#emc | Logs for 2007-04-27

[00:01:38] <Jymmmmmmm> I want to add the RT test to a script, bt not AHVE to set it executable every time, can I set something in the script?
[00:03:50] <mschuhmacher> help
[00:04:08] <mschuhmacher> sorry :)
[00:04:37] <mschuhmacher> wrong keyboard
[00:42:10] <jtr__> jtr__ is now known as jtr
[00:42:38] <CIA-20> 03petev 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/hal/components/boss_plc.c:
[00:42:38] <CIA-20> -Cleaned up init code.
[00:42:38] <CIA-20> -Made spindle control into state machine.
[00:42:38] <CIA-20> -Added tool change handshake so brake would remain on during tool change.
[00:42:38] <CIA-20> -Added amp fault generation from amp enable and amp ready. Need to wait a
[00:42:39] <CIA-20> bit for amp to become ready after enable. If it does not become ready,
[00:42:40] <CIA-20> indicate a fault.
[00:53:02] <CIA-20> 03petev 07TRUNK * 10emc2/configs/boss/ (README boss.hal boss.ini boss.tbl boss.var emc.nml): -Initial revision.
[01:02:36] <Jymmmmmmm> glxgears
[01:09:31] <jepler> [three spinning gears appear in this portion of the screen]
[01:10:08] <Jymmmmmmm> heh
[01:12:20] <CIA-20> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/Makefile: copy emc.nml for the new 'boss' configuration
[01:17:20] <cradek> cool, I had enough leftover working parts to SMPify my other P3 box
[01:17:27] <Jymmmmmm> cool
[01:18:01] <cradek> and enough registered ram to make them both 512
[01:24:13] <mtedad_> mtedad_ is now known as mtedad
[01:25:50] <cradek> err 512 and 640
[01:26:17] <Jymmmmmmm> ew
[01:27:54] <Jymmmmmmm> Fuck me.... rt teat AND glxgears are going and X hasn't crashed yet
[01:32:31] <mschuhmacher_> mschuhmacher_ is now known as mschuhmacher
[01:32:39] <Jymmmmmmm> Looks like that big is a memory leak
[01:32:41] <Jymmmmmmm> bug
[01:35:07] <cradek> wow, I had heard about the (plainclothes) cops who did the drug raid (no-knock) at the wrong house and shot the 92 year old, but I hadn't heard that they planted drugs there to try to cover it up
[01:35:30] <cradek> I mean holy crap
[01:35:53] <cradek> also they shot 39 times, hitting her 6 times, and themselves several times
[02:08:00] <mtedad> got a rt problem --1848: error: unexpected realtime delay
[02:09:11] <skunkworks> on board video? usb devices?
[02:09:38] <mtedad> usb plugged in.
[02:11:09] <skunkworks> usb what?
[02:11:45] <mtedad> memoty stick----ejected it.
[02:12:22] <petev> yeah, I saw that once too on my machine
[02:12:38] <skunkworks> see if you get the realtime delay now. I have had a few motherboards that have issues with usb devices plugged in.
[02:13:11] <petev> well I always have at least one usb device plugged in, and have never seen a problem
[02:13:23] <petev> only seems to happen when a USB stick is plugged in
[02:13:25] <mtedad> still there.
[02:15:08] <skunkworks> what is your hardware?
[02:15:59] <skunkworks> usb memory sticks here also. (only thing i have had issues with)
[02:16:27] <mtedad> virge s3 video
[02:16:54] <skunkworks> shared memory? or pci/agp card?
[02:17:26] <mtedad> pci
[02:17:40] <skunkworks> hmm.
[02:19:18] <skunkworks> do you know what kind of motherboard you have?
[02:20:31] <skunkworks> would it happen to be an intel chipset http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?FixingDapperSMIIssues
[02:20:44] <mtedad> compac running amd 800mhz processor
[02:23:45] <mozmck> cradek: who got shot?
[02:26:16] <cradek> http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070426/ap_on_re_us/elderly_shooting;_ylt=AgSYVupNSp.yr7kBlq.Jk_5H2ocA
[02:26:39] <cradek> lots of folks, but the innocent 92 yr old lady was the only one who ended up dead
[02:32:14] <mozmck> wow. unfortunately this kind of thing is not too uncommon though.
[02:39:05] <cradek> why would they no-knock in plain clothes? that's just asking for trouble
[02:39:27] <cradek> with guns drawn too, I suppose
[02:43:37] <mozmck> no-knock should still be illegal anyhow. some way to serve a warrant...
[02:45:27] <cradek> it's clearly a great way to get shot at
[02:46:03] <cradek> and this case was a 'war on some drugs' thing too - particularly insane
[02:46:58] <mozmck> yeah. I don't have any use for drugs, but I have even less use for the 'war on drugs'.
[02:47:31] <cradek> 'war on some drugs not profitable to big business'
[02:47:32] <jmk-core2> the woman fired _once_
[02:48:12] <jmk-core2> cops fired 39 times, probably in a complete and total panic
[02:48:44] <cradek> jmk-core2: she missed them all. they shot one another and killed her.
[02:48:49] <mozmck> I imagine the cops get scared and adrenaline takes over their brain...
[02:48:55] <jmk-core2> yep, what a fsck up
[02:49:19] <jmk-core2> the article says she fired thru the door, which wasn't exactly smart of her either
[02:49:25] <cradek> mozmck: then they're a little short on training or smarts or self control or all of the above
[02:50:06] <jmk-core2> we recently had a case where cops went to serve a warrant, knocked, and the guy shot thru the door - the bullet went in the armhole on the vest of one of the cops and killed him
[02:50:12] <cradek> jmk-core2: true, we should expect more from our 92 yr olds
[02:50:32] <mozmck> yeah, too many young guys go in for the power they feel. Had a couple of friends became cops because it made them feel big.
[02:50:48] <lewin1> lewin1 is now known as lewing
[02:51:21] <cradek> mozmck: that's gotta be the wrong reason to become a cop but I don't know how you'd go about getting just the good guys who do it for the right reasons
[02:52:21] <mozmck> jmk-core2: yeah, but if someone was kicking your door in no telling what you might do! Would scare me some I reckon...
[02:53:29] <mozmck> cradek: I'd say there should be a higher minimum age requirement - 21 ain't old enough; maybe 35 (I'm not there yet)
[02:54:37] <mozmck> Age wouldn't fix everything but would be a start...
[02:54:45] <jmk-core2> plainclothes no-knock is just plain stupid
[02:54:58] <mozmck> yup!
[02:55:01] <cradek> mozmck: true, it might help if it was nobody's first career
[02:55:20] <cradek> mozmck: many people aren't at all grown up at 21
[02:55:39] <jmk-core2> those guys probably had themselves all pumped up, and were sure a dangerous and armed person was on the other side of that door - that kind of tension is a disaster waiting to happen
[02:56:21] <cradek> mozmck: I bet some 'seeing the world' between high school and 'the force' would help
[02:57:24] <mozmck> cradek: I believe so. Wisdom comes generally with age and experience, not just education.
[02:57:43] <jmk-core2> true
[02:57:54] <jmk-core2> but some people never wise up
[02:58:08] <jmk-core2> one of the cops planted dope in the house after the incident
[02:58:22] <cradek> http://policechiefmagazine.org/magazine/index.cfm?fuseaction=display_arch&article_id=971&issue_id=82006
[02:58:21] <jmk-core2> that means he had it with him... I wonder why.....
[02:58:51] <cradek> jmk-core2: just in case of "emergency" I'm sure
[02:59:14] <jmk-core2> that kind of mentality is a problem, and I doubt age (or education) would fix it
[02:59:29] <jmk-core2> it becomes us against them, and they don't care about right and wrong anymore
[02:59:33] <cradek> jmk-core2: more dope can't hurt when you just want to "get" the "bad guys"
[02:59:55] <mozmck> yeah, age doesn't cure everything.
