/12/04/a-tale-of-two-pico-itx-mods/
[02:46:29] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Yeah, it has DVI out, and seraial,parallel too
[02:46:35] <SWPadnos> oh. cool
[02:46:53] <SWPadnos> with a bigger hard drive, it could be a mythTV box
[02:47:08] <SWPadnos> you can get 500G in that form factor I think
[02:47:21] <SWPadnos> and there are enough USB ports to use external storage
[02:47:24] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Good luck getting the cables though. I contacted VIA and they weren't available for sale, He said to goto frys and "buy/return" an picoitx board
[02:47:44] <SWPadnos> cable thief!
[02:47:47] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: While it defaults to IDE, there is a DATA connector too
[02:47:53] <SWPadnos> SATA even
[02:47:59] <SWPadnos> I noticed that
[02:48:03] <JymmmEMC> yeah
[02:48:12] <JymmmEMC> I already maxed out the ram in it
[02:48:49] <SWPadnos> huh. you could get a slim PC case and stick the artigo in one slot, a DVD drive in the other, and have a nice little HTPC
[02:49:06] <JymmmEMC> HT?
[02:49:08] <SWPadnos> or pull the thing apart and stick it in an even thinner case
[02:49:11] <SWPadnos> home theater
[02:49:38] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: I'm thinking WRT54GL+OpenWRT and PicoITX
[02:49:39] <eric_unterhausen> I have some tape drive boxen that would work well for that
[02:49:51] <jmkasunich> SWPadnos: the EDN article I read compared the Artigo to that Atom board (and a couple others)
[02:49:56] <SWPadnos> yeah, an external DLT case would be plenty big enough
[02:49:57] <jmkasunich> the Artigo stunk up the place
[02:50:01] <SWPadnos> heh
[02:50:10] <SWPadnos> I haven't tried it with anything RT yet
[02:50:11] <jmkasunich> about 1/5 to 1/10 the speed, and about 3x the price
[02:50:35] <SWPadnos> I think JymmmEMC tried the EMC2/8.04 CD, and it sucked
[02:50:42] <SWPadnos> could have been 6.06 though
[02:50:53] <SWPadnos> the price on these was hard to beat
[02:51:03] <JymmmEMC> real hard
[02:51:06] <SWPadnos> heh
[02:51:13] <eric_unterhausen> free?
[02:51:17] <SWPadnos> yes
[02:51:21] <eric_unterhausen> nice
[02:51:33] <JymmmEMC> Eh, I'll toss emc on a bootable usb stick and try it sometime
[02:51:46] <eric_unterhausen> dual core atom
[02:51:52] <JymmmEMC> http://www.willudesign.com/Bt320gTop.html
[02:51:57] <SWPadnos> I thought you had tried it
[02:52:11] <SWPadnos> or did you give up when the parallel port cable/board proved to be unavailable?
[02:52:17] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: with a emc cd that I had, not sure if it was the latest or not
[02:52:22] <SWPadnos> ok
[02:52:43] <SWPadnos> it would have been a little early for the 8.04 one, since the show was in April
[02:52:52] <jmkasunich> http://www.edn.com/article/CA6625435.html
[02:52:55] <eric_unterhausen> there is some $99 box that only does netflix, anyone know what I'm talking about?
[02:52:57] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: There are somethings para/serial that are on headers. The DVI/SATA is on funky connector though
[02:53:11] <JymmmEMC> eric_unterhausen: Yes, and for $200 you can use an XBOX
[02:53:23] <SWPadnos> or for $300 you can use a TiVo
[02:53:32] <JymmmEMC> but you need to have the premium XBOX live to via netflix
[02:53:33] <SWPadnos> or maybe that's $500. hard to remember all these things
[02:53:48] <eric_unterhausen> let's see, each of those options is an integer multiple of $99
[02:54:06] <eric_unterhausen> roku
[02:54:10] <JymmmEMC> or for $0 you can scrape all the parts from your junk box like I did and make a TVPC with full IR kybd/mouse
[02:54:33] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Did you ever see that kybd when you were here?
