#emc | Logs for 2007-01-14

[00:01:48] <Ziegler> anonimasu: correct me if I am wrong.. but this pdf http://www.geckodrive.com/photos/Step_motor_basics.pdf is talking about bipolar setups
[00:02:06] <anonimasu> it talks about wiring other kind of stepper motors also
[00:02:08] <anonimasu> if I remember it right
[00:02:09] <Ziegler> Is a great doc though
[00:02:52] <Ziegler> mentions 4 wire 6 wire and 8 wire... but only seems to talk about thier use as bipolar... unless I am not reading it correctly
[00:03:33] <awallin> my brain requires a reset(=sleep). I'll leave you guys with pics of the enclosures I worked on today http://www.anderswallin.net/2007/01/enclosure-for-servo-electronics/ bye.
[00:04:15] <alex_joni> awallin: that's cheating
[00:04:17] <alex_joni> we already saw that
[00:04:35] <Rugludallur> no me, nice :D
[00:05:47] <Ziegler> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=11800&highlight=vexta+8+wire <<-- this is the stepper I have. My intial thought was to combine all the stiped wires... and treat each soild wire as its own phase. Does that sound right?
[00:05:59] <Ziegler> striped*
[00:10:09] <alex_joni> Ziegler: http://www.geckodrive.com/photos/Step_motor_basics.pdf
[00:11:02] <Ziegler> Yes.. thank you.. specific page with Unipolar use of 8 wire steper motors?
[00:11:17] <Ziegler> It looks to me like its only about bipolar
[00:12:32] <alex_joni> I think the geckos can't drive unipolars
[00:12:46] <alex_joni> ~= I have no idea :D
[00:12:56] <Ziegler> is unipolar the same as parallel wired?
[00:13:05] <Ziegler> (I dont have a gecko driver)
[00:15:58] <Ziegler> Ok next question.. the stepper is rated at 5.4v 1.5 amp
[00:16:12] <Ziegler> I have a power source rated at about that
[00:16:36] <Ziegler> 6v 2 amp
[00:16:49] <alex_joni> usually you want 10-20 times the stepper voltage
[00:16:53] <alex_joni> read that paper :)
[00:18:03] <Rugludallur> Ziegler: The input voltage for your driver is usually not even close to your motor voltage, plus most people put more voltage in to get extra speed
[00:18:38] <Rugludallur> °hic :P they fed me beer :P
[00:18:50] <alex_joni> spoonfed?
[00:19:16] <Rugludallur> alex: nahh whole cans
[00:19:17] <Ziegler> my driver is jist a "thrown together" circuit with the power supply directly feeding the stepper
[00:19:42] <alex_joni> L297/298 ?
[00:19:43] <Ziegler> At this point im only worreid about getting the motor to turn... Ill build a specified power source later
[00:19:47] <Rugludallur> Ziegler: in that case I recommend -> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stepper_motor
[00:20:24] <Ziegler> alex_joni: more simple that that... an optocoupler and some transistors ;-)
[00:20:45] <Ziegler> using hal to take care of the driving
[00:20:52] <ejholmgren> Ziegler: I have a few good links to docs for some old centent drives
[00:20:52] <alex_joni> the 2amp I'm concearned about
[00:21:06] <ejholmgren> good at explaining things ...
[00:21:11] <Ziegler> to low or to high
[00:21:12] <alex_joni> Ziegler: this way you'll probably heat your stepper
[00:21:31] <Ziegler> I can drop it down to 4.5 volts at 1.6 amps
[00:21:32] <alex_joni> a stepper that is rated 1.5A should get 1.5A
[00:21:38] <alex_joni> that's more like it
[00:21:47] <ejholmgren> http://www.centent.com/_private/cn0143.pdf
[00:21:58] <ejholmgren> http://www.centent.com/_private/cn0162.pdf
[00:22:29] <ejholmgren> they have good descriptions of full winding and half winding etc
[00:22:54] <ejholmgren> recomended amperage for each
[00:23:17] <ejholmgren> and wiring diagrams for the common stepper manufacturers
[00:23:26] <Ziegler> nice ejholmgren
[00:24:08] <ejholmgren> from what I understand, half winding produces more torque at the expense of running hotter
[00:24:18] <roltek> cd todd
[00:24:38] <Ziegler> is half winding the same as unipolar?
[00:25:10] <ejholmgren> no ...
