#emc | Logs for 2007-03-29

[00:00:42] <ejholmgren> don't think you can acutally buy it as a Sieg in the states, unless you have it shipped directly from China
[00:07:25] <toastydeath> for a second i thought you guys were talking about ILLEGAL HALLUCINOGENIC DRUGS
[00:07:33] <toastydeath> then i remembered skimming quickly is not reading
[00:07:41] <toastydeath> and rectifed the situation
[00:14:15] <ejholmgren> O_o
[00:22:03] <toastydeath> not that i would be all "oh my god" if you were
[00:26:16] <ejholmgren> * ejholmgren takes the drugs back out of hiding
[00:26:21] <ejholmgren> ah
[01:03:44] <ds3> anyone here on a yahoogroup?
[01:15:50] <skunkworks> a couple... yahoo groups remind me of the early 90s ;)
[01:16:54] <ds3> is yahoo flooding you with dups?
[01:17:55] <skunkworks> email notifacations?
[01:19:50] <ds3> no, the messages
[01:20:04] <ds3> I am getting about 10 copies of each
[01:20:07] <ds3> each post
[01:22:22] <skunkworks> not seeing that
[01:23:44] <skunkworks> turbocnc isn't doing it but cad-cam-dro-mumble mumble seems to be
[01:25:08] <skunkworks> and geko
[01:39:02] <tomp> jepler: i has some success using 'tintfu' dot file editor, but had to run it on an older debian sarge system. it's a java app. this box has Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build Blackdown-1.4.2-02) and the same app wont render the same file. http://tintfu.sourceforge.net/
[02:08:06] <eric_u> I downloaded tinfu, and it doesn't quite work
[02:08:24] <eric_u> in particular, it interprets node [fontsize = 24]; as a node
[02:10:38] <eric_u> I guess "doesn't render" is a description of what it did
[02:11:17] <tomp> eric_u: did it allow a new layout, and load that new layout? ( my 'didnt render' was a blank window )
[02:11:53] <eric_u> no, it misinterpreted font and node shape commands
[02:12:26] <eric_u> it actually rendered it's misinterpretation pretty well
[02:13:08] <eric_u> whatever "swap rank is" can fix some problems
[02:13:48] <tomp> what jre are you using? i had good luck with simple files on debian sarge with a sun jre, not on this ubuntu/blackdown jre (swap rank is swap 'row' or hierarchy)
[02:14:14] <eric_u> it's later than they support, I don't have any old machines
[02:16:33] <tomp> i saw a note about 'matt' having a version that ran with 1.3 but didnt see if that was a latest-greatest or a back-compatible version.
[02:16:54] <eric_u> that's the one I was using
[02:17:40] <tomp> ah, that blows up with java.beans.PropertyVetoException: Illegal state transition in [DotFileParser]: from 'nodeAttrib' to 'expectedEquals' never even get a window on this box
[02:18:27] <tomp> 'write once, run anywhere' :)
[02:19:26] <eric_u> well, they discovered their language wasn't as pure as they thought it was and decided to make it a lot less useable
[02:20:02] <eric_u> there were a batch of java true believers that worked near me that left us with some really nasty maintenance problems
[02:20:35] <eric_u> but that's just the engineer in me talking
[03:08:40] <tomp> this command ran with jre-blackdown-1.4.2-02 "java -cp tintfu_x_y_z.jar net.sourceforge.tintfu.DotEditor" and i changed, saved, & reloaded ok
[03:35:38] <tomp> tintfu sems to run with that special invocation, but has no facilities to re-arrange the graph ( ie: untangle or clarify ). I can add elements, change shapes colors, layers... but not what i wanted to do :(
[03:42:48] <eric_u> I am trying to draw a self-loop on a finite state machine node, and I'd like to have it not intersect the other edges
[03:43:45] <tomp> there a python interface to dot, i'm looking at now. if you are interested http://dkbza.org/pydot.html
[03:52:19] <tomp> and here's some info on how to make some space between items ( may help your problem ) and ... (really spiffy) how to use custom shapes and icons http://www.karakas-online.de/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2647
[03:52:47] <eric_u> thanks, I could use some pointers
[03:53:01] <toastydeath> int *p;
[03:53:04] <toastydeath> int *r;
[03:53:06] <toastydeath> glad i could help.
[03:53:23] <eric_u> yer a spankbottom
[03:54:38] <tomp> i have to go back to the original dot pdf's and see what modifiers are available ( why do i always start on these adventures at 11pm ?? )
[04:29:23] <renesis> okay these wiggler edge finders are way scarier then the sprung cylinder edge finders
[04:29:48] <renesis> little thing gonne hit my fixture nut and break into pieces and cut of my head
[04:30:00] <toastydeath> why are you using a wiggler
[04:30:15] <renesis> cuz i needed to reference off a .125" slot
[04:30:31] <renesis> and the wiggler set has a .1" cylinder tip
[04:30:31] <toastydeath> lol.
[04:31:12] <renesis> im put the .2" edge finder thinger that shit doesnt whip out and try and get me and the fixture
[04:32:08] <renesis> axis is neat, i like reference the part and my gcode all line up with the simulated spindle thing
[04:35:34] <toastydeath> you can pick the edge up with a dial test indicator
[04:35:40] <toastydeath> if you have a small gauge block
[05:07:25] <jmkasunich> hi matt
[05:07:29] <jmkasunich> late hours, eh?
[05:07:42] <cradek> join the club
[05:08:04] <cradek> (I'm still at work!)
[05:08:13] <jmkasunich> ouch!
[05:08:16] <jmkasunich> crisis?
[05:08:35] <cradek> some intricate upgrades
[05:08:53] <cradek> so it's a long series of averted crises :-)
[05:08:57] <jmkasunich> oh, one of those "admin works while everybody else is away" things
[05:09:02] <cradek> yep
[05:09:25] <cradek> almost done, I think
[05:09:41] <jmkasunich> shh
[05:09:46] <jmkasunich> don't say that until it IS done
[05:09:49] <cradek> there are some perks - I can turn up the music to whatever volume I want
[05:09:59] <cradek> nobody looks funny at me for drinking beer
[05:10:11] <cradek> I am, however, wearing pants
[05:10:13] <jmkasunich> so what is your preferred late night tunes
[05:10:18] <jmkasunich> thats good to know
[05:10:22] <cradek> right now it's 'Cake'
[05:10:35] <jmkasunich> if ever you are not wearing pants, please don't tell me ;-)
[05:10:55] <toastydeath> signed
[05:11:02] <cradek> with such lyrics as "with fingernails that shine like justice"
[05:11:15] <toastydeath> i know my fingernails shine with justice.
