#emc | Logs for 2007-12-02

[00:00:00] <dmess> dynafile... air powered rotary device..
[00:00:07] <dmess> YES...
[00:00:16] <dmess> no touch the part
[00:00:35] <toastydeath> for the love of god.
[00:00:46] <toastydeath> We had a whole run of parts with a burr nobody noticed
[00:00:54] <toastydeath> and they'd have been scrap if we couldn't touch them by hand
[00:01:17] <dmess> same here.. so now all the rads and chamfers ARENT spinning and have flat spots...
[00:01:43] <dmess> now
[00:01:54] <toastydeath> =(
[00:03:15] <dmess> this country is selling us to china.... in laws..
[00:03:35] <toastydeath> yeah
[00:03:51] <toastydeath> agreed completely
[00:04:07] <dmess> or more recently.. 9 of our machines going to Romania... in the next 6 months
[00:04:42] <dmess> D you wanna go help set them up|??? NOT
[00:04:45] <JymmmEMC> LawrenceG: You are using the contactors to control the outlets, correct? If so, why not use SSR's instead?
[00:04:58] <toastydeath> that really sucks man
[00:04:58] <alex_joni> dmess: I might :P
[00:05:22] <toastydeath> i've seen a lot of guys just start their own one-man shop and avoid regulations
[00:05:26] <toastydeath> at least here in america
[00:05:46] <toastydeath> the bigger places have a hard time beating prices because the little guys get a lot of the advantages of the overseas people
[00:05:46] <dmess> contact sergioanton@yahoo.com mention my name..
[00:06:04] <toastydeath> guys running a few screw machines on little jobs
[00:06:55] <dmess> but can they maintain the regulatory stuff NADCAP/ CGP / ITAR / ?? there are many
[00:07:04] <toastydeath> big companies can't run the screw machines because they have too many restrictions and need to buy a 300k-500k lathe to even get a fraction of the output
[00:07:23] <toastydeath> i don't know what regulatory stuff they avoid by being one-man
[00:07:46] <toastydeath> and certainly not what canadian regulations would apply
[00:07:56] <dmess> i do landing gear... Transport canada and the NAVY are registered/attatched to my stamp
[00:08:43] <toastydeath> cool man
[00:08:43] <dmess> if you aint on the list... SORRY
[00:08:45] <toastydeath> haha
[00:09:50] <dmess> makes ya think 2 times... or 3 .. need an extra sleep on this one..
[00:10:46] <dmess> f/18-c/d main gears are mine to make spares for.... for now..
[00:12:14] <toastydeath> i recall you mentioning that
[00:12:26] <tomp2> halcmd save > saved.hal quit halcmd -I -F saved.hal is missing some values that were setp'd ( hal users manual 11 28 2007 sec 2.3.5, the amplitude of 5 became 1 )
[01:39:12] <jepler> tomp2: unfortuantely you get that behavior when parameters are converted to pins
[01:39:28] <jepler> as they were for siggen and have since been for other types
[01:39:31] <jepler> er, other components
[01:40:10] <tomp2> thanks, now i know. is there src for the document i i want to submit edits?
[01:40:21] <tomp2> if i
[01:41:03] <alex_joni> sure.. it's in cvs under emc2/docs/src/
[01:41:13] <tomp2> thanks
[01:41:16] <alex_joni> np
[01:41:20] <jepler> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?BeyondWiki
[01:41:26] <alex_joni> tomp2: you'll need lyx for that
[01:41:55] <tomp2> argh i remember lyx
[01:48:31] <Unit41> for a http://cgi.ebay.ca/48-3-8-16-Lead-Screw-w-Delrin-Nut-for-CNC-Router_W0QQitemZ230196442940QQihZ013QQcategoryZ57122QQcmdZViewItem
[01:48:51] <Unit41> should I go half inch or 3/8's acme rod ?
[01:48:58] <Unit41> for a 48 inch peice
[01:49:14] <Unit41> 30 bux is a hell of a deal
[02:10:38] <jlmjvm> http://pastebin.com/m22a77e81
[02:10:57] <jlmjvm> jepler:could you take a peek
[02:11:41] <jlmjvm> were at a stumbling point
[02:13:07] <jlmjvm> what were wanting to know is how to add a write button,and the box still stay open
[02:15:05] <jepler> using tkSimpleDialog.Dialog as the basis for your screen limits you -- a dialog normally dismisses when one of its buttons (e.g., cancel or OK) is clicked.
[02:15:29] <jepler> if you don't want that behavior, you should use something else (e.g., Toplevel or Frame) which does not have the behavior you don't want.
[02:16:10] <jlmjvm> there is a poll button commented out that could be used,currently it writes when you hit ok,want the poll button to write and ok to close the box
[02:16:32] <jlmjvm> so use toplevel of frame?
[02:16:49] <jlmjvm> disregard last question
[02:18:19] <jepler> well you could also create additional buttons that have different behaviors if that's what you wantr
[02:21:25] <Unit41> whats better 1/2-10 acme or 3/8-16 for a 49 inch peice ?
[02:22:51] <jlmjvm> just want to have 1 button to write,and 1 to close the box,then you could set several tools without having to restart it every time
[02:24:12] <jlmjvm> so it need to be redone with Frame and a button added with a def to poll and write,correct?
[02:24:47] <Unit41> 10-30-2005, 03:32 AM
[02:24:47] <Unit41> I would go with the 1/2-10. The 3/8-12 will start to whip at a lower speed than the 1/2-10.
[02:24:58] <jepler> that is one way you could do it
[02:25:00] <jlmjvm> this is actually writing to the table file right now
[02:25:34] <jlmjvm> how would you do it,or whats the simplest way with what we have
[02:27:25] <jlmjvm> my nasa buddie wanted me to ask you,says hes reached a wall
[02:28:15] <jlmjvm> but i think hes done well for less than 2 weeks in python
[02:57:51] <Unit41> .3125 Bearing Blocks
[02:58:15] <Unit41> is that a good number ?
[02:58:27] <Unit41> I read that .65 is better
[03:45:51] <Dogfishguzzler> Howdy EMC'ers
[03:46:08] <Dogfishguzzler> Anybody @ their keyboards?
[04:04:30] <Dogfishguzzler> Jymm:Good evening
[04:04:57] <Dogfishguzzler> Jymmm:Sorry mspl
[04:17:41] <tomp2> make blows up i built new rip after sudo apt-get install lyx latex2html
[04:17:50] <tomp2> and then did make clean then cd src
[04:17:55] <tomp2> then ,.configure --enable-run-in-place --enable-build-documentation
[04:18:03] <tomp2> then make && sudo make setuid .
