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[03:37:05] <fenn> Twingy: look at debian/shlibs.pre or shlibs.local for fixing your library version number issue. you would have a line like: libatk-1.0 0 libatk1.0-0
[03:37:25] <Twingy> hrm
[03:38:12] <Twingy> I figured I would just wait until hardy heron version of EMC live cd is out
[03:45:56] <RC3> RC3 is now known as rccubed
[03:48:46] <rccubed> Has anyone had trouble with the install CD?
[03:50:03] <cradek> try describing your problem and maybe someone can help
[03:51:09] <rccubed> Well, I could'n
[03:51:49] <rccubed> I couldn't find emc any where on it.
[03:52:17] <cradek> are you asking how to start emc after installing from the emc-ubuntu live cd?
[03:52:31] <rccubed> I'm new to this IRC so please bare with me.
[03:53:00] <rccubed> Yes that woul help.
[03:53:04] <cradek> that's ok, but I'm trying to guess your question
[03:53:19] <cradek> it's under applications / cnc on the menu
[03:53:53] <rccubed> What if it doesn't show up?
[03:54:14] <cradek> you should get a chooser that lets you pick a configuration. do you get that?
[03:54:47] <rccubed> No. Sir.
[03:55:10] <cradek> hmm, that's odd
[03:55:30] <cradek> open up a terminal and run emc at the command line
[03:55:32] <tomp> do you get Applications | CNC on the ubuntu menu bar? (top left of your screen )
[03:55:49] <tomp> follow cradek's question
[03:56:09] <rccubed> I'm trying to load it on a laptop if that makes a diffeence.
[03:57:07] <rccubed> No, I didn't get any thing about emc at all.
[03:57:07] <cradek> which thing on the menu did you run? there are several
[03:57:12] <SWPadnos> ok, step 1: do you get to a graphical desktop?
[03:57:18] <cradek> brb
[03:57:22] <rccubed> Yes
[03:57:37] <SWPadnos> ok, from there, is the "Applications" menu available?
[03:57:38] <rccubed> I'm useing it now.
[03:57:40] <SWPadnos> ok :)
[03:57:52] <fenn> are you using an emc CD, not just a generic Ubuntu CD?
[03:58:09] <SWPadnos> yep - that was the next questin - where did you get the CD?
[03:58:18] <rccubed> I ownloaed it fom the emc website
[03:58:27] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[03:58:47] <rccubed> My d dont work all the time.
[03:58:53] <tomp> back to the menu, do you get Applications | EMC on your menu?
[03:58:54] <SWPadnos> from linuxcnc.org ?
[03:59:15] <jmkasunich> on the menu, go to "Applications->Accessories->Terminal"
[03:59:17] <rccubed> Yes Linuxcnc.org
[03:59:19] <jmkasunich> that should pop up a window
[03:59:34] <rccubed> EMC is not on the menue
[03:59:39] <jmkasunich> in that window, type "uname -r" (don't type the quotes)
[03:59:55] <jmkasunich> then copy what you see in the window and paste it here so we can see it
[04:00:08] <rccubed> Ok
[04:01:24] <rccubed> I downloaded the install script and tried to run it an got the following.
[04:01:25] <SWPadnos> (which you can do by selecting the text with the mouse, then middle-click in the edit area of the IRC client)
[04:01:40] <jmkasunich> rccubed: if you want us to help you, please do what we ask
[04:01:45] <tomp> what does 'uname -r' report?
[04:02:00] <rccubed> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[04:02:00] <rccubed> emc2: Depends: python (< 2.5) but 2.5.1-1ubuntu2 is to be installed
[04:02:00] <rccubed> Depends: python (< 2.5) but 2.5.1-1ubuntu2 is to be installed
[04:02:01] <rccubed> E: Broken packages
[04:02:16] <jmkasunich> rccubed: please stop a second and listen
[04:02:30] <jmkasunich> and just answer our questions, don't go off in other directions
[04:02:43] <rccubed> I am trying I'm a real slow typer
[04:02:59] <jmkasunich> if you installed the CD from the website, you should NOT need to use the install script
[04:03:18] <jmkasunich> EMC is already on the disk, and running the install script is more likely to confuse things than to help
[04:03:32] <jmkasunich> so, please do this:
[04:03:35] <rccubed> I know, but nothing about emc showe up
[04:03:45] <jmkasunich> OK, we get that
[04:03:49] <jmkasunich> we are trying to help
[04:03:55] <jmkasunich> but we can't do that without information
[04:04:03] <jmkasunich> so I'm trying to get information from you
[04:04:08] <rccubed> ok
[04:04:10] <jmkasunich> please just do this:
[04:04:14] <rccubed> ok
[04:04:22] <jmkasunich> Applications->Accessories->Terminal
[04:04:28] <jmkasunich> tell me when that is opened
[04:04:46] <rccubed> there.
[04:05:00] <jmkasunich> ok, type "uname -r" without the quotes
[04:05:03] <jmkasunich> then hit enter
[04:05:10] <jmkasunich> what does it say?
[04:05:41] <rccubed> 2.6.22-14-generic
[04:05:49] <jmkasunich> thats not our CD
[04:05:51] <SWPadnos> sounds like Feisty
[04:06:03] <rccubed> ok
[04:06:13] <jmkasunich> here's what I get when I do that:
[04:06:14] <jmkasunich> jmkasunich@shoptask:~$ uname -r
[04:06:15] <jmkasunich> 2.6.15-magma
[04:06:33] <jmkasunich> 2.6.15-magma means it is our CD
[04:06:38] <rccubed> how did I get this?
[04:06:42] <SWPadnos> it's likely that something went wrong after you downloaded it - like selecting the wrong CD image to burn, or choosing the wrong unlabeled CD :)
[04:06:43] <jmkasunich> I don't know
[04:07:01] <dave_1> if you boot from the CD it should lead you thru the whole install process including ubuntu and emc
[04:07:05] <SWPadnos> I almost always have a half dozen unknowns sitting around my desk - it happens
[04:07:13] <jmkasunich> dave_1: his problem is that he has the wrong CD
[04:07:18] <SWPadnos> dave_1, that's only true if it's the liveCD
[04:07:24] <rccubed> I went staight from the burn to the laptop
[04:07:28] <dave_1> OK
[04:07:42] <SWPadnos> rccubed, probably just a silly mistake - they happen
[04:07:50] <tomp> rccubed: dont worry, it's wrong, but you can get it right now :0
[04:07:51] <dave_1> the live is an awful easy way to go
[04:07:59] <SWPadnos> are you installing to the hard disk or trying it out without installing?
