#emc | Logs for 2008-06-15

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[00:31:20] <dmess> just scarfed chinese food...
[00:59:32] <jmkasunich> http://linuxcnc.org/c_f/festcam.shtml
[01:11:08] <chr0n1c> so much fun... i am now finished cleaning out my gutters on the house for this year!
[01:11:19] <chr0n1c> that should be an mdio command for emc
[01:11:23] <chr0n1c> mdi*
[03:25:12] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=59635
[03:35:42] <cradek> hey skunkworks
[03:36:59] <cradek> huh, IMO that's a push-poll
[03:37:39] <toastydeath> tru
[03:37:57] <cradek> maybe not on purpose, but still.
[04:37:04] <cradek> nice. good working wireless at the hotel.
[05:52:56] <toastydeath> ffffff
[11:27:30] <BigJohnT> wake up guys
[11:30:42] <cradek> hey good morning
[11:38:51] <micges> hello
[11:58:15] <BigJohnT> morning
[12:08:00] <alex_mobile> Hi
[12:13:46] <BigJohnT> Hi alex_mobile
[12:28:18] <alex_mobile> * alex_mobile is driving to an exhibition
[12:54:48] <BigJohnT> dang lumpy internet this morning
[12:56:16] <Guest559> Survey about EMC (Not aimed at users though) But resluts might be interesting http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=463520
[12:57:07] <BigJohnT> kinda strange place to put the survey...
[12:57:17] <Guest559> why?
[12:57:36] <Guest559> where potential users are
[12:57:47] <BigJohnT> ok
[12:57:51] <Guest559> dont sell to the converted :)
[12:58:13] <BigJohnT> I never go there
[12:58:15] <Guest559> sell to the ones who dont know or are too scarred to use it :)
[12:58:16] <cradek> Guest559: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Push_poll
[12:58:54] <cradek> (imo)
[12:59:29] <BigJohnT> If I'm interested in something I go to that forum that way the info is focused on that subject
[12:59:35] <Guest559> is that a bad thing? explain your thoughts?
[13:00:21] <BigJohnT> no not bad, IMHO you might miss all the ones that are interested in EMC by posting in the clubhouse
[13:00:42] <Guest559> yeh but there was a good reason for that........
[13:01:17] <Guest559> only the club house allowed for an html post, the emc section doesnt and wont hold the survey :)
[13:01:26] <BigJohnT> you would however expose those who never heard of EMC on the club house
[13:01:44] <BigJohnT> s/on/in
[13:02:04] <cradek> it's not a poll, it's an anti-emc propoganda
[13:02:07] <Guest559> I have requested for html to be enabled in the emc section, and for me to moderate it as well
[13:02:55] <cradek> a similar one for mach would be "does the fact that mach runs on windows which is prone to crashing and working badly and being hard to use, make you not want to use it?" [yes] [no]
[13:03:08] <Guest559> Actually its not anti emc at all. The questions are not for those who have desided to use it, its for those who havnt, and I want to know thier biases
[13:03:31] <BigJohnT> and no CAM or CAD packages for linux???
[13:03:33] <Guest559> Trust me its a good thing not a bad thing as you might think.
[13:04:04] <Guest559> My ignorance, but if I am ignorant then probably many others are too
[13:04:05] <BigJohnT> usually when someone says "trust me" I don't, sorry
[13:04:28] <cradek> then you should ask or read what is already written, instead of presenting a list of ways they might be prejudiced for them to choose from
[13:04:30] <Guest559> the web site should show all links to cad cam etc. I propose to do that
[13:04:49] <BigJohnT> it's all ready done on wiki
[13:05:06] <BigJohnT> Guest559: have you ever used EMC?
[13:05:47] <Guest559> only the live install and only untill I realised I would have to boot back into windows for CAM CAD
[13:05:57] <Guest559> But I intend to change that.
[13:06:18] <Guest559> If saying trust me makes you distrsut me, your loss :)
[13:06:40] <BigJohnT> how will you change that?
[13:07:32] <Guest559> Im not so new to all this, as you might expect....I wont blow my trumpet, but I have managed to do some good stuff for mach in the past.
[13:08:34] <BigJohnT> your survey seems to do good stuff for mach
[13:10:50] <Guest559> so it may seem, but think of it like Ramsays Kitchen :) some truths must be faced by people, and adjustments made to suit the truths.
[13:10:54] <Guest559> LOL
[13:12:07] <Guest559> Tell me, why would more people prefere to use Mach when it costs money, than EMC when its free?
[13:13:06] <BigJohnT> I'm guessing that is a mach survey
[13:13:54] <BigJohnT> why are your questions suggestive that EMC is less than mach
[13:14:17] <cradek> Guest559: to be clear let me say I'm not questioning your motives. I believe you that you want to help the EMC project. But I think your survey is bad. It presents half-truths as facts, and these half-truths will influence the answers. Also when a pollster presents his own opinions in the same thread it will influence the answerer into agreeing.