[04:18:04] <tomp2> The computer shuts off during the 'Executing blah epsropdf blah' part. 3 times so far, and near 5 gig free.
[04:18:21] <tomp2> shuts off is correct
[04:18:51] <tomp2> s/epsropdf/epstopdf
[04:20:53] <tomp2> no traces in messages, syslog or userlog
[04:22:45] <Dogfishguzzler> tomp2:I'm not very familiar with EMC yet but I wonder why must you compile?
[04:23:18] <tomp2> i wanted src for new docs, wanted to contribute some edits to hal documentation
[04:23:27] <Dogfishguzzler> I see
[04:23:43] <tomp2> that require make with a diffecrent set of cmd line swxs
[04:23:50] <Dogfishguzzler> I'm glad to see EMC merge with git
[04:24:26] <Dogfishguzzler> I'm sorry merge would be a bad word lol
[04:24:46] <Dogfishguzzler> Is your install special? What edits are you providing?
[04:25:21] <tomp2> i just used the new docs, followed them, didnt get the result listed on the document
[04:25:36] <tomp2> so some edit might be useful to others reading them
[04:25:45] <tomp2> i could keep notes as i went thru them
[04:25:50] <tomp2> and submit edits
[04:26:09] <Dogfishguzzler> If you don't mind me asking, what results did you expect and what did you get, condensed version.
[04:26:24] <Dogfishguzzler> OHH, I see, you mean edits to the docs?
[04:26:45] <tomp2> yes
[04:27:05] <Dogfishguzzler> okay, so whats the problem with submitting those?
[04:27:32] <tomp2> you need the src, the src is in lyx format, it is not part of the std package.
[04:27:55] <tomp2> you edit the src, submit it for approval
[04:29:27] <tomp2> gotta go try again
[04:29:51] <Dogfishguzzler> I didn't realize the doc changes were in the src. Wouldn't that be a CVS problem?
[04:30:12] <Dogfishguzzler> <--doesn't know just asking
[04:30:25] <Dogfishguzzler> or git
[04:31:07] <Dogfishguzzler> I don't tinker with src, I'm not a coder
[04:31:57] <tomp2> its hotdog or hotdogwithmustard, two different requests. one is subset of other. the retrieval method is not a problem.
[04:32:29] <Dogfishguzzler> The difference between CVS and git go much deeper than retrieval.
[04:32:50] <Dogfishguzzler> I'm out of my realm here, I'm only offering suggestions.
[04:33:38] <tomp2> ok, and i dont know git
[04:33:43] <Dogfishguzzler> One of the problems with CVS is that anybody can effect the entore tree, which is why EMC is moving away from it, so I assume.
[04:34:09] <Dogfishguzzler> git is much more controlled in that fashion
[04:34:36] <Dogfishguzzler> Again, I'm talking out of my ass. I have no idea what your problem is
[04:35:46] <Dogfishguzzler> Wish I could help
[04:35:59] <tomp2> np ok, did new make clean, then make && sudo make setuid lets see if i disappear in maybe 5 minutes
[04:36:07] <Dogfishguzzler> God knows enough people have stepped forward and helped me
[04:36:30] <Dogfishguzzler> lol, is that why you bounce in and out and in and out
[04:36:35] <tomp2> yep
[04:36:42] <Dogfishguzzler> damn.....sorry
[04:36:56] <Dogfishguzzler> Good luck bro
[04:37:58] <tomp2> compiling emc/...
[04:38:14] <Dogfishguzzler> * Dogfishguzzler crosses fingers for ya
[04:38:23] <tomp2> compiling hal/...
[04:38:39] <tomp2> preprocessing ...
[04:39:05] <tomp2> CC [M] ...
[04:39:56] <tomp2> LD [M}
[04:40:03] <tomp2> LD [M]
[04:40:51] <tomp2> 0 stray cats
[04:41:07] <tomp2> Executing command:epstopdf --outfile='19_home_tomp_emc2_2-branch_docs_src_hal_stepgen-block-diag.pdf' '19_home_tomp_emc2_2-branch_docs_src_hal_stepgen-block-diag.eps'
[04:41:25] <tomp2> i did ^S to search if disk or mem is full...
[04:41:57] <tomp2> df sez /dev/hda3 8167196 3792152 3960168 49% /
[04:44:20] <tomp2> system monitor sez 154 of 488meg in user mem, and 0bytes of 1.4gig swap
[04:45:23] <tomp2> i got loads of resources... i bet ^Q will release the proces and it'll die again
[04:45:33] <Dogfishguzzler> humm
[04:45:52] <Dogfishguzzler> you got makefile issues, I'd bet my left nut on it
[04:49:24] <tomp1> yep, it dies during epstopdf with src of blahG76blah
[04:49:35] <tomp1> 4 times is enuf, bye
[04:53:47] <Dogfishguzzler> <--It's shake n' bake and I helped!
[06:15:00] <wholepair> is anyone around that can help with an installing emc2 on a Dell Inspiron 8200? I used the .sh script provided on a newly installed 6.06 LTS
[06:18:18] <wholepair> this was the debug output - http://uoregon.edu/~jgarman/crashoutput
[06:37:45] <wholepair> - i've been comparing my old core_stepper.hal file with the one in the newly installed emc2 demo_step_sl and there are some differences I don't understand - thought that might be the issue
[06:37:56] <wholepair> I have to go for a bit - be back later
[06:38:23] <fenn> i looked and have no idea, if that helps :)
[06:38:42] <wholepair> hey - thanks for telling me... :-)
[06:39:50] <wholepair> if you have no idea - then I don't either - but I will continue my exploration
[06:40:27] <fenn> it's something to do with rtai and kernel modules *shrugs helplessly*
[06:42:41] <fenn> could you tell us the output of 'ldd /usr/realtime-2.6.15-magma/modules/emc2/motmod.ko'
[06:42:49] <wholepair> here is a question -
[06:44:01] <fenn> er, nevermind ldd doesnt work on kernel modules
[06:44:05] <eric_Unter> this was not a Live CD install?
[06:44:10] <wholepair> can I use machine configuration files that I used to use for emc2(2.0.5) in this newly installed version emc2(2.2.1)
[06:44:19] <eric_Unter> yes
[06:45:59] <eric_Unter> can't believe the kernel guys whine about a lpgl license
[06:46:09] <wholepair> thats not the problem then - I can run the demo files - when I start emc and select demo_step_cl it starts up fine...
