#emc | Logs for 2007-03-28

[02:45:39] <ejholmgren> do any of the component parts of emc use calculus?
[02:46:09] <ejholmgren> I'm trying to find something interesting that my class will apply to
[02:48:15] <ejholmgren> hanging weights between the supports of the golden gate bridge with a stell cable doesn't cut it anymore
[02:48:22] <ejholmgren> steel
[02:50:21] <ejholmgren> hesus ... 300m a minute?!
[02:53:26] <ejholmgren> ef
[02:53:55] <toastyde1th> ?
[02:54:02] <ejholmgren> god damn this rj45 connector, it's lack of a tab, and it's location under my desk
[02:54:15] <jmkasunich> super glue!
[02:54:25] <toastyde1th> TIG WELDING
[02:54:49] <ejholmgren> the cat and dog are bad enough without my own feet
[02:57:17] <ejholmgren> I could use the wire-feed on it
[02:57:33] <toastyde1th> ...wire feed on tig?
[02:57:46] <ejholmgren> it's not a tig
[02:57:58] <ejholmgren> just a lincoln
[02:58:05] <ejholmgren> without the mig kit
[02:58:08] <toastyde1th> needs more tig
[02:58:40] <ejholmgren> I'm worried that the lack of a gas shield might affect the plastic/metal joint ;)
[02:59:18] <toastyde1th> grab some argon
[02:59:36] <toastyde1th> toastyde1th is now known as toastydeath
[10:08:39] <SWPadnos_> SWPadnos_ is now known as SWPadnos
[11:07:29] <anonimasu> hi
[11:08:08] <anonimasu> heh
[11:08:15] <anonimasu> tomp
[11:16:41] <alex_joni> hi
[11:35:58] <a-l-p-h-a> hola
[11:36:03] <a-l-p-h-a> must be at work in 2hrs.
[11:36:07] <a-l-p-h-a> :(
[11:44:20] <anonimasu> :
[11:44:22] <anonimasu> nice
[12:09:40] <a-l-p-h-a> leave in 52 minutes
[12:09:45] <a-l-p-h-a> :/
[12:09:49] <a-l-p-h-a> it's not bad there.
[12:09:52] <anonimasu> heh
[12:09:54] <anonimasu> sounds like it
[12:10:06] <anonimasu> I'm going to start making parts in a few minutes
[12:10:10] <a-l-p-h-a> it's windowed office, infront of my own laptop, with an additional 19" LCD
[12:10:20] <a-l-p-h-a> doing design work.
[12:10:25] <anonimasu> my office right now is next to the cnc mill :/
[12:10:33] <a-l-p-h-a> that could get loud
[12:10:46] <a-l-p-h-a> I'm also just listening and jamming to my ipod...
[12:10:50] <anonimasu> just temporarily ;)
[12:10:54] <anonimasu> while im making parts..
[12:11:01] <anonimasu> hopefully I'll have 40 of theese things done tonight
[12:11:12] <anonimasu> then home and get my mill running and make more parts.
[12:23:46] <skunkworks> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/house/view3.JPG
[13:16:01] <cradek_> cradek_ is now known as cradek
[14:01:07] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[14:01:10] <anonimasu> parts parts parts..
[14:01:15] <anonimasu> now sauna and then more parts.
[14:01:50] <skunkworks> seems all europeans have sauna's
[14:01:54] <skunkworks> :)
[14:04:50] <rafa> hello people
[14:05:05] <rafa> somebody know about classicladder?
[14:11:19] <SWPadnos_> yay - it works
[14:17:36] <rafa> i want know about this
[14:17:56] <rafa> I know this not palce for this, but
[14:18:46] <rafa> my hope is somebody to use this project with emc, and can help-me
[14:40:41] <rafa> ?
[14:47:45] <jepler> ooh neat: http://www.makezine.com/blog/archive/2007/03/capacitor_discharge_in_ac.html?CMP=OTC-0D6B48984890
[14:55:51] <rafa> this for me?
[15:13:12] <rafa> hello people
[15:32:47] <anonimasu> rafa: everyone here uses it I think..
[15:33:28] <jepler> logger_emc: bookmark
[15:33:28] <jepler> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2007-03-28.txt
[15:33:38] <rafa> ?
[15:33:55] <anonimasu> rafa: Most people here uses emc, for one thing or another..