[05:11:35] <jmkasunich> I'm more of a classic rock guy myself
[05:11:41] <jmkasunich> (never heard of Cake;-)
[05:11:51] <cradek> I like a huge variety
[05:12:46] <mshaver> hey guys!
[05:12:48] <cradek> hi matt
[05:12:51] <jmkasunich> hey matt!
[05:13:28] <mshaver> rebooted today & finally remembered to restart XChat
[05:13:56] <jmkasunich> heh
[05:14:05] <cradek> glad to hear you missed us
[05:14:25] <jmkasunich> remember the thread a week or two ago - some guy was upset because he had to manually power down is machine (with the RT kernel)
[05:14:34] <mshaver> what'd I miss? Oh... yea, right
[05:14:39] <jmkasunich> silly windows user - you're not supposed to power it down!
[05:14:53] <renesis> but my power bill =( =( =(
[05:15:14] <jmkasunich> an idling PC doesn't use that much power
[05:15:29] <cradek> the monitor does, but they all power save automatically now
[05:15:30] <renesis> you guys have patched src for the rt kernel?
[05:15:40] <jmkasunich> mine serves my website, runs the compile farm, and is available if I want to log in remotely (besides lurking on this channel so I can read it when I get home)
[05:15:42] <cradek> renesis: apt-get source
[05:15:59] <renesis> will the acpi stuff work with the rt stuff?
[05:16:24] <cradek> it's possible you can turn on some ACPI things and not break RT, but I wouldn't
[05:16:30] <cradek> it would take a lot of experimentation
[05:16:33] <renesis> oh, okies nm then
[05:16:43] <cradek> and you might break compatibility with our releases
[05:16:50] <mshaver> I talked a bit with this guy today: http://www.steammachines.com/
[05:16:56] <jmkasunich> my uptime is only 11 days... so sad
[05:17:08] <renesis> yeah i just dropped the livecd emc on my hdd and everything works
[05:17:26] <renesis> i installed some dev stuff to build gcam, all that stuff worked too
[05:17:30] <cradek> an excellent reason not to mess with it :-)
[05:17:34] <jmkasunich> I dereferenced a null pointer in kernel space when I was doing the stepgen changes - wish there was a way to unload a borked module
[05:17:35] <renesis> jes
[05:17:43] <cradek> we worked hard on that!
[05:17:58] <renesis> well, im changing wm
[05:18:02] <renesis> the livecd?
[05:18:21] <cradek> yes, but the packaging of the realtime kernel and emc2 specifically
[05:18:42] <cradek> 00:18:30 up 480 days, 23:39
[05:18:56] <cradek> my home server - you can tell when we had the last long power outage
[05:19:13] <renesis> you have ups?
[05:19:17] <jmkasunich> impressive
[05:19:28] <cradek> yes it handles the short glitches, but it doesn't last very long
[05:19:28] <mshaver> yes it is
[05:19:54] <CIA-19> 03jmkasunich 07TRUNK * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/ (hal_stepgen_block_diag.dxf stepgen-block-diag.eps): redrew stepgen block diagram to reflect recent changes (velocity mode, and revised timing params)
[05:19:56] <cradek> nah, it's nothing, I've had 5 years several times between work and home
[05:20:03] <jmkasunich> I think mine was 28 days before - the previous shutdown was to install a UPS ;-)
[05:20:07] <mshaver> file server? or printing too?
[05:20:26] <cradek> the home machine is an everything-server
[05:20:36] <cradek> runs a bunch of thin clients and various other things
[05:20:57] <mshaver> my household used to be all ltsp
[05:21:25] <mshaver> but kids had to have windows :(
[05:22:00] <jmkasunich> darned kids
[05:22:02] <cradek> man, if you can't fix "no C compiler found in path" ...
[05:22:18] <jmkasunich> you shouldn't be compiling
[05:22:23] <cradek> after days of bombarding a mailing list without searching even once for docs
[05:22:35] <cradek> that's just amazing to me
[05:22:55] <mshaver> I'm actually typing this on the allen-bradley industrial pc jmk gave me a few years ago
[05:23:08] <cradek> jmk gives us such cool stuff doesn't he
[05:23:15] <jmkasunich> shouldn't that guy be able to do apt-get install build-dep?
[05:23:26] <cradek> of course, if he had a clue
[05:23:29] <jmkasunich> work throws away such cool stuff
[05:23:48] <jmkasunich> well, knowing about build-dep isn't newbie knowledge
[05:24:02] <cradek> google "ubuntu compile"
[05:24:09] <cradek> or "compile emc2"
[05:24:17] <jmkasunich> and I'm not sure, but I think it will try to fetch stuff from universe
[05:24:31] <mshaver> i've got it up to almost 1G of ram, so it runs pretty good. I hope it'll do Feisty in a month or so...
[05:24:48] <cradek> did they switch to jellovision by default yet?
[05:24:56] <cradek> jigglywindows?
[05:24:59] <cradek> whatever it's called
[05:25:13] <mshaver> it's easily installed, but no, not default
[05:25:20] <jmkasunich> mshaver: is that the one with a bajillion slots, and the "mobo" on a card?
[05:25:31] <mshaver> jellovision, I like that!
[05:25:42] <renesis> anyway in axis to see elapsed cycle time?
[05:25:43] <mshaver> jmkasuich: yep!
[05:25:58] <jmkasunich> 500MHz or so P3, right?
[05:26:02] <mshaver> i havenit filled up all the slots yet...
[05:26:29] <mshaver> yep, 500/pc/10G, now with about 850MB
[05:26:36] <mshaver> p3 i maen
[05:26:39] <mshaver> mean
[05:26:46] <mshaver> 1:00am...