[06:47:15] <eric_Unter> at least one kernel module is not being loaded
[06:47:30] <wholepair> eric_Unter: your correct this wasn't a Live CD install
[06:47:39] <fenn> what are the differences in core_stepper.hal?
[06:47:48] <wholepair> hld on
[06:47:56] <fenn> does the old one not have trivkins?
[06:48:01] <eric_Unter> kinematics seem to be missing
[06:48:02] <fenn> 'loadrt trivkins'
[06:48:11] <wholepair> no - it doesnt hace trivkins
[06:48:16] <wholepair> I noticed that earlier
[06:49:51] <fenn> looks like you have to explicitly load emcmot now too?
[06:50:05] <fenn> anyway, try adding loadrt trivkins to the top of core_stepper.hal
[06:52:26] <fenn> i guess you're supposed to follow this document when using old config files: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UPDATING
[06:52:30] <wholepair> ok - I added the trivkins load - is there something else I should add - what is the emcmot you just said
[06:53:04] <wholepair> ok - I will use that doc - I guess... :-)
[06:53:48] <wholepair> I should have looked for it before bugging you guys...
[07:06:46] <wholepair> wow - I think I am going to put this off till the morning - maybe it would be easier to just make a new configuration with the wizard - thanks for your help
[12:25:27] <Dogfishguzzler> Okay I have a easy question. The Live cd isn't installing on this old computer I found. What would be the best ubuntu version to install THEN add EMC to it?
[12:31:47] <fenn> dapper/6.06
[12:32:36] <fenn> of course that's the same version as the live-cd, and you may not have enough ram for ubuntu's pretty pretty installer
[12:33:37] <fenn> another option to investigate is debian, which is much less piggy, but also "not supported" meaning you will have to do more work to get it to work
[12:33:47] <fenn> s/will/may/
[12:34:30] <fenn> ah, another finn
[12:34:50] <fenn> i've been meaning to ask, are there lots of fat people in finland?
[12:37:03] <alex_joni> Dogfishguzzler: you can also try by starting with Xubuntu 6.06, then adding emc2
[12:39:14] <Dogfishguzzler> So I have no option for a text based installer on the 6.06 version?
[12:40:04] <Dogfishguzzler> As far as Debian goes, if I go that route, should I expect problems?
[12:41:37] <fenn> you should always expect problems :)
[12:41:55] <Dogfishguzzler> Yeah, unfortunatly.
[12:42:32] <Dogfishguzzler> I've been using slack for years though. So I have some history with install problems. Although I must say not many.
[12:43:08] <alex_joni> Dogfishguzzler: there's an alternate install CD for 6.06
[12:43:12] <fenn> i would suggest not trying to use slackware for emc
[12:43:13] <alex_joni> that one is text-based
[12:43:36] <Dogfishguzzler> I found Xubuntu, not the live cd. I want to grab it with bittorent but Im afraid if I do that I'll just end up with the live cd again.
[12:44:12] <Dogfishguzzler> fenn:I'm off slack, ubuntu has impressed me so much I quite slack about 6 months ago.
[12:44:17] <alex_joni> hang on a minute
[12:45:00] <Dogfishguzzler> Well its apt-get that really impressed me lol, I love it
[12:45:49] <fenn> that's debian in a nutshell
[12:45:53] <alex_joni> http://ftp.cw.net/xubuntu/releases/6.06.1/release.1/xubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-i386.iso
[12:46:03] <alex_joni> Dogfishguzzler: I'd start by trying that one out
[12:46:31] <alex_joni> here's the torrent: http://ftp.cw.net/xubuntu/releases/6.06.1/release.1/xubuntu-6.06.1-alternate-i386.iso.torrent
[12:47:04] <Dogfishguzzler> alex_joni: Thanks thats the link I have already, I was hoping I could get a torrent for it but for some reason I think I'll get screwed trying it that way.
[12:47:09] <Dogfishguzzler> oh
[12:47:11] <Dogfishguzzler> right on
[12:48:13] <CIA-23> 03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/config/copy_and_run_fr.lyx: French translation
[12:52:26] <Dogfishguzzler> Man usually I get blazing fast downloads with BT but I guess I'm only connecting to one peer cause it's dragging ass.
[12:54:30] <Dogfishguzzler> This is the first time that BT it moving at 5kb/sec and ftp is pulling @ 600 kb/sec.
[14:01:41] <alex_joni> http://www.mediablog.cz/story.php?id=5679 <- ROFLMAO
[14:37:38] <Dogfishguzzler> Any of you guys ever hook up old 3.5 floppy drives to EMC? The stepper will only do one step. Can I overcome this?
[14:39:15] <Dogfishguzzler> I dont mind reading, but I don't know what to read.
[14:40:26] <alex_joni> how do you command the stepper?
[14:40:43] <alex_joni> I mean.. what kind of drives did you build/install?
[14:41:50] <Dogfishguzzler> Well all Iv'e done so far is to jumper from paraport to pins 13/14 on the floppy drive. I load EMC with the stepper inch config and if I jog my x axis I get movement but its only one step.
[14:42:03] <Dogfishguzzler> Im using the boards in the floppy drives themselves
[14:42:28] <alex_joni> you need to see if they use step/dir at all
[14:42:33] <alex_joni> I suspect they use phase drive
[14:42:45] <Dogfishguzzler> I'm new to EMC and this is something I can do with out spending any money and it lets me learn.
[14:42:46] <alex_joni> but it depends how many phases your motor has
[14:42:59] <Dogfishguzzler> How can I find out?
[14:43:44] <Dogfishguzzler> The pinouts Ive seen didn't include a direction pin.
[14:44:01] <alex_joni> how many wires? only 2?
[14:44:06] <alex_joni> then maybe it's quadrature
[14:44:13] <Dogfishguzzler> 4 wires
[14:44:32] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docview/2.2/html//hal_rtcomps.html#sub:Stepgen-Step-Types
[14:44:45] <alex_joni> so how did you hook up step/dir to 4 wires?
[14:46:01] <Dogfishguzzler> I didn't do anything except take the covers off the drive and remove the head so the lead screw can move freely. I didn'y disconnect the motor from the board at all. Hold on I'll show you.
[14:47:42] <Dogfishguzzler> http://lh4.google.com/compuslave/R1FnXhsomII/AAAAAAAAAiU/gbr6bGMkG5c/s800/dead_floppies.jpeg
[14:48:21] <Dogfishguzzler> http://lh6.google.com/compuslave/R1Fv2BsomKI/AAAAAAAAAik/zcNR_5oTrNE/s800/paraport.jpeg
[14:49:02] <Dogfishguzzler> http://lh6.google.com/compuslave/R1Fv2BsomJI/AAAAAAAAAic/anFZMCvf4S8/s800/cable.jpeg
[14:49:06] <alex_joni> I don't think that will work
[14:49:24] <Dogfishguzzler> damn, and that link looked so promising.
