#emc | Logs for 2008-09-21

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[00:59:16] <jmkasunich> cute instrument makers horizontal mill: http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/search-products/product-detail.aspx?id=30-683-802&searchtable=2&sortExpression=&SortASC=&pageSize=50&currentPageIndex=0
[01:01:15] <stustev> jmk: have you seen the video of the cinci cutting the test part?
[01:12:04] <jmkasunich> yeah, just found it when I read back
[01:12:07] <jmkasunich> very cool
[01:12:43] <jmkasunich> I noticed that when someone asked how many EMC machines you have you said 2, the knee mill and the cinci... is the G&L not operating yet?
[01:14:01] <stustev> no - I stopped trying to do more than one machine when I welded the inside of the spindle of the cinci
[01:14:37] <stustev> hopefully, I will get the G&L going shortly now.
[01:15:14] <jmkasunich> one project at a time is more than enough sometimes
[01:15:26] <stustev> yeah
[01:18:16] <dgarr> stustev: excellent work -- inspirational video!
[01:18:39] <dgarr> nice job on the editing too -- what software did you use?
[01:19:30] <stustev> NCL is the programming system I use - it is an APT style system
[01:20:23] <stustev> jmk: how is the spindle project progressing?
[01:20:36] <jmkasunich> slowly but somewhat steadily
[01:20:59] <jmkasunich> I made a test collet the other day, need to adjust the taper for the next one
[01:21:07] <jmkasunich> but first I have to shorten a drawbar
[01:21:18] <stustev> always something
[01:21:19] <jmkasunich> I have one set up in the lathe, gotta write the program (cut and thread)
[01:21:36] <jmkasunich> I'm not looking forward to the threading part, its gonna spring a lot
[01:21:49] <stustev> oww
[01:21:52] <jmkasunich> 6mm diameter, and the shape forces me to do it with close to 2" of stickout
[01:22:01] <stustev> yuck
[01:22:14] <stustev> no chance to use a center support?
[01:22:22] <jmkasunich> doesn't look like it
[01:22:31] <stustev> much yuck
[01:22:47] <stustev> can't find a die?
[01:22:54] <jmkasunich> since the shoptask uses the cross-slide as the mill table, it is 6" wide, and you can't get the tailstock close
[01:23:16] <jmkasunich> unlike a lathe, where the tailstock has its own ways and can slide in between the "legs" of the saddle
[01:23:40] <jmkasunich> I may try re-arranging things to see if I can use the center
[01:23:58] <jmkasunich> if I thread it before I cut it that might help - the extra inch might let me reach with a center
[01:24:06] <stustev> what does the tailstock have to hold tools?
[01:24:12] <jmkasunich> MT3 taper
[01:24:36] <stustev> maybe some type of extension?
[01:24:40] <jmkasunich> I have an MT3 to MT2 extension, and an MT2 dead center
[01:24:55] <jmkasunich> but dead centers and the speed needed to cut 6mm don't seem to get along
[01:24:57] <stustev> already tried it - huh?
[01:25:00] <jmkasunich> my live center is MT3
[01:25:14] <jmkasunich> I haven't tried it for this job
[01:25:29] <jmkasunich> the extension would certainly be long enough to reach
[01:26:21] <jmkasunich> I had a busy last couple of days, (my brother came up to visit), but I should make some progress tomorrow
[01:27:00] <stustev> family is not usually a pain but they can consume a lot of time
[01:27:08] <jmkasunich> heh
[01:27:16] <jmkasunich> I got to make some chips for him
[01:27:22] <stustev> neat
[01:27:42] <jmkasunich> I picked up some aluminum cheap (guy on craigs list selling blocks) and he wanted some
[01:27:53] <jmkasunich> I milled them flat and square for him on the van norman
[01:28:19] <jmkasunich> 5-1/4 x 4-1/4 x 1-7/8 x 12 pieces
[01:28:21] <stustev> just wanted square (rectangular) blocks?
[01:28:59] <jmkasunich> just stocking up - us home shop guys latch onto cheap metal when we find it
[01:29:25] <jmkasunich> the seller is a shop making an L shaped part, and selling the chunk they saw out of the inside of the L
[01:29:25] <stustev> understood
[01:29:44] <jmkasunich> works out to $1.50 a pound, which is darned good for 6061
[01:29:53] <stustev> yes
[01:31:37] <stustev> your brother has a home metal shop?
[01:32:03] <jmkasunich> not to the same degree as me
[01:32:18] <jmkasunich> he has a 9" lathe, but he mostly does minor fab stuff
[01:32:37] <jmkasunich> harbor frieight bandsaw, welder, angle grinder, etc
[01:32:55] <stustev> fun
[01:33:34] <jmkasunich> I ran across some nice machine keyboards at HGR today
[01:33:43] <jmkasunich> http://www.hgrindustrialsurplus.com/search-products/product-detail.aspx?id=14-115-042
[01:33:47] <stustev> membrane over them?
[01:33:48] <jmkasunich> all sealed
[01:34:14] <jmkasunich> nice little joystick-ish mouse replacement on the right
[01:34:28] <stustev> those look SWEET
[01:35:11] <jmkasunich> they weren't price marked or the labels had fallen off - I dunno if I would have bought one on speculation at that price or not
[01:35:15] <stustev> suppose they are compatable with a PC?
[01:35:17] <jmkasunich> I kind of regret that I didn't
[01:35:28] <jmkasunich> they have what appears to be two PS-2 connectors
[01:35:43] <jmkasunich> I'm guessing KB and mouse
[01:35:52] <stustev> you're too fast
[01:36:04] <jmkasunich> ?
[01:36:26] <stustev> I was just typing when you answered my question
[01:36:29] <jmkasunich> heh
[01:36:38] <stustev> how many do they have?
[01:36:58] <jmkasunich> 2
[01:37:09] <jmkasunich> there were three when I saw them, when I went back later one was gone
[01:37:28] <stustev> can I buy them online?
[01:37:45] <jmkasunich> not online, but you can call them Monday morning
[01:38:18] <stustev> I will try it - I like the looks of them - especially sealed
[01:38:30] <jmkasunich> most stuff there is negotiable - if I was there in person, I'd probably offer $50 each and see what they say
[01:38:55] <jmkasunich> dunno if that works on the phone or not - for a phone order, they have to do the legwork of finding the item, etc
[01:39:04] <stustev> I will try that
[01:39:26] <stustev> do you remember the aisle number (location)
[01:39:29] <stustev> ha ha
[01:39:34] <jmkasunich> btw, the location isn't listed - tell them it is at the front corner of the big area of small items by aisle 4 - 5- 6
[01:39:46] <stustev> thanks
[01:39:58] <stustev> bbiam
[01:46:02] <DanielFalck> I bought some stuff from them recently- two Hardinge 2nd op lathes and an old comparator- they definitely will negotiate over the phone : )
[01:46:26] <DanielFalck> the freight is going to be a lot more than the price of the machines
[01:46:43] <jmkasunich> yeah, thats the thing
[01:46:52] <jmkasunich> every penny they took off the price, they added to the freight
[01:47:09] <DanielFalck> haven't received them yet, but I should shortley
[01:47:12] <DanielFalck> shortly
[01:47:29] <jmkasunich> I have no doubt they'll negotiate for a machine, but for a $70 item, who knows
[01:47:42] <jmkasunich> the more recently it arrived, the less they bend on price
[01:47:55] <jmkasunich> and this stuff is pretty new - definitely wasn't there last month
[01:48:27] <jmkasunich> those would be a nice deal even at the listed price tho
[01:48:42] <stustev> no harm in trying - if they sill have them
[01:48:46] <stustev> still
[01:48:56] <jmkasunich> they will monday morning
[01:49:17] <jmkasunich> the website is updated after close of business
[01:49:28] <stustev> but how many did they start with last monday? they may be selling a lot of them
[01:49:47] <jmkasunich> so unless somebody snuck em out under their coat, they won't disappear between now and opening
[01:50:12] <jmkasunich> hard to say what they had a week ago
[01:50:34] <jmkasunich> the same area had a medium sized pile of other AB industrial PC stuff
[01:51:02] <stustev> do they have most everything on the website?
