#emc | Logs for 2007-11-05

[04:01:48] <jmkasunich__> <rant> someday there will be enough Linux users that device manufacturers will be forced to stop treating us like second class citizens
[04:02:18] <jmkasunich__> new printer comes with drivers for windows and mac, trivially easy to install
[04:02:21] <jmkasunich__> and work fine
[04:02:42] <jmkasunich__> three days googling and testing things, and the Linux drivers still don't work
[04:02:55] <jmkasunich__> </rant>
[04:03:46] <SWPadnos> what printer?
[04:03:57] <jmkasunich__> Epson R1800
[04:04:00] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[04:04:26] <jmkasunich__> Epson is actually considered one of the more Linux friendly makers, one of the reasons I bought this printer
[04:05:08] <SWPadnos> http://www.linux-foundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/Database/SuggestedPrinters
[04:05:31] <SWPadnos> we have an 885C I think, and it works fine
[04:05:44] <SWPadnos> though we haven't tried any photos yet, AFAIK
[04:06:12] <jmkasunich__> the only thing I've tried is photos, thats what I got it for
[04:06:27] <SWPadnos> makes sense with the 6-color version :)
[04:06:32] <SWPadnos> ours is CMYK
[04:06:48] <jmkasunich__> prints through either Gimp or lp have a yellow cast, as if the default color profiles are borked
[04:07:24] <SWPadnos> hmmm. I think color profiling / profile management is one of those things that doesn't work well on Linux in general
[04:07:43] <SWPadnos> at least that's what most of the photographers I talk to say - they could be wrong
[04:08:00] <jmkasunich__> and prints through lp also have some other issue that results in the leading and trailing edge of the print being messed up - its as if some of the nozzles don't print near either end of the pring
[04:08:19] <SWPadnos> odd
[04:08:42] <jmkasunich__> color management is usually about getting the last little bit of performance and accuracy out of the printer
[04:08:48] <jmkasunich__> (in either Linux or doze)
[04:09:11] <jmkasunich__> the doze driver, without downloading or generating color profiles, does a fine job with the defaults
[04:09:28] <SWPadnos> that's the hope, but like many things, I'm willing to bet that a maufacturer will make a cheaper piece of hardware if they thinnk they can calibrate / correct it in software
[04:09:32] <SWPadnos> ah
[04:09:55] <SWPadnos> have you tried the Epson driver?
[04:10:27] <jmkasunich__> that "PIPS" thing?
[04:10:50] <jmkasunich__> no, I've been using Gutenprint (formerly known as Gimp-Print)
[04:10:51] <SWPadnos> could be. that page mentioned that they have an "almost free" driver
[04:10:53] <SWPadnos> ok
[04:12:26] <jmkasunich__> bastids: http://avasys.jp/hp/page000001100/hpg000001022.htm
[04:12:52] <SWPadnos> I stop download service for buffalo
[04:12:54] <SWPadnos> :)
[04:13:08] <SWPadnos> sure is a long maintenance window
[04:13:47] <jmkasunich__> the pages for laser, scanner, MFP, and all-in-one still work
[04:13:51] <jmkasunich__> only inkjet is down
[04:13:56] <jmkasunich__> bastids
[04:14:07] <SWPadnos> hmmm. I guess I have to agree then
[04:14:08] <SWPadnos> bastids
[04:50:46] <The_BallJ> The_BallJ is now known as The_Ball
[07:10:26] <SkullWorks-PGAB> * SkullWorks-PGAB wonders if OS X printer drivers might be hijacked for linux use?
[08:34:29] <Jymmm> SkullWorks-PGAB: FBSD use maybe
[13:43:34] <skunkworks471> skunkworks471 is now known as skunkworks_
[13:52:14] <fenn_> fenn_ is now known as fenn
[13:56:44] <jepler> jepler has changed the topic to: Welcome! EMC (Enhanced Machine Controller) is a linux-based opensource CNC control. | Latest release: EMC 2.2.0 | http://www.linuxcnc.org | http://wiki.linuxcnc.org
[13:56:47] <jepler> EMC 2.2.0 is released!