[04:08:20] <rccubed> Yes but it allways happens to me =)
[04:08:30] <SWPadnos> heh
[04:08:58] <rccubed> Yes I went to the hard drive.
[04:09:15] <tomp> can you tell us the name of the file you burned?
[04:09:40] <SWPadnos> unfortunately, we don't have any released EMC2 packages for the version of Ubuntu that you have
[04:09:42] <rccubed> yes hang on.
[04:13:57] <rccubed> This may take a while.
[04:14:19] <SWPadnos> heh
[04:14:31] <dave_1> may be almost as easy to download a known good version
[04:14:39] <SWPadnos> that's needed anyway
[04:14:56] <dave_1> will his laptop handle emc?
[04:15:18] <SWPadnos> probably not for running a machine, but it's OK for experimentation and familiarization
[04:15:37] <dave_1> sim would do that
[04:15:43] <tomp> yeh, rccubed , dont sweat the file name, if you want to see emc, you got other work to do
[04:15:45] <SWPadnos> true
[04:16:14] <dave_1> live would seem to be a good way to go because you can test before you install
[04:16:46] <tomp> rccubed: and dont worry about the bad install, at least we know you have some room available for the real emc now :)
[04:19:26] <rccubed> ok what do I need to o
[04:19:35] <rccubed> do?
[04:19:46] <tomp> getting you an url now...
[04:19:49] <SWPadnos> do you expect to run an actual machine with this laptop?
[04:20:06] <rccubed> At some point
[04:20:26] <SWPadnos> ok. that is unlikely to work well - laptops are often trouble
[04:20:32] <rccubed> nothing fancy
[04:20:47] <rccubed> ok I may not
[04:21:06] <SWPadnos> see here:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Hardware_Requirements
[04:21:09] <dave_1> non-laptops with p3 at 600 MHz will get one started
[04:21:15] <SWPadnos> under "problematic hardware" ... :)
[04:21:37] <rccubed> OK that is my prob!
[04:21:50] <tomp> read here a bit
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2 then go here for the cd image
http://www.linuxcnc.org/iso/emc2.2.2-1-ubuntu6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[04:21:58] <rccubed> man I feel stupi right now!!
[04:22:11] <SWPadnos> no, that's not your problem (and I don't think you're stupid)
[04:22:12] <dave_1> everyone has to start somewhere
[04:22:19] <tomp> with that you can use the 'live' cd and install to hd IF you like to later
[04:22:40] <rccubed> ok Thanks guys!!
[04:22:57] <tomp> c'mon back when you like
[04:22:59] <dave_1> just label the cd after you burn it
[04:23:00] <SWPadnos> enjoy. hopefully you've got cable or DSL so you can get the new image in a hurry :)
[04:23:06] <dave_1> memory is a nasty thing
[04:23:40] <dave_1> wander back when you need ideas or help
[04:23:57] <rccubed> I have broadband
[04:24:10] <dave_1> an hour maybe??
[04:24:10] <SWPadnos> that will help a lot :)
[04:24:17] <tomp> improve your memory with vitamin b ( i'm drinking a Singha right now :)
[04:24:35] <SWPadnos> 2mbit DSL is ~1 hour
[04:24:36] <rccubed> he he
[04:24:40] <dave_1> oh, doesn't vodka do it???
[04:24:45] <SWPadnos> cable should be closer to 20 minutes
[04:24:51] <tomp> dunno, lemme try
[04:24:54] <SWPadnos> B is for Bailey's
[04:25:31] <klickrr> if vodka did that i'd be rainman
[04:25:48] <rccubed> Thanks again guys. I'll try this again.
[04:25:57] <dave_1> downloads for me tend to start out at a predicted 10 min and then it slides rapidly outward
[04:25:59] <SWPadnos> good luck with it
[04:26:08] <tomp> np. glad you're interested
[04:27:12] <SWPadnos> heh
[04:28:29] <dave_1> made some real progress today.
[04:28:38] <tomp> ?
[04:29:11] <dave_1> I've been fighting the problem of getting a zero offset cam from synergy so I could apply my own offsets either plus or minus
[04:29:30] <dave_1> Bob sent me a procedure to do that and I finally got it to work
[04:29:49] <dave_1> so now I can profile something and then do a hole for it to fit into
[04:30:09] <tomp> punch/die like?
[04:30:26] <dave_1> think lockplates for muzzleloaders ... I'm a lousy woodworker
[04:30:51] <tomp> not familiar, but sounds like core/cavity sorta
[04:31:18] <dave_1> yeh, kinda just not a precise since the die is wood
[04:31:32] <dave_1> and the punch is the lockplate
[04:31:45] <dave_1> hafta post a picture sometime along the way
[04:31:58] <tomp> are you suing emc2 mostly for gunsmithing?
[04:32:01] <tomp> using
[04:32:16] <dave_1> and to build parts for emc machines
[04:32:50] <dave_1> I need to get the Cinncinati ram mill up and running again and then work on the lathe
[04:33:00] <tomp> gun stuff is often small, how fast is your spindle?
[04:33:08] <dave_1> 4k
[04:33:45] <dave_1> it is hard to max out a 1/8" carbide
[04:34:22] <dave_1> but works OK for 1/2"
[04:35:26] <dave_1> The breechblocks for CW and post_CW are decent in size ... 1 x 1 x 2 or so
[04:35:46] <dave_1> 8620 still machines like butter.
[04:36:02] <dave_1> P20 is almost easier
[04:36:27] <tomp> are you using a mazak for these projects? ( yeah I like P20 for mold inserts )
[04:36:51] <dave_1> mazak for everything except a few manual holes, etc.
[04:37:14] <tomp> so a pretty big machine for those parts, but real solid
[04:37:26] <dave_1> exactly
[04:37:46] <dave_1> I really don't need the work volume but the stiffness is just fine
[04:38:46] <dave_1> the cinncinati is not stiff enough to handle carbide at 1/2"
[04:38:54] <tomp> is the cinci a c frame? is the spindle on end of a sliding 'ram' (like bridgeport)
[04:39:21] <dave_1> very much like a BP but has a slighly stiffer spindle mount
[04:40:07] <tomp> what happens with 1/2" carbide?
