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[04:45:41] <dmess> hi all
[04:47:33] <KimK> Not sure anyone is awake, dmess , but hi
[04:49:56] <SkinnYPup> I'm awake hi !
[04:51:57] <KimK> Hi SkinnYPup
[04:52:01] <dmess> hi im awake.. in Chicago.. for IMTS..
[04:52:45] <KimK> Does that start tomorrow?
[04:52:47] <dmess> what a town...
[04:52:57] <dmess> it does so
[04:53:29] <DanielFalck> dmess: you have a laptop now?
[04:53:42] <dmess> hi all an'
[04:55:19] <dmess> sitting in a nice steak and pizza place.. and we spot a big ass RAT run in front of the door... my collegue says
[04:55:25] <dmess> was that a RAT...
[04:56:26] <dmess> the other says it must have been a squerel... i repeatet.. NO
[04:56:40] <dmess> t'was a rat... or a muskrat
[04:57:10] <dmess> i have the OLD laptop working somewhat
[04:57:38] <dmess> had to bring a kbd and usb router to make it all work
[04:57:58] <KimK> dmess: How about posting some pics of IMTS for us when you can?
[04:58:05] <dmess> your beer here REALLY sucks...
[04:58:20] <dmess> tomorrow nite for sure.. ; )
[04:58:37] <DanielFalck> what kind of beer did they have ?
[04:58:39] <dmess> for today we hit the sears tower
[04:59:19] <dmess> some of the home town brews... the ususal is the same moose piss as they sell up north
[04:59:56] <dmess> we passed 1 corner the smell of urine mad ME yak... on the street
[05:02:02] <dmess> this was just monments after Steve noted how clean the streets looked... till i showed up..LOL
[05:03:01] <DanielFalck> have fun in Chicago
[05:04:05] <dmess> well it looks like alot of milage for the next 3 days...
[05:06:14] <dmess> KimK.. where are you located??
[05:07:36] <KimK> In Omaha, NE right now.
[05:08:05] <dmess> thats not too far from Chicago..??? is it>>
[05:08:28] <KimK> No, about a day's drive.
[05:09:48] <dmess> thats a close drive for me.. ; )
[05:10:40] <dmess> my 1st time here so... its a new experience
[05:12:02] <dmess> We checked out the Sears tower this afternoon
[05:13:46] <dmess> nice building... but only 1500+ ft high... ive been 5.5 X as high - deep in the UNDERGROUND
[05:13:54] <SkullWorks_PGAB> IMTS - Someday when I'm rich...
[05:14:08] <KimK> You made me curious enough to look it up. Google says Omaha-Chicago is 468 miles and 7 hours, 16 minutes.
[05:14:36] <dmess> go spend somebody else's $$$ it alot easier BTW
[05:15:44] <dmess> thats a trip to mom and dads for me
[05:16:00] <dmess> i've done it 11 times so far in 2008
[05:16:21] <KimK> I wish I knew enough about Chicago to tell you where to go to get a good Chicago-style pizza.
[05:16:27] <SkullWorks_PGAB> for now I just do westec and hang out with my High school class mates - makes them happy I tip what a room would cost... and buy alot of meals - then write it all off
[05:16:42] <dmess> i wasnt impressed by tonites..
[05:17:52] <dmess> we're in the hub of it i guess... but we need to find it out
[05:18:42] <dmess> the rat outside the door diddnt make me feel so hungry
[05:19:08] <dmess> when we asked if we thought we say what we did..
[05:19:41] <dmess> the barkeep said Chicago has rats that look like they are in steroids...
[05:20:24] <dmess> i asked if there was a bounty??? she looked at me like i had a 3rd eye
[05:20:53] <dmess> it could give the homeless a job... and feed them too...
[05:21:08] <KimK> New York is the same way, David Letterman has had some fun with "rat-cams" in the past
[05:21:08] <dmess> apperantly i was NOT being funny
[05:21:58] <dmess> hell ive eaten muskrat.. its good meat..
[05:22:03] <jmkasunich> dmess: did you see that cradek is also going to IMTS?