[13:56:57] <skunkworks_> Great job :)
[14:30:18] <skunkworks_> jepler: how has the luck been on the livecd?
[14:32:37] <anonimasu> nice!
[14:32:41] <anonimasu> congratulations
[14:33:57] <fenn> i just got a package from austria
[14:34:22] <fenn> as5046 magnetic encoders
[14:37:43] <jepler> skunkworks_: I worked some towards a gutsy live cd, but it doesn't work
[14:38:02] <jepler> the last one wouldn't even finish booting; the earlier ones would usually boot to the desktop but be uninstallable for a reason I don't understand
[14:39:42] <skunkworks_> jepler: ewww
[14:52:10] <tomp2> jepler: et al, thanks for the work on 2.2
[15:02:24] <skunkworks_> I thought the pluto was being dis-continued.. It looks like you just can't get it until december.
[15:31:35] <gene____> hi all, back from telling my daughter goodbye, she has maybe a week left, cancer. 3100 mile trip
[15:32:40] <gene____> jepler; your gpg key isn't found
[15:45:11] <gene____> ok, got jeffs key finally, but had to apt-get install synaptic, and now its ignoring the mouse. ideas anyone?
[15:46:11] <skunkworks_> gene____: sorry to hear that. I cannot imagine what you are going thru.
[15:48:25] <alex_joni> gene____: ditto
[16:22:47] <gene____> thanks guys. I think synaptic is done with the upgrade, and I'm wrestling with a tiller since the garden is frost history, back in an hour or so
[17:15:40] <JimC> JimC is now known as Jcoleman
[17:18:24] <LawrenceG> fenn: how do those encoders look?.... I ordered some samples as well...
[17:29:17] <Jcoleman> anyone know if ill run into problems if i put a laptop hard drive in my desktop to install emc on then put it in the laptop to run? i dont have a cd rom drive in the lappy and want to use it for my initial explorations into emc and hal
[17:31:21] <skunkworks_> first question is - you have an adaptor to go between ide and laptop hardrive?
[17:32:39] <skunkworks_> hmm
[17:33:24] <SWPadnos> I wonder how any OS would be installed on such a laptop
[17:33:52] <SWPadnos> you certainly can't do the hard drive trick with Windows (not too easily anyway)
[17:33:59] <skunkworks_> no
[17:34:10] <skunkworks_> I have no clue how it would work with linux
[17:34:17] <SWPadnos> hmmm. nor with Ubuntu, unless you know the dpkg-reconfigure trick
[17:34:29] <SWPadnos> it works fine, since Linux has the drivers for all hardware included with it
[17:35:14] <SWPadnos> Windows has a problem if the chipset changes, or if you change between ACPI and non-ACPI systems, or if the IDE/whatever disk controller changes, etc.
[17:35:57] <SWPadnos> the main problem with Ubuntu would be that X wouldn't work unless the graphics chipset is the same, which is why you need to know about "dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg"
[17:35:57] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: usually I would copy the installer to harddisk on another machine
[17:36:02] <skunkworks_> I have had pretty good luck with windows - ofor as often as I have done it.. I remember intel to amd or vise versa didn't work too well. but it has been a while.
[17:36:32] <alex_joni> I tried it a couple times, it never worked right
[17:36:42] <SWPadnos> with Windows?
[17:36:48] <skunkworks_> yes
[17:36:54] <SWPadnos> alex, with Windows?
[17:36:56] <SWPadnos> :)
[17:36:58] <alex_joni> yeah
[17:37:11] <alex_joni> linux always worked without issues
[17:37:20] <alex_joni> (mostly server installs without X..)
[17:37:54] <SWPadnos> skunkworks_, sure - I know you can move drives around and stuff, but it's a PITA. you usually have the best outcome if you delete everything motherboard-related from the device manager before removing the drive from the "install machine", then let Windows re-detect it in the target machine
[17:38:23] <SWPadnos> I think you had to do some special tricks to make the IDE controller "generic IDE controller", or it couldn't find the boot disk
[17:38:25] <skunkworks_> right
[17:38:49] <SWPadnos> and there is no way to cahnge between ACPI and non-ACPI except by reinstalling.