[14:49:32] <alex_joni> what link?
[14:49:39] <Dogfishguzzler> The one you threw up
[14:50:16] <alex_joni> Dogfishguzzler: I suggest this: 1 get the motor out of there
[14:50:21] <Dogfishguzzler> I want to build a driver and control circuit but I've been unable to find schematics for a quick and dirty one.
[14:50:22] <alex_joni> 2. get or build a driver
[14:50:36] <alex_joni> sometimes it's as easy as using a L293 or similar circuit
[14:50:54] <alex_joni> 3. if 2 is hard, go read on stepper motors & control (wikipedia is a good starting point)
[14:51:12] <alex_joni> the 'driver' you need to build is actually just an amplifier
[14:51:37] <alex_joni> if you try to move the motor directly from parport, it'll probably just burn your parport (too little current)
[14:52:05] <alex_joni> so you need something simple like a transister driven from parport, or an amplifier circuit (like L293 or L298)
[14:52:17] <alex_joni> then you can command the motor using 4 phases from emc2
[14:52:41] <alex_joni> (in order to get the motor spinning you will also need to identify the phase order, else it will just sit there and vibrate)
[14:53:58] <Dogfishguzzler> If I had to build this circuit from scratch, how much do you think it would cost?
[14:54:31] <alex_joni> maybe 10$
[14:54:49] <Dogfishguzzler> sweet
[14:55:26] <alex_joni> you need a L293D (the D one already has protection diodes inside, some wires, a DB25 connector, and some test pcb)
[14:56:09] <Dogfishguzzler> Youv'e been extremly patient and helpful but I wish to test that patience and ask if you might direct me to a schematic.
[14:56:25] <alex_joni> http://www.seattlerobotics.org/encoder/may98/steppers.html
[14:57:04] <Dogfishguzzler> So Ill need two of those for each motor since I have 4 wires right?
[14:57:16] <alex_joni> http://www.doc.ic.ac.uk/~ih/doc/stepper/control2/flpystpr/flpystpr.txt
[14:57:18] <Dogfishguzzler> (refering to the link you just showed me)
[14:57:24] <alex_joni> one of those for each motor
[14:57:51] <Dogfishguzzler> Oh I see the coil is two wires, duh
[14:58:05] <alex_joni> yup
[14:58:08] <Dogfishguzzler> Dude your awesome
[14:58:13] <alex_joni> that's probably as easy as it gets
[14:58:17] <Dogfishguzzler> I got plenty to read on now, thanks
[14:58:28] <alex_joni> np.. remember that giyf :)
[14:58:43] <Dogfishguzzler> giyf?
[14:59:27] <alex_joni> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=giyf&btnG=Google+Search&meta=
[14:59:28] <Dogfishguzzler> BTW the xubuntu install is progressing nicley on my old harvested dumpster box.
[14:59:35] <alex_joni> good
[14:59:42] <jlmjvm> http://pastebin.com/d8b72ac3
[15:00:16] <Dogfishguzzler> Ahh lol, yeah I love google but I guess I wasn't asking nice enough.
[15:00:43] <jlmjvm> alex_joni:theres the latest on the tool offset button,check it out
[15:01:03] <alex_joni> Dogfishguzzler: no sweat.. was happy to search for you :P
[15:01:13] <alex_joni> (at least I knew what I was looking for :)
[15:01:23] <Dogfishguzzler> Will do, I have hope again! Thanks!
[15:01:23] <alex_joni> jlmjvm: seems like you're getting there
[15:01:46] <jlmjvm> slowly but surely
[15:02:11] <alex_joni> jlmjvm: I also started writing python a couple weeks ago, so I'm not the best critic :)
[15:02:22] <alex_joni> but looking at it, it seems like it should do what you want..
[15:02:36] <jlmjvm> it actually works
[15:02:53] <jlmjvm> it will write to the tool.tbl
[15:04:17] <jlmjvm> i have tested all 25 tool lenghts and dia in mdi after they were loaded
[15:04:28] <alex_joni> nice
[15:05:05] <Dogfishguzzler> Hey one more quick question, do you think I can L293D @ radio shack?
[15:05:14] <alex_joni> yeah, they should probably have them
[15:05:21] <Dogfishguzzler> sweet man
[15:05:23] <alex_joni> it's one of the most common ICs for driving motors
[15:05:38] <Dogfishguzzler> Thats freakin awesome
[15:05:38] <alex_joni> if they don't then they surely can suggest something similar
[15:06:07] <jlmjvm> but when you hit ok the box goes away,want to make the tlo button write the table and the box stay open till you close it
[15:08:28] <jlmjvm> alex_joni:any thoughts or input you have are always appreciated
[15:09:34] <alex_joni> jlmjvm: sorry.. no thoughts really, would have to try it for that, and my emc2 machine is down atm
[15:11:58] <jlmjvm> jepler told me last nite it prolly needs to done with Frame or Top Level instead of tk simple dialog
[15:13:01] <Dogfishguzzler> alex_joni:Sorry, I have one more question. The triangles on the schematic, whats that, also where is says motor volt, what's that mean?
[15:13:52] <Dogfishguzzler> All four wires on the motor are shown connected on the schematic so I can't figure out where 'motor volt' is supposed to go.
[15:20:04] <alex_joni> that's the power supply for the motor
[15:20:08] <alex_joni> you can use 5V in your case
[15:20:34] <Dogfishguzzler> Yeah I just saw that, I guess the 5V is what the chip needs and pin 8 would the motors power?
[15:20:55] <alex_joni> probably so.. (closed the schematic already)
[15:21:07] <alex_joni> if you're moving smallish motors, you can safely use 5V for both
[15:21:08] <Dogfishguzzler> ok
[15:21:37] <Dogfishguzzler> I have some tiny ones from floppys but two bigger ones from a printer. Since youve showed me this Ill probably try both.
[15:22:02] <Dogfishguzzler> Im off to buy parts :D
[15:23:39] <skunkworks> I really doubt you can get the L293D at radio shack.. You should be able to go to thier site and see.
[15:25:34] <jlmjvm> alex_joni:it also works with axis sim
[15:25:42] <jlmjvm> just tried it
[15:27:52] <skunkworks> wow - looks like they don't sell any digital IC's anymmore. Or thier site sucks.