[04:40:17] <dave_1> 5600 top rpm
[04:40:38] <dave_1> it is just too loose ... tears up the carbide.
[04:40:53] <tomp> ok, carbide cant stand anf chatter, right
[04:40:56] <dave_1> 3 thou + backlash
[04:40:57] <tomp> any
[04:41:35] <dave_1> it does OK on 1/2" HSS rougher in conventional cut ... but can't handle climb cutting
[04:42:05] <tomp> yeh, starts to wander around the shop floor :)
[04:42:24] <dave_1> handles 1/4 " OK
[04:42:43] <tomp> any ideas on a video question?
[04:42:44] <tomp> some video chipsets allow flipping the screen, but i'd like to mirror? it so i could watch the image off a 45degree pane of glass. do any chipsets give you that kind of 'flip'?
[04:43:45] <dave_1> well that is a simple transform but to do it for the image and not for the rest of th screen might be tough
[04:43:57] <SWPadnos> no, I bet that's not very well supported
[04:44:16] <dave_1> the chip set probably has the internals but getting at them is unlikely
[04:44:42] <SWPadnos> not in the 2D section - the 3D engines could certainly do it
[04:45:12] <dave_1> certainly if you can get at the chip
[04:45:19] <tomp> i see lots of games (Dave & Buster -esque) and terminals at the Hartford CT library use the technique
[04:45:26] <tomp> and teleprompters
[04:46:45] <tomp> uh, brain fart, i think there is no transform...
[04:47:10] <dave_1> IOW - I'm sure it can be done; finding someone and the $$ to do it might be a different story
[04:48:23] <SWPadnos> controllers that are meant to drive LCDs almost always allow X and Y mirroring
[04:48:39] <SWPadnos> controllers for CRTs usually don't
[04:49:13] <dave_1> so it might be switch with the right controller
[04:49:17] <SWPadnos> you can scroll through a large framebuffer by updating a single offset register, and that can go in either direction - so for arcade games you don't need mirroring
[04:49:56] <SWPadnos> I know some old terminals did that - used half the screen for each of two people sitting facing each other (12 lines each :) )
[04:50:14] <tomp> just checked by putting a pda up to a window... it is flipped left to right AND top to bottom
[04:50:48] <tomp> i thought that some tablets did this so they could be put under a simple prismatic projector
[04:51:08] <SWPadnos> LR and TB flip == 180 degree rotation
[04:52:37] <tomp> i thing not, the letter F on the pda appears as well, fingers of f are to left and single leg is at top
[04:53:13] <tomp> you're right, if i rot that 180, its ok
[04:53:17] <SWPadnos> I think so - if you consider where points end up
[04:53:19] <SWPadnos> right :)
[04:53:32] <tomp> i had to sketch it :-[
[04:53:34] <SWPadnos> * SWPadnos has dealt with directly driving LCD controllers before :)
[04:54:00] <tomp> if one did, it's make a HUD easy
[04:54:07] <tomp> it'd
[04:55:39] <SWPadnos> that's why they let you do individual flips
[04:55:46] <dave_1> you have a hot application?
[04:55:59] <tomp> an idea ( as usual :)
[04:57:36] <tomp> cool, i thought intel had some "rotate the desktop 90 degrees counterclockwise. Other valid options are 0, 90, 180 and 270 degrees"
[04:57:53] <tomp> http://intellinuxgraphics.org/man.html
[04:58:40] <tomp> i810 is an Xorg driver for Intel integrated graphics chipsets
[04:59:07] <SWPadnos> you wouldn't believe how slow that is on my nvidia 7800GT
[04:59:25] <SWPadnos> I have monitors that can pivot, so I tried 2x1200x1920 - bad mistake
[04:59:38] <tomp> and i got i810 on something here... i think an hp laptop
[05:02:31] <fenn> can't you just use compiz or something?
[05:03:02] <dave_1> have fun ... I've to bail and get things ready for a jaunt to Seattle area tomorrow
[05:03:11] <tomp> i just want a heads up desktop, & thought the chipset might do it invisibly
[05:03:20] <tomp> g'nite Dave
[05:03:44] <dave_1> see ya
[05:03:44] <tomp> (tomp looks up compiz)
[05:04:00] <fenn> opengl Jellovision
[05:04:30] <tomp> beryl - esque
[05:04:43] <fenn> yes same thing, beryl + compiz = compiz fusion
[05:06:28] <tomp> i think if i rotate the screen 180, then i can really read it, but if i look at it bounced off a 45degree pane of glass, then it's legible again ( like my car's front window at night :-)
[05:06:43] <tomp> cant really read it
[05:07:01] <fenn> right, mirroring is not the same as rotation
[05:07:09] <fenn> but you can mirror with opengl
[05:07:24] <fenn> (there is even a mirror plugin for compiz)
[05:07:36] <tomp> hmm, thx!
[05:14:22] <tomp> compiz rotate plugin Freewins '
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGcJTSBLG8c"
[05:16:24] <tomp> code link on this page
http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.ars/2008/01/30/experimental-compiz-plugin-allows-window-tilting-rotation
[05:16:43] <SkinnypuppY34> catchy. I messed with compiz on gutsy till I got bored with it
[05:16:47] <SWPadnos> heh - like I said, the 3D hardware can do that easy :)
[05:28:24] <tomp> must be time, i'm squinting again... g'nite
[05:28:32] <SWPadnos> night-o
[12:03:03] <BigJohnT> what are you guys using to view .mov movies in ubuntu?
[12:20:14] <alex_joni> the fiew I watched where with w32codecs and mplayer iirc
[12:20:50] <alex_joni> (others report they use libquicktime, installed with apt)
[12:27:15] <BigJohnT> thanks and good morning
[12:28:29] <BigJohnT> I have Totem and it complains that it doesn't have the decoder...
[12:47:15] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: totem was pretty useless in all my tests
[12:47:34] <alex_joni> but maybe it will work after installing libquicktime
[12:49:59] <BigJohnT> it's been useless to me too
[12:49:59] <BigJohnT> what is libquicktime?
[12:51:46] <alex_joni> probably a lib to play quicktime files ?
