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[00:18:46] <Guest262> Tried the Hardy Heron Live CD over the weekend. It seemed to lock up looking for a USB HDD. I don't have any, so it shouldn't have been a problem. Is there an issue with the live CD? I actually burned it on a DVD.
[00:19:48] <Guest262> Downloaded and burned it 3 times with the same results each time.
[00:20:12] <cradek> it works for a lot of people... I don't know if putting it on a DVD makes a difference.
[00:20:38] <SWPadnos> hmmm. what did it do that made you think it was looking for a USB disk?
[00:20:58] <Guest262> It said searching for USB HDD.
[00:21:43] <SWPadnos> oh, well that's a good indicator :)
[00:21:54] <Guest262> I thought so.
[00:22:31] <SWPadnos> I don't think I've ever seen that message (or indeed any boot messages) when booting from CD - was this after you saw the CD boot menu?
[00:23:51] <Guest262> It first comes up in Caldera DOS (I believe it is), then starts setting up the environment. I never saw a CD boot menu.
[00:24:22] <SWPadnos> ok - try burning to CD instead of DVD then, that's not the right boot sequence
[00:24:53] <Guest262> OK. That'l have to wait until I can get to the store.
[00:25:02] <SWPadnos> it may be that the burning software decided to put its own boot code on the disc (something like syslinux maybe)
[00:25:28] <SWPadnos> I don't know if that's it, but I've never seen a DOS-like boot from any Ubuntu CD
[00:27:50] <Guest262> I do remember Nero asking something about a boot image. I thought it took it off the file, but maybe it didn't. Thanks. Didn't really know what to expect.
[00:28:11] <SWPadnos> yep - the ISO is good for a CD but not for a DVD
[00:28:13] <SWPadnos> see you
[00:39:38] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: Well, how was using a pcmcia paraport?
[00:45:03] <JymmmEMC> STEVEOH! STEVEOH! STEVEOH!
[01:51:26] <skunkworks> hmm
[01:53:23] <skunkworks> is it friday yet.
[01:53:27] <skunkworks> ?
[01:53:59] <skunkworks> I think I acutally have stopped 'tweeking' the h-bridge
[01:54:08] <skunkworks> done I say - done!
[01:54:29] <skunkworks> I know - I know. Mill the damn thing already.
[01:55:57] <skunkworks> anyway.. ;)
[01:56:39] <LawrenceG> we all want to see a movie of the smoke show
[01:57:32] <LawrenceG> skunkworks, have you priced the parts yet?
[01:57:33] <skunkworks> :)
[01:57:45] <skunkworks> most everything I had.. suprisingly
[01:58:10] <LawrenceG> the ir drivers seem to be the big ticket item
[01:58:13] <skunkworks> the driver ic's where purchased as was the current sense resistors
[01:58:22] <skunkworks> yes
[01:59:25] <LawrenceG> I have been looking at the irams device again.... using 2 of the 3 1/2 bridges for dc servos or all 3 for brushless
[02:00:26] <cradek> jepler: I got the mill unearthed and running
[02:00:42] <jepler> cradek: woo
[02:02:01] <cradek> big improvement. I didn't get anything else done tonight.
[02:02:45] <jepler> cradek: next week is when I'll be leaning on you for help with these new leadscrews
[02:03:27] <cradek> ok, I will be back wednesday night if all goes right
[02:05:07] <jepler> no big hurry
[02:05:51] <cradek> realistically I bet your leadscrews will be a multi-full-day project
[02:06:18] <jepler> yeah I don't doubt it
[02:06:39] <skunkworks> LawrenceG: the IR2184 are $4.50
[02:06:44] <cradek> do you have the screws already?
[02:06:59] <jepler> no, I think those come tomorrow. the nuts haven't even shipped yet afaik
[02:07:08] <skunkworks> jepler: what did you get?
[02:07:27] <jepler> skunkworks: acme leadscrews and anti-backlash nuts
[02:07:34] <skunkworks> nice
[02:07:53] <jepler> yeah except the part where the machine will be broken for a month while I beg cradek to do every step of the upgrade for me
[02:08:05] <skunkworks> heh :)
[02:08:25] <jepler> hopefully the nuts can be made to fit in a way that doesn't sacrifice machine travel .. I'm pretty sure it can be done
[02:08:41] <cradek> we could make the couplings, etc, and mount the screws before the nuts come
[02:29:25] <jepler> seems the root of the 1/4-16 acme thread is .162"
[02:29:37] <jepler> you favor turning off the thread and making a coupling with setscrew to match?
[02:29:48] <jepler> is it feasible to put a flat on it?
[02:30:15] <cradek> either that, or just flatten one side down to a bit past the root, and use setscrews there
[02:31:15] <cradek> if they are a close fit inside your existing couplers, we could easily reuse them with this scheme
[02:32:11] <jepler> it would be nice to not have to make new couplers
[02:32:57] <jepler> it sure looks like the existing thread goes straight into the coupler
[02:33:31] <jepler> if this is the right motor datasheet, its shaft is .1968" (maybe that's 5mm?)
[02:33:34] <cradek> yeah I don't doubt that he tightened the setscrews onto the threads, thus ruining them and making it impossible to disassemble
[02:34:44] <fenn> LawrenceG: how did you get the white paint into the engraved letters without making a mess?
[02:34:49] <cradek> so we need 5mm to 1/4 or just under
[02:35:14] <fenn> or is that just bare aluminum..
[02:35:20] <jepler> I think so, but I'll measure the motor shaft I have before having you cut anything
[02:35:42] <jepler> iirc there's a flat on the motor shaft
[02:36:08] <cradek> I have no 5mm reamer so ideally I'd make a tiny boring bar
[02:36:18] <cradek> should be interesting.
[02:36:39] <jmkasunich> cradek: make me one while you're at it
[02:36:40] <cradek> or, we could probably just get away with drilling it, since it's for a plastic nut
[02:36:49] <jmkasunich> one that will fit in a 1/8" hole
[02:36:53] <cradek> yikes
[02:37:07] <cradek> I looked at them on enco - they aren't cheap
[02:37:18] <jmkasunich> you said "tiny"
[02:37:19] <cradek> it's more complex because I pretty much need a 5/8 round mount
[02:37:19] <fenn> can't you just grind down a pcb drill shank?
[02:37:44] <jmkasunich> carbide shank?
[02:37:47] <fenn> yes
[02:37:52] <jmkasunich> got a green wheel in your pocket?
[02:37:58] <cradek> carbide doesn't really grind...
[02:38:22] <fenn> i've got some silicon carbide angle grinder wheels
[02:38:45] <fenn> diamond hone seems to work ok for the sharpening
[02:38:48] <cradek> I wish I could grind it...