[13:14:42] <BigJohnT> I feel the same way
[13:16:28] <BigJohnT> so back to the question what do you indend to change?
[13:18:53] <Guest559> The question as that way because they are the reason that have stopped me from using EMC. Others would feel the same way too. If you guys can see the answers to the questions you would see that I am not alone in that feeling.
[13:19:14] <Guest559> What i intend to change, (Given permission).......
[13:20:14] <Guest559> make the site more visually friendly........put in a online forum (I know this would make a difference)
[13:20:29] <Guest559> show more exciting screen shots
[13:20:47] <BigJohnT> excellent ideas
[13:20:52] <BigJohnT> which site?
[13:21:04] <Guest559> set it up so that other users can show off thier machines and work etc
[13:21:28] <BigJohnT> that is already on the EMC wiki site
[13:21:37] <BigJohnT> and anyone can add to it
[13:21:38] <Guest559> this site.......given permission.
[13:21:56] <Guest559> any one can do it sure......but have they?
[13:21:56] <BigJohnT> the CNCZone?
[13:22:04] <BigJohnT> yes all the time
[13:22:11] <Guest559> no here
[13:22:16] <BigJohnT> the IRC?
[13:22:30] <Guest559> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php
[13:22:32] <Guest559> here
[13:22:33] <BigJohnT> oh, your a guest on the EMC site
[13:22:41] <Guest559> yes
[13:22:46] <BigJohnT> ok I know where your are now :)
[13:23:28] <Guest559> Ok one self promotion, please forgive me.........
[13:25:24] <BigJohnT> take a gander on this page http://www.linuxcnc.org/content/view/50/13/
[13:25:34] <Guest559> One year after I started with Art, his comment to me was, he had sold the same ammount of licences in that year that he had sold in the previous 3 years. Maybe it was going to grow like that anyway, but I suspect some of the things I did do made some differences. without blowing my own trumpet too hard :)
[13:26:38] <BigJohnT> so why are you jumping ship?
[13:27:22] <Guest559> Ok Isaw the link, but I have other things to offer, Im no programmer, but I have a natural promotional talent.
[13:28:18] <BigJohnT> have you done step 1?
[13:29:14] <Guest559> Jumping ship........its not quite like that.....its a personal thing.....and I will always love Art and mach, but since Art has retired its time for a change for me.....
[13:30:15] <BigJohnT> I didn't know Art retired... change in management... I hate that just when you get used to someone
[13:30:21] <Guest559> I enjoy a challenge, I would like to see what I could offer EMC as well. Besdies I love CNC the same as you :)
[13:31:13] <BigJohnT> I'm not much of a programmer (python mostly) and I've completed steps 1-4 and am waiting on step 5 so I can work on the manuals
[13:31:15] <Guest559> yeah art retired at te start of the year, though he is still around some. But less and less all the time
[13:32:27] <BigJohnT> get a registered nick and join in the fun here on the IRC... add some content to the wiki page... get to know everyone
[13:32:55] <Guest559> well if completeing steps as you are proposing is mandatory, I might have to go out on my own bat and set up something anyway. I can hand it over when its proven itself.
[13:34:07] <Guest559> Thanks John, for the invitation, but I dont want to perpetuate the norm, I want to introduce some new stuff. For example the video galley etc
[13:34:07] <BigJohnT> I'm just echoing what is on the "Becoming A Contrigutor" page... I don't know what is mandatory
[13:35:20] <BigJohnT> here is a good place to find the EMC videos http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Videos for your page
[13:36:16] <Guest559> When was the last time you visited here http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php I built this from nothing. It now has 7400 members.
[13:36:27] <als> I considered Mach at first but I had to learn one system anyway why not chose a free package emc
[13:36:40] <BigJohnT> well I can tell you I have never been there
[13:36:53] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT is looking
[13:38:29] <Guest559> I built a team of admin, moderators and the comunity. It now pretty much runs itself. Again, another reason for the change, the challenge has gone, and I like building :)
[13:38:30] <BigJohnT> a bit long for my tastes but real nice layout
[13:39:03] <Guest559> yeh it is long, but thats due to the many aspects of mach
[13:39:30] <BigJohnT> have you contacted the EMC board of directors?
[13:39:46] <Guest559> http://www.machsupport.com/forum/index.php?action=stats
[13:39:59] <BigJohnT> I'm just a user
[13:40:06] <Guest559> I did a while back, and again recently
[13:40:16] <BigJohnT> and...
[13:40:29] <als> BigJohnT, and a happy one
[13:40:42] <Guest559> yeh I know you are a user.......no big deal, the sell starts somewhere :)
[13:41:13] <als> why would emc need to be sold?
[13:41:14] <BigJohnT> als :)
[13:41:14] <Guest559> Yeh it was a good responce, they knew of me, but I never got back to them. Now I am really ready
[13:42:14] <BigJohnT> sounds like time to contact them again... most of them are at the EMC fest
[13:42:28] <Guest559> galesburg?