[12:51:56] <alex_joni> .mov is quicktime video afaik
[12:52:18] <alex_joni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QuickTime
[12:52:58] <alex_joni> acemi: nice work on the scara.. what motors are those?
[12:53:08] <BigJohnT> yes it is quicktime
[12:53:31] <acemi> alex_joni: panasonic minas a4
[12:53:32] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: sudo apt-get install libquicktime ?
[12:53:34] <BigJohnT> internet grinds to a halt when I'm uploading machine porn to youtube
[12:53:42] <alex_joni> acemi: stepper or servo?
[12:53:47] <acemi> servo
[12:53:54] <alex_joni> the drives sure look *smart*
[12:54:01] <alex_joni> how do you command movement?
[12:54:15] <alex_joni> digital serial link? analog? step/dir?
[12:54:18] <acemi> with step+dir signal
[12:54:27] <alex_joni> ok, cool
[12:54:28] <BigJohnT> acemi: did you use the panasonic drives too
[12:54:48] <acemi> BigJohnT: for this project, yes
[12:54:50] <alex_joni> I notice you have 3 vids there.. but only one linked from the wiki
[12:55:05] <alex_joni> (maybe it's 2 vids)
[12:55:31] <BigJohnT> I have a project on GO that will use panasonic servos with panasonic step/direction drives
[12:55:33] <acemi> alex_joni: I don't like a lot with the other two video
[12:55:51] <alex_joni> acemi: ok
[12:56:00] <alex_joni> I see a LOT of nice stuff you have done with emc2 :)
[12:56:03] <alex_joni> congrats
[12:56:10] <acemi> thanks :)
[12:56:30] <alex_joni> what is a "button" machine?
[12:57:40] <acemi> it produces the buttons for textils
[12:59:08] <alex_joni> acemi: like this?
http://www.roadsidescholar.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/07/il_430xn9087749.jpg
[12:59:12] <acemi> normally it's a classic machine, it hasn't a programming capability
[12:59:38] <BigJohnT> an injection molder?
[12:59:39] <acemi> alex_joni: yes
[13:01:09] <acemi> it has multiple stations which do turning and freezing
[13:01:34] <alex_joni> acemi: very nice
[13:01:39] <acemi> we integrated a cnc head for one of it's station
[13:01:41] <alex_joni> do you build these machines from scratch?
[13:01:46] <acemi> no
[13:01:52] <alex_joni> or do you retrofit older machines?
[13:01:55] <acemi> we adapt a cnc head
[13:02:09] <alex_joni> not only the "button" machine..
[13:02:24] <alex_joni> also the others (wire-forming, the one moving wood, scara, etc)
[13:04:01] <acemi> wire forming machine was built from scratch
[13:04:31] <alex_joni> that one looks especially nice :)
[13:04:33] <acemi> for scara, we use a second hand scara machine
[13:04:51] <alex_joni> what's the app?
[13:04:55] <alex_joni> pick & place?
[13:05:04] <acemi> we changed all of its servo, control panel etc. we only use its mechanical part
[13:05:22] <BigJohnT> I can't google at the moment to look it up but what is scara?
[13:05:33] <alex_joni> BigJohnT: try out the scara config in emc2
[13:05:35] <alex_joni> you'll see
[13:05:42] <acemi> it'll be used for pick&place application
[13:05:45] <alex_joni> it's an articulated robot (RRTR)
[13:05:50] <alex_joni> bbl.. lunch
[13:06:08] <BigJohnT> ok
[13:06:29] <BigJohnT> cool
[13:08:30] <BigJohnT> so you have +- 180 degree for each part of the arm or the limits of your scara?
[13:15:25] <acemi> BigJohnT: for our scara, +-90 degrees for the first arm and +- 120 degrees for the second arm
[13:17:28] <BigJohnT> cool, what kind of mechanical connection does it use from the motor to the arm to transmit motion?
[13:18:39] <acemi> BigJohnT: I don't know how to say in english. we say the planet reductor
[13:19:00] <BigJohnT> I understand
[13:19:35] <BigJohnT> I'd like to build a small one to test with
[13:23:32] <BigJohnT> on your wire forming machine are you threading both ends?
[13:24:18] <acemi> there is no threading. it's smoothing
[13:25:34] <acemi> chamfering
[13:25:58] <BigJohnT> ok, watching the video now but couldn't tell
[13:26:20] <BigJohnT> ok
[13:26:20] <BigJohnT> acemi what is the finished part it makes?
[13:27:39] <acemi> it's a brush handle
[13:27:48] <alex_joni> for paint roller
[13:27:52] <acemi> yes
[13:28:27] <alex_joni> acemi: it only bends in one plane?
[13:28:28] <BigJohnT> cool
[13:28:35] <alex_joni> or can you rotate the wire after the first bend?
[13:29:59] <BigJohnT> ok, I see the bender now... dial up line here
[13:30:41] <acemi> alex_joni: no
[13:30:59] <alex_joni> acemi: ok, still very nice
[13:31:03] <alex_joni> gotta run for a while
[13:32:07] <BigJohnT> ok
[13:32:31] <BigJohnT> acemi: for this machine there is no need to rotate correct?
[13:32:41] <acemi> yes
[13:33:09] <BigJohnT> acemi: very nice machine
[13:33:14] <acemi> thanks
[13:48:35] <DanielFalck> BigJohnT: good morning
[14:10:34] <BigJohnT> DanielFalck: good morning
[14:11:00] <DanielFalck> how are things? I see you've been busy
[14:13:01] <BigJohnT> good, we just got 3 more machines piled on top of the 3 we are building now and one rebuild so the shop is real busy
[14:13:25] <BigJohnT> I'm glad I have most of the design work done
[14:13:49] <BigJohnT> did you see the Arc Buddy
[14:14:00] <DanielFalck> yes I did. That looks nice
[14:15:02] <BigJohnT> thanks
[14:15:25] <BigJohnT> I'm writing a couple of tutorials for it now
[14:15:49] <BigJohnT> what have you been up to?
[14:16:10] <DanielFalck> a lot of drafting at work and learning a lot about postscript at home
[14:16:29] <DanielFalck> right now I'm learning about icons for programs
[14:16:52] <DanielFalck> trying to help Brent (crochetyGuy in #cam) out with his program
[14:16:56] <DanielFalck> with icons
[14:17:03] <BigJohnT> cool
[14:17:20] <DanielFalck> screwing around with software is addictive
[14:17:27] <BigJohnT> how to use them or make them?