[05:28:30] <jmkasunich> ohh, he actually tried build-dep
[05:28:36] <jmkasunich> he is worthy of help ;-)
[05:28:40] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich replies
[05:28:55] <cradek> aha
[05:28:59] <cradek> it only took a few days
[05:29:59] <jmkasunich> if it doesn't find lyx-qt, will it give up in a snit, or install everything else?
[05:30:08] <jmkasunich> if the former, I have to splain how to add a repository
[05:30:15] <jmkasunich> if the latter, I can tell him to ignore it
[05:30:28] <jmkasunich> it - apt-get
[05:31:05] <mshaver> anyway, got to go take the trash down to the road & then pass out. Been spending my days lately soldering up cnc test stuff (encoders/stg card/servo motors and amps, step motors, etc). I've got HEAD reading an encoder through an STGv1 card, so anyday I should have a whole system up and going to test with.
[05:31:36] <mshaver> no lyx on my test pc & no problems
[05:32:20] <jmkasunich> I know - but if the entire "apt-get install build-dep" command failed because of one missing package, then he still won't have the other stuff he needs
[05:33:07] <mshaver> I can't remeber if I install build-dep, or did all the dependecies one by one...
[05:34:09] <mshaver> so build-dep is a meta package I guess that takes care of all those things...
[05:34:32] <mshaver> but lyx-qt isn't in the defult repos?
[05:34:41] <jmkasunich> I don't think so
[05:35:11] <jmkasunich> or maybe its something more obscure than that - latex2html or some such package is needed to build docs, and that isn't in the normal repositories
[05:35:18] <mshaver> I should go try it (build-dep), hold on...
[05:35:25] <jmkasunich> I have lyx-qt already installed here
[05:35:37] <jmkasunich> and I don't know how to figure out what repo it was installed _from_
[05:35:41] <mshaver> i know I don't!
[05:35:49] <mshaver> let me see what happens
[05:36:13] <cradek> jmkasunich: apt-cache show
[05:36:56] <jmkasunich> universe
[05:36:58] <jmkasunich> thank you
[05:38:30] <mshaver> can't find package build-dep
[05:38:39] <mshaver> there's a build-essential
[05:38:49] <cradek> apt-get build-dep emc2
[05:39:00] <mshaver> ok trying...
[05:40:02] <mshaver> yep, lyx-qt "cannot be found"
[05:40:33] <mshaver> he just has to check "universe" in Synaptic though?
[05:41:14] <jmkasunich> I think
[05:41:29] <jmkasunich> repository management with synaptic is something I haven't messed with
[05:41:39] <jmkasunich> so I can't tell him the clicky way
[05:41:45] <cradek> mshaver: yes
[05:41:48] <jmkasunich> and I'm not in the mood to spell out the editor way
[05:41:48] <mshaver> it's the easy way!
[05:41:50] <cradek> mshaver: it's on the 'add' window
[05:41:58] <mshaver> yep
[05:42:31] <mshaver> I fiddle alot with that to add things like codewaevers wine to my regular desktop
[05:42:58] <jmkasunich> mshaver: can you post a message to that guy telling him how to enable universe?
[05:43:28] <mshaver> sure! the guy on devel who said help me to compile? let me look...
[05:43:39] <jmkasunich> yeah, him
[05:43:49] <jmkasunich> I just sent a couple replies
[05:46:27] <mshaver> replying now...
[05:53:50] <jmkasunich> goodnight guys
[05:59:49] <mshaver> reply is done! GOOD NIGHT!!!
[06:01:43] <cradek> night
[06:47:36] <SWPadnos_> SWPadnos_ is now known as SWPadnos
[13:09:30] <skunkworks> lots of netsplits recently
[13:09:48] <jepler> yeah I've noticed that too
[13:10:01] <jepler> maybe it's raining on the freenodes
[13:10:06] <jepler> how are you skunkworks ?
[13:10:06] <skunkworks> hi jepler
[13:10:16] <skunkworks> Good - back is sore from all the moving :)
[13:10:24] <jepler> I bet
[13:10:53] <skunkworks> How are your progects coming?
[13:10:56] <skunkworks> projects
[13:11:25] <xemet> hi
[13:11:55] <xemet> I would like to have two halui pin to increase or decrease the jog scale...is it possible to implement it?
[13:12:22] <xemet> something like the feed override:
[13:12:24] <xemet> halui.feed-override.increase bit // pin for increasing the FO (+=scale)
[13:12:44] <xemet> halui.feed-override.decrease bit // pin for decreasing the FO (-=scale)
[13:12:45] <jepler> in software everything is possible
[13:13:27] <jepler> skunkworks: I put a new bug in AXIS in the last release 2.1.4 and I need to finish testing the fix
[13:14:10] <alex_joni> xemet: you can use some HAL things to do that
[13:15:18] <xemet> alex: of course I can, but if there are halui pins it is easier
[13:16:01] <xemet> what theese pins do? halui.jog.0.minus bit
[13:16:13] <xemet> alui.jog.0.plus
[13:16:49] <skunkworks> jepler: I never have that problem with my programs... ;)
[13:19:43] <jepler> bbl
[13:27:39] <skunkworks> hmm - the 14ft planer would be nice....
[17:59:34] <CIA-19> 03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py: revert merge of 1.67: the jog button bugfix caused more serious problems than the original problem
[18:00:52] <skunkworks> that is a little funny :)
[18:01:04] <CIA-19> 03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/debian/changelog: note reversion of one item from 2.14; bump version number
[19:39:44] <renesis_> dry erase markers #1 for notes on monitor (POWERUP STEPPERS!!!, eheh)
[19:43:24] <Jymmmm> renesis_ bad idea, the clearcoat on crt's likes to absorb stuff like that.
[19:43:51] <anonimasu> :p
[19:43:55] <anonimasu> I have some alcohol to fix that..
[19:44:11] <Jymmmm> which eats away at the clearcoat =)
[19:44:44] <anonimasu> Jymmmm: so, they sell clearcoat on spray?
[19:45:18] <Jymmmm> anonimasu Not that I've ever seen.
[19:45:39] <anonimasu> Jymmmm: it's not the same kind but wtf..
[19:45:47] <anonimasu> you know for clearcoating stuff you paint
[19:46:24] <Jymmmm> oh, heh...
