#emc | Logs for 2007-12-10

[00:09:48] <cradek> beautiful counterbored perfectly-sized holes carefully and precisely located in the wrong place
[00:10:52] <SWPadnos> oops
[00:15:02] <jmkasunich> ouch
[00:15:07] <jmkasunich> recoverable?
[00:15:11] <cradek> enough moping, back on the bicycle.
[00:15:21] <jmkasunich> (at least one hole dia from the right place?)
[00:15:25] <cradek> yes it's fine, just irritating
[00:15:43] <cradek> just means I have to make more holes in the mating part
[00:15:56] <cradek> (no, too close to use the originally planned location)
[01:04:10] <JymmmEMC> Hey, if anyone is buying a Nikon L14, be leary of it.
[01:04:25] <JymmmEMC> saturated in auto flash, can't focus with flash off indoors
[01:04:34] <JymmmEMC> Called Nikon, their only suggestion... return or exchange it.
[02:10:07] <Ziegler> thats lame
[03:10:50] <toastydeath> anyone know how to model a belt with crap attached to it
[03:10:53] <toastydeath> in solidworks
[03:11:06] <eric_U> I drew one
[03:11:16] <toastydeath> did it move?
[03:11:20] <eric_U> no
[03:11:24] <toastydeath> yeah that's my issue
[03:12:27] <eric_U> I don't think you can animate it
[03:12:32] <eric_U> but I'm not sure
[03:13:21] <eric_U> I wasn't pleased with the way that making a belt worked, even for a rigid one
[03:14:17] <toastydeath> #$%^@
[03:14:26] <toastydeath> i need to verify a linkage that rides on a belt
[03:14:31] <toastydeath> and i don't have any program that will do it
[03:15:31] <eric_U> well, it might do it, but I didn't find a good explanation
[03:15:56] <toastydeath> it does belts on pullies
[03:15:59] <toastydeath> to sych rotational motion
[03:16:14] <toastydeath> but i can't attach crap to the belt, like teeth, and have it go around
[03:16:21] <eric_U> bummer
[03:16:24] <toastydeath> seriously
[04:57:05] <toastydeath> ggg
[04:57:06] <toastydeath> eer
[04:57:07] <toastydeath> fffff
[05:04:03] <jmkasunich> letting your cat type again?
[05:06:02] <toastydeath> no
[05:06:05] <toastydeath> i was trying to type "fffff"
[05:06:10] <toastydeath> but did "g" instead
[05:06:13] <toastydeath> then had too many e's
[05:06:15] <toastydeath> in "er"
[05:12:47] <SkinnypuppY34> !
[05:51:45] <jmkasunich> jmk-st is this: http://jmkasunich.com/pics/case-front-IMGP1751.JPG
[05:52:01] <jmkasunich> depressing that it took all day to build that
[05:55:40] <SkinnypuppY34> Heck I spent 4 hours last night making two small radiused handles for the compound knob on my clausing. none was getting annoying and I couldn't think of anything better
[05:57:36] <SkinnypuppY34> Took longer than it should but now compound is also all cleaned and adjusted out to .002 not bad for a 1963 lathe
[07:12:35] <fenn> i wonder how they figured this one out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhHcARBC4xs&feature=related
[13:56:39] <jensor> hello
[13:58:19] <jensor> In axis I get an error when touch off - Bad number format - I used to back space and be able to get it to take an entry but that doesn't work now. Any suggestions to correct thes problem?
[14:01:46] <jepler> jensor: several other people have also run into this problem, but I've never been able to figure out why.
[14:01:50] <jepler> believe me, I wish I could
[14:02:10] <jepler> what version are you running?
[14:02:14] <jepler> have you changed your config files yet?
[14:02:24] <jepler> is it tied to loading a certain part program?
[14:02:47] <fenn> swp says to work around it, press home, shift end, delete (or something like that)
[14:03:20] <fenn> that key sequence is supposed to select and delete whatever character is causing problems
[14:03:38] <fenn> but it would be better to figure out what is going on
[14:03:56] <jepler> also, start emc from the terminal and see if there are any additional messages shown there
[14:03:58] <eric_U> only happens in axis?