[02:38:57] <jmkasunich> sure, for a little bit of sharpening
[02:39:08] <jmkasunich> turning a drill bit into a boring bar is more than "a little bit"
[02:39:14] <cradek> but I'd just use HSS for this. probably make them out of brass.
[02:40:58] <cradek> I'm hoping I can easily cut M-2 HSS with a small carbide end mill - I've never tried it
[02:41:12] <cradek> seems like it should work
[02:41:20] <jmkasunich> heh, good luck
[02:41:25] <cradek> doesn't work?
[02:41:48] <jmkasunich> never tried, but - remember my yellow chip hard turning?
[02:42:05] <jmkasunich> the stuff I'm turning is softer than HSS
[02:42:16] <cradek> hmm.
[02:42:30] <cradek> that won't keep me from trying it anyway :-)
[02:42:45] <jmkasunich> if you are talking about a regular HSS lathe bit, you aren't gonna "cut" it with anything
[02:42:47] <jmkasunich> grind it
[02:42:56] <stustev> you won't like cutting HSS with carbide
[02:43:11] <cradek> well darnit
[02:43:18] <cradek> that's ok, it does grind nice
[02:44:02] <cradek> No results found for "cutting HSS with carbide".
[02:44:11] <stustev> bbiam
[02:46:15] <jepler> too bad I can't easily get one of these couplings off
[02:46:33] <cradek> setscrews loose but coupling is still stuck?
[02:47:09] <jepler> the problem is really in removing the motor
[02:47:16] <jepler> it has 4 screws, I can't get at the back ones
[02:47:29] <jepler> I didn't want to mess with the collar/bushing/collar at the far end if I could avoid it
[02:48:14] <jepler> mostly, I need a hex key that is not part of one of those fold-out sets
[02:48:35] <jmkasunich> most of those sets can be disassembled
[02:48:49] <jmkasunich> although you still wind up with a key that doesn't have a short end
[02:48:51] <jepler> yeah, if I had the right size hex key that would be real easy
[02:49:06] <jepler> oh wait, it's right here in this set
[02:49:08] <jepler> <enters infinite loop>
[02:49:22] <cradek> I hate those sets
[02:53:22] <jepler> well at least I can see enough to satisfy myself that either the motor shaft is 1/4, or he didn't just drill 1/4" all the way through the coupler and pretend that was good for holding a .1968 shaft.
[02:54:38] <cradek> you can't tell if it is 1/4?
[02:54:47] <cradek> (I thought you had calipers?)
[02:54:52] <jepler> I didn't actually get at the shaft
[02:55:08] <jepler> I just took out the setscrew and convinced myself that the bit of play between the coupling and the shaft was not .05"
[02:56:25] <jepler> ok, there we go
[02:59:17] <jepler> ok, yeah, I measure .1967
[02:59:51] <jmkasunich> 4 digits?
[03:00:09] <cradek> he got a nice micrometer
[03:00:21] <jepler> assuming I read the vernier right and added the figures properly
[03:00:26] <jmkasunich> ok, I thought he just had calipers
[03:01:15] <LawrenceG> fenn, bare Al.... cutter was tooslow and not sharp enough.... it just kind of whipped the Al in the engraving slot!
[03:01:21] <jepler> I get .197 measuring the ID of the coupling with my calipers
[03:01:30] <skunkworks> heh - hmm is that at .05 or .075..
[03:01:39] <jepler> and .241
[03:03:30] <jepler> I must not be measuring the IDs right, because the coupling definitely goes on the thread, which measures bigger than that
[03:03:45] <fenn> .1967 is just under 5mm
[03:03:55] <cradek> calipers don't really measure IDs very well, especially small IDs
[03:05:31] <jepler> it would be nice to re-use these couplings and just put enough of a flat on the end of the screw
[03:05:48] <cradek> that would be easy
[03:06:13] <jepler> unless this is enough undersize that the acme won't fit
[03:07:36] <jepler> fenn: I bet you're right, but the drawing I have is in inches (it gives .1968) anyway
[03:10:52] <jepler> 'night all
[03:43:05] <cradek> jepler: I found the extra piece of acme leftover from when I did max. It measures about .2490
[03:52:51] <toastydeath> what's the name of the machine that rips up asphalt
[03:55:53] <Jym> assripper
[03:56:46] <Jym> (just a guess)
[04:19:35] <SkinnYPup> lol They call that a pavement miller
[04:20:27] <JymmmEMC> I like mine better =)
[04:23:33] <SkinnYPup> I'm certain it will rip ass up too ;0)
[04:24:44] <Jym> =)
[05:08:49] <fenn> is it normal to have a sticker sitting directly ON the processor heatsink surface?
http://fennetic.net/pub/camera/DCP_0816.JPG
[05:16:07] <SkinnYPup> fenn: Its a first for me....
[05:16:45] <Jym> fenn: No, that's usually where the heat sink grease would be
[05:17:38] <fenn> so, should i take the warranty sticker off?
[05:18:00] <Jym> fenn: I'd peel it off and place it next to the socket
[05:19:35] <fenn> intel agrees stickers are bad:
http://www.intel.com/support/processors/sb/cs-026841.htm
[06:19:41] <micges> good morning
[09:53:03] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: didn't work out of the box
[09:53:11] <alex_joni> I had to install the parport_cs driver
[09:53:14] <alex_joni> look at the IO port
[09:53:24] <alex_joni> then remove all linux parport modules
[09:53:53] <alex_joni> then I could install hal_parport with the IO address I found previously
[14:06:07] <Jymm> alex_joni: Ok, so howdidit work out?
[14:10:10] <alex_joni> Jymm: it seemed to work ok
[14:10:20] <alex_joni> but others reported they couldn't make it work at all
[14:10:22] <Jymm> latency?
[14:10:32] <alex_joni> not more than a regular one
[14:10:48] <Jymm> cool
[15:42:51] <toastatwork> what's the term for when an editor substantially changes the wording of an original article without the author's approval
[15:44:13] <SWPadnos> bullshit
[15:44:20] <cradek> screwage?
[15:44:40] <cradek> I don't know of a special word for that
[15:45:02] <archivist_ub> depends how good/bad the original is
[15:45:04] <toastatwork> yeah bullshit was a good thought
[15:45:14] <toastatwork> the original is good
[15:45:29] <toastatwork> it was edited for grammar, spelling, and style prior to submission
[15:46:38] <toastatwork> i'm specifically talking about changing the wording to make criticism sound less harsh than the author intended - actually changing the tone and intent of the submission
[15:46:44] <cradek> yeah, archivist is right, one person's style is another person's mistake
[15:46:59] <toastatwork> let's rule that whole avenue out here
[15:47:21] <toastatwork> is it misattribution?