[02:59:56] <cradek> sorry I work with an ex-cop and I see this in him big-time
[03:00:59] <Jymmmmmmm> "Requirement #1: You must live in 'Da hood' and/or 'projects' for a minimum of one year. If you are not a junkie/thug/rapper at the end of one year, you have passed step 1"
[03:01:02] <mozmck> planting dope seems common, I hear of it all the time.
[03:01:26] <cradek> looks like some people are pushing for required college education
[03:01:35] <jmk-core2> in the incident that happened here, even though the bad guy shot (and killed) one cop, and they did return fire, he was not shot, and was taken into custody unharmed....
[03:01:44] <jmk-core2> thats a different class of cops there...
[03:02:00] <Jymmmmmmm> rubber bullets?
[03:02:09] <jmk-core2> no, they missed
[03:02:13] <Jymmmmmmm> lol
[03:02:22] <jmk-core2> but thats normal for cops, and most anyone else under that kind of stress
[03:02:32] <Jymmmmmmm> Ok I got about a 12" spread \, but that's bad...
[03:02:38] <jmk-core2> but the key is - they stopped shooting, and arrested the guy, they didn't perforate him
[03:02:42] <jmk-core2> (or themselves)
[03:03:10] <cradek> Subject: ***** is coming back tomorrow !!!!!!
[03:03:11] <Jymmmmmmm> oh hell, they have so many non-letahl weapons these days...
[03:03:19] <cradek> ***** has completed her jury duty assignment and did the right thing by
[03:03:20] <cradek> finding the defendant guilty. She will be here at 7:30AM
[03:03:34] <cradek> ^^ email to whole company from my HR director (ex-cop)
[03:03:36] <Jymmmmmmm> eeesh
[03:03:43] <jmk-core2> heh
[03:04:32] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: that's "some company"you work for
[03:04:36] <cradek> if he wasn't guilty, he wouldn't be in court, right?
[03:04:50] <jmk-core2> he'll never make it onto a jury
[03:04:51] <cradek> Jymmmmmmm: it's ok, but has a few black eyes
[03:05:01] <Jymmmmmmm> I MUST be guilty if I say I dont want my car searched
[03:05:02] <cradek> jmk-core2: I hope to hell not
[03:05:04] <mozmck> cradek: yuck. assumes he was guilty because he was charged! and don't get me onto (rigged) juries!
[03:05:40] <jmk-core2> cradek: save the email, and if he ever gets called for jury duty, send it to the courthouse ;-)
[03:05:47] <cradek> I've juried twice and found most people there smart both times
[03:06:00] <Jymmmmmmm> Note: If you EVER get pulled over and are asked if they can search your car, ALWASY ask "what for" befor econsenting.
[03:06:08] <jmk-core2> I've never even been called, I have no idea why
[03:06:22] <jmk-core2> my wife has served 3? times
[03:06:30] <cradek> I've been in three times, served twice
[03:06:46] <mozmck> the juries aren't the problem, it's the rigging process (voire doir sp?) and the withholding of information that I have a problem with.
[03:06:53] <cradek> Jymmmmmmm: my alternate strategy is to say no
[03:07:11] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: But always ask why, if if you plan to say no either way.
[03:07:29] <Jymmmmmmm> s/if if/even if/
[03:07:34] <cradek> Jymmmmmmm: that's an interesting idea, I'll try to remember
[03:07:51] <cradek> Jymmmmmmm: I've never been asked (white male, nice car)
[03:08:01] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: If they say "for weapons bombs" and they find dope, your free.
[03:08:17] <cradek> Jymmmmmmm: I doubt that's true
[03:08:39] <jmk-core2> I suspect that they will have to try very hard to use the dope as evidence
[03:08:40] <cradek> Jymmmmmmm: a warrant has to specify the things to be searched for - a warrantless search by consent, nope
[03:08:57] <cradek> that's one reason why you say NO
[03:09:06] <Jymmmmmmm> you consented to weapons search, not anything else.
[03:09:12] <cradek> even if it's inconvenient and you have to wait for them to do paperwork, make them do it
[03:09:23] <Jymmmmmmm> sure, they'll take your dope, but you'll be in the clear about it
[03:09:40] <cradek> Jymmmmmmm: "because I'm conducting an investigation"
[03:09:59] <Jymmmmmmm> maybe different outside of Calif,
[03:10:26] <jmk-core2> Jymmmmmm: I'll never be worried about them taking my dope, since I'll never have any
[03:10:41] <Jymmmmmmm> doesn't really matter
[03:11:01] <mozmck> jmk-core2: haha, unless the cop has some "just in case"...
[03:11:17] <Jymmmmmmm> they shouldn't be asking to search your car anyway, but if you piss them off, there's nothing that says they couldn't plant some.
[03:11:40] <jmk-core2> I doubt I'll ever find them asking to search, but I'd play it by ear
[03:11:59] <jmk-core2> if I let them search, I would insist on watching the search
[03:12:08] <cradek> I've unknowingly had open containers of alcohol in my car
[03:12:19] <cradek> (an "acquaintance" hid them there)
[03:12:28] <cradek> ... when I was underage
[03:12:33] <Jymmmmmmm> jmk-core2: it really wouldn't matter at that point.
[03:12:36] <cradek> there's no reason not to say NO
[03:12:47] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: exactly
[03:12:48] <cradek> once you say yes, you relinquish all control and protection of the law
[03:13:00] <mozmck> I think they can still search even if you say no.
[03:13:06] <Jymmmmmmm> There no reason for them to be asking either, biut they do
[03:13:30] <cradek> mozmck: surely saying no is a good idea then, if you want to challenge an illegal search later.
[03:13:33] <Jymmmmmmm> I want to laminate lil cards and when they ask, hand em the card.
[03:13:58] <mozmck> in fact I know they can because when I was called for jury duty one time the lawyer told us so
[03:14:21] <mozmck> said they've made laws that allow it.
[03:14:24] <Jymmmmmmm> mozmck: only if they can show cause, and they won't ask if they could.
[03:15:51] <mozmck> I started to say something about the 5th amendment (is that the right one?) about warrantless search and seizure and they shut me up quick and booted me :-)
[03:16:01] <Jymmmmmmm> lol
[03:16:04] <Jymmmmmmm> right on!!!
[03:16:15] <Jymmmmmmm> Justice is blind alright
[03:16:23] <jmk-core2> booted? as in let you go?
[03:16:39] <jmk-core2> or as in stuck you in the back of the cop car and searched anyway?
[03:16:41] <mozmck> yeah, it was during the selection process.
[03:16:50] <jmk-core2> oh, jury?
[03:16:54] <Jymmmmmmm> jmk-core2: they threw away the key
[03:16:55] <mozmck> this was in jury selection
[03:17:00] <jmk-core2> I thought you were talking about the car search thing
[03:17:17] <Jymmmmmmm> jmk-core2: he was, just wasn't HIS car =)
[03:17:26] <mozmck> the court case had to do with a car search apparently without consent
[03:18:18] <jmk-core2> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Ross
[03:18:22] <jmk-core2> interesting
[03:21:02] <mozmck> 4th amendment...
[03:27:47] <Jymmmmmmm> I coulda sworn I changed the CMOS battery on this system
[03:35:17] <Jymmmmmmm> This is sad.... this mobo has builtin ati video with 4mb video ram, but draws better than the ati card I have with 8mb vram
[03:35:36] <Jymmmmmmm> thought, not at the same resolution
[03:41:05] <Jymmmmmmm> jepler: cradek Within axis, are there any keybindings for SHIFT + (direction keys)?