[15:31:33] <alex_joni> skunkworks: it sucks
[16:07:47] <TravisW> anybody have a program for tool zero
[16:08:17] <cradek> what do you mean?
[16:08:47] <TravisW> a way to automatically set tool zero. after you change tools
[16:09:02] <TravisW> I've seen plenty for mach
[16:09:21] <cradek> I do that with a tool length sensor (a switch on the table)
[16:09:30] <TravisW> generally uses a contact pad.... yes
[16:10:17] <cradek> the gcode that I use was distributed with recent emc2 releases but in case you do not have it you can get it here: http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/emc2/nc_files/tool-length-probe.ngc?rev=1.4
[16:10:44] <TravisW> thank you.. I've just started looking for it.
[16:10:58] <cradek> really it's just a special case of probing. You can do anything you want with probing.
[16:11:52] <TravisW> I'm new to emc, but pointed in the right direction for the most part.
[16:15:15] <jlmjvm> TravisW:what kind of machine are you using with emc?
[16:15:52] <cradek> bbl
[16:16:26] <TravisW> jlmjvm. I'm running a sieg x2 mill, cnc4pc-bob, gecko-320s
[16:18:32] <TravisW> just a little home benchtop
[16:20:01] <jlmjvm> im working on a progran that sets tool lengths,jog to position,enter tool #,hit ok and it writes the length to the tool table
[16:20:28] <jlmjvm> http://pastebin.com/d8b72ac3
[16:21:15] <TravisW> what I was just looking at cnczone was a progam that after you put in a tool
[16:21:43] <TravisW> it will z down onto a touchpad. ground thru a probe port, then auto set Z to 0
[16:22:08] <TravisW> all this, from a seperate screen, so you wouldnt have to load/reload each time.
[16:22:22] <TravisW> also had a pause to check with 123 block
[16:23:33] <jlmjvm> this is just a dialog box that writes the input to tool table,has gage block option
[16:24:17] <TravisW> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36099&highlight=aussie+tool+zero
[16:24:49] <TravisW> that link is the general idea
[16:27:27] <jlmjvm> gotcha
[16:28:47] <TravisW> the main point for me, is easy to use, almost automatic. When I need a tool change, I'd like a script to be executed automatically after a pause.
[16:31:07] <TravisW> tool 1 done, return to z+2, pause to tool change. hit the play button, automatically go to xy for contact pad to set 0 (or ontop of projet), z down to pad, set z0, return to last position, and start program.
[16:32:15] <TravisW> suppose I know what I want it to do, but I'll just need the time to get it right.
[16:32:28] <jlmjvm> jepler:does what i have now need to be redone with Frame or Top level?
[16:58:49] <alex_joni> jlmjvm: only if you want the frame to keep open after you push a button
[16:59:47] <jlmjvm> ahh,thanks alex
[17:00:28] <jlmjvm> just made a couple changes,now it goes away completely after you hit ok
[17:04:34] <jlmjvm> will worry about frame later,gonna just enjoy whats working for now
[17:25:36] <CIA-23> 03lawrenceg 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/stepconf/stepconf.py: hookup missing spindle encoder signals
[17:28:31] <CIA-23> 03jepler 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/stepconf/stepconf.py: merge from TRUNK: spindle encoder setup
[17:41:04] <CIA-23> 03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/Master_User_fr.lyx: French Translation, (ini_homming_fr and mill_canned_fr missing in pdf)
[17:41:05] <CIA-23> 03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/config/ (4 files): French Translation, (ini_homming_fr and mill_canned_fr missing in pdf)
[17:41:06] <CIA-23> 03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/gcode/ (main_fr.lyx mill_canned_fr.lyx): French Translation, (ini_homming_fr and mill_canned_fr missing in pdf)
[17:41:06] <CIA-23> 03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/gui/axis_fr.lyx: French Translation, (ini_homming_fr and mill_canned_fr missing in pdf)
[17:41:09] <CIA-23> 03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/ (intro_fr.lyx tutorial_fr.lyx): French Translation, (ini_homming_fr and mill_canned_fr missing in pdf)
[17:52:02] <tomp2> I got the documentation to build, it seems to be a thermal issue on a laptop, just odd it always happened at the same file conversion.
[17:52:15] <tomp2> The README in the lyx documentation for the emc docs says "The Lyx files must be in a version understood by lyx and Ubuntu Dapper as well as the lyx-to-html converter. This is 'version 221'. "
[17:52:27] <tomp2> Thats misleading... the file >format< must be '221' and the file format idenitifed as '221' is what you get with the Lyx retrieved by Synaptic ( which is Lyx version 1.3.7 Tue. Jan 17, 2006 ).
[17:52:28] <tomp2> So don't go hunting Lyx 2.2.1 ;)
[17:53:03] <CIA-23> 03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/config/ (ini_homing_fr.lyx stepconf_fr.lyx): French translation corr previous broken files
[17:54:04] <tomp2> merci, Tissf, you did a >lot< of work
[18:01:04] <DanielFalck> jlmjvm: I just tried your tlo script- nice
[18:04:34] <CIA-23> 03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/Master_User_fr.lyx: French Translation 221
[18:08:03] <jlmjvm> thanks
[18:08:38] <jlmjvm> i just made a launcher for my tool bar,now it opens with one mouse click
[18:11:07] <jlmjvm> DanielFalck:r u the guy working on the industrial gui?
[18:11:28] <DanielFalck> not at the moment. I'm learning python right now
[18:11:45] <DanielFalck> but I do want to set up a more 'fanuc like ' gui for our shop
[18:11:58] <jlmjvm> thought your name was familiar
[18:12:23] <jlmjvm> me and my friend are learning python also
[18:12:26] <DanielFalck> I'm into python programming for apt/cam a lot now
[18:12:53] <DanielFalck> it's a lot of fun. You can do a lot real quick with it
[18:13:36] <jlmjvm> sure can,although were not really quick yet
[18:14:14] <jlmjvm> its kinda addictive,lol
[18:14:24] <DanielFalck> yep
[18:15:16] <DanielFalck> makes me realize that there's so much potential to do things, but also makes me realize how much I don't know
[18:16:24] <DanielFalck> I run into an 'out of range' error with your script when I attempt to put in tool offset 8
[18:16:38] <jlmjvm> i hear ya,would like to get to a point someday of making my own cam system,so much is possible
[18:19:01] <jlmjvm> but in the morning when i go to train some people how to set up their bridgeport,they will be getting to use the tlo box for their tool offsets
[18:24:41] <jlmjvm> mine is working for tool #8
[18:25:19] <CIA-23> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/ (Master_HAL_fr.lyx Master_User_fr.lyx): remove empty author tag, causes some warnings
[18:25:20] <CIA-23> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/config/ (4 files): remove empty author tag, causes some warnings
[18:25:20] <CIA-23> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/gcode/ (coordinates_fr.lyx main_fr.lyx): remove empty author tag, causes some warnings
[18:25:21] <CIA-23> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/gui/axis_fr.lyx: remove empty author tag, causes some warnings
[18:25:22] <CIA-23> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/install/ (compiling_emc2_fr.lyx installing_emc2_fr.lyx): remove empty author tag, causes some warnings
[18:25:25] <CIA-23> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/ (intro_fr.lyx tutorial_fr.lyx): remove empty author tag, causes some warnings
[18:26:36] <jensor> hello, Can anyone helpme with using halui in axis?