[14:04:22] <jensor> version is 2.17
[14:04:42] <jensor> What do you mean config files?
[14:05:03] <jepler> your .hal or .ini files
[14:06:07] <jensor> What do you mean changed config files "yet"? I haven't changed them recently if that is what you mena.
[14:06:44] <jepler> er, I meant a word more like "lately". I must not be awake .. yet
[14:07:23] <jepler> eric_U: axis has a unique touch-off screen .. I'm pretty sure it only affects axis
[14:08:05] <jensor> right now I am in the middle of doing a job and decided to off set y axis by .01 and went into touch off to do that and it sems that no matter what I enter I get Bad Number Format error.
[14:09:15] <jepler> aside from trying what fenn selected I don't have any other suggestions on getting the "touch off" screen working again.
[14:09:28] <jepler> er, suggested
[14:10:26] <jensor> I probably wont have the problem if I restart axis, however I am in the middle of a job and would have to set up all over again.
[14:11:58] <jepler> you could figure out the right G10 L2 P1 ... command to MDI, but that is a bit tedious to get right (which is the point of the touch-off dialog)
[14:23:40] <jensor> Hey, I found the work around solution. You bring up the touch off window then hit home, then delete to delete the default entry which is 0.0000. however do not delete the last trailing zero. Then you can enter the number you need.
[14:24:19] <jepler> that's bizarre, but I'm glad you found something that worked for you.
[14:24:41] <jepler> I still want to figure out what makes it start doing that, so that I can fix it for everyone without bizarre workarounds..
[14:25:42] <jepler> bbl
[14:26:33] <jensor> I've seen others mention this problem before, this is something that needs to be fixed in Axis. Just hope I remember the work around the next time. Ihope I can find out what triggers it so I can let you know.
[14:34:51] <CIA-8> 03tissf 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/html/gcode_fr.html: French translation removed G38.3,4,5 (LOGOPEN)(LOGCLOSE)
[14:34:52] <CIA-8> 03tissf 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/gcode/main_fr.lyx: French translation removed G38.3,4,5 (LOGOPEN)(LOGCLOSE)
[14:57:04] <cradek> I wonder if he had something on stderr.
[15:01:21] <cradek> I wonder if anyone has seen this in emc2.2.
[15:01:44] <SWPadnos> I'd be surprised if it fixed itself
[15:05:07] <SWPadnos> it seems that there's a pattern where having no text in the entry field is more of a problem than having illegal characters (like 1.2.3 or 3fred)
[15:05:43] <SWPadnos> jack mentioned that he had to leave one digit remaining in the field, and I think I remember others saying the same thing
[15:08:15] <jlmjvm_> mine will say that if you delete the number,but goes away when you enter a number
[15:08:22] <jepler> yeah me too
[15:08:36] <cradek> that's the correct behavior
[15:08:39] <jepler> but enough people have reported this that they can't all be crazy or lying (to paraphrase a recent dilbert)
[15:08:52] <SWPadnos> I wonder if people assume they can't change the text when the error appears
[15:09:03] <cradek> "It's a little of both. How did you know?" <- dilbert punchline
[15:09:19] <cradek> SWPadnos: no I think so. I thought that at first too.
[15:09:24] <SWPadnos> "oops, there's an error, I'm sunk" instead "there's an error, I think I'll edit that number"
[15:10:17] <SWPadnos> one thing I've done in this situation is to change the edit box so that the number isn't checked continuously, but only at form submit time (then pop up an error if the data is invalid)
[15:10:33] <jlmjvm_> i have noticed that the kp-numbers dont work in the touchoff box
[15:10:47] <SWPadnos> does num-lock change that?
[15:10:53] <jlmjvm_> no
[15:11:06] <SWPadnos> hmmm. that seems odd (to me)
[15:11:14] <jlmjvm_> me too
[15:11:20] <jepler> hmph -- I could have sworn I fixed that
[15:11:56] <SWPadnos> do the AXIS key bindings need to be fiddled with for the dialog (so you don't do weird things with the machine)?