[02:54:40] <eric_unterhausen> right after I get the mill and lathe working, and the light in the bathroom, and the sink in the basement
[02:54:57] <SWPadnos> I think so - you had it "connected" to the living room PC which was attached to the TV, right?
[02:55:06] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: yep
[02:56:12] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: I'm still looking for a replacement for the pc though... the hdd in it is chugging along
[02:56:27] <SWPadnos> plenty to be found on NewEgg
[02:56:44] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Find one that has SVIDEO out from BIOS
[02:56:46] <eric_unterhausen> get one of the atoms and run the latency test on it for us
[02:57:11] <JymmmEMC> It's really weird seeing the BIOS on the TV too btw!
[02:57:13] <SWPadnos> jmkasunich is about to do that
[02:57:36] <SWPadnos> he just got an atom board, and will be getting things going this weekend (unless we keep bugging him :) )
[02:57:39] <eric_unterhausen> if we trusted jmkasunich, we should trust that eric guy that posted his results on the wiki :)
[02:57:47] <SWPadnos> nah
[02:57:47] <JymmmEMC> Yeah, jmkasunich is the current beta-bitch-of-the-week (TM)
[02:57:49] <SWPadnos> he's a flake
[02:57:54] <jmkasunich> I trust that eric guy
[02:57:55] <eric_unterhausen> it wasn't me
[02:58:05] <SWPadnos> of course not
[02:58:05] <jmkasunich> I'll trust him more when I duplicate his results ;-)
[02:58:10] <SWPadnos> I wouldn't say that to your face
[02:58:11] <JymmmEMC> lol
[02:58:14] <SWPadnos> well, maybe I would
[02:58:27] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: you would
[02:58:29] <eric_unterhausen> well, seeing as how I'm a flake ...
[02:58:45] <JymmmEMC> bbl... gonna abuse the 400 channels we have for a month
[02:59:57] <eric_unterhausen> brave new world has actually arrived, but somebody already trademarked Soma, gvmnt will have to come up with a different name for their pacifying drug
[03:00:11] <SWPadnos> Soma was a puzzle cube in the '70s
[03:00:32] <SWPadnos> a bit like physical 3D tetris :)
[03:00:55] <eric_unterhausen> do you think they named it after the fictional drug?
[03:01:05] <SWPadnos> no idea
[03:02:47] <eric_unterhausen> the wikipedia article on soma is interesting
[03:03:48] <SWPadnos> it was a fun toy when I was a kid
[03:03:59] <eric_unterhausen> i barely remember that game
[03:04:32] <SWPadnos> I only remember a few of the other shapes - the bed was one, I think there was a pyramid-like thing
[03:04:45] <SWPadnos> ok, so maybe I only remember one or two :)
[03:08:53] <eric_unterhausen> trying to figure out why google maps stays away from state college pa
[03:09:07] <SWPadnos> go lions!
[03:09:52] <SWPadnos> they do seem to have crappy imagery there
[03:10:04] <eric_unterhausen> I want street view
[03:10:29] <eric_unterhausen> and it would be nice to have satellite
[03:14:49] <SWPadnos> this person is confused: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=330275795306
[03:16:02] <cradek> the image is hotlinked to amazon.com
[03:16:40] <cradek> the seller has 43867 auctions going...