[18:27:46] <jlmjvm> DanielFalck:is tool 8 still giving a problem?
[18:29:23] <DanielFalck> yes. I downloaded the version that you first mentioned in pastebin.
[18:30:15] <jlmjvm> did you add extra slots to your tool.tbl?
[18:30:29] <jlmjvm> i made mine have 25 tools
[18:30:30] <DanielFalck> ok, now it works
[18:30:39] <DanielFalck> I had to edit the table to add the numbers first
[18:30:54] <DanielFalck> no problem now
[18:31:07] <jlmjvm> cool,ive tested mine all the way thru tool #25
[18:31:53] <DanielFalck> I think I see what happened. I had tools 1-6 and tool 32 in the table
[18:32:10] <jlmjvm> yep,had no place to put it
[18:32:14] <DanielFalck> I just added tools 7 and 8
[18:32:17] <alex_joni> jensor: ask your question .. someone might just answer :)
[18:32:42] <DanielFalck> then when I added tool 9 through your script- it overwrote #32 ,which isn't a problem
[18:32:51] <jensor> I opened hal pins and under halui under joint the pin halui.joint.0.is-selected always shows false. The coresponding pins for joints 1 and 2 behave the same.
[18:33:04] <DanielFalck> so , I just need to pre populate the table to begin with
[18:34:11] <jlmjvm> yep,i think im gonna make 1 with 100 tools,should be enough for a boss bridgeport,lol
[18:35:01] <DanielFalck> so you have someone set up at work with emc on a bridgeport?
[18:35:05] <DanielFalck> at work
[18:36:33] <jlmjvm> just brought an old boss back to life for shop,training starts in the morning,and another mill at a local trade school also
[18:36:54] <DanielFalck> great
[18:37:17] <jlmjvm> and i have a boss here also
[18:38:02] <jlmjvm> ive done 4 mach controlled mills,but everythings gonna be linux from now on
[18:38:11] <DanielFalck> great
[18:38:29] <DanielFalck> did you have any problems with mach?
[18:39:39] <jlmjvm> biggest problem was people being able easily change things,like the config files,lol
[18:39:59] <jlmjvm> emc is superior in all aspects
[18:40:33] <DanielFalck> that's good to hear. I've never even looked at mach
[18:40:41] <Skullworks-PGAB> great Mazak horror story... They use Win XP
[18:40:54] <DanielFalck> or anything on windows since 1999 anyway...
[18:41:10] <DanielFalck> what happened with the Mazak?
[18:41:14] <Skullworks-PGAB> had the lathes on the network for easy program access
[18:41:44] <Skullworks-PGAB> XP got out thru the firewall and windows update ran
[18:41:57] <jlmjvm> i did a wireless network for 12 mazaks recently
[18:42:14] <Skullworks-PGAB> Xp rebooted while the machines were running
[18:42:21] <jensor> I am trying to figure out the halui interface. I am running axis. under axis I select Machine from the menu and and then select "Show Hal Configuration", then select Pins, then Halui, then joint and then I find that for all joints the pin halui.joint.?.is-selected is always false. Why doesn't it indicate true on the selected one?
[18:42:22] <DanielFalck> oh my ....
[18:42:25] <jlmjvm> ouch
[18:44:21] <jlmjvm> i put these on a seperate router with no gateway to the internet
[18:44:47] <Skullworks-PGAB> they had to isolate the cnc program server - Windows has many backdoor methods of phoning home.
[18:45:14] <jlmjvm> have 95,98,200,and xp working flawlessly
[18:45:44] <jlmjvm> well so far anyway,lol
[18:46:37] <Skullworks-PGAB> I still do all my serious Win work in W2K
[18:47:04] <jlmjvm> bout the best they ever made
[18:47:19] <jlmjvm> i still use it some
[18:47:49] <Skullworks-PGAB> I have a W95 (we called version D) cd here somewhere
[18:48:25] <Skullworks-PGAB> we hacked it up and put in the USB support from W98SE
[18:48:39] <Skullworks-PGAB> and some other tweaks
[18:48:54] <jlmjvm> Skullworks,did you try that tlo program yet?
[18:49:03] <DanielFalck> jlmjvm: thanks for the tlo program. I have an idea for a similar script
[18:49:32] <DanielFalck> with a text box showing the tbl file
[18:49:52] <jlmjvm> cool
[18:50:28] <DanielFalck> read the current file, place it in the text box, then write the whole thing when you're satisfied with it
[18:51:24] <DanielFalck> with all the same buttons and entry boxes that you have
[18:51:34] <jlmjvm> cool
[18:52:18] <jlmjvm> did you make a launcher for it yet?
[18:52:23] <DanielFalck> not yet
[18:52:48] <DanielFalck> did you add it to the axis gui?
[18:52:54] <jlmjvm> its too cool,1 mouse click,and dont have to minimize screen
[18:53:11] <jlmjvm> no,lower screen toolbar
[18:54:24] <eric_U> this might be useful for someone: http://cgi.ebay.com/Xylotex-3-axis-stepper-motor-controller-Used-but-good_W0QQitemZ150190695874QQihZ005QQcategoryZ71394QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[18:55:38] <Skullworks-PGAB> not me - too much stepper stuff here allready, I want to go all servo anyway.
[18:55:55] <eric_U> not recommending it :)
[18:56:57] <eric_U> I'm still happily bottom feeding for high end brushless servo systems on ebay
[18:57:53] <Skullworks-PGAB> I need to breakdown and order encoders
[18:58:08] <eric_U> what for?
[18:59:10] <eric_U> you have the cliftons? hard to keep other people's hardware straight sometimes
[19:00:15] <Skullworks-PGAB> I'm going to redesign the rear moter endcaps (bearing support etc) to have an enclosed fluid tight area for the encoder and a terminal strip in a seperate area for the motor windings to go directly into a flex conduit.