[19:47:22] <Jymmmm> sigh, I *ALWAYS* forget... whats tha site that has machine center video? dynaSOMETHING?
[19:48:31] <anonimasu> datrondynamics?
[19:49:08] <Jymmmm> looking...
[19:51:54] <alex_joni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhbBWNcV5dA
[19:51:58] <alex_joni> anonimasu: friends of yours?
[19:52:53] <anonimasu> no
[19:53:05] <anonimasu> but it's very very nearby
[19:53:11] <anonimasu> 50km..
[19:54:45] <renesis_> Jymmmm: looks fine
[19:55:15] <renesis_> hell is cleaner where the dry erase was, theres dust film every where else
[19:56:14] <renesis_> and acrylic clearcoat spray = awesome
[19:56:48] <Jymmmm> heh
[20:42:30] <alex_joni> http://www.google.com/search?&rls=en&q=g-code
[20:44:17] <roltek> alex why you looking up g-code
[20:44:38] <alex_joni> roltek: I just find it funny that linuxcnc.org is the first hit on the list
[20:44:58] <alex_joni> s/funny/nice/
[20:45:31] <roltek> only if g-code we are using is correct
[20:46:18] <alex_joni> roltek: didn't quite get that..
[20:47:22] <roltek> why does emc developers use o-words nobody in machine tool industry does
[20:48:01] <anonimasu> roltek: what kind of words would we use otherwise?
[20:49:04] <alex_joni> * alex_joni uses F-words
[20:49:09] <roltek> are o-words used in other industrial controls or do they use macro's and sub program's
[20:49:44] <anonimasu> well, some controls use their own languages..
[20:49:45] <jackc> jackc is now known as crepincdotcom`
[20:50:01] <anonimasu> some does subprograms and macros..
[20:50:02] <cradek> rs274d has O words - check your machinery's handbook
[20:50:08] <toastydeath> O words are used
[20:50:10] <toastydeath> wtf are you talking about
[20:50:34] <roltek> there is g-code in emc that is not industry standard which is hard for post process
[20:50:42] <alex_joni> see.. toastydeath used an f-word too
[20:50:53] <toastydeath> there is plenty of non standard g-code in EMC
[20:50:54] <alex_joni> roltek: there is no industry standard
[20:50:57] <toastydeath> o-words are not part of that
[20:51:34] <anonimasu> toastydeath: I dont think you can get around that..
[20:51:38] <anonimasu> err roltek..
[20:51:43] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[20:51:51] <anonimasu> roltek: as we want that functionality to be there..
[20:51:59] <alex_joni> roltek: the good news is that you can always change it..
[20:52:00] <cradek> goodnight
[20:52:03] <toastydeath> why on earth would you want to remove O-words
[20:52:04] <jepler> see you alex
[20:52:10] <alex_joni> goodnight chris & jeff & all
[20:52:13] <anonimasu> roltek: it's kind of bad to omit features you want because they arent in the standard..
[20:52:23] <anonimasu> roltek: or do you have a better idea?
[20:52:30] <roltek> do you think what the developers are trying to do with emc has not been done before
[20:52:40] <toastydeath> roltek: o words are WIDELY used in industry
[20:52:43] <toastydeath> wiiiideeellyyy
[20:52:44] <cradek> there is no standard except rs274d which DOES have O words
[20:52:51] <toastydeath> wide, wide, wide useage
[20:53:40] <toastydeath> bar feeders, especially
[20:53:48] <toastydeath> nobody wants to re-write bar feed code
[20:54:15] <roltek> do the developers consider them selves as rs274
[20:54:18] <renesis_> roltek: hehe, Haas machine controllers wont run code without o-words
[20:54:26] <renesis_> kinda kills your statement about industry machines
[20:54:56] <renesis_> you can use owords to jump to other files for subroutines, too
[20:54:58] <anonimasu> the heidenhain controls use O words.. also
[20:55:06] <renesis_> hehe, my cnc instructor didnt even know about that
[20:55:09] <roltek> i will look if you use them for the same thing i admit being wrong
[20:55:26] <renesis_> i did all his hass mill assignments in like one main file and a few little subroutines files
[20:55:31] <anonimasu> roltek: so, even if anyone is wrong do you suggest we remove them?
[20:55:49] <roltek> is in there milling machine book
[20:56:03] <toastydeath> roltek:
[20:56:07] <toastydeath> what's your job.
[20:56:10] <toastydeath> what do you do for a living.
[20:56:18] <anonimasu> roltek: even though we may follow a standard, emc is a generic controller.. remember that..
[20:56:35] <renesis_> whats wrong with owords?
[20:56:35] <roltek> no developer's of emc can do what they like
[20:56:36] <anonimasu> :)
[20:57:07] <toastydeath> saying you want to take O-words out of a g-code implementation is like saying you don't need your feet, so cut them off
[20:57:26] <roltek> is there any control that starts tool comp on arc
[20:57:32] <renesis_> only if you do everything feet first
[20:57:40] <toastydeath> i usually walk feet first.
[20:57:47] <toastydeath> the rest of me is along for the ride!
[20:57:56] <toastydeath> i'm sure i could hobble around though
[20:57:58] <toastydeath> on stumps
[20:57:58] <renesis_> youre weak real men walk on their elbows!
[20:57:58] <roltek> me too
[20:58:20] <cradek> roltek: you think we shouldn't do anything if all the other controls don't also do it? I think that's very silly
[20:58:23] <roltek> only after they have had a few
[20:58:30] <anonimasu> roltek: I think the post incompability is your own problem..
[20:58:37] <toastydeath> guys, i'm confused as hell here - o words are all over the bloody place
[20:58:45] <renesis_> youre machine doesnt like o words?
[20:58:45] <toastydeath> emc is being VERY industry standard by supporting o-words
[20:58:51] <anonimasu> roltek: rather your cam program reseller's if you are prepared to pay for them..
[20:58:57] <anonimasu> roltek: that's a very standard thing.
[20:58:58] <cradek> single arc entry to tool comp is very nice - and nobody requires you use it
[20:59:19] <roltek> i think it's silly that emc developer's think there better than fanuc or haas developer's
[20:59:26] <renesis_> what does emc use o words for that snt standard?