[00:25:29] <ejholmgren> you can use 4 wires of a 6 wire unipolar and run it in a half winding config
[00:26:03] <ejholmgren> those two docs explain it fairly well
[00:26:04] <Ziegler> you mean 8, 6 and 5 wire? ;-)
[00:26:30] <ejholmgren> sure ;)
[00:26:44] <alex_joni> good night all
[00:26:49] <Ziegler> point being, I dont think 4 wire can be driven unipolar
[00:26:59] <ejholmgren> obviously ...
[00:27:04] <ejholmgren> 4 wires are all bipolar?
[00:27:30] <Ziegler> It dont understand how the could be driven bipolar
[00:27:31] <Ziegler> err
[00:27:34] <Ziegler> unipolar
[00:27:47] <Rugludallur> night alex
[00:27:52] <Ziegler> thanks alex_joni
[00:28:41] <ejholmgren> unipolar drives can only drive unipolat steppers ...
[00:28:45] <Ziegler> Ahh ejholmgren I just reread your message... "you can use 4 wires of a 6 wire unipolar" thought you said you can use 4 wire and 6 wire
[00:28:48] <ejholmgren> bipolar drives can drive both
[00:28:57] <Ziegler> my fault
[00:29:31] <K`zan> A-L-P-H-A: Nope, nothing done on the CNCing yet... Reconsidering my choice of the xlotex stuff, getting the impression (?!?!???) that it is kind of easy to toast - not sure about that yet, but ...
[00:30:09] <Ziegler> I have a 8 wire stepper... and with EMC and my jerry rigged circuit, I am only capable of using it unipolar. I needed some help on wireing an 8 wire unipolar
[00:30:10] <anonimasu> K`zan: hm you should ask jymmm
[00:30:30] <K`zan> anonimasu: Will do (again, I think :).
[00:31:14] <K`zan> Thinking that perhaps I should upgrade the mill some before I CNC. Long Y and X table mods seem wise. By the time I have anything set up on the table the Y is well out of the gibs.
[00:31:22] <K`zan> (HF micro-mill)
[00:31:45] <anonimasu> K`zan: yeah I remember :)
[00:32:07] <K`zan> Selecting drives is sure a complex and involved issue :-/.
[00:32:18] <K`zan> When $$$ are an issue :-(.
[00:32:31] <ejholmgren> are you looking at the xylotex 3 axis?
[00:33:00] <K`zan> yes, am - or was seriously looking at that (3 axis ready or the deal he has up now).
[00:33:53] <anonimasu> ah..
[00:34:05] <anonimasu>
[00:34:23] <K`zan> Seriously wondering if the one(s) I made up using the AVR might be wiser...
[00:34:37] <anonimasu> heh
[00:34:41] <anonimasu> xylotex suck.
[00:34:51] <anonimasu> or well, they have no midband resonance compensation..
[00:35:24] <K`zan> That and I am getting the impression they are rather delicate...
[00:35:32] <anonimasu> yeah..
[00:35:39] <anonimasu> it's in a later log..
[00:35:38] <anonimasu> :D
[00:35:43] <ejholmgren> K`zan: is that the central machinery mini-mill on hf?
[00:36:02] <anonimasu> K`zan: geckos are super reliable..
[00:36:17] <anonimasu> K`zan: there's a opensource stepper driver also..
[00:36:23] <anonimasu> Bo^Dick's been involved in it I think..
[00:36:28] <ejholmgren> sin't cradek using those?
[00:36:48] <K`zan> Yes, he pointed me at those and that seems wiser now that I have been researching some.
[00:37:20] <anonimasu> ejholmgren: what driver?
[00:37:46] <K`zan> This one: http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=47158
[00:38:09] <ejholmgren> the pminmo one
[00:38:12] <anonimasu> ah
[00:38:15] <ejholmgren> or however you spell it
[00:39:01] <anonimasu> :)
[00:40:35] <K`zan> The one I started working on: http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/MyMachineShop/CNC/ADriver/
[00:41:45] <anonimasu> I guess it's a matter of need/want/afford
[00:41:48] <K`zan> Longest we have ever had snow on the ground in the 10+ years I have been here.
[00:41:55] <K`zan> anonimasu: YES :-)
[00:42:06] <K`zan> oops ww previous.
[00:43:03] <ejholmgren> first time we've had snow on the ground in MN for more than a day so far this year
[00:43:16] <K`zan> Global warming?!?