[15:47:22] <archivist_ub> I used to edit a newsletter, it was not fun sometimes
[15:49:12] <toastatwork> =(
[15:51:23] <toastatwork> the issue is someone at work volunteered me for something i didn't want to do, write for the company newsletter
[15:51:41] <cradek> ouch
[15:51:45] <toastatwork> so instead of writing what they wanted, i wrote something about why what they wanted is a pain in my balls
[15:51:53] <toastatwork> and everyone else's balls on the shop floor
[15:52:06] <toastatwork> and my boss stood behind it and delivered it personally to the HR director
[15:53:52] <toastatwork> but the bet on the shop floor is that they've got a habit of completely changing what people say to sound better.
[15:54:12] <toastatwork> whutevs
[15:54:27] <jepler> I can sure understand being upset (we have a company newsletter and it has its own problems that can piss me off) but as a friend of mine says "is this the hill you want to die on?"
[15:55:15] <cradek> I would sure decline to write stuff for the newsletter at the company jepler's talking about.
[15:56:17] <jepler> snicker
[15:56:22] <skunkworks_> heh
[15:56:39] <archivist_ub> poor editor is in the middle of the politics
[15:56:53] <skunkworks_> 'happy thoughts from the server room..'
[15:57:18] <jepler> I would be surprised if there was someone actually trained as a copy editor doing that job for a company newsletter
[15:57:24] <archivist_ub> up yours from the shop floor
[16:01:09] <toastatwork> haha
[16:01:18] <toastatwork> we don't have an editor
[16:01:27] <toastatwork> it's just like, the marketing department and the hr director
[16:01:32] <toastatwork> three people total
[16:02:28] <toastatwork> by "Editor" i mean someone actually qualified in some way to edit
[16:02:43] <toastatwork> there is obviously some poor sap who's been saddled with the task
[16:02:51] <skunkworks_> the issue is - some companies send the news letter to clients also.
[16:03:28] <toastatwork> that's fine - if they don't want to use my article, that's very fine
[16:03:33] <toastatwork> i didn't want to participate in the first place
[16:03:43] <toastatwork> what's not fine is putting my name on something I didn't write
[16:04:06] <archivist_ub> newsletters are used for image building hence heavy edits
[16:05:22] <toastatwork> that's fine - don't use my article if it's not appropriate for what the company's branding strategy.
[16:05:31] <toastatwork> i would be thrilled if they didn't print my article.
[16:06:54] <toastatwork> i believe i called the newsletter "a gross waste of time and resources"
[16:07:47] <cradek> I know hindsight is 20/20, but it sounds like you should have just declined to do this
[16:08:26] <toastatwork> i did
[16:08:30] <toastatwork> they said "do it anyway"
[16:08:59] <toastatwork> i told them, look, i'm not comfortable doing this, I decline to write an article
[16:09:43] <archivist_ub> l held an article because it was so bad and got moaned for not publishing, the writer was one of the directors
[16:10:00] <toastatwork> my boss egged me on because it has to be "from our department" and i've got the best/most intresting writing style
[16:10:08] <toastatwork> which isn't saying much considering it's the machining department
[16:10:10] <cradek> haha, 'most interesting'
[16:10:59] <cradek> so you haven't yet seen that the "editor" has messed with your writing, you just have reason to suspect he will?
[16:11:02] <toastatwork> well you have to give at least some nod that calling the newsletter you're writing for "a waste of time and money" is at least a little interesting
[16:11:39] <toastatwork> reason to suspect
[16:12:02] <toastatwork> because it touched on several very sore issues for our company
[16:12:48] <toastatwork> and on top of that the entire department read it, and we, as a department, agree with the content and tone of the article
[16:13:22] <toastatwork> they have a history of changing quotes from the machining guys to make it sound better
[16:13:41] <toastatwork> so it's happened before, and i'm just anticipating it and getting a response together before it happens
[16:14:44] <cradek> yuck.
[16:15:36] <toastatwork> i'm going to do the polite thing and go talk to the poor guy in charge of editing
[16:15:48] <toastatwork> and just say hey, if you are going to make any changes to the tone or word usage, you need to run it by me
[16:15:58] <toastatwork> and we can work on it
[16:17:08] <cradek> oh so the editor guy isn't a force of evil?
[16:17:39] <toastatwork> no no no
[16:17:50] <toastatwork> the editor is a really nice guy stuck with a crappy job
[16:18:09] <cradek> if he's a normal person, maybe you should tell him that you know you put him in a hard spot, and apologize, and say that if he publishes the letter as-is, you'll take any heat.
[16:18:20] <toastatwork> yeah
[16:18:27] <toastatwork> it's his bosses that will be the problem, though
[16:18:35] <toastatwork> they, not he, will be the ones who make the call on changing the wording
[16:18:46] <toastatwork> but if i give him the heads up i'll hear about it in advance.
[16:18:56] <cradek> yes that sounds like a good idea.
[16:19:20] <cradek> then you have a chance to raise whatever stink you think is necessary, including possibly quitting, before it is published.
[16:21:34] <toastatwork> lol
[16:21:46] <toastatwork> that won't be necessary
[16:22:08] <cradek> well at least you get to decide what is necessary.
[16:22:12] <toastatwork> there's enough people behind it that raising a moderate stink will make life miserable for the people involved
[16:22:21] <toastatwork> it'll be okay, i just want the word for what it's called
[16:22:24] <toastatwork> which i still can't find
[16:23:43] <SWPadnos> "unauthorized modifications"
[16:24:18] <toastatwork> googlin' that now, ty
[16:30:21] <toastatwork> unforunately, no dice on google
[16:30:47] <SWPadnos> sanitizing?
[16:31:01] <archivist_ub> changing of meaning
[16:31:39] <SWPadnos> consequential alteration of underlying intent
[16:32:28] <archivist_ub> I remember a few articles on TV news sites about clever editing to do the same thing
[16:33:12] <archivist_ub> "take what someone said out of context"
[16:33:17] <toastatwork> yeah
[16:33:23] <toastatwork> hm.
[16:40:38] <jepler> cradek: what is the process of putting the nut on the new leadscrew like with those dumpstercnc nuts? I read the website and the datasheet but I don't see an explanation of it.
[16:42:15] <cradek> I just held the spring back and screwed it in
[16:46:44] <Lerman> Hi cradek -- remember that program we "spoke" about the other day? It seems to be working.
[16:47:43] <cradek> Lerman: sorry, remind me
[16:48:01] <Lerman> A problem I frequently encounter
[16:48:03] <Lerman> is given two intersecting line segments (three points forming
[16:48:04] <Lerman> an angle), I'd like to machine the inside angle with a
[16:48:06] <Lerman> specified radius between them. Does anyone here have a handy
[16:48:07] <Lerman> procedure to (given the points and the radius) calculate the
[16:48:09] <Lerman> location of the center of the arc and the two points of
[16:48:10] <Lerman> tangency of the circle with the lines?