[15:13:02] <jlmjvm_> someone may think they have a touchoff problem,and its because their using the kp-numbers
[15:13:19] <jlmjvm_> they are
[16:10:50] <skunkworks_> huh - looks like it is going to take about 24 hours to format 2.7gb
[16:10:57] <skunkworks_> 2.7TB
[16:11:28] <archivist> grease the drive to make it quicker
[16:11:59] <archivist> who said computers are quick
[16:13:24] <skunkworks_> heh
[16:14:11] <skunkworks_> let it be said - the card is plugged into a lowley pci slot instead of a pcix slot
[16:14:32] <skunkworks_> don't know if that would make a difference.. I would hope so.
[16:15:31] <SWPadnos> yes, it makes a difference
[16:15:40] <SWPadnos> if it's a PCI card, it'll work much better in a PCI slot :)
[16:18:24] <fenn> hardware raid is silly
[16:18:47] <fenn> if the card dies, you are screwed
[16:18:55] <fenn> how's that make it more reliable?
[16:19:59] <SWPadnos> you can boot from RAID, which is a significant benefit in some cases
[16:20:06] <SWPadnos> that can't be done with software
[16:20:37] <fenn> eh, just add a boot sector to each disk
[16:21:02] <SWPadnos> no, you need the OS/FS drivers to be loaded before you can go into "RAID mode"
[16:21:03] <fenn> partition, not sector
[16:21:52] <SWPadnos> of course, you could boot from CD and have root be a RAID group
[16:27:11] <fenn> also, i think you need to have identical drives for hardware raid? wtf
[16:27:13] <skunkworks_> this is a pci/pcix card.. it will plug in the 32 bit or 64 bit slot.
[16:28:11] <SWPadnos> ah, PCI-X. I read that as PCIe - my bad
[16:28:26] <skunkworks_> heh
[16:28:51] <SWPadnos> though I think I've seen one card that had a PCIe connector on one side and PCI on the other
[16:28:55] <skunkworks_> fenn - no. normally any drive will work as long as it is that size or bigger.
[16:29:21] <SWPadnos> the same is true of software RAID, if you actually want to protect data
[16:29:39] <SWPadnos> obviously, JBOD doesn't need that
[16:29:46] <jepler> well I have found a problem with touch off and certain part programs, but I don't think it's the one my users have reported..
[16:30:10] <SWPadnos> cool.
[16:30:14] <jepler> (because the error that "sticks" is "unable to open file")
[16:30:32] <SWPadnos> hmmm. certain part programs? how would that affect the touch-off dialog?
[16:30:37] <SWPadnos> heh
[16:30:42] <SWPadnos> that does sound different
[16:33:07] <jepler> the touch off dialog uses the embedded rs274 interpreter to compute the value of expressions. The last loaded part program can leave "state" in the embedded interpreter which affects touch off
[16:33:25] <SWPadnos> hmmm. interesting
[16:33:37] <jepler> in this case, my file used % at the start and end
[16:34:02] <SWPadnos> are you supposed to be able to enter any calid RS274 number? (like "1 .2 3 45")
[16:34:06] <SWPadnos> valid
[16:34:32] <jepler> yes, or expressions like 1+tan[45].
[16:34:38] <SWPadnos> oh, cool
[16:34:52] <SWPadnos> or #5390 ?
[16:35:47] <jepler> no.