[03:41:46] <Jymmmmmmm> SHIFT or CTRL or ALT, doesn't matter
[03:41:51] <cradek> I don't think so
[03:42:52] <Jymmmmmmm> In TurboCNC, I get really spoiled by having regauler jog by hitting direction keys, or FAST jog by ALT+(direction keys), is it possible you guys could add that to your feature request list?
[03:43:26] <cradek> I agree something like that would be nice
[03:44:16] <Jymmmmmmm> I'd still like to use my external numpad, to jog around next to the machine.
[03:44:47] <ds3> always games with xmodmap ;)
[03:44:48] <Jymmmmmmm> so I could remap a key on the numpad as a ALT,CTRL, or SHIFT key if I needed to
[03:45:04] <Jymmmmmmm> ds3: the key remapping can be done within emc
[03:45:40] <chr0n1c> yo yo
[03:45:56] <Jymmmmmmm> dumb question, but what is CDS.NGC, I can't tell from the screen what it is =)
[03:46:41] <cradek> circle diamond square
[03:46:47] <chr0n1c> just engraved my first convex engraving, around a 1.5 inch pc of clear acrylic. only with xyz
[03:47:23] <chr0n1c> it came out nice except my stock was off center like .020cuz i didn't indicate it in
[03:47:26] <Jymmmmmmm> chr0n1c: now try it with only XY =)
[03:47:37] <chr0n1c> i'm building a rotary axis :D
[03:47:42] <chr0n1c> but.. it's not done yet
[03:47:43] <Jymmmmmmm> after that, try it with inly X
[03:47:48] <Jymmmmmmm> only
[03:48:08] <chr0n1c> uhh
[03:48:14] <chr0n1c> it would just be a line
[03:48:20] <chr0n1c> if it was only x
[03:48:27] <chr0n1c> :D
[03:48:48] <chr0n1c> maybe not even that if moving the z down to the stock counts
[03:48:51] <Jymmmmmmm> you are just not trying hard enough =)
[03:48:55] <chr0n1c> then it would be nothing :(
[03:49:01] <Jymmmmmmm> you are just not trying hard enough =)
[03:49:14] <Jymmmmmmm> if you apply yourself YOU CAN DO IT!
[03:49:15] <chr0n1c> * chr0n1c uses the force
[03:49:21] <Jymmmmmmm> there ya go
[03:49:46] <chr0n1c> fuck it.. why don't i set the machine on fire and go back to doing it all by hand with a rock
[03:50:06] <chr0n1c> AHHHHHHHH!
[03:50:08] <chr0n1c> ;)
[03:50:22] <Jymmmmmmm> chr0n1c: do you have a rock already?
[03:50:34] <chr0n1c> well... i live on one
[03:50:56] <Jymmmmmmm> close enough, heres a book of matches
[03:51:02] <chr0n1c> sweeeeet
[03:51:09] <chr0n1c> uh got lighter fluid?
[03:51:39] <chr0n1c> or.. i'll just run the slides at rapid with no grease till they melt
[03:51:48] <chr0n1c> go x0 y0
[03:51:52] <chr0n1c> g0 x1 y1
[03:51:54] <chr0n1c> goxoyo
[03:51:58] <chr0n1c> gox1y1
[03:52:17] <Jymmmmmmm> you have the ulitimate rubbing of two sticks already
[03:52:25] <chr0n1c> yessir
[03:52:32] <chr0n1c> but i love the machine too much to hurt it
[03:53:13] <Jymmmmmmm> you already hurt its feelings by saying you were going to set it on fire
[03:53:28] <chr0n1c> it enjoys a lil teasing now and then
[03:53:35] <chr0n1c> it's a tough lil bitch
[03:53:42] <Jymmmmmmm> lol
[03:54:32] <chr0n1c> a buddy is comin over tomorrow to start working ona 24" x 48" machine frame
[03:54:44] <chr0n1c> i can't take this little mini mill stuff
[03:54:53] <chr0n1c> it's gonna be a gantry machine...
[03:55:16] <chr0n1c> prototype out of wood then a steel frame after it works
[03:55:42] <Jymmmmmmm> OMG who wrote tort.ngc!!!
[03:55:59] <chr0n1c> what does it do i never ran it lol
[03:56:00] <Jymmmmmmm> and share damnit I want the same drugs they were on!!!
[03:56:25] <Jymmmmmmm> just look at it
[03:56:42] <cradek> Jymmmmmmm: it was generated with a program
[03:57:01] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: ah, has anyone ever ran it before?
[03:57:10] <Jymmmmmmm> I mean milled it
[03:57:31] <cradek> run it, sure, it was a nice test for the planner
[03:57:37] <cradek> it surely can't be milled
[03:57:52] <chr0n1c> holy holy holy... crap batman
[03:58:12] <chr0n1c> was that jsut math chris?
[03:58:20] <cradek> was what?
[03:58:21] <Jymmmmmmm> that is 3" x 3" x 1.6" correct?
[03:58:21] <chr0n1c> or did you do it in cad?
[03:58:27] <chr0n1c> the tort
[03:58:34] <cradek> jepler wrote a program to generate the gcode directly
[03:58:37] <chr0n1c> ohhh
[03:58:54] <chr0n1c> i could draw that.. but it would take hours
[03:59:05] <chr0n1c> of typing in points...
[03:59:18] <cradek> each thing is a different feed, and there are nasty helixes and stuff
[03:59:31] <cradek> it was a good test - found some bugs that would have been around forever otherwise
[03:59:34] <chr0n1c> if it's only 3x3x6 i can run it
[03:59:52] <Jymmmmmmm> If I slow it down enough to not break a tool, it might be interesting
[04:00:00] <chr0n1c> lol
[04:00:08] <chr0n1c> it would just be chips left i think
[04:00:37] <cradek> we had one that turned the rotary axes too, it's been lost I think
[04:00:40] <Jymmmmmmm> only one way to find out,
[04:02:51] <chr0n1c> i'm running it now
[04:03:11] <chr0n1c> it would be good to tram a dowl.. then run that .. and re-tram the dowel to see if your maching repeats
[04:03:14] <Jymmmmmmm> uswing what tool?
[04:03:20] <chr0n1c> it's cutting air
[04:03:25] <chr0n1c> and it's in MM
[04:03:30] <chr0n1c> not inches i believe
[04:03:38] <chr0n1c> it has a g21.. thats mm right?
[04:04:05] <cradek> right
[04:04:26] <Jymmmmmmm> so if I make it g20 instead, it'll be inches?
[04:04:43] <cradek> yes, but it'll be 25x as large
[04:05:11] <Jymmmmmmm> so the 3.23 callout I see on the screen won't become 3.13 inches?
[04:05:22] <chr0n1c> it's 3.3 mm
[04:05:41] <chr0n1c> uhh or i dunno i don't do metric
[04:06:44] <cradek> I'm lost
[04:06:52] <cradek> the program is probably 3" across
[04:07:06] <cradek> if you have your gui showing inches, it'll show 3 in the preview
[04:07:30] <cradek> if you change the g21 to g20, it'll be about 80 inches instead of about 80mm
[04:07:32] <Jymmmmmmm> how do oyu know what the setting is in the GUI ?
[04:07:36] <cradek> it's on the menu
[04:07:46] <cradek> you can change it any time
[04:07:51] <chr0n1c> ohh
[04:07:52] <chr0n1c> ok...