[03:16:54] <SWPadnos> oh, one of those
[03:17:00] <cradek> probably all just amazon merchandise
[03:17:44] <cradek> 8300 feedbacks in the last month
[03:18:24] <SWPadnos> they have a pretty good precentage actually, for a place with that many feedbacks
[03:18:29] <SWPadnos> 105552 total
[03:19:29] <jmkasunich> the McDonalds of ebay
[03:19:34] <jmkasunich> billions and billions served
[03:19:35] <SWPadnos> one of several
[03:19:46] <jmkasunich> most of them go away somewhat happy
[03:20:08] <jmkasunich> but pity the ones who have some problem - how can they deal with that many customers
[03:20:25] <cradek> impossible
[03:21:21] <SWPadnos> 8300/mo is about 280/day, so a staff of 10 people or so can deal with it
[03:21:39] <SWPadnos> maybe 400/day since the work week isn't 7 days
[04:44:36] <Ziegler> anyone have some advice of where I might find some HSS blanks... ~15" long 1" wide 1/4" thick
[04:44:57] <Ziegler> dimensions dont have to be exact
[04:48:48] <dgarr> google for hss planer blades might give you some possibilities
[04:49:32] <Ziegler> (trying to help out a budy who is a wood worker... he wants to make his own lathe tools... )
[04:49:50] <Ziegler> planer blades are a good idea
[04:50:25] <stiles> silver solder the HSS and grind
[04:50:58] <Ziegler> ahh... good idea
[04:51:13] <Ziegler> what metal would you recommend for the beef of the tool then?
[04:52:27] <stiles> whatever I had on hand or could get for free that would work, any kind of steel should work
[04:53:50] <Ziegler> :D
[04:56:55] <Ziegler> Thank you gents
[04:57:01] <stiles> do you know what alloy of HSS is typically used?
[05:01:07] <Ziegler> M2 for wood
[05:01:21] <Ziegler> Maybe M4
[05:01:43] <Ziegler> dont know for certain... but for wood... I can image why it would matter much
[05:02:15] <Ziegler> (I realize metal matters... but as for hss alloys... I am not sure that it would)
[05:02:17] <stiles> if you wanted to buy just stock I'd check out a Crucible Steel vendor
[05:02:36] <Ziegler> oh.. not familiar with that
[05:02:45] <Ziegler> googling
[05:03:17] <stiles> crucible sells lots of speciallity metals, tool steel, mold steel, knife steel, etc
[05:03:27] <Ziegler> this who you mean? http://www.crucibleservice.com/
[05:03:46] <stiles> yep
[05:03:59] <Ziegler> awsome... thank you
[05:04:02] <Ziegler> awesome
[05:04:06] <stiles> np
[05:10:30] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Do you know the difference between regular TV, and cable/fiber TV ?
[05:10:54] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Do you know the difference between regular TV, and cable/fiber TV with 500+ channels?
[05:11:11] <SWPadnos> uh, one comes through the air, the other via cable?
[05:11:49] <SWPadnos> I don't know that cable can do 500 channels unless you have a set-top box to tune the higher channels
[05:11:51] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: No, it just takes you MUCH long to find out that there's still nothing on!
[05:11:52] <SWPadnos> satellite can
[05:11:57] <SWPadnos> heh
[05:12:08] <SWPadnos> Bruce Springsteen needs to update his song
[05:12:17] <SWPadnos> "570+ channels and nothing on"
[05:12:55] <JymmmEMC> Well 495 here
[05:13:14] <SWPadnos> I think there are only 160 or 183 channels (or something like that) that most cable-capable TVs can tune in
[05:13:36] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: This is the IPTV the highest channel is 9999
[05:13:38] <SWPadnos> anything above that has to be tuned with a specialized device
[05:13:45] <JymmmEMC> STB
[05:13:55] <SWPadnos> those aren't channels at all, they're streams
[05:14:07] <SWPadnos> the data doesn't arrive in your house unless you ask for it
[05:14:17] <SWPadnos> (like high bandwidth IRC :) )
[05:14:38] <JymmmEMC> No, as I change the channel in the guide, I can see the image
[05:14:49] <JymmmEMC> err movie
[05:14:50] <SWPadnos> they call them channels so people will understand how to deal with them
[05:15:12] <SWPadnos> sure, they're different programs, but you're obviously not receiving all of them and selecting the one you want to watch
[05:15:21] <SWPadnos> that's how it works with TV/cable
[05:15:23] <JymmmEMC> I just found out that the STB's are running WindowsCE
[05:15:38] <SWPadnos> you get all the data all the time, and you select which one you want to pay attention to
[05:15:38] <JymmmEMC> STB & DVR
[05:16:01] <JymmmEMC> STB & DVR running WindowsCE, I wonder if I cna infect it with a virus =)
[05:16:06] <SWPadnos> with a computer/internet TV thing (which I assume you're talking about), you tell the server which stream to send down the wire to your house
[05:16:35] <SWPadnos> so you're selecting from a lot of available streams, but you're not "tuning in channels"
[05:16:38] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Well, if that's true, then it's INSTANT as I channel surf
[05:17:05] <SWPadnos> sure, it should be possible to update in one frame or field, so 1/30 or 1/60 second
[05:17:20] <SWPadnos> it's the same connection, just different pictures
[05:17:20] <JymmmEMC> is wireshark gui?