[14:17:35] <DanielFalck> make them
[14:17:59] <DanielFalck> I can hack out some crude ones with gimp, but I'm also using my cad program to help
[14:18:12] <DanielFalck> I am more comfortable using cad then converting
[14:18:35] <BigJohnT> cool can you make some icons for the g code generators?
[14:18:42] <DanielFalck> I'll try
[14:19:55] <BigJohnT> only if you have time
[14:20:00] <DanielFalck> I found that it's easy to include an icon in a button in pygtk
[14:20:57] <BigJohnT> cool
[14:21:10] <DanielFalck> so last night I did a little man smashing his computer with a hammer (very crude) for the button and showed it to my kids. They were rolling on the floor laughing : )
[14:21:25] <tomp> i think ubuntu can render svg icons on desktop. this means a large drawing still looks pretty good when small. and if your app can render svg , then you get same advantage
http://freshmeat.net/projects/svg-icons/?branch_id=34620&release_id=107193
[14:21:28] <DanielFalck> just screwing aroung
[14:21:40] <DanielFalck> thanks tom
[14:34:09] <BigJohnT> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3o84BzF90JM
[14:37:53] <tomp> looks nice, moves smooth
[14:40:19] <tomp> how much tension on the belt? spring on 1 end or nailed down?
[14:40:31] <DanielFalck> nice BigJohnT
[14:50:27] <BigJohnT> tomp: it's adjustable on both ends to tension, set by ear
[14:50:36] <BigJohnT> thanks DanielFalck
[14:51:06] <tomp> 'by ear' interesting, i figgered it'd be deflection at longest span
[14:51:12] <BigJohnT> hind sight being 20-20 I would have used the bigger white belt on both axis
[14:51:35] <BigJohnT> I thump it and listen for a nice note...
[14:51:49] <tomp> ah, guitar tuning :)
[14:51:55] <BigJohnT> yes
[14:54:10] <BigJohnT> If anyone has a chance to read the tutorials here
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Simple_EMC_G-Code_Generators for arcs and let me know if they make sense
[14:57:02] <tomp> well i was wondering about the start angle end angle idea. i understand it, but most users will have 'i'm here' and the end is at XY, and no idea of angles.
[14:57:37] <tomp> and would have to trig the angles
[14:57:49] <BigJohnT> like a start and end position
[14:58:29] <BigJohnT> with start and end and direction you have two possible solutions
[14:58:31] <micges> hello all
[14:59:25] <BigJohnT> hi
[14:59:57] <tomp> yes, the long way vs the short way, the big bend vs the small bend, but that applies to xy position and to angles
[15:00:09] <tomp> both
[15:00:27] <tomp> i was just wondering
[15:01:03] <tomp> btw the odt are very nice looking
[15:01:17] <BigJohnT> seemed intutive to me if you know the center and the diameter and can look at the picture that someone could use it
[15:01:25] <BigJohnT> tomp: odt?
[15:01:56] <tomp> you used open office files for the advanced description, extent is .odt
[15:02:15] <tomp> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/Arc%20Buddy.odt
[15:02:49] <BigJohnT> ok didn't ring a bell as I'm new to open office files
[15:03:08] <tomp> you did good :-) esp if new to 'em
[15:03:14] <BigJohnT> I figured that everyone would have open office if they had linux
[15:03:28] <BigJohnT> thanks, I have a few more pages to add to the second one
[15:04:12] <BigJohnT> kinda aimed at a user that is not familar with cad/cam programs but want to make a part
[15:04:39] <tomp> you may get some ideas from cp1
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Cp1
[15:05:32] <BigJohnT> didn't even know that it is there?
[15:05:36] <tomp> one frame work loads different gcode generators, creates code, copies to anothe window which is a concatenation that becomes the whole pgm
[15:06:05] <tomp> and you can hand hack some stuff, it really wants your newer pythin work tho
[15:06:13] <tomp> python
[15:06:13] <BigJohnT> cool I need to add a link from the simple g code generators page
[15:06:34] <BigJohnT> sweet!
[15:07:38] <tomp> i mangled it a few years back to get me some heidenhain output, of course emc wont run it, but shows its pretty flexible, kudos to Jon Elson
[15:08:21] <BigJohnT> I've added
[15:08:35] <BigJohnT> I need to check it out after while
[15:12:45] <BigJohnT> bbl going to make some parts for my Z axis
[20:08:55] <BigJohnT> machining the last part to make the Z go up and down YEA!
[20:27:15] <BigJohnT> since no one is looking I might as well confess to breaking a brand new 3/4" end mill and tramming the head in record time....
[20:28:00] <OoBIGeye> okay, you are starting to get the hang of tramming :)
[20:28:07] <cradek> BigJohnT: I've got some dull ones you can break next time - just ask
[20:28:22] <BigJohnT> I have more experiance than I care to
[20:28:43] <BigJohnT> thanks chris but l like breaking new expensive ones
[20:28:57] <cradek> ok, I understand
[20:29:06] <BigJohnT> just when you thought every one was away from the computer
[20:29:48] <BigJohnT> Dallur needs the old ones for ballast on his sail boat
[20:32:43] <jmkasunich> carbide makes good ballast
[20:32:48] <BigJohnT> OoBIGeye: I had it trammed in less than 10 minutes to a couple of tenths
[20:33:34] <BigJohnT> I hate breaking the carbide ones the cost a lot for the good ones...
[20:33:46] <BigJohnT> they
[20:34:14] <BigJohnT> 2 more passes on the "nut" and I'm done
[20:34:51] <OoBIGeye> are you machining aluminium?
[20:35:04] <BigJohnT> have you tried the end mills from Lakeshore Carbide? they seem to be the best I can find and price is good too
[20:35:31] <BigJohnT> I was then now I'm doing some bronze
[20:36:41] <OoBIGeye> no i'm from sweden so... i've never heard of lakeshore... sorry...
[20:36:53] <BigJohnT> it's in the USA
[20:36:55] <OoBIGeye> i never use solid mills exept for alu...
