#emc | Logs for 2007-11-17

[00:00:21] <fenn> it's human greed and fear that's the problem
[00:00:52] <toastyde1th> i know plenty of businessmen who have overcome that
[00:01:01] <toastyde1th> real, tangible factors
[00:01:33] <toastyde1th> if you're convinced you are right
[00:01:38] <toastyde1th> put your money where your mouth is
[00:01:42] <toastyde1th> and start a business
[00:01:45] <toastyde1th> and find investors
[00:01:58] <fenn> i dont have any money, and investors are not going to invest in it because nobody's done it yet
[00:02:01] <toastyde1th> and overcome the obsticles, just like our present incarnation of the IC engine did
[00:02:08] <toastyde1th> oh you are such a bullshitter
[00:02:31] <toastyde1th> you can't do it, okay fine
[00:02:46] <fenn> seriously, why would anyone invest in me making some engine?
[00:02:57] <toastyde1th> oh my god.
[00:03:17] <toastyde1th> the same reason people invest in any new, disruptive technology
[00:03:27] <fenn> they don't invest in new disruptive technologies
[00:03:45] <toastyde1th> i know you really like to stick your thumbs in your ears and go "lalala
[00:03:48] <toastyde1th> but they DO
[00:03:50] <toastyde1th> and i've seen it
[00:03:54] <fenn> like what?
[00:03:57] <toastyde1th> and i work for folks who have had such things done
[00:04:06] <toastyde1th> and invested in due turn
[00:04:09] <toastyde1th> and it's paying off nicely
[00:04:33] <toastyde1th> fenn, just stick to your armchair and let people discuss a nice bit of machining
[00:04:41] <toastyde1th> instead of attacking any random link you see
[00:04:45] <toastyde1th> with fanatical bullshit
[00:05:03] <fenn> it's not any random link i see, it's a glorious example of wasted time
[00:05:14] <toastyde1th> that's the arguement every fanatic makes
[00:05:22] <toastyde1th> for any piece of technology they don't like
[00:05:33] <toastyde1th> if it was really a waste of time, it wouldn't have gone anywhere
[00:05:41] <toastyde1th> and it's your own, intrinsically personal fault
[00:05:47] <toastyde1th> for not being able to cope with that
[00:06:06] <fenn> if it didn't work, it's an experimental result that will help design something better
[00:06:18] <fenn> if it's a proven design, well, what does it prove? nothing
[00:06:32] <toastyde1th> hahah.
[00:06:39] <toastyde1th> you make me laugh, man
[00:06:43] <toastyde1th> and i can see this won't go anywhere
[00:07:41] <fenn> maybe this guy is doing all kinds of crazy experimental stuff in his engine, but i can't read swedish
[00:08:09] <toastyde1th> the POINT
[00:08:11] <toastyde1th> was the machining
[00:09:11] <fenn> look an engine! http://www.nvbackflow.com/engines/
[00:09:31] <fenn> isn't it beautiful?
[00:09:41] <toastyde1th> yeah, that's a lot of hard work.
[00:24:16] <skinnypuppy34> nice engine yes
[00:24:18] <tomp> his buddy has a gorgeous rolls royce v12 miniature, and his toolroom has a 'cortini' mill , tabletop cnc from the 1960's, very sturdy. cortini made machine for schools, even a little edm.
[00:24:46] <tomp> http://fly.to/orkenrud
[00:28:00] <toastyde1th> here's a video you guys may enjoy
[00:28:06] <toastyde1th> the good part is the middle of the vid
[00:28:07] <toastyde1th> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmS3LgfdT7E
[00:29:16] <fenn> yikes
[00:31:37] <fenn> why does it explode on the first hit like that?
[00:31:44] <toastyde1th> oil
[00:31:59] <toastyde1th> they hit the dies with this real thick grease, looks like engine sludge
[00:32:14] <toastyde1th> and on the first hit it explodes from the compression/heat
[00:35:04] <toastyde1th> the execss explodes, that is
[00:35:10] <toastyde1th> there's a thin film that stays around
[00:39:10] <fenn> looks exactly the same as the 1904 video
[00:39:16] <jmkasunich> heh
[00:53:11] <Ziegler> ever seen someone run a mill with an scale of 8 pulses per inch ?!
[00:53:21] <anonimasu> lol
[00:53:29] <Ziegler> thats what I said
[00:53:29] <anonimasu> Ziegler: sounds painful
[00:53:56] <anonimasu> does he/she use a normal switch and a toothed wheel?