[01:51:10] <jmkasunich> yes
[01:51:21] <jmkasunich> the website is driven directly from their inventory system
[01:51:54] <jmkasunich> the in-house computers on the salesmen's desks are updated instantly when something sells, and the site is updated every few hours
[01:52:11] <stustev> they have few pages - I will peruse that for a while - I went there from your link this evening and started looking around - interesting stuff
[01:52:51] <stustev> much like what Boeing Surplus and the The Yard Store were like 5 years ago
[01:54:41] <jmkasunich> I think these are the keyboards: http://www.ab.com/industrialcomputers/accessories/keyboards.html
[01:55:32] <stustev> i want, i want, i want
[01:55:32] <jmkasunich> three button mice - unix friendly :-)
[01:56:13] <JymmmEMC> ew, $3 kybd and stretch wrap =)
[01:56:19] <JymmmEMC> s/ew/eh/
[01:56:20] <jmkasunich> I should put your number on my cell phone for the next time I'm there.... "I wonder if Stuart wants that"
[01:56:32] <stustev> do it!
[01:56:33] <jmkasunich> I've made such calls to a couple other regulars in this channel
[01:56:56] <jmkasunich> they're open one Saturday a month, and I go almost every month
[01:57:04] <jmkasunich> today I got out of there cheap
[01:57:06] <JymmmEMC> heh, I do that to SWPadnos a few times..."Hey thave rolls of blah for $1/ea
[01:57:09] <stustev> I would too
[01:57:29] <jmkasunich> $10 for four pieces of small energy chain style flex cable tray
[01:57:40] <stustev> go that is - probably not cheap though
[01:57:44] <jmkasunich> about 1-1/2 x 3" cross section and about 2 feet long
[01:57:59] <JymmmEMC> that's not bad at all
[01:58:05] <JymmmEMC> if you can use it
[01:58:06] <jmkasunich> and $20 for an auto air-conditioning compressor - I want the clutch for my spindle project
[01:58:32] <jmkasunich> clutches alone go for $50+on ebay
[01:58:38] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: an AC clutch is strong enough for a spindle?
[01:58:47] <jmkasunich> I guess I'll find out
[01:58:52] <JymmmEMC> lol, ok, ok
[01:58:55] <jmkasunich> AC probably draws 3-5 HP
[01:59:03] <jmkasunich> my spindle is 1kW = 1.5 HP
[01:59:09] <JymmmEMC> ah
[01:59:30] <JymmmEMC> FUCk this pos usb dvd drive!!! (sorry)
[02:00:20] <JymmmEMC> I've been trying to boot a vmware cd for the last two hours!
[02:00:33] <stustev> somehow the sorry seems a little disingenuous :)
[02:00:49] <JymmmEMC> stuste and/or DUH ;)
[02:01:16] <JymmmEMC> it's the ONLY usb drive I have available
[02:01:24] <stustev> why do you want to use vmware - so you can run linux in windows?
[02:01:36] <JymmmEMC> technically it's ESXi
[02:02:32] <JymmmEMC> This is a 1U dual XEON server and I want to test it out if this type of box has enough guts
[02:03:00] <stustev> I used vmware until about 5 years ago. I used it to run windows on a linux box. I thought it was windows in a rubber room. NOT SO
[02:03:39] <jmkasunich> windows escaped?
[02:03:45] <stustev> the windows user over filled the hard drive with graphics and trashed the linux partition the vmware was installed on.
[02:03:50] <stustev> haven't used it since
[02:03:57] <jmkasunich> eww
[02:04:11] <jmkasunich> I use vmware to run win95 for the two remaining windows programs that I use
[02:04:12] <JymmmEMC> stustev: you can't do that these days.
[02:04:38] <JymmmEMC> But this is for a server in the datacenter, not on a workstation that I'm eval
[02:04:42] <stustev> i know - i don't use vmware
[02:05:07] <JymmmEMC> it's come a LONG way, you should reconcider it
[02:05:27] <stustev> virtual box runs great
[02:06:27] <JymmmEMC> as long as you dont need USB
[02:06:48] <stustev> I use virtual box and a usb dongle to run NCL
[02:07:04] <JymmmEMC> then you might have the PSE
[02:07:11] <JymmmEMC> not OSE
[02:07:26] <stustev> yes - I paid for it
[02:07:33] <JymmmEMC> k
[02:10:08] <jmkasunich> stustev: did you get my pm?
[02:13:42] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: No but I did.... you should be ashame of yourself =)
[02:14:17] <jmkasunich> phttttpbt
[02:16:30] <JymmmEMC> lol
[02:28:32] <JymmmEMC> JymmmEMC is now known as MrAsshole
[02:29:03] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as JymmmEMC
[06:51:36] <ruffy91_2> ruffy91_2 is now known as ruffy91
[08:14:09] <ruffy91> hi
[08:14:46] <ruffy91> can someone please give me the code for current reduction and boost for the 3D-Step card?
[08:22:45] <ruffy91> i've got the sleep mod to work, but if I use this code: http://pastebin.com/f74a54e9a i get the error: "HAL: ERROR: signal 'Xpos-cmd' not found"
[08:24:14] <ruffy91> and "link failed" on the line "newsig Xvel float"
[08:26:04] <ruffy91> got it, it was the caps ^^
[08:31:39] <xemet> hello
[08:31:46] <xemet> I need help with the pluto board
[08:32:43] <xemet> the problem is simple: if I use it connected directly to the PC I've no problem driving three small servos with a max ferror of 0.0015
[08:33:13] <xemet> If I connect it using a cable, everything is wrong, ferror sometimes is 10 and more!!
[08:33:36] <xemet> Do you have experience using this board with a cable?
[09:47:16] <alex_joni> xemet: you probably need a higher quality ieee-1394? cable
[09:52:51] <xemet> I also think so, I will try to buy one...I think lenght is also important
[09:53:21] <xemet> the sortest I've found is 2 meters
[09:53:56] <alex_joni> make sure it has twisted pair inside
[09:54:04] <alex_joni> and a gnd wire for each data wire
[09:54:13] <xemet> but is it ieee-1394?
[09:54:44] <xemet> I use a parallel cable
[09:55:47] <alex_joni> I think it is 1284.. sorry
[09:56:11] <xemet> ah ok
[09:56:15] <alex_joni> the pinout is the same
[09:57:07] <xemet> ok, I will try, I don't see any other solutions
[09:57:20] <xemet> I cannot use the pluto directly connected to the PC board
[09:57:42] <xemet> if I cannot use it wuth a cable this board is useless
[10:09:02] <alex_joni> xemet: you need to make sure the cable you're getting is marked ieee 1284 compatible
[10:09:17] <alex_joni> any other parallel cable will probably be useless for you
[10:09:46] <alex_joni> a regular parallel cable has simple wires inside
[10:09:49] <alex_joni> and not 25 of them
[10:10:05] <alex_joni> they only use one wire for gnd, and one wire for each data signal\
[10:11:39] <alex_joni> usually the feel much thinner than a proper ieee 1284 cable
[10:12:06] <xemet> ok, this is important, I'm writing this 1284 on my note
[10:12:12] <alex_joni> non 1284: http://www.ciao.co.uk/Belkin_Components_Serial_cable_25_pin_D_Sub_DB_25__5368973
[10:12:25] <alex_joni> 1284: http://www.misco.co.uk/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=109563&sourceid=2024
[10:13:24] <xemet> uhm the first is also marked 1284 in the description! So I've to pay no attention on what commercial says
[10:14:01] <xemet> ok, but how can I use the scond cable on the pluto? the connector is different
[10:14:36] <alex_joni> the first one is marked "non 1284"
[10:14:59] <alex_joni> you obviously need to get the connectors you need.. (not sure what the pluto uses)
[10:15:25] <xemet> yes you're right, it is marked NO-ieee1284 I've read it wrong
[10:15:32] <xemet> pluto uses a standard db25
[10:15:56] <alex_joni> db25 are male and female
[10:16:09] <alex_joni> on the PC you have a female connector for parport
[10:17:57] <xemet> and on the pluto I've the male
[10:18:04] <xemet> so the cable need to be male-female
[10:18:11] <alex_joni> ok, so you need a so called "extender cable"
[10:18:27] <xemet> thanks, now I search for it
[10:18:58] <xemet> something like that: http://cgi.ebay.it/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=290243988224
[10:19:16] <xemet> the problem is that it seems really similar to the one I've used...
[10:21:25] <alex_joni> hmm.. sometimes another cable helps..
[10:21:35] <alex_joni> maybe you can ask jepler what cable he uses on the pluto
[10:21:41] <alex_joni> bbl.. lunch
[10:22:56] <xemet> http://www.worldofcables.com/oscatalog/CreateHTMLPagesList/29605.htm
[10:23:12] <xemet> this seems to have all charecteristics you said
[10:49:12] <xemet> thank you very much alex, I've to go
[11:47:17] <Guest655> Hello???