[05:17:24] <SWPadnos> no idea
[05:17:39] <SWPadnos> is that a competitor or successor to ethereal?
[05:17:46] <JymmmEMC> yeah
[05:18:03] <SWPadnos> then it should be - later versions of ethereal had a (G)UI
[05:18:12] <SWPadnos> multi-pane thing
[05:19:03] <JymmmEMC> The STB's are on the same subnet as the hosts on the LAN
[05:20:10] <SWPadnos> so you should be able to snoop the packets and display them elsewhere
[05:20:28] <JymmmEMC> yeah, how the hell do you use sudo in gui?
[05:20:29] <SWPadnos> if they're not encrypted (and maybe if they are)
[05:20:43] <SWPadnos> gksudo is for GUI programs
[05:20:49] <SWPadnos> in Ubuntu
[05:22:10] <JymmmEMC> thanks
[05:22:21] <SWPadnos> sure
[05:23:21] <JymmmEMC> weird, won't let me select an iface
[05:24:28] <SWPadnos> is there a problem switching to promiscuous mode?
[05:25:00] <JymmmEMC> I don't think so, just that NO ifaces show up. if I do gksudo, they do, but locks up
[05:25:10] <SWPadnos> hmm
[05:26:01] <JymmmEMC> works when I do sudo wireshark *shrug*
[05:26:54] <SWPadnos> how were you running it with gksudo?
[05:27:05] <JymmmEMC> gksudo wireshark
[05:27:11] <SWPadnos> from a terminal?
[05:27:18] <JymmmEMC> yeah
[05:27:22] <SWPadnos> ok, that's no good :)
[05:27:43] <SWPadnos> you use gksudo with the "run" dialog or as a command for an icon
[05:27:50] <JymmmEMC> ah
[05:27:58] <JymmmEMC> Hmmm, lots of ARP traffic
[05:28:03] <SWPadnos> sudo in a terminal, and it's only good for processes that are children of that terminal
[05:28:08] <stiles> ethereal changed the name to wireshark
[05:38:47] <JymmmEMC> Hmmm, maybe on a vlan. Guess I'll have to toss wireshark into one of the STB's to capture.
[05:46:08] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: PCConnection has IdeaPAd S10e for $299. for as much as you are on the road, you should consider it.
[05:47:31] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: If you install ubuntu on it, it finds everything audio/video/nic/wifi, just be leary of lack of pwr mgnt
[05:48:13] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: uses sata hdd, VERY easy to upgrade ram and or to swap out hdd's.
[05:48:31] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: also has pciexpress/34 slot of you need additional iface
[05:49:54] <SWPadnos> yeah, I've thought about a netbook for a while now
[05:50:09] <SWPadnos> the eeepc1000 looks good too
[05:52:06] <ds3> the 1000 istoo big
[06:48:46] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: IdeaPad has 10.3" screen, the others have 8.9" all are 1024x600
[06:50:28] <SWPadnos> eee1000 is 10.2"
[06:51:42] <JymmmEMC> does it have a PCIExpress/34 slot?
