#emc | Logs for 2007-02-08

[00:06:41] <maddash> twice2: add the linuxcnc to your repository
[00:37:19] <robin_sz> meep?
[01:57:43] <jmkasunich> hmm... does the fact that I'm re-using heatsink grease make me the worlds worst cheapskate
[01:57:51] <jmkasunich> ?
[02:02:54] <jtr> If you are then there's two of us.
[02:03:03] <jmkasunich> ;-)
[02:03:49] <jmkasunich> I have to get some fresh stuff before I mount the geckos, this is just for the bridge rectifier
[02:04:07] <CIA-8> 03lerman 07TRUNK * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: Add and export environment variable INI_FILE_NAME so that the interp can have easy access.
[02:09:05] <jtr> Do they need grease? I would have guessed that with the high efficiency, metal-to-metal would be sufficient.
[02:09:26] <jmkasunich> I'm pretty sure they recommend grease above 5 or 6 amps
[02:15:25] <jtr> There I go making assumptions. I'll start my lathe out with L297/298 drivers (NEMA23 steppers).
[02:37:05] <robin_sz> the newer geckos are much more thermally efficient that the old ones
[02:37:33] <robin_sz> ISTR they run without heatsinks to 5A now
[02:38:15] <jmkasunich> my motors are 6.1
[02:46:32] <robin_sz> bik heatstinks then and white paste
[02:46:36] <robin_sz> big
[02:46:53] <robin_sz> right bedtime ... tomorow,we have SNOW! .. :)
[02:47:08] <jmkasunich> I have a sink that is 12x8 inches with about 1/2" hi fins on the back
[02:47:16] <robin_sz> oodles
[02:47:51] <robin_sz> ive run 4A and no sinks quite happily
[03:34:23] <Roguish> good evening all. a little problem here. emc2.1 is cool with tkemc gui, but when i switch to axis it crashes at the start. ???
[03:35:32] <jepler> what is the error? use http://pastebin.ca/ for it
[03:35:40] <jepler> did you use the official package on ubuntu, or did you build it yourself?
[03:37:03] <Roguish> i upgraded from breezy to dapper, then did a build myself.
[03:38:46] <Roguish> http://pastebin.ca/344947
[03:38:49] <jepler> looking
[03:39:24] <Roguish> maybe i did not get the axis package?
[03:40:02] <jmkasunich> axis is no longer a separate package
[03:40:37] <Roguish> duh, sorry.
[03:40:50] <jepler> grep HAVE_GL_GL_H config.h
[03:41:38] <jepler> if it doesn't say #define HAVE_GL_GL_H 1
[03:41:52] <jepler> then the problem is that you are missing some necessary development modules to build all the parts of axis
[03:42:31] <Roguish> in what directory?
[03:42:39] <jepler> in emc2.1.0/src
[03:42:42] <Roguish> ok
[03:44:24] <Roguish> #undef HAVE_GL_GL_H
[03:44:30] <jepler> make sure these packages are installed and re-run configure: libglu1-mesa-dev libgl1-mesa-dev
[03:44:40] <jepler> checking for GL/gl.h... yes
[03:44:45] <cradek> did you apt-get build-dep emc2 after adding the emc2.1 repository?
[03:44:48] <jepler> if it doesn't say ^^^ then there's still a problem
[03:44:58] <jepler> cradek: good question
[03:45:07] <jepler> those two package names are listed in the build-depends for the emc2 package
[03:45:10] <cradek> that's the easiest way by far to get the build deps
[03:45:22] <Roguish> yes, i believe i did the apt-get.....
[03:45:57] <cradek> try it again to be sure?
[03:46:19] <Roguish> silly question? how do i get those 2 packages? apt-get?
[03:46:39] <cradek> "apt-get build-dep emc2" will get them for you
[03:46:39] <jepler> apt-get build-dep emc2 should get everything required to build emc2 (including axis)
[03:46:48] <jepler> apt-get install <package name> will install an individual package
[03:48:17] <Roguish> does it matter where i am (what directory?) in doing the full 'apt-get build-dep emc2' ?
[03:48:46] <cradek> no
[03:49:41] <Roguish> ok, here goes ........
[03:50:04] <jepler> If "apt-get build-dep emc2" ends with this, it didn't finish successfully: E: Failed to satisfy Build-Depends dependency for emc2: latex2html
[03:50:45] <Roguish> errror... 'Package latex2html has no intallation candidate.......'
[03:51:20] <Roguish> that's what happened.
[03:51:33] <Roguish> do it again?
[03:51:43] <jepler> you have two choices: enable 'multiverse' in your sources.list, or install the other packages by hand
[03:51:50] <jepler> latex2html is only needed if you want to build the documentation
[03:52:35] <Roguish> to add the 'multiuniverse' can i do that in synaptic ?
[03:52:43] <cradek> yes
[03:53:00] <cradek> settings/repositories, click Add, turn on universe and multiverse checkboxes
[03:53:29] <DanielFalck> tomp, I have apt running again (apt360) on ubuntu
[03:55:00] <Roguish> working on it
[03:59:07] <jepler> speaking of apt360 this looks interesting: http://sourceforge.net/projects/vapt/
[04:00:21] <Roguish> still not working. synaptic says both the libgl 's are present.
[04:00:24] <DanielFalck> yes it does
[04:00:47] <tomp> jepler: can i get items to fill & expand when i use span in the new grid tools for pyvcp? (like a cell with a labelframe, can it stretch when i use tablespan row=1 columns=tablewidth ) and how did you apply color to a cell in your example?
[04:00:49] <jepler> Roguish: "still not working" as in "apt-get build-dep emc2" doesn't complete successfully?
[04:01:03] <tomp> DanielFalck: yes i got apt360 to run, but not aptos yet
[04:01:37] <Roguish> correct
[04:01:47] <DanielFalck> tomp, Brent Muller- the author wasn't putting a lot of work into aptos last time I talked to him
[04:02:13] <DanielFalck> it looks like the project that jepler pointed out is using apt360 too
[04:02:19] <DanielFalck> checking cvs right now
[04:02:51] <jepler> tomp: to get a widget in a table to grow, you have to use a combination of <table flexible_XXX="[NNN]"> (to make its row and/or column flexible) and <tablesticky sticky="nsew"> to set the sides of the cell the widget should "stick" to
[04:03:06] <Roguish> installing latex2html thru synaptic now......
[04:03:06] <tomp> DanielFalck: this vapt has a great home page, just the sf logo :)
[04:03:12] <jepler> tomp: I used <label bg="red"> to set the color
[04:03:23] <DanielFalck> v
[04:03:29] <DanielFalck> http://sourceforge.net/projects/vapt/
[04:03:37] <DanielFalck> sorry
[04:03:39] <DanielFalck> wrong url
[04:03:48] <DanielFalck> http://vapt.cvs.sourceforge.net/vapt/vapt/vapt.py?revision=1.17&view=markup
[04:03:56] <DanielFalck> look at comment
[04:04:09] <tomp> jepler: yes, i can make it grow, but i cant seem to make it stretch... like fill and expand
[04:04:21] <tomp> DanielFalck: woohoo just a few days old
[04:04:48] <DanielFalck> cool, someone who thinks like us...
[04:05:27] <tomp> jepler: DanielFalck: vapt is pyvapt ...it's in python
[04:05:40] <DanielFalck> yep
[04:06:05] <DanielFalck> tomp, what coast are you on?