[16:36:30] <SWPadnos> oh
[16:38:54] <cradek> I often use something like 1.7455/2 on the lathe
[16:45:11] <cradek> I know from my experience yesterday that I cannot be trusted to divide a number by two in my head
[16:45:18] <SWPadnos> heh
[16:49:53] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/rs274ngc/gcodemodule.cc: make 'touch off' work when the loaded file uses percent signs
[16:56:19] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/src/emc/rs274ngc/gcodemodule.cc: merge from TRUNK: make 'touch off' work when the loaded file uses percent signs
[16:56:44] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/src/emc/rs274ngc/gcodemodule.cc: merge from TRUNK: make 'touch off' work when the loaded file uses percent signs
[16:57:16] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/debian/changelog: note new fix
[16:57:42] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/debian/changelog: note new fix
[17:06:29] <SWPadnos> holy crap: http://www.maniacworld.com/too-many-cats.html
[17:41:26] <skunkworks_> my wife would freak out seeing that video
[17:48:30] <SWPadnos> it's pretty freaky for me, and we had 12+ cats most of the time when I was growing up
[17:52:53] <skunkworks_> I can't imagine having more than 3.. we have 2 of the 3 that don't get along
[18:03:59] <archivist> 130 pussies, hmm too many
[18:59:56] <CIA-8> 03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/ (Master_HAL_fr.lyx Submakefile index.tmpl index_fr.tmpl): French translation
[18:59:56] <CIA-8> 03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/rtcomps_fr.lyx: French translation
[19:21:00] <cradek> hi sebastian, welcome
[19:21:14] <seb_kuzminsky> thanks chris!
[19:22:05] <seb_kuzminsky> I've got a hal driver I want to contribute, but I'm not sure what the process is...
[19:22:38] <cradek> let's go to emc-devel
[19:33:30] <skunkworks892> wow - this esata card has 4 ports - looks like I could hook in 3 more boxes. 20 drives..
[19:33:41] <skunkworks892> total
[19:33:56] <SWPadnos> or even more, if you get bigger external drive arrays
[19:34:09] <jepler> I thought sata was one drive per port -- is that not true? or is esata something else?
[19:34:16] <SWPadnos> external SATA
[19:34:29] <SWPadnos> but there are drive cages that make a RAID look like one disk drive
[19:34:57] <skunkworks892> how ever it works.. The software looks like it only works for these boxes - but I could be wrong. (5 hotswap drvies per box)
[19:35:21] <skunkworks892> the software sees the drives individually.
[19:35:57] <SWPadnos> there are also multi-channel ports
[19:36:23] <SWPadnos> but I think you usually split those out to individual drives with a special cable (ie, it's one connector that has all the signals for 4 drives)
[19:41:59] <skunkworks892> http://imagebin.org/12294
[19:43:04] <skunkworks892> looks like the company that makes the chipset for the raid controller (siliconimage) also does a lot for hd interfaces.
[19:44:16] <skunkworks892> as in high definition
[19:44:47] <SWPadnos> they make a lot of TMDS chips too, I think
[19:44:53] <SWPadnos> ie, DVI/HDMI
[19:45:02] <SWPadnos> (or is that what you were talking about?)
[19:45:16] <skunkworks892> yes
[19:45:21] <skunkworks892> (that is what I ment)
[19:46:05] <skunkworks892> it has linux drivers.. ;)
[19:46:25] <skunkworks892> 3TB of ngc files anyone?
[19:46:32] <SWPadnos> they actually make basically the only TMDS chips that really work at full speed
[19:51:15] <fenn> some of us actually use linux on a daily basis...
[19:51:46] <skunkworks892> snob
[19:53:05] <fenn> so this raid array gets shared by a windows samba server?
[19:56:34] <skunkworks892> it will get shared on a old windows 2000 server.. Yes.
[19:56:42] <skunkworks892> it is also running mfs
[20:05:35] <cradek> if you don't use unix what do you use? mac os?
[20:06:02] <skunkworks892> most of your artist use macs.
[20:06:06] <SWPadnos> Atari DOS
[20:06:37] <skunkworks892> and it is a lot cheaper using a windows 2000 whatever server with macintosh file sharing than buying an actual mac server.
[20:06:39] <SWPadnos> mac os is unix these days :)
[20:06:57] <SWPadnos> I had the worst time trying to network some macs and PCs recently
[20:07:07] <skunkworks892> heh
[20:07:29] <SWPadnos> and I must say, I can't stand having only one mouse button, and having an interface that's so "clean" that you can't find out how to e.g. restore a friggin window that's been minimized
[20:07:56] <skunkworks892> yah - I hate that. (I am not a mac guy) (not even a little bit)
[20:08:40] <SWPadnos> and then there was the Nikon Capture software that wouldn't quite install on one machine, and of course there isn't a version for the Intel-based macs yet ...
