#emc | Logs for 2007-04-21

[00:15:49] <JymmmEMC> ff doesn't "remember" where your session was in X, is ther eanother one that does?
[01:45:54] <chr0n1c> if my max velocity is .1667 would max stepgen velocity of .2 be about right?
[01:46:31] <SWPadnos> that depends on what the motors are actually capable of
[01:46:44] <chr0n1c> i'm not really sure
[01:46:51] <SWPadnos> as far as headroom is concerned, 0.185 should be enough (that's more than 10%)
[01:47:03] <chr0n1c> ten ipm seems to be all, direct drive on the 5 tpi leadscrews
[01:47:46] <chr0n1c> the X is moving the x carriage and the whole y slide
[01:47:49] <SWPadnos> you should probably set the stepgen max just a tad under the max the motors can do, and reduce the AXIS_N max below that number
[01:47:52] <chr0n1c> so it bogs down when i go faster
[01:47:58] <chr0n1c> so i set them all to .1667
[01:48:26] <chr0n1c> tiny tiny motors
[01:48:35] <SWPadnos> if you experiment a bit, you may find that Y and Z can move faster than X, and that's perfectly
[01:48:39] <chr0n1c> and only running on 5V
[01:48:50] <SWPadnos> "legal" for EMC (it handles different limits pretty well)
[01:48:51] <SWPadnos> heh
[01:49:04] <chr0n1c> i almost got my hobby cnc card done
[01:49:13] <chr0n1c> i been combing the net for some bigger motors
[01:49:13] <SWPadnos> (sorry, <enter> is too close to <"> :) )
[01:49:20] <chr0n1c> i still wanna do direct drive
[01:49:29] <chr0n1c> .002 resolution is fine with me!
[01:49:49] <SWPadnos> if you have higher power motors, you're better off using some gearing
[01:50:13] <chr0n1c> why so...? (cause i really wanna no...)
[01:50:18] <chr0n1c> (not bein a smartass)
[01:50:19] <SWPadnos> that's not for resolution reasons, it's because a stepper delivers its max power at or above the corner frequency
[01:50:39] <SWPadnos> if you're below the corner freq, then you're belolw max power
[01:50:48] <chr0n1c> somewhere in the middle of the range you mean?
[01:50:52] <chr0n1c> of speed...
[01:51:29] <SWPadnos> err - depends on where the corner freq is :)
[01:51:42] <SWPadnos> which also depends on the supply voltage, if you're using a chopper drive
[01:51:48] <chr0n1c> i definately need a better pc to run the emc2 on... 106556 was my latenvy test with a file browser, the text editor, and firefox running
[01:51:59] <SWPadnos> ouch
[01:52:09] <chr0n1c> i will be using a chopper when my hobby cnc is done...
[01:52:15] <SWPadnos> what wast the speed of this PC?
[01:52:16] <chr0n1c> hobbycnc board*
[01:52:27] <chr0n1c> don't laugh m'kay?
[01:52:28] <chr0n1c> lol
[01:52:34] <chr0n1c> p2 233
[01:52:38] <SWPadnos> hmm
[01:52:57] <SWPadnos> does it have integrated video?
[01:53:11] <chr0n1c> i found out some of my speed problem.. was because the slides and balscrews had never been lubed
[01:53:21] <chr0n1c> now it studders a lot less
[01:53:25] <chr0n1c> i may be able to go faster
[01:53:29] <chr0n1c> yes
[01:53:34] <chr0n1c> i read that earlier on the wiki
[01:53:44] <chr0n1c> about a cheap pci vid card
[01:53:46] <SWPadnos> get a cheap Matrox card for it, and see what happens to latency
[01:53:47] <SWPadnos> right
[01:54:33] <chr0n1c> i saw so many machines on the net running emc... which was your swp?
[01:55:03] <chr0n1c> here is mine... ohiopctech.com/cnc/ the pics are from a few revisions ago...
[01:55:21] <SWPadnos> I have no photos of my CNC, since I haven't done the conversion yet ;)
[01:55:28] <chr0n1c> it's constantly being upgraded as far as the machine parts go
[01:55:31] <chr0n1c> oh...
[01:55:53] <SWPadnos> http://www.sover.net/~swp/mill/ may still have photos of the machine from before I bought it
[01:56:05] <SWPadnos> yep, some photos there
[01:56:14] <chr0n1c> yup
[01:56:20] <chr0n1c> do the conversion!