[16:48:22] <cradek> oh, right
[16:48:30] <Lerman> Yuk. Pasting didn't work too well.
[16:48:35] <cradek> that's ok
[16:49:35] <Lerman> jmkasunich pointed me in the right direction.
[16:49:55] <Lerman> No trig required.
[16:50:52] <Lerman> Now I'm thinking of (if I had integrator defined gwords) how to make a new G1 that used it.
[16:51:45] <Lerman> It would look like G1 X- Y- R- where R specified the radius to the next line. One issue would be whether Z could also be specified.
[16:52:02] <cradek> I think that would require more than replacing G1, just like concave corner cutter comp does.
[16:52:07] <Lerman> Of course, it would have to buffer the next command.
[16:52:13] <cradek> yes
[16:52:18] <SWPadnos> G1.1 :)
[16:52:24] <cradek> it would have to buffer N commands
[16:52:25] <Lerman> Part of the issue is what is legal in between these things.
[16:52:56] <cradek> yes you would have to be able to add those restrictions.
[16:53:08] <Lerman> If I said that they must be consecutive, that wouldn't be too much of a restriction and would be good for most uses.
[16:53:34] <cradek> "can't turn mist on right after a G1 move that has an R word"
[16:53:49] <Lerman> Also, would need a way to "flush" the last command.
[16:54:12] <SWPadnos> can't use more than XY words with G1R
[16:54:19] <Lerman> Turning mist on would be OK. It would just turn on before the buffered move took place.
[16:54:21] <SWPadnos> (what would UVW or even Z mean?)
[16:54:30] <cradek> why not allow the helix?
[16:54:51] <Lerman> You could have a Z word. It could be smart enough to do that in a reasonable way.
[16:54:56] <SWPadnos> Z could be done like that - separate the XY and Z moves logically
[16:55:17] <cradek> well like comp you'd probably want to go around the corner in constant Z and then move Z over the next line
[16:55:29] <SWPadnos> that wouldn't be like a helix
[16:55:32] <cradek> true
[16:55:37] <cradek> a helix is another way to handle it
[16:55:39] <Lerman> You could go around the corner in a helix.
[16:56:11] <cradek> the third way is to distribute the Z change based on the two lengths
[16:56:12] <SWPadnos> how would this G1R- behave with cutter comp turned on?
[16:56:19] <Lerman> Even with restrictions, it would make a lot of code easier to write.
[16:56:21] <cradek> (proportionally by arc and line lengths)
[16:56:30] <Lerman> I would work just fine, I think.
[16:56:39] <SWPadnos> would it just replace two lines with line-arc-line?
[16:56:47] <SWPadnos> which are then comped
[16:56:49] <Lerman> Exactly.
[16:56:53] <SWPadnos> ok
[16:56:54] <cradek> yes
[16:57:41] <Lerman> I just wrote some code (a subroutine) to cut a rectangular hole in a panel -- with corners of a specified radius.
[16:58:19] <Lerman> That would have been a lot simpler if I had this functionality. It used cutter comp.
[16:58:36] <cradek> heh, arcs in the corners of rectangles are very simple
[16:59:14] <Lerman> I didn't make it completely general because figuring the corners when the axes of the rectangle are not aligned with the machine axis was a PITA.
[16:59:42] <Lerman> (straightforward, but still a PITA)
[17:00:21] <cradek> bbl
[17:00:41] <Lerman> It would also have been simpler if we had a general coordinate system rotation.
[17:00:45] <Lerman> see you later.
[17:01:03] <cradek> yes that would be nice. and scaling.
[17:01:31] <Lerman> I haven't needed/desired scaling yet -- but understand the use.
[17:01:41] <cradek> they are easy, but not simple, to add
[17:01:50] <Lerman> Is scaling equal in both axis.
[17:01:52] <Lerman> ?
[17:01:59] <cradek> yes it would have to be
[17:02:05] <Lerman> If not, do circles become ellibses?
[17:02:06] <cradek> otherwise arcs aren't arcs
[17:02:13] <cradek> bbl, for real, now
[17:52:12] <stuste1> did I hear someone mention 'general coordinate system rotation'? - we need to have that capability :)
[17:52:35] <stuste1> 3D
[17:53:10] <SWPadnos> Did I hear someone mention "I hate it when my PC crashes while I have several spreadsheets and an accounting package open" ?
[17:53:46] <stuste1> I hate crashes also :(
[17:53:54] <SWPadnos> sigh
[17:54:04] <SWPadnos> I think this computer finally figured out that it's about to be replaced
[17:54:04] <toastatwork> I LOVE CRASHES
[17:56:50] <SWPadnos> what's really annoying is that it was just a flash problem
[17:57:14] <SWPadnos> if it had been something important or taxing, it might be less annoying
[17:57:18] <SWPadnos> then again, maybe not
[18:00:20] <skunkworks_> hmm - honestly - I can't rememeber the last time my work computer crashed.. (IE wigs out every once in a while - but it doesn't take the system down)
[18:01:22] <SWPadnos> actually, it wasn't a crash, it was a spontaneous reboot
[18:01:31] <SWPadnos> imagine my surprise when the screens all went black
[18:01:43] <SWPadnos> (not least because they were the only lighting in the room :) )
[18:10:50] <rayh> SWPadnos, as Flash the viewer?
[18:10:59] <SWPadnos> ?
[18:11:11] <rayh> You said it was a flash problem.
[18:11:29] <SWPadnos> yes, web page -> flash -> click -> death
[18:11:44] <rayh> Same thing here not to long ago.
[18:12:05] <rayh> The wife's PC.
[18:12:21] <rayh> 7.something ubuntu.
[18:12:45] <SWPadnos> windows 2000 here
[18:15:44] <rayh> odd
[18:16:01] <SWPadnos> yeah, it's usually pretty stable, if slow
[18:16:35] <rayh> We'd better chalk that one up to pure coincidence.
[18:16:39] <SWPadnos> I also apparently have problems with my CD-ROM, so I couldn't boot the EMC2/8.04 disc (something I've wanted to try on this PC for a while)
[18:17:26] <assargadon> * assargadon goint to install EMC on 8.04 just now
[18:18:12] <cradek> stuste1: nope, you heard wrong
[18:20:19] <assargadon> By the way, there are no more EMC2 in Ubuntu repositories
[18:21:21] <SWPadnos> EMC2 was never in the Ubuntu repositories, AFAIK
[18:21:35] <assargadon> SWPadnos: it was
[18:21:53] <assargadon> I saw them in my previsious trying of installing EMC
[18:22:06] <SWPadnos> we have our own repository for EMC2, which has to be added to sources.list before you can install with apt
[18:22:06] <jepler> you are probably mistaken about what you saw.