[20:08:53] <cradek> do they still have the three colors of lozenge that you have to learn?
[20:08:57] <SWPadnos> we ended up using my 7 year old laptop to capture images from the D1X
[20:09:05] <SWPadnos> four, if you count the top roght
[20:09:08] <SWPadnos> right
[20:13:01] <fenn> i wonder if color-blind people can tell the difference
[20:14:03] <cradek> not between the red and green
[20:14:12] <cradek> they would have to use the position, like a stop light
[20:14:24] <skunkworks892> all our macs have the little X _ - (or something like that) on each button)
[20:14:35] <cradek> oh good, they must have fixed it
[20:14:47] <cradek> * cradek knows even less about macs than windows
[20:14:52] <skunkworks892> heh
[20:15:10] <fenn> it's enough like linux to fool you into thinking you know what you're doing
[20:16:30] <cradek> I knew (the admin side of) NT4 pretty well. it's all downhill from there
[20:16:36] <SWPadnos> not me, I'm quite sure I don't know what I'm doing when I'm sitting at a Mac
[20:16:38] <jepler> http://shannonclark.wordpress.com/2007/07/19/yellow-and-green-color-blindness-and-ui-design/ -- apparently the colors are bad for at least one type of color blindness (but isn't the common one red/green colorblindness?)
[20:16:54] <SWPadnos> red/green is most common for males
[20:17:02] <SWPadnos> dunno about females though
[20:20:46] <jepler> using a screen shot of mac (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Leopard_Desktop.png) and gimp's Color Deficient Vision display filter, the buttons are hard to differentiate when Protanopia (insensitivity to red) or Duteranopia (insensitivity to green) are selected; in both cases, it's hard to tell the difference between the yellow and green buttons which have a similar yellowish cast -- the red button is much darker
[20:22:14] <cradek> someone who can see all the colors still has to learn an arbitrary mapping of colors to functions. it could be pictures of an apple, banana, and tomato and be just as dumb
[20:23:07] <SWPadnos> that's a point most mac (or Windows or Linux) zealots forget - that every UI needs to be learned, and of course people will be the most functional in the one they know best
[20:23:39] <cradek> Results 1 - 10 of about 6,540 for mac "how to open CD".
[20:23:51] <cradek> ^ but some decisions are just dumb
[20:24:00] <SWPadnos> I had the devil ofa time trying to find out how to eject the CD on my sister's powermac
[20:24:28] <skunkworks892> they all still have the little paperclip hole ;)
[20:24:30] <SWPadnos> as it turns out, there's a button on the keyboard with the triangle/bar "eject" log on it
[20:24:42] <SWPadnos> logo, not log
[20:25:01] <SWPadnos> but there's no button on the CD drive - so it looks much cleaner or something
[20:25:21] <fenn> to match the floppy drive with no button
[20:25:28] <SWPadnos> indeed
[20:26:10] <fenn> actually i think the button is still there, hidden under a piece of plastic
[20:26:22] <SWPadnos> though modern PCs and macs don't have floppy drives
[20:26:35] <SWPadnos> I think a DVD recorder is about the same price as a floppy drive these daya
[20:26:40] <SWPadnos> days
[20:27:08] <skunkworks892> and you can get keychain drives that you can actaully put something on.
[20:27:45] <fenn> but still no heads-up-display or hands-down-keyboard
[20:28:21] <fenn> or e-ink book reader that doesn't suck
[20:29:22] <fenn> i wonder if the hard drive manufacturers killed off the holographic cube concept
[20:29:47] <SWPadnos> I think the NeXT cube killed off holographic storage :)
[20:32:05] <skunkworks892> http://imagebin.org/12295
[20:32:13] <skunkworks892> notice the bottom of the picutre
[20:34:10] <SWPadnos> so it should be done around the time you get into work tomorrow morning
[20:34:57] <skunkworks892> exactly
[20:40:57] <skunkworks892> the software kinda sucked - It took me a bit to figure out what the hell the drives where doing. I could create an array - but could't figure out what it was doing to it.