[04:08:00] <cradek> you can work in either system
[04:08:11] <chr0n1c> i wasn't thinking.. the display is in inches
[04:08:16] <cradek> the gui can present either system to you
[04:08:20] <cradek> the gcode can be in either system
[04:08:30] <cradek> the machine (ini file, leadscrews) can be in either system
[04:08:41] <cradek> these are all separate things you can control
[04:08:56] <chr0n1c> long live us measurements!
[04:08:57] <Jymmmmmmm> ok, got it... still trying to learn your baby here cradek =)
[04:09:00] <chr0n1c> US*
[04:09:09] <chr0n1c> is your machine running ok jymm?
[04:09:24] <Jymmmmmmm> Can I edit the gcode within axis?
[04:09:26] <chr0n1c> *computer
[04:09:49] <Jymmmmmmm> chr0n1c: No, I still have to connect the db25 to the motherboard header and bring it out the back of the box
[04:09:50] <cradek> if you are running cvs trunk and have EDITOR= defined in your ini, AXIS will start an editor on the file for you
[04:10:09] <cradek> but within, no
[04:10:21] <Jymmmmmmm> ok, good to know
[04:10:44] <cradek> I doubt that will make it into emc2.1, but will be in 2.2
[04:10:56] <chr0n1c> right on
[04:11:01] <Jymmmmmmm> it's all good, was just asking
[04:11:15] <chr0n1c> have you seen "codeshark" for windows chris?
[04:11:31] <chr0n1c> it does highlighting.. automatic renumbering...
[04:11:36] <cradek> nope I don't use windows
[04:11:39] <chr0n1c> ohh..
[04:11:54] <chr0n1c> not even wine?
[04:12:28] <cradek> nope, I really have no windows apps
[04:12:53] <chr0n1c> amazing
[04:13:09] <chr0n1c> i guess that's one way to learnlinux quick
[04:13:49] <chr0n1c> i grew up on windows... i don't mind it's quirks, i learned to work around them over the years
[04:13:59] <chr0n1c> and now i'm used to all the quirks
[04:14:11] <chr0n1c> so linux is taking some time to get used to...
[04:14:26] <cradek> the last windows I used full-time was WFW 3.11
[04:14:35] <Jymmmmmmm> lol
[04:14:43] <cradek> after that I used OS/2 for a while, then linux and freebsd since
[04:14:48] <chr0n1c> i installed that on the second computer i ever owned.. on like 15 floppies
[04:14:56] <chr0n1c> 3.11*
[04:15:03] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek/01161921561
[04:15:05] <Jymmmmmmm> ya know, this whole getting shocked every time I touch the PC case is getting old.... I REALLY need to run a ground wire
[04:15:18] <chr0n1c> GROUND IT!
[04:15:24] <chr0n1c> with some old speaker wire lol
[04:16:30] <chr0n1c> shocks can keep you awake though
[04:16:43] <chr0n1c> if you ever doze off while running a long program... jsut touch the case
[04:18:04] <chr0n1c> ha tort is still running
[04:18:11] <chr0n1c> it hasn't choked yet...
[04:18:20] <chr0n1c> at like 3 ipm
[04:19:20] <chr0n1c> is it short for tourture?
[04:19:27] <chr0n1c> torture*
[04:21:18] <tomp> keep spraying a mister, if everythings soggy, theres not much static ( just soggy :)
[04:22:01] <cradek> chr0n1c: yes
[04:28:50] <Jymmmmmmm> I wonder if I can install the PCI nvidia card I bought with 128MB vram on it
[04:29:42] <Jymmmmmmm> has anyone ever tried "upgrading" a video on an existing system?
[04:30:29] <cradek> sure
[04:30:34] <Jymmmmmmm> painful?
[04:34:29] <mozmck> just change the driver in xorg.conf
[04:48:24] <Jymmmmmmm> is nvidia nv ?
[04:54:11] <ds3> that sounds about right
[04:55:55] <Jymmmmmmm> ok lspic -X sees the new video card on PCI:1:3:0 but X chokes on that
[04:57:51] <ds3> any comments in /var/log/Xorg.0.log?
[04:58:39] <Jymmmmmmm> no matching device for instance
[04:58:48] <Jymmmmmmm> is nvidia NV ?
[04:58:54] <ds3> yes
[04:58:56] <Jymmmmmmm> k
[04:58:58] <ds3> you can try forcing it
[04:59:03] <Jymmmmmmm> how?
[04:59:44] <ds3> do a "man xorg.conf"
[04:59:50] <ds3> look at the section on "BusID"
[05:00:29] <ds3> this assumes the chip will behave reasonably if driven by older drivers
[05:16:04] <mozmck> nvidia is nv
[05:18:07] <renesis> yeah nvidia binary + emc is supposed to be badness
[05:18:48] <renesis> hehe, ubuntu people are silly
[05:21:10] <renesis> Jymmmmmmm: psu chassis should be gnded, use crush washers or something similar to make sure the pc case and psu are making electrical contact
[05:21:43] <renesis> cases have that paint layer alot
[05:22:06] <mozmck> for BusID I have a line right under the Driver line that says: BusID "PCI:1:0:0"
[05:22:10] <renesis> same with screws on the back for holding side panels on
[05:23:04] <renesis> should use lspci or cat /proc/pci (?) or to see what your card is
[05:23:09] <renesis> or cards are
[06:44:01] <Jymmmmmmm> renesis: so should the power outlet =) that's what I need to run a ground to
[06:47:12] <renesis> scary
[12:58:22] <chr0n1c> ughhh.. my boss jsut called to wake me up.. how rude.. i'm only an hour late so far
[12:58:41] <chr0n1c> i guess i need to take a shower and go cut steel or some shit
[12:58:43] <skunkworks> ah - yah... I would fire your ass
[12:58:52] <skunkworks> :)
[12:59:02] <chr0n1c> well, i'm the smartest person there
[12:59:16] <chr0n1c> they would be stuck with nobody to run the puter :D
[13:00:18] <chr0n1c> lol.. i don't mean to toot my own horn but ya know
[13:01:26] <chr0n1c> uhhh... cya
[13:01:44] <skunkworks> get to work
[13:01:44] <chr0n1c> i get to go see stephanie at the silkscreener's shop :D
[13:01:56] <chr0n1c> she is tuff!
[13:02:06] <chr0n1c> and she says i'm her fav ')
[13:02:19] <skunkworks> I work for a 'silkscreener'
[13:02:26] <chr0n1c> no kiddin...
[13:02:38] <skunkworks> we call it screen printing now - the screens are not silk anymore
[13:03:07] <chr0n1c> bahhh ... gotta take a shower so i look sexy for stephanie... :D
[13:17:27] <alex_jon1> that definately was tmi
[13:18:22] <eric_u> I dunno, tmi would be "I haven't taken a shower in two months"
[13:18:22] <skunkworks> he already talked about smoking dope - so I think anything goes ;)
[13:25:16] <crepicdotcom> * crepicdotcom took a shower last night
[13:25:55] <skunkworks> crepicdotcom: your going to school - your not expected to shower.
[13:26:13] <crepicdotcom> yeah but i live with my girlfriend. shes expects me to shower
[13:26:13] <crepicdotcom> lo
[13:26:16] <crepicdotcom> *lol
[13:34:49] <Dallur> if you don't like to shower just buy a sailboat, nobody expects you to shower months on end
[13:50:44] <alex_jon1> Dallur: so you're building the boat to cut expenses on water?
[13:50:56] <alex_jon1> now I understand what you need emc for :D
[13:57:38] <Dallur> alex_jon1: yup, moving off land and roaming the seas for a bit, kinda like a glorified mobile home
[13:58:53] <archivist> you can allways tie a rope on a body appendage and throw yourself overboard in leu of shower
[13:59:03] <Dallur> alex_jon1: although it's a bit ironic since we have the lowest water/hot water cost int he world due to geothermal energy, I think I pay 10 cents per cubic meter of 80° water and cold is free
[14:03:14] <alex_jon1> heh.. nice
[14:03:26] <alex_jon1> Dallur: will you pay me a visit if you start sailing?