[00:53:57] <Ziegler> I was trying to walk the guy through axis config
[00:54:12] <Ziegler> he has an 8 tooth / inch belt
[00:54:27] <anonimasu> oh but that dosent mean 8 pulses per inch
[00:54:43] <anonimasu> you still have 2 deg per step.. right?
[00:54:56] <Ziegler> directly on a stepper... that does 200 steps per rev
[00:55:00] <Ziegler> not me
[00:55:09] <anonimasu> yep
[00:55:43] <Ziegler> ah.. .he never mentioned the size of the wheel
[00:59:09] <jmkasunich> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fuHkxNPOLo
[00:59:10] <Ziegler> ok... 20 teeth on the wheel
[00:59:43] <Ziegler> so now thats... 160 pulses / inch
[00:59:44] <Ziegler> ?
[01:00:19] <tomp> jmkasunich: i like how it sticks to the top die and how he gets it out
[01:00:23] <jmkasunich> yeah
[01:00:36] <jmkasunich> damn, it stuck - just whack on it a bit
[01:01:49] <tomp> i just left jernberg forging after fixing an edm there, hot forging big universal joints and harley brake hubs. not anywhere as clean as that video
[01:04:34] <jmkasunich> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUg-6CN4gkQ&NR=1
[01:04:39] <jmkasunich> heavy bar forging
[01:06:30] <Ziegler> (200 pulse / rev) X (1 rev / 20 teeth) X (8 teeth / inch) = 80 pulse / inch
[01:06:32] <Ziegler> is that right?
[01:07:22] <jmkasunich> 200 pulses = 1 rev of a 20 tooth gear, which is running on an 8 tooth per inch rack?
[01:07:35] <Ziegler> ya
[01:08:38] <jmkasunich> sounds right to me
[01:09:17] <jmkasunich> pretty coarse, this isn't a machining application I assume?
[01:09:32] <Ziegler> Im helping a guy set up his mill
[01:09:37] <Ziegler> im scratching my head too
[01:09:45] <Ziegler> dunno how its going to be of any use
[01:12:29] <Ziegler> can emc even handle an axis scale of 80 ?
[01:12:45] <jmkasunich> I don't see why not
[01:13:06] <SkullWorks-PGAB> is that 200 step/rev or 200 pulses?
[01:13:16] <jmkasunich> emc outputs a floating point position to HAL, so it can change by .00001 at at time if it wants
[01:13:32] <jmkasunich> whenever the commanded position has moved by 1/80 of an inch, stepgen will send one step pulse
[01:13:50] <Ziegler> 200 steps / rev.. but he is whole stepping
[01:14:26] <SkullWorks-PGAB> Ouch!
[01:14:37] <Ziegler> hehe
[01:14:46] <Ziegler> I just want to see what the heck he is trying to do
[01:15:03] <jmkasunich> woodworking maybe ;-)
[01:15:13] <jmkasunich> log cabin parts
[01:15:18] <Ziegler> LOL
[01:15:52] <SkullWorks-PGAB> he's going to have some rapids...
[01:16:24] <eric_U> tomp actually here?
[01:16:29] <tomp> yah
[01:17:16] <eric_U> do you know the part numbers for yaskawa servomotor connectors
[01:18:06] <tomp> the hi density 4 row thingy?
[01:18:17] <eric_U> yes
[01:18:33] <tomp> wait, gottas lok it up , its in the pdf from automation direct tho
[01:18:44] <eric_U> and the mini centronics thing on the drive
[01:19:30] <SkullWorks-PGAB> I saw a dead BP with Textron stepper CNC and 30 NMTB spindle... I would have made an offer if I had space for the thing.
[01:19:45] <eric_U> series I?
[01:20:51] <SkullWorks-PGAB> not sure on Series - but it hand the uber heavy knee and table with full steel way covers
[01:21:22] <eric_U> the series II are a lot bigger
[01:21:33] <eric_U> did it have box ways on the table?
[01:22:03] <SkullWorks-PGAB> must have been a II then - cause I used to run the lighter version
[01:22:47] <SkullWorks-PGAB> I think it was box - not dovetail
[01:22:49] <eric_U> the series I only has a tiny travel
[01:23:15] <eric_U> actually, the series I doesn't need steel way covers either
[01:25:38] <SkullWorks-PGAB> someone started to try and get it running again - but didn't get far, conduits for the limit switches were just hanging...
[01:26:02] <eric_U> I haven't gotten far with mine either
[01:26:59] <SkullWorks-PGAB> I could tell it was stepper - had those old ,onster steppers with the huge cast fins...