[05:22:08] <jmkasunich> you should try to contact him
[05:22:13] <dmess> shouldnt be that far off
[05:22:46] <jmkasunich> new posting on the spindle project:
http://jmkasunich.com/cgi-bin/blosxom/spindle-project
[05:23:00] <dmess> no.. you know where he's staying??
[05:23:07] <jmkasunich> I also did some boring on one this weekend, will post that next
[05:23:22] <jmkasunich> nope, but you could email him and either ask for his cell number, or give him yours
[05:23:37] <jmkasunich> he will probably check email in the morning
[05:24:35] <jmkasunich> dang, way past bedtime
[05:24:37] <jmkasunich> goodnight all
[05:25:06] <dmess> h'my cell is out...
[05:25:39] <dmess> have him email mes_for_fun@yahoo.com... we should hook up..
[05:27:45] <KimK> goodnight jmkasunich
[05:30:14] <dmess> WOW.. IKE wil ride over Cuba for the next 2 days... still.. poor friends
[05:34:49] <dmess> KimK what you into??
[05:36:17] <KimK> I'm hoping to use EMC2 for some retrofits.
[05:36:34] <dmess> of what sort of machines??
[05:40:20] <KimK> Right now a friend of mine has got a Kasuga mill with a Bandit control that finally died, band aids, duct tape and all. So that's first up. It's a little bigger than a Bridgeport, but not too much. Has a small tool changer, 16 or 20? I forgot.
[05:41:07] <SkinnYPup_> Has tool changer envy with his bp clone + steppers ;o)
[05:41:52] <dmess> JUST DO IT
[05:42:09] <dmess> remember the NIKE slogan
[05:42:28] <SkinnYPup_> remember Bo Knows
[05:42:49] <dmess> knows what???
[05:43:12] <SkinnYPup_> Was another nike slogan ... never figured what bo knew
[05:43:36] <KimK> There are maybe 3 more of these for me to do if it works out well. Also at another location looking at a pair of Cincinnati-Milacron chuckers with retractable stady rests, we'll see.
[05:43:39] <SkinnYPup_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bo_Knows
[05:43:53] <dmess> oh ok.. my old dog Bo knew it all
[05:44:09] <SkinnYPup_> right on !
[05:45:32] <KimK> Off topic, has anyone seen the new Microsoft commercial with Seinfeld watching Bill Gates buy shoes? It's on You Tube. Really dumb, IMHO.
[05:45:46] <dmess> he got into the local loblaws and was ito the meat isle in moments before i goot a call.. COME GET YOUR DOG>>> or its on your bill from a girl who lived across the sreet..lOL
[05:46:10] <KimK> Hi alex_jon1
[05:46:31] <dmess> hi Alex
[05:47:06] <dmess> im in Chicago - IMTS ... you want me to look at anything for you??
[06:16:29] <KimK> Goodnight all. dmess and cradek , and any others going to IMTS, have fun and bring back news and pics. Later.
[06:18:34] <alex_jon1> alex_jon1 is now known as alex_joni
[10:10:35] <fenn> jmkasunich: i think the custom HSK-taper collet idea is best, not least because if you screw up you can try again (instead of wrecking a spindle)
[10:12:38] <fenn> also you could make it slightly under flush with the spindle nose so you wouldn't need the grooved contact ring of the TTS holders, just a square shoulder
[10:13:59] <fenn> not sure why drawbar needs to be shortened, can't you just use a spacer on the opposite end?
[15:48:09] <jepler> it's quiet today
[15:52:00] <SWPadnos> nap time
[15:53:40] <skunkworks_> heh
[16:09:59] <archivist_ub> busy packing ebay parcels
[16:10:36] <pjm> archivist btw i've not forgotten the linear bearing / warwick trip, just waiting for customer to organise a date for me to visit!
[16:10:48] <archivist_ub> no rush
[16:10:51] <pjm> okey dokey
[16:11:21] <pjm> i was thinking of ebaying the other crape I have, but its traumatic dealing with the postage side
[16:11:30] <archivist_ub> pjm model engineer exhibitions soon :)
[16:11:39] <pjm> where too?