[20:37:26] <BigJohnT> for anything bigger than 3/4 I use inserts but for the small stuff solid carbide
[20:38:16] <BigJohnT> lakeshore puts a radius on the tip instead of a champhor so it lasts a lot longer than other variable helix end mills
[20:40:49] <BigJohnT> I took the boat from Denmark to Sweden once but it was closed as it was sunday
[20:41:16] <BigJohnT> I was in Copenhagen
[20:42:06] <BigJohnT> don't remember the city but it was nice
[20:44:04] <OoBIGeye> malmö maby
[20:44:41] <OoBIGeye> i use inserts for anything above 12mm, what's that like 1/2"...
[20:49:44] <BigJohnT> sounds like the name.
[20:49:51] <JymmmEMC> 25.mm = 1.0in
[20:49:56] <JymmmEMC> 25.4mm = 1.0in
[20:49:58] <BigJohnT> I love it when a plan comes together
[20:50:01] <BigJohnT> .03937
[20:50:14] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT is out of here
[20:50:21] <BigJohnT> talk to you later
[21:38:24] <alex_joni> http://bash.org/?104383
[21:41:51] <OoBIGeye> alex_joni: nice :)
[21:44:13] <micges> lol
[21:46:05] <alex_joni> that was moderate funny.. this is the real funny part:
http://icanhascheezburger.com/2007/02/09/i-put-on-my-robe-and-wizard-hat/
[21:54:03] <owhite> hey folks. I know most people probably wont find this particularly interesting but I made some documentation on electronics linking between a M5i20 and my laser, plus some pyvcp suggestions. see:
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?M5i20_Laser
[21:54:24] <owhite> just an FYI.
[21:54:57] <JymmmEMC> owhite: did you buy the laser?
[21:55:06] <owhite> yep. On ebay.
[21:55:14] <owhite> its nice. Cuts metal.
[21:55:15] <JymmmEMC> owhite: how much?
[21:55:26] <owhite> hang on...
[21:55:35] <JymmmEMC> owhite: did it include the PS?
[21:55:57] <owhite> discussion of costs is on:
http://www.nilno.com/laser_intro/faq.html
[21:56:11] <owhite> power supply came with the laser, purchase of the laser was $6500
[21:56:30] <JymmmEMC> owhite: ebay url?
[21:56:34] <JymmmEMC> if they have more
[21:57:04] <owhite> no chance. I followed laser prices on ebay for 3 years before it showed up. Have never seen a deal like that come again.
[21:57:09] <JymmmEMC> owhite: oh, not a self-contianed laser, needed a chiller too?
[21:57:18] <owhite> yeah. bought that separate.
[21:57:32] <owhite> its like the size of a washing machine. sits next to my washing machine. :-)
[21:57:55] <awallin> owhite: it's always a good idea to document stuff. I think the manuals have (or should have) some kind of case-study section too. I'm glad someone uses pyVCP for real (I haven't had time to get it going really yet...)
[21:58:31] <JymmmEMC> owhite: luckt bastard =)
[21:58:33] <JymmmEMC> lucky
[21:59:11] <owhite> thanks. I think of it as a case-study too. Kind of a "this is how a guy that has elementary level understanding of EMC2 that created a solution like such and such".
[21:59:31] <owhite> might not be how the experts would do it, but it is fairly workable.
[21:59:47] <owhite> JymmEMC: I feel very lucky indeed.
[22:00:22] <JymmmEMC> owhite: I *REALLY* want a laser, that's how I got started in all this in the first place. But I couldn't see $15,000 for a 40W CO2 that only does 18" x 12"
[22:00:58] <owhite> yeah dont pay that much for $15,000 for 40W. depends on what you want to cut.
[22:01:16] <JymmmEMC> owhite: You said three years. What had you been searching for on ebay?
[22:01:34] <JymmmEMC> owhite: I'm assuming you had notices sent to you
[22:02:16] <owhite> JymmmEMC: no I just kept checking. Usually just searched on "CO2 laser" .
[22:02:27] <JymmmEMC> owhite: ok, gotcha.
[22:02:50] <JymmmEMC> owhite: I want a 150W+ but for cutting/carving plastics/wood
[22:03:11] <owhite> well those definitely are on ebay.
[22:03:29] <JymmmEMC> owhite: what travel is your machine?
[22:04:17] <owhite> 18 x 18 inch.
[22:04:34] <JymmmEMC> owhite: I *HOPE* now that you'll be expanding that soon
[22:05:04] <awallin> does the laser head travel with the carriage, or is it fixed and only a mirror+focusing lens moves?
[22:05:25] <owhite> nah. I cut stainless steel and after 3 or so years of cutting I really havent wanted to get much larger than that format.
[22:05:46] <JymmmEMC> awallin: must lasers bonce the beam around the table, and the laser is stationary.
[22:05:49] <JymmmEMC> most
[22:05:58] <owhite> awallin: laser is stationary, table moves underneath. see
http://www.nilno.com/laser_intro/system.html
[22:06:28] <owhite> I dont use flying optics. beam is stationary and the table moves
[22:06:41] <JymmmEMC> owhite: Then why the high cost of the optics?
[22:06:45] <awallin> ah. I've seen a commercial one which had the laser under the table and some mirrors to bounce the beam
[22:06:59] <JymmmEMC> awallin: that's mostly what I've seen too
[22:07:11] <owhite> JmmmEMC you need to beam benders, cut quality enhancers and a cutting head. that's a lot of cheesecake.
[22:07:45] <JymmmEMC> owhite: Sure, but $2500 worth? I can see $1000 worth .
[22:08:03] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: a cutting head is way more than 2k5$
[22:08:24] <owhite> yah and you give purchasing a cut quality enhancer some time.
[22:08:24] <alex_joni> and that's only the head
[22:08:27] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: maybe in romania
[22:08:44] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: nope.. over here it's way more in EUR :P
[22:08:49] <archivist> or find one in a scrap yard
[22:08:56] <alex_joni> just call Trumpf and get a quotation
[22:08:58] <owhite> fortunately my cutting head was used but I'm sure it'd be at least $2500 if I got it new.
[22:09:11] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: oh go buy Dracula's Castle... it's for sale (really)
[22:09:45] <owhite> I'm considering purchase of a new cutting head, One with CNC height adjust.
[22:09:46] <alex_joni> that's a bit more than a cutting head :P
[22:09:59] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: No shit, huh.
[22:10:12] <owhite> hey guys, I got a question -- anyone do distance measurement with .01mm accuracy?