[17:38:53] <SWPadnos> change
[17:39:15] <SWPadnos> alex_joni, all you need is dpkg-reconfigure, from my experience
[17:40:01] <SWPadnos> I've got a laptop drive that I've used in one of these embedded machines, and that was all that was needed (going from P3 to core2duo, ATI Rage moblie to Intel 965 video, etc)
[17:40:47] <SWPadnos> then there's the full-size SATA drive that I originally installed on my dual-processor Opteron+nvidia vide, which also works great in an embedded box with C2D+i965
[17:41:04] <alex_joni> well.. I used to do this way back :)
[17:41:09] <SWPadnos> heh
[17:41:15] <alex_joni> (roughly around SuSE 8 or before)
[17:41:18] <SWPadnos> it "Just Works" (tm)
[17:41:33] <alex_joni> nowadays I don't really see the need anymore
[17:41:50] <alex_joni> most anything can boot from USB cdrom's, floppies, even sticks
[17:41:58] <SWPadnos> oh sure. I think I did that first on a Gentoo box, sometime around the 2.4 kernel development cycle
[17:44:29] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: going to germany soon?
[17:44:47] <SWPadnos> possibly at the beginning of December - why do you ask?
[17:44:57] <alex_joni> whereto?
[17:45:24] <SWPadnos> Jena and Gottingen or Berlin, depending on where my sister is.
[17:45:28] <alex_joni> * alex_joni will be in stuttgart last week of november
[17:45:37] <alex_joni> oh, cool
[17:45:39] <SWPadnos> hmmm. I'll be in New York then :)
[17:45:46] <alex_joni> wanna trade?
[17:45:50] <alex_joni> :-P
[17:45:52] <SWPadnos> hmmm. nope :)
[17:46:08] <alex_joni> thought so :D
[17:46:20] <SWPadnos> I missed my father's 70th birthday a couple of weeks ago - I figure I should visit before too long.
[17:46:33] <alex_joni> well.. you should
[17:46:43] <SWPadnos> I agree
[17:46:57] <SWPadnos> and the annoying thing is that the machine still hasn't shipped, but at least my part is more or less done
[17:47:29] <alex_joni> not really
[17:47:53] <SWPadnos> ?
[17:48:04] <alex_joni> you said you were going to take some pictures
[17:48:10] <SWPadnos> heh
[17:48:17] <SWPadnos> I'll see if they'll let me
[17:48:26] <SWPadnos> it's a surprisingly compact machine
[17:48:44] <SWPadnos> only ~12 x 6 x 8 feet or so
[17:48:49] <alex_joni> I means of your boards
[17:48:57] <SWPadnos> oh, I have more of those :)
[17:51:53] <fenn> LawrenceG: they look... small
[17:53:01] <fenn> ssop 20 pins or so, maybe 5x5mm
[17:53:21] <alex_joni> fenn: what's the necessary distance?
[17:53:58] <fenn> depending on the magnet strength, 0.25-5mm but it seems like 0.25mm is the norm
[17:54:06] <alex_joni> oh, quite close
[17:54:08] <fenn> and it has to be well centered (within 1mm)
[17:54:10] <SWPadnos> Jcoleman, you should be able to install in a desktop then move to a laptop. You'll probably need to fix the GUI setup with this command: `dpkg-reconfigure xserver-xorg`
[17:54:42] <alex_joni> (if it stops working when you move the harddrive to the other machine)
[17:55:23] <Jcoleman> ok, glad it aint like windows
[17:57:15] <fenn> alex_joni: conveniently, it has a magnet distance readout, so you dont have to actually measure the distance
[17:57:51] <fenn> i think centering is not as easy maybe
[17:58:17] <fenn> 1mm is wrong, its more like +/- 0.25mm
[17:59:02] <fenn> the field has to be split north/south within a 1.1mm circle, and the further off center the less accurate the reading (but it can be calibrated out)
[17:59:57] <fenn> but.. 12 bit absolute position at 10kHz!