[14:04:00] <alex_jon1> it's possible to sail up to where I am :P (at least it should be..)
[14:05:22] <Dallur> alex_jon1: of course, There is great sailing in the Adriatic and I plan to cruise the Slovenian/Croatian waters for a bit, then move south and eventually cross the Suez
[14:05:28] <alex_jon1> Dallur: mediteranean sea, black sea, danube, dtd canal
[14:05:55] <alex_jon1> and from there on the bega canal..
[14:05:58] <alex_jon1> :-)
[14:06:06] <alex_jon1> it runs right through our city :D
[14:06:14] <alex_jon1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bega_River%2C_Banat
[14:06:32] <Dallur> alex_joni1: I wonder if it's deep enough for my keel
[14:06:43] <alex_jon1> how deep?
[14:07:00] <alex_jon1> it's quite inland :D http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Timisoara_in_Europa.png
[14:07:07] <skunkworks> archivist: you should check out http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl and http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php
[14:07:34] <Dallur> alex_jon1: 1.5m
[14:07:59] <alex_jon1> oh, I think it is
[14:08:03] <Dallur> alex_jon1: hmm that is quite far inland :)
[14:08:08] <alex_jon1> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Bega_Canal.jpg
[14:10:15] <Dallur> alex_jon1: I might have to drop my mast though, those bridges don't look that high ;)
[14:11:55] <alex_jon1> surely
[14:12:03] <alex_jon1> and you probably need a motor to go upstream
[14:12:31] <Dallur> alex_jon1: I have a motor, aux motor that is
[14:12:37] <alex_jon1> I see a mention of one of the local registered boats, that has 160cm immersion
[14:12:42] <alex_jon1> (if that's the proper term)
[14:13:07] <Dallur> alex_jon1: they call it draft for boats ;)
[14:13:26] <alex_jon1> ok... then draft it is :D
[14:13:41] <alex_jon1> I guess you don't have more than that?
[14:15:21] <Dallur> alex_jon1: nope, mine is 1.5m
[14:16:07] <alex_jon1> this was 50 years ago though :D
[14:18:20] <Dallur> alex_jon1: river boating seems to be making a comeback though, now there is a bunch of people that travel through Europe on river boats, the UK has just finished several large projects to re-open the canals and it seems it might become quite popular over the next couple of years
[14:27:48] <alex_jon1> the channel was started in 1726 :) so it's not quite new :P
[14:28:16] <anonimasu> what irc network?
[14:31:10] <skunkworks> so I installed the latest sun java on here and now the tab completion dosn't work anymore on this java applet
[14:55:54] <alex_jon1> skunkworks: yay java
[14:55:55] <alex_jon1> :/
[14:56:27] <Ito-Brazil> Hi there
[14:56:42] <tche> e ai veio
[14:56:58] <Ito-Brazil> Annybody knows how to connect a Phase-drive on EMC2 ?
[14:57:01] <tche> ito iam is hear
[14:57:01] <Ito-Brazil> Dae
[14:57:19] <tche> Please
[14:58:04] <tche> we need conect Phase-drive in EMC
[14:58:55] <Ito-Brazil> Yeah, There is some sites that guys got it, like A sketch machine
[14:59:26] <Ito-Brazil> A guy put steppers on a drawing toy using only ULN2003
[14:59:42] <Ito-Brazil> my phase is a little more complex, but it seems koooool to me
[14:59:53] <Ito-Brazil> i am using TurboCNC, but it sucks a lot
[15:00:22] <Ito-Brazil> I insttalled the CoolCNC on a machine to test it, but i have no Dir-Step drivers
[15:00:32] <Ito-Brazil> PLZ PLZ PLZ Help
[15:00:38] <skunkworks> Ito-Brazin: you need to look at the stepgen hal componant.
[15:03:51] <Ito-Brazil> Oke, thanks! Have ya more cheats ?
[15:03:58] <alex_jon1> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.1/html/hal/rtcomps/index.html
[15:04:25] <alex_jon1> Ito-Brazil: how many phases?
[15:04:55] <Ito-Brazil> I have a phase-drive that uses 4x TIP122 to drive a stepper
[15:05:12] <Ito-Brazil> using all 12 pins i drive 3 steppers
[15:05:45] <Ito-Brazil> and using annother board, to linear regulating the current, i can drive upto 45V onto my 6V/1,2A steppers
[15:06:06] <Ito-Brazil> getting same or more performance than a chopper drive
[15:06:27] <Ito-Brazil> and spending 1/10 of $$$$
[15:06:39] <skunkworks> some.. Not more ;)
[15:06:49] <Ito-Brazil> theese boards are opensource already
[15:07:01] <Ito-Brazil> yeah, more performance i gess
[15:07:15] <Ito-Brazil> have ya seen a CNC going on 20 000 mm/ min ?
[15:07:30] <Ito-Brazil> i have a video, but dunno how to put on web
[15:08:00] <Ito-Brazil> I got 9 kHz on steppers using full step on it ( 200 steps/ revolution )
[15:09:00] <Ito-Brazil> I gess it´s a cool stuff to put on EMC, cos its very cheap, it´s opensourse too and gets good performance
[15:09:26] <Ito-Brazil> but i can´t realize how to use a phase-drive on EMC, for me the best CNC controller
[15:09:40] <Ito-Brazil> i will try to put it on googlevideo now
[15:09:43] <Ito-Brazil> 1 momment
[15:11:41] <alex_jon1> Ito-Brazil: great
[15:11:51] <alex_jon1> so you basicly have 4 phases..
[15:12:15] <Ito-Brazil> yep
[15:12:47] <alex_jon1> I suggest you get the latest emc2 (2.1.4)
[15:12:58] <alex_jon1> the best would be to do that by using the LiveCD from linuxcnc.org
[15:13:19] <alex_jon1> then you modify one of the included configs (probably stepper or stepper-XYZA)
[15:13:48] <Ito-Brazil> I downloaded from there, but the CoolCNC ISO. Isn´t good ?
[15:13:59] <alex_jon1> coolcnc iso is older
[15:14:02] <alex_jon1> and not updated
[15:14:09] <alex_jon1> can you tell me where you found the link>
[15:14:11] <alex_jon1> ?
[15:14:21] <alex_jon1> Ito-Brazil: how do you want to drive the motors?
[15:14:25] <alex_jon1> one phase active at a time?
[15:14:32] <alex_jon1> two phases active?
[15:14:45] <alex_jon1> or halfstep?
[15:14:52] <Ito-Brazil> full step plz
[15:14:57] <alex_jon1> http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/emc2/src/hal/components/stepgen.c?rev=1.56
[15:14:59] <Ito-Brazil> 2 phases at time
[15:15:09] <Ito-Brazil> It improoves the torque
[15:15:11] <Ito-Brazil> http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3750178924754241914
[15:15:16] <alex_jon1> look at types 6
[15:15:35] <Ito-Brazil> Sorry low res and darkness, i was very exited :´]
[15:15:44] <alex_jon1> State Phase A Phase B Phase C Phase D
[15:15:44] <alex_jon1> 0 1 1 0 0
[15:15:44] <alex_jon1> 1 0 1 1 0
[15:15:44] <alex_jon1> 2 0 0 1 1
[15:15:44] <alex_jon1> 3 1 0 0 1
[15:15:47] <alex_jon1> 0 1 1 0 0
[15:16:29] <alex_jon1> is this what you want?