[22:10:18] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: That want an arm and a leg for it... and it dont even look that cool either.
[22:10:30] <owhite> aw heck I'd settle for 0.1m accuracy.
[22:10:32] <JymmmEMC> owhite: like Z axis?
[22:10:39] <owhite> yes, Z.
[22:11:01] <awallin> owhite: digital caliper/micrometer?
[22:11:06] <JymmmEMC> owhite: Sorta kinda, but I dont know the detials behind it - I R 2 stupid
[22:11:19] <owhite> oh. sorry, its would have to be non-contact.
[22:11:28] <JymmmEMC> owhite: light refraction.... down to the micron level
[22:11:41] <owhite> that'd work.
[22:12:00] <skunkworks> robinmumble talks about torch hight control - you would have to ask..
[22:12:08] <JymmmEMC> owhite: And the sad thing... it used a TI assing machine to do the measurement too
[22:12:11] <awallin> owhite: from a steel/plastic/wood sample, or from some standard reference surface?
[22:12:13] <JymmmEMC> adding
[22:12:46] <owhite> awallin: from the part (usually steel) on the X-Y table.
[22:13:27] <awallin> ok, some fancy optics tricks might not work too well then depending on the surface roughness and reflectivity
[22:14:12] <owhite> see:
http://www.asymtek.com/products/non_contact.htm
[22:14:22] <archivist> is the metal that flat etc
[22:16:15] <owhite> its a system that you shine a laser diode on the part, and it reflects back on a CCD sensor. I would imagine that'd be fairly easy to build the circuitry. The problem is what to point it at? the cutting head kind of gets in the way.
[22:16:34] <awallin> owhite: a 10$ laser diode, 20$ webcam, some lenses, and some programming and you should be done :)
[22:16:44] <owhite> and then once parts start to get cut out, then the beam would hit areas that have voids.
[22:17:02] <owhite> awallin: I agree, just dont know about the void problem.
[22:17:07] <JymmmEMC> http://aries.ucsd.edu/LMI/TUTORIALS/diverge.html
[22:17:44] <alex_joni> owhite: how about doing a dry run? and mapping z-height?
[22:17:56] <alex_joni> then mixing that together with your g-code
[22:18:05] <owhite> alex_joni: you know what, that's a darn good suggestion.
[22:18:05] <JymmmEMC> owhite:
http://books.google.com/books?id=VvQRkAzT1h4C&pg=PT221&lpg=PT221&dq=distance+measuring+ccd+camera+-patent&source=web&ots=6G6kQZ2DYo&sig=BG1ALM9wkWtW-bENPQ7Kx4HvBZU&hl=en
[22:18:24] <owhite> height changes when the metal gets hot or gets cut but its still a good idea.
[22:18:41] <alex_joni> owhite: only if the laser is too underpowered :)
[22:19:00] <owhite> oh now you're hurting my feelings!
[22:19:07] <alex_joni> then again, try some oxy-fule cutting
[22:19:10] <owhite> its just a little laser, but he's a good guy.
[22:19:15] <alex_joni> then you'll see heating & bending
[22:19:23] <owhite> JymmmEMC: thanks thats a nice pointer.
[22:20:26] <JymmmEMC> owhite: It's something that I've always wante dto do digitally, but just use a flashlight now to do the same thing.
[22:21:11] <JymmmEMC> owhite: Do you know what "thick film" is in microelectronics?
[22:21:19] <owhite> does anyone know if the torch height control stuff that's on the knowledgebase, is -really- being used?
[22:21:32] <owhite> JymmmEMC: nope havent heard of it.
[22:21:40] <alex_joni> owhite: the one that's part of one of the sample configs sure is
[22:21:44] <alex_joni> but it's for plasma
[22:21:56] <alex_joni> using cutting arc voltage
[22:21:59] <awallin> that's probably dallur from iceland?
[22:22:03] <alex_joni> yeah
[22:22:22] <JymmmEMC> owhite: Basically... In microelectronics... they make up the PCB (substract) in layers... silkscreeing gold, then isulator, gold, etc.
[22:22:36] <owhite> got it.
[22:23:11] <JymmmEMC> owhite: When we had to silkscreen the substrates befor ethey were tossed in th furnace for curing, we had to measure the thinkness
[22:23:30] <owhite> using a non-contact method?
[22:23:52] <JymmmEMC> owhite: The way we measured ws toss one under a microscope that had a (no kidding here) TI adding machine.
[22:24:22] <owhite> mm-hm.
[22:25:02] <JymmmEMC> owhite: You would focus on the underlayer, zeroed the adding machine. then adjusted the focus to the layer you just silscreened. and hit another button. It would print out the starting height, the finish height, and the thickness.
[22:25:35] <awallin> transparent things can be measured with optical coherence tomography if you want to get fancy...
[22:26:18] <JymmmEMC> owhite: What interconnected the two, I don't know. But I figure that the same thing could be done with a CCD camera and/or a light beam ($0.99 laser pointer)
[22:26:23] <owhite> huh. that's something.
[22:26:50] <JymmmEMC> owhite: It was the purest form of KISS I've ever seen, and it worked great too.
[22:27:16] <owhite> yeah I'm thinking the same thing. but still worried because as it cuts its going to create voids and the distance will go wildly off. but alex_joni's idea is pretty good. map it before hand.
[22:27:21] <JymmmEMC> a fucking TI adding machine as a fancy measuring tool.
[22:27:51] <JymmmEMC> owhite: sounds time consuming, but if the height isn't going to change much, then no biffy.
[22:28:00] <owhite> yah.
[22:28:00] <JymmmEMC> biggy
[22:28:58] <owhite> okay people -- time to go hunt for some food.
[22:29:01] <JymmmEMC> owhite: I mean there is auto-focusing cameras for $99 or less.... there should be a way to do this in a straight forward means.
[22:52:42] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT has the Z alive
[22:53:47] <archivist> and how many more broken endmills
[22:54:04] <archivist> I read the scroll back :)
[22:54:46] <BigJohnT> only the one
[22:55:01] <BigJohnT> fingers faster than the brain when you get old
[22:56:12] <BigJohnT> I went to change the Y.5 to Y.25 to speed up the process but added X.25 to the rapid and well you know the rest
[22:57:48] <BigJohnT> now that I have it together I see that the Z post is 3/4" too long... that's an easy fix with the cold saw
[22:58:07] <archivist> we all do it!. I broke something here last week
[22:59:36] <BigJohnT> that's one the thousand things I like about EMC2 the preview window...