[04:06:24] <tomp> DanielFalck: the SW coast of Lake Michigan :)
[04:06:41] <DanielFalck> ok, I'm on the west coast
[04:07:06] <DanielFalck> just wondered
[04:07:11] <tomp> ah not as much snow ( accent on the much)
[04:07:46] <DanielFalck> snow is a novelty here most of the time
[04:08:04] <DanielFalck> I'm from the midwest and know a bit about snow
[04:08:07] <tomp> so many neat things happening right now, new hdwr drivers, new gui tool, new virtual machines, new cad systems....
[04:08:17] <jepler> tomp: http://pastebin.ca/344980
[04:08:25] <DanielFalck> everyone using python too
[04:08:38] <jepler> tomp: try with sticky="" or sticky="nw"
[04:09:00] <jepler> <tablesticky/> changes the sticky option for all following items in the table, so you can also change it for different widgets if you like
[04:10:16] <tomp> i went to UT Austin in the 70's and the people there didnt know how to walk on snow(much less drive). The main drag was a slight rise up to the infamous tower , and i sat at the bottom at the school of architecture watching people fall down a lot :)
[04:10:28] <tomp> jepler: thanks again, great!
[04:10:46] <Roguish> jepler: getting closer: now it's 'Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock........'
[04:12:04] <jepler> Roguish: you might get that if you tried to use apt-get at the commandline before exiting synaptic, or if you forgot a 'sudo' before an apt-get command that needed it
[04:12:07] <jepler> I'm heading out for the night, good luck
[04:12:34] <Roguish> must have been the synaptic thing....
[04:12:37] <tomp> jepler: good night
[04:13:22] <Roguish> is this going to walk on my config files?
[04:15:02] <tomp> anybody ever use a 'mechanics lien' ? i got a company who just wont pay up on a retrofit done last year.
[04:16:35] <Roguish> i've been days away from a small claims court to get paid.
[04:16:51] <Roguish> limited to $5000 in CA
[04:19:36] <tomp> yeah, small claims isnt a good solution for a bad business deal, this is a bit stronger and not 'once a year' or limited to 5K, they stiffed me for 13.4k and promised a series of 12 machine tools. They welched and the 1st unit ran 7K overbudget, so I'm out 20, but have legal rights to 13. I bet my retirement money on this deal & got screwed.
[04:22:55] <DanielFalck> is it a job shop or a machine tool dealer?
[04:23:30] <tomp> it's a forging house, 3 factories in chicago, several worldwide
[04:24:17] <DanielFalck> not a small business then
[04:24:26] <Roguish> Jepler: working now. thanks.
[04:24:47] <tomp> no, so this cant be big money to them. but it's huge for me
[04:24:54] <twice2> whoa, this was like the clipse who lives in the red house puzzle ;)
[04:29:16] <DanielFalck> tomp, any friendly contacts left at the company to talk to?
[04:36:34] <tomp> DanielFalck: dunno if you got the message in the other pane, but yes, and i should wait for them to respond first. thanks
[04:37:52] <DanielFalck> I used to work for a large company back east that used to still vendors for long periods of time
[04:38:14] <DanielFalck> and one of the purchasing agents would have to smooth things over all the time
[04:38:21] <DanielFalck> it was a mess though
[04:39:06] <DanielFalck> vendors would get money in the end
[04:39:16] <DanielFalck> it just took a long time
[04:39:23] <tomp> lol "in the end"
[04:39:55] <DanielFalck> : ( ha ha
[04:40:21] <DanielFalck> I emailed the vapt guy and offered to help
[04:40:56] <tomp> but, back to aptos, this looks promising, do you use the edit-push thru apt360 edit cycle?
[04:41:24] <DanielFalck> no , don't know what that is, have to get the book out
[04:42:15] <tomp> i gotta dig out my 'personal apt' for dos and see if it runs under wine ( the edit compile edit ccyle from the 'c' language )
[04:42:21] <DanielFalck> I do have the book "Numerical Control Programming in APT"
[04:42:37] <DanielFalck> got it off amazon for $12
[04:42:59] <tomp> line circle circle u/d/l/r,, maybe i could look at powells for a used version
[04:43:19] <tomp> but the book wiht personla apt is pretty good
[04:43:30] <tomp> dyslexia grmph....
[04:43:53] <DanielFalck> I ran some of the example programs -sine.apt test.apt
[04:44:41] <tomp> so this vapt visual output will be handy, but did you post it and look at in Axis?
[04:45:10] <DanielFalck> I posted and looked through vector cam under qemu
[04:45:26] <DanielFalck> I don't have Axis set up on this computer, in the house
[04:45:43] <DanielFalck> I should set it up though
[04:45:46] <tomp> ah, im going to look for pers apt now b4 i forget again
[06:11:04] <DanielFalck> I got vapt working- it's really nice!
[08:08:32] <tray> Hey guys, just testing my parallel port I have resistor & led connected to pin 2 & pin 25 of a parallel port. As soon as I start the computer the led lights up. Is the parallel port working correctly?
[08:20:00] <a-l-p-h-a> tray, it means that that pin 2 has power.
[08:20:31] <a-l-p-h-a> tray, to see if it works, you'd just need to toggle on/off pin 2... [but it's most likely working that parallel port]
[08:22:02] <tray> hmmm, do you have/know any tests/commands that I can execute to check the operation of the parallel port. I've tried using lspci to identify the IO location.
[08:22:20] <tray> And then running the x & y axis in axis
[08:23:00] <tray> not sure if my hal & ini files are correct to run the port, hence I want to check the port first.
[08:42:05] <a-l-p-h-a> there's a dos test program from www.dakeng.com (make of turbocnc)
[08:42:09] <a-l-p-h-a> maker
[08:50:23] <tray> did you say dos??. isn't emc a linux only package??
[08:50:52] <tray> I'll head over there, and have a look. Thanks.
[09:06:19] <a-l-p-h-a> tray, yes emc is an linux only prokage. However, the only parallel port test app I know of, is a dos one.
[09:06:30] <a-l-p-h-a> there is most likely one for emc, but I don't know what it is... sorry.
[09:09:03] <tray> no need to say sorry, I don't know of one either, but I've found some c code to complie to make a port tester.
[09:09:35] <tray> if you're ever looking you can try http://www.epanorama.net/circuits/parallel_output.html
[09:10:12] <tray> I'm attempting to compile the code now, just need to install the gcc.
[09:12:16] <tray> correction, i've got to get a compiler first.
[09:12:52] <anonimasu> hello
[09:20:29] <anonimasu> hm
[09:27:29] <lerman_> lerman_ is now known as lerman
[09:41:19] <tray> Nope, can't get the compiler to install will have to wait for another time. Thanks for you help
[09:41:31] <tray> good bye.
[14:04:58] <a-l-p-h-a> hello people
[14:06:59] <rayh> How you doing today?
[14:08:13] <a-l-p-h-a> umm... good.
[14:08:34] <a-l-p-h-a> need to figure out how to get someone to pay me close to $2K to make a theme for them in wordpress. :)
[14:08:42] <a-l-p-h-a> got one, want another buyer. :)
[14:10:45] <rayh> Good luck.
[14:11:09] <a-l-p-h-a> rayh, probably already have it... just a negotiation factor now.
[14:11:15] <rayh> How do you like wordpress?