[20:59:31] <toastydeath> uh, both Haas and Fanuc use O-words
[20:59:43] <toastydeath> heavily
[20:59:43] <anonimasu> roltek: you can always buy a fanuc control..
[20:59:48] <renesis_> yeah i dont think a haas will read a file without an oword on top line
[21:00:01] <toastydeath> there are even g-codes that take o-words as arguements
[21:00:04] <renesis_> in fact
[21:00:14] <renesis_> the haas wont even read a file not named after an oword
[21:00:16] <anonimasu> they are cheap, I think 11480$ for the control. and 1428 per axis..
[21:00:17] <renesis_> oddly
[21:00:18] <toastydeath> both haas and fanuc STORE programs based on O-word
[21:00:31] <renesis_> you needed to name your files like O6666
[21:00:32] <anonimasu> their economy model ;)
[21:00:37] <roltek> that's wright o word's are stored program
[21:01:02] <toastydeath> yeah, and if you need to call an external program from inside another program
[21:01:05] <roltek> that's how you call a program from file
[21:01:06] <toastydeath> you better have O-word support
[21:01:20] <toastydeath> roltek, i think you are high
[21:01:25] <anonimasu> agreed..
[21:01:37] <anonimasu> roltek: If you dont like it feel free to implement a haas interpreter.
[21:01:39] <anonimasu> or a fanuc..
[21:01:45] <anonimasu> or heidenhain conversational..
[21:01:54] <roltek> i i don't think most of you can run a real machine tool
[21:02:01] <toastydeath> i DO run real machine tools
[21:02:13] <anonimasu> I do that too..
[21:02:16] <cradek> haha
[21:02:17] <anonimasu> I made 40 parts after lunch..
[21:02:17] <renesis_> roltek: dude, i use haas controllers at school, they dont work at all without o-wrds
[21:02:21] <renesis_> they refuse
[21:02:23] <cradek> this is getting sillier
[21:02:26] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:02:31] <anonimasu> cradek: Mine's bigger then yours ;)
[21:02:42] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is laughing
[21:02:43] <cradek> anonimasu: you couldn't even handle one as big asmine
[21:02:49] <anonimasu> cradek: hehe
[21:03:15] <renesis_> okay so what is it emc devs use o-words as?
[21:03:17] <renesis_> thats pissing him off?
[21:03:21] <anonimasu> roltek: stop being a silly bastard.
[21:03:26] <renesis_> and why does he needs o-words in his code anyway?
[21:03:28] <roltek> ok
[21:03:28] <toastydeath> guys i really think roltek is high.
[21:03:38] <anonimasu> roltek: no offence meant..
[21:03:39] <renesis_> pfft i wish i was high
[21:03:41] <toastydeath> i can't explain this any other way.
[21:03:54] <toastydeath> hey man i'm not saying it's a bad thing but really, that's the only way to explain this
[21:03:58] <jepler> toastydeath: guys try to keep this on a professional level
[21:04:06] <toastydeath> =(
[21:04:06] <renesis_> roltek == troll || bad english
[21:04:24] <anonimasu> roltek: why are O words bad?
[21:04:40] <renesis_> why does he need to use them even if they are?
[21:04:54] <rayh> logger_emc: bookmark
[21:04:54] <rayh> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2007-03-29.txt
[21:05:05] <anonimasu> if you have a real point please get to it.
[21:05:27] <roltek> it never said they were bad i just said industry does not use them
[21:05:35] <toastydeath> but industry does use them?
[21:05:44] <anonimasu> roltek: That's a misconception of yours.
[21:05:49] <renesis_> the controller example you gave wont run without them?
[21:05:50] <roltek> for calling program's
[21:05:59] <renesis_> um, yes?
[21:06:07] <toastydeath> yeah, our barfeeders need O words
[21:06:08] <roltek> that's it
[21:06:12] <toastydeath> to call the programs it loops
[21:06:35] <toastydeath> and so do some of our wacky lathes that have an entirely seperate toolchanger program
[21:07:18] <renesis_> okay so its in the spec
[21:07:20] <renesis_> its in emc
[21:07:26] <renesis_> its used in industry
[21:07:29] <jepler> I personally think that stuff like repetition should be done in the program that generates G-code, but kenneth has done a good job making sure that code which doesn't use O-words isn't affected by O-words, so it doesn't stop my existing G0/G1/G2/G3/M2 code from working.
[21:07:40] <jepler> and on occasion I've used O-words when it suited me
[21:07:49] <toastydeath> jepler: we code all our stuff by hand
[21:08:08] <renesis_> hand coders #1
[21:08:14] <jepler> toastydeath: yeah, and more power to you
[21:08:16] <renesis_> software code = silly =D
[21:08:17] <anonimasu> the stuff I use most on the machine at work is repeat..
[21:08:38] <jepler> toastydeath: personally I use O-words rarely and wouldn't mind if they weren't there .. but I'm glad they are there to serve users like you , who find that they're valuable
[21:08:49] <toastydeath> tru
[21:08:52] <renesis_> seriously, like software will make something you could do in a few lines of standard canned cycle like 200K of text
[21:08:54] <toastydeath> TY FOR YOUR SUPPORT
[21:09:52] <toastydeath> actually i work with a dude who used to program in APT
[21:10:13] <toastydeath> and he set the postprocessor up to not use canned cycles at all, and make the program as a long as possible
[21:10:20] <toastydeath> because the machinists would go in and change stuff
[21:11:13] <renesis_> sounds like a worker issue, not a gcode, issue, heheh
[21:11:14] <toastydeath> his stories make me laugh
[21:11:22] <toastydeath> yeah, it was
[21:11:28] <toastydeath> but a clever workaround to the human problem
[21:11:32] <renesis_> good solution i guess, tho
[21:11:34] <renesis_> yeah
[21:11:47] <renesis_> be a bitch to hand redo the stuff
[21:12:16] <toastydeath> yeah, that's why they did it - how the shop was set up, they never wanted a modified program running
[21:12:20] <toastydeath> it was aerospace stuff
[21:12:21] <Jymmmm> Heh, would be funny that if he included something in there that if it got modified that it would really machine out a message "QUIT MUCKING AROUND WITH THE CODE"
[21:12:26] <renesis_> damn
[21:12:41] <toastydeath> hahahah
[21:12:45] <anonimasu> Jymmmm: you can do that on some controls ;)
[21:12:45] <renesis_> if aerospace machinists are changing shit, they shouldnt be aerospace machinist
[21:12:47] <toastydeath> "what is the machine doing, i did not code this"
[21:12:55] <renesis_> they nc ops, not programmers
[21:13:09] <toastydeath> yeah, this was back in the day though
[21:13:20] <renesis_> hehe, bored machinists
[21:13:24] <toastydeath> i imagine they have more stringent employee rules now
[21:13:28] <anonimasu> hehe
[21:13:35] <anonimasu> I'd hate to just run a machine all day long
[21:13:35] <Jymmmm> or file locks =)
[21:13:38] <renesis_> 'i just gotta watch it? how will it know when to turn itself up when the deadline is coming'
[21:13:54] <anonimasu> programming feels more rewarding :)
[21:13:59] <renesis_> yeah you could send over read only files pretty easy
[21:14:02] <toastydeath> running a machine all day does kind of suck
[21:14:03] <renesis_> on a lunix system
[21:14:13] <renesis_> toastydeath: yeah is hard to do other stuff too
[21:14:22] <renesis_> like im supposed to be doing homeworks right now
[21:14:41] <toastydeath> it's not so bad if the part takes like 20 minutes though
[21:14:45] <toastydeath> you can read a book or whatever.