[11:49:20] <BigJohnT> hi
[11:49:25] <Guest655> Hello???
[11:49:31] <BigJohnT> hi
[11:49:36] <Guest655> hey
[11:49:41] <BigJohnT> hi
[11:49:54] <Guest655> are you a emc2 guy?
[11:50:14] <BigJohnT> not a super expert but know a lot
[11:50:21] <Guest655> cool
[11:50:26] <BigJohnT> do you have a question?
[11:50:34] <Guest655> yes
[11:50:56] <Guest655> I am wondering who to contact
[11:51:08] <Guest655> I have a question about
[11:51:35] <Guest655> weather emc2 is interested in a space shot
[11:51:48] <Guest655> using their software
[11:52:03] <Guest655> to control the rocket
[11:53:06] <Guest655> I am an N-Prize contestant
[11:53:18] <BigJohnT> alex_joni: want to go into space?
[11:53:21] <Guest655> Team Prometheus
[11:53:28] <BigJohnT> cool
[11:53:39] <BigJohnT> how big is the rocket?
[11:53:45] <Guest655> Into Orbit first
[11:53:59] <Guest655> 30 ft Long
[11:54:21] <alex_joni> heh
[11:54:22] <BigJohnT> are you controlling the fins or the motors for direction?
[11:54:49] <Guest655> there are fins in the exhaust
[11:55:14] <BigJohnT> ok, to direct the exhaust cool
[11:55:24] <Guest655> a gyro with quadratures
[11:55:43] <BigJohnT> servo motors move the fins?
[11:55:51] <Guest655> yes
[11:55:51] <The_Ball> a mechanical gyro?
[11:55:54] <Guest655> yes
[11:56:11] <Guest655> gimbaled
[11:56:30] <The_Ball> that sounds heavy and crude compared to the very good piezo gyros which are now off the shelf
[11:56:57] <BigJohnT> I used pizo gyros in my model helicopters
[11:57:08] <Guest655> thay are rate gyros
[11:57:15] <Guest655> wont work
[11:57:47] <The_Ball> you get "tail lock" gyros which are not rate i.e. no drift
[11:58:06] <Guest655> hummm
[11:58:30] <Guest655> no drift is good
[11:59:18] <Guest655> I will look at that
[11:59:52] <The_Ball> tail lock gyros have come a very long way the last 5 years, pushed by the model heli gang
[12:00:11] <BigJohnT> what are you using for a computer?
[12:00:15] <Guest655> great Im looking
[12:00:42] <Guest655> a laptop motherboard
[12:01:09] <Guest655> tail lock
[12:01:12] <BigJohnT> most laptops are not good for real time controls
[12:01:30] <BigJohnT> all the power saving stuff I think
[12:01:43] <Guest655> even with realtime linux?
[12:01:59] <BigJohnT> it's a hardware problem with most laptops
[12:02:28] <Guest655> I can modify the hardware
[12:02:55] <Guest655> replace the I/o chips if nessary
[12:03:17] <Guest655> rewrite the bios if need be
[12:03:33] <Guest655> or should I say edit
[12:04:08] <BigJohnT> that is way beyond me...
[12:04:47] <Guest655> it has to fit in an 8 inch diameter cylender
[12:05:03] <The_Ball> why not use the 104 stack?
[12:05:24] <Guest655> ????
[12:05:45] <The_Ball> http://www.pc104.org/
[12:06:00] <anonimasu> cheap piezo gyros work good..
[12:06:02] <The_Ball> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC/104
[12:06:15] <Guest655> wow
[12:06:16] <anonimasu> with proper filters.
[12:06:43] <Guest655> you guys are helping alot
[12:07:07] <BigJohnT> where are you located?
[12:07:20] <Guest655> Austin, Texas
[12:07:35] <BigJohnT> cool, Poplar Bluff MO here
[12:08:08] <Guest655> I have a Team member in MO
[12:08:18] <BigJohnT> cool
[12:08:20] <Guest655> randy I think
[12:08:54] <Guest655> We really are going into orbit
[12:09:12] <BigJohnT> there is a bunch of smart folks on here you just have to catch them on-line
[12:09:34] <BigJohnT> what kind of fuel are you using?
[12:09:41] <Guest655> www.n-prize,com team prometheus
[12:09:59] <Guest655> amonium petrocloride
[12:10:05] <Guest655> alum
[12:10:13] <Guest655> and rubber
[12:10:43] <BigJohnT> rocket motor made by someone else?
[12:11:18] <Guest655> no the cost rules are making us build it
[12:11:38] <BigJohnT> cool
[12:12:00] <Guest655> same stuff as shuttle rocket boosters
[12:12:34] <BigJohnT> I'm sure NASA has some extra laying about in Mississippi :)
[12:13:02] <Guest655> hahaha
[12:13:24] <Guest655> I had to get a special lisence to buy it
[12:13:35] <BigJohnT> I bet
[12:13:59] <Guest655> the legal stuff is 2/3 the battle
[12:14:19] <BigJohnT> and it is gong to get worse but don't get me started :)
[12:14:25] <Guest655> k
[12:14:39] <BigJohnT> do you have the motor built?
[12:14:56] <Guest655> not a full size one yet
[12:15:09] <The_Ball> hey, there's a .au team, I better make contact
[12:15:24] <Guest655> that will be built just before the launch
[12:15:45] <Guest655> yes get involved
[12:16:18] <Guest655> there is a google group n-prize
[12:16:31] <The_Ball> sounds like a bit of fun
[12:16:40] <Guest655> lots of good fun there
[12:17:02] <Guest655> we need machinist you know
[12:17:04] <BigJohnT> so you have to watch the exchange rate before the launch to make sure your under budget
[12:17:21] <BigJohnT> there are a few of them here
[12:17:22] <Guest655> right!
[12:18:05] <Guest655> you could probably sell your services to a team
[12:18:43] <Guest655> nozzle's are cut from graphite
[12:18:48] <BigJohnT> most folks on here are for open source...
[12:19:03] <BigJohnT> solid graphite?
[12:19:11] <Guest655> yep
[12:19:38] <Guest655> thay take alot of heat
[12:19:48] <BigJohnT> you have only one nozzle?
[12:20:09] <The_Ball> I wouldn't want to sell anyting, I would like to be a part of it
[12:20:13] <Guest655> the fins in my nozzle are also graphite
[12:20:39] <Guest655> you can join our team!
[12:20:45] <BigJohnT> do you have a 3-d model of your rocket?
[12:20:49] <Guest655> do what you can
[12:20:58] <The_Ball> I haven't worked with graphite, but I always thought graphite was very easy to crack?
[12:22:28] <Guest655> no I have a real model but I can make cad drawings
[12:22:54] <Guest655> I will have to make drawings for the machine work
[12:23:11] <BigJohnT> 3-d or 2-d cad?
[12:23:32] <Guest655> I have some 2-d
[12:23:53] <Guest655> I could make som 3d in autocad
[12:24:12] <BigJohnT> ewww autocad... I'm a SolidWorks guy
[12:25:08] <Guest655> yep I started using autocad in about 1984
[12:25:20] <BigJohnT> I like to model my machinery that I build in solidworks cause it allows me to move the movable parts and check for clashes
[12:25:42] <Guest655> oh cool
[12:25:42] <BigJohnT> i use autocad for my electrical drawings...
[12:25:54] <Guest655> good for that
[12:26:13] <BigJohnT> I design and build automation equipment for factories
[12:26:18] <BigJohnT> for a living
[12:26:32] <Guest655> cool job
[12:27:03] <Guest655> are you famillar with pick and place?
[12:27:11] <Guest655> SMT
[12:27:14] <BigJohnT> yep, I own the business so I get to work as much as I want
[12:27:31] <Guest655> dont work too hard
[12:27:40] <BigJohnT> we do a little pick and place, mostly what we build
[12:27:49] <Guest655> I know how that can go
[12:28:24] <Guest655> I was a machine opperator for some time
[12:28:25] <BigJohnT> usually a transfer from a magazine to the holder then install the part ...
[12:28:42] <Guest655> humm
[12:28:45] <BigJohnT> do you use firefox?