[00:43:19] <K`zan> :-)
[00:43:33] <ejholmgren> I'd better start building that bomb shelter for then the apocalypse happens next year
[00:43:37] <ejholmgren> when
[00:43:43] <K`zan> LOL
[00:44:17] <anonimasu> I dont think a shelter will help at all
[00:44:17] <anonimasu> :D
[00:44:34] <Ziegler> Hmmm... Ok... I conected4 striped wires on my 8wire stepper to ground. if I probe the other 4 in the right order the motor rotates. However...
[00:44:41] <ejholmgren> how about a box of russian ak-47's ?
[00:45:01] <anonimasu> ejholmgren: that's a good start..
[00:45:06] <Ziegler> when I connect it to emc... the motor just wants to vibrate
[00:45:17] <Ziegler> Im useing pulse gen 5 or 9
[00:45:42] <anonimasu> Ziegler: dont you have a drive inbetween?
[00:46:08] <Ziegler> yes... my drive consists of an optocoupler and some transistors
[00:46:22] <anonimasu> are you sure you have them in the right direction?
[00:47:35] <Ziegler> I am not sure... but I have wires A B C D.. if I hook power in that order it rotates... so on my parport, I have pins 1-4 assigned to phase A-D
[00:48:20] <Ziegler> hmmm...
[00:48:23] <cradek> Ziegler: try half stepping: A, AB, B, BC, C, ...
[00:48:24] <Ziegler> I have a 5 wire stepper
[00:48:41] <ejholmgren> * ejholmgren would try drinking some beer
[00:48:49] <Ziegler> Right now hal is set to use step gen 9 which I think is half stepping correct?
[00:49:05] <cradek> wait a minute
[00:49:10] <Rugludallur> ejholmgren: i'll email you some right away, what's your address ?
[00:49:10] <Ziegler> (re 5 wire... that works with emc full steps and half steps))
[00:49:19] <cradek> forget it
[00:49:52] <ejholmgren> is anyone here proficient in eagle?
[00:49:56] <cradek> yes 9 is unipolar halfstep
[00:50:05] <Ziegler> ok thanks :)
[00:50:17] <cradek> pin 1 may not have the same drive capability as pins 2-9
[00:50:48] <cradek> or your acceleration or velocity might be inappropriate for the motor
[00:50:50] <Rugludallur> ejholmgren: you been poisoned by CH3-CH2-OH ?
[00:51:23] <Ziegler> ohh... cradek I bet that might be it... the velocites are in the stpper ini right?
[00:51:48] <ejholmgren> I haven't taken chem since college, but I'm guessing that's an alcohol molecule ...
[00:51:59] <lerneaen_hydra> indeed it is ;)
[00:51:59] <cradek> yes, you have to set the INPUT_SCALE and vel/acc to something sane for your motor
[00:52:00] <ejholmgren> and since that's the main component in gin, then yes
[00:52:19] <Rugludallur> ejholmgren: ahh good choice of poison then, what's your brand ?
[00:52:24] <Ziegler> ok.. I have a 1.8 deg motor.. got any recomendations for a place to start?
[00:52:45] <cradek> so that's 400 halfsteps per revolution
[00:52:51] <cradek> do you like inch or mm?
[00:52:57] <Ziegler> inche :-|
[00:53:02] <Ziegler> hehe
[00:53:16] <cradek> ok to make it easy, pretend you have a 1 inch/rotation leadscrew
[00:53:25] <ejholmgren> Rugludallur: bombay saphire if I'm feeling spendy, or just beefeater
[00:53:38] <cradek> so your INPUT_SCALE is 400 (halfsteps/inch)
[00:53:55] <Ziegler> ok
[00:54:00] <cradek> try velocity 2, acceleration 4
[00:54:14] <Ziegler> alright... let me play with that for a min (thank you)
[00:54:19] <cradek> sure
[00:54:28] <Rugludallur> ejholmgren: :D im more of a tanqueray fan myself, but prices are a bit different up here
[00:54:43] <ejholmgren> tanqueray is excellent as well
[00:57:14] <Rugludallur> ejholmgren: up here way pay $60 per 700ml bottle of Tangueray vs. 65 for Beefeater and $58 for Bombay, a bit odd :P
[00:57:15] <ejholmgren> there's a distillery out in Oregon that makes gin that I've been wanting now for a while
[00:57:32] <ejholmgren> $60 USD?