[18:22:33] <SWPadnos> the additional repos are already added when you use an EMC2 liveCD
[18:22:42] <assargadon> jepler: no I don't. I discuss it here
[18:23:10] <assargadon> SWPadnos: It was before I download EMC's CD
[18:23:18] <assargadon> well, no matter :)
[18:23:36] <SWPadnos> you will also see EMC2 if you use one of the install scripts (which add our repos to your sources :) )
[18:24:07] <assargadon> SWPadnos: well, maybe...
[18:25:36] <SWPadnos> heh :)
[18:25:58] <assargadon> I wander what's better: install EMC from sources
[18:26:04] <assargadon> or precompiled?
[18:26:16] <SWPadnos> precompiled is certainly easier
[18:26:42] <SWPadnos> unless there are some specific things you need/want from the 2.3 development version, I'd say there's no real reason to compile for yourself
[18:27:24] <assargadon> well, maybe EMC becomes much more faster and powerfull, if compiled from source :)
[18:27:52] <SWPadnos> err - not unless you make significant source code changes ;)
[18:28:22] <SWPadnos> the only thing that might be of use would be to roll your own optimized RTAI kernel, but that's the really hard part
[18:28:27] <SWPadnos> compiling EMC2 is darned easy
[18:33:13] <assargadon> * assargadon wonder if his code will work fine with this 8.04 EMC
[18:36:21] <stuste1> cradek: there is no possibility of me having heard wrong :) my dreams never lie to me
[18:38:07] <rayh> lucky b&^%$#@d
[18:38:22] <stuste1> hi Ray
[18:38:35] <rayh> High stuste1
[18:38:57] <cradek> I've thought about doing planar rotation, but I guess I don't want it bad enough to figure out all the details.
[18:39:20] <stuste1> planar three times is GOOD
[18:39:39] <cradek> heh, I meant planar-one-at-a-time
[18:39:51] <cradek> so for instance arcs stay in their original plane
[18:40:37] <stuste1> your 45 degree rotation does planar - one-at-a-time
[18:42:13] <cradek> oh rotatekins? yeah I guess it does. hard to change the rotation though. it belongs in the interpreter, not kinematics, because you get position jumps if you change rotation in kins.
[18:42:53] <stuste1> I don't know anything about the interpreter but it is very easy in kins
[18:43:17] <stuste1> UGH - another thing to learn
[18:50:13] <assargadon> * assargadon trying to understand what are you talking about
[18:51:49] <stuste1> 3 dimensional coordinate system rotation
[18:54:22] <stuste1> this will allow you to match the orientation of the program's coordinate system to the the part on the table (without dialing in the part) (like a CMM)
[18:54:39] <stuste1> use a 3,2,1 probe cycle and hit cycle start
[18:55:31] <stuste1> probe a contour - best fit the program to the contour - cut the surface
[18:58:31] <skunkworks_> stuste1: with all your work on the kins - I think you're up to the task
[18:59:29] <stuste1> I am trying to learn this stuff - the work on the cinci was very simple but very educational
[19:04:30] <assargadon> ok
[19:04:40] <assargadon> looks like EMC was installed
[19:04:49] <assargadon> I edit menu.lst accordingly
[19:05:09] <assargadon> so let's try to reboot and looks what will happen :)
[19:07:36] <cradek> stuste1: when the lathe is done (close!) I'll have to get emc on the mill so I can get to using that probe... remind me to show you the mounting I made for it when you are here.
[19:08:40] <stuste1> I will check on the signal receiver - right now - bbl
[19:09:38] <cradek> woo
[19:10:58] <assargadon> so pity
[19:11:03] <assargadon> failed....
[19:11:12] <assargadon> Hm, wonder why
[19:11:27] <cradek> failed what?
[19:11:38] <assargadon> the grub shows me Error 15: File not found
[19:11:57] <assargadon> I already had this problem with *-19 "normal' kernel
[19:12:05] <assargadon> but*-16 works good
[19:12:29] <assargadon> everything was installed OK (at least it looks like)
[19:12:43] <assargadon> kernel and init.rd appeared in needed place
[19:20:37] <toastatwork> I LOVE CRASHES
[19:21:30] <toastatwork> oops
[19:47:15] <willburrrr2003> Hello all, still having feedrate issues with my emc... i set max feedrate with stepconf wizard, but if i set the feedrate slider in emc to 100% my stepper stalls out badly...I have to set this slider to 50% before it moves without missing steps. why is this?
[19:48:00] <cradek> seems like you must be setting the max incorrectly if it only runs right at 50% of the max
[19:50:54] <willburrrr2003> when testing the max speed in stepconf wizard, i set my max to .25 and it runs fine back and forth without stalling.... i save the changes and exit, i thought that was all I had to do to set the max speed for a given axis?
[19:51:49] <cradek> what is your acceleration?
[19:52:03] <willburrrr2003> 20
[19:52:48] <cradek> what emc2 version is this?
[19:53:53] <willburrrr2003> not sure it is at home, downloaded it about 1.5 yrs ago
[19:54:45] <willburrrr2003> tried getting the new release, but after I downlaod and start to burn it never makes it past 6% ....but I can burn the older one all day long
[19:55:16] <willburrrr2003> and I am in error, the version I have was from dec 07
[19:55:37] <cradek> you do not have to get a new CD to update. Just install the online updates.
[19:56:00] <cradek> stepconf had several bugfixes in the latest release 2.2.6 which was made on 7/28/2008
[19:56:36] <cradek> but it seems like you could try lower numbers until it works. maybe the test is giving you a wrong number.
[19:56:52] <cradek> 20 acceleration is pretty fast for a machine that only goes 15inches/min.
[19:57:21] <willburrrr2003> ok, good to know ... do I have to get online with my ubunto to do the updates or can I download them to my windows box to put on a cd?
[19:58:04] <jepler> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?InstallingUpdates#On_Ubuntu_without_an_internet_connection
[19:58:09] <cradek> it is much, much easier if you put the machine online
[19:58:32] <willburrrr2003> which config file can I check to see what my speed and feed rate maxes are set at?
[19:58:46] <cradek> those settings .25 velocity, 20 acceleration means it will try to accelerate to top speed in .01 second.
[19:59:25] <cradek> the ini file
[19:59:37] <willburrrr2003> which doesn't sound doable with my setup
[20:01:21] <willburrrr2003> I will update my emc tonight, and I will also try a lower acceleration setting to see if that helps
[20:01:40] <willburrrr2003> i could be stalling out due to trying to go to max speed to fast
[20:01:53] <cradek> yes that's possible
[20:02:47] <cradek> let us know if you still have trouble once you're updated. stepconf is getting a lot of bugfixes and it would be good if you had them.