[12:28:56] <Guest655> no ie
[12:29:32] <BigJohnT> if you try firefox add chatzilla and you can be on the irc in one mouse click
[12:29:39] <Guest655> im a fan of linux though
[12:30:01] <BigJohnT> I'm on my linux machine now with chatzilla
[12:30:09] <Guest655> I see
[12:30:27] <Guest655> im in a stupid java window
[12:30:39] <BigJohnT> I know :)
[12:30:57] <BigJohnT> but it got you here real easy
[12:31:00] <Guest655> im not famillar with irc
[12:31:10] <Guest655> but I have it
[12:31:29] <BigJohnT> this is the #emc channel on freenode
[12:31:56] <Guest655> let me see if i can make that work
[12:36:41] <Guest655> nope
[12:37:52] <BigJohnT> you might want to try firefox and add chatzilla
[12:43:18] <Monroe> Hey
[12:43:35] <Monroe> big john
[12:43:58] <BigJohnT> hi Monroe
[12:44:07] <Monroe> hey it worked
[12:44:15] <BigJohnT> cool
[12:44:36] <Monroe> that a first for irc
[12:45:05] <Monroe> so I can add this to my favorites
[12:45:32] <BigJohnT> in firefox chatzilla is under tools
[12:46:29] <Monroe> what network would this be?
[12:47:30] <Monroe> sorry I dont have firefox
[12:47:45] <Monroe> just Irc
[12:47:59] <BigJohnT> freenode
[12:48:04] <Monroe> ok
[12:48:30] <Monroe> there all fixed
[12:48:54] <Monroe> so john interested in going into orbit?
[12:49:07] <Monroe> :)
[12:49:23] <BigJohnT> I'm kinda big to fit in an 8" rocket :)
[12:49:32] <Monroe> hahahahahahaha
[12:49:34] <BigJohnT> sounds interesting
[12:50:10] <Monroe> We launch this rocket to space
[12:50:34] <Monroe> and shoot a special gun called a light gas gun
[12:50:57] <Monroe> to get a small projectile into orbit
[12:51:11] <BigJohnT> cool
[12:51:16] <Monroe> and try to calculate its re entry
[12:51:35] <BigJohnT> how does the light gas gun work?
[12:51:46] <Monroe> and watch it like a meteor
[12:52:08] <Monroe> the speed of sound is diffrent in diffrent gasses
[12:52:37] <Monroe> the lighter the gas the higher the speed of sound
[12:53:08] <fragalot> irssi ftw :p
[12:53:26] <Monroe> if we compress hydrogen with an explosion behind a piston
[12:54:20] <Monroe> the piston will travel faster in hydrogen than it could in air
[12:54:32] <Monroe> alot faster
[12:54:37] <BigJohnT> yep makes sense
[12:55:26] <Monroe> the compressed hydrogen burst a disk under the projectile
[12:56:06] <Monroe> and it pushes the projectile out the barrel at hypervelosity
[12:56:37] <Monroe> standard 30-06 @2100 ft/sec
[12:56:44] <Monroe> this gun
[12:57:02] <Monroe> 16,000 ft/sec
[12:57:05] <fragalot> fairly impressive. :p
[12:57:22] <fragalot> btw, any1 know why gas pellet guns are using CO2, and not just air cylinders?
[12:57:23] <BigJohnT> the projectile is bullet shaped?
[12:58:14] <Monroe> wont matter much about the shape in space :)
[12:58:36] <fragalot> hehe, esp at that speed
[12:59:10] <BigJohnT> so it is a round ball?
[12:59:14] <Monroe> it is cylendrical
[12:59:29] <BigJohnT> cool
[12:59:50] <Monroe> made of titainum/barum so it burns green
[13:00:05] <Monroe> on re entry
[13:00:36] <BigJohnT> cool
[13:00:51] <Monroe> some pellet guns do use cylenders
[13:00:57] <Monroe> pump ones
[13:01:29] <fragalot> high performance pellets, those are a fair bit more expensive than regular match pellets
[13:02:56] <Monroe> flying thrue air is more difficult pellets are designed for that
[13:04:09] <Monroe> John you should join that google group and fallow the progress
[13:04:56] <BigJohnT> which one?
[13:05:00] <Monroe> The guy from england is comming over here to meet us in january
[13:05:11] <Monroe> oh
[13:05:30] <Monroe> n-prize group
[13:05:34] <BigJohnT> i see it now
[13:05:50] <Monroe> yeah sign-up
[13:06:09] <BigJohnT> the white text is hard to see with the light background on the web site
[13:06:29] <Monroe> oh yes
[13:06:31] <fragalot> BigJohnT: then select the text to make it readable
[13:06:39] <Monroe> you are correct
[13:06:45] <Monroe> its bad
[13:06:57] <BigJohnT> fragalot: I have to find it first to select it :)
[13:06:57] <Monroe> I need to fix that
[13:07:13] <fragalot> BigJohnT: ctrl-A ;)
[13:07:21] <BigJohnT> LOL
[13:07:26] <Monroe> :)
[13:07:38] <BigJohnT> I'll just wait for Monroe to fix it :)
[13:07:46] <Monroe> cool
[13:08:05] <Monroe> thats on the list
[13:08:43] <Monroe> http://groups.google.com/group/n-prize?hl=en
[13:09:22] <Monroe> that is the google group where all the action is happening
[13:10:01] <Monroe> let me fix that website right now
[13:11:53] <fragalot> perfectly readable to me
[13:12:28] <Monroe> is that any beter?
[13:12:44] <fragalot> how do you keep that thing from crashing into other sats?
[13:12:55] <Monroe> Aim good
[13:12:59] <Monroe> :)
[13:13:06] <BigJohnT> better for me that's for sure
[13:13:07] <fragalot> lol
[13:13:23] <Monroe> good john
[13:13:26] <fragalot> i'd probably get one up there... but i'd also likely hit the FOX stattelite doing so.
[13:13:40] <fragalot> :p
[13:13:57] <fragalot> http://groups.google.com/group/n-prize/web/n-prize-rules-in-full?hl=en
[13:14:00] <fragalot> 'oops
[13:14:01] <Monroe> well we could always rename it Rubble (Hubble)
[13:14:07] <fragalot> hehe
[13:14:25] <fragalot> lots of missing pages tho
[13:14:30] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT has to go get breakfast for my dad
[13:14:36] <BigJohnT> ttul
[13:14:49] <fragalot> ya
[13:14:51] <fragalot> cya*
[13:15:02] <Monroe> 73's and all that john
[13:15:19] <Monroe> have a good day
[13:15:39] <Monroe> frag
[13:16:17] <Monroe> Hey frag?
[13:16:30] <fragalot> yeah?
[13:16:45] <fragalot> Monroe:
[13:16:48] <fragalot> Hey Monroe?
[13:16:52] <Monroe> hahaha
[13:17:04] <Monroe> did you look in the tree?
[13:17:17] <fragalot> what tree
[13:17:21] <fragalot> (means no)
[13:17:26] <Monroe> the
[13:17:30] <Monroe> hang on
[13:17:51] <Monroe> site map
[13:18:11] <Monroe> sorry
[13:18:20] <Monroe> are thay there?
[13:18:45] <Monroe> Im not good at websites
[13:19:00] <Monroe> I need some help with ut really
[13:19:08] <Monroe> it
[13:19:27] <fragalot> I usually make my sites from scratch
[13:19:58] <Monroe> this stupid google thing is automatic
[13:20:21] <Monroe> or somthing cant really work with it
[13:20:33] <fragalot> lol
[13:20:37] <fragalot> thats why I do it myself
[13:20:45] <Monroe> :)
[13:20:46] <fragalot> http://constellationcomputers.com/portfolio.php
[13:20:57] <fragalot> a few sites aren't listed yet,.. still working on that
[13:20:59] <Monroe> looking
[13:21:37] <fragalot> and a few bugs are in there. - I don't maintain that website,.. I just make the sites
[13:24:29] <Monroe> wow
[13:24:45] <Monroe> awsome
[13:24:55] <fragalot> :)
[13:25:02] <Monroe> wow
[13:25:08] <Monroe> cool
[13:25:09] <fragalot> eventually I ended up with a base system that i can re-use for all those sites, it's pretty neat
[13:25:21] <Monroe> cool
[13:25:57] <Monroe> maybe we could help each other?
[13:26:27] <Monroe> maybe you could join our team
[13:26:33] <Monroe> interested?
[13:27:13] <Monroe> where are you located?
[13:27:37] <fragalot> I'm from belgium.
[13:27:48] <Monroe> awsome
[13:27:53] <fragalot> You?
[13:28:05] <Monroe> im in Texas
[13:28:24] <Monroe> we need members from all over the world
[13:28:55] <Monroe> we really could use you on the team
[13:29:17] <fragalot> What purpose would I be?