[14:11:37] <a-l-p-h-a> I really like it. Version 2.1 is a significant improvement (behind the scenes) over version 2.0.x
[14:11:48] <rayh> That's good to hear.
[14:12:34] <a-l-p-h-a> themes are also very easy, and able to access the DB pretty easily as well. I recommend it to anyone that is looking for a blog or even an estore... it can be made pretty easily into an estore...
[14:12:40] <a-l-p-h-a> small estore mind you...
[14:13:08] <rayh> Does it use it's own DB?
[14:14:19] <a-l-p-h-a> rayh, it uses mysql. it can create it's own tables under any already created DB.
[14:14:26] <rayh> Nice.
[14:15:02] <a-l-p-h-a> so... instructions are: (download, untar), create a DB, edit 3 lines in the config file, run setup. Done. Takes like 5 minutes.
[14:15:40] <rayh> Good stuff.
[14:15:44] <a-l-p-h-a> awallin and I both run it... not sure if anyone else in here does... trying to get AJ to go wordpress. :)
[14:16:04] <a-l-p-h-a> I'm not sure if you're patronizing me. :(
[14:16:59] <rayh> Not at all. I looked at it just a bit when you guys mentioned it a while back. Glad to hear that it works so well.
[14:22:23] <rayh> Hey I'm up for most any project that produces a 2k cash flow.
[14:31:01] <rayh> Hi skunkworks. Got a good first response from Vigilant.
[14:31:30] <skunkworks> good - he did a nice reply to the post also
[14:31:30] <skunkworks> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=254681#post254681
[14:34:16] <rayh> Fantastic. Thanks for all your work with cnczone.
[14:34:55] <cradek> "Maybe we need to go ahead and do a machine retrofit ourselves here in our shop, I think that may be the best way to explore what the EMC software can do with our hardware."
[14:37:29] <rayh> Nice.
[14:51:59] <lerneaen_hydra> 'lo all
[14:52:19] <a-l-p-h-a> lo lerneaen_hydra
[14:52:23] <lerneaen_hydra> 'sup?
[14:53:03] <a-l-p-h-a> debating on nap, or job hunt.
[14:54:12] <lerneaen_hydra> my life *is* a debate between a nap or <insert task I'm supposed to to> ;)
[15:00:35] <rayh> at my age it's a struggle between...
[15:03:38] <lerneaen_hydra> do we really want to know? ;)
[15:06:29] <a-l-p-h-a> at his age, he forgot.
[15:06:39] <lerneaen_hydra> haha
[15:07:47] <lerneaen_hydra> then again, at my age I shouldn't even be able to understand two different things simultaneously, not to mention the meaning of a debate
[15:07:53] <lerneaen_hydra> * lerneaen_hydra is still wet behind the ears
[15:08:12] <a-l-p-h-a> stop having people lick behind there then.
[15:08:23] <lerneaen_hydra> O_o
[15:08:41] <lerneaen_hydra> you do know the meaning of the expression, right?
[15:09:07] <a-l-p-h-a> yes... someone that inexperienced.
[15:09:20] <lerneaen_hydra> well, more like newborn ;)
[15:09:33] <a-l-p-h-a> I was being literal though. you do know the meaning of being literal, right?
[15:09:52] <lerneaen_hydra> * lerneaen_hydra farts
[15:09:56] <lerneaen_hydra> oops
[15:10:01] <lerneaen_hydra> * lerneaen_hydra looks around
[15:10:03] <lerneaen_hydra> err.. um..
[15:10:09] <lerneaen_hydra> it was rayh!
[15:10:30] <lerneaen_hydra> * lerneaen_hydra points and waves his multiple heads
[15:11:57] <a-l-p-h-a> multiple heads?
[15:12:36] <lerneaen_hydra> I have multiple heads after all
[15:12:47] <lerneaen_hydra> you know, a hydra?
[15:13:26] <rayh> Wish I could hang around for this scintillating conversation but must go out to work today. See you'se guys.
[15:15:11] <a-l-p-h-a> lerneaen_hydra,... I just assumed you were talking about the upper head, and lower head... and shaking the lower is not appropriate in public.
[15:15:21] <lerneaen_hydra> O_o
[15:15:23] <lerneaen_hydra> err, no
[15:15:39] <lerneaen_hydra> that was not my intention
[15:17:34] <a-l-p-h-a> lerneaen_hydra, we don't know what your intentions are. sorry. :) I'm gonna nap... want to play UT99 afterwards?
[15:17:45] <lerneaen_hydra> sure
[15:19:41] <alex_joni> hi guys
[15:20:01] <lerneaen_hydra> yo
[15:20:07] <alex_joni> whaddup?
[15:21:31] <lerneaen_hydra> not so much really, school, other randomness
[15:48:37] <anonimasu> hm
[15:49:25] <anonimasu> hi
[15:57:42] <anonimasu> im looking at a lathe with 62 axes..
[15:57:51] <lerneaen_hydra> O_o
[15:57:53] <lerneaen_hydra> 62?
[15:58:09] <lerneaen_hydra> a manual lathe with a human controlling it?
[15:58:29] <anonimasu> 62 axes 12 cnc crosslides Y axes, 2 synchronous spindles
[15:58:36] <anonimasu> and 6(4 driven tools)
[15:58:47] <lerneaen_hydra> oh, so multiple tools simultaneously
[15:58:51] <anonimasu> for back tools..
[15:58:56] <anonimasu> err on the back that is..
[15:59:05] <anonimasu> index ms 22
[15:59:18] <anonimasu> http://www.index-werke.de/en/index/produkte/multiline/ms22/index.htm
[15:59:43] <anonimasu> :D
[16:01:33] <anonimasu> the question is, can you retrofit them with emc?
[16:01:33] <anonimasu> :D
[16:06:14] <anonimasu> lerneaen_hydra: I wonder how much it costs :D
[16:07:51] <lerneaen_hydra> so much that the controller cost is insignificant ;)
[16:08:20] <anonimasu> check out zayer 30kcu9000ar
[16:09:04] <anonimasu> http://www.lagun.com/products/zayer-traveling/kc.html
[16:10:49] <anonimasu> :D
[16:51:24] <tomp> i see a lot of drive space used by /var/cache/apt/archives on my laptop, can they be purged?
[16:51:55] <cradek> apt-get clean
[16:52:03] <tomp> thank you
[17:10:33] <a-l-p-h-a> dang... I knew the answer to a linux Q, but wasn't around to answer it. :(
[17:13:08] <lerneaen_hydra> anyone here recall how much power a geforce4 ti4200 takes?
[17:13:14] <lerneaen_hydra> 30-ish watts? 50-ish?
[17:14:02] <skunkworks> side question. I have an enbedded pc - I can't find any info on it. Only think I can find on the board is S17BM. It has a 69000 chips for video. 82371eb intel pci chip. 833 intel celeron.
[17:14:54] <skunkworks> 850mhz I mean
[17:18:16] <lerneaen_hydra> brb
[17:20:57] <jepler> skunkworks: me either -- what information do you need?
[17:23:04] <jepler> lerneaen_hydra: doesn't look like nvidia publishes power figures for ti4200, but the maximum power over the AGP connector is 42W according to wikipedia
[17:23:19] <jepler> ""standard AGP slot is confined to 42 W of power through slot itself
[17:23:23] <lerneaen_hydra> jepler; oh, that's always something
[17:24:10] <lerneaen_hydra> I think I'll be ok with my ghetto-sink then
[17:27:51] <jepler> this page suggests that ti4200 might be around 16W: http://www.msicomputer.com/msiforms/TOP.asp
[17:28:54] <lerneaen_hydra> 16W?