[15:34:18] <anonimasu> rafa: if you need any help just ask, it may take a while to get a answer but you always get one :)
[15:34:29] <rafa> ok
[15:34:37] <rafa> i want know about this
[15:34:44] <rafa> classicaldder
[15:34:53] <rafa> I know this not palce for this, but
[15:35:19] <rafa> my hope is we know and help-me
[15:36:00] <anonimasu> 15:20 -!- cradek_ is now known as cradek
[15:36:08] <anonimasu> whoops
[15:36:19] <anonimasu> rafa: just ask what you want to know..
[15:36:30] <anonimasu> I dont know anything about it but somone else surely does
[15:36:31] <anonimasu> bbl
[15:36:49] <rafa> ok
[15:41:55] <cradek> jepler: hey that is neat
[15:42:37] <cradek> jepler: hmm, I don't think I'd hold the thing though
[15:43:12] <jepler> it would be a better photo without the fingers, as well
[15:52:19] <danielbr> hello guys
[15:53:42] <danielbr> rafa: maybe i can help ( talvez eu possa ajudar)
[15:55:27] <danielbr> too late
[16:11:30] <cncjunior> hi !
[16:14:16] <cncjunior> i made my experimental setup with emc2 for an adaptive control of milling process
[16:14:43] <skunkworks> Nice!
[16:14:46] <cncjunior> many thanks to emc team
[16:16:06] <cncjunior> i will try to link another PC with a dspace 1104 card / mathlab / simulink to a emc2 machine under linux
[16:19:02] <cncjunior> this will take some time but in a few weeks i hope that i can write a short report to emc team about my progress.
[16:29:18] <anonimasu> 017:42 <rafa> friend you know about confi classicladder for work with modbus?
[16:38:39] <CIA-18> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/hal/classicladder/README.txt: note some items that really don't apply to the emc2 port of classicladder at all
[16:38:58] <plattschnauze> does anybody know, where to put a pythonscript and what to do , to make it run in emc ? Alex and jepler make a file for teaching, and i dont know how to use
[18:27:57] <anonimasu> hm
[18:27:58] <anonimasu> anyone here?
[18:28:46] <alex_joni> nope
[18:29:05] <cradek> just so you know: most people will never answer that question, or at least they'll grumble about it if they do
[18:29:14] <anonimasu> lol
[18:29:19] <cradek> it's another case of DATAJA
[18:29:28] <cradek> seriously
[18:29:30] <anonimasu> I'm having some issues with my univstep..
[18:29:37] <anonimasu> when I swiched to a new computer it wont work..
[18:30:03] <anonimasu> and I have no idea how to diagose it..
[18:30:05] <cradek> EPP mode in BIOS?
[18:30:22] <anonimasu> EPP+EPC
[18:30:58] <anonimasu> only EPP dosent exist
[18:31:06] <cradek> do you get an error?
[18:31:06] <anonimasu> I need to run out for a bit..
[18:31:07] <anonimasu> yes
[18:31:17] <anonimasu> it checks for it but cant find it
[18:31:19] <anonimasu> brb
[18:32:38] <cradek> I suggest putting the relevant logs/error messages on pastebin
[18:33:02] <alex_joni> anonimasu: I suggest you try to find the pcisetup program JonE has somewhere
[18:33:09] <alex_joni> and try to run that before starting emc2
[18:33:16] <alex_joni> I think it sets up some EPP stuff..
[18:33:25] <cradek> or filing a bug report so jon E fixes that correctly
[18:33:29] <cradek> * cradek grumbles
[18:40:45] <slundell> Anyone know how much a parport can source or sink?
[18:41:02] <jepler> slundell: the answer is "it depends"
[18:41:13] <cradek> often some bits are stronger than others
[18:41:32] <cradek> you can't be sure of the voltage either (unfortunately)
[18:41:58] <jepler> "The output of the Parallel Port is normally TTL logic levels. The voltage levels are the easy part. The current you can sink and source varies from port to port. Most Parallel Ports implemented in ASIC, can sink and source around 12mA. However these are just some of the figures taken from Data sheets, Sink/Source 6mA, Source 12mA/Sink 20mA, Sink 16mA/Source 4mA, Sink/Source 12mA. As you can see they vary quite a bit. The best bet is to use a buffer, so
[18:42:10] <anonimasu> does the pcisetup come with the emc cd?
[18:42:24] <jepler> anonimasu: no, it comes from jon elson's website. there doesn't seem to be any source, just a binary program.
[18:42:39] <anonimasu> jepler: that's really shitty.