[18:00:00] <alex_joni> well.. let me know how they work :)
[18:06:12] <skunkworks_> logger_emc: bookmark
[18:06:12] <skunkworks_> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2007-11-05.txt
[18:10:13] <skunkworks_> fenn: what are you hoping to use them for?
[18:27:58] <lewin1> lewin1 is now known as lewing
[18:36:19] <awallin> happy TooToo day to everyone...
[18:42:05] <skunkworks_> Too Too day?
[18:46:47] <Dallur> ?
[18:48:36] <skunkworks_> <awallin> happy TooToo day to everyone...
[18:54:55] <awallin> 2.2 ;)
[18:56:40] <skunkworks_> ah
[18:58:22] <fenn> skunkworks_: cheap replacement for optical encoders and associated hardware, in general
[19:00:41] <fenn> where am i going to get a magnet for this stupid thing
[19:05:06] <skunkworks_> fenn: thier site had sources I thought.
[19:05:09] <skunkworks_> their
[19:05:38] <fenn> yes its quite annoying that they'll send you free samples of the chips but not magnets
[19:05:53] <skunkworks_> how do they compare to the amt ones? I see they are only serial/analog output. (amt are quadture)
[19:06:05] <fenn> amt?
[19:06:25] <skunkworks_> http://www.cui.com/amt/AMTtech.asp
[19:07:58] <fenn> well, it's non-contact for one thing - how do these AMT thingies work?
[19:08:25] <skunkworks_> I thought they worked similar. non contact magnetic
[19:08:52] <fenn> proprietary, capacitive, code-generating technology
[19:09:07] <fenn> i guess that means 'go read the patent you loser'
[19:09:49] <fenn> well for one thing they are $10 vs $30 in qty 1
[19:10:07] <skunkworks_> but they come with both parts ;)
[19:10:15] <fenn> meh
[19:10:20] <fenn> the magnets are $1
[19:10:26] <fenn> if you can find them :P
[19:10:48] <fenn> anyway, it doesnt look like an encoder unless you get the incremental output version
[19:10:53] <fenn> but see, incremental output sucks
[19:11:09] <fenn> i'd much rather sample the thing once per servo period and have it just tell me where it's at
[19:11:36] <fenn> then i dont have to worry about noise at all (except for CRC checks and stuff)
[19:13:02] <SWPadnos> but you can't tell if you missed a full rev
[19:13:11] <SWPadnos> or two
[19:13:28] <fenn> oh noes
[19:13:33] <skunkworks_> the output is absolute I think
[19:13:39] <skunkworks_> right?
[19:13:42] <SWPadnos> absolute, but probably not multi-turn
[19:13:42] <fenn> skunkworks_: it's absolute over one rev
[19:13:47] <skunkworks_> ah
[19:13:48] <skunkworks_> ok
[19:14:00] <skunkworks_> well - you have to stay under X rpm
[19:14:04] <SWPadnos> so if you don't get some index and/or direction input, you can't tell what's happened
[19:14:05] <fenn> yeah like 300,000 rpm
[19:14:11] <SWPadnos> heh
[19:14:20] <SWPadnos> yes, it should be a very high RPM
[19:15:03] <fenn> SWPadnos: why do you need an index or direction?
[19:15:07] <SWPadnos> technically, you can't tell the difference between going almost 2 revs forward, or 2 counts backward if one reading is "1" and the next is "N-1, with index flag"
[19:15:25] <SWPadnos> though it's probably reasonably easy to figure it out
[19:15:47] <fenn> i'd like to see something that can accelerate from 300,000 rpm to 600,000 rpm in 96us
[19:16:11] <SWPadnos> EMC still needs to have multi-turn capability, so it needs to be able to tell which way the encoder was going if the index/home mark was seen
[19:16:57] <gene____> back, and I've done the linkpp replacement with net in standard_pinout.hal, but I'm now getting this:
[19:17:14] <gene____> standard_pinout.hal:21: Signal name 'iocontrol.0.user-enable-out' may not be the same as a pin.