[17:28:56] <lerneaen_hydra> that low?
[17:31:02] <SWPadnos> the Quadro FX3500 (256M) is around 80W, and is probably an order of magnitude faster
[17:31:15] <SWPadnos> so that seems fairly reasonable
[17:31:23] <SWPadnos> does it have a fan?
[17:36:05] <lerneaen_hydra> SWPadnos; not my ghettosink, though it's got lots of sparse fins
[17:36:23] <SWPadnos> did it have a fan when it was new? ;)
[17:37:06] <a-l-p-h-a> heh
[17:38:57] <lerneaen_hydra> yeah, but it was a tiny 40mm with a "heatsink" (shitty little peice of alu with some knurbs)
[17:39:20] <SWPadnos> ok, then it probably didn't use too much power - the FX3500 has a leaf blower on it
[17:39:44] <lerneaen_hydra> yeah that's what I was hoping
[17:50:58] <tomp> please, where is awallin's web-site?, i want to add opto-isolation to my m5i20/8255 i/o
[17:51:32] <robin_sz> meep?
[17:51:48] <a-l-p-h-a> google awallin... but you it's #1
[17:52:24] <tomp> right, i made the search too complex
[17:52:28] <a-l-p-h-a> k, not #1, but on the first page.
[17:52:28] <a-l-p-h-a> http://www.anderswallin.net/
[17:52:42] <tomp> gotit
[17:56:18] <a-l-p-h-a> tomp, wheren't you part of the group buy?
[17:56:54] <tomp> yep, but the breakouts he designed cant be purchased
[17:57:13] <tomp> just a design http://www.anderswallin.net/2006/08/optoisolator-cards-for-mesa-5i20-servocard/#more-77
[17:57:30] <a-l-p-h-a> yeah, I understand awallin's can't be bought, but made. I was wondering why you didn't the breakout board from mesa?
[17:57:42] <SWPadnos> the 7iwhatever is the same thing, for $cheap
[17:57:47] <a-l-p-h-a> yeah...
[17:58:20] <SWPadnos> what I don't like about the 7ixx is that the output is still a ribbon cable, not terminal strips
[17:58:20] <a-l-p-h-a> I was just wondering why... how much are each isolator? how much is the PCB, how much is the headers, and wire terms... how long will it take you to make this thing (2hrs?)... add it all up... and it's more.
[17:58:43] <a-l-p-h-a> that's why I bought one.
[17:58:47] <tomp> well, i got these 8255 pic boards, and an stgII and... so i can use more generic stuff than the mesa units
[17:58:53] <a-l-p-h-a> probably should have bought one more. or maybe two.
[17:59:09] <SWPadnos> heh. almost as bad as me: USC, GRex, Mesa (x3) ... :)
[17:59:24] <a-l-p-h-a> SWPadnos, what are you doing with the GRex?
[17:59:34] <a-l-p-h-a> zippo?
[17:59:36] <a-l-p-h-a> nadda?
[17:59:39] <a-l-p-h-a> zilch?
[17:59:43] <a-l-p-h-a> zero?
[17:59:43] <a-l-p-h-a> null?
[17:59:46] <a-l-p-h-a> 0?
[17:59:47] <a-l-p-h-a> false?
[17:59:53] <SWPadnos> nicht
[17:59:55] <SWPadnos> nyet
[17:59:56] <a-l-p-h-a> !true
[17:59:59] <SWPadnos> nye
[18:00:04] <SWPadnos> non
[18:00:19] <SWPadnos> right - I use it to fill up a bin of electronic stuff
[18:00:32] <SWPadnos> plus if anyone has trouble with the downloader program, I can test it
[18:01:01] <SWPadnos> err - the tester program that is
[18:04:16] <a-l-p-h-a> ?
[18:04:24] <a-l-p-h-a> so nothing... and you got fun junk.
[18:07:05] <Jaspion> Hello
[18:07:07] <Jaspion> friends
[18:07:24] <Jaspion> e know about classicladder
[18:07:46] <Jaspion> i want to creat a one aplication witt it
[18:08:02] <Jaspion> but i dont know to configure
[18:09:31] <a-l-p-h-a> someone does... they're just hiding. alex_joni, cradek, jepler, jmkasunich?
[18:11:47] <a-l-p-h-a> I'm beginning to really not like my clients...
[18:12:58] <lerneaen_hydra> are their faces mangled and mutilated beyond all possible recognition?
[18:13:33] <a-l-p-h-a> I seldom see them... which is a good thing.
[18:13:53] <a-l-p-h-a> I need to figure out how to make more money off them... maybe that will make me content with dealing with them.
[18:14:08] <a-l-p-h-a> uh... where'd the last hour go??
[18:16:57] <Jaspion> hei friends i am here
[18:17:18] <Jaspion> somebody know about classic ladder?
[18:20:49] <alex_joni> Jaspion: what do you want to know?
[18:24:48] <Jaspion> i want use classicladder only
[18:24:58] <Jaspion> i want configure it
[18:25:07] <alex_joni> Jaspion: then I suggest going to the classicladder site, and look there for help
[18:25:18] <alex_joni> the version that runs with emc2 has been modified
[18:25:28] <alex_joni> and it's probably not suitable for you
[18:25:31] <lerman> a-l-p-h-a: Try raising your prices. That should attract more customers.
[18:26:06] <alex_joni> Jaspion: http://membres.lycos.fr/mavati/classicladder/ , http://sourceforge.net/projects/classicladder/
[18:36:44] <Jaspion> you dont know about?
[18:37:39] <alex_joni> Jaspion: sorry, not really
[18:37:57] <alex_joni> but 'mavati' the developer from classicladder, is a very friendly person
[18:38:17] <alex_joni> I would post here if I were you: http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?forum_id=88267
[18:48:06] <Jaspion> you a friend of mavati?
[18:54:57] <alex_joni> Jaspion: not really a friend, but we talked 2-3 times
[18:55:10] <alex_joni> sounds like a nice person.. very friendly & helpfull
[19:15:08] <Jaspion> ok
[19:15:15] <Jaspion> very yhanks
[19:15:15] <skunkworks> jepler: it looks like the lcd pannel is going - taking too much power and dropping the 12volts low enoough to cause the main board to quit.
[19:15:47] <skunkworks> the inverter to run the lamps/
[19:16:52] <skunkworks> I was hoping for info on maybe putting a 1100mhz pentium 3. There is no setting in the bios and when I insert the 1.1ghz proccessor it defaults to a clock multiplier of 3.
[19:19:30] <jepler> skunkworks: ah
[19:33:23] <skunkworks> I did a cpuz on it but the model number it gives look to be very generic.
[19:38:34] <jepler> I don't even know what a cpuz is
[19:42:02] <skunkworks> it is a windows utility that gives specs on hardware. http://www.cpuid.com/cpuz.php
[19:59:16] <alex_joni> skunkworks: cat /proc/cpuinfo ?
[20:05:46] <skunkworks> :)
[20:08:53] <robin_sz> today, we had this amazing hting ...
[20:09:03] <robin_sz> like a sort of white powder from the sky
[20:09:12] <robin_sz> covered the trees and fields
[20:11:03] <robin_sz> first time this year we had snow, we didn't get any snow last year from what I remember
[20:11:14] <anonimasu> hey robin
[20:11:42] <robin_sz> hey Angela!