[01:29:23] <SkullWorks-PGAB> It did have a fairly new Kurt Air powered drawbar unit on it.
[01:29:24] <eric_U> the great majority of BP CNC that you see for sale are stepper
[01:30:46] <SkullWorks-PGAB> this one was just sitting in the corner of a diesel emissions testing facility.
[01:30:57] <eric_U> that's where most of them are
[01:31:01] <eric_U> sitting in a corner
[01:31:30] <tomp> eric_U: >not< in automation direct pdf, must (might) be in yaskawa pdf...
[01:32:29] <eric_U> pretty sure they aren't in there, most companies will not tell you that
[01:32:47] <eric_U> and I looked in yaskawa
[01:34:23] <eric_U> I can find the one on the drive easy enough
[01:40:00] <tomp> http://www.yaskawa.com/site/dmservo.nsf/link2/MNEN-5CLKGN/$file/TSE-S800-15C.pdf see section 3,8,8 it has 3M mfctr numbers availabe from mouser
[01:40:50] <eric_U> thanks
[01:40:59] <tomp> ServoPack side 10236-52A2Jl from 3M
[01:41:36] <tomp> cable side 10136-300VE from 3M
[01:42:23] <tomp> cover 10336-52A0-008 by 3M
[01:42:51] <tomp> those were for 1cn , 2cn also is listed
[01:44:00] <eric_U> I have some of the small ones
[01:44:12] <SZTAKI> hi all
[01:44:17] <tomp> and you can hand build the expensive data cable , i made a firewire to db9 to usb adapter to save a couple dollars. the db9 to usb allowed my serial-port-less laptop to talk to it
[01:45:36] <eric_U> what about the motor side connectors?
[01:46:31] <SZTAKI> anyone knows how to use "comp" tool of HAL?
[01:47:36] <tomp> eric_U: also mouser, also same manual, i got right angle 'military' type. I think i had to fiddle the insides a bit for some reason... maybe i removed thiers and added mine for (again) cheap
[01:48:42] <eric_U> you have military style? Mine are plastic
[01:49:21] <eric_U> scrolling down to section 3.8.8
[01:50:40] <tomp> eric_U: yes, green hard die cast, split, keyed and ring screwed down, xtra heavy duty connectors.. thats what i replaced thiers with aka 'canon' gotta go, that forging house was filthy, and i'm gunking up the keyboard :(
[01:50:54] <eric_U> thanks, think I found it
[01:51:05] <tomp> great, bbl
[01:51:52] <eric_U> 70 whole cents, beats $26 for the connectors on some of the other motors I have
[02:04:37] <SZTAKI> I need some help finding the 'comp' tool for makeing HAL components in EMC2
[02:10:02] <Ziegler> gEDA
[02:21:13] <tomp> SZTAKI: is it in ~/youremcinstall/bin/comp ?
[02:23:33] <tomp> and the howto is http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?HowToWriteNewHalComponent
[02:23:50] <tomp> and examples at http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?ContributedComponents
[02:26:49] <tomp> Ziegler: my gEDA comps need a bit o work still, but i did write a python script to generate hal files. its crude but can grow into a tool. i have to find a place for methods in the gEDA item, and some way for the user to spec which threads ( or rely on text editor hacking :(
[02:27:14] <tomp> methods/functions
[02:30:08] <tomp> hmm, jepler's comp is a python script with a parser... spiffy, like what i want for the netlist to hal xl8r
[02:34:06] <tomp> eric_U: maybe mine were different, i had the 3kW motors
[02:35:34] <tomp> and the AD connector was straight, so added maybe 6 to 8 inches with the cable bend... thus the change to right angle cnx
[02:40:20] <tomp> argh I'm confusing the AD motors with the tiny SG yasakwa's... never mind
[02:41:33] <tomp> http://imagebin.org/11861
[03:56:31] <toastyde1th> toastyde1th is now known as toastydeath
[04:25:06] <toastydeath> fff
[06:42:02] <SkullWorks-PGAB> toasty 4095?
[06:47:20] <SkullWorks-PGAB> 111111111111
[06:54:58] <toastydeath> ?
[06:55:09] <toastydeath> skullworks-pgab: ?