[11:26:12] <BigJohnT> anyone know how to center a led or retled in a vertical box with pyvcp? seems like most other widgets are centered...
[11:28:39] <BigJohnT> retled > rectled
[11:43:46] <BigJohnT> http://imagebin.ca/view/Opg-IKDI.html
[12:33:49] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: cool
[12:34:14] <BigJohnT> morning alex_joni
[12:34:21] <alex_joni> maybe you can add some color to the spindle speed dial (make 2750..3000 red or so) :)
[12:34:33] <alex_joni> (if your purpose is to show eyecandy)
[12:35:01] <BigJohnT> just want to show a nice pyvcp panel
[12:35:13] <alex_joni> looks good
[12:35:15] <BigJohnT> any idea on how to center the led in the vbox
[12:35:23] <alex_joni> (and makes sense for a vcp :)
[12:35:31] <alex_joni> maybe add brake ..
[12:35:37] <BigJohnT> :)
[12:36:00] <alex_joni> spindle-brake..
[12:36:45] <BigJohnT> it's pretty cool to watch the needle wind up with the gs2 vfd
[12:37:49] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes back to his bloody welding
[12:38:09] <alex_joni> first one in years which doesn't want to work right :/
[12:38:20] <BigJohnT> robot?
[12:54:39] <alex_joni> yeah, but on thin stainless
[12:58:18] <BigJohnT> yuck
[14:25:48] <__invite__> does axis use pyopengl or is it directly calling the c GL header ?
[14:28:23] <__invite__> hmm apparlently minigl.c is used => Why doesn't it use pyopengl gl binding?
[14:42:47] <alex_joni> because pyopengl is buggy
[17:52:38] <BigJohnT> anyone have a favorite screen capture program for recording a screen while things happen not just a snapshot...
[17:56:07] <skunkworks> linux?
[17:56:27] <BigJohnT> yea
[17:57:30] <skunkworks> http://emergent.unpy.net/01196105360
[17:59:15] <BigJohnT> thanks skunkworks
[18:08:59] <dmess> hi all
[18:09:48] <eric_unterhausen> someone just looked up my wife's home phone number on the internet somewhere
[18:10:04] <eric_unterhausen> not listed under her name, different last names
[18:14:22] <dmess> thats odd isnt it??
[18:14:43] <eric_unterhausen> when a patient's mother calls out of the blue, it's worse than odd
[18:16:47] <jmkasunich> hmm
[18:17:09] <jmkasunich> I thought you meant that somebody looking for someone else (different last name) got your wife by mistake
[18:17:20] <SWPadnos> at least it wasn't my mother who called
[18:17:25] <SWPadnos> you need a lot of patience for that
[18:19:29] <eric_unterhausen> I was surprised when I googled her name, there are a ton of listings for health care lookup
[18:32:01] <dmess> any one ever used caelinux???
[18:34:40] <jmkasunich> make sure you use your ESD wrist-strap: http://www.microwaves101.com/content/images/Mortuary/alex/square_knot_500.jpg
[18:36:37] <jmkasunich> nice: http://www.microwaves101.com/content/images/Mortuary/Verizon/VerizonDamage_small.jpg
[18:36:44] <jmkasunich> drill carefully
[18:37:07] <eric_unterhausen> you could never do that intentionally
[18:41:21] <skunkworks> seems odd that it isn't in conduit. seems like newish constuction. must be local code thing.
[18:41:44] <jmkasunich> doesn't look newish to me
[18:41:59] <jmkasunich> siding was probably replaced, house could be 50+ years old
[18:42:37] <archivist> could be armoured cable
[18:42:58] <skunkworks> not that it mattered - they still would have drilled thru it. ;)
[18:58:47] <DanielFalck> when is the board election and how does one get a ballot?