[19:17:28] <cradek> gene____: rename the signal
[19:17:40] <fenn> SWPadnos: emc doesnt get "more realtime" than 10khz when doing anything with an index pulse
[19:17:40] <gene____> whats the std fix? To what
[19:17:58] <SWPadnos> probably not
[19:18:02] <fenn> gene: use net instead of linkpp
[19:18:10] <gene____> I did that
[19:18:24] <renesis> hey guys hey guys
[19:18:35] <renesis> how can i call subcode with specified numbers of loops?
[19:18:55] <alex_joni> you pass parameters
[19:18:56] <gene____> and that line now looks like this:
[19:18:58] <cradek> renesis: keep a counter, and use 'while'
[19:19:00] <gene____> net iocontrol.0.user-enable-out iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in
[19:19:18] <alex_joni> gene____: you need a name too
[19:19:18] <fenn> gene: syntax for net is different, it's "net signal-name pin pin"
[19:19:25] <alex_joni> net loop pin pin
[19:19:36] <renesis> cradek: o-word stuff?
[19:19:37] <renesis> k
[19:19:56] <gene____> as in 'net loop pin 0 pin 0'?
[19:20:03] <alex_joni> yup
[19:20:19] <renesis> omg geda?
[19:20:27] <renesis> those apps made me cry
[19:21:16] <renesis> or weird youre talking about a hal config?
[19:21:25] <renesis> you guys gave me geda flashbacks =\
[19:22:13] <gene____> now 'no such pin as 0' or words to that effect
[19:22:52] <gene____> looks like I need to go study the wiki in the 2.20 notice.
[19:23:43] <SWPadnos> gene____, `net enable-loop iocontrol.0.user-enable-out iocontrol.0.emc-enable-in`
[19:23:48] <renesis> okay o words dont look so hard
[19:24:20] <renesis> lots of brackets, k ty bye
[19:24:38] <SWPadnos> seeya
[19:24:57] <alex_joni> bye
[19:32:35] <gene____> ok, the wiki is zero help here, so what to do with this line 26?
[19:32:37] <gene____> standard_pinout.hal:26: Signal 'enable-loop' may not add OUT pin 'iocontrol.0.tool-change'
[19:33:02] <alex_joni> you already have a writer
[19:33:15] <alex_joni> (did you use the same name for both loops?)
[19:33:23] <alex_joni> net estop-loop ...
[19:33:31] <alex_joni> net toolchange-loop ...
[19:33:45] <gene____> nuke these lines then?:
[19:34:06] <gene____> net loop iocontrol.0.tool-prepare iocontrol.0.tool-prepared
[19:34:06] <gene____> net enable-loop iocontrol.0.tool-change iocontrol.0.tool-changed
[19:34:10] <gene____> net loop iocontrol.0.tool-prepare iocontrol.0.tool-prepared
[19:34:10] <gene____> net enable-loop iocontrol.0.tool-change iocontrol.0.tool-changed
[19:34:19] <gene____> irc is slow, sorry
[19:34:23] <SWPadnos> do you have two copies like that?
[19:34:35] <alex_joni> you need only one copy of each :)
[19:34:41] <gene____> I don't think so, but I also don't have a tool changer
[19:35:05] <SWPadnos> emc needs to be tricked into thinking that you do, so it can continue after a tool change command
[19:35:06] <alex_joni> gene____: can you pastebin.ca your .hal file?
[19:35:07] <gene____> I hit the mouse twice :(
[19:35:19] <SWPadnos> also, look up hal_manualtoolchange
[19:35:28] <SWPadnos> you do have a tool changer, it's just you ;)
[19:35:34] <alex_joni> AI toolchanger
[19:35:38] <alex_joni> with fuzzy logic
[19:35:39] <SWPadnos> NI
[19:35:45] <SWPadnos> Natural Intelligence
[19:35:47] <alex_joni> don't say it
[19:35:55] <SWPadnos> not National Instruments - of course not
[19:36:58] <gene____> 762569 on pastebin.ca
[19:37:24] <gene____> chuckle that fits perfectly...