[20:11:49] <anonimasu> gah¤!#"
[20:11:54] <anonimasu> it's ANDERS DAMN IT!
[20:12:23] <robin_sz> oh sorry, yes, I forgot ... not supposed to let anyone know you are a girl in real life
[20:15:30] <fenn> i thought it was veronica..
[20:20:11] <robin_sz> no no ...
[20:20:37] <robin_sz> veronica is the one who calls ...
[20:20:47] <robin_sz> wait, better not say ;)
[20:25:22] <lerneaen_hydra> * lerneaen_hydra pops in
[20:25:22] <lerneaen_hydra> err..
[20:25:31] <lerneaen_hydra> angela isn't even a swedish name ;)
[20:25:49] <robin_sz> heidi?
[20:25:55] <anonimasu> LOL!¤#"!
[20:25:58] <anonimasu> that's german
[20:26:02] <robin_sz> ummm ...
[20:32:11] <alex_joni> gudrun
[20:32:24] <lerneaen_hydra> doesn't even sounds remotely like anders ;)
[20:33:53] <slundell> also, Gudrun is to sweden what Katrina was to New Orleans :)
[20:34:27] <lerneaen_hydra> gudrun wasn't that bad though
[20:34:57] <anonimasu> lerneaen_hydra: um, you dont seem to know what you are talking about
[20:35:00] <anonimasu> it was pretty damn bad..
[20:35:10] <slundell> Here Per was much worse
[20:35:11] <anonimasu> not lots of people died..
[20:35:19] <anonimasu> though economically it was a huge thing..
[20:35:36] <lerneaen_hydra> err. wtf? compared to katrina the number of deaths/relocated people was far less
[20:35:46] <lerneaen_hydra> yeah, economically
[20:35:57] <lerneaen_hydra> oh don't forget the flooding too
[20:36:09] <anonimasu> well, you are forgetting the population density in your calculation..
[20:36:18] <lerneaen_hydra> huh?
[20:36:37] <anonimasu> it's like comparing the flooding in south sweden to the tsunami in asia..
[20:36:43] <anonimasu> :D
[20:37:00] <lerneaen_hydra> oh, heh, that's true
[20:37:09] <lerneaen_hydra> relatively speaking gudrun was bad
[20:41:08] <anonimasu> ^_^
[20:46:24] <a-l-p-h-a> so gross, spinach stuck to my teeth.
[20:52:23] <anonimasu> Martin_Lundstrom: hey
[20:52:40] <anonimasu> Martin_Lundstrom: if you look in the logs a few days back for chinamill I got a link for you
[20:52:44] <anonimasu> that may be worth the search
[20:55:48] <owhite> alex_joni: available for a hal question?
[20:55:57] <alex_joni> owhite: always
[20:56:21] <owhite> cool. what's the name of the website where people dump files?
[20:56:33] <alex_joni> pastebin.ca
[20:56:41] <owhite> okay, hang on...
[20:58:03] <owhite> http://pastebin.ca/345781
[20:58:13] <owhite> that is a halvcp.hal file.
[20:58:30] <alex_joni> ok..
[20:58:31] <owhite> I have a parallel port card, and I'd like to get hal buttons turning pins on and off.
[20:58:46] <owhite> could you give me a hand with making a button turn on a pin?
[20:58:53] <Martin_Lundstrom> anonimasu, OK, where can i search the loggs? How is your plasma design coming along?
[20:59:09] <alex_joni> owhite: linkpp button.estop-reset parport.0.pin-10-out
[20:59:50] <alex_joni> but if you want it to do two things (connect to parport, and drive halui), it would be best if you follow the proper way to do it
[20:59:55] <alex_joni> newsig signalname bit
[21:00:04] <alex_joni> linksp signalname pinname1
[21:00:07] <alex_joni> linksp signalname pinname2
[21:00:08] <alex_joni> etc
[21:00:08] <owhite> *listening*
[21:01:04] <anonimasu> logger_emc: bookmark
[21:01:04] <anonimasu> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2007-02-08.txt
[21:01:12] <alex_joni> owhite: clear enough?
[21:01:20] <anonimasu> Martin_Lundstrom: waiting for rails
[21:01:35] <owhite> mm. well. *thinking*
[21:01:50] <Martin_Lundstrom> anonimasu, is this the one? http://www.cnczone.com/gallery/showgallery.php/ppuser/1117/cat/500
[21:01:58] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:02:11] <anonimasu> hope ir helps
[21:02:12] <Martin_Lundstrom> wow!
[21:02:49] <Martin_Lundstrom> looks interesting
[21:03:30] <Martin_Lundstrom> Dallur, Hello, did you make any progress with your plasma table?
[21:04:34] <owhite> alex_joni: http://pastebin.ca/345783 ?
[21:04:59] <owhite> wait, ignore that.
[21:06:10] <alex_joni> owhite: not quite .. 2 tries left :P
[21:06:27] <owhite> http://pastebin.ca/345786
[21:06:39] <owhite> *retarded smile*
[21:06:42] <owhite> how's that?
[21:07:10] <alex_joni> one more try..
[21:07:15] <alex_joni> owhite: kidding, it's OK :)
[21:07:55] <owhite> so. is that going to turn the parallel pin on AND off?
[21:08:02] <owhite> I dont really get that.
[21:08:39] <alex_joni> it stay on, while you keep thebutton clicked
[21:08:47] <alex_joni> once you release it will go to off
[21:09:05] <owhite> *tries something*
[21:09:16] <alex_joni> owhite: before you go too far with halvcp
[21:09:23] <alex_joni> we will remove that at some point in the future
[21:09:32] <alex_joni> pyvcp is much more capable at the moment
[21:10:08] <owhite> bleh. I'm not much of a python guy.
[21:11:21] <alex_joni> it does integrate nicely with AXIS though :)
[21:11:32] <owhite> and is there much example code for pyvcp in emc2-head?
[21:11:35] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?PyVCP
[21:12:39] <Martin_Lundstrom> Dallur: Hello, did you make any progress with your plasma table?
[21:14:26] <owhite> alex_joni: thanks for now. I got to run.
[21:18:54] <anonimasu> hm, is anyone good at geckos..
[21:19:09] <SWPadnos> I have a manual, if that helps :)
[21:19:15] <anonimasu> heh
[21:19:22] <anonimasu> does the current limit denote how much per phase?
[21:19:26] <SWPadnos> yep
[21:19:32] <anonimasu> ok, nice
[21:19:51] <SWPadnos> of course, I only have servo drives, but you can still listen to me if you like
[21:20:11] <anonimasu> heh, I have thoose also, but I dont have time to machine a gearbox for my Z just yet
[21:20:34] <anonimasu> need to make some money off my machine first
[21:20:36] <anonimasu> *grin*
[21:20:51] <SWPadnos> damn - I knew I had forgotten something
[21:21:40] <anonimasu> it's kind of cool when you can make a profit from your hobby..
[21:21:45] <anonimasu> though I doubt the mill will ever repay itself :D
[21:22:10] <SWPadnos> I'd need several months of continuous (machining) work for that to happen, so I'd have to agree
[21:23:10] <anonimasu> actually that's a lie what im making is cheap to machine/build and expensive to sell..