[20:42:56] <CIA-8> 03tissf 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/ (Master_HAL_fr.lyx Submakefile index.tmpl index_fr.tmpl): French translation
[20:42:56] <CIA-8> 03tissf 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/rtcomps_fr.lyx: French translation
[20:54:10] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks what RAID card?
[20:54:46] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: Just drag the CD to the trash to eject =)
[20:56:01] <skunkworks892> I think the card is a norco-4618.
[20:56:16] <skunkworks892> it has a siliconimage chipset.
[20:56:26] <JymmmEMC> never heard of it, oh built on the mobo?
[20:56:36] <skunkworks892> esata card
[20:56:45] <skunkworks892> pci/pcix
[20:57:47] <skunkworks892> http://www.norcotek.com/item_detail.php?categoryid=8&modelno=norco-4618
[20:57:49] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks a ways back I was research RAID cards... a LOT of them off load the managment to the cpu, making them really suck.
[20:57:56] <skunkworks892> it came with the raid box
[20:58:31] <JymmmEMC> Support RAID 0, 1, 0+1, JBOD, RAID5 (Windows Only)
[20:58:44] <JymmmEMC> makes me think the one you have is a soft card card.
[20:59:31] <JymmmEMC> IMO it should be OS independant, or no OS at all actually.
[20:59:58] <skunkworks892> yes
[21:00:57] <JymmmEMC> 3ware.com has soem good products
[21:02:28] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks are you jsut looking for a mass storage device?
[21:05:47] <skunkworks892> inexpensive - yes
[21:06:15] <JymmmEMC> hang on...
[21:06:24] <JymmmEMC> wait, how inexpensive?
[21:09:35] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks OK, this is the top-of-the-line model, 5 disc (4 + 1 hot spare if you like) dual gig ports NAS box, USB ports, etc ~$750 no drives http://www.thecus.com/products_over.php?cid=12&pid=32&PHPSESSID=efdddf666bc3e992c89faee6f1393bd1
[21:09:47] <skunkworks892> i got 2.7TB space (5 drives raid 5) for 1249 shipped. (5 bay hotswap + 5 750gb drives + esata cared)
[21:09:57] <JymmmEMC> can be used as a router/gateway/firewall
[21:11:25] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks there is a 4 port model for about $500
[21:11:49] <JymmmEMC> it can even act as a ftp/web server as well.
[21:13:17] <skunkworks892> cool
[21:13:17] <jepler> it's nuts just how cheap hard drive storage is
[21:13:54] <skunkworks892> i could not pass up the drives - 750gb for 149 free shipping.
[21:14:59] <JymmmEMC> skunkworksbrand?
[21:15:14] <skunkworks892> seagate
[21:15:18] <JymmmEMC> good
[21:15:23] <JymmmEMC> 5yr warranty
[21:15:29] <skunkworks892> yes
[21:15:38] <skunkworks892> barracuda
[21:16:01] <skunkworks892> I have had good luck with that series
[21:16:15] <JymmmEMC> I have so far, but it hasn't been 2yrs yet =)
[21:16:31] <skunkworks892> all the way down to my 9gb seagate barracuda scsi drives :)
[21:17:13] <JymmmEMC> scsi bah
[21:17:21] <JymmmEMC> I'm done with scsi
[21:17:58] <JymmmEMC> I tossed out most of my scsi cables and everything. Kept one of two just in case (data transfer)
[21:19:20] <Dallu1> I would not count scsi out yet, SAS is pretty neat, especially since it's SATA compatible (you can connect both SAS and SATA drives to it)
[21:20:24] <JymmmEMC> Dallu1: Even during main stream scsi days, I always found it cumbersome.... ID#'s , the freaking cables, aspi drivers, etc.