[20:03:48] <cradek> there are 18 fixes in stepconf since Dec 2007!
[20:03:53] <willburrrr2003> I will do that, thanks guys. It's nice to have people out there that know more about this setup than I do , and a good way to tal with you all about issues and whatnot
[20:04:21] <willburrrr2003> 18?!?! wow, definately time to update hehe
[20:08:48] <willburrrr2003> thanks for the help , back to work now as break is over I will let you know what happens after I update
[20:15:04] <stuste1> cradek: called the dealer to see what is involved with removing the probe pick up. will try to bring it with me
[20:15:48] <cradek> stuste1: I hope it's not a big deal. I was not hinting. It will be some time before I can use it.
[20:16:19] <cradek> your talk about rotation/CMM reminded me about it.
[20:16:39] <stuste1> I took it as a reminder to myself - if I don't address it - I forget
[20:17:35] <stuste1> dejavu - all over again
[20:17:55] <cradek> ?
[20:18:08] <stuste1> we have had this conversation before :)
[20:18:14] <cradek> haha
[20:18:44] <cradek> it's almost as if we're both thinking about other things sometimes
[20:19:26] <stuste1> there are other things besides EMC2 but I forget what they are
[20:32:27] <skunkworks_> stuste1: so - when do you start machining with the 5 axis machine?
[20:34:00] <anonimasu__> hello, what's up?
[20:44:42] <jepler> the roughness of copper on a circuit board is remarkable when magnified.
http://emergent.unpy.net/files/sandbox/circuitboard.jpg -- too bad I didn't get the intersection in focus in that shot
[20:48:26] <Lerman> I'm having a problem with emc saying I'm trying to move out of limits but it appears to not be the case.
[20:48:43] <cradek> what kind of move?
[20:49:14] <Lerman> I'm milling a circular ratchet with 12 teeth. I believe it is a g1.
[20:49:27] <Lerman> It doesn't seem to like positions less than zero.
[20:49:31] <cradek> when do you get the error?
[20:50:12] <Lerman> Preview is fine. When I hit run I get a message that program would exceed limits do you want to run anyway. When I say yes, I get the error on the first move.
[20:51:01] <cradek> doesn't it say 'move on line xxx'?
[20:51:03] <Lerman> I've previously moved the table to a "central" position and touched off X and Y to 0.0
[20:51:45] <Lerman> Yes it does. the line: g1 f#<_feed> y[[5.0/2]+[2*.250]] x[0-[2*.250]] causes the problem.
[20:52:09] <Lerman> It seems to not like positions less than zero.
[20:52:15] <Lerman> whoops already said that.
[20:52:44] <cradek> y+3 x-.5 is in limits?
[20:52:59] <Lerman> My machine (hard) limits are zero, but I tried both g54 and g55.
[20:53:04] <cradek> emc 'likes' negative numbers just fine...
[20:53:13] <Lerman> Yes (unless units are in feet).
[20:53:49] <cradek> using tool length offsets?
[20:54:18] <cradek> maybe it's actually the previous or next move that's the problem if you are sure +3,-.5 is in limits
[20:54:18] <Lerman> No. And I can jog up and back just fine. Jogging down to -18 is OK.
[20:55:11] <Lerman> I tried adding some blank lines. Still gives the same actual line. And the preview shows the range from -2.8 to +2.8 in both axes.
[20:55:44] <cradek> [[5.0/2]+[2*.250]] is > 2.8
[20:55:45] <Lerman> I'm using TRUNK from last week.
[20:58:13] <Lerman> I may be wrong about the exact number. I can go out to the machine and check. brb
[21:01:26] <Lerman> It shows 3.00 as max -- a previous attempt had different numbers.
[21:01:57] <Lerman> It's objecting to the minimum values, anway.
[21:02:06] <cradek> how do you know that?
[21:02:26] <Lerman> It says that it has exceeded the minimum limit.
[21:02:35] <cradek> pastebin the gcode?
[21:02:43] <Lerman> It's a PITA that error messages don't show much.
[21:03:05] <cradek> 'minimum limit of axis Y' would be an improvement
[21:03:24] <cradek> but AXIS does say that, doesn't it
[21:03:42] <jepler> Machine > Set Debug Level, turn on Task Issue and look at all the lines it spews when you try to run
[21:04:13] <cradek> you should be able to see in the preview where the program goes over a red dashed line
[21:04:26] <Lerman> http://pastebin.com/m7ad7a29
[21:04:36] <jepler> or by looking for which of the program dimensions is shown in a different color and with an outline
[21:04:55] <cradek> oh dear
[21:05:02] <Lerman> It would be nice if the error gave you the actual value.
[21:06:19] <Lerman> I'll bet you are going to say I should find the smallest program that fails. I could take out all of the subroutines since it is failing on the initial move at line 270.
[21:06:59] <SWPadnos> G20/G21?
[21:07:12] <Lerman> What is the question?
[21:07:29] <SWPadnos> nevermind - you said you can jog to -18 - presumably that's using the same units
[21:07:30] <jepler> what are your Z limits?
[21:07:58] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/lerman.png
[21:08:00] <Lerman> Physically about zero to about -4.5.
[21:08:54] <cradek> oh, runs in trunk
[21:09:59] <stuste1> cradek: not until after IMTS - I am adjusting the level screws - tomorrow I will have a Starrett straight edge - the Y axis was falling about .020 when I moved it from Y pos to Y neg limits. I have it at .007 now but the straight edge will tell me how much. I will then need to redo the dynamic comp numbers.
[21:10:19] <jepler> is Z0 inside the work volume?
[21:10:31] <jepler> there is no Z move in the program at all
[21:11:15] <Lerman> Two problems are shown by that msg. 1 -- the error message is wrong probably because it was not updated to handle named o-words. 2-- It thinks the routine has already been defined.
[21:11:44] <Lerman> Correct there is no Z move. Purposely -- I haven't written the code that will step down in Z yet.
[21:11:46] <cradek> Lerman: that was 2.2.6. it loads in trunk.
[21:11:52] <jepler> this causes axis to preview the program at Z=0. If I change sim.ini to have a [AXIS_2]MAX_LIMIT=-0.001 then axis shows the "program exceeds" message, though it identifies "Z" as the problem axis
[21:12:45] <Lerman> So it appears that Z is not the problem.