[06:56:26] <toastydeath> i don't have "toasty" on highlight
[06:58:10] <toastydeath> IT IS NOW
[07:01:24] <SkullWorks-PGAB> FFF
[12:46:10] <anonimasu> 5morning
[13:03:10] <alex_joni> 14morning
[15:31:17] <pier_> pier_ is now known as pierp
[15:33:01] <Ziegler> hey... anyone have any ideas on how to tool path a point cloud of data. My initial thought was to convert the cloud to 3D and then load it into a CAM program. Is this the way to do it, or am I over thinking it.
[15:33:32] <cradek> are they in a grid?
[15:34:16] <Ziegler> yeah... every .002"
[15:34:28] <Ziegler> wait no they are not
[15:34:41] <Ziegler> but what if they were?
[15:34:49] <cradek> just G1 along the grid
[15:34:56] <Ziegler> ah
[15:35:06] <Ziegler> thats simple enough
[15:35:41] <Ziegler> thanks cradek
[15:35:45] <cradek> if they are very close together, be sure to use G64 Px
[15:36:07] <Ziegler> oh? I will have to look that up
[15:36:39] <cradek> it merges redundant points (like those in a straight line) into longer segments so it can go faster
[15:37:50] <Ziegler> oh thats convenient .. I assume the Px is to specify distance to ignore
[15:38:08] <cradek> yes tolerance
[15:38:47] <Ziegler> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?TrajectoryControl
[15:38:51] <Ziegler> cool
[15:39:00] <Ziegler> nice graphics on that page too
[15:52:17] <SZTAKI> hi all
[15:54:38] <SZTAKI> can anybody give me some help?
[15:55:57] <SZTAKI> where can I find the 'make'-file for my .comp files?
[16:02:33] <Ziegler> you compiled emc?
[16:31:09] <Ziegler> re ini files... what does [Display] Cycle_Time do?
[18:59:56] <alex_joni> Ziegler: if they are not on a grid, there are softwares out there which convert point cloud to mesh
[19:00:02] <alex_joni> mesh which you can then load in CAM..
[19:30:48] <jepler> if SZTAKI comes back, someone please direct him to http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?ContributedComponents#How_to_compile_and_install_a_component which should answer his question.
[19:31:19] <alex_joni> jepler: tomp already directed him at that page
[19:34:36] <jepler> alex_joni: yeah but not with that anchor .. maybe he wasn't interested in reading the whole thing
[19:38:05] <alex_joni> a clear case of RTFM
[19:56:16] <jmkasunich> a good day at HGR.... 8 pieces of THK SR20 linear bearings for $40
[19:56:27] <alex_joni> oh, nice
[19:56:30] <alex_joni> matching rails?
[19:56:46] <jmkasunich> no rails, just the bearings
[19:57:02] <jmkasunich> (they're captive ball ones, so no balls falling out)
[19:57:22] <alex_joni> coo
[19:57:23] <jmkasunich> seem to be in excellent condition, they were used somewhere clean
[19:57:44] <jmkasunich> also got a SR45 bearing and 400mm long rail for $20
[19:57:53] <jmkasunich> so I could build a machine!
[19:58:04] <jmkasunich> 4 SR20s for X, 4 for Y, and the SR45 for Z
[19:58:26] <alex_joni> heh, thought you had enough machines?
[19:58:50] <jmkasunich> yeah, just what I need, another project to start and not finish
[20:09:38] <jmkasunich> also, 3 carbide face mills for $30
[20:09:54] <jmkasunich> 2.25" 8 tooth, 3.25" 8 tooth, and 5" 15 tooth
[20:09:59] <jmkasunich> with inserts
[20:11:43] <alex_joni> hmm.. reading on RTnet.. not really excited
[20:12:23] <alex_joni> External event -> interrupt -> stack down -> wire -> stack up -> signal on
[20:12:23] <alex_joni> parallel port
[20:12:24] <alex_joni> that takes 60 us.
[20:20:53] <anonimasu> hehe
[20:20:55] <anonimasu> that's shitty.
[20:22:07] <alex_joni> well.. it includes 2 * latency in the PCs (that's about 30-40us)
[20:22:40] <anonimasu> :/
[20:22:45] <alex_joni> otoh you don't need more than 10kHz servo updates (or seldom need more..)
[20:23:10] <alex_joni> that means 100us if my math is right
[20:24:36] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[20:25:04] <anonimasu> http://www.aoc.nrao.edu/events/Real_Time/fieldbus/fieldbus.pdf
[20:25:16] <alex_joni> a 60 byte package takes about 6usec to travel
[20:25:46] <anonimasu> ah big packages too
[20:25:52] <anonimasu> that gets much better..