[13:42:33] <BigJohnT> yes
[13:42:47] <als> they will be here all week IRC
[13:43:25] <als> they are here all week, every week
[13:44:04] <Guest559> How much of this chat remains in the memory? Do new logins read back?
[13:44:10] <als> all
[13:44:15] <BigJohnT> it is logged
[13:44:20] <Guest559> cool
[13:44:47] <als> logger_emc
[13:44:47] <BigJohnT> go to the wiki site for a link
[13:45:06] <als> http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/
[13:45:09] <Guest559> another thing I stared a few years ago http://www.youtube.com/groups_videos?name=artsoft
[13:45:43] <BigJohnT> why not start one for EMC?
[13:45:44] <Guest559> these things all add to the confidence of new users considering the product
[13:45:52] <Guest559> I did
[13:46:00] <Guest559> you saw it
[13:46:17] <BigJohnT> ok, didn't know what I was looking at
[13:46:33] <Guest559> http://www.youtube.com/groups_videos?name=EMCCNC
[13:46:38] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT is headed out for fathers day breakfast
[13:46:45] <Guest559> we can now build off that
[13:46:53] <Guest559> ok seeya John
[13:46:56] <Guest559> thanks
[13:47:21] <BigJohnT> cool
[13:47:52] <BigJohnT> when you get a chance get a nick so we know when we are talking to you
[13:48:01] <BigJohnT> bbl
[13:51:13] <als> cradek, how was the drive through Iowa?
[15:16:43] <chr0n1c> morning all!
[15:19:04] <chr0n1c> http://ohiopctech.com/cpg/thumbnails.php?album=9 <- some pics of my garden outback, in the shape of a huge J (my first name is Jason, ;) )
[15:38:04] <chr0n1c> i don't here any cnc machines running out there ... what's up with that people? i know it's sunday but you are allowed to play with CNC toys on sundays!
[15:48:48] <jmkasunich> http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/festcam.shtml
[15:49:42] <jepler> jmkasunich: I think I don't have the refresh working on that version of the page yet .. I'm working on that now, though
[15:49:55] <jmkasunich> ok
[15:51:07] <chr0n1c> * chr0n1c vows to make it to a cnc fest someday with his machine...
[15:51:47] <chr0n1c> how many people ended up there this year?
[15:52:03] <cradek> http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/festcam.shtml
[15:52:06] <cradek> http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/festcam.shtml
[15:52:10] <cradek> dangit sorry
[15:54:16] <jmkasunich> chr0n1c: this year it isn't officially started, we're setting up
[15:54:34] <jmkasunich> last year was somewhere between 100 and 200 I think
[15:54:44] <jmkasunich> starts tomorrow
[15:55:15] <BigJohnT> now someone moved in the webcam shot
[15:55:18] <chr0n1c> sooo.. my boss keeps asking me about the cnc conversion stuff... he is considering having me convert a horizontal cincinnatti mill to cnc...
[15:56:28] <chr0n1c> i keep making parts for myself at work during lunch and he is so nosey.. i tell him it's for my cnc machine. then we have the same conversation over and over about converting the horizontal. i think he really wants to do it. but he is an oldschool machinist
[15:56:55] <chr0n1c> .. an oldschool no CNC machines.. .still runs a planer from 1933
[15:57:12] <chr0n1c> how do i convince him to just do it?
[15:57:19] <chr0n1c> or to jsut let me do it?
[15:57:45] <chr0n1c> i guess taking my mini mill into the shop for him to play around with would be one way to get him motivated
[16:03:28] <alSMT> show him some pic of the mazak they are working on at the fest or some from stews shop of the 5 axis G/L
[16:04:26] <jepler> refresh fixed on http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/festcam.shtml now
[16:04:30] <chr0n1c> hey i saw a video on youtube of a CDRW IR laser diode engraving plastic last night.. i'm thinking i am gonna build one for my mini mill. it was just the diode a power supply and a lm317 regulator
[16:04:53] <chr0n1c> good idea alSMT
[16:06:02] <BigJohnT> hmmm I had to close the window with the fest to be able to type in here
[16:06:26] <BigJohnT> now it works
[16:06:34] <BigJohnT> cause everyone left
[16:06:38] <BigJohnT> :)
[16:08:22] <BigJohnT> chr0n1c: you could get the ex-mach guy to sell him EMC
[16:08:53] <chr0n1c> i played with mach on a friends machine.. i hated it!
[16:09:03] <BigJohnT> LOL me too
[16:09:15] <alSMT> you go BigJohnT :)
[16:09:44] <BigJohnT> :)
[16:10:12] <alSMT> that guy looks to be from Au.
[16:10:29] <BigJohnT> the ex-mach guy?