[18:42:51] <anonimasu> ah well, I guess mailing him is a option..
[18:42:56] <cradek> then complain
[18:43:06] <cradek> he won't fix it when I complain (I'm not a customer)
[18:43:25] <cradek> it came up again very recently on the list
[18:43:28] <jepler> anonimasu: there's a note and link on http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Universal_Stepper_Controller which should get you the executable
[18:43:31] <slundell> ok, thanks... But a pullup at 1K might be to big then? Gotta hook up the 'scope.
[18:44:04] <anonimasu> I wonder if this touchscreen will work..
[18:44:06] <anonimasu> :)
[18:44:11] <anonimasu> with ubuntu..
[18:44:26] <cradek> some of them just look like mice to the OS
[18:45:53] <jepler> anonimasu: I suspect that the program just does does this: outb(0x80, ioaddr_hi + 0x2); // select EPP mode in ECR
[18:46:01] <anonimasu> yeah perhaps..
[18:46:16] <anonimasu> jepler: couldnt that be implemted into the driver/emc?
[18:46:16] <cradek> he's said about as much
[18:46:24] <anonimasu> or the ppmc driver?
[18:46:29] <cradek> anonimasu: yes that's where it belongs (the driver)
[18:46:36] <anonimasu> I wonder why that havent been done..
[18:46:47] <anonimasu> does it break if you do it without checking what's there first?
[18:47:11] <cradek> probably nothing, but it could be a load time option if he's concerned about that
[18:47:11] <alex_joni> anonimasu: that's jone's concearn
[18:47:25] <anonimasu> I'm going to mail him and ask..
[18:47:35] <alex_joni> anonimasu: did it fix aour issue?
[18:47:35] <anonimasu> though not right now..
[18:47:39] <anonimasu> I'm at work now
[18:47:49] <alex_joni> ah.. ok
[18:47:53] <anonimasu> fetched a touchscreen and let some customers in :)
[18:47:58] <anonimasu> to get their machine
[18:48:17] <anonimasu> I'll be back once I get home
[18:48:51] <cradek> anonimasu: http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.linux.distributions.emc.user/1245/focus=1269
[18:48:56] <jepler> for pluto_servo, there are 3 choices for ioaddr_hi: -1 (do not use ioaddr_hi), 0 (use ioaddr + 0x400; for legacy ports), and any other value (use the given address, for PCI parports)
[18:49:16] <jepler> though I think the few users of pluto_servo are using the default, which is 0
[18:51:35] <feoc> hola
[18:52:01] <alex_joni> hola
[18:52:20] <alex_joni> .Cómo estás?
[19:05:31] <feoc> bored bored bored
[19:06:33] <feoc> anyone here ever thought of designing a 5 axis mill ?
[19:08:16] <anonimasu> gonig hm
[19:08:18] <anonimasu> iab
[19:08:19] <anonimasu> I did
[19:08:44] <anonimasu> I can fit 2 more on my machine
[19:09:29] <feoc> well once iv got my hurco finishe i was thinking of building a big axis
[19:09:46] <feoc> big 5 axis
[19:13:01] <alex_joni> * alex_joni works with 6+ usually..
[19:13:03] <alex_joni> welding bots
[19:13:57] <feoc> 6+ ?
[19:14:01] <feoc> ah
[19:15:30] <feoc> what u reckon would be the best way to build one ?
[19:15:44] <feoc> start with a preexiting mill or from scratch?
[19:16:41] <alex_joni> it's quite a difference from 5,6-axes machining
[19:17:10] <feoc> ok i bbiab
[19:17:12] <feoc> its dinner tie
[19:17:13] <feoc> time
[19:17:29] <anonimasu> hm
[19:17:30] <anonimasu> it works now
[19:17:34] <anonimasu> but the touchscreen wont :)
[19:18:06] <alex_joni> serial?
[19:18:59] <anonimasu> no
[19:19:00] <anonimasu> usb
[19:19:07] <anonimasu> it works but not as it should..
[19:19:17] <alex_joni> maybe it's not calibrated
[19:19:32] <anonimasu> thats right..
[19:19:42] <anonimasu> but how do you do that in linux
[19:20:08] <alex_joni> synaptics?
[19:20:57] <anonimasu> how do you start that without a mouse?
[19:20:57] <anonimasu> :D
[19:21:02] <anonimasu> and a terminal in X
[19:21:24] <anonimasu> ah found a program
[19:21:25] <alex_joni> in /etc/pointercal ?