[19:00:35] <Skullworks-PGAB> I have Ametek's
[19:00:48] <jensor> I am trying to figure out the halui interface. I am running Axis. I select Machine from the menu and and then select "Show Hal Configuration", then select Pins, then Halui, then Joint and then I find that for all joints the pin halui.joint.?.is-selected is always false. Why doesn't it indicate true on the selected one?
[19:01:04] <jensor> The pins for halui.estop.is-activated, halui.machine.is-on, and halui.mode.is-manual, and halui.mode.is-mdi all respond true or false according to the condition. But no response from selecting x,y, or z on halui.joint?.is-selected.
[19:01:08] <Skullworks-PGAB> http://www.surpluscenter.com/item.asp?UID=2007062621461319&item=10-2351&catname=
[19:02:15] <Skullworks-PGAB> Camtronics sells these same units - modified for the E2 encoders for BP conversions
[19:02:29] <cradek> jensor: you want hal pins to show which axis is selected inside AXIS?
[19:02:44] <jensor> yes
[19:02:55] <Skullworks-PGAB> but they are all open - not coolanrt safe and the encoders he offers have no index
[19:03:07] <cradek> check the axisui.* pins
[19:03:25] <jensor> ok
[19:06:35] <cradek> Skullworks-PGAB: they look way too small for a bridgeport?
[19:06:44] <jlmjvm> DanielFalck:new rev in pastebin
[19:06:49] <jlmjvm> http://pastebin.ca/803885
[19:06:58] <Skullworks-PGAB> about 600 oz/in
[19:07:03] <DanielFalck> ok, I'm working on one now too : )
[19:07:15] <DanielFalck> I'll check it out in a bit
[19:07:22] <jlmjvm> shows current z pos when turned on ,instead of the number 11
[19:07:30] <DanielFalck> cool
[19:07:34] <Skullworks-PGAB> and camtronics uses 3:1 reduction
[19:07:37] <jlmjvm> just removed a typo basically
[19:08:20] <jensor69> crdek: It looks like I see the pins there that I need, Thanks. But I still wonder why they didn't respond under the halui.
[19:08:27] <eric_U> axis should show encoder changing even if the machine is off, correct?
[19:08:29] <Skullworks-PGAB> I'm using them direct drive on X/Y and 1.5:1 reduction on Z for a mini mill
[19:08:49] <cradek> eric_U: yes with machine off, command position tracks feedback position
[19:08:57] <jlmjvm> eric_U:yes
[19:09:01] <eric_U> bummer :)
[19:09:18] <cradek> otherwise, when you turn machine on, you get a position jump or following error
[19:09:20] <jlmjvm> thats how i could tell mine were working
[19:09:30] <eric_U> that's a good idea
[19:09:39] <eric_U> something wrong with my mesa/wiring
[19:10:18] <jensor69> Bye all
[19:11:02] <eric_U> my servo drives only put out 3v, but that should be enough I think
[19:11:52] <eric_U> to be clear, they only put out 3v on the encoder outputs
[19:38:47] <Dogfishguzzler> alex_joni:No luck on the l293d or anything close. Radio shack is'nt in that business anymore. They are all about overpriced remote controls and trying sell you a cell phone.
[19:39:33] <Dogfishguzzler> I found one local company that may be able to help but until tommorow I wont know.
[19:41:44] <tomp2> eric_U: the encoder outputs should come out of the encoder. If they have a 5V supply, then 3V means a lot of loss somewhere. If your servo drive is connected to the encoder ( some are ) then try checking without connecting the encoder's outputs to the servo drive ( to see if the servo drive is pulling the level down ) In a TTL system 3 volts is 'undefined' and will cause erratic position feedback.
[19:42:26] <eric_U> it's working now. I'll have to check the voltage
[19:42:59] <eric_U> my drives have an encoder pass-through
[19:45:03] <tomp2> right, it uses encoder like a tacho for internal speed loops ( or maybe can do positioning)
[19:45:10] <tomp2> the important thing would be integrity of the signal for the device it passes thru to.
[19:45:11] <tomp2> If its to the parport for instance , 3V is very iffy.
[19:45:31] <eric_U> sinusoidal brushless motors need the encoder
[19:45:47] <tomp2> timing
[19:46:39] <eric_U> I wasn't happy with three volts, but 2 different drives put it out.
[19:46:47] <tomp2> brand?
[19:47:10] <eric_U> electrocraft -- they are supposed to be putting out differential, negative side never changes
[19:54:42] <eric_U> do we know buckie? http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=374278#post374278
[19:56:08] <eric_U> oh, well, back to the coal mines
[19:58:26] <tomp2> i went to electrocraft but only found motors, not drives. The mesa stuff was made to run off 3V and is 'compatible' with 5. maybe that helps ( thats close to what 'Buckie' did. )
[20:01:44] <CIA-23> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/config/ini_homing_fr.lyx: fix some Lyx strangeness (can't have indexes_like_this, must separate by blank spaces not _)
[20:02:18] <tomp2> btw: did you know differential means you reference (put gnd lead of measuring device) to the neg and read the pos ( with pos lead of measuring device, usually a scope). never from pos to any other reference (like system gnd or 0V ... they are irrelevant )
[20:06:31] <eric_U> I was reading it in differential mode
[20:06:53] <eric_U> it's just that the schematic reads like there is an inverter on the reference
[20:07:50] <eric_U> electrocraft was bought by ab, don't know if you can find the manuals on their site any more. They used to have a helpful link
[20:09:54] <tomp2> does the schematic looks like it creates the differential? by inverting a copy ? then it should swing to the power supply rail of the inverter.
[20:10:04] <eric_U> it's the same drive as the ultra3000
[20:10:24] <eric_U> I have to look at the chip it's something like am26blah
[20:10:42] <eric_U> manual is downstairs in the man-cave
[20:14:21] <CIA-23> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/gcode/mill_canned_fr.lyx: remove stupid markup from chapter, lyx export really breaks if those are present
[20:21:39] <tomp2> eric_U: sure looks like ttl outputs. section 2.45 of manual http://literature.rockwellautomation.com/idc/groups/literature/documents/in/2098-in003_-en-p.pdf
[20:24:16] <CIA-23> 03alex_joni 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/config/stepconf_fr.lyx: change picture size to fit pdf page (the commit also borks up all lineendings.. seems lyx2lyx and lyx from dapper don't agree on where to put the linebreaks)
[20:48:58] <CIA-23> 03jepler 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/debian/changelog: note new fix
[20:53:52] <Dogfishguzzler> Hey guys, I'm compiling EMC and It wants path to RT or --use-simulator. What is the real time thing about, can I just use sim?