[20:26:03] <alex_joni> anonimasu: EtherCAT missing from that paper :D
[20:26:11] <anonimasu> hehe
[20:26:31] <anonimasu> ^_^
[20:26:31] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has a thing for EtherCAT
[20:26:59] <anonimasu> well, I dont have any hardware that uses it ;)
[20:27:21] <SkullWorks-PGAB> http://youtube.com/watch?v=n-wUdetAAlY
[20:27:48] <SkullWorks-PGAB> a short useless ditraction.
[20:29:50] <user__> user__ is now known as skinnypuppy34
[20:30:26] <skinnypuppy34> If I remember right that used to come on mtv /godzilla bambi
[20:36:01] <skinnypuppy34> Here's an OLD mickymouse in a new way... it gets good at 3:15 into it .
[20:36:02] <skinnypuppy34> http://youtube.com/watch?v=xy9s8iu0Uxo
[20:46:39] <alex_joni> is that your tune?
[20:49:15] <tomp> is that the 1st recording of air guitar ( skeleton plays ribs )?
[20:49:18] <skinnypuppy34> I didn't synch that up no, but it was energetic
[20:50:20] <alex_joni> it says: This is Skinny Puppy's "Warlock" (remix?)
[20:50:24] <skinnypuppy34> Alex that is a skinny puppy cover if you are wondering
[20:50:55] <skinnypuppy34> I forget what cover album it was several famous artists covered sp
[20:53:53] <fenn_> fenn_ is now known as fenn
[22:09:54] <skinnypuppy34> Are any of you using xmms for audio playback in 6.06 ? If so does the EQ change the sound any? I can't tell any difference at any setting. I'm trying to find an eq that will work in 606 if anybody has a suggestion
[22:12:11] <alex_joni> skinnypuppy34: did you enable the eq?
[22:14:09] <skinnypuppy34> pretty sure, eq window open and on highlited
[22:14:48] <alex_joni> hmm, sounds like you did it all.. worked for me though
[22:15:53] <skinnypuppy34> ballance and volume work fine.. wonder if I am missing some alsa piece
[22:32:33] <toastydeath> learning blacksmithing looks interesting
[22:32:41] <toastydeath> but i question the practical applications
[22:36:59] <anonimasu> hehe
[22:37:11] <anonimasu> toastydeath: yep
[22:45:40] <alex_joni> skinnypuppy34: I think it's done in software before alsoa
[22:45:44] <alex_joni> alsa even
[22:46:06] <skinnypuppy34> My neighbor does a good bit, power hammer is cool ... and forging billets together with anhydrous borax is pretty cool
[22:46:26] <anonimasu> is it profitable?
[22:46:43] <skinnypuppy34> If you can find some one with excess money that wants the real thing
[22:46:47] <anonimasu> rather is it economical to do so nowdays..
[22:46:48] <anonimasu> :p
[22:46:57] <anonimasu> ah.. art not practicality ;)
[22:47:07] <skinnypuppy34> He did a decorative gate job recently for a few grand
[22:48:31] <skinnypuppy34> Forge welding and brazing is about as practical as it has been for me personally
[22:48:48] <toastydeath> i could se getting a power hammer and using it for closed die forging
[22:48:56] <toastydeath> for small forms
[22:49:05] <toastydeath> *see
[22:50:42] <skinnypuppy34> Yes have thought about such ... we've got an airram hammer with about an 80lb ram with removeable dies ... it's not really my thing but I hang around when the metal is hot ;o)
[22:53:23] <toastydeath> lol
[22:56:29] <jmkasunich> toastydeath: this is for you: http://icanhascheezburger.files.wordpress.com/2007/11/funny-pictures-halo-dog-pew.jpg
[22:56:32] <Ziegler> in hal file how do I inert Y axis direction?
[22:56:49] <alex_joni> Ziegler: negative SCALE
[22:57:00] <toastydeath> haha i saw that
[22:57:04] <Ziegler> cant be done in hal?
[22:57:25] <alex_joni> Ziegler: sure.. but then it will jog on the screen in one direction, and the machine will go the other way
[22:57:33] <alex_joni> you can invert the dir pin
[22:57:50] <skinnypuppy34> Can that be done throught the gui for mirroring by chance ?