[13:30:06] <Monroe> well at the very least you could be someone that is interested
[13:30:20] <Monroe> that we can do this
[13:30:36] <Monroe> you could build a website
[13:30:48] <Monroe> you could help launch
[13:31:06] <Monroe> you could do anything you want
[13:31:16] <fragalot> help launch,.. I'm a student, I don't really have much spare time, nor money to just fly over to the states, lol.
[13:31:21] <fragalot> I could help out with the site tho
[13:31:43] <Monroe> frag we would fly you here
[13:32:31] <Monroe> time is a factor though
[13:32:41] <Monroe> I understand that
[13:32:55] <fragalot> how about "I hate planes" :p
[13:33:21] <anonimasu> :/
[13:33:49] <Monroe> thats prety much kills it unless we launch in belgium
[13:33:55] <fragalot> europe
[13:33:58] <fragalot> :p train ftw
[13:34:27] <Monroe> hey there is a meeting at cambridge university
[13:34:41] <Monroe> can you get there?
[13:34:49] <fragalot> depends on when it is
[13:35:08] <Monroe> wow, just a sec
[13:36:11] <Monroe> November 15th
[13:37:21] <fragalot> lemme check my agenda
[13:37:21] <fragalot> :p
[13:37:48] <Monroe> We need someone from our team to be there with a laptop and run a netmeeting
[13:38:20] <Monroe> there are accomadations
[13:38:32] <fragalot> no, appears to be that i'm booked for then
[13:38:41] <Monroe> darn
[13:39:28] <Monroe> anyway you should sign on to the google group so I can keep in touch with you
[13:40:01] <fragalot> Done.
[13:40:06] <Monroe> I would like your help with the website
[13:40:11] <Monroe> awsome
[13:41:12] <Monroe> If you hate planes you would really hate a rocket!
[13:41:16] <Monroe> hahahaha
[13:41:30] <fragalot> theres a diff. between beeing on one, and watching it ;)
[13:41:30] <Monroe> we might make history though
[13:41:32] <fragalot> from a distance
[13:41:38] <Monroe> right
[13:41:45] <Monroe> big diffrence
[13:41:59] <fragalot> :p
[13:42:15] <fragalot> I have this lil' antigravity device.. could we use that?
[13:42:16] <fragalot> :p
[13:42:24] <Monroe> hahahaha
[13:42:34] <Monroe> let me see that
[13:42:39] <Monroe> :)
[13:42:44] <fragalot> a satellite with a mass of between 9.99 and 19.99 grams, and to prove that it has completed at least 9 orbits.
[13:42:53] <fragalot> thats.. fairly.. light
[13:42:56] <Monroe> yep
[13:43:16] <Monroe> ez'er to get up there
[13:43:22] <fragalot> any electronics you'll put onboard?
[13:43:33] <Monroe> the rocket yes
[13:43:40] <Monroe> but not on the sat
[13:43:53] <fragalot> k, would be fun otherwise,.. trying to rule out errors due to radiation :p
[13:44:11] <Monroe> yeah and expensive
[13:44:38] <Monroe> we want to go for the X-Prize after this
[13:45:23] <Monroe> :)
[13:46:16] <fragalot> I doubt that the n-prize allows for the sat to piggyback ride on one of NASA's rockets... right?
[13:47:25] <Monroe> right
[13:47:29] <Monroe> :)
[13:47:52] <Monroe> are you signing up on the group?
[13:47:57] <fragalot> already did a while back
[13:48:27] <Monroe> what is your name
[13:48:35] <fragalot> fragalot
[13:48:36] <Monroe> on thr group?
[13:48:37] <fragalot> :p
[13:48:45] <Monroe> hahaha
[13:48:48] <Monroe> duh
[13:48:56] <fragalot> lol
[13:49:22] <Monroe> far out
[13:49:44] <Monroe> I think it waits 24 hr before you can post
[13:49:54] <fragalot> possibly, haven't tried
[13:50:03] <fragalot> reading up on the existing stuff atm
[13:50:17] <Monroe> there's alot of information in there
[13:50:21] <Monroe> hahaha
[13:51:35] <fragalot> man the n-prize challenge sounds ludicrous, lol
[13:51:48] <Monroe> yeah it looks hard
[13:51:51] <fragalot> such a lightweight thing,.. That's got to stay in orbit that long,..
[13:52:12] <fragalot> like I said before, getting that up there is no issue (i think), but KEEPING IT THERE... lol
[13:52:25] <Monroe> actually a grain of sand could do it
[13:52:43] <fragalot> 'could' ;)
[13:52:51] <Monroe> but its not without its difficulties
[13:53:00] <Monroe> :)
[13:53:14] <Monroe> up is ez
[13:53:36] <Monroe> the hard part is reaching orbital velosity
[13:53:51] <Monroe> 7 km/sec
[13:54:25] <Monroe> 16,000 ft/sec
[13:54:43] <Monroe> thats really fast
[13:55:07] <fragalot> fairly.
[13:55:08] <fragalot> :p
[13:55:25] <Monroe> thats why we have the light gas gun
[13:55:48] <Monroe> to launch it into orbit
[13:56:48] <fragalot> k, lets say you get that speed. a) How do you prove the # of orbits made, b) how do you aim it :p
[13:57:04] <Monroe> your good
[13:57:23] <fragalot> all I do is ask questions >.> lol.
[13:58:14] <Monroe> aim is not so importaint but knowing exactlly the position of the firing is
[13:58:22] <fragalot> I only know basic engineering stuff,.. (eg. stuff that don't relate to the decrease of the effect of gravity depending on how far away you are from the planet xD)
[13:58:46] <fragalot> Monroe: aiming kindof is.... Lets say you fire it off aiming at the moon... Doubt it 'l reach orbit that way
[13:58:57] <Monroe> right
[13:58:58] <anonimasu> I'd fire it at some other sattelite that dosent exist.
[13:59:02] <anonimasu> officially :p
[13:59:10] <fragalot> anonimasu: I'd aim it at the fox sat.
[13:59:10] <fragalot> :p
[13:59:11] <anonimasu> if it dosent exist nobody can blame you if you hit it ;)
[13:59:33] <Monroe> the sun is the target
[13:59:38] <anonimasu> "uh.. ... a telephone sattelite fell down."
[13:59:58] <Monroe> but it has to be in the right place true
[14:00:23] <Monroe> so timing is somewhat important
[14:01:17] <Monroe> as long as it is pointing east and jus above the horizon
[14:01:33] <fragalot> "guys.. I just shot the sun dwon"
[14:01:34] <fragalot> :p
[14:01:44] <Monroe> hahahaha
[14:02:26] <Monroe> and we know the position of the gun we can calculate its orbit
[14:02:41] <fragalot> ah so you do know the pos. of the gun
[14:02:49] <Monroe> and then calculate were it will re erner
[14:03:11] <Monroe> re enter
[14:03:32] <Monroe> it will do way more than 9 orbits
[14:04:09] <Monroe> more like 3months worth of orbits every 90min
[14:04:46] <Monroe> and it will re enter like a meteor
[14:05:24] <Monroe> except this meteor will shoot across the sky
[14:05:38] <Monroe> with a very long tail
[14:06:02] <Monroe> and it will be green
[14:06:13] <Monroe> cool huh?
[14:07:00] <Monroe> and we will know when and where to look
[14:07:29] <fragalot> Sweet
[14:07:41] <Monroe> and besides that nasa may catch it on radar also
[14:07:47] <fragalot> hope it's nighttime :p
[14:08:52] <Monroe> right that could be a factor but we will do our best to factor that out on th launch
[14:09:06] <fragalot> Sweet.
[14:09:23] <Monroe> and we can try more than once if we have too
[14:10:48] <Monroe> if nasa can catch it on radar it wont matter
[14:12:10] <fragalot> Well its' not exactly rocket science is it? *cough*
[14:12:25] <Monroe> hahahaha
[14:12:42] <Monroe> Hey I dont see you on the group?
[14:12:53] <fragalot> :/ should be
[14:12:55] <Monroe> I see big john signrd up
[14:13:02] <Monroe> huh
[14:13:19] <Monroe> fragalot right?