[16:10:35] <alSMT> ya
[16:11:55] <BigJohnT> for someone who does not like to blow his own horn he sure did a lot of horn blowing
[16:12:49] <alSMT> on his site I don't see a mention of a CNC of his own?
[16:13:06] <BigJohnT> he has a site?
[16:13:13] <BigJohnT> or the youtube thingy
[16:13:24] <alSMT> he really didn't mention what he did for Mach did he
[16:13:26] <alSMT> no
[16:13:39] <BigJohnT> kinda said he did the web site stuff
[16:13:50] <alSMT> i try and find it
[16:13:55] <BigJohnT> did some stuff for the forums
[16:14:00] <chr0n1c> lol, a 3 year old monkey/child could do a website ;)
[16:14:22] <chr0n1c> probably a younger monkey even
[16:15:49] <chr0n1c> .ne is going to deposit this check in the bank and then going fishing... (i'm taking my camera this time!)
[16:17:08] <JymmmEMC> chr0n1c: Lost a bet huh? "...and it was THIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIS big, but got away"
[16:17:37] <BigJohnT> jepler: looks like the cnc workshop page is working good now
[16:18:23] <chr0n1c> lol... a few people didn't even believe i would leave my basement to go fishing... AND there is some badass graffitti on the train bridge across the river... ;) i gotta shot some pics of the grff for http://daytonhiphop.com
[16:19:12] <chr0n1c> .. last time i went fishing.. i caught a mean lookin 10" largemouth and let it go
[16:19:30] <chr0n1c> *kept it on the stringer till i left so i didn't catch it twice
[16:20:02] <BigJohnT> I throw back bass if I'm catching bluegill or red eared sunfish...
[16:20:09] <BigJohnT> or crappie
[16:20:37] <JymmmEMC> you actually WANT to catch carp?
[16:21:06] <BigJohnT> which one is in the carp family?
[16:21:25] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT does not pretend to know
[16:21:25] <JymmmEMC> I thought it was those tiny 3-4" ones
[16:21:39] <chr0n1c> carp are fun to catch!
[16:22:00] <chr0n1c> i can take you guys to a gravel pit where the carp are huge!
[16:22:01] <BigJohnT> they are 3" thick and 12" long and 8" tall
[16:22:20] <JymmmEMC> oh, no idea then.
[16:23:04] <JymmmEMC> We went trout fishing and all we ever caught was bait.
[16:23:16] <chr0n1c> mmm trout
[16:23:25] <BigJohnT> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluegill
[16:23:58] <BigJohnT> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Redear_sunfish
[16:25:28] <chr0n1c> well, i hope you all enjoy your day.. GO OUTSIDE PEOPLE! it's a nice one out there!
[16:25:39] <BigJohnT> time for a nap here
[16:25:41] <chr0n1c> * chr0n1c going to the river
[16:25:56] <BigJohnT> have fun
[17:03:03] <alex_mobile> How`s fest?
[17:03:26] <skunkworks> looks to be some good converstaion going on.. Just need audio
[17:03:30] <skunkworks> ;)
[17:03:43] <alSMT> looks like they are having good time
[17:04:56] <skunkworks> cradek: is your max on the end of the desk by you?
[17:07:17] <jmkasunich> yes, it is
[17:08:18] <alex_mobile> Guess i need to switch to my laptop to see the cam
[17:20:00] <alex_joni> this is better
[17:27:08] <dmess> hi all
[18:36:02] <lerman_> lerman_ is now known as lerman
[19:10:31] <awallin_ubu> stupid Q: was there a way to continue a long python statement on the next line?
[19:14:44] <acemi> awallin_ubu: use \ at the end of line
[19:15:22] <awallin_ubu> ah, ok, I somehow remembered ',' but it didn't work
[19:15:36] <Vq^> encapsulate the statement with () might help
[19:24:10] <chr0n1c> got cnc?
[19:29:40] <dmess> who me.... of cours NOT mine.. as usual... but i have friends...in high places... 8-)
[19:30:06] <chr0n1c> you got high friends in low places?
[19:30:09] <chr0n1c> :o
[19:30:32] <dmess> and low friends in high places
[19:32:10] <dmess> they call me the preacher... i keep searchin' low and HIGH.....but i won't get what i'm after till the day i die....
[19:48:18] <awallin_ubu> anyone got an 8-core machine ?! :) go run this python code and send me the results http://www.anderswallin.net/2008/06/multiprocessing-pystone-benchmark/
[19:55:24] <skunkworks> awallin: I have a 8 core machine at work.. but it is running 2003 server
[19:55:41] <skunkworks> (dual quadcore)
[19:55:54] <JymmmEMC> ram?
[19:56:10] <skunkworks> I really don't remember.. probably 8gb
[19:56:23] <JymmmEMC> ew
[19:56:51] <skunkworks> all it is used for is a ripping machine for our direct to screen machine
[19:56:54] <JymmmEMC> is it fast?