[16:11:52] <archivist_ub> ascot next week
[16:11:56] <pjm> ah really
[16:12:03] <pjm> i have next week off work!! more vacation
[16:12:34] <archivist_ub> and Radford semele for the midlands one on october
[16:13:15] <archivist_ub> http://www.model-engineer.co.uk/Attractions.html
[16:14:58] <archivist_ub> Im planning Friday to avoid the weekend crowds
[16:15:59] <pjm> btw i found a SD digital camera card up on the field at the weekend, and the person who lost it made a visit to the myford museam, and there are tonnes of foto's of lathes!!
[16:16:26] <archivist_ub> hehe nice one
[16:16:42] <archivist_ub> never been though its local
[16:16:48] <pjm> yep that ascot thing looks good
[16:16:54] <pjm> i should take my son there
[16:17:02] <pjm> he can have a 'training day' on the friday
[16:17:10] <pjm> once i've checked with the missus that its ok ;-)
[16:17:20] <archivist_ub> heh that will cost you, dad can I have.....
[16:17:29] <pjm> hhh yeah tell me about it
[16:17:44] <pjm> he was trying to make a milling machine out of cardboard boxes and bog roles
[16:18:20] <archivist_ub> try lego
[16:38:11] <jepler> hm I was tempted by these *used* $1 PC board drill bits until I checked the price on new ones in the sizes I use and discovered the new ones are only $2.25each qty10 (
http://www.goldmine-elec-products.com/prodinfo.asp?number=G15749 vs
http://precisebits.com/products/carbidebits/drills.asp?tsPT=wire)
[16:51:22] <renesis> wat
[16:51:47] <renesis> hmm goldmine elec got cheaper?
[16:52:24] <jepler> I dunno what their usual prices are -- but I'd rather have new drills than used
[16:52:30] <renesis> holy shit they did
[16:52:36] <renesis> reg price was $.25 higher
[16:52:44] <renesis> ive never had a prob with their carbide bits
[16:53:08] <jepler> knock yourself out, then
[16:53:11] <renesis> only ones ive broken was either dropping or hitting it with a wrench when i was changing out the tool
[16:54:29] <renesis> hmm, also same with the used 50bit set i got (im doing into FR4 tho, not metals)
[16:54:54] <jepler> same here, to be honest -- but from this day forward I'm going to be careful and never break a bit that way again :-P
[16:55:28] <renesis> hahaha
[16:55:39] <renesis> yeh i havent in awhile
[16:56:13] <renesis> before maker faire i did this 100 hours non stop pcb CNC thing @ .008 space/trace
[16:56:34] <jepler> 100 hours must represent a lot of boards
[16:56:38] <renesis> total fail effort, boards came out pretty good but no way id assemble them on time, no masks, dense 0805
[16:56:49] <renesis> chinapcb failed me =(
[16:56:55] <jepler> what was the project?
[16:57:12] <renesis> they could admit to me they couldnt route the ireegular design in the panel i wanted
[16:57:21] <renesis> it took them 4 days to tell me that was the actual problem
[16:57:22] <renesis> sec
[16:57:34] <renesis> it was altoids tin audio component system
[16:58:08] <renesis> i have all the boards scanned in looking for image names
[16:58:33] <renesis> hehe you can tell which were more rushed during the flip
[16:59:58] <renesis> http://darkertechnologies.com/image/cs_boards_done_2008.05.02.1b_bottom.jpg
[17:00:02] <renesis> http://darkertechnologies.com/image/cs_boards_done_2008.05.02.1b_top.jpg
[17:00:49] <renesis> im kinda redoing, one at a time, with fabbed boards
[17:01:30] <renesis> i put the headphone amp and the active tone preamp on one board and radiused a corner so itd fit nice in a tin
[17:01:37] <jepler> what kind of tool do you prefer for cutting out (routing) the boards? I've used both a 1/16" stub end mill and a .80mm "chip breaker" both from
http://precisebits.com/applications/pcbtools.htm -- right now I like the "chip breaker" better, but I haven't done very many inches on it yet
[17:01:54] <jepler> oh no wonder those images are loading slow -- those are huge scans
[17:02:03] <renesis> for those i was using a 1/16" endmill
[17:02:28] <renesis> but ive had pretty good experience with the chip breaker bits
[17:02:55] <renesis> haha yeh i tried using the same endmillon some longer boards recently
[17:03:15] <renesis> was pulling them up, it ate like two of the four boards
[17:03:39] <renesis> jepler: yeh i use the scans to check for chips or burr bridges
[17:03:48] <renesis> heh should have warned, sry
[17:04:14] <renesis> topside def more impressive, also shows the alignment error after the flip
[17:04:57] <jepler> I notice one of the boards has an irregular area with a bunch of holes .. for heat conduction?
