#emc | Logs for 2007-10-09

[01:03:20] <fenn> ewww gross dont use wd-40 on anything
[01:03:34] <fenn> it turns into sticky goo after a year
[01:04:13] <fenn> if its a precision ground surface with no sliding contact, i use paste wax. comes in a yellow can, for furniture polish i think
[01:04:23] <fenn> brush it on, let dry, then buff with a paper towel
[01:05:00] <fenn> and mobil vactra #1 for ways, although you can use non-detergent motor oil just as well
[01:08:22] <Ziegler> paste wax you say
[01:08:36] <fenn> yep wish i knew about it when i was starting out
[01:08:48] <fenn> now i paste wax everything
[01:08:51] <Ziegler> for every day use... paste wax
[01:08:54] <Ziegler> cool
[01:09:26] <fenn> you only need a very thin film
[01:09:53] <Ziegler> sure.. I actually used to use it on the metal hardware of my guitar
[01:10:06] <Ziegler> and on guns from time to time
[01:11:04] <Ziegler> did know WD got gooey
[01:11:53] <Ziegler> err
[01:11:55] <Ziegler> didnt
[01:16:58] <fenn> i wish i could get paste wax in an aerosol can
[01:17:04] <fenn> i think i'll have to make my own
[01:18:28] <Ziegler> you can get little "air sprayers"
[01:18:43] <Ziegler> used for spraying solvents and the sort of your own mix
[01:19:08] <Ziegler> bet that paste wax could be cut with mineral oil or something
[01:19:46] <Ziegler> (gasoline) 0_0
[01:19:53] <fenn> yeah like one of those olive oil sprayers
[01:20:27] <Ziegler> yeah
[01:20:31] <fenn> hexane would be best.. dammit why cant you get any plain old chemicals
[01:21:02] <fenn> i can buy a bucket of toluene but apparently hexane is too dangerous
[01:21:31] <Ziegler> hehe
[01:21:53] <fenn> (the irony is that toluene is more dangerous)
[01:28:26] <fenn> boeshield seems to be highly recommended
[02:04:16] <dmess> paste wax in aerosol cans.... must it be wax??? or can it have other stuff in it
[02:05:00] <dmess> like rust inhibitors??
[02:06:11] <dmess> use mold saver... 20 bucks a can
[02:06:31] <dmess> Toluene can be so volitile..
[02:15:35] <Skinnypuppy1334> Psst.... RENAISSANCE WAX/POLISH http://www.woodfinishsupply.com/RenWax.html
[02:17:31] <Skinnypuppy1334> I haven't been using coolant, but I am in the humid south and my stuff stopped rusting. I haven't put scotchbrite on my machines once since cleaning degreasing with brake cleaner and renwaxxing
[02:18:42] <Skinnypuppy1334> Some armor makers turned us on to the stuff
[02:18:51] <Ziegler> armor you say?
[02:19:15] <Skinnypuppy1334> Yes some blacksmiths in the state guild that hand build armor
[02:19:30] <Ziegler> oh... fenn was looking for a spray on wax
[02:20:11] <Skinnypuppy1334> It's not quite that, but it is soft and about liquifies in your fingers.
[02:21:12] <Ziegler> if its a wax polish... does that mean it has abrasive in it?
[02:21:29] <Ziegler> we were just talking about protecting equipment
[02:21:38] <Skinnypuppy1334> I got about two ounces, did a mill, two lathes, grinder, vices, rotaty table, chucks pretty much every thing with it and left one plate alone for comparison.
[02:21:59] <Skinnypuppy1334> And still have a chunk of it left it goes for ever...
[02:22:00] <Ziegler> time frame?
[02:22:34] <Skinnypuppy1334> Took me all day to degrease and do them all that was b't 11 and 13 months ago, end of last summer
[02:25:11] <Skinnypuppy1334> There doesn't seem to be any abrasive in it, if there is it is too fine to see as it dries perfectly clear
[02:25:54] <dmess> hot bees wax has ALWAYS worked in my resto's.... then hand
[02:26:51] <Ziegler> yeah I use bees wax on my screws when the start to grind or sqeek
[02:27:16] <Ziegler> (rub it on)
[02:27:35] <fenn> gosh that's some expensive wax
[02:27:37] <dmess> yup... its good natural stuff..
[02:27:52] <fenn> the ren-wax
[02:28:04] <dmess> not if you keep with a few keeper friends...
[02:28:22] <dmess> oh yeah..
[02:29:11] <Skinnypuppy1334> I covered all those machines/accesories with about an inch cubed piece. I used to have to scotchbrite every few weeks unless it was january
[02:30:11] <Ziegler> yeah... good.. I spent two hours today with a scotchbrite and steel wool removing rust
[02:30:16] <Ziegler> got more to do tomarrow
[02:30:26] <Ziegler> What all do you use to help remove the rust?
[02:30:30] <fenn> angle grinder and brass brush?
[02:30:30] <dmess> need a de-humidifier ... puppy... invest now or forever rub your pieces..
[02:30:51] <fenn> i use the twisted cup brushes on the really crusty stuff
[02:30:59] <Skinnypuppy1334> I have one, but don't use it sense the ren wax
[02:31:01] <Ziegler> on light rust
[02:31:20] <dmess> on precision stuff i use a bob and paste...
[02:31:28] <Ziegler> bob?
[02:31:44] <dmess> cotton BOB
[02:31:48] <Ziegler> ah
[02:31:56] <dmess> flap wheel??
[02:32:00] <Ziegler> ya
[02:32:13] <dmess> polishing stuffes
[02:32:25] <fenn> you could make something out of scotchbrite pads that spins and/or flaps
[02:32:39] <dmess> not scotchbrite...