[19:37:52] <gene____> why not Alex?
[19:38:24] <SWPadnos> you do have two enable-loop lines, number 23 and 27
[19:38:49] <gene____> ahh, nuke 27 then, brb.
[19:39:00] <SWPadnos> maybe name the three signals "enable-loop", "prep-loop", and "change-loop"
[19:39:04] <SWPadnos> you need all three I think
[19:39:12] <SWPadnos> tool changed is not the same as tool prepared
[19:39:55] <gene____> well, that got a little farther:
[19:40:04] <gene____> emc/task/emctask.cc 312: interp_error: Required parameter missing
[19:40:04] <gene____> Required parameter missing
[19:40:04] <gene____> emc/task/emctaskmain.cc 2629: can't initialize interpreter
[19:40:33] <SWPadnos> look again at the list of changes in 2.2 - you probably need a new var file
[19:41:18] <SWPadnos> UVW axes were added, so there need to be vars for them. somehow, that nukes 5221 - the active coordinate system
[19:41:41] <SWPadnos> just copy the var file from a sample config, if you haven't intentionally changed anything in it
[19:43:48] <gene____> I don't recall that I have, but there is always the CRS factor.
[19:49:32] <gene____> no diff between /home/gene/emc2/examples/stepper.var and the one its using, but there is also one in the /etc/tree, which is the correct one?
[19:52:02] <gene____> Apparently the one in the /etc tree is correct, its running axis sucessfully now
[19:53:06] <SWPadnos> yes, the one in your home dir is what was copied when you first made that config
[19:53:16] <SWPadnos> so it was based on whatever version you had installed at that time
[19:54:17] <gene____> and the one in /etc/emc2/examples-config is now correct syntacticly. Good. Now I need to go see the sawbones again, he has called and is yelling abut my choleserol and a high psa, thanks muchly for now.
[19:54:32] <SWPadnos> heh - good luck
[20:12:03] <renesis> heh, is there a way to test my oword gcode without locking up axis?
[20:12:27] <SWPadnos> press escape when the preview is being generated
[20:12:31] <cradek> you probably wrote an infinite loop
[20:13:01] <renesis> noop, esc didnt work
[20:13:11] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[20:13:15] <SWPadnos> I thought it was supposed to
[20:13:23] <skunkworks_> try ctrl break
[20:13:38] <SWPadnos> try sudo kill ... ;)
[20:13:52] <renesis> heh
[20:14:04] <renesis> okay it made some part like 1800 inches tall
[20:14:12] <renesis> so cradek prob got that one right
[20:15:11] <renesis> NE = not equal?
[20:15:17] <alex_joni> yup
[20:17:31] <renesis> #11=5. ; o001 do ; [stuff] ; #11=[#11-1] ; o001 while [#11 NE 0]
[20:17:48] <renesis> that should loop like 5 time, no?
[20:17:52] <cradek> try GT 0 instead
[20:17:53] <SWPadnos> while [#11 GE 0]
[20:18:00] <cradek> yeah, or GE
[20:18:02] <SWPadnos> right - GT
[20:18:03] <renesis> k
[20:18:03] <SWPadnos> heh
[20:18:05] <cradek> whatever
[20:18:14] <SWPadnos> if it ends up being 0.0000000000001, the loop will never end
[20:18:29] <SWPadnos> since it will then be nearly -1, and on from there
[20:18:53] <renesis> sexy
[20:18:56] <renesis> thank you
[20:59:24] <Jcoleman_> Jcoleman_ is now known as Jcoleman
[21:03:08] <skinnypupcnc> g1 x-.1 y-.1
[21:03:44] <skinnypupcnc> err sorry....
[21:04:18] <Vq^> g01 on you to :)
[21:04:35] <cradek> m2
[21:09:57] <skinnypupcnc> Got my resonance prob fixed from the other day, reduced the max_acceleration, and I had backlash a bit off. Combination of those two buzzed it out when reversing directions on that axis.