[01:56:21] <chr0n1c> lol
[01:56:25] <chr0n1c> it's awesome
[01:56:26] <SWPadnos> but none of the whole machine, which is a Bridgeport, if you can't tell :)
[01:56:36] <chr0n1c> i figured
[01:56:46] <SWPadnos> getting to it. I've installed nice ballscrews, and made one motor mount
[01:57:07] <SWPadnos> I have a Z motor mount as well, but it requires some drilling and tapping in the head, so I haven't done it yet
[01:57:25] <chr0n1c> you can make ghetto parts to get it working then make good parts with the machine to replace them
[01:57:27] <SWPadnos> I still need to make another motor mount, then I'll have the impetus to attack the electronics
[01:57:30] <chr0n1c> that's what i did
[01:57:42] <SWPadnos> yep, that's the more-or-less plan
[01:59:08] <chr0n1c> i got my mini mill running a program to peck drill some hole for a fan grille in my control box...
[01:59:23] <chr0n1c> just cutting air.. exercising the machine lol...
[01:59:38] <chr0n1c> holes* about 50 .125 holes
[02:00:31] <chr0n1c> i have been running the program and then checking where it goes back to home when it's done to see if it's repeatable
[02:00:52] <chr0n1c> so far if i do it at about 10 ipm or less... it's ok
[02:01:08] <chr0n1c> no lost steps, motors don't bog out
[02:01:15] <chr0n1c> and it repeats!
[02:01:21] <SWPadnos> cool
[02:05:44] <chr0n1c> i finally got my velocity set "close" to right...
[02:05:56] <chr0n1c> i can bounce the z axis up and down with page up and page down keys
[02:06:00] <chr0n1c> it's fun
[02:06:08] <chr0n1c> for like 30 seconds...
[02:06:57] <chr0n1c> i am seeing how you can make emc have any kind of personality that you want for your machine...
[02:10:16] <chr0n1c> ehh... ok, have fun folks
[02:11:09] <toastydeath> fffff
[02:45:44] <eric_u> I'm thinking about making estop throw a contactor and depowering my mill
[02:46:14] <eric_u> if I do that, should I just have the fault signals from my motor drives also throw an estop?
[04:24:31] <Jymmmmmmm> Well, was running RTAI test and glxgears and system keeps crasjing X over and over.
[04:26:11] <Jymmmmmmm> Guess I'm gonna just rebuild. Is using the live cd doing a fresh instll ok?
[04:26:30] <jmkasunich> should be
[04:33:30] <Jymmmmmmm> ok thanks.
[04:35:18] <Jymmmmmmm> Man, I tell ya... I've been fighting this for a long long time, between getting replacement parts for the machine itself, replacing the xylotex board, re adjusting the drivers, making the enclosure, dealing witht the ovverheating, etc etc etc, I'm getting tired anymore
[04:37:18] <Jymmmmmmm> It's been almost two years since I started this, and I'm not much more along than I really should be.
[04:38:59] <Jymmmmmmm> I keep the shipping label of the driver and motors pinned to the wall as a constant reminder (as it has the date on it), and I grow weary.
[04:47:57] <chr0n1c> awww jymm
[04:48:27] <chr0n1c> YOU CAN DO IT!
[04:48:39] <chr0n1c> ok, i'm goinfg to taco bell... ;)
[04:48:46] <chr0n1c> going even
[05:04:58] <toastydeath> fff
[05:54:07] <cradek> Jymmmmmmm: if the system crashes when you run the rtai test and glxgears, you have a hardware problem and reinstalling 100 times won't help
[05:59:06] <jmkasunich> cradek: you're up late
[06:02:08] <cradek> yeah
[06:02:44] <jmkasunich> I'm having a very unproductive evening... just wasn't in the mood for coding
[06:02:53] <jmkasunich> so I'm perusing newegg
[06:03:01] <cradek> I've had that urge too
[06:03:23] <cradek> I'm working on smp+rtai kernel packages, got some progress tonight
[06:03:34] <jmkasunich> which urge? blowing off an evening, or perusing newegg
[06:03:39] <cradek> new hardware urge
[06:03:42] <jmkasunich> ah
[06:03:54] <jmkasunich> I'm trying to decide intel or amd...