[15:17:13] <Ito-Brazil> I founded the link on ITALIAN DOWNLOAD
[15:17:51] <Ito-Brazil> Have ya seen the video?
[15:18:06] <Ito-Brazil> is that good enough to a Phase-drive?
[15:18:27] <Ito-Brazil> I gess i need not change to a chopper, huh ?
[15:19:21] <Ito-Brazil> i have annother video, with a 5 kg bag on top, better resolution
[15:19:30] <Ito-Brazil> same speed
[15:20:16] <Ito-Brazil> The coolcnc link is on this page:
[15:20:20] <Ito-Brazil> http://www.linuxcnc.org/content/view/2/4/lang,it/
[15:20:26] <Ito-Brazil> down there
[15:20:46] <Ito-Brazil> sorry much typing, and my english!
[15:23:42] <Ito-Brazil> So you say thet i must use UBUNTU with EMC2 to work better? CoolCNC works great on anny computer heare. You know, 3rd world, there is only slower PCs available to work on machine
[15:23:53] <Ito-Brazil> PCs are very expensive heare
[15:28:36] <alex_jon1> Ito-Brazil: you don't have to use ubuntu
[15:28:49] <alex_jon1> _but_ the coolcnc is a random version from quite some time ago
[15:28:52] <alex_jon1> a year or so..
[15:29:27] <alex_jon1> so if you want to use updates from emc2, you'll be stranded..
[15:29:45] <Ito-Brazil> nice!
[15:30:02] <Ito-Brazil> Will the modificantions on phase control works on coolcnc ?
[15:30:10] <Ito-Brazil> thanks for your time!
[15:34:25] <rafa> ito tou hear?
[15:34:34] <rafa> you hear?
[15:35:16] <rafa> please somebody to know to conecty phase-driver in EMC
[15:35:20] <rafa> please
[15:37:32] <Ito-Brazil> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.1/html/hal/rtcomps/index.html
[15:37:47] <Ito-Brazil> That´s the link the masters put to mee, RAFA
[15:38:30] <rafa> please one moment
[15:49:55] <alex_jon1> alex_jon1 is now known as alex_joni
[17:31:11] <Ito-Brazil> Hi there!
[17:31:26] <Ito-Brazil> I´m having problems to visualize a webpage from EMC2
[17:31:28] <Ito-Brazil> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/2.1/html/hal/rtcomps/index.html#fig:Stepgen-Block-Diag
[17:31:54] <Ito-Brazil> I need to configure the TYPE6 phase steps but there is no picture to see it
[17:32:06] <Ito-Brazil> anny help is welcome, thanks!
[17:48:38] <skunkworks> boy - it is a beautiful day here.
[17:54:28] <skunkworks> cool - going to the pjirc site finds the same problem as far as tab compleation. No fix but page down does the same thing :)
[17:56:16] <skunkworks> guy just installed fiesty on his laptop dual boot. worked great.
[17:56:45] <skunkworks> (he is not a cnc'er) ;)
[18:07:40] <robin_sz> meep?
[18:49:38] <skunkworks> Hi robin.
[19:11:55] <Jymmmmmmm> Hey, do you guys know of anything in linux that will let you save/restore CMOS settings by chance?
[19:12:51] <lerneaen_hydra> wouldn't that be bios-level? can you from a running OS change cmos values?
[19:13:13] <Jymmmmmmm> Yeah, I can... from DOS I know
[19:13:45] <Jymmmmmmm> just like you can update the BIOS from dos
[19:21:24] <skunkworks> Jymmmmmmm: how is the machine running with emc2?
[19:23:39] <Jymmmmmmm> skunkworks: I can't get anything higher than 1024x768 due to the onboard video card only having 4MB, but is running a LOT smoother when I have axis run a file
[19:24:34] <Jymmmmmmm> And there's a HUGE difference between the P3 600 768MB and the Dual P3 1Ghz with 2GB ram
[19:24:56] <Jymmmmmmm> even though the RT kernel only sees 1cpu and 1GB
[19:25:16] <Jymmmmmmm> I have ran my router yet though.
[19:25:19] <Jymmmmmmm> have NOT
[19:25:57] <skunkworks> Cool
[19:26:36] <Jymmmmmmm> Though, I was actually thinking of putting the xylotex card inside the PC case as this mobo has a header for paraport as does the xylotex
[19:27:07] <skunkworks> did you say on-board video - as in shared memory?
[19:27:26] <Jymmmmmmm> No, not shared memory, dedicated 4MB
[19:27:31] <skunkworks> ah - good
[19:27:47] <Jymmmmmmm> Tyan S2518
[19:28:22] <Jymmmmmmm> But, I think I know why this was in the trash.... the CMOS battery is low, even though I replaced it =)
[19:28:43] <Jymmmmmmm> Great if you leave it plugged in though =)
[19:29:46] <Jymmmmmmm> lerneaen_hydra: http://www.simtel.net/product.download.mirrors.php?id=50212
[19:30:11] <lerneaen_hydra> ah
[19:30:13] <Jymmmmmmm> though it only does 114 bytes
[19:30:19] <skunkworks> I have a ati rage 128 in the dual proccessor one - and glxgears actually spin smooth
[19:30:33] <Jymmmmmmm> skunkworks: vram?
[19:30:50] <skunkworks> no clue. something I scavenged from work.
[19:30:52] <skunkworks> agp
[19:30:56] <Jymmmmmmm> ah
[19:31:11] <Jymmmmmmm> only 2 pci slots on this server mobo
[19:31:23] <skunkworks> it was going the screen saver at 30fps full screen and 60 in the default window.
[19:31:38] <skunkworks> wow
[19:31:46] <skunkworks> for a dual proccessor?
[19:32:02] <Jymmmmmmm> its a server mobo, as in 1U
[19:32:10] <skunkworks> ah
[19:32:17] <skunkworks> made to rackmount
[19:32:20] <Jymmmmmmm> yep
[19:32:32] <Jymmmmmmm> dual nics, serial console
[19:33:18] <Jymmmmmmm> I tried a PCI nvidia card with 128mb vram last night, ubuntu livecd won't have anything todo with it
[19:33:55] <Jymmmmmmm> so, I'll be returning the two video cards I bought.
[19:50:32] <bytecolor> you guys getting nvidia hardware acceleration + dual CPU + RT working?
[19:50:54] <Jymmmmmmm> not a chance in hell =) at least not for me
[19:51:47] <awallin> join #sciastro
[19:51:49] <awallin> _)
[19:51:52] <awallin> :)
[19:52:02] <bytecolor> heh, ok, noticed a bit of noise in here about it, I"m running dual 1.2Ghz Athlons + 1 vid cards (1 AGP, 1 PCI)
[19:52:10] <awallin> hrm, must be on another server
[19:52:24] <bytecolor> er 2 vid cards
[19:53:26] <bytecolor> AXIS still runs fine in sim mode though
[19:56:01] <skunkworks> bytecolor: there was a dual processor rt kernel built - but it was found to be not 'viable'
[19:56:16] <bytecolor> ah
[19:56:26] <skunkworks> They want a 1 kernel 1 kill :)
[19:56:51] <skunkworks> and the dual rtai kernel didn't support single processor computers well.
[19:57:21] <Jymmmmmmm> imo it shouldn't have to
[19:58:05] <Jymmmmmmm> just like a quad kernel shouldn't support dual cpu
[19:58:17] <skunkworks> but then they have to support different builds for different rtai kernels
[19:58:22] <skunkworks> the way I understand it
[19:58:36] <jepler> each different variation increases the work of the linuxcnc release manager
[19:58:56] <Jymmmmmmm> would that be you?