[21:14:46] <renesis_> but machine is feeding on Al so im always glancing over couple times a min
[21:14:52] <toastydeath> har
[21:14:55] <renesis_> well this is like 24 hour part
[21:15:03] <anonimasu> renesis_: neat :)
[21:15:05] <renesis_> cuz little mill, deep pockets and slots
[21:15:08] <toastydeath> ahhh
[21:15:36] <anonimasu> that's when I feel a need for a 60krp spindle
[21:15:36] <anonimasu> m
[21:15:39] <Jymmmm> I actualyl like watching my creations come to life.
[21:15:48] <renesis_> http://gcam.js.cx/index.php/Manual_Example_2_-_Aluminum_Heatsink_for_Dual_60w_Audio_IC_with_Integrated_Jack_Panel
[21:15:56] <toastydeath> watching a creation come to life a hundred times over the course of a couple hours
[21:15:59] <toastydeath> for days
[21:16:00] <renesis_> text isnt done, i got most the pics up tho
[21:16:01] <anonimasu> Jymmmm: I to that also
[21:16:14] <anonimasu> Jymmmm: but making 100's of parts gets boring
[21:16:16] <toastydeath> isn't the most thought provoking job
[21:16:21] <Jymmmm> anonimasu true =)
[21:16:34] <renesis_> yeah i wanna do some little parts after this
[21:16:49] <anonimasu> renesis_: how big is your mill?
[21:16:53] <renesis_> 8ft square bars worth of tslot nuts or something
[21:16:59] <renesis_> 12x5.5x6
[21:17:07] <renesis_> so the part is 4 setups
[21:17:17] <anonimasu> ah..
[21:17:25] <anonimasu> I can see why it takes 24 hours :)
[21:17:47] <renesis_> getting used to speeds and feeds, too
[21:17:54] <renesis_> renesis_ is now known as renesis
[21:17:54] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[21:18:03] <renesis> hehe, cobalt sucks
[21:18:15] <renesis> i broke 3 in like the first 6 hours or so
[21:18:29] <jepler> bbl
[21:18:33] <renesis> i done like 30+ hours, same carbide cutter
[21:18:34] <anonimasu> HSS works good
[21:18:38] <renesis> same speeds, feeds
[21:18:47] <anonimasu> though compared to carbide inserts they suck :D
[21:18:51] <renesis> well the deep slots were wearing out the bits
[21:18:54] <anonimasu> err inserts/cutters..
[21:19:17] <anonimasu> :)
[21:19:24] <toastydeath> zirconium coatings on carbide
[21:19:27] <toastydeath> tears through aluminum
[21:19:35] <anonimasu> how many passes for the slots?
[21:21:30] <anonimasu> toastydeath: I always found speeds/feeds tricky
[21:21:32] <toastydeath> A MILLION
[21:21:34] <toastydeath> ?
[21:21:36] <toastydeath> how so?
[21:21:39] <anonimasu> argh
[21:21:43] <renesis> anonimasu: .02 cuts, is .6" deep
[21:21:54] <renesis> have to get longer than standard .125" cutters
[21:22:11] <renesis> hehe, the cobalt weekended, was bending like 10-15 degrees last slot
[21:22:20] <renesis> bend, hop/cut, bend, hop/cut
[21:22:28] <anonimasu> ouch
[21:22:33] <renesis> for hours, when it broke i was like 'damn finally'
[21:22:42] <anonimasu> :D
[21:22:43] <renesis> yeah the chip recutting was wearing it out i think
[21:22:53] <toastydeath> cobalt is just a different hss alloy
[21:22:54] <renesis> the carbide is still sharp
[21:23:04] <toastydeath> so it still has all the same problems
[21:23:09] <renesis> yeah hss/cobalt is for woods and plastic, heheh
[21:23:09] <anonimasu> renesis: if you have compressed air it helps alot..
[21:23:19] <anonimasu> just to keep chips away
[21:23:23] <renesis> im using baby oil
[21:23:30] <renesis> i wont use air
[21:23:34] <toastydeath> why not?
[21:23:36] <anonimasu> that dosent help the chips get away..
[21:23:40] <renesis> is in my bedroom, so dont wanna make mess
[21:23:42] <toastydeath> oh.
[21:23:49] <toastydeath> i don't know if i would use baby oil, but sure.
[21:23:58] <renesis> mineral oil, fragrance
[21:23:59] <anonimasu> sure it'll cut better with lube but chips are still in the cut..
[21:24:03] <anonimasu> :)
[21:24:17] <anonimasu> I usually run by the tooling manufacturer feeds/speeds
[21:24:19] <renesis> mineral oil = first mentioned lube in machine bible
[21:24:26] <toastydeath> i run it by sound
[21:24:28] <renesis> plus is cheap, and hella hella available
[21:24:29] <anonimasu> then back of just a bit, or feed harder..