[21:12:54] <cradek> the program runs for me - it seems like you have an extra offset somewhere (g92?) or you have not touched off g54 like you thought
[21:13:59] <Lerman> Am I correct that I don't need a g54 in my program ? (I've added one, anyway, but I thought that was done in the built in preamble)
[21:14:16] <cradek> m2 switches to g54
[21:14:37] <cradek> g54 is also the default at startup
[21:15:44] <Lerman> That's what I thought.
[21:17:14] <Lerman> BRB -- I'm going back to the shop to make sure I've touched off correctly.
[21:22:43] <Lerman> seems OK.
[21:23:45] <Lerman> looking at the active modes: G3 17 41 20 90 94 54 49 99 64 0 97 M5 9 48 53 0 F5 S0
[21:25:15] <SWPadnos> when an error occurs in a subroutine, is it the calling location or the executing location that is reported as the location of the error?
[21:25:45] <SWPadnos> G3 is obviously in one of the subroutines, not from line 270 or 271
[21:26:12] <Lerman> The interp sets the current line number to the line in the subroutine.
[21:26:35] <SWPadnos> ok
[21:26:47] <alex_joni> what's ; in g-code?
[21:26:52] <Lerman> Could the G3 be left from a previous execution.
[21:27:03] <Lerman> ; is another comment delimiter.
[21:27:05] <SWPadnos> could be I guess
[21:27:21] <jepler> the active modal codes reflect the state after any read-ahead
[21:27:23] <Lerman> Everything after a ';' is treated as a comment.
[21:27:28] <SWPadnos> ok
[21:27:32] <SWPadnos> jepler, ok
[21:28:11] <jepler> this soft limits error is evaluated in motion and possibly after many more lines of gcode have been executed
[21:30:31] <Lerman> BRB -- I'm going to comment out the subroutine call and try again.
[21:38:06] <dmess> Hi all
[21:38:46] <dmess> Any one going to IMTS
[21:41:29] <dareposte> i'm planning on it, you?
[21:41:48] <dmess> yes.. ièll be there mon to wed
[21:41:52] <dmess> ill
[21:42:05] <assargadon> it looks like EMC was installed at least :)
[21:42:15] <assargadon> Is there some quick test for this?
[21:42:25] <assargadon> i.e.: realtime core works
[21:43:45] <dareposte> anybody know what version of EMC2 supports single-pulse index threading?
[21:44:06] <dareposte> i know the "latest" one, but is that cvs or is it out on sf yet
[21:44:17] <assargadon> dareposte: mmmm
[21:44:37] <assargadon> do you mean something like standart quadruple counter
[21:44:43] <assargadon> but with one pulse only?
[21:44:50] <dareposte> yeah index pulse only
[21:44:53] <assargadon> with one channel only
[21:45:20] <assargadon> dareposte: well, I made this several month ago
[21:45:57] <assargadon> you speak about correspondent hal component, isn't it?
[21:45:58] <SWPadnos> I know it's in CVS for 2.3, I'm checking on whether it's in 2.2.x
[21:46:24] <dareposte> okay thanks, i can pull the cvs but i'm slow at it
[21:46:35] <dareposte> need more practice i guess
[21:47:12] <assargadon> dareposte: if you need this component, and you are not hurry very much, I can send it to you yeasterday
[21:47:38] <dareposte> i've got a beer-can phototransistor device rigged up to test it out, but still have a few days of work before i can rig it all on there
[21:47:48] <assargadon> it's almoust 02:00 here and I want to sleep very much :)
[21:48:03] <Lerman> I reduced the program to one line and it still fails.
[21:48:14] <SWPadnos> it looks like it's only in TRUNK
[21:48:16] <assargadon> well, the project I'm working on needs one-channel pulse counter
[21:48:20] <dareposte> thank you for the kind offer, i can pull it out of CVS though if you need some sleep
[21:48:32] <assargadon> greate :)
[21:48:44] <dareposte> just was curious if anybody knew off-hand and for a fact if it was in the latest sourceforge package or not
[21:48:54] <Lerman> Actually, when I left out the g40 turning off cutter comp, it got a radius error. So, loading a new program doesn't turn off cutter comp. !!
[21:49:04] <assargadon> is there some test for emc realtime kernel, that can be made fast and easy? :)
[21:49:31] <SWPadnos> latency-test, from the menu (if your version is recent enough), or from a terminal
[21:49:57] <dareposte> SWPadnos: don't spend too much time digging around on my behalf, I will just pull the CVS and use it
[21:50:05] <SWPadnos> ok< I'm done :)
[21:50:05] <Lerman> I made a change to some of the file open logic to (try to) let you call a subroutine from mdi. I wonder if that broke something.
[21:50:51] <billy_kid2> hello
[21:50:55] <dareposte> whoever wrote the wiki for cvs did a really good job, btw
[21:51:01] <dareposte> a trained monkey could follow the directions
[21:51:34] <SWPadnos> we used a trained monkey in testing :)
[21:51:53] <dareposte> well it was effective
[21:52:00] <BigJohnT> a trained monkey did some editing on it :)
[21:52:07] <SWPadnos> shhhh
[21:52:18] <SWPadnos> bad monkey
[21:52:21] <HAL9000> lol
[21:52:49] <BigJohnT> can I have a plantain?
[21:53:57] <SWPadnos> quiet or I'll throw poo at you! ;)
[21:53:58] <dareposte> trained monkeys get all the fun... first ones in space, coding emc2, what next
[21:54:07] <SWPadnos> IRC help
[21:54:10] <assargadon> greate, it's looks like it works. My previsious problems was software-raid concerned...I had degraded RAID, and GRUB tried to find rt-core on degraded disk
[21:55:11] <dareposte> is this actually a "help" channel, or do people just show up here looking for help a lot?
[21:57:24] <dareposte> VERSION says pre-cvs 2.3 head, I guess that's the right one I got?
[21:57:37] <dmess> it used to was the development #
[21:58:45] <dmess> but this is where the answeres are at 3 am anywhere
[21:59:09] <SWPadnos> this is the EMC users and general discussion channel. there's another one for major development topics
[22:00:40] <BigJohnT> dareposte: then you are looking at TRUNK
[22:01:31] <dareposte> BigJohnT: That sounds like the one I need (I think)
[22:03:10] <dareposte> I have a plantain
[22:12:20] <dareposte> building crapped out on emcsh, "In file included from emc/usr_intf/emcsh.cc:23:
[22:12:20] <dareposte> /usr/include/tcl8.4/tk.h:23:3: error: #error Tk 8.4 must be compiled with tcl.h from Tcl 8.4"
[22:13:11] <dareposte> Tk 8.4 is installed from synaptics, do I need to recompile it?
[22:28:04] <dareposte> any advice on which tcl-tk version to attempt a build with?