[19:57:04] <alex_joni> ripping?
[19:57:05] <JymmmEMC> responsive?
[19:57:07] <skunkworks> according to the art department.. 'smoking'
[19:57:13] <JymmmEMC> ah
[19:57:23] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: pre-process separation == ripping
[19:57:29] <skunkworks> exactly
[19:57:35] <alex_joni> I see.. thx
[19:57:57] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: ever seen pjIrc ?
[19:58:07] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: breaking an image into CYKM for separating colors for each ink color
[19:58:21] <JymmmEMC> assuming 4color press
[19:58:33] <skunkworks> mostly. sometimes just a few spot colors.
[19:58:34] <alex_joni> thought it's CYMK ;)
[19:58:44] <skunkworks> CMYK actually ;)
[19:58:46] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: sometimes it's 8 colors
[19:58:52] <alex_joni> err.. right
[19:59:17] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: Yes,I have it on my blackberry
[19:59:25] <alex_joni> works nice
[19:59:52] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: for the most part, just dont like that input screen removes channel screen
[20:00:04] <awallin> this multiprocessing package together with cython will probably enable some pretty cpu-intensive cam algorithms to be run from python without resorting to swig or boost::python
[20:00:34] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=463899#post463899
[20:00:51] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: But, it's the only irc client I know of for BB, so it doe sth job
[20:02:38] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: maybe you can use screen + irssi ;)
[20:02:50] <alex_joni> I mean ssh + screen + irssi
[20:03:02] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: LOL, screen on a BB?!
[20:03:08] <alex_joni> although the only ssh client I found emulates vt320
[20:03:12] <alex_joni> and screen didn't like that
[20:03:25] <alex_joni> actually I don't have a BB.. I use it on my mobile phone
[20:03:34] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: I havne't found a good ssh client for it yet
[20:03:40] <alex_joni> (even smaller screen.. )
[20:03:54] <alex_joni> I use MidpSSH
[20:04:10] <JymmmEMC> That's what I tried, but never could get it to connect.
[20:04:10] <alex_joni> 3x5 fonts :D
[20:04:22] <alex_joni> works ok here.. with ssh2
[20:04:24] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: I just a very large key, and I don't think it likes it
[20:04:32] <alex_joni> ah, might be
[20:04:38] <alex_joni> I used user/pass auth
[20:04:54] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: pw auth, but the hostkey is large
[20:05:42] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: even from a large pipe and a fast box, it takes a while to negotiate the session
[20:06:30] <JymmmEMC> 0m5.086s
[20:07:39] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: you have a nokia iirc
[20:10:07] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: nope, sony-ericsson
[20:10:16] <JymmmEMC> Hey! I just thought of a good use of the very expensive plotter at work that never gots used.
[20:10:24] <JymmmEMC> gets
[20:10:32] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: w880i
[20:10:50] <JymmmEMC> ah, ok
[20:11:52] <alex_joni> http://www.mobilejazz.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/04/sony-ericsson-w880i.jpg
[20:12:18] <JymmmEMC> ah
[20:12:39] <anonimasu> cute
[20:15:57] <awallin> alex_joni: does it have python? My N95 has python but I haven't gotten around to install it yet...
[20:18:08] <alex_joni> awallin: nope
[20:18:15] <alex_joni> no boa either
[20:34:30] <Roguish> alex_joni: hey, do you like the w880i? i'm close to scapping out my razer and am looking at the w580i or the w880i.
[20:34:42] <Roguish> your thoughts?
[20:40:57] <alex_joni> I like it very much
[20:41:14] <alex_joni> didn't see the w580i
[20:41:18] <anonimasu> I had a k750i way back and it were really solid
[20:41:22] <anonimasu> (the new ones seem solid too)
[20:44:56] <alex_joni> hmm.. the W880i is too tiny to feel really solid ;)
[20:45:58] <alex_joni> but together with a HBH-DS980 it makes a really nice platform
[20:48:38] <alex_joni> the camera is crap though ;)
[20:48:50] <alex_joni> but that's expected.. the K's are much better in that aspect
[21:01:57] <alex_joni> good night all
[21:29:00] <chr0n1c> anybody like graffitti? i took over 100 pictures eariler today...
[21:29:01] <chr0n1c> http://ohiopctech.com/cpg/thumbnails.php?album=10
[21:48:19] <dmwaters> {global notice} Good day folks, We apologize for the stability issues at the moment, it appears that we have a kiddie who wants to play some rather nasty games. I thank you for your patience, and thank you for using freenode!
[21:55:46] <K`zan> There is *someplace* in the wiki that has to do with problems getting zero/home - section3 of something, but I'll be damned if I can find it again. Anyone got a clue on this?!?
[21:58:32] <chr0n1c> is it the bit about workplanes/offsets being turned on?