[02:33:26] <fenn> or put a big scotchbrite pad on an electric sander
[02:33:35] <dmess> this is cotton with polishing past... red - rough white - finish..
[02:34:12] <dmess> do you have WHITE scotch bright available??
[02:34:28] <dmess> its the softest
[02:34:52] <toast_> well that was exciting
[02:34:54] <Skinnypuppy1334> I've used this for pollishing after oilsanding lathe parts to final size http://www.wenolit.com/
[02:35:02] <toast_> fire department/et al
[02:35:09] <Skinnypuppy1334> works well on alum
[02:35:25] <dmess> what did you TOAST???
[02:35:55] <toast_> some wires or something out in the hallway
[02:35:58] <toast_> burned out
[02:36:06] <toast_> set smoke alarms off all over the place
[02:36:15] <Skinnypuppy1334> Wooo hoo
[02:36:17] <dmess> you ok
[02:36:17] <dmess> ???
[02:36:19] <toast_> yep
[02:36:24] <toast_> ty for asking
[02:36:36] <toast_> the fire dudes took the light fixture.
[02:37:03] <dmess> wow.. we had 1 a month or so back 3:00 am.. back yard was ablaze...
[02:37:21] <toast_> snap
[02:37:26] <toast_> yeah this wasn't an actual fire
[02:37:30] <toast_> just sort of a swift oxidation of plastic
[02:37:30] <Skinnypuppy1334> My first week in school some guys caught the oil quench bucket on fire with about a two hundred pound roller ... ha said I'll do just fine here..
[02:37:43] <dmess> ithk the lord. ; )
[02:38:29] <dmess> school is not the place to get hurt.. ; (
[02:39:32] <Skinnypuppy1334> Hear ya there, they should have had a plastic fuse lid on the quench system instead of an open pit.
[02:40:01] <fenn> what's a plastic fuse lid?
[02:40:03] <dmess> no fused link lid??
[02:40:12] <Skinnypuppy1334> Nope, no lid at all
[02:40:25] <Skinnypuppy1334> plastic melt lid close fenn
[02:40:31] <dmess> even cheap parts washers have them
[02:40:58] <fenn> oh like a plastic rod that props a metal lid open?
[02:41:04] <Skinnypuppy1334> I know... about a quarter later all the shop Monkeys were out the way.
[02:41:59] <dmess> or a blob a plastis or ive bismuth in the tube.. and the rod goes thru that
[02:45:07] <Skinnypuppy1334> Hey here's a good fire
[02:45:09] <Skinnypuppy1334> http://youtube.com/watch?v=DnPz5mx_1AM
[02:45:25] <Skinnypuppy1334> Propane tank at a foundry
[02:45:48] <Ziegler> oh man
[02:46:10] <Skinnypuppy1334> Yeah impressive
[02:46:17] <Ziegler> where was the foundry at?
[02:46:45] <Ziegler> I think I may have driven by there after it happened
[02:47:00] <Ziegler> oh Tacoma, Wa
[02:47:07] <Ziegler> not the same place
[02:57:02] <stustev> good evening
[02:57:40] <stustev> '
[02:59:19] <fenn> howdy
[03:00:18] <stustev> seems very quiet tonight
[03:02:05] <stustev> I downloaded, compiled and have Apt360 on my Suse 10.0 box at home. Is there a tutorial or manual?
[03:04:41] <stustev> I have a post processor from NCCS. It is called PostWorks. It will post apt source. I would like to post a program someone has processed.
[03:05:47] <dmess> join #cam stustev:
[03:06:06] <stustev> will do
[03:06:20] <toast_> does anyone use selinux or grsecurity
[03:12:29] <Jymmm> grrrr what?
[03:12:34] <toast_> grsecurity!
[03:12:40] <Jymmm> ???
[03:12:42] <toast_> it's a linux security module
[03:12:53] <toast_> that locks down a bunch of stuff, usually for isolated web servers and things like that
[03:12:53] <Jymmm> for?
[03:13:08] <toast_> so you can allow a bunch of users to have shell accounts
[03:13:13] <toast_> and not have as much concern
[03:13:13] <Jymmm> ah
[03:13:21] <toast_> locks down a bunch of stuff
[03:14:17] <toast_> it seems like selinux for computers that you don't actually do anything super important with
[03:15:15] <Jymmm> oh, THAT selinux.... nm
[03:16:05] <Jymmm> toast_: did you notice that he NSA doe NOT use it themselves???
[03:16:23] <toast_> the NSA does not comment on internal usage of applications
[03:16:31] <toast_> so uh, the nsa doesn't say if they use it or not
[03:17:36] <Jymmm> # Is it approved for government use?
[03:17:36] <Jymmm> Security-enhanced Linux has no special or additional approval for government use over any other version of Linux.
[03:18:13] <toast_> right
[03:18:31] <Jymmm> and like I'd actually TRUST anything the NSa distributes.
[03:18:42] <toast_> and i have family members who have worked for the NSA in the past, and currently work for other agencies
[03:18:46] <toast_> and they DO use selinux
[03:19:00] <toast_> the other agencies, not the NSA, who doesn't comment on anything
[03:19:16] <Jymmm> "That's nice"
[03:19:24] <toast_> re-read what the statement says
[03:19:38] <toast_> no special approval for government use OVER any other version
[03:19:53] <toast_> they're saying they don't have an internal preference for selinux over, say, debian
[03:19:57] <toast_> stock kernel
[03:20:04] <Jymmm> exactly
[03:20:06] <toast_> (which, ironically, is selinux enabled)
[03:20:32] <Jymmm> obsd ftw
[03:59:37] <fenn> toast_: selinux is a bunch of crap
[03:59:53] <fenn> use openvz
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[09:11:17] <fenn> why is it money always makes things go sour
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[23:54:51] <dmes1> hi all