[21:20:40] <JymmmEMC> terminators, auto terminators, etc
[21:20:42] <Dallu1> Jymmm: yup, old style scsi with the terminators
[21:21:22] <jepler> large number of drives per bus seems like a nice feature though
[21:21:48] <Dallu1> yeahh, but they share bandwidth and the cables used to cost an arm and a leg
[21:22:50] <jepler> sure
[21:24:04] <Dallu1> I just hope the prices of SSD comes down
[21:24:35] <JymmmEMC> Dallu1: Yeah, that's why I held on to my scsi cables for so long, the sheer cost of them.
[21:25:38] <Dallu1> I can't afford to pay $3000 for 130 Gigs but the prospect of random seek taking as long as sequential reads makes me feel warm and fuzzy
[21:25:59] <anonimasu> :)
[21:29:01] <SWPadnos> you can get 32GB SSD from NewEgg for something like $450
[21:29:09] <SWPadnos> so $3000 is enough for 200GB ;)
[21:29:13] <SWPadnos> roughly
[21:31:38] <JymmmEMC> SSD ?
[21:31:49] <Dallu1> SWPadnos: They also have 128G drives for $3300
[21:31:53] <JymmmEMC> scsi serial device?
[21:31:55] <Dallu1> Solid State Drives
[21:31:59] <JymmmEMC> oh
[21:32:15] <Dallu1> http://anandtech.com/storage/showdoc.aspx?i=3167
[21:32:25] <Dallu1> A recent review of SSD vs. traditional drives
[21:34:07] <SWPadnos> my experience with some relatively inexpensive SSDs (Transcend brand) is that they're pretty darned slow, but absolutely silent ;)
[21:35:23] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: for video?
[21:35:33] <SWPadnos> no, for a Linux/HAL application
[21:35:41] <JymmmEMC> ah
[21:35:45] <Dallu1> some of the cheap SSD's are basically glorified compact flash cards
[21:35:52] <SWPadnos> yep
[21:36:18] <SWPadnos> ok, time to drive around looking for a rear windshield defroster repair kit - see you later
[21:36:36] <JymmmEMC> Cool, I can now take over the world with my 64MB SSD!!!
[21:36:49] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: cut a grid wire?
[21:37:32] <SWPadnos> no, the spade connector is detached
[21:37:48] <JymmmEMC> ew, can't solder it back on, huh?
[21:37:57] <JymmmEMC> silver solder
[21:40:03] <SWPadnos> tried a few things, silver, lead/rosin, lead/acid, lead-free, with flux, no flux etc.
[21:40:26] <SWPadnos> of course it doesn't help much that it's about 17 degrees here either - hard to get the thing up to temperature
[21:40:43] <JymmmEMC> hair dryer or electric blanket?
[21:40:51] <JymmmEMC> assuming you have a garage
[21:40:58] <SWPadnos> might work, if I have enough time in the garage before my wife gets home ;)
[21:41:16] <JymmmEMC> disconnected the dryer vent and turn on the dryer
[21:41:41] <JymmmEMC> toss in a couple of towels though =)
[21:42:34] <JymmmEMC> Anyone have any suggestions to a nice pns camera?
[21:42:41] <SWPadnos> pns?
[21:42:50] <JymmmEMC> Point-N-shoot
[21:42:52] <skunkworks892> point and shoot
[21:42:54] <SWPadnos> oh
[21:43:03] <SWPadnos> Olympus Stylus 790SW
[21:43:09] <SWPadnos> ~$250
[21:43:18] <SWPadnos> water and shock proof
[21:43:19] <JymmmEMC> I'm real leary of olympus
[21:44:10] <JymmmEMC> is it any good? The nikon coolpix and canon's were really poor on focusing blurry, and action shots
[21:44:15] <JymmmEMC> slow to focus
[21:44:24] <JymmmEMC> I was suprised by the Sony though.
[21:44:33] <SWPadnos> it's not a fast camera, it's a point-n-shoot
[21:44:56] <SWPadnos> but it has a couple of features that are excellent: 1) it's waterproof. you can shoot while swimming
[21:45:01] <JymmmEMC> I want a nice PNS, simple to use but quality.