[06:04:06] <jmkasunich> it was easier when AMD had the clear lead
[06:04:12] <cradek> going for 2 core or 4?
[06:04:19] <jmkasunich> hard to say
[06:04:39] <eric_u> doesn't intel have the clear lead now?
[06:04:51] <jmkasunich> yeah, that seems to be the case
[06:04:57] <jmkasunich> although nothing is really clear
[06:05:05] <eric_u> hard to compare nowadays
[06:05:10] <jmkasunich> yeah
[06:05:12] <cradek> once you do all the brainwork let me know the winner - maybe I'll buy it too
[06:05:18] <jmkasunich> lol
[06:05:21] <eric_u> I always bought the competitors chip
[06:05:27] <jmkasunich> AMD?
[06:05:33] <eric_u> or cyrix
[06:05:35] <jmkasunich> thats what I'm using now
[06:05:41] <jmkasunich> (AMD)
[06:05:43] <eric_u> I have an AMD too
[06:05:57] <jmkasunich> and what I was planning, until I started looking around more
[06:06:04] <cradek> NEC V20?
[06:06:12] <eric_u> never had one of those
[06:06:44] <jmkasunich> newegg has intel E6600 for $235, which is several steps closer to the top of the line than any AMDs at that price (I think)
[06:06:51] <jmkasunich> so now I'm looking at mobos it will fit
[06:09:38] <cradek> "you won't have to slow down for virus scan" (intel propoganda page)
[06:09:53] <jmkasunich> I never have to slow down for virus scan
[06:10:11] <cradek> yeah I don't recall ever having that problem either
[06:11:03] <cradek> my problem is I could spend $600-1000 on a 4 core system that I'd rarely need, or I could spend the same money on a cool laptop (that I'd also rarely need)
[06:11:23] <cradek> if I were smart, I'd probably do neither
[06:11:54] <jmkasunich> I've already decided to be not smart
[06:12:04] <jmkasunich> bought the hard disk the other day - I'm committed ;-)
[06:13:26] <cradek> the internet says intel will cut prices on the E6600 Apr 22
[06:13:34] <jmkasunich> hmm
[06:13:56] <jmkasunich> I didn't realize how much cheaper desktop CPUs are compared to server ones
[06:14:52] <jmkasunich> top of the line athlon is only $240, that only gets you about 1-2 steps up from the bottom of opterons
[06:16:11] <cradek> jmkasunich: you said you have a couple working smp PIII machines?
[06:16:29] <jmkasunich> top of the line core duo (E6700) is 485, but the next step down E6600 only 235
[06:16:31] <jmkasunich> yes
[06:16:58] <cradek> I may ask for your help testing tomorrow then
[06:17:03] <jmkasunich> one in a tower, on rackmount
[06:17:18] <jmkasunich> s/on/one
[06:17:45] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: Yeah, I'm going to install on a another system
[06:18:07] <jmkasunich> I should be able to get the tower running
[06:18:08] <Jymmmmmmm> Dual P3 1g with 2gb ram
[06:18:24] <jmkasunich> I'm pretty sure it has ubuntu on it, might be breezy
[06:18:33] <jmkasunich> the rackmount one I don't think as an OS installed
[06:19:41] <cradek> Jymmmmmmm: I'd like to find me one of those.
[06:19:53] <cradek> jmkasunich: ok cool, let's see if I get myself out of bed tomorrow though
[06:20:07] <jmkasunich> I never get up early on the weekend
[06:20:26] <cradek> of course, that's a disorder
[06:20:27] <jmkasunich> don't look for me before noon
[06:20:53] <cradek> I can try it on my PII first anyway - but if it works I'll want to try it on some different systems
[06:21:18] <jmkasunich> you have P2 smp?
[06:21:29] <cradek> yes the mill is on it
[06:21:39] <cradek> only using one processor currently of course
[06:22:08] <cradek> would be nice to have the second one so AXIS works better
[06:22:36] <jmkasunich> yeah
[06:22:51] <cradek> in the best possible world, the smp kernel would run on all machines, and we could update everyone
[06:22:59] <cradek> I'm not holding my breath
[06:23:48] <eric_u> I forget why, but reading the help in kernel config led me to believe it wasn't going to work too well to have smp kernel on uniprocessor machines
[06:23:54] <eric_u> should boot though
[06:24:42] <cradek> eric_u: I think it's totally normal to run that way - but rtai is what worries me
[06:25:17] <eric_u> me too, they probably don't see the purpose of that configuration
[06:25:47] <eric_u> the kernel notes say "runs slower on uniprocessor" in a couple of places
[06:29:06] <eric_u> smp support has this to say:If
[06:29:05] <eric_u> you say Y here, the kernel will run on many, but not all,
[06:29:05] <eric_u> singleprocessor machines. On a singleprocessor machine, the kernel
[06:29:05] <eric_u> will run faster if you say N here.