[21:23:32] <SWPadnos> hmmm - pm me with the design, will you? :)
[21:23:36] <anonimasu> lol
[21:23:40] <anonimasu> no
[21:23:45] <SWPadnos> crap
[21:23:54] <anonimasu> worth a shot atleast..
[21:23:59] <SWPadnos> heh - yep
[21:24:02] <anonimasu> I think 5-6k eur
[21:24:13] <SWPadnos> though I should actually make the thing into a CNC before making that kind of request :)
[21:24:30] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:24:47] <anonimasu> with the big mill at work I can actually see how a cnc is profitable..
[21:24:51] <anonimasu> if you can keep it occupied..
[21:24:59] <anonimasu> parts come and go by really fast
[21:25:26] <anonimasu> if you have a decent fixture and just load your parts...
[21:25:46] <SWPadnos> well, even if you need an operator to babysit (moving parts around, etc), it's still lucrative
[21:26:09] <SWPadnos> machine time is usually billed at $150-$250/hour, and an employee only costs $25 (for a skilled worker)
[21:26:28] <anonimasu> hm, about 70$ here..
[21:26:49] <anonimasu> still that's manual time.. I think
[21:26:52] <anonimasu> cnc costs more..
[21:26:52] <SWPadnos> strangely, power is almost negligible (we pay $0.13/kWh, so a 10 kW machine costs all of $1.30/hour to run)
[21:27:05] <a-l-p-h-a> anonimasu, that's skilled operator... an CNC operator is not an engineer.
[21:27:11] <SWPadnos> yeah, a CNC is definitely at the top end of that range
[21:27:21] <anonimasu> I should start making pirate snowmobile parts..
[21:27:25] <SWPadnos> arrrrrrr
[21:27:41] <a-l-p-h-a> skill labour.
[21:27:41] <anonimasu> they are like 120$ for some handlebar risers..
[21:27:54] <anonimasu> :D
[21:27:57] <a-l-p-h-a> anonimasu, ... there's lightened pulleys as well.
[21:28:00] <anonimasu> yeah..
[21:28:02] <a-l-p-h-a> anonimasu, foot pegs
[21:28:04] <anonimasu> expensive as hell..
[21:28:09] <anonimasu> but that's motorbike stuff..
[21:28:22] <a-l-p-h-a> anonimasu, umm... whatever the fck else... a lathe makes it money back pretty quickly.
[21:28:29] <anonimasu> yeah..
[21:28:35] <anonimasu> I need one
[21:28:44] <a-l-p-h-a> mill, I still don't know why it's not making me money
[21:28:47] <a-l-p-h-a> it sits idle ALL the time.
[21:28:57] <a-l-p-h-a> hasn't been turned on in 6+ months.
[21:28:58] <anonimasu> because people never seems to be able to design parts..
[21:29:08] <anonimasu> I could keep my mill working 24/7 with hobby stuff :D
[21:29:19] <anonimasu> why's that?
[21:29:31] <a-l-p-h-a> anonimasu, I should start making metal adult toys on my lathe...
[21:29:43] <anonimasu> a-l-p-h-a: pay me to make a mold..
[21:29:44] <a-l-p-h-a> cold to the touch, hard as steel.
[21:30:03] <anonimasu> lol
[21:30:08] <a-l-p-h-a> hahaha... that should be on the product box
[21:30:24] <a-l-p-h-a> somehow I don't think many women would like that idea... 'cold'.
[21:30:52] <SWPadnos> you can have it any temperature ...
[21:30:55] <a-l-p-h-a> fck I hate CNCzone.
[21:30:56] <SWPadnos> and still hard as steel
[21:30:59] <lerneaen_hydra> a-l-p-h-a; make something microwave-safe
[21:31:11] <a-l-p-h-a> lerneaen_hydra, that's like pyrex...
[21:31:16] <lerneaen_hydra> some plastic that happens to absorb that wavelength
[21:31:21] <anonimasu> lol
[21:31:38] <a-l-p-h-a> dumb people... just put it in warm/hot water before use...
[21:31:48] <anonimasu> hm, I want a cnc lathe, but they all seem to be emco size..
[21:31:48] <lerneaen_hydra> but that takes time ;)
[21:32:09] <a-l-p-h-a> anonimasu, retrofit a 10x18.
[21:32:16] <lerneaen_hydra> then again, make it out of anodised alu and the thermal conductivity will heat it up fast
[21:32:23] <a-l-p-h-a> lerneaen_hydra, learn to use foreplay...
[21:32:43] <anonimasu> a-l-p-h-a: bah, finding one for 2000eur.. is better
[21:32:47] <a-l-p-h-a> lerneaen_hydra, why would time matter to you? unless you're the one getting the pleasure from it, andyou can't wait!!
[21:32:53] <lerneaen_hydra> O_o
[21:33:02] <anonimasu> a-l-p-h-a: with 3 servos, and good screws I'd be way over that..
[21:33:03] <lerneaen_hydra> dude
[21:33:21] <anonimasu> yeah?
[21:33:32] <lerneaen_hydra> that was to a-l-p-h-a
[21:33:33] <anonimasu> oh ok
[21:33:42] <anonimasu> I thought it was about my lathe craving
[21:33:46] <a-l-p-h-a> lerneaen_hydra, dudette
[21:33:59] <lerneaen_hydra> hardly
[21:34:03] <a-l-p-h-a> anonimasu, 3 servos? why 3?
[21:34:12] <lerneaen_hydra> but if I need to prove the opposite, then by all means ;)
[21:34:29] <anonimasu> oh 2 that is..
[21:34:40] <anonimasu> a-l-p-h-a: and the time to design a toolchanger..
[21:35:12] <a-l-p-h-a> anonimasu, you can to a ton with just 3 tools... outside, boring, parting.
[21:35:28] <a-l-p-h-a> but with 4 tools, roughing, finishing out, boring, parting.
[21:35:30] <anonimasu> yep
[21:35:55] <a-l-p-h-a> but a cenre drill, and then various drill sizes on a tailstock makes boring lots quicker.
[21:36:11] <a-l-p-h-a> live centre
[21:36:17] <anonimasu> yep
[21:36:28] <a-l-p-h-a> dead centre has never been useful to me...
[21:37:26] <a-l-p-h-a> I got a 1/2hp DC servo, running at like 90V, spinds up nice and fast. :) Can make some mirror finished lathed parts.
[21:37:35] <a-l-p-h-a> looks so nice...
[21:37:45] <anonimasu> you mean spindle?
[21:37:57] <anonimasu> err chuck..
[21:38:19] <anonimasu> ah, thing with peg..
[21:38:19] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:38:36] <anonimasu> I used one like twice..
[21:38:39] <anonimasu> then I made a live one :D
[21:38:48] <a-l-p-h-a> ??
[21:39:04] <a-l-p-h-a> spinds=spindle spins
[21:39:07] <anonimasu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:CenterLiveDead.jpg
[21:39:12] <anonimasu> yeah I know..
[21:39:16] <anonimasu> just dont know the term in english
[21:39:41] <a-l-p-h-a> bought a live centre for like $90CDN... for MT1... pain in the ass to find MT1 stuff...
[21:39:55] <anonimasu> ouch
[21:40:07] <a-l-p-h-a> then bought a MT2 -> W20 collet a few months later..
[21:40:13] <a-l-p-h-a> so hard to find schaublin stuff.
[21:40:30] <anonimasu> morse tapers?
[21:40:37] <anonimasu> your country sucks..