[22:57:56] <alex_joni> setp parport.0.pin-04-out-invert 1
[22:58:02] <Ziegler> right I am looking to invert y direction
[22:58:09] <alex_joni> or soemthing like that, you'll have to look up the pin name
[23:01:12] <Ziegler> setp parport.0.pin-08-out-invert 1
[23:01:12] <Ziegler> net zdir => parport.0.pin-08-out
[23:01:24] <alex_joni> Ziegler: yup
[23:01:37] <Ziegler> danke
[23:02:10] <alex_joni> gerne
[23:03:02] <Ziegler> alright out to test the machine
[23:03:41] <alex_joni> hey ray
[23:03:56] <rayh> Hi Alex
[23:05:07] <alex_joni> how's it going ray?
[23:05:46] <rayh> Not bad. Got a poor hold on my dialup today but...
[23:06:33] <rayh> Trying some stuff on Ubuntu 7.04 I think.
[23:06:51] <rayh> How are you doing there. Is it winter yet?
[23:07:02] <alex_joni> 7.04?
[23:07:20] <alex_joni> yeah, feels like winter.. had a little bit of snow today (it melted shortly afterwards)
[23:08:33] <rayh> We've got a couple inches on the ground.
[23:08:47] <rayh> Lake is still open but should freeze over next week sometime.
[23:09:04] <alex_joni> then it's iceskating time :)
[23:09:51] <rayh> I get a sore butt just thinking about trying that. I'm not very coordinated on skates.
[23:10:39] <rayh> You guys have done a great job with the new release.
[23:10:53] <alex_joni> you tried it out?
[23:11:14] <rayh> Interesting stepper configurator. Still klunky but a good start.
[23:11:35] <rayh> Right been using with a Sherline mill and a couple Smithy mills.
[23:12:30] <alex_joni> cool.. let us know if you find anything
[23:12:48] <rayh> You bet I will.
[23:13:10] <rayh> Sherline is talking about upgrading to the latest.
[23:13:38] <alex_joni> yeah, they're a bit behind :)
[23:13:59] <alex_joni> btw, I'm planning to do a new version when 8.04 comes out
[23:14:00] <rayh> Way back but Joe says EMC has been good to him.
[23:14:11] <alex_joni> that'll be the new LTS
[23:14:13] <rayh> Lots of machines sold with it.
[23:14:31] <alex_joni> rayh: glad to hear that
[23:14:40] <rayh> new LTS -- 6.06?
[23:15:29] <rayh> On the CD you released the other day?
[23:15:51] <alex_joni> the CD I released the other day only has an updated emc2 on it
[23:15:57] <alex_joni> along with regular Ubuntu updates
[23:16:05] <alex_joni> but it's still 6.06 Dapper Drake LTS
[23:16:28] <alex_joni> the next Ubuntu version 8.04 Hardy Heron (release 2008 April) will be Ubuntu's next LTS
[23:16:45] <alex_joni> so I'm planning to get emc2 going on that, to replace the dapper platform eventually
[23:16:46] <rayh> Ah okay.
[23:17:05] <alex_joni> but so far it's only plans.. gotta see how RT friendly it will be
[23:17:11] <rayh> Good because the ending date of 6.06 is beginning to make me nervous.
[23:17:20] <alex_joni> 2009 iirc
[23:18:20] <rayh> When Ubuntu kills off a repository like they did recently for 5.10 it really leaves an install hanging.
[23:18:51] <rayh> I've been building trunk on that until there was a new addition for the docs. That did it.
[23:20:23] <alex_joni> they didn't kill it for good I think
[23:21:59] <alex_joni> http://emergent.unpythonic.net/01186407274
[23:24:04] <rayh> I don't think there is anything at the old repository any more.
[23:24:26] <rayh> And I don't see a repository at that location either.
[23:24:35] <rayh> Just the iso
[23:26:01] <alex_joni> http://old-releases.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/
[23:26:36] <alex_joni> it's all still there..
[23:26:44] <rayh> Ah okay.
[23:26:56] <alex_joni> (just need to put old-releases.ubuntu.com in your apt/sources.list
[23:28:34] <rayh> Okay I'll try it after a bit.
[23:28:40] <rayh> Thanks again.
[23:37:26] <alex_joni> np..
[23:37:33] <alex_joni> but it won't see any updates from now on afaik
[23:42:20] <user__> user__ is now known as skinnypuppy34
[23:56:53] <alex_joni> hahaha
[23:57:01] <alex_joni> someone just entered #cia
[23:57:10] <alex_joni> 01:52 < N1ACT> I want to hack cia satelites, how?
[23:57:40] <toastydeath> hahaha
[23:57:41] <cradek> first learn to spell satellite
[23:58:47] <alex_joni> 01:54 < alex_joni> you need a secure connection to a FBI satellite first