[14:13:25] <fragalot> oh wait
[14:13:26] <fragalot> lol
[14:13:30] <fragalot> i just logged on, didn't sign up
[14:13:31] <fragalot> xD
[14:13:35] <Monroe> hahaha
[14:13:37] <fragalot> I need my coffee >.>
[14:13:40] <Monroe> cool
[14:13:49] <Monroe> dont forget
[14:13:56] <Monroe> :)
[14:14:11] <fragalot> Done
[14:14:16] <Monroe> speaking of coffee
[14:14:22] <Monroe> brb k
[14:16:33] <fragalot> Monroe: also,.. I don't see where it tells you to make it,.. so what if you made everything in china,.. lol, you could probably build 5 without exceeding the price :p
[14:17:38] <Monroe> good point! dont mention that on the group :)
[14:17:45] <fragalot> lol
[14:18:00] <Monroe> lol
[14:18:29] <Monroe> so do you use emc2?
[14:18:36] <fragalot> plan on doing so
[14:18:47] <Monroe> you building somthing?
[14:19:00] <fragalot> but a) need a computer with par port. b) PCB's are gonna get etched by thursday
[14:19:12] <Monroe> cool
[14:19:23] <fragalot> sofar i've played with the livecd
[14:19:41] <Monroe> I've got this gingery lathe im building
[14:19:48] <fragalot> but it doesn't support my USB->serial->parallel port cable, my network, my sound card, or the 2nd display
[14:19:51] <fragalot> xD
[14:19:58] <fragalot> nor does it like my laptop
[14:20:06] <Monroe> bummer
[14:20:10] <fragalot> yeah
[14:20:16] <Monroe> humm
[14:20:27] <fragalot> and (amazingly) I can't find a cheap PC anywhere that has a parallel port
[14:20:35] <fragalot> even 200Mhz boxes are over 80 euro :&
[14:20:43] <Monroe> dang
[14:21:02] <Monroe> do you have a case?
[14:21:12] <fragalot> not yet, no
[14:21:19] <fragalot> seeing what kind of space i'll need first
[14:21:26] <fragalot> gather the parts, and only then think about an enclosure
[14:21:30] <Monroe> I wonder what shipping would be
[14:21:49] <fragalot> well, last time i got a Sun Fire V60x shipped to me from california by a friend
[14:21:53] <Monroe> for a box
[14:22:06] <fragalot> I ended up paying $200 for the shipping, and another $650 for customs
[14:22:06] <fragalot> >.>
[14:22:13] <Monroe> crap
[14:22:24] <fragalot> what case is it that you have? (should be tax free..)
[14:23:07] <Monroe> just a generic 1gh athalon you could have
[14:23:41] <fragalot> I suppose if it's marked as a "gift" customs shouldn't be able to touch it?
[14:23:50] <Monroe> hummmm
[14:23:54] <fragalot> (on the sun fire he forgot to do that)-
[14:24:19] <fragalot> if not, i've been looking at the intel Atom boards
[14:24:34] <Monroe> I can ask Paul from the N-Prize group
[14:24:45] <Monroe> yeah those are cool
[14:24:55] <fragalot> =D
[14:25:06] <fragalot> any1 know where i can find some decent ACME thread & nuets?
[14:25:07] <fragalot> nuts
[14:25:54] <Monroe> almost all big supplires here in the us carry that
[14:26:07] <fragalot> "in the US"
[14:26:08] <fragalot> lol
[14:26:13] <Monroe> oh
[14:26:45] <Monroe> belgium was known for some good lathes
[14:26:48] <fragalot> I think i've found somebody that has about 2 meters left of acme thread,.. just no nuts for it,.. nfc what the diameter is too, haven't had the time to find it between the rest of his junk
[14:27:04] <fragalot> Monroe: yeah, it' sjust a matter of FINDING it, if you're a student.
[14:27:24] <Monroe> yeah I understand
[14:27:36] <fragalot> Hand on....
[14:27:42] <Monroe> I scrounge and trade alot
[14:27:57] <fragalot> 10x3mm, 1 meter == 14.5 euro
[14:28:20] <Monroe> thats about 29 usd
[14:28:29] <Monroe> thats a little high
[14:28:40] <Monroe> no
[14:28:41] <fragalot> actually thats about $21
[14:28:49] <Monroe> 2 meters
[14:29:00] <Monroe> thats a good price
[14:29:05] <fragalot> 2 meters? where did that come from
[14:29:43] <Monroe> thats what I thought you said
[14:29:52] <fragalot> I said 1 :p
[14:30:03] <Monroe> oh
[14:30:10] <Monroe> hummmmm
[14:30:27] <Monroe> 20 bucks ouch
[14:30:34] <fragalot> can't find nuts for it..
[14:30:47] <fragalot> Monroe: yeah, and it's left thread.. not that it matters, but it appears to be cheaper than right
[14:30:50] <fragalot> :p
[14:31:07] <Monroe> would brass nuts work?
[14:31:15] <fragalot> in regular steel
[14:31:21] <fragalot> Monroe: for a while.. :p
[14:31:59] <fragalot> 10x3mm nuts: 6.35 euro a piece O.O
[14:32:17] <Monroe> you could cast some brass right on the treads?
[14:32:38] <fragalot> ?
[14:32:53] <Monroe> sand casting
[14:32:58] <fragalot> "I" couldn't, no.
[14:33:07] <Monroe> oh
[14:33:11] <Monroe> hummm
[14:33:22] <Monroe> dang
[14:33:34] <fragalot> I'm trying to keep it low budget too
[14:33:46] <Monroe> ever consiter bank robbery
[14:33:49] <fragalot> so I made my own L298 based stepper controllers,..
[14:33:50] <Monroe> hahahahahaha
[14:33:58] <fragalot> Monroe: once,.. Then i saw how secure some banks were :p
[14:34:01] <Monroe> oh wow thats cool
[14:34:12] <Monroe> ditto
[14:34:22] <fragalot> the ones in ghent even have "airlocks" to get in or out >.>
[14:34:30] <Monroe> hahahahaha
[14:34:36] <Monroe> lol
[14:34:48] <fragalot> spooks me every time
[14:34:48] <fragalot> :p
[14:35:00] <Monroe> would me too
[14:35:43] <jepler> fwiw the us site mcmaster.com has 3/8-8, 3' (roughly comparable to 10x3mm, 1 meter) at prices ranging from $15 to $50 depending on material, grade, thread fit, and direction
[14:36:12] <fragalot> jepler: if it's US based, shipping will cost 3x the price of the thing i order.
[14:36:13] <Monroe> Know anybody elce that might be interested in our team?
[14:36:21] <fragalot> and another 21% VAT
[14:36:30] <Monroe> right
[14:36:31] <fragalot> Monroe: out here? no. :/
[14:36:37] <Monroe> k
[14:36:43] <jepler> fragalot: sure, just trying to get an idea whether $21 or $29 is comparable to the price a USAian would pay
[14:37:05] <fragalot> jepler: I already know for a fact that it's not, lol.
[14:37:32] <Monroe> im thinking 8 bucks
[14:37:38] <Monroe> 12
[14:37:42] <fragalot> for?
[14:38:05] <Monroe> comparable acme
[14:38:26] <Monroe> hey how bout a big C-Clamp
[14:38:40] <jepler> if it's thread fit 2C (self-centering, "better suited for load carrying") it is not far off the mcmaster price $28.73 for left or right threads
[14:38:57] <fragalot> Monroe: ahha
[14:39:06] <Monroe> yeah
[14:39:32] <Monroe> maybe?
[14:39:34] <fragalot> lets see here..
[14:40:20] <Monroe> your right jepler
[14:40:25] <fragalot> 1 meter, M12x3 == 14.50 euro current conversion is 1.44, so it would be $20
[14:40:28] <fragalot> 1 meter, M12x3 == 14.50 euro current conversion is 1.44, so it would be $21 *
[14:40:46] <fragalot> regular steel,. doesn't mention what class, etc...
[14:41:01] <Monroe> hummm
[14:41:13] <fragalot> means I gotta save up as i still need 2 more steppers too
[14:41:27] <Monroe> yep
[14:41:37] <fragalot> 3 if this one isn't powerfull enough. (75ohm 12V, running at 24V .39A 4Watt)
[14:42:00] <jepler> I recently replaced triangular thread with acme thread in my little machine, haven't cut anything since then though. seems to have tightened up the backlash spectacularly, though.
[14:42:08] <Monroe> thats little
[14:42:12] <fragalot> jepler: it's supposed to ;)
[14:42:36] <fragalot> Monroe: Monroe http://omploader.org/vcXk4
[14:43:52] <Monroe> k
[14:45:02] <fragalot> brb
[14:48:39] <Monroe> oops
[14:48:57] <Monroe> dident know what to do with that?
[14:49:20] <Monroe> just dld it to my desktop
[14:50:14] <jepler> ooh pretty shiny metal http://www.anderswallin.net/2008/09/nikon-te-2000-objective-holder-in-steel/
[14:50:39] <Monroe> lewing are you in austin texas?