[21:12:20] <alex_joni> heh, nice page though
[21:28:51] <Jcoleman_> Jcoleman_ is now known as Jcoleman
[22:01:06] <Jcoleman_> Jcoleman_ is now known as Jcoleman
[22:15:28] <Jcoleman_> Jcoleman_ is now known as Jcoleman
[22:30:54] <gene____> back from the sawbones, ran the axis splash just fine. Thanks guys, out for the night. Thunderboomers and rain are about here in WV.
[22:31:10] <SWPadnos> luvvvly
[22:31:19] <SWPadnos> hey gene____, how far from Asheville are you?
[22:31:56] <alex_joni> good night guys
[22:32:32] <gene____> Asheville. not fam with that town
[22:32:39] <SWPadnos> it's in NC :)
[22:32:57] <SWPadnos> near I-40 and I-85 I think
[22:33:42] <gene____> Oh, 2-300 miles probably, I'm at mile 99 on I79 where mile 1 is Charleston WV
[22:33:59] <SWPadnos> ah - ok.
[22:34:22] <gene____> You had something on your mind Steven?
[22:34:45] <SWPadnos> oh - a friend just moved to Asheville, and we'll probably visit sometime in the next 6 months or so
[22:35:05] <SWPadnos> just wondering how far you were from there (in case I need something to do whiule the ladies are gabbing or something ;) )
[22:35:14] <gene____> and you were wondering how far off the beaten path I was :)
[22:35:21] <SWPadnos> heh - yep
[22:35:56] <gene____> Well, thats quite a trip for a cuppa :-)
[22:36:12] <SWPadnos> yep, sure is
[22:37:30] <gene____> Anytime, just gimme a warning call, I'm in the weston phone book under 'Heskett' & good night, the rain has started for sure now.
[22:37:42] <SWPadnos> see you. thanks
[22:48:02] <user__> I'm installing 2.2 from tar and get tcl lib not found error. I see 8.0 8.3 and 8.4 avail able in synaptic which do I need?
[22:49:53] <SWPadnos> where did you get a tar of emc2 2.2
[22:49:55] <SWPadnos> ?
[22:50:22] <jepler> look at debian/control.in for the ubuntu dapper package names
[22:50:31] <jepler> we use tcl8.4-dev tk8.4-dev as a build-depends
[22:50:35] <SWPadnos> to answer your question, I think it's tcl8.4 that you want. don't know the package name
[22:50:40] <SWPadnos> what he said
[22:51:11] <SWPadnos> ah - a CVS tarball, my brain finally catches up :)
[22:51:40] <user__> http://downloads.sourceforge.net/emc/emc2.2.0.tar.gz
[22:51:56] <user__> I'll get 8.4 thanks guys !
[22:52:08] <SWPadnos> oh - I sometimes forget we still have things on SF :)
[22:58:42] <user__> configure: error: Required header Python.h missing.
[22:59:14] <SWPadnos> is this an Ubuntu system?
[23:00:07] <user__> 606 with 2.1.7
[23:00:29] <SWPadnos> is there a reason why you're compiling instead of installing new packages?
[23:01:24] <user__> Didn't know how else to
[23:01:56] <Dallur> anyone here happen to live in spain ?
[23:02:06] <SWPadnos> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#On_Ubuntu_using_precompiled_EMC2_packages
[23:02:35] <SWPadnos> I suspect that shell script needs to be changed now (not sure if it's updated for 2.2)
[23:03:23] <SWPadnos> oh good - it was changed. yay jepler and/or cradek (or whoever else might haev changed it :) )
[23:03:30] <user__> Script is what I tried first. But it said newest version installed
[23:03:57] <SWPadnos> hmmm. check the sources in synaptic. make sure the emc2 lines have emc2.2 on them
[23:03:59] <SWPadnos> instead of 3mc2.1
[23:04:01] <SWPadnos> gah
[23:04:05] <SWPadnos> instead of emc2.1
[23:04:18] <user__> ok
[23:04:50] <SWPadnos> I don't know what time that script was changed. it's possible you grabbed it before it was updated
[23:22:59] <user__> Script works well after changing sources.list thanks . 2.2 looks great !