[07:10:35] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: rtai doens't like dual cpu's?
[07:12:40] <Jymmmmmmm> I think my biggest issue is finding a video card that has some balls for the systems I have. Most are server boards with on board video
[07:14:19] <CIA-19> 03petev 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/hal/components/boss_plc.c: -Hard coded PLC for Bridgeport BOSS. Completely un-tested at this point.
[07:16:26] <CIA-19> 03petev 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/ (Makefile Makefile.inc.in): -Added boss_plc.
[07:21:22] <alex_joni> Jymmmmmmm: what do you need a big graphics card for?
[07:21:46] <Jymmm> alex_joni so I dont have to wait 10 seconds to switch between apps
[07:22:17] <alex_joni> if you say..
[07:22:28] <Jymmm> 4mb of video ram if pretty sad
[07:22:33] <Jymmm> is
[07:23:13] <Jymmm> hell X won't even run in anything other than 800x600
[07:23:24] <Jymmm> sometimes just 640x480
[07:24:40] <Jymmm> ok, laters filks
[07:24:43] <Jymmm> folks
[07:24:46] <alex_joni> what color depth?
[07:24:57] <Jymmm> 24
[07:25:10] <alex_joni> use 16, and you'll get more resolution
[07:25:27] <Jymmm> I do too many graphics to be that low
[07:25:48] <alex_joni> well. if you do graphics, then 4mb might be too low
[07:26:02] <alex_joni> I'd get a 15$ card with 16MB at least
[07:26:27] <Jymmm> try to find a pci card
[07:28:05] <alex_joni> I have a couple around
[07:28:17] <alex_joni> and the local fleamarket can spawn dozens more
[07:28:20] <Jymmm> alex_joni stop on by =)
[07:28:33] <alex_joni> sure, you'll have to buy 10 to get one that works ok.. but at the price..
[07:30:57] <alex_joni> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250104669640&ssPageName=MERC_VI_RSCC_Pr4_PcN_BIN_Stores_IT&refitem=250104754673&itemcount=4&refwidgetloc=active_view_item&usedrule1=StoreCatToStoreCat&refwidgettype=cross_promot_widget
[07:33:06] <feoc> you could even get a 64 meg card these days for not a lot
[07:33:33] <Jymmm> alex_joni that only has 8mb ram
[07:35:58] <alex_joni> Jymmm: well.. lots of 64 nvidias
[07:36:23] <alex_joni> but those are only ok for RT if you use the OSS driver (e.g. no accell)
[07:37:29] <Jymmm> but not many PCI
[07:39:03] <feoc> pci will be harder to find
[07:39:43] <alex_joni> http://search.ebay.com/search/search.dll?from=R40&satitle=graphics+card+pci+64mb&category0=
[10:36:23] <robin_sz> meep?
[10:36:35] <robin_sz> and yet another perfect day in geneve
[11:39:41] <feoc> moo
[11:40:07] <feoc> looks like all of next months wages has been successfully ebayed away today
[11:41:11] <feoc> :)
[12:05:35] <robin_sz> heh, on what exactly?
[12:05:44] <feoc> plasma cutter
[12:05:50] <robin_sz> oh, heh
[12:05:53] <robin_sz> 3 phase?
[12:05:56] <feoc> yup
[12:06:07] <robin_sz> hypertherm?
[12:06:14] <feoc> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190103106527
[12:06:24] <feoc> nah L-tec
[12:07:18] <robin_sz> not heard of them much ...
[12:07:21] <feoc> nor i
[12:07:31] <feoc> think there an old make
[12:07:38] <robin_sz> * robin_sz shrugs
[12:07:47] <robin_sz> looks big enough for CNC use anyway
[12:07:51] <feoc> yeah
[12:08:00] <feoc> want to fit it with a water injected torch if i can
[12:08:11] <robin_sz> mmm ... why?