[14:51:13] <Monroe> shiny is good
[14:52:29] <fragalot> Monroe: it's just a picture of the stepper
[14:52:49] <Monroe> frag I gotta run
[14:52:59] <Monroe> for a while
[14:53:03] <fragalot> alright, have fun
[14:53:20] <Monroe> Ill get with you later though
[14:53:27] <Monroe> you too
[15:10:33] <jepler> wow, have a look at the next to last photo on http://www.dpreview.com/gallery/canoneos5dmkii_preview/ -- ISO 12800. It looks quite good compared to ISO1600 shots from earlier-generation cameras (or compared to ISO200 shots on cheap P&S cameras!)
[15:10:51] <jepler> (last photo is ISO25600 but I think it's a bit too noisy..)
[15:12:12] <fragalot> for that kind of sensitivity, thats awesome
[15:12:35] <fragalot> I only have a Panasonic lumix DMC-FZ18
[15:12:54] <fragalot> which is (thanks to the AWESOME lens, but shitty sensor) awefull in the dark
[15:13:11] <JymmmEMC> jepler: did you see the the last one =)
[15:13:27] <JymmmEMC> nm
[15:14:31] <anonimasu> hmm..
[15:14:32] <JymmmEMC> The Nikon D90 just came out last month.... Worlds first DSLR that does 720i VIDEO too
[15:14:36] <anonimasu> not extremely awesome
[15:14:39] <fragalot> o.O
[15:14:48] <fragalot> anonimasu: for a superzoom, it's a great lens
[15:14:52] <anonimasu> (the noise of the last video)
[15:14:56] <anonimasu> err pic
[15:15:20] <jepler> JymmmEMC: 5D mk ii will do 1080p :-P
[15:15:27] <jepler> of course it's not out yet ...
[15:15:36] <fragalot> my video camera is analog,... hehe
[15:16:14] <jepler> (I don't pay much attention to nikons, having a few canon lenses I'm locked in :-P)
[15:16:30] <JymmmEMC> jepler: I COMPLETELY understand.
[15:16:36] <anonimasu> I'm going to buy a DSLR soon
[15:16:51] <anonimasu> I loved the eos300d..
[15:17:00] <JymmmEMC> I had my car broken into a few weeks ago and they stole my D70 all my lenses, etc. About $3000 in all
[15:17:08] <jepler> JymmmEMC: well sh-t
[15:17:15] <fragalot> http://a.img-dpreview.com/gallery/panasonicfz18_samples/originals/p1000286_sj.jpg lmao, now THAT is a piece of art
[15:17:36] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: ouch
[15:18:14] <jepler> fragalot: beautiful
[15:18:28] <fragalot> :p
[15:18:37] <fragalot> I wonder what its called
[15:23:50] <JymmmEMC> Yeah, I had the camera bag and it's contents insured seperately, but I was about $800 lower than what I thought the value of everything was. In other words DONT GUESS, actually add up the value if you are going to insure something!
[15:24:40] <JymmmEMC> And I even have the SOB on video breaking into my car - bastard!
[15:25:48] <JymmmEMC> He drove into the parking lot, broke the window, stole the camera bag, and drove off in under 30 seconds!
[15:38:16] <fragalot> wtf is a .emf file? O.O
[15:39:53] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: oh, i've insured stuff before... Then i ended up paying approx $75 on phone bills, $14 on stamps, and approx $43 on fuel getting the damn bastards to actually listen to me,... I filled in like 50+ forms, called them, spoke with them in person... And,.. well it's since january and they said they'd look at it and forward it to the company responsible.. Never heard of them since. (postal shipment insurance for $650)
[15:42:35] <colinb> what is a good DC servo drive to use with EMC ?
[15:42:45] <JymmmEMC> fragalot: You'll hate me then... I made an itemized list of the things stolen with SN's and value, faxed it to them, got a call fromthe adjuster, and asked me about the misc items I listed - primarily if I wanted to cover them under the main insurance policy, I said no becasue they were under $100 and my deducable was $500. She said ok, and that she'll cut a check today for the full amount. Total time 72 hours including the weekend.
[15:42:46] <colinb> most of the ones iv looked at close the loop within the drive
[15:43:20] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: :'(
[15:43:57] <fragalot> btw, something thats always puzzled me: why are the X-Y-Z motors called "servo's" in big CNC machines.. AFAIK, a servo motor can't rotate over 1 turn.. can it? :p
[15:44:08] <jmkasunich> sure it can
[15:44:15] <fragalot> oh
[15:44:19] <fragalot> m'kay :p
[15:44:24] <JymmmEMC> fragalot: what insurance company did you use?
[15:44:25] <jmkasunich> are you thinking of RC (radio controlled airplane) servos?
[15:44:41] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: USPS shipment.
[15:44:48] <fragalot> jmkasunich: obviously i was comparing the 2
[15:44:48] <fragalot> ;
[15:45:07] <jmkasunich> the RC servos are a very small subset of what the term "servo" covers
[15:45:15] <colinb> no
[15:45:24] <jepler> colinb: two that come to mind are http://pico-systems.com/univpwm.html or http://mesanet.com/ -> click "motion control", scroll down to "7i29"
[15:45:27] <colinb> as in 100V cnc machine motors
[15:45:47] <jmkasunich> colinb: I was answering fragalot's comment about only one rev
[15:45:50] <JymmmEMC> fragalot: Yeah, I've never filled a claim againest USPS insurance before, though I do use USPS insurance periodically.
[15:46:06] <jepler> er, whoops, first link should have been http://pico-systems.com/pwmservo.html
[15:46:56] <jepler> 160V/20A for the pico-systems (1 axis per board), 165V/22.5A for the 7i29 (per axis; 2 axis per board)
[15:47:04] <colinb> jmkasunich ah okie :)
[15:47:10] <colinb> sweet
[15:47:14] <colinb> didnt realise mesa did those
[15:47:14] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: It was insured for $650, they dropped my Sun Fire V60x server, the chassis and internals were severely damaged
[15:47:26] <colinb> iv got there IO board
[15:47:36] <jepler> colinb: which I/O board?
[15:47:39] <fragalot> I managed to fix most of it by hand, but one of the CPU's got warped, and the front panel PCB is trashed
[15:47:58] <jepler> if you've already got an I/O board from one of those guys, I'd say go ahead and buy the amp from the same people
[15:48:09] <colinb> jepler thanks :)
[15:48:18] <JymmmEMC> fragalot: did it have physical damage to the container?
[15:48:48] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: yes.
[15:49:03] <fragalot> I took pictures, sent it to them in multiple methods of transfer.
[15:49:09] <fragalot> email, fax, enveloppe
[15:49:24] <JymmmEMC> fragalot: Did you accept/sign for the package?
[15:49:51] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: I wasn't home, my mum did.
[15:49:57] <JymmmEMC> fragalot: ah, gotcha
[15:51:33] <jepler> colinb: I think the 7i29 is a newer product from mesa, I don't personally know anybody who has one
[15:51:43] <jepler> but I bet it's solid
[15:54:45] <JymmmEMC> Anyone using Google Chrome?
[15:54:49] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: anyways, think how much Sun parts cost, then think about customs hogging it so long;....
[15:54:52] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: I am
[15:54:54] <fragalot> It's <3
[15:55:01] <jmkasunich> what is it?
[15:55:11] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: a browser google made
[15:55:31] <fragalot> good job, they did.
[15:55:35] <JymmmEMC> all the tabs are isolated, so if one website crashes it doesn't take everythign with it
[15:55:37] <fragalot> http://blogoscoped.com/google-chrome/
[15:56:33] <JymmmEMC> all javascript is a virtual machine, and ran as machine code.
[15:56:50] <JymmmEMC> each website is a sandbox within the browser
[15:57:00] <fragalot> seperate process, even
[15:57:07] <JymmmEMC> close a tab, you release the memory that it used
[15:57:49] <fragalot> only concern I have is security,
[15:57:55] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: http://www.google.com/googlebooks/chrome/big_00.html
[15:58:03] <fragalot> oh, and that they aren't supporting linux for months
[15:58:19] <fragalot> hey! I linked to the copic first
[15:58:19] <jmkasunich> well, if they aren't supporting linux, then who cares?
[15:58:20] <JymmmEMC> fragalot: Yeah, but if each tab is a sandbox, that is a very good thing.
[15:58:31] <JymmmEMC> it's beta
[15:58:37] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: there have been security bugs found.