[21:24:37] <renesis> i run out lube at 3a, is all good
[21:24:38] <toastydeath> usually wind up way way over the mfg specs
[21:24:45] <renesis> 10min bikeride and im cutting again
[21:24:59] <anonimasu> toastydeath: my manufacturer specifies maximum removal rate vs tool wear :p
[21:25:05] <anonimasu> toastydeath: makes for some scary cuts..
[21:25:32] <anonimasu> they deliver any cutters overnight by air also.. which is pretty insane
[21:25:35] <toastydeath> yeah, but unless you've got super detailed charts of what your mfg reccomends for all the different kinds of alloys
[21:25:43] <anonimasu> well, I have..
[21:25:44] <anonimasu> :D
[21:25:51] <anonimasu> it's a pc program called dormer selector..
[21:25:54] <renesis> not my alloy
[21:26:05] <toastydeath> you have a chart that details all the different speeds for every aluminum alloy and aluminum temper?
[21:26:10] <anonimasu> almost..
[21:26:13] <anonimasu> a shitload of them atleast..
[21:26:17] <toastydeath> lol.
[21:26:23] <renesis> mines half soda can, half 6061, plus pennies for zinc (heh)
[21:26:30] <toastydeath> hahahah
[21:26:36] <anonimasu> they specify stuff for machining graphite too..
[21:26:51] <renesis> how about low fired ceramic?
[21:26:55] <toastydeath> Glass?
[21:26:57] <toastydeath> plutonium?
[21:27:00] <anonimasu> haha
[21:27:02] <anonimasu> let me check..
[21:27:05] <toastydeath> =)
[21:27:20] <anonimasu> http://www.dormertools.com/
[21:27:28] <anonimasu> if you click on selector..
[21:27:44] <renesis> i wanna try ceramic stuff, my gf has masters in arts, she runs the kilns at her school
[21:28:04] <toastydeath> machining ceramics is kind of difficult
[21:28:10] <toastydeath> even free-machining ceramics
[21:28:10] <renesis> hehe, some of the grad student tried to cast aluminum but they sucked at it
[21:28:16] <renesis> jes i know =\
[21:28:37] <renesis> i was playing with some greenware and im like 'i could machine this'
[21:28:49] <renesis> shes like 'yeah right, how you gonna hold it...'
[21:29:00] <renesis> im like, 'umm.... uuuumm...' heh
[21:29:01] <toastydeath> "carefully"
[21:29:12] <toastydeath> pie jaws
[21:29:22] <toastydeath> mmm pie.
[21:29:23] <anonimasu> they dont have uranium ;)
[21:29:27] <anonimasu> but they have ceramics..
[21:29:31] <anonimasu> as choice..
[21:29:55] <toastydeath> I'd cut greenware with a PCD insert
[21:30:04] <toastydeath> held in with pie jaws or a faceplate
[21:30:10] <toastydeath> at like 2 rpm
[21:30:17] <anonimasu> :)
[21:30:18] <toastydeath> with 65 degrees of negative rake
[21:30:19] <renesis> heh
[21:30:28] <toastydeath> awww yeah.
[21:31:15] <toastydeath> WE CAN DO THIS, GUYS.
[21:34:02] <renesis> prob better to just make stuff to make molds from
[21:34:19] <renesis> excuse to buy delrin, mmm
[21:34:35] <anonimasu> hehe
[21:34:47] <renesis> OH
[21:34:53] <renesis> i figured out what the vibrating noise is
[21:35:14] <renesis> is the leg locks on the conf table i built the enclosure on
[21:35:17] <Jymmmm> * Jymmmm could say something, but won't
[21:35:29] <Jymmmm> Jymmmm is now known as Jymmm
[21:35:39] <toastydeath> jymmm: i think you and i had the same thought
[21:35:53] <renesis> kep being like wtf why are my leadscrews rattling =O
[21:35:59] <anonimasu> haha
[21:36:10] <Jymmm> renesis Be leary of laytex alergies
[21:36:23] <renesis> i use polyurethane condoms
[21:36:43] <Jymmm> renesis Not the condoms, the vibrators
[21:37:15] <renesis> i dunno no girlie i gave one too complained yet
[21:37:29] <renesis> i dont think they were latex tho, some kind of soft plastic
[21:37:39] <Jymmm> World's Largest Dildo ---> http://www.passionforpleasure.com/huge_dildos.htm
[21:38:02] <renesis> 14" long?
[21:38:18] <Jymmm> gotta love the "WARNING" though! lol
[21:38:21] <toastydeath> that material is bad for you
[21:38:24] <renesis> is not so big theres bigger
[21:38:31] <toastydeath> the jelly stuff.
[21:38:43] <renesis> * renesis has a prob with biggest ever label
[21:38:44] <toastydeath> it causes a burning skin reaction in most people
[21:39:14] <toastydeath> just uh.
[21:39:17] <toastydeath> you know, a heads up.
[21:39:18] <renesis> hell double dildos like 3ft sometimes
[21:39:48] <toastydeath> i don't think duallies reach the same proportions
[21:39:52] <toastydeath> that this single, monster wang does
[21:40:03] <Jymmm> but I wouldn't suspect that the whole 36" will be insert
[21:40:11] <renesis> i dunno man 14" dont seem that big
[21:40:17] <toastydeath> somebody will
[21:40:19] <renesis> i seen bigger single ones too in insertion vids, heheh
[21:40:22] <toastydeath> the gay community
[21:40:28] <toastydeath> is startlingly adaptive
[21:40:34] <renesis> eheheh
[21:40:35] <Jymmm> rotf
[21:40:51] <Jymmm> he said "adaptive"! heh heh heh
[21:40:56] <renesis> im just saying, when he said biggest ever, i expected much, much more
[21:41:04] <toastydeath> to be honest, i did too
[21:41:09] <renesis> it does have like 3" on my circumfrence, tho
[21:41:10] <toastydeath> like a giant paper miche wang
[21:41:14] <toastydeath> outside someone's house
[21:41:21] <toastydeath> that like, danced
[21:41:23] <Jymmm> maybe they meant "usable" and not just "novelty"
[21:41:23] <renesis> or like at least something a few feet
[21:41:33] <renesis> dude i seen bigger single dildos used
[21:41:39] <renesis> i was like =O =O =O
[21:41:41] <toastydeath> yeah
[21:41:43] <anonimasu> remember the logger
[21:41:44] <anonimasu> :D
[21:42:10] <toastydeath> great, now i've got to go to school
[21:42:13] <renesis> what, machine tools are no doubt used in the machine of dildo molds
[21:42:19] <toastydeath> thanks guys, for putting all these weird mental images
[21:42:19] <Jymmm> anonimasu: He did say he was making molds and had vibrations
[21:42:20] <anonimasu> haha
[21:42:27] <toastydeath> renesis: acutally they arent'!