[12:08:27] <feoc> more concentrated plasma stream
[12:08:40] <feoc> better accuracy and neater
[12:08:49] <alex_joni> I find it odd that it doesn't cut with compressed air
[12:08:55] <robin_sz> new one on me
[12:09:11] <feoc> alex_joni for cutting stainless nitrogen is better
[12:09:18] <robin_sz> a sort of cheap version of hi-def plasma?
[12:09:18] <alex_joni> feoc: I know that
[12:09:38] <alex_joni> I jsut find it odd that one machine can't use compressed air at all..
[12:09:38] <feoc> yah
[12:09:45] <feoc> i bet it probably can
[12:09:55] <robin_sz> if it will take pure N2 it should be OK on air
[12:10:07] <alex_joni> robin_sz: that's what I thought too
[12:10:15] <robin_sz> quite
[12:10:26] <feoc> just coz that what they wrote doesnt make it true
[12:10:33] <robin_sz> water injection is not something I know about
[12:10:36] <feoc> and im cutting stainless anyway so even if it is i dont care much
[12:10:40] <robin_sz> alex_joni, seen that?
[12:10:46] <alex_joni> robin_sz: nope
[12:10:50] <robin_sz> me niether
[12:11:23] <alex_joni> anyways.. think I'll go out and enjoy the weather
[12:11:30] <robin_sz> im in geneva again
[12:12:11] <feoc> http://www.praxair.com/praxair.nsf/AllContent/641292709A218CFC85256E7C006B9A69/$File/P-8236.pdf
[12:12:17] <feoc> theres a bit in there about water injection
[12:12:27] <alex_joni> holy sh*t.. forecast says 80F/27C for tuesday
[12:12:32] <feoc> basicly the water inpinges on the plasma stream and contricts it further
[12:14:26] <feoc> what i have to decide on is if i want to build the table with a water bed or not
[12:14:30] <alex_joni> did some plasma welding this week
[12:14:35] <alex_joni> 1-1.5A :)
[12:15:11] <feoc> want to try keep the fumes to a minimum so i dont choke myself
[12:15:21] <robin_sz> under bed extraction is the best way
[12:15:41] <feoc> could do
[12:15:45] <feoc> thats what i was thinking
[12:15:59] <feoc> but the water bed is supposed to be quite good too
[12:17:34] <alex_joni> catch you guys later
[12:17:36] <alex_joni> bbl
[12:17:36] <feoc> guess underbed extraction would be a lot simpler
[12:17:54] <feoc> just rivet a some alloy sheet around the table and fit a big ol fan
[12:23:46] <feoc> right im gonna shoot gonna go some some work on my mill
[12:30:28] <robin_sz> water is nice if you enjoy having your parts dripping wet
[12:37:34] <robin_sz> err
[12:38:03] <robin_sz> fnarr
[13:14:05] <NightHawk> Hi to All!
[13:50:31] <robin_sz> meep?
[14:21:42] <Martin_Lundstrom> Hello everyone
[14:21:54] <Martin_Lundstrom> Dallur, are you around?
[15:10:14] <Jymmmmmmm> any reason why I couldn't use debian instead of ubuntu?
[15:12:40] <SWPadnos_> SWPadnos_ is now known as SWPadnos
[15:20:18] <Jymmmmmmm> do you still need a swap part in this day and age? 384mb
[15:20:20] <Jymmmmmmm> ram
[15:22:51] <jmkasunich> bloat expands to fill the available space
[15:24:25] <Jymmmmmmm> ah
[15:24:33] <cradek> depends what you want to happen if something ever needs > 384
[15:25:18] <Jymmmmmmm> ok, fair enough
[15:25:59] <Jymmmmmmm> cradek: when you said I might have a HW issue, what leads you to believe that instead of posisbles a SW/driver issue?
[15:26:28] <cradek> you're using the same software to run emc as many other people
[15:26:52] <Jymmmmmmm> ok, but I also had many many issues upgrading too
[15:27:21] <cradek> yeah but those were all ... well forget it
[15:27:29] <cradek> :-)
[15:27:57] <Jymmmmmmm> lets hear it, not all were PEBKAC
[15:37:15] <robin_sz> I'm still trying to find that special Apache module for Ubuntu
[15:37:49] <Jymmmmmmm> http://special.apache.org
[15:38:15] <robin_sz> they have a special one to make your server fall over and become unresponsive to pings
[15:39:59] <robin_sz> I dont think its in Debian, seems to be Ubuntu specific
[15:40:08] <robin_sz> http://www.theregister.com/2007/04/19/ubuntu_website_down/
[16:35:13] <Jymmmmmmm> Is there any reason why the "EMC Configuration Selector" couldn't display the version info?