[18:59:21] <SWPadnos> you should have received a ballot in your email a few days ago
[18:59:34] <skunkworks> jmkasunich: this is a nice morsel of info.. http://www.irf.com/technical-info/designtp/dt99-7.pdf
[18:59:35] <SWPadnos> with instructions on how to return it for counting
[18:59:35] <DanielFalck> I'm on the email list but haven't got one
[18:59:39] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[19:00:03] <SWPadnos> still getting email at yahoo?
[19:00:14] <DanielFalck> yes
[19:00:38] <SWPadnos> strange. check your spam folder if you have one
[19:00:44] <DanielFalck> looking in a spam folder now
[19:01:00] <SWPadnos> the email was sent on January 23 at midnight EST, from Michael Cornelius
[19:01:09] <SWPadnos> subject "EMC Board Ballot"
[19:02:05] <SWPadnos> you're not the first to ask about this, so it would be good to verify whether the ballots got lost in transit or if they were never sent to some people
[19:02:20] <DanielFalck> I don't see it in the spam folder
[19:03:03] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[19:03:05] <cradek> I got mine at Date: Thu, 22 Jan 2009 23:05:24 -0600 (CST)
[19:03:37] <SWPadnos> oh - mine must have been "midnight in the morning" rather than "midnight in the evening" on the 23rd
[19:03:37] <DanielFalck> bbl -cub scout stuff.
[19:03:50] <eric_unterhausen> it's a conspiracy
[19:04:02] <SWPadnos> shhhh
[19:04:21] <SWPadnos> how can we consipre efficiently if you go blabbing?
[19:04:34] <cradek> no, it's a sad state of affairs that email is no longer a reliable way to communicate, because of things people do to counteract spammers
[19:05:21] <SWPadnos> cradek, can you check with Michael to get a count of ballots sent (or something)?
[19:05:28] <SWPadnos> just to eliminate errors at that end
[19:05:32] <archivist> I write off yahoo completely these days
[19:06:24] <archivist> there was someone else who asked as if they missed a ballot email
[19:06:26] <SWPadnos> DanielFalck, I assume you were checking a spam folder on Yahoo, not one on your local machine. If not, please check on the Yahoo site
[19:06:31] <skunkworks> lost ballots! I demand a recount!!!
[19:06:56] <SWPadnos> (my ISP filters some stuff on the server side, so it never hits the inbox to get downloaded by Mozilla)
[19:07:09] <skunkworks> wasn't there an issue last year were some emails were not sent? I remember 2 counts for some reason.
[19:07:22] <dmess> WTF is this now Florida???
[19:07:35] <skunkworks> MN senate race..
[19:07:42] <SWPadnos> no, we have no chads
[19:07:49] <cradek> skunkworks: yes but that was my fault for not coercing a complete list out of sourceforge's web interface
[19:07:57] <skunkworks> ah - ok.
[19:08:40] <skunkworks> I usually remember just enough to not be helpful.
[19:08:42] <cradek> DanielFalck: I think you should email michael directly and ask for help. he will have the logs and will be able to tell you if/why yahoo rejected it
[19:08:45] <archivist> cradek, did you see tomp missed out as well
[19:09:10] <cradek> * cradek sighs
[19:09:28] <cradek> I have the same advice for him then
[19:10:30] <JymmmEMC> At work we don't delete spam, just append [SPAM] to the subject, then move it into the user's trash folder (imap). Then if there is something important, they can always check the trash if false-positive. ie the sender's MTA is misconfigured, etc.
[19:11:50] <SWPadnos> JymmmEMC, yep, that's why it's important to use the web interface (or IMAP if available) to check for spam
[19:15:22] <JymmmEMC> I guess he "had to go" !
[19:17:38] <KimK_> KimK_ is now known as KimK
[20:30:20] <jensor> Is there anything in g code that can be put into a loop that would indicate on the axis display the count of the loop counter?
[20:33:04] <dmess> hmm... good question
[20:33:33] <dmess> it could be an L or P maybe
[20:34:36] <SWPadnos> you could make a pyvcp panel with the indicator, and have an M1xx program that just does a setp with the P or Q number (which could be your loop variable, like this: M101 P#100 )
[20:34:59] <dmess> G91 G81 z-10. r3.0 f15.0 L6
[20:35:20] <dmess> SWP would that not step 6 times??