[21:42:36] <renesis> i bet sometimews!
[21:42:38] <toastydeath> well, yes
[21:42:39] <anonimasu> haha
[21:42:44] <toastydeath> sometimes.
[21:42:48] <toastydeath> BUT NOT VERY OFTEN.
[21:42:56] <jan___> jan___ is now known as JayBeee
[21:42:57] <renesis> like, those perfect rod with rounded ends one look precision
[21:43:00] <toastydeath> i saw a show on how they got made.
[21:43:03] <toastydeath> one time.
[21:43:04] <renesis> prob an NC lathe made the first
[21:43:05] <Jymmm> toastydeath You siad aweful athorative on the subject
[21:43:11] <toastydeath> i am!
[21:43:12] <Jymmm> s/siad/sound/
[21:43:15] <Jymmm> lol
[21:43:20] <toastydeath> when you have a bunch of lesbian friends
[21:43:23] <renesis> toastydeath: is usually mold tech
[21:43:24] <toastydeath> you hear some disturbing things
[21:43:32] <toastydeath> also gay friends
[21:43:36] <toastydeath> more disturbing from the gay friends
[21:43:46] <anonimasu> * anonimasu goes to bed
[21:43:47] <Jymmm> toastydeath so, howmany have you made, and have you done any prototype testing?
[21:43:49] <renesis> gays are dirty sex ninja
[21:43:56] <toastydeath> i have not made any =(
[21:43:59] <renesis> Jymmm: i want to
[21:44:03] <Jymmm> ah
[21:44:04] <toastydeath> that would be epic
[21:44:05] <renesis> im not kidding either, i live in pr0n capital
[21:44:11] <toastydeath> goddamnit i have to go to school
[21:44:13] <Jymmm> SF?
[21:44:14] <renesis> theres prob like 20 sex shops in the valley
[21:44:15] <anonimasu> I wonder if there would be a market if you custom made them..
[21:44:17] <anonimasu> on order
[21:44:19] <renesis> no san fernando valley
[21:44:28] <toastydeath> anonimasu: already done
[21:44:30] <renesis> SF aint pr0n cap, hahaha
[21:44:33] <Jymmm> renesis Ha! Try N. Hollywood
[21:44:37] <toastydeath> they make custom molds for vaginas and penii
[21:44:40] <renesis> that is the valley foolio
[21:44:40] <toastydeath> vaginae?
[21:44:44] <toastydeath> i do not even know
[21:45:36] <anonimasu> night
[21:45:37] <anonimasu> :)
[21:45:37] <toastydeath> what i do know is that those companies are pretty popular
[21:45:37] <toastydeath> l8rz
[21:45:37] <renesis> hehe, n hollywood is SE valley
[21:45:37] <renesis> bye anonimasu
[21:45:37] <Jymmm> g'night anonimasu
[21:45:37] <renesis> n hollywood, van nuys, and chatsworth
[21:45:47] <Jymmm> Sunset Blvd on Sunday Afternoons
[21:46:01] <renesis> heh, thats not pron as much as hookers
[21:46:23] <renesis> sunset goes thru west hollywood tho, thats like gay cap of the world
[21:46:28] <Jymmm> nah, it's when all the freaks come out on display, prett funny stuff
[21:46:51] <renesis> i know, ive lived in hollywood squatter style
[21:46:54] <renesis> fun place at 3a
[21:47:35] <Jymmm> I just whish I had a good camera when I lived in SoCal
[21:48:31] <Jymmm> I do now, but there aint crap up here to photograph.
[21:48:46] <renesis> heh, is funny i dont think much of that stuff is pic worthy
[21:48:53] <renesis> is just normal
[21:49:30] <Jymmm> Yeah, for SoCal, sure. Par for the course, but to everyone else it's like a carnival freak show. You just gotta love it.
[21:49:37] <renesis> venice beach has the best freaks, anyway =)
[21:49:48] <renesis> yeah see i grew up here
[21:49:57] <renesis> see like, everyplace seems small and rather boring
[21:50:00] <renesis> except nyc
[21:50:08] <Jymmm> I used to hang up with a biker club on Hollywood & Las Palma (iirc)
[21:50:38] <Jymmm> Meant one guy that is the MEANEST lookign dude ever, but is the nocest guy in the world.
[21:50:43] <Jymmm> nicest
[21:50:45] <renesis> i havent been down there in months
[21:50:55] <renesis> havent been anywhere, school got me all stuck in the middle of the valley
[21:51:07] <renesis> no hiking, no hollywood shows, no beach
[21:51:25] <renesis> * renesis getting this 'must flee' urge
[21:51:33] <Jymmm> I thought the really funny part is there were doctors, lawyers, everyday guys, pimps and drug dealers
[21:51:39] <Jymmm> in the club
[21:51:53] <renesis> yeah, hollywood club scene
[21:52:13] <renesis> theres like a clubs specific scene, and then the hollywood drunk scene, mixed
[21:52:20] <Jymmm> heh
[21:52:34] <renesis> like, when drum n bass was at raves, its be junglists and stupid etarded candy ravers
[21:52:40] <renesis> now drum n bass is in clubs
[21:52:50] <renesis> so its junglists, + stupid hollywood drunks
[21:53:14] <renesis> im not sure which is worse
[21:53:15] <Jymmm> well, this was 12+ years ago too
[21:53:30] <renesis> yeah but the hollywood drunk scene never dies
[21:53:40] <renesis> just the genres it infects
[21:54:12] <renesis> they all go home at 2a, thats why the city is really weird by 3a
[21:54:29] <renesis> they might change the drinking laws to 4a like nyc
[21:55:11] <renesis> we not quite like nyc yet, we still sleep, heh