[16:35:46] <anonimasu> Jymmmmmmm: well, debian should work just fine..
[16:35:55] <anonimasu> welcome to dependency hell :D
[16:36:04] <Jymmmmmmm> ?
[16:36:32] <anonimasu> debian is a dependency mess.
[16:36:45] <Jymmmmmmm> GUi wise?
[16:36:52] <anonimasu> no
[16:38:10] <Jymmmmmmm> How do I tell what resolution I'm currently at?
[16:38:58] <Jymmmmmmm> I have such a hard time when I'm using a lo res
[16:39:20] <anonimasu> try ctrl + alt + +
[16:39:29] <anonimasu> "ctrl alt +"
[16:39:33] <anonimasu> to increase it
[16:39:36] <anonimasu> and - to decrease
[16:39:42] <Jymmmmmmm> Yeah, the switch beteen res, but I want to know what res I'm currently at
[16:40:28] <anonimasu> I dont know
[16:40:35] <Jymmmmmmm> =)
[16:57:29] <CIA-19> 03cradek 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/hal/drivers/pluto_servo.comp: silly C90 fix
[17:16:40] <Jymmmmmmm> is it /home/jim/emc2/config the path I can save to and will show up on the menu?
[17:18:31] <cradek> Jymmmmmmm: at the end of "man emc" you can see the currently configured search path for configs
[18:17:15] <CIA-19> 03petev 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/hal/components/boss_plc.c:
[18:17:15] <CIA-19> -Added some functionality.
[18:17:15] <CIA-19> -Did some minor testing.
[18:23:33] <Skullworks_PGAB> petev : for a BP?
[18:30:31] <bytecolor> can you call axis directly?
[19:24:40] <Jymmmm> Fatal server error" Caught signal 11. Server aborting xinit: conneciton to X server lost.
[19:24:50] <Jymmmm> Would that be logged anywhere?
[19:24:56] <cradek> /var/log/Xorg.0.log
[19:25:03] <Jymmmm> looking...
[19:25:04] <cradek> but it'll pretty much just say that
[19:25:51] <eric_u> sig 11 is often memory error
[19:26:31] <cradek> is this a new setup, or a proven system that's now crashing?
[19:26:33] <Jymmmm> video or system?
[19:26:46] <Jymmmm> video or system memory?
[19:26:53] <cradek> could be anything
[19:26:59] <eric_u> system I think
[19:27:13] <Jymmmm> Ok, I have more ram I could toss in/swap out
[19:27:15] <cradek> bad system ram makes random programs crash, system hangs, etc
[19:27:21] <cradek> run memtest first
[19:29:13] <Jymmmm> it only has 384 in it, I was planning on tossing in 512 at least anyway. More if I can se how much it'll accept
[19:37:32] <Jymmmm> oh cool can install 768MB
[19:37:49] <Jymmmm> I didn't know this..... ECC DIMMs have an odd number of memory chips on the module and non-ECC DIMMs have an even number of chips.
[19:38:05] <Jymmmm> learn something new everyday =)
[19:38:52] <Jymmmm> I think I have a 850MHz cpu around here too
[19:39:31] <Skullworks_PGAB> ECC runs a bit slower...
[19:40:01] <Skullworks_PGAB> not that it matters any
[19:40:05] <Jymmmm> Not sure what I have yet, just box full of 256's
[19:40:58] <Jymmmm> I'd still like to know what is crashing X. I wonder if the screensaver has anything todo with it.
[19:41:42] <Jymmmm> no errors on memtest yet @ 9%
[19:41:51] <anonimasu> 9% heh
[19:41:52] <anonimasu> leave it on overnight
[19:42:11] <Jymmmm> yeah, might toss other ram in it first though
[19:43:19] <Jymmmm> Well, got the 32" TV recycled today, pretty painless and I didn't even have to get out of the car too
[19:45:07] <Jymmmm> they had dropodd centers at the local walmarts
[19:45:40] <Skullworks_PGAB> * Skullworks_PGAB remembers when TV's were reduced to floor sweepings at the shooting range...