[22:31:25] <jepler> dareposte: in debian/control.in I see listed tcl8.4-dev,tk8.4-dev
[22:32:54] <dareposte> hmm
[22:33:09] <dareposte> i had that as well, but it was accusing me of having the wrong version of tcl.h
[22:33:12] <HAL9000> BigJohnT: Are you still using sheetcam? I've got 0.0.28 complaining to download the new version but .28 is the newest version on site.
[22:35:27] <HAL9000> DoH! I see now John has logged off anyone else using sheetcam?
[22:38:19] <dareposte> I believe EMC2 links against every GPL library known to man.
[22:38:40] <dareposte> except for that ballistics library, fortunately
[22:38:44] <toastatwork> "a library for displaying small, dancing bubble figues?"
[22:38:47] <toastatwork> "include it immediately!"
[22:39:01] <toastatwork> *figures
[22:39:12] <dareposte> hah
[22:39:53] <dareposte> i get a bit nervous setuid'ing my machine control software too... but that might just be my paranoia
[22:40:13] <toastatwork> i guess?
[22:40:27] <toastatwork> i mean think about it, the stuff it controls actually costs money
[22:40:31] <toastatwork> config stuff, less so.
[22:41:48] <dareposte> err... i guess i was getting at having it run as root to control my machine
[22:42:18] <dareposte> next thing you know it will start trying to replicate itself and then will boot my regular user account and have full control. throw stuff out of the chuck at me when i try to unplug it, too
[22:43:36] <toastatwork> i was saying you have bigger issues than letting the software have root
[22:43:39] <toastatwork> is all
[22:43:48] <dareposte> hah
[22:43:51] <dareposte> i get it now
[22:44:12] <toastatwork> g53 g0 g91 z-1000.;
[22:44:13] <toastatwork> DONE
[22:44:36] <dareposte> don't forget the S1000
[22:45:27] <toastatwork> haha
[22:46:37] <dareposte> it actually built, i am surprised and amazed
[22:47:01] <dareposte> amazed that i got all the libraries in order, not that the code works
[22:52:58] <dareposte> whoops
[23:02:50] <dareposte> okay a serious question, I got the CVS to build with --enable-run-in-place, but it refuses to launch past the load configuration file page.
[23:03:15] <dareposte> the last thing it tells me is "alloc: invalid block 0xb7a8a19c"
[23:03:37] <dareposte> anybody have any ideas?
[23:04:28] <dareposte> it appears to have something to do with the $EMCDISPLAY
[23:10:32] <SWPadnos> did you source scripts/emc-environment?
[23:11:27] <dareposte> i guess not?
[23:11:58] <dareposte> i just installed it over the old one just now, and same problem
[23:12:13] <dareposte> ./configure, make, sudo make install
[23:13:01] <dareposte> error on line 601 of /usr/local/bin/emc
[23:13:42] <dareposte> the line references "case $EMCDISPLAY in tkemc|mini) ...
[23:15:41] <dmess> this VISTS sucks.. wont play any of my porn without sending an email fo my wife first... ;¨(
[23:17:40] <dareposte> SWPadnos: any ideas?
[23:17:43] <dmess> and im the IT moron who set that up.... LOL... you gotta just laugh sometimes...
[23:19:49] <dareposte> what is VISTS?
[23:22:11] <dmess> vista=crap oés
[23:22:31] <dareposte> oh vista
[23:22:57] <dareposte> i have a laptop with that pos on it, and it was always hassling me about something or another
[23:24:55] <dmess> im almost ready to NuKE it.... weve had it 3 weeks
[23:25:24] <dareposte> i figured out a way to turn off the supervisory layer they added, and it is now a lot better
[23:25:35] <dareposte> before it was always asking "are you sure you want to do this?"
[23:25:38] <dareposte> "how sure??"
[23:25:40] <dmess> how
[23:25:48] <dareposte> "maybe i should check with bill first, okay?"
[23:25:57] <dareposte> "bill says that's not safe."
[23:27:02] <dmess> i know a guy who flew a hang glider from torry pines over bills house just to take a piss
[23:27:05] <dareposte> i don't remember exactly how to do it now
[23:27:20] <dareposte> google "vista disable UAC" and you will find it
[23:27:48] <dareposte> if that is true it's great
[23:27:48] <dmess> i got his autograph in my flight log book.. just becz
[23:28:48] <dmess> we arent supposed to drop ANYTHING from the aircraft
[23:29:08] <dareposte> accidents happen...
[23:29:23] <dmess> that what he said
[23:30:42] <dareposte> are hang gliders regulated that way? i figured they wouldn't be
[23:32:36] <dmess> we have to follow the same as visual flight rule pilots.. and air space is getting crouded... we are flying with more heavy iron in the sky than ever
[23:34:13] <dareposte> well what if you are hang gliding and nature calls? what is proper protocol
[23:34:53] <dareposte> and if you just so happened to be inconveniently over someone's residence when this happened, it would be unfortunate indeed
[23:36:51] <dmess> but it would only be a mist from 3000 feet....( too bad)
[23:38:49] <dmess> it gotta be better than the best YAK into a full face helmet and down into a pod harness..
[23:39:23] <dmess> ther was 2 gallons of vomit at her fee when we landed
[23:39:35] <dmess> feet
[23:47:36] <SWPadnos> dareposte, out of curiosity, what config did you try to load, and was a DISPLAY= line present in the ini file?
[23:48:09] <dareposte> i attempted to load both nist-lathe and the 9x20 config I had made with stepconf
[23:48:15] <dareposte> both crashed after the loading screen
[23:48:38] <SWPadnos> and you ran from a terminal prompt?
[23:48:52] <dareposte> xterm yeah
[23:49:17] <dareposte> there is a DISPLAY=axis
[23:49:39] <SWPadnos> well, you can try to get a run-in-place working by doing make clean, then ./configure --enable-run-in-place, then make
[23:49:52] <dareposte> yeah i just finished doing that
[23:49:55] <dareposte> still no dice
[23:49:59] <SWPadnos> you'll need to source scripts/emc-environment and then run EMC from the same terminal
[23:50:53] <dareposte> four variables show up with env | grep EMC
[23:50:59] <dareposte> but still does not run
[23:51:19] <SWPadnos> hmmm.. me out of ideas
[23:51:29] <dareposte> and in fact it crashes the terminal now when i run it after sourcing emc-environment
[23:51:38] <dareposte> so i get to open a new terminal and try it again
[23:53:43] <dareposte> latency-test shows the rtos is working
[23:57:32] <SWPadnos> from a terminal where you have sourced emc-environment, what does "which latency-test" say?
[23:57:40] <SWPadnos> or which emc, for that matter
[23:58:01] <dareposte> ~/emc2/scripts/latency-test
[23:59:20] <dareposte> which is where i cvs'd to
[23:59:26] <SWPadnos> ok