[15:58:52] <JymmmEMC> fragalot: and that's why it's beta =)
[15:59:02] <fragalot> jmkasunich: their repo has cygwin, etc... but instead of making it native, they are trying to write their own WINE application to run it in...
[15:59:12] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: ^_^ nevertheless, I love what they did
[15:59:17] <jmkasunich> retch
[15:59:19] <fragalot> it's SOOOOOOO much faster, lol
[16:01:03] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: yeah, but it uses a little bit more memory than other browsers
[16:01:18] <jepler> hmm .. I have a distinct memory that in the early days of the web (93? 94?) Mosaic added a multi-window mode where you could have multiple web sites open at one time
[16:01:23] <fragalot> alex_joni: worht it
[16:01:23] <fragalot> :p
[16:01:24] <jepler> it did this by fork()ing
[16:01:24] <alex_joni> I had a page with lots of pictures: about 500 MB in chrome, 400MB in IE, and around 150 in Opera
[16:01:27] <jepler> everything old is new again
[16:01:38] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: Yeah, I read that. But if it can isolate each site, that could be a good thing
[16:01:51] <alex_joni> yeah, it works pretty nice
[16:02:07] <fragalot> alex_joni: tried firefox?
[16:02:11] <alex_joni> I like that you can drag tabs from one window to another
[16:02:17] <alex_joni> fragalot: yeah, around 200 for that test
[16:02:29] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: If I have a spreadsheet, of draft email in one tab, then hit another site in another tab and tries to load java and locks up, I'm still good to go.
[16:02:31] <alex_joni> I ran sun spider or what it's called
[16:02:51] <alex_joni> and chrome was by far better than any alternative
[16:03:02] <alex_joni> 2-3x ff, 2-4x opera, 20-40x ie7
[16:05:37] <JymmmEMC> fragalot: Have you tried Gears yet?
[16:06:30] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: gears?
[16:07:06] <JymmmEMC> fragalot: It was called Google Gears, but they released it as pure open source and renamed it to gears, let me grab the link
[16:07:06] <alex_joni> gears.google.com
[16:07:58] <fragalot> Run JavaScript in the background to improve performance
[16:08:05] <fragalot> improve? javascript?
[16:08:05] <fragalot> :p
[16:08:07] <JymmmEMC> eh, it's more than just that
[16:08:15] <JymmmEMC> One example....
[16:08:58] <JymmmEMC> If you use google spreadsheet, you can work offline (in a plane) then sync everything back up when you get connected again.
[16:09:46] <fragalot> not of much use to me
[16:11:15] <JymmmEMC> fragalot: you dont create and share spreadsheets?
[16:11:20] <JymmmEMC> (as example)
[16:12:02] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: no :p but the idea is nice
[16:13:19] <JymmmEMC> I wish they had a better explanation of Gears, one paragraph doens't do it justice.
[16:14:27] <JymmmEMC> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hapkRYxCU_8&feature=related
[16:14:37] <JymmmEMC> it's long
[16:14:45] <JymmmEMC> and so so
[16:15:38] <fragalot> lol
[16:19:10] <JymmmEMC> I've been using google docs a lot more lately. I don't have to fight M$ Office, then upload the file, then hope someone else has the same version, then make a change and do it all over again. Just give someone the url and it's done. PLUS it has revision control built in.
[16:19:47] <JymmmEMC> Even can have multiple ppl editing it at the same time, or read only.
[16:20:52] <fragalot> JymmmEMC: at the same time would be a bit... asking for problems
[16:21:39] <JymmmEMC> No, you get instant notification that someone else is editing at the same time, and cna chat with them too in the same page as your viewing the spreadsheet in
[16:22:25] <JymmmEMC> Plus the revision control, if they screw up, you just revert back to a previous version
[16:23:42] <JymmmEMC> The ONLY thing I don't like about gDocs is that it's not https. Where you can setup gmail to be 100% https if you enable the option.
[17:01:10] <tomp> any suggestions for sync-ing bookmarks between machines? ffox's import is really concatenation. i found foxmarks, but backpedalled when it asked for email address.
[17:18:16] <tomp> heh, you can edit them thru the sqlite addon, though its way bigger than 1024x68. and no sliders to adjust ;) alt drag to the rescue!
[17:19:07] <tomp> this all started with the nifty link alex posted to the cvs revision graph... how to add that to 3 sets of bkmks.
[17:37:13] <JymmmEMC> tomp: there's a feature in google I believe that will do web history for you
[17:38:45] <JymmmEMC> Heh, no longer available... use google toolbar for firefox http://www.google.com/tools/firefox/browsersync/
[17:38:53] <JymmmEMC> or what you mentioned already
[17:42:16] <fragalot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGvHNNOLnCk&feature=related rofl.
[17:43:23] <fragalot> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FncILxajmlw&NR=1 HAHAHAHAH @ the end
[17:44:41] <tomp> JymmmEMC: thx, i was checking out weave... to heavy, foxmarks, too invasive, will look at google toolbar ( i think i have a bad taste left from some earlier incarnation) well it beats writing an sql-app :)
[17:45:10] <JymmmEMC> tomp: I think the only other alternative would be a roaming profile
[17:45:30] <JymmmEMC> and that can be kinda icky sorta kinda
[17:45:46] <tomp> doh! email myself the new url
[17:46:34] <JymmmEMC> email yourself the whole file
[17:46:45] <tomp> i began wanting to put a single bkmk file on my new 8g thumb, with a single ffox cache on same
[17:47:00] <JymmmEMC> tomp: is this in firefox?
[17:47:08] <JymmmEMC> err aLWAYS firefox?
[17:47:12] <tomp> yes
[17:47:19] <JymmmEMC> nix or win or both?
[17:47:34] <tomp> (unsure or versions) always linux, not always ubuntu
[17:47:41] <tomp> or.of
[17:48:18] <JymmmEMC> well the bookmark file is the same no matter what version/distro. so just a matter of setting up a central location for it
[17:48:39] <JymmmEMC> there are commandline options that would allow to to defien your profile being on a usb stick though
[17:48:51] <tomp> um, bkmarks wasnt sqlite prev to ver 3, but i can unify the version
[17:49:13] <tomp> just saw google toolbar stores offline ( read in thier hands )
[17:49:44] <JymmmEMC> http://support.mozilla.com/en-US/kb/Managing+profiles
[17:49:54] <tomp> JymmmEMC: yep, i believe the profile will be a good idea, lookin now :)
[17:50:12] <JymmmEMC> tomp: you'll just have to mount/umount the thumbsitck everytime
[17:51:30] <JymmmEMC> http://kb.mozillazine.org/Roaming_profile
[17:51:40] <tomp> cool, "firefox -ProfileManage"
[17:52:04] <JymmmEMC> no, you can use the profile DIRECTLY, you dont' want to really use the profiel manager it's aPITA
[17:52:14] <JymmmEMC> "F:\Mozilla Thunderbird\thunderbird.exe" -profile "F:\My TB profile"
[17:52:21] <JymmmEMC> there ^^^
[17:52:27] <JymmmEMC> you can call the profiel directly
[17:52:54] <tomp> oooh, plenty to chew on for the afternoon, thx ( ?? .exe under ubuntu?, ok, a general invocation :)
[17:53:17] <JymmmEMC> just subst nix paths and such
[17:55:19] <JymmmEMC> tomp: I still think storing bookmarks online somewhere is much better, especially if you loose the thunmbstick foor forget to grab it
[17:56:03] <tomp> i was worried about security ( and am wearing the thong around my neck, thinking i WILL forget it someday )
[17:56:25] <JymmmEMC> tomp: it's bookmarks, not your passwords to login to the bank
[17:57:01] <tomp> yep, pretty lame stuff, ok will try (fli[ps coin foxmarks/google toolbar )
[17:57:39] <tomp> foxmarks
[20:02:09] <fragalot> gotta love reliable components.. I just made a USB interface board to toy arround with,.... and... well, before a resistor i get a nice 4.7V output.. after the resistor.. nada.
[20:02:31] <fragalot> some others don't even get a voltage, when they should.. kinda weird.. Owell, gnite
[20:26:58] <micges> hi all
[21:35:30] <tomp> dang i tried installing ffox onto the thumb. that worked. but it wont run with the GTK libs on the other linux boxes.
[21:58:54] <Dmess> hi all
[22:00:47] <Dmess> hey Jepler where did you find that op-amp board the toher day??
[22:26:31] <fenn> tomp: you could write a script to mount the firefox profile from thumb drive on top of the existing one?
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