[19:22:11] <anonimasu> no
[19:22:12] <anonimasu> touchcalc
[19:22:13] <anonimasu> cal..
[19:25:34] <skunkworks> with axiss new button - you now will be able to pan-zoom-rotate without clicking the keyboard
[19:25:53] <skunkworks> (touchscreen wise)
[19:32:25] <alex_joni> this is interesting: http://toykeeper.net/soapbox/debian-redhat/
[19:34:37] <anonimasu> :D
[19:34:40] <anonimasu> nice
[19:34:48] <anonimasu> im working on configuring it now
[19:46:45] <anonimasu> *yawn
[19:46:56] <CIA-18> 03jepler 07TRUNK * 10emc2/src/hal/classicladder/README.txt: actually remove sections which do not apply to emc2 port of classicladder
[19:47:49] <alex_joni> wasn't that long ago?
[19:48:34] <jepler> alex_joni: I recently added a "rotate" button to the toolbar
[19:48:41] <jepler> alex_joni: it swaps rotate to be on unmodified "butotn 1"
[19:48:45] <jepler> button
[19:49:24] <alex_joni> jepler: ??
[19:50:00] <jepler> alex_joni: that's the "new button" skunkworks was talking about
[19:50:28] <alex_joni> jepler: oh, I know that..
[19:50:35] <alex_joni> I was talking about the CIA message
[19:51:19] <jepler> alex_joni: the classicladder README.txt has stuff about modbus, direct access to hardware, and different realtime systems that just doesn't apply to the emc port
[19:51:44] <alex_joni> yeah, I just thought I saw the commit email quite a while ago
[19:52:13] <jepler> the first time I just put a note at the top of some of the sections that they didn't apply to emc
[19:52:17] <jepler> this time I removed the sections altogether
[19:52:28] <jepler> I decided that just putting the note wasn't enough
[19:52:32] <alex_joni> ahh.. ok
[19:52:49] <alex_joni> then I misread the message, and thought it's the other one, but CIA is slow on notifying
[19:53:03] <Jymmmm> Jymmmm is now known as Jymmm
[20:08:59] <anonimasu> hm
[20:09:07] <anonimasu> it works great now though..
[20:09:13] <anonimasu> my ferror is odd.
[20:13:18] <anonimasu> and my Z axis wont work..
[20:13:23] <anonimasu> looks like I need more power.
[20:13:47] <anonimasu> im at 30kohm instead of 36..
[20:19:29] <[1]Martzis> [1]Martzis is now known as Martzis
[20:19:30] <mschuhmacher_> mschuhmacher_ is now known as mschuhmacher
[20:20:14] <a-l-p-h-a_> a-l-p-h-a_ is now known as a-l-p-h-a
[20:39:18] <alex_joni> * alex_joni heads to bed
[20:39:19] <alex_joni> good night all
[20:42:36] <jepler> see you alex
[20:45:38] <tom1> mill & linux based control, a bit smaller than Bridgeport. http://ajaxcnc.com/ajax_software.htm
[20:48:07] <anonimasu> hey tomp
[20:48:27] <tom1> hey (lunchtime, im tom1)
[20:48:36] <anonimasu> ah
[20:48:45] <anonimasu> nice
[20:48:55] <anonimasu> im sitting here craving for a coke
[20:49:11] <tom1> im a pepsi man
[20:49:17] <anonimasu> :)
[20:50:44] <tom1> some of the software on the linux package i just posted is from Centroid, a controll manufacturer in the US ( re: Intercon )
[21:01:32] <alex_joni> http://ajaxcnc.com/cnc_accessories.htm <- crazy
[21:02:08] <tom1> it looks like it's a centroid control, getting thier retrofit video now
[21:02:57] <tom1> rather, it IS a centroid control, tho centroid never uses the word linux on their website
[21:03:19] <tom1> damn crappy totem player, sucks
[21:03:59] <tom1> i thought i had told all mime types to avoid that piece of sh#t
[21:05:50] <alex_joni> Your Search For linux Returned 59 Results
[21:05:57] <alex_joni> from centroidcnc.com
[21:06:11] <tom1> how you do that ?