[19:45:49] <Jymmmm> tv monitor computers etc
[19:46:14] <Jymmmm> Well, the range up here asks no glass or produce. washer and dryers are ok though
[19:46:39] <Jymmmm> no frig's either - freon
[19:48:18] <Jymmmm> And the closest BLM is 125 miles away
[19:48:35] <Skullworks_PGAB> where you at?
[19:48:49] <Jymmmm> San Jose Calif
[19:49:07] <Skullworks_PGAB> * Skullworks_PGAB heart bleeds for you...
[19:49:15] <Jymmmm> y
[19:50:34] <Jymmmm> why?
[19:51:36] <Skullworks_PGAB> I kinda figured it was CA - with there extra speciall tax on electronic goods to fund the recycle pickups
[19:52:10] <Skullworks_PGAB> * Skullworks_PGAB grew up in SoCal
[19:52:41] <Jymmmm> You a valley boy?
[19:52:47] <Skullworks_PGAB> kinda
[19:53:00] <Jymmmm> which valley?
[19:53:32] <Skullworks_PGAB> still love listening to KROQ reruns from the 80's that are streamed from live365.com
[19:53:47] <Jymmmm> * Jymmmm misses KROQ
[19:54:04] <Jymmmm> 106.7
[19:54:20] <Jymmmm> or was it 106.9
[19:54:28] <Skullworks_PGAB> grew up in Glendale, worked in Burbank, then in Hollywood at KABC TV
[19:54:35] <Skullworks_PGAB> 106.7
[19:54:59] <Jymmmm> Oh, just on the edge of the valley
[19:55:15] <Jymmmm> I usd to work at Dow Electronics
[19:55:25] <Skullworks_PGAB> some guy got the play lists and station ID drop ins - so 1980 - 1990 is streamed
[19:55:48] <Jymmmm> cool, will have to check it out
[19:56:12] <Jymmmm> Skullworks_PGAB: So, where you at now?
[19:56:35] <Skullworks_PGAB> Colorado Springs, CO
[19:56:41] <Jymmmm> AH\h
[19:56:52] <Skullworks_PGAB> I bailed out in March 1989
[19:57:15] <Skullworks_PGAB> moved back to the "free" midwest
[19:57:22] <Jymmmm> Heh, as we're drung back my gf pointed to come high rise bldg and told me the condos in there start at $600K
[19:57:35] <Skullworks_PGAB> CA is what I refer to as the domesticated west.
[19:57:37] <Jymmmm> I'm like OH HELL NO!
[19:57:50] <Jymmmm> Well I'm native, so... eh
[19:57:57] <Skullworks_PGAB> I was too
[19:58:35] <Jymmmm> Ok, tossed in 768MB, will let memtest run all night.
[19:58:58] <Jymmmm> If I can ever get going here, would consider living "elsewhere"
[19:59:04] <Skullworks_PGAB> a friend lives in St Helena - property values often jump 200% in 18 months - its truely insane.
[19:59:36] <Skullworks_PGAB> ( napa valley )
[19:59:37] <Jymmmm> I have a friend that just bought 4 acres and is paying $150/mortgage
[19:59:50] <Jymmmm> makes me wanna puck
[19:59:52] <Jymmmm> puke
[20:00:15] <Skullworks_PGAB> location = pick your problems
[20:00:19] <Jymmmm> Just drove my storage place... "Starting at $79/mo" WTF?!?!?!
[20:00:24] <Jymmmm> s/my/by/
[20:01:08] <Skullworks_PGAB> storage units cost a ton due to local taxes and the insurance they carry
[20:01:26] <Jymmmm> you uy your own insurance
[20:01:29] <Jymmmm> buy
[20:02:02] <Skullworks_PGAB> true - but they still carry insurance - or the lawyers would own the joints.
[20:05:52] <Skullworks_PGAB> here is a link to the KROQ stream
[20:05:54] <Skullworks_PGAB> http://www.live365.com/stations/lextasy2
[20:07:18] <Skullworks_PGAB> he's at the start - doing 1980 currently
[20:41:58] <Sapote> hi all!
[20:42:05] <Sapote> anybody speak spanish?
[20:42:33] <cradek> sorry I don't think so
[20:44:47] <Sapote> i build a small cnc, with 3 axes and control by parallel port and linux with outb. Somebody know about schematic driver will work with emc?