[19:59:00] <jepler> no, that would be cradek
[19:59:04] <Jymmmmmmm> oh, heh
[19:59:06] <cradek> please everyone, feel free to build a custom rtai kernel for your own machine, and build emc2 from source
[19:59:10] <skunkworks> jepler: nice pictures.
[19:59:18] <cradek> I just can't do it for everyone
[19:59:20] <jepler> skunkworks: thanks -- it's only the tip of the iceberg
[19:59:28] <skunkworks> jepler: I bet
[19:59:35] <skunkworks> how many gigs?
[20:00:13] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: Heh, the last time I compiled anything was circa 1980
[20:00:18] <jepler> skunkworks: actually only 900 megs, about 600 photos
[20:03:14] <Jymmmmmmm> Guys where the link to figuring emc for my machine?
[20:03:44] <Jymmmmmmm> configure
[20:04:48] <skunkworks> for the dual processor?
[20:05:09] <mschuhmacher_> mschuhmacher_ is now known as mschuhmacher2
[20:05:19] <Jymmmmmmm> no,no, can't use that for emc, just for things like period, my leadscrews, etc
[20:06:03] <jepler> there is pdf documentation available in the same menu where you launch emc
[20:06:15] <jepler> html documentation: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.1/html/config/ini_config/index.html http://linuxcnc.org/docs/2.1/html/config/stepper/index.html
[20:10:54] <Jymmmmmmm> Ok, if my ovl max is about 18000, what is a good BASE_PERIOD ?
[20:11:30] <skunkworks> Jymmmmmmm: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?TweakingSoftwareStepGeneration
[20:11:46] <skunkworks> at the bottom is a open office spreadsheet that will calculate what you need.
[20:16:41] <Jymmmmmmm> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?TweakingSoftwareStepGeneration
[20:27:11] <Jymmmmmmm> 200ns == .2 uS ???
[20:29:07] <skunkworks> yes
[20:30:14] <JymmmEMC> step length and step space?
[20:30:42] <JymmmEMC> length being duration?
[20:30:58] <JymmmEMC> and space being time to rise?
[20:31:47] <skunkworks> never needed to use it - you would have to look at the emc manual
[20:32:01] <JymmmEMC> thiese are from the spreadsheet
[20:32:19] <JymmmEMC> Required Step Length Required Step Space Required Direction Setup Required Direction Hold Worst Case Latency Recommended BASE_PERIOD
[20:33:06] <JymmmEMC> the DIR values I got from the wiki, not sure what they are asking for for the STEP values.
[20:37:13] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks: do you know who wrote that spreadsheet?
[20:38:01] <skunkworks> jmk iirc
[20:38:05] <skunkworks> * skunkworks hasn't used it
[20:38:15] <JymmmEMC> ah ok.
[20:38:38] <JymmmEMC> jmkasunich: jmk-solo you alive? it's past noon =)
[20:55:04] <JymmmEMC> Ok, I'm reading this http://www.xylotex.com/XS3525V202.pdf and I'm trying to figure out what the spreadhseet is asking for here.
[20:55:23] <JymmmEMC> in respect to STEP LENGTH and STEP SPACE
[20:57:09] <alex_joni> JymmmEMC: it's quite well explained by jmk here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?TweakingSoftwareStepGeneration
[20:57:38] <Jymmmmmmm> thats where I'm at, but the nomeclature isn't the same
[20:58:01] <JymmmEMC> This is the closest I was able to find:
[21:03:39] <JymmmEMC> alex_joni: I'm just trying to enter in the proper vlaues in the spreadsheet, but I'm not sure what it's asking for for the STEP values.
[21:04:47] <jepler> JymmmEMC: C and D are the step length and space
[21:05:18] <JymmmEMC> jepler: AH THANK YOU!!!!
[21:11:31] <JymmmEMC> Ok, besides glxgears, is there something else I can use and abuse to get a higher OVL AMX latency in RT Test?
[21:12:09] <JymmmEMC> so far I'm at 15115
[21:15:43] <lerneaen_hydra> disk IO, usb IO, network IO maybe?
[21:15:53] <lerneaen_hydra> drag some windows around too maybe
[21:16:01] <jepler> reading cdroms?
[21:16:08] <skunkworks> Hey - look what I found http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/xyz.txt
[21:16:33] <ds3> fork/exec loops?
[21:16:33] <Jymmmmmmm> already did the window dragging.... have a browser, pdf view gaim, gimp running, will try cd
[21:16:35] <skunkworks> that brings back memories. (trying to write my own machine controller in basic) about 1989
[21:17:06] <lerneaen_hydra> 89?
[21:17:21] <lerneaen_hydra> that was, a while ago
[21:17:59] <Jymmmmmmm> skunkworks: that's kinda cool, I might try that out just to see/kearn wht it does
[21:18:26] <Jymmmmmmm> if you uys have 2k or xp, I have the GWBASIC if you want it
[21:18:59] <skunkworks> I think I was using fastbasic or something like that - don't remember the name - but it was compileable
[21:19:10] <Jymmmmmmm> ah, no idea
[21:19:19] <skunkworks> (needed to be to run fast enough)
[21:19:22] <Jymmmmmmm> Is this an actual controller, ?
[21:19:29] <ds3> QuickBasic? precursor to VB
[21:19:48] <Jymmmmmmm> ds3: oh gawd yes
[21:19:58] <Jymmmmmmm> MS-DOS 5 era
[21:20:30] <skunkworks> Not q basic... I don't would have to look.
[21:20:52] <Jymmmmmmm> skunkworks: this thing reads gcode?
[21:23:38] <skunkworks> Yes it did (look at the last few lines of the program)
[21:23:51] <skunkworks> It was pretty rough
[21:23:58] <JymmmEMC> * JymmmEMC grabs a DVD+r and tries to use/abuse latency
[21:24:08] <skunkworks> maybe it was quickbasic. I really don't remember.
[21:24:24] <JymmmEMC> skunkworks: Okey, very cool. I can learn from it, and the math too
[21:27:17] <skunkworks> ah - I was just winging it there.. I don't think it was the best way to do things... plus it was pretty basic.
[21:27:38] <skunkworks> used sin/cos to do arcs...
[21:28:19] <skunkworks> I quit working on it when I tried to figure out how to do read-ahead and got a head-ache
[21:28:26] <Jymmmmmmm> Hey, I don't do C, I dont do python, I dont do trig.... BASIC (pun intended) is a good thing to learn from
[21:28:54] <skunkworks> hmm - I think I used firstbasic
[21:29:56] <skunkworks> it would be considered ver .0000000001
[21:31:08] <skunkworks> looks like I had g1,2,3 sort of working.
[21:31:56] <skunkworks> bbl
[21:33:46] <robin_sz> these days, you'd be better off with Perl than basic
[21:35:44] <robin_sz> it even has $ symbols in front of variables, to make basic users feel at home
[21:36:01] <Jymmmmmmm> lol
[21:36:06] <mozmck> it's c/c++ for me!
[21:36:35] <robin_sz> well yeah, but C can be a bit spooky for basic users
[21:37:25] <mozmck> yeah, but with a little learning you can do so much better...
[21:37:32] <robin_sz> Perl is nice and friendly, lets you get away with a lot.
[21:38:08] <mozmck> hmmm, the perl I've seen and written can be as cryptic as all get out.