[21:06:59] <alex_joni> there's a search on top of the centroidcnc page
[21:07:11] <alex_joni> but all the links it finds are in a "protected" area
[21:07:47] <tom1> hmm, well it's interesting that linux seems to be used ( tho it looks like dos )
[21:08:48] <renz> heh, totem
[21:09:09] <renz> mplayer + vlc > *
[21:09:29] <ds3> compiling vlc < *
[21:09:47] <renz> mplayer takes a bit too
[21:09:59] <renz> i have them both in windows too tho
[21:10:05] <renz> is easy easy there
[21:10:07] <ds3> compiling vlc < compiling mplayer < *
[21:10:07] <alex_joni>
[21:10:10] <ds3> There!
[21:10:22] <renz> that seems somewhat accurate
[21:10:53] <tom1> it was an .asf file, i had never told this box about that mime
[21:10:53] <renz> is this just media players?
[21:10:57] <tom1> * CNC10 and CNC Linux are trademarks of Centroid corporation.
[21:11:08] <renz> cnc linux?
[21:11:14] <renz> how creative
[21:11:24] <renz> aint no one gonna try and steel that from them
[21:12:50] <ds3> if that's allowed, then I can trademark "Super CNC Linux"?
[21:13:17] <cradek> Access a share by its "drive" letter from the CNC10 load menu.
[21:14:20] <anonimasu> :)
[21:14:25] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns
[21:14:43] <alex_joni> Absolute path is "/cncroot/c/cnc10/cnc10.net"
[21:14:46] <ds3> mount /dev/sda1 /A:
[21:14:47] <ds3> =)
[21:15:03] <ds3> ln -s / /C:
[21:15:17] <ds3> ln -s / /C:\\WINDOWS\\
[21:15:50] <alex_joni> ds3: you're making that up :P
[21:16:27] <renz> renz is now known as renesis
[21:16:39] <ds3> renz works for Hitachi?
[21:18:20] <tom1> cool, the movie shows a retrofit at a TVA shop ( Tennesee Valley Authority, the government agency that provides hydroelectric for a large area in the south ) a buncha good-ole boys narratin' "this her'es a tu-ret ma-chine". impressive, a twin headed turret lathe, clean retrofit. Now, The narrator is picking the safety latch on the servo drive box with his pocket knife... my kinda engineer :)
[21:19:17] <skunkworks> tom1: link to the video?
[21:20:24] <tom1> http://www.centroidcnc.com/video/IronGold.asf very very long
[21:22:18] <tom1> oh, now a wacky underneath the spindle, pops out like a cuckoo clock tool changer
[21:23:25] <tom1> and a retrofit japax diamond saw
[21:27:11] <anonimasu> nnngh
[21:28:44] <robin_sz> does anyone know if asterisk supports UTF8 encoding?
[21:31:59] <twice2> hey jepler you have reports of incremental jog broken in 2.1.4?
[21:32:53] <jepler> from the GUIs? If it's from hal, I've kept out of that whole business.
[21:33:28] <twice2> yeah, from axis gui
[21:33:38] <jepler> no, I haven't heard that.
[21:34:51] <twice2> yes, I select say 0.010 increment and I get only one. then if i select another axis and inc it incs both alternately ?
[21:35:28] <twice2> it's weird
[21:35:35] <jepler> I guess I don't understand what you're saying
[21:35:46] <jepler> I selected increment 0.010 and then tried pressing the "left" and "up" keys
[21:35:51] <jepler> I'm using config/sim/axis
[21:35:53] <anonimasu> he wants to increment 2 axes..
[21:36:30] <jepler> oh -- you mean you press "up" and "left" at almost the same moment?
[21:36:42] <twice2> if start emc-axis and ask for .010 increment on z, it does increment but will only do it one time
[21:36:56] <tom1> hmm... during the video, the narrator sez " Hey billy! can yopu drop this down to windows while it's running?" well this installation in the movie was not linux
[21:37:10] <tom1> wow that was a 20 minute video !
[21:37:10] <jepler> oh -- you're clicking the button marked "+" with the mouse.
[21:37:15] <twice2> then if i select x and ask for .010 it increment x and z
[21:37:32] <jepler> well that's .. curious
[21:37:42] <jepler> thanks for your report, I understand what you are saying now
[21:37:52] <twice2> does it do that to you?
[21:37:55] <jepler> yes
[21:39:52] <robin_sz> nice video .. that must be a goverment run plant
[21:40:15] <robin_sz> no one else could afford to have all that gear not running
[21:40:55] <twice2> is it easy to revert to 2.1.2?