[20:45:49] <cradek> emc can generate many kinds of outputs for stepper motors on the parallel port: step/direction and many kinds of winding activation
[20:46:21] <cradek> what signals does your control use?
[20:47:48] <Sapote> actually manage direct mosfets with 74ls175 and 74ls09
[20:48:00] <cradek> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/HAL_User_Manual.pdf
[20:48:14] <cradek> Sapote: see page 75-76 in this manual
[20:49:54] <Sapote> ok
[20:49:57] <Sapote> i read now
[20:52:20] <feoc> moo
[20:52:26] <Sapote> exist any gpl schematic for control?
[20:55:34] <renesis> hehe, gpl hardware
[20:56:02] <Sapote> hehehe
[20:56:20] <eric_u> there is the open hardware project
[20:56:19] <Sapote> yeah
[20:56:22] <Sapote> if not exist.. i make them
[20:56:59] <eric_u> plenty of people have published designs, but the do tend to be lower performance. Gecko provides a rational upper bound on what makes sense
[20:57:11] <eric_u> to build yourself
[20:58:34] <feoc> what do people do for torch height control with emc ?
[21:05:47] <feoc> never mind found it on wiki
[21:31:30] <Jymmmm> feoc: Moo?
[21:31:50] <feoc> Jymmmm couldnt think of anything else to say :)
[21:31:55] <Jymmmm> feoc: if your machine is moo'ing, I think you have bigger problems
[21:32:17] <Jymmmm> feoc: not to mention the bio waster cleanupo
[21:32:57] <feoc> lol
[21:33:18] <Jymmmm> when running memtest, at what point would it typically fail?
[21:33:29] <feoc> at the bit thats broken ?
[21:34:03] <Jymmmm> I didn't know if one portion of the test was more abusive thatn the others
[21:34:28] <Jymmmm> like a burnin test
[21:34:47] <anonimasu> Jymmmm: just let it run overnight..
[21:35:07] <anonimasu> :)
[21:35:08] <Jymmmm> anonimasu: I will, was just curious
[21:35:23] <anonimasu> Jymmmm: I've never had a failure so I have no clue..
[21:35:33] <feoc> nor i
[21:35:41] <Jymmmm> I'd rather give it a burnin test, but not aware of any that I can bootup from
[21:36:09] <feoc> hmmmf
[21:36:13] <feoc> i need another computer
[21:36:45] <feoc> dont think iv got enough bits around now
[21:36:57] <feoc> last lot went into the box for the lathe
[21:37:00] <Jymmmm> feoc: bits bytes, whats the difference
[21:37:28] <anonimasu> Jymmmm: a byte would be 8 pices of computer hardware..
[21:38:00] <feoc> :)
[21:38:07] <Jymmmm> * Jymmmm always thought a byte was somethng you needed a rabis shot for
[21:38:42] <feoc> only if you cant spell :)
[21:38:46] <Jymmmm> it
[21:39:04] <Jymmmm> :)
[21:39:09] <Jymmmm> =)
[21:39:16] <feoc> that only works if i say spell it :)
[21:39:30] <Jymmmm> lies! all lies!
[21:44:42] <feoc> wonder if its worth using a mesa board for my plasma table
[21:44:53] <feoc> suppose a plain ol parralel setup could work ok
[21:47:36] <Jymmmm> jmk-kayak: That some wifi you got going there, hope it's waterproof for 8 ft
[21:49:01] <jmkasunich> heh
[21:50:16] <jmkasunich> http://developer.novell.com/yes/55238.htm
[21:50:56] <Jymmmm> System realtime clock
[22:01:06] <asdfq-shop> Hoo-rah! I finally got the final parts of my Taig CNC mill
[22:01:38] <asdfq-shop> However, it took so long to ship that I've forgotten why I wanted it :(
[22:24:13] <feoc> gnight all
[22:49:14] <Jymmmm> woo hoo, 1 cycke completed, 85 togo
[23:13:06] <alex_joni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w2mj-Sq2oeo
[23:26:23] <eric_u> comments at youtube will make you stupid
[23:26:36] <eric_u> but it's like watching a trainwreck
[23:27:23] <eric_u> can't ... force ... self ... to ... look... away ...
[23:45:58] <Jymmmm> Thus why I don't do youtube
[23:51:11] <cradek> k