[21:38:17] <robin_sz> so can C
[21:38:26] <mozmck> regular expressions and all
[21:38:36] <robin_sz> not compulsory
[21:39:01] <ds3> it is a lot harder to SEGV in perl then C
[21:39:10] <mozmck> you're right. I forgot what perl I knew
[21:39:16] <Jymmmmmmm> I just want to understand the inner workings of motion control
[21:39:32] <ds3> get people here to ditch python and move to perl ;)
[21:39:36] <ds3> * ds3 runs and hide
[21:39:47] <robin_sz> Jymmmmmmm, in that case, learn C
[21:40:12] <mozmck> haven't learned and python yet, haven't had to and don't see what it offers over c
[21:40:32] <robin_sz> likewise
[21:40:40] <robin_sz> C++ was worhtwhile, and Java
[21:40:42] <Jymmmmmmm> robin_sz: With basic, I dont have to let the lang get in the way of the operation
[21:40:53] <mozmck> may need to if I want to learn the Axis code
[21:41:44] <JymmmEMC> Ok, it looks like I can set a BASE_PERIOD to 17.12uS
[21:42:39] <robin_sz> Jymmmmmmm, to learn the inner workings of CNC you will need to study soem CNC code ... either that means you already have a good cnc control in basic to study, or you will have to look at one written in C/C++
[21:43:29] <Jymmmmmmm> robin_sz: Eh, consider what I want like "reviewing" a college class.
[21:44:27] <robin_sz> well, let me consider again your stated aim : "I just want to understand the inner workings of motion control"
[21:44:49] <robin_sz> the only real "documentation" for that is the code
[21:44:49] <Jymmmmmmm> I said understand, not know
[21:45:33] <robin_sz> if you cant understand the code .. then, shrug, I guess you'll have to find someone to translate it into english for you
[21:45:51] <Jymmmmmmm> robin_sz: Yes Dear
[21:47:45] <robin_sz> well, run along now. let us know how it goes.
[21:47:53] <Jymmmmmmm> robin_sz: Yes Dear
[21:49:14] <robin_sz> bah, how do you do ignore in xchat?
[21:52:18] <robin_sz> I think I might buy this: http://apex2.apexauctions.com/auctions/50089/photos/gallery_20_3.jpg
[21:59:14] <cradek> what is it?
[21:59:29] <alex_joni> good night all
[22:04:28] <ds3> a distro really sucks when the least painful thing to do is to download gcc from ftp.gnu.org, compile, and replace the supplied gcc
[22:05:35] <archivist> * archivist guesses debian
[22:05:42] <ds3> FC6
[22:05:59] <ds3> nothing else has been so bad, ever. even SLS was less painful then that
[22:21:39] <robin_sz> cradek, 2000mm wide, 50 tonne CNC press brake ... for bending stuff
[22:22:47] <robin_sz> archivist, thats fairly trivial in debian .. just apt-get source <package> and then dpkg --build-package
[22:23:27] <robin_sz> cradek, I have one already, but its workign flat out all day, every day .. so time to get another, and that one is a *nice* one
[22:23:48] <archivist> things should be trivial in debian yes, but not always
[22:24:12] <robin_sz> well, getting and compining packages is
[22:25:54] <robin_sz> ds3, I know fc6 is a bit painful, but I thought it shipped with a sane kgcc to replace hte braindead one that masquerades as gcc
[22:27:29] <jepler> looks like your choices are gcc-4.1.1 or compat-gcc-34-3.4.6
[22:27:56] <jepler> (on fc6 using the regular fedora packages)
[22:28:13] <jepler> but fc is all about adopting technologies that aren't quite ready yet
[22:29:15] <mozmck> what's wrong with 4.1?
[22:30:28] <jepler> that I don't know -- I assume ds3 does know what makes it unsuitable for him
[22:31:18] <ds3> it barfs on old code; I have a fresh gcc from gnu.org and that part compiles
[22:49:41] <Jymmmmmmm> In respect to INPUT_SCALE, I have 200spr steppers, 8microstepping, and 10TPI leadscrews. So, 200*8*10= 16000 ?
[22:50:47] <skunkworks> yes
[22:50:49] <Jymmmmmmm> k
[22:51:02] <skunkworks> direct drive I assuem
[22:51:11] <skunkworks> assume
[22:51:29] <Jymmmmmmm> Well, the XY are 5TPI ballscrews with 2:1 gearing
[22:51:35] <Jymmmmmmm> Z is direct
[23:03:37] <JymmmEMC> I KNEW I should have plugged in the header last night, brb
[23:10:20] <eric_u> the developers of gcc 4.1 have adopted the idea that it should meet the c++ standard
[23:10:32] <eric_u> the standards committee recoils in horror of the idea
[23:11:07] <Jymmmmmmm> gcc being c or c++ ?
[23:11:26] <eric_u> g++
[23:11:58] <eric_u> always forget there is a difference
[23:30:19] <Jymmmmmmm> Eeeeesh that always creeps me out.... axis.ngv just stops at the last point, but I think that the machine froze up!
[23:31:49] <Jymmmmmmm> In Axis, is "Touch Off" "No I don't care where you think you are, you are really here"?
[23:37:05] <skunkworks> yes
[23:37:41] <Jymmmmmmm> Ok, cool. I'm so used to TurboCNC, just tyring to find the equiv in Axis
[23:38:34] <Jymmmmmmm> Well, running chips (spindle off) right now
[23:38:47] <skunkworks> I think you will be pleasently suprised :)
[23:39:15] <Jymmmmmmm> Well, I'm a keyboard control freak, so....
[23:39:38] <Jymmmmmmm> Nothing againest any of the guy's doings of course.
[23:39:45] <Jymmmmmmm> -'
[23:40:16] <Jymmmmmmm> I was surprised to find that I can rotate the axis display w/o something mucking up
[23:41:16] <skunkworks> that is the magic of realtime :)
[23:41:44] <Jymmmmmmm> DOS is realytime, but well you know
[23:41:52] <skunkworks> I was surfing and editing gcode while running parts. Bit scary
[23:42:07] <Jymmmmmmm> no doubt
[23:42:21] <Jymmmmmmm> I'll use the laptop for that on it right now)
[23:42:49] <eric_u> dos is only realtime because you can only do one thing at once
[23:43:06] <eric_u> just disable interrupts, and see how realtime it is
[23:43:18] <Jymmmmmmm> lol
[23:43:22] <eric_u> you could do that in a user program
[23:44:06] <Jymmmmmmm> Now I gotta see where pushing the envelope for my machine is.
[23:44:25] <skunkworks> Jymmmmmmm: that is the fun part :)
[23:44:34] <eric_u> disk access used to be the place where things went to hell
[23:44:59] <Jymmmmmmm> I tried accessing a cd, ovl max stayed at 15000ns
[23:45:48] <eric_u> the realtime guys fixed the hard drive delays first thing
[23:46:00] <eric_u> bill gates still hasn't figured out how to do that
[23:51:19] <Jymmmmmmm> In axis, is there a go to this position?
[23:53:14] <Jymmmmmmm> other than mdi I mean
[23:54:15] <skunkworks> mdi is the only way I know
[23:54:35] <skunkworks> did turbocnc have a way?
[23:54:42] <skunkworks> other than mdi?
[23:55:07] <Jymmmmmmm> yeah... ALT+G (after selecting the axis)
[23:55:41] <Jymmmmmmm> ALT+E was like touch off in axis
[23:55:51] <skunkworks> alt-g then you type in where you want to go?
[23:56:01] <skunkworks> for that axis?
[23:56:21] <Jymmmmmmm> Yeah,a lil dialog popped up, you ented in the coordiants and hit enter
[23:56:50] <Jymmmmmmm> neg value for left, pos vlaue for right, etc
[23:56:52] <skunkworks> never used it. (started using turbocnc)
[23:56:59] <skunkworks> oh - reletive?
[23:57:28] <Jymmmmmmm> skunkworks: Well, I dont have home switches
[23:57:39] <Jymmmmmmm> so everythign was relative
[23:58:18] <Jymmmmmmm> but depending on where I mounted stock on the table, I'd set 0,0,0 to top of material, bottom left corner