[17:05:03] <renesis> yes
[17:05:15] <jepler> do you have to insert wires for effective heat conduction, or just liberally solder?
[17:05:38] <renesis> originally was supposed to be a fabbed board =(
[17:05:47] <jepler> yeah
[17:05:57] <renesis> i was just gonna squish mini sinks onto them
[17:06:30] <renesis> i was busy and behind anyway, then the week of wasting time with chinapcb just kinda make it close to impossible
[17:06:40] <renesis> was neat how much work i got done on that project, wasnt enough tho
[17:06:42] <jepler> that blows
[17:06:51] <renesis> we did some speakers were pretty cool
[17:07:04] <jepler> I hope the future presents another chance to use those designs
[17:07:07] <jepler> bbl, lunchtime here
[17:07:14] <renesis> i did the cad and bought the drivers, and my friend in san matea cut them on a techshop laser
[17:07:20] <renesis> acrylic open baffle speakers
[17:07:25] <renesis> those worked perfect
[17:07:27] <renesis> laters
[17:08:00] <renesis> and then i had grow light arrays, which worked but i had to bus it up there so couldnt bring plants to demo a little grow box
[17:08:11] <renesis> led grow lights
[17:08:55] <renesis> hehe a chinaled company saw those and were talking about custom spectrum leds for me
[17:09:29] <renesis> we just settled on a spec, so maybe i get some samples soon (yayay)
[17:43:47] <micges> aANYONE KNOW HOW to convert DXF's SPLINE to something else like LINE POLY LINE ?
[17:45:17] <micges> I can't find sth usefull..
[17:45:43] <BigJohnT> automagiclly?
[17:45:59] <archivist_ub> hmm if I had them here I would look in my graphics gems books
[17:46:37] <archivist_ub> the books (5 of them) code is downloadable
[17:47:09] <micges> I mean usefull reference of some code in any language
[17:47:24] <micges> or*
[17:47:45] <micges> I want to add SPLINE to my DXF converter
[17:48:01] <archivist_ub> http://tog.acm.org/GraphicsGems/
[17:48:15] <archivist_ub> some serious code in that lot
[17:48:53] <micges> archivist_ub: thanks
[17:49:34] <archivist_ub> they stopped the series of books so they could sell a journal
[17:50:04] <archivist_ub> Im missing vol 4 from the set
[17:50:55] <archivist_ub> anyway playtime see you tomorrow
[17:51:00] <alex_joni> hmm.. google chroms is pretty good
[17:51:05] <alex_joni> chrome even
[17:56:09] <BigJohnT> hi alex_joni
[17:58:20] <alex_joni> hi BigJohnT
[18:02:27] <renesis> micges: there is a script
[18:02:36] <renesis> that lets you put in the polyline res
[18:02:55] <renesis> i had to use it to export splines from acad to alphacam
[18:03:09] <renesis> jezus fuck the cnc did not like that code at all =(
[18:04:08] <micges> can you pastebin that script ?
[18:14:48] <alex_joni> micges:
http://www.cadtutor.net/forum/showthread.php?t=1479
[18:50:18] <billy_kid2> hello
[18:52:01] <jepler> good afternoon billy_kid2