[21:41:37] <anonimasu> 9*yawns*
[21:42:03] <jepler> twice2: yes. From the commandline, 'sudo apt-get install emc2=0:2.1.2' (or any other version)
[21:42:06] <robin_sz> y'all c'mon
[21:42:26] <jepler> twice2: later, when you want to return to the newest version (for instance, after 2.1.5 is released), 'sudo apt-get install emc2'
[21:43:04] <twice2> jepler: great thanks
[21:46:19] <twice2> hey roltek is kearney and trecker still in biz?
[21:57:03] <robin_sz> coo, those centroid CNC machines a windows ...
[21:57:54] <roltek> no sold to giddings and lewis and then sold to a german company don't remember new name
[21:58:44] <roltek> the k and t's are still built and serviced at giddings and lewis
[21:58:54] <roltek> in wisconsin
[22:03:35] <feoc> how can make axis load up fullscreen ?
[22:11:34] <tomp> some days are just full of weird connections. another linux based cnc is Machinemate, which is a group of ex-Giddings&Lewis guys who use a control from germany, and one variant is linux based ( others are nt ) http://www.machinemate.com/heritage.htm http://www.low-cost-cnc.com/
[22:12:15] <anonimasu> ^_^
[22:12:16] <anonimasu> yeah
[22:12:48] <roltek> that control was designed at giddings and lewis and sold to former employees
[22:27:20] <twice2> jepler:sudo apt-get install emc2= --> E: Version '' for 'emc2' was not found
[22:29:47] <twice2> emc2=0:2.1.2 same error
[22:32:45] <twice2> hehe, someone campaigning to get off of the board of directors?
[22:34:27] <twice2> can't we all just get along, ubuntu brother ;)
[23:25:48] <Jymmm> For as little as $6701 (list price), a "complete" CNC package is now available from MACHINEMATE INC. This is a high-performance CNC at the price of an industrial PC.
[23:29:04] <skunkworks> cummins tools has free shipping today for anything above $75 and under 150lbs
[23:29:35] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Do they sell slave girls?
[23:30:00] <tomp> Jymmmm: add up the neccesary 'extras', their monitor, their operator panels, their handwheel, and esp their i/o ( expensive per point) ..... i had one.. tho i think it may be good, thier engineers never got my package to work and charged a huge amount for 'restock'. i'm disgruntled, but ymmv.
[23:30:14] <skunkworks> jymmm: only over 160 lbs
[23:30:18] <Jymmm> not interested then.
[23:30:49] <Jymmm> skunkworks who wants a slave girl over 150 lbs, eeeesh
[23:31:03] <Jymmm> EYE CANDY man, EYE CANDY!!!
[23:31:39] <tomp> >160 = "wisconsin wimmen"
[23:31:44] <skunkworks> could get a 7X12 manual lathe for 399 shipped
[23:34:25] <skunkworks> vimmen
[23:34:37] <skunkworks> you betcha
[23:43:25] <ejholmgren> hf?
[23:43:34] <ejholmgren> grizzly?
[23:44:28] <skunkworks> cummins
[23:48:01] <ejholmgren> same rebadged one?
[23:53:12] <ejholmgren> looks like the mini-mill is the same price
[23:53:15] <skunkworks> no real clue.
[23:53:19] <skunkworks> who actually makes it
[23:53:40] <ejholmgren> all of those come from one manufacturer in china
[23:53:51] <ejholmgren> they just repaint them and badge them here
[23:54:01] <ejholmgren> hf, grizzly, cummins, etc
[23:54:14] <jepler> argh too bad I missed twice2
[23:54:31] <jepler> maybe the correct line is 'emc2=1:2.1.2'
[23:55:35] <tomp> compare the minimills from different suppliers, but same factory :) http://www.littlemachineshop.com/Info/minimill_compare.php
[23:55:36] <ejholmgren> it might be Sieg
[23:55:44] <ejholmgren> http://www.littlemachineshop.com/gallery/photos.php?Qwd=./2004-06%20SIEG%20Factory%20Tour%20China&Qiv=thumbs&Qis=M
[23:55:56] <tomp> yep
[23:56:07] <ejholmgren> think the only main diff is collet size
[23:56:21] <ejholmgren> some are R8 and some MT 3
[23:57:49] <tomp> http://www.siegind.com/Products/blackred_milling-machine.htm
[23:58:23] <tomp> shanghei industrial engineering group?
[23:59:53] <ejholmgren> looks like it's the X2