[21:59:01] <jepler> K`zan: maybe you mean this? http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?CoordinateSystems#So_if_you_re_lost_what_should_you_do
[21:59:39] <chr0n1c> that's waht i was thinking about
[21:59:45] <chr0n1c> what*
[22:01:02] <K`zan> jepler: YES, thanks, I'd been look for that for quite a while :-/.
[22:01:37] <jepler> K`zan: you were right that it was section 3 :-P
[22:01:51] <K`zan> I got that much right LOL!
[22:02:03] <K`zan> Here is how the part came out - not quite what I intended:
[22:02:08] <K`zan> http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/MyMachineShop/PipeDreamMill/PDM-2008-06-15-Nema23-1st/
[22:02:16] <chr0n1c> anyone know what the world record amount of time for chewing on a bite of slim jim is?
[22:02:45] <K`zan> 43 hours 23 minutes and 19 second?
[22:02:48] <K`zan> ;-)
[22:03:13] <chr0n1c> the plastic looks ok k'zan
[22:03:23] <K`zan> My brain hurts :), bbiaf.
[22:03:52] <K`zan> 8
[22:04:25] <chr0n1c> hmmm is that backlash i see making the holes not hit your scribed lines?
[22:05:27] <chr0n1c> ... or it it that the scribed lines are off, hmmm...
[22:06:30] <K`zan> No, scribed line was only for setting to part home/zero x/y.
[22:07:03] <K`zan> Served no other purprose. Just jogged x and y to put the tool as near as possible to the intersetction.
[22:07:31] <K`zan> Problem is that the holes are routed around the outside rather than inside.
[22:07:59] <K`zan> The nubs in the 4 small holes are what should have been routed out.
[22:08:10] <K`zan> Gonna get the coffee yet :-) brb
[22:09:49] <chr0n1c> yeah did you figure out your offsets?
[22:10:22] <toastydeath> k`zan: find either g41 or g42
[22:10:25] <toastydeath> then swap it
[22:10:30] <toastydeath> and see if that makes it right.
[22:10:49] <toastydeath> bump the Z offset of your work coordinates up by the maximum cut depth
[22:10:54] <toastydeath> minus a thou or two
[22:11:06] <toastydeath> when it finishes it should have scuffed up the nub to show you
[22:11:27] <toastydeath> just block it down and watch distance to go to make sure.
[22:15:32] <chr0n1c> right on!
[22:17:08] <chr0n1c> .. i'm thinking my machine need some 3:1 pulleys on my leadscrews.. 10 ipm rapids is embarrasing...
[22:17:18] <chr0n1c> 30 ipm rapids would be livable
[22:17:44] <toastydeath> ouch
[22:17:55] <chr0n1c> and 3 ipm to 10 ipm normal cutting speed,
[22:18:28] <chr0n1c> right now they are direct drive...
[22:18:39] <toastydeath> 10:1 pullies obv.
[22:18:48] <toastydeath> 1500 IPM RAPIDS OR BUST
[22:19:06] <chr0n1c> i was looking i can change one plat on the mounts that are on these pre-buil slide units and move the motors to the side, flip the bracket and add some pulleys
[22:19:48] <chr0n1c> lol... i only have 10" on my longest axis... 1500 ipm it would crash before i could let go of the jog button
[22:21:08] <chr0n1c> too bad printers don't have metal gears in them.. i have a ton of cheap plastic gears
[22:22:59] <toastydeath> most machines i've used won't let you jog at full rapid anyway
[22:23:08] <toastydeath> (for that very reason)
[22:23:45] <chr0n1c> lol, the milltronics i ran let you jog at 100ipm
[22:23:54] <chr0n1c> with a fancy pants jogwheel
[22:24:02] <chr0n1c> it had a little knob on it even
[22:24:27] <toastydeath> lol
[22:36:19] <K`zan> toastydeath: g41 or g42 it is Sir :-)!
[22:36:28] <toastydeath> switch it dude
[22:36:34] <toastydeath> if it's g41, then make it g42
[22:36:36] <toastydeath> and vise versa
[22:38:30] <K`zan> toastydeath: I tried that and the program would not run, not sure why yet. Lemme fire up that box and cut some more plastic to play with...
[22:38:41] <toastydeath> what alarm does it throw
[22:39:07] <toastydeath> the radius/diameter value in the comp table might be too big for the circle?
[22:40:14] <toastydeath> the other option is to swap g2 for g3
[22:40:19] <toastydeath> and leave g41/42 alone
[22:40:34] <toastydeath> the cut entry might be weird and not be valid for both instances
[22:40:59] <toastydeath> or not weird, but the cutter can't fit in the same entry from the other direction
[22:42:34] <toastydeath> and if that's the case you'll have to modify the entry no matter which fix you try to do
[22:44:17] <chr0n1c> we need canned pocketing cycles! with spiral in and all tha tfancy stuff ;)
[22:44:27] <chr0n1c> then her could do that easy as pie
[22:44:32] <chr0n1c> him/her
[22:44:38] <chr0n1c> anyone*
[22:45:21] <chr0n1c> err.. is there in standard g-code right?