[20:54:57] <tomp2> Dogfishguzzler: do you want to run a machine or see what it's like
[20:55:19] <Dogfishguzzler> I want to run a machine
[20:55:43] <Dogfishguzzler> Crap, so I need to download more packages don't I ?
[20:56:00] <tomp2> Then you need RT, do you have RT ( did you install from the live CD ? the easy way to do it ;)
[20:56:14] <Dogfishguzzler> Live CD kept puking
[20:56:30] <Dogfishguzzler> So I nstalled xubuntu now Im doing EMC seprate
[20:56:55] <tomp2> it's likely easier to fix the puking than to build an rt kernel, what did you see happen?
[20:56:56] <Dogfishguzzler> This is on a non networked machine, I'm have to burn cds on this box and put them in the other
[20:57:35] <tomp2> ok, can the destination machine boot from a cd?
[20:57:42] <Dogfishguzzler> I was just super slow during installl and hangs up during different times, I tried about 8 times and each time it would hang at a different spot
[20:57:50] <Dogfishguzzler> Yes tomp2
[20:58:00] <Dogfishguzzler> It was super slow*
[20:58:07] <tomp2> got 512meg ram?
[20:58:20] <Dogfishguzzler> I dont think so, let me see how much it has brb
[20:58:56] <tomp2> min is 256 and that means no silly video stealing a few meg
[20:59:10] <Dogfishguzzler> lmao 192 megs
[20:59:39] <tomp2> read the minimum requirements before continuing, looking for url...
[20:59:53] <alex_joni> tomp2: for ubuntu you need at least 256
[21:00:04] <alex_joni> but xubuntu should be ok starting from 128
[21:00:09] <Dogfishguzzler> The OS is running fast and great
[21:00:09] <alex_joni> that's why I suggested it to Dogfishguzzler
[21:00:34] <alex_joni> Dogfishguzzler: xubuntu you mean?
[21:00:45] <tomp2> ok, i dont know where the live xubuntu cd comes from or how to guide you Dogfishguzzler
[21:00:56] <tomp2> sorry
[21:00:57] <Dogfishguzzler> alex_joni:yes
[21:01:39] <Dogfishguzzler> I'm not afraid to build emc but I dont want to have to bounce back and forth grabbing packages every ten minutes
[21:02:23] <alex_joni> Dogfishguzzler: you don't need to bounce forth and back..
[21:02:34] <Dogfishguzzler> It's on the cd?
[21:02:58] <alex_joni> Dogfishguzzler: in theory it should be possible to apt-cdrom add the live-cd (with emc2 on it)
[21:03:01] <alex_joni> and apt-get install emc2
[21:03:08] <alex_joni> it should also pull dependencies..
[21:03:14] <Dogfishguzzler> ahhh
[21:03:16] <Dogfishguzzler> ok
[21:03:20] <alex_joni> 'apt-cdrom add'
[21:03:24] <alex_joni> then stick the CD in
[21:03:31] <alex_joni> (err.. the other way around..)
[21:04:05] <Dogfishguzzler> brb
[21:07:12] <Dogfishguzzler> Okay apt-cdrom add worked but apt-get install emc2 says it can't find package and I know its on there.
[21:09:05] <jepler> only the packages in "pool/" on the cdrom can be installed in this way. emc2 is not one of those packages.
[21:10:11] <Dogfishguzzler> crap
[21:10:44] <Dogfishguzzler> So Im gonna have to build it
[21:12:05] <jepler> well that won't make you happy either, as there are many packages required to build emc from source that aren't a part of xubuntu
[21:12:23] <Dogfishguzzler> Yeah Im already seeing that
[21:12:45] <tomp2> is more mem an option?
[21:12:53] <Dogfishguzzler> Is there such a thing as xubuntu with emc live disc?
[21:13:01] <Dogfishguzzler> Not right now tomp2
[21:13:03] <tomp2> k
[21:13:15] <CIA-23> 03jepler 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/debian/changelog: bump version
[21:13:30] <alex_joni> Dogfishguzzler: you could also try to get the packages from the web
[21:14:08] <alex_joni> start with the packages from here: http://www.linuxcnc.org/emc2/dists/dapper/emc2.2/binary-i386/
[21:14:18] <jepler> the two things that will end up taking the least time are: add more RAM so the emc2 live cd will install; or temporarily move it and put it on the network
[21:14:19] <Dogfishguzzler> Yeah thats what Ive been doing but I have to burn them then put them on the other computer, no network on the other computer
[21:14:39] <tomp2> maybe install to hd while hd is in another host machine?
[21:14:43] <alex_joni> Dogfishguzzler: can't you temporarely put a network card in it?
[21:14:53] <alex_joni> tomp2: that leads to trouble sometimes
[21:14:58] <tomp2> k
[21:15:30] <Dogfishguzzler> Lemme try some of these from that last link.
[21:15:33] <Dogfishguzzler> thanks guys
[21:16:15] <jepler> you will need many packages, not just the "emc2" package. you should read about "apt-offline" to find out how to have apt help you find what packages you need
[21:16:37] <jepler> but that is assuming you won't take my earlier advice
[21:45:53] <CIA-23> 03jepler 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/VERSION: bump version after release
[21:45:54] <CIA-23> 03jepler 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/src/configure: bump version after release
[22:14:56] <CIA-23> 03tissf 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/Master_User_fr.lyx: French translation update
[22:21:58] <jlmjvm> DanielFalck:heres a better version,limits the number of decimal places
[22:22:02] <jlmjvm> http://pastebin.com/m4ed8f0fb
[22:27:18] <jlmjvm> jepler:thanks for the info earlier this week
[22:28:23] <CIA-23> 03tissf 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/ (Master_User_fr.lyx index_fr.tmpl): French translation
[22:28:25] <CIA-23> 03tissf 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/gcode/ (coordinates_fr.lyx main_fr.lyx mill_canned_fr.lyx): French translation
[22:28:25] <CIA-23> 03tissf 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/gui/axis_fr.lyx: French translation
[22:28:26] <CIA-23> 03tissf 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/ (intro_fr.lyx tutorial_fr.lyx): French translation
[22:28:26] <CIA-23> 03tissf 07v2_2_branch * 10emc2/docs/src/install/ (compiling_emc2_fr.lyx installing_emc2_fr.lyx): French translation