[21:40:47] <anonimasu> that
[21:40:49] <a-l-p-h-a> anonimasu, that wasn't a problem... was selling $.50CDN worth of alu, for like $30USD, and the exchange was 1.65CDN:1USD at the time.
[21:40:57] <a-l-p-h-a> MT = Morse Taper
[21:41:03] <anonimasu> yeah your country sucks
[21:41:09] <a-l-p-h-a> W20 = schaublin thing
[21:41:31] <owhite> could someone walk me through installing pyvcp?
[21:41:45] <anonimasu> a-l-p-h-a: ah I see..
[21:41:52] <a-l-p-h-a> so... $1.50CDN + 1hr of my time turned into $90USD or ~150CDN....
[21:41:53] <anonimasu> mt is really common over here
[21:42:04] <jepler> owhite: upgrade to emc 2.1, it's included.
[21:42:15] <owhite> okay. new question.
[21:42:22] <a-l-p-h-a> new answer.
[21:42:25] <owhite> could someone help me upgrade to emc 2.1?
[21:42:59] <anonimasu> a-l-p-h-a: if you want to make cash, make motorsport parts
[21:42:59] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UpdatingTo2.1
[21:43:30] <jepler> owhite: try out that wiki page alex_joni linked to ^^
[21:43:32] <a-l-p-h-a> anonimasu, yeah... I was...
[21:43:46] <anonimasu> a-l-p-h-a: as in performance stuff.. :D
[21:44:07] <a-l-p-h-a> anonimasu, I could be making some lightened pulleys... but never did.
[21:44:25] <anonimasu> hm, that's good work
[21:44:30] <owhite> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?PyVCP ?
[21:44:39] <anonimasu> and well stuff people will pay big $ fof
[21:44:40] <anonimasu> for..
[21:44:41] <jepler> owhite: no, http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?UpdatingTo2.1
[21:45:13] <a-l-p-h-a> lightened pulleys were going for something WEE-TALLED-DID.
[21:46:04] <anonimasu> wee-talled-did?
[21:46:26] <a-l-p-h-a> should check on ebay, motorsports parts "CNC", and prices > $100
[21:46:37] <a-l-p-h-a> anonimasu, say it.
[21:46:46] <a-l-p-h-a> "retarded"
[21:46:50] <anonimasu> haha
[21:46:58] <anonimasu> yeah
[21:47:01] <anonimasu> cnc is a buzzword..
[21:47:26] <a-l-p-h-a> gonna nap. as I never did this morning... and I'm starting to crash
[21:47:32] <tomp> owhite: what hardware will you be connecting? ( there's few hardware examples on the pyvcp page, a btn and led for each common type may be handy )
[21:51:11] <owhite> tomp: I have a parallel port card that I'd like to start driving. the interface just needs to be buttons, labels and leds.
[21:51:24] <tomp> gotcha
[21:51:50] <owhite> if I upgrade using synaptic, then it wont put anything in /home/owhite/emc2-head/ , right?
[21:52:21] <jepler> correct
[21:52:22] <owhite> I kind of like having installations in my home area.
[21:53:00] <owhite> if someone shouts out how to install using apt-get I promise to write everything down and I wont ask people here again.
[21:54:00] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=21&Itemid=4&lang=en
[21:54:06] <alex_joni> owhite: starting at step 2
[21:54:10] <anonimasu> hm
[21:54:21] <owhite> thanks.
[21:55:29] <owhite> but wait a sec. will that install into my home area? I liked that.
[21:55:58] <owhite> alex_joni you showed me how to do that once, I just didnt keep the log.
[21:57:14] <alex_joni> no, it won't install to your home area
[21:57:26] <owhite> wait. wait wait. I got it.
[21:57:33] <alex_joni> if you have a recent emc2 TRUNK (from CVS), than it's close to 2.1
[21:58:21] <owhite> yeah it is a relatively recent trunk. but I didnt see anything for pyvcp.
[21:58:42] <owhite> was hoping to give that a shot if you're planning on depricating vcp.
[21:59:37] <jepler> you should "cvs up" or "cvs up -rv2_1_branch" in your emc2 CVS directory, depending whether you want to follow the experimental development towards 2.2, or get the stable 2.1 version plus bugfixes
[21:59:56] <jepler> .. if you prefer to work from a cvs checkout instead of from the pre-built packages
[22:00:09] <jepler> pyvcp was only added in the last 3 weeks or so
[22:00:43] <owhite> ok. if I've added code to tkemc.tcl, and I do a cvs up, do I lose that code?
[22:01:13] <alex_joni> no
[22:01:22] <alex_joni> local modified files will get preserved
[22:01:43] <owhite> well hey, that dont sound so bad. .... *does some cvs upping*
[22:06:43] <owhite> www.linuxcnc.org is down :-)
[22:07:05] <SWPadnos> no it's not
[22:07:33] <alex_joni> works here too
[22:08:59] <owhite> how about linuxcnc.org?
[22:09:32] <jepler> works for me
[22:10:24] <SWPadnos> works with or without the www in front
[22:11:12] <owhite> still not working here -- not a big deal.
[22:18:34] <owhite> if I did a cvs up, should I expect that pyvcp will be my bin path?
[22:19:01] <owhite> I ran . scripts/emc-environment.
[22:20:10] <jepler> owhite: did you "make"?
[22:20:34] <alex_joni> jepler: no new deps he needs?
[22:20:43] <alex_joni> * alex_joni thinks of dom.xml.foo
[22:21:33] <owhite> sorry I didnt get I was supposed to recompile.
[22:21:43] <jepler> alex_joni: sure could be
[22:28:43] <owhite> make died. speaking of which, so Anna Nicole Smith.
[22:30:06] <alex_joni> owhite: you need to be in the src/ dir when running 'make'
[22:30:31] <owhite> I was thanks. for the curious, I have the output here: http://pastebin.ca/345899
[22:30:56] <owhite> curious || incredibly generous.
[22:31:07] <jepler> rm hal/components/conv*.comp
[22:31:20] <jepler> rebuld
[22:31:22] <alex_joni> what jepler said
[22:31:29] <SWPadnos> does make clean remove those?
[22:31:35] <jepler> SWPadnos: not sure
[22:31:40] <owhite> make: *** No rule to make target `../configs/lathe-pluto/emc.nml', needed by `configs'. Stop.
[22:31:55] <owhite> you guys are so nice to deal with idiots like me.
[22:31:59] <SWPadnos> yep
[22:32:03] <SWPadnos> err - no, not at all
[22:32:28] <jepler> always use the -P and -d flags when updating
[22:32:47] <alex_joni> and always do it from the top emc2 dir
[22:32:58] <owhite> you mean: cvs -Pd up
[22:33:00] <jepler> it's easiest to put the lines in your ~/.cvsrc that are described here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?CVS
[22:33:15] <jepler> cvs -z5 update -Pd
[22:34:31] <SWPadnos> owhite, no - that's not the same thing
[22:34:47] <SWPadnos> cvs up -dP is *not* the same as cvs -dP up
[22:35:11] <owhite> sorry about that.
[22:35:27] <owhite> I tried cvs -z5 update -Pd
[22:35:36] <owhite> that alright?
[22:35:44] <SWPadnos> yep - that's fine
[22:35:49] <owhite> and then I ran make.