[22:45:34] <toastydeath> there is only a loosely agreed set of codes that you could call "standard"
[22:45:38] <chr0n1c> man i gotta stop using mastercam to do all the dirty work ;)
[22:45:39] <toastydeath> and not everyone pays attention to even that
[22:45:41] <toastydeath> Okuma, for example
[22:46:21] <chr0n1c> i have lost touch with my g-code programming memory with all this fancy pants cam
[22:46:25] <toastydeath> lol
[22:47:50] <toastydeath> yeah i love being able to just code stuff
[22:47:51] <toastydeath> at the tool
[22:52:19] <chr0n1c> http://forums.reprap.org/read.php?12,9459 <- arduino cnc controls code
[22:52:32] <K`zan_emc> OK, got some stuff to play with cut out. Hope the double sticky tape will hold this...
[22:54:32] <K`zan_emc> Looks real useful once I get the mill itself worked out and better clue (any clue? :-) on how to make it work :).
[22:56:45] <chr0n1c> i ground some 6061 ona magnetic chuck with a thompson water grinder.. WITH water.. and some grease in stick that our polishing guy uses.. it's like semi dried out crisco... WITH DOUBLE SIDED TAPE!
[22:56:57] <chr0n1c> just yesterday i did that ** ;)
[22:57:22] <chr0n1c> so if you got good double sided tape it will hold anyhting down ;)
[22:57:45] <K`zan_emc> Well, this plastic seems a bit oily, so we'll see. Worked well enough with the slick stuff.
[22:57:48] <chr0n1c> when i wanted to take the 6061 off the tape i jsut soaked the chuck with laquer thinner
[22:58:05] <K`zan_emc> as in not pebbed finish, slick - smooth.
[22:58:07] <chr0n1c> ... slid a razor knife under it... and it popped right off
[22:58:12] <toastydeath> lol
[22:58:24] <K`zan_emc> :-) that would eat up my cutting board material :).
[22:58:31] <chr0n1c> wipe it down with rubbing alchohol before you use the tape
[22:58:36] <toastydeath> srsly
[22:58:38] <toastydeath> no coolant
[22:58:58] <chr0n1c> you could use a thick dishsoap concentration for coolant
[22:59:15] <chr0n1c> someone in here suggested that for me when i was cutting lexan, it works awesome
[22:59:43] <chr0n1c> jsut add a little water, enough to thin it out the tineist bit
[22:59:55] <chr0n1c> omg..
[23:00:01] <chr0n1c> i wish spell check would work for irc...
[23:00:16] <BigJohnT> it does for me!
[23:00:16] <chr0n1c> everything else in linux is using the dictionary and highlights misspelled words
[23:00:29] <K`zan_emc> Some examples in the gcode ref would really be helpful for the clueless like me :-(.
[23:00:29] <chr0n1c> what client BigJohnT?
[23:00:42] <BigJohnT> chatzilla
[23:00:48] <chr0n1c> ahhh... i'm using pidgin
[23:00:55] <K`zan_emc> Just set G41 (or 42) before you start cutting commands (G02)?
[23:01:04] <BigJohnT> no wait it is not working
[23:01:05] <chr0n1c> i'm about to get bitchx or something i miss the old school irc hardcore interface
[23:01:07] <toastydeath> k`zan:
[23:01:18] <toastydeath> sort of.
[23:01:29] <jepler> chr0n1c: irssi is a nice text-mode client these days, might give it a whirl
[23:01:37] <toastydeath> the move following the first g41/42 is the cutter comp entry
[23:01:58] <toastydeath> the machine will move the cutter gradually from the center of the tool, to the radius defined by cutter comp
[23:02:07] <toastydeath> you don't actually want to be cutting when you do this move.
[23:02:08] <K`zan_emc> Hummm
[23:02:12] <chr0n1c> http://www.cncci.com/products/ebooktcpoqr.htm <-- look at that page K`zan_emc
[23:02:20] <K`zan_emc> so the following is not quite the thing:
[23:02:24] <K`zan_emc> G42
[23:02:27] <K`zan_emc> G2 x0.752 y0.000 I-0.752 J0.000 (and cut the circle)
[23:02:30] <K`zan_emc> ?
[23:02:35] <toastydeath> g42 needs a D word
[23:02:39] <K`zan_emc> chr0n1c: Checking...
[23:02:51] <chr0n1c> oh sheesh they are sellign a
[23:02:55] <chr0n1c> don't look, lol
[23:02:58] <chr0n1c> bad link!