[23:08:02] <jmkasunich> I told him to turn around and face the sun, but no....
http://jmkasunich.com/pics/chickadee-1917.jpg
[23:09:28] <giacus> halooooooo
[23:09:35] <giacus> :DDD
[23:10:00] <giacus> buona pasqua!
[23:10:04] <giacus> have fun
[23:12:03] <JymmmEMC> Jacky!
[23:12:20] <giacus> JymmmEMC: !!
[23:12:21] <BigJohnT> when it's real cold they will eat out of my hand here
[23:12:24] <giacus> :))
[23:12:42] <jmkasunich> BigJohnT: if I had seeds I bet these would have
[23:12:46] <jmkasunich> they were quite bold
[23:12:56] <giacus> I'm back.. for a bit
[23:13:07] <JymmmEMC> giacus: hows the fishing?
[23:13:09] <BigJohnT> their not scared of the cats or nothing
[23:13:22] <giacus> JymmmEMC: great!!
[23:13:25] <BigJohnT> we feed them all winter
[23:13:58] <JymmmEMC> giacus: not doing any cnc huh?
[23:13:59] <giacus> JymmmEMC: here's the latest..
http://www.poseidone.org/images/54.jpg :P
[23:14:20] <JymmmEMC> 7GB for /, 1.3TB for /home of RAID5 goodness
[23:14:28] <alex_joni> good night all :)
[23:14:36] <jmkasunich> they are darned hard to photograph - one would land almost close enough to touch, but by the time I focused on it it would move a few inches
[23:14:38] <JymmmEMC> nite alex_joni
[23:14:47] <jmkasunich> goodnight alex
[23:14:49] <alex_joni> giacus: buona pasqua!
[23:14:53] <giacus> JymmmEMC: not enough time to do all what I'd like..
[23:14:55] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: faster lens?
[23:14:59] <giacus> Ciao alex_joni :)
[23:15:32] <jmkasunich> I was manually focusing - I was in a thicket for most of the time, and the autofocus would get totally confused by the twigs
[23:15:50] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: ah, I understnad that one
[23:16:06] <jmkasunich> I have several nice pictures of branches that were taken 1/4 second after the bird flew off
[23:16:20] <JymmmEMC> Hmmm, how long do you think it'll take to format 1.3TB of RAID5?
[23:19:18] <skunkworks> 12 hours
[23:19:28] <giacus> 1.3 hours
[23:19:38] <jmkasunich> don't look now, but I think you have something stuck in your teeth:
http://jmkasunich.com/pics/slob-1916.jpg
[23:20:03] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks: really?
[23:20:16] <BigJohnT> dang cold saw makes quick work on extruded aluminum
[23:20:26] <BigJohnT> flying cows
[23:20:27] <skunkworks> I had a esata raid box that took about that long..
[23:20:28] <jmkasunich> ISTR skunkworks did a terabyte not too long ago
[23:20:51] <jmkasunich> BigJohnT: complete with manure
[23:20:55] <skunkworks> maybe yours will be faster.
[23:21:06] <BigJohnT> LOL
[23:22:21] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks: I hope so at least.... it did the 7GB / partition in just a few seconds. /home is 33% done now but the gauge hasn't moved in a while either.
[23:23:16] <skunkworks> :)
[23:23:18] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT fires up the BBQ
[23:23:47] <giacus> I dont' know, but I hate raid system, what I really like is scsi, but maybe I'm very old..
[23:23:51] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT is a happy guy only have to make the torch mount and I'm ready to burn
[23:24:12] <BigJohnT> * BigJohnT sings burning down the house...
[23:25:25] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks: I was given a 8drive PATA box with a 3ware card. I setup 7+1 hot spare for 1.7TB total.
[23:25:44] <skunkworks> raid 5?
[23:25:48] <JymmmEMC> yeah
[23:25:50] <skunkworks> nice.
[23:26:13] <JymmmEMC> Though, I'm not sure if I should have made it two 1TB RAID5 arrays mirrored or not =)
[23:27:01] <skunkworks> I had a few false starts before I figured out 32bit xp/2000 can only see 1tb
[23:27:38] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks: seriously?
[23:27:55] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks: oh, in a physical drive system
[23:28:28] <skunkworks> this was a 5 drive box with 750gb drives.
[23:28:54] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks: well, that sucks. I know samba can see/use much more than that.
[23:29:17] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks: I'm installing debian on it. oh btw the formating is done
[23:29:45] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks: I guess 15 minutes isn't too long to format 1.3TB
[23:29:59] <JymmmEMC> maybe 20
[23:30:41] <giacus> JymmmEMC: Debian!!?
[23:30:41] <JymmmEMC> temp dropped 20 degrees on the drives too
[23:30:50] <giacus> love it :D
[23:31:10] <JymmmEMC> giacus: Yes debian... unutu 6 and ubuntu 7 couldn't see the array
[23:31:47] <giacus> strange..
[23:31:59] <giacus> did you tried some boot option too?
[23:32:04] <giacus> on ubuntu?
[23:32:05] <JymmmEMC> not really, I've seen other strangeness with debian.
[23:32:29] <JymmmEMC> giacus: nope, I dont feel I should need to, it's a linux supported raid card. 3ware
[23:32:54] <JymmmEMC> not really, I've seen other strangeness with ubuntu I mean.
[23:34:06] <giacus> I'm playng with LTSP nd Ubuntu right now..
[23:34:40] <giacus> in some case I had to add some module to initrd to get i working
[23:35:00] <giacus> for some recent ethernet controller
[23:35:39] <giacus> you may just need to add some module to get it booting
[23:36:07] <giacus> or compile a kernel with correct modules
[23:36:36] <giacus> but I think Ubuntu should be ok to run it
[23:38:13] <giacus> Debian should be the hard way.. but is what I really love
[23:38:25] <giacus> :D
[23:39:32] <giacus> well.. you're playng, playng = fun!
[23:39:36] <giacus> have a fun
[23:39:59] <giacus> goodnight all!! See you
[23:40:08] <BigJohnT> night
[23:40:12] <giacus> ciao!
[23:41:27] <BigJohnT> si