[20:35:24] <SWPadnos> the program for M101 would then be a shell script that looks something like halcmd setp my-panel.pinname $(P)
[20:35:34] <SWPadnos> I have no idea
[20:36:00] <SWPadnos> the question I'm answering is how to get a number from G-code to a display
[20:36:08] <SWPadnos> not how to use canned cycles :)
[20:36:40] <SWPadnos> (which you can't display anyway, since the cycle is one G-code line, and the counter is internal, not a variable)
[20:38:24] <KimK> Hi SWP. I saw the comment about balloting, is it too late to join the list?
[20:38:56] <SWPadnos> yes. if you're not subscribed to either the user or developer email lists, then it is too late
[20:39:00] <SWPadnos> sorry about that
[20:39:20] <SWPadnos> if you are subscribed to one or the other list, you should already have received a ballot
[20:39:47] <KimK> OK, no problem. Guess I've got another year to get my email accounts straightened out, LOL
[20:40:17] <SWPadnos> heh
[20:50:21] <dmess> swp... have you ever looked at CAELINUX??
[20:51:14] <dmess> the live dvd has a setup for ndiswrapper wireless setup... was painless
[20:58:45] <SWPadnos> I've only seen the website, never downloaded or used it
[21:02:46] <dmess> its a very nice suite of tools if could remember what to do with them... has vbox as part of the live cd
[21:14:19] <eric_unterhausen> I don't really understand why caelinux needs to be a distribution
[21:20:06] <dmess> nor i but its pretty sweet
[21:35:55] <DanielFalck> cradek: SWPadnos, thanks, I'm sending email to michael right now
[21:57:26] <maddash> my gift to all of you programmers who care for his/her shift key: xmodmap -e "keycode 48 = quotedbl apostrophe"
[21:58:04] <maddash> use this wisely, for great power comes with great responsibility!
[21:59:38] <DanielFalck> I guess if we have to ask what/where used, we don't deserve the gift :)
[22:00:08] <jepler> DanielFalck: at a guess, it swaps ' and ", so that unshifted gives " and shifted gives '
[22:00:21] <jepler> in some programming languages, " is used a lot more than '
[22:00:36] <eric_unterhausen> is that why matlab uses single quote, lazy programmers? I hate that
[22:00:37] <maddash> he sees the light!
[22:01:34] <maddash> heh.
[22:01:42] <maddash> my r_shitf broke
[22:25:20] <jepler> r_shitf(): in a thread-safe fashion, overflow the stack and execute arbitrary code
[22:33:04] <SWPadnos> r_shitf(): refresh inebriated state
[22:33:10] <SWPadnos> (short form)
[22:33:41] <eric_unterhausen> f() short for face?
[22:33:47] <SWPadnos> indeed :)
[22:33:55] <SWPadnos> faced actually
[22:34:02] <eric_unterhausen> I'm going to remember that
[22:34:26] <eric_unterhausen> trying to figure out some short way of expressing "b sub sigma"
[22:34:39] <eric_unterhausen> that doesn't involve tex
[22:35:11] <SWPadnos> use OpenOffice Math
[22:35:52] <eric_unterhausen> problem with tex is it's $B_s, which gives away the meaning :)
[22:36:09] <SWPadnos> hrh
[22:36:15] <SWPadnos> s/r/e/
[22:39:42] <JymmmEMC> http://www1.chapman.edu/~jipsen/mathml/asciimathdemo.html
[22:40:54] <eric_unterhausen> that is nice
[22:41:07] <JymmmEMC> Note that this is dynamic XHTML running locally on your machine!
[22:41:08] <JymmmEMC> Right-click on an output formula to copy or view the MathML code.
[23:14:51] <maddash> JymmmEMC: psht. http://mathbin.net