[23:03:20] <chr0n1c> http://www.ezcam.com/web/products/help/ezmill/machining_mill_2d/contouring_&_cutter_compensation.htm
[23:03:29] <chr0n1c> that's a better link with a few pics
[23:03:32] <chr0n1c> on how it works
[23:04:05] <chr0n1c> http://www.ezcam.com/web/products/help/ezmill/mill_machdlg_cycle_data/offset_direction_cycledb.htm
[23:04:18] <chr0n1c> a link from the page of the last link to zoom in on cutter comp example
[23:06:39] <chr0n1c> http://www.multicam.com/eng/Support/mgsamples.html <-- more examples
[23:07:17] <jepler> emc's cutter comp has some restrictions that make it tougher to use -- it completely forbids concave corners with cutter comp on--you have to round the corners yourself with arcs at least as big as the tool diameter. this is sometimes tolerable when hand-writing code, but I don't know of a cam package that will output compatible code
[23:07:17] <K`zan_emc> Ah, OK, confusing only moderately increasing :).
[23:07:26] <K`zan_emc> D number is the tool in question.
[23:07:33] <toastydeath> yep
[23:07:34] <chr0n1c> http://www.majosoft.com/engraving/html/lessons_-_how_to_work_with_g-c.html <- more examples
[23:07:56] <K`zan_emc> Sooo, I do a G42 D4 and then start the G02?
[23:08:09] <toastydeath> nah you have to arc in
[23:08:13] <toastydeath> makes it more complicated
[23:08:37] <jepler> emc2 specific documentation: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode_main.html#sub:G40,-G41,-G42: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode_main.html#sec:Cutter-Radius-Compensation
[23:09:30] <jepler> (see a complete runnable program -- if you have a matching tool -- down at section 9.4.3)
[23:09:32] <K`zan_emc> So, something like this:
[23:09:38] <K`zan_emc> G0 X1.090 Y-0.929
[23:09:41] <toastydeath> g02 g42 d1 x0 y1. j.5; g02 j-1.;
[23:09:41] <K`zan_emc> G42 D3
[23:10:12] <K`zan_emc> G0 Z -0.03125 (advance cutter 1/4 way into part)
[23:10:13] <K`zan_emc> G2 X1.090 Y-0.929 I-0.135 J0.000
[23:10:25] <toastydeath> g0 is rapid and will crash your machine.
[23:10:40] <K`zan_emc> ah, yes, that should be G01
[23:10:47] <toastydeath> G0 z.1;
[23:10:58] <toastydeath> g1 z-.03125 F10.;
[23:11:03] <toastydeath> or something.
[23:11:19] <toastydeath> and cutter comp doesn't work on Z moves
[23:11:28] <K`zan_emc> How often does one have to put in the F command, I thought it just needed to go in on setup?!?
[23:11:29] <toastydeath> you have to move it in X or Y
[23:11:41] <toastydeath> F is anytime you need to change feed rates of your cutting lines
[23:11:52] <K`zan_emc> That is what this is: G0 X1.090 Y-0.929
[23:12:07] <toastydeath> cutter comp isn't on at that point.
[23:12:18] <K`zan_emc> Positions the cutter to the start of the circle (shamelessly stolen from dxf2gcode).
[23:12:21] <toastydeath> nor should you be using a rapid move to enable cutter comp
[23:12:47] <K`zan_emc> toastydeath: I hate to keep pasting here, perhaps /join #vmmst?
[23:12:58] <toastydeath> done
[23:13:18] <BigJohnT> K`zan are you just trying to learn cutter comp or have a reason to use it?
[23:13:34] <toastydeath> he's got a reason to use it
[23:13:39] <BigJohnT> ok
[23:13:43] <toastydeath> the code he's got isn't making the hole he wants
[23:14:02] <chr0n1c> one F at the beginning is fine if you what everythign to go that speed
[23:14:39] <BigJohnT> if you subtract the tool diameter from the hole the path is simple or am I missing something?
[23:15:05] <toastydeath> the path isn't complicated but the basics of cutter comp for boring ID holes is
[23:15:09] <toastydeath> are, rather
[23:20:39] <K`zan_emc> BigJohnT: :-) what you are missing is my gross ignorance at this point :).
[23:26:43] <chr0n1c> writing g-code is a fine art, expect to practice a lot if you wanna be good
[23:28:09] <chr0n1c> most machinists in producction shops don't even see g-code, they use conversational or cam... or someone in the office writes the program for them
[23:37:44] <toastydeath> i dunno chr0n1c
[23:37:48] <toastydeath> all our guys use gcode
[23:37:53] <toastydeath> i've only had the chance to use mastercam once
[23:38:12] <toastydeath> i feel like i'm getting good foundations but i'm afraid i won't have the skills other people want
[23:42:14] <chr0n1c> just make it up as you go.. that's like 80% of die building anyways...
[23:42:37] <toastydeath> hahaha
[23:42:58] <chr0n1c> no really... blueprints are nice
[23:57:30] <toastydeath> i always have to sketch out the operations
[23:57:35] <toastydeath> to find the points i want to go to
[23:57:41] <toastydeath> i can't hold a bunch of numbers in my head like some dudes can