[22:36:05] <owhite> hal/classicladder/classicladder_gtk.c:423: error: syntax error before ‘*’ token
[22:36:30] <SWPadnos> it's probably a good idea to make clean, then ./configure (with whatever options you need), then make
[22:36:53] <SWPadnos> unless someone wants to troubleshoot the specific problems with building after an update ...
[22:37:53] <alex_joni> good night guys
[22:37:57] <jepler> see you alex_joni
[22:38:00] <alex_joni> been a good day :)
[22:38:57] <owhite> I PROMISE to run this stuff next time I install trunk.
[22:39:10] <owhite> seems to be compiling okay.
[22:48:18] <tomp> how to get address of motherboard parallel port? (lspci -v for the pci stuff, but for mobo?? )
[22:48:55] <jepler> look in BIOS? load the linux kernel parport_pc module just once and look at what it detects?
[22:49:07] <jepler> load emc's probe_parport and see what it reports?
[22:49:46] <jepler> (run 'dmesg' after inserting one of those modules to find the address(es) they detect)
[22:50:04] <tomp> ok, didnt think poking the monkeys was the right way :)
[23:01:16] <owhite> jepler: after I've run a make, would you guess the pyvcp would be installed?
[23:01:31] <jepler> owhite: yes, there should be a "bin/pyvcp" file
[23:01:36] <owhite> I ran find | grep pyvcp and it didnt report an executable existed.
[23:01:38] <owhite> hm.
[23:02:10] <owhite> definitely not there.
[23:02:10] <jepler> it's not built if the necessary python2.4-dev package isn't installed
[23:02:18] <jepler> (among others)
[23:02:41] <owhite> oh now that is a hoot. should I go into synaptic and install python?
[23:04:24] <jepler> if you install the emc2 version 2.1 package you will automatically get everything you need to run; if you use "sudo apt-get build-dep emc2" you get everything you need to compile your own version of emc2
[23:04:42] <jepler> if you prefer to do it in some other way (like looking for the packages in synaptic without knowing for sure which package names to choose) be my guest
[23:05:08] <owhite> I'm happy to try the apt-get route, things have been working pretty well so far. :-)
[23:05:32] <jepler> after you get a new package, start again from the "configure" step
[23:05:42] <owhite> would you recommend I always run that when I install a new trunk?
[23:05:43] <jepler> if it doesn't say this, then some package is missing and you'll have to guess what it is: checking whether to build axis... yes
[23:05:51] <jepler> always run .. what?
[23:05:58] <jepler> build-dep?
[23:06:03] <owhite> apt-get build-dep...yes.
[23:06:24] <jepler> well that's the other problem with trunk -- build-dep reflects what is required to build the released version (e.g., emc 2.1.0) but in the trunk version there may be additional requirements
[23:06:46] <jepler> with trunk you have to be attentive to what configure says and/or keep up with new developments
[23:07:28] <owhite> okay so skip build-dep. you're saying I could run ./configure run-in-place and then look for problems?
[23:08:00] <owhite> that is to say more accurately..... ./configure --enable-run-in-place
[23:09:42] <jepler> if your sources.list has the source repository for emc 2.1 listed, then using "apt-get build-dep" will be a good start
[23:10:11] <jepler> but you may or may not need additional packages -- today I don't think there are any, but that could change if we decide that a feature or library provided by some other package is desirable to use in emc 2.2
[23:13:03] <owhite> yeah my source repository must not include emc 2.1
[23:13:34] <owhite> suggestions?
[23:13:37] <jepler> you can look at the file 'debian/control.in'; it lists in a somewhat cryptic format the Depends: and Build-Depends
[23:14:18] <jepler> using the official emc 2.1 package will get you up and running quicker though
[23:14:43] <owhite> oy.
[23:15:14] <owhite> you're not gonna be surprised to hear this, but I get encouraged to load trunk all the time.
[23:15:28] <owhite> ees a leetle crazy making.
[23:16:09] <jepler> before we released the 2.1 package, the situation was very different -- you wanted features that weren't available in a precompiled package
[23:16:28] <owhite> when I do that, then you guys get stuck with the hand-holding of me asking a lot of questions. let me install python2.4-dev, run .configure and see what happens.
[23:16:29] <owhite> oh.
[23:17:03] <owhite> *think*
[23:17:07] <owhite> *ponder*
[23:17:10] <owhite> *weighs options*
[23:17:22] <owhite> *pours large glass of rum*
[23:17:24] <jepler> though I guess I should say that pyvcp has many more features in TRUNK than in 2.1.0.
[23:17:34] <owhite> AH HA!
[23:18:01] <owhite> /topic life on the bleeding edge -- you got to love these guys.
[23:18:54] <owhite> * owhite runs for the .configure before jepler can change my mind.
[23:22:00] <owhite> aw hell the make broke, on doing the pyvcp no less.
[23:23:03] <owhite> master jepler: http://pastebin.ca/345953
[23:32:12] <jepler> /usr/bin/ld: cannot find -lGL
[23:32:24] <jepler> you're missing the development package for opengl
[23:32:43] <jepler> have a look at debian/control.in and see if you can find the package name for it -- I think there are two (one's "gl" and the other's "glu")
[23:34:03] <owhite> yeah I was just looking for debian/control.in where would that be located?
[23:34:19] <owhite> and why not use synaptic to install opengl?
[23:34:47] <jepler> <emc2 top directory>/debian/control.in
[23:36:06] <jepler> I don't care if you use apt-get or synaptic, but you have to know the correct package name
[23:37:11] <owhite> I see. I cant find the occurance of gl in control.in .
[23:38:00] <jepler> ...,libglu1-mesa-dev,libgl1-mesa-dev,...
[23:45:07] <owhite> right. I have those in my control.in, if I tried 'sudo apt-get build-dep emc2', ran configure, and then make.
[23:45:35] <owhite> and it failed. should it be a different apt-get call?
[23:46:15] <jepler> apt-get build-dep doesn't look at debian/control.in
[23:46:36] <jepler> it looks at deb-src repositories listed in /etc/apt/sources.list for the named package
[23:47:54] <owhite> how bout I pull down libglu1-mesa and libglu1-mesa-dev with synaptic?
[23:47:59] <jepler> you can do that if you want
[23:52:50] <jepler> oh -- do you not know that the way to install a package by name from the commandline is: apt-get install <package name>
[23:53:24] <owhite> well. I've done that, but I get confused. so, I went with synaptic.
[23:53:57] <owhite> its compiling like gangbusters now. I 'll put your last comment in my docs.
[23:54:00] <robin_sz> * robin_sz never understood synaptic
[23:54:46] <jepler> notes are a great thing to have
[23:55:00] <robin_sz> yep
[23:55:14] <owhite> I made bin/pyvcp
[23:55:20] <robin_sz> ideally green, with a picture of a dead president on them
[23:56:28] <jepler> owhite: if your trouble with contacting linuxcnc.org has cleared up, you can read the docs with xml file snippets here: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/hal/vcp/index.html
[23:57:06] <owhite> ok.
[23:57:25] <owhite> jepler: look, thing is. if it makes any difference, I run a group of like 65 people. many of them are software engineers. I've been a programmer for years, and love to hack, but I know there's a big difference between SW engineering, and bone heads like me.
[23:57:53] <jepler> owhite: oh don't worry -- we're mostly boneheads in emc2 development, not SW engineers
[23:58:18] <owhite> I really appreciate the time you take to help me out. when I axe questions, I know there's a clock running that's ticking, I always feel like I go way past my budget of time.
[23:58:49] <jepler> hah