[21:45:04] <SWPadnos> 2) it's shockproof, you can drop it and it won't break
[21:45:21] <SWPadnos> 7.1MP, 4x (or thereabouts) optical zoom
[21:45:37] <SWPadnos> shoots video at up to 640x480, uses xd cards, up to 2GB I think
[21:45:54] <SWPadnos> the emc2 tapping/toolchanging video was shot with my 725SW
[21:46:06] <JymmmEMC> SWPadnos: yeah, XD are for the birds. but does the flash recharge fast on it?
[21:46:24] <JymmmEMC> does it suck batteries?
[21:46:26] <SWPadnos> it's pretty quick, until the battery starts getting low
[21:46:38] <SWPadnos> not so bad, we've shot for a full day on a single charge
[21:46:47] <SWPadnos> not using flash all the time though
[21:46:53] <JymmmEMC> apx qty of pics?
[21:47:10] <JymmmEMC> these are mostly going to be indoor shots, so will need the flash.
[21:47:29] <SWPadnos> in fine jpeg mode, we get about 600 on a 1G card
[21:48:05] <JymmmEMC> that's cool, just need quick flash/focus - parrot action shots =)
[21:48:19] <JymmmEMC> and they're faster than a kid on a sugar high =)
[21:48:28] <SWPadnos> well, I'm not sure there's any really good PnS camera that does well in fast / low light situations
[21:48:38] <SWPadnos> the fastest I've used was the Fuji E550
[21:48:47] <JymmmEMC> I was impressed with Sony last night.
[21:48:48] <SWPadnos> <2 seconds from power-on to first shot
[21:49:02] <SWPadnos> 6MP real, 12MP with their weird interpolation
[21:49:07] <skunkworks892> my father liked the sony he had.
[21:49:26] <JymmmEMC> yeah, dont really care about MP's...2 MP would be fine for the most part.
[21:49:41] <skunkworks892> He really likes his nikon dslr though.
[21:49:57] <JymmmEMC> skunkworksSo do I, I have the Nikon D70
[21:50:39] <skunkworks892> ok - so your looking for a throw around camera
[21:51:18] <JymmmEMC> This is a goft for my gf. The last Fuji camera I got her now takes 5 shots, and you have to replace the batteries. Uses XD card, which are so expensive compared to SD, which we have lots of here.
[21:52:18] <JymmmEMC> The Nikon I just returned last night, would overexpose with the flash on, or warm colors with the flash off, but be blurry.
[21:52:27] <JymmmEMC> also took forever for the flash to recharge.
[21:53:10] <JymmmEMC> Nikon coolpix L14 - I even called Nikon to see if there was a firmware update or a setting I missed. They suggested that I exchage it at the store.
[21:53:12] <SkinnypuppY34> My Canon powershot 400 takes decent pics but the flash recharge sucks on it. If you see one on sale don't go for it
[21:53:51] <JymmmEMC> SkinnypuppY34: Yeah, thats what I noticed on all the canons I saw last night. I'm really surprised as the Canon powershot S10 I have does a nice job.
[21:56:06] <JymmmEMC> Shot to Shot Flash on (with red eye reduction off) 7.1seconds
[21:56:15] <JymmmEMC> fuji E550
[21:56:21] <JymmmEMC> ouch
[21:56:36] <JymmmEMC> flash off 1.5seconds
[21:56:41] <JymmmEMC> much better
[21:58:26] <cradek> haha, the forecast is snow accumulation of 4 inches with ice accumulation of 1/4 inch.
[21:58:54] <cradek> with a chance of 100%
[21:59:02] <skunkworks892> yeck
[21:59:15] <cradek> sounds like a good day to stay home
[21:59:25] <skunkworks892> we had something similar about a week ago - 6 inches of snow with about 1/4 of ice on top.
[21:59:42] <skunkworks892> made for fun walking.
[21:59:51] <cradek> winter is fun
[21:59:55] <cradek> never a dull moment
[22:00:53] <cradek> bbl...
[22:59:11] <alex_joni> good night all
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