[00:57:39] <Rugludallur> ejholmgren: yup
[00:59:03] <ejholmgren> Rugludallur: http://www.bendistillery.com/bnds_djg.html
[00:59:11] <ejholmgren> mmnnn....
[01:00:18] <ejholmgren> on another note, 700ml of similar gin here is almost 1/4 of that price :)
[01:01:18] <Rugludallur> ejholmgren: desert juniper, i'll try to order some next time i'm in the US
[01:02:03] <Rugludallur> ejholmgren: Scandinavian liquor laws/taxis are way out there
[01:03:56] <lerneaen_hydra> Rugludallur: tell me about it
[01:04:51] <Rugludallur> there is an upside to the whole thing though
[01:07:02] <Rugludallur> when the government runs the liquor stores and puts a flat tax based on % alcohol it means that the good spirits/wines are almost the same price as the cheap stuff (when whole countries negotiate with wine whole sellers they tend to get good prices)
[01:08:35] <lerneaen_hydra> 'night all
[01:08:43] <Rugludallur> night LH
[01:08:45] <anonimasu> Rugludallur: yeah also it gives the goverment a lever in limiting alcohol consumption..
[01:09:10] <anonimasu> both a good and bad thing
[01:09:25] <Rugludallur> anonimasu: yup, in general i'm against it :D
[01:09:54] <Rugludallur> anonimasu: imho if you treat your nation like idiots they will become idiots
[01:10:10] <K`zan> Heh, seen that work here.
[01:10:19] <anonimasu> K`zan: seen what?
[01:10:28] <K`zan> imho if you treat your nation like idiots they will become idiots.
[01:10:28] <anonimasu> Rugludallur: there's major issues with alcohol over here
[01:10:47] <anonimasu> people just dont take a party now and then..
[01:11:05] <anonimasu> they drink wine for dinner all days in the week..
[01:11:16] <anonimasu> and a bottle now and then..
[01:11:31] <anonimasu> and it's mostly due to the media's talk about good wine and stuff..
[01:11:45] <anonimasu> Rugludallur: that kind of thing makes you a alcoholic slowly..
[01:12:04] <anonimasu> :)
[01:12:26] <K`zan> Heh, if it were not for all of our abuses, we'd live forever :).
[01:13:59] <Rugludallur> I don't think we can possibly expect to stop people from killing themselves by legislation, there are better ways....
[01:14:53] <K`zan> The more they legislate the more I abuse what they tried to legislate away, tired of nannies.'
[01:16:13] <Rugludallur> Same goes for children imho, the longer you treat them like children the longer they will stay children,,, give them no responsibility and they will take no responsibility
[01:16:20] <anonimasu> K`zan: hm, you really dont seem like a rebel.. :)
[01:16:23] <K`zan> Yep
[01:17:27] <K`zan> anonimasu: Not really a rebel, but tired to DEATH of people wanting me to do what they want me to do, it is MY life. As long as I am not hurting anyone (no junk science allowed) just leave me the hell alone :-).
[01:18:27] <K`zan> coffee!!!!
[01:18:43] <anonimasu> :)
[01:18:45] <anonimasu> tea!!!!!!
[01:18:55] <K`zan> Grand Marinier :)!
[01:19:02] <anonimasu> pass
[01:19:11] <anonimasu> * anonimasu goes to put on some tea
[01:19:17] <K`zan> Good, more for me ;-)
[01:19:21] <Rugludallur> pass (but cofee and gm are a good blend)
[01:20:22] <anonimasu> I've never had grand mariner..
[01:20:48] <anonimasu> cognac?
[01:21:05] <Rugludallur> anonimasu: sweet liquor
[01:21:11] <anonimasu> ah
[01:23:21] <K`zan> Orange liquor of some ilk, yummie,
[01:23:45] <anonimasu> http://www.grand-marnier.com
[01:23:47] <K`zan> Then there is Yukon Jack :)
[01:24:35] <anonimasu> whiskey..?
[01:24:47] <anonimasu> nice
[01:25:07] <K`zan> Lethal :), Canadian equivalent of Southern Comfort :)
[01:25:08] <anonimasu> tea's ready
[01:25:08] <anonimasu> :9
[01:25:18] <anonimasu> never had that either..
[01:25:31] <K`zan> Roasted beans last night and just ground up enough for another pot...
[01:28:36] <anonimasu> :)
[01:28:48] <K`zan> So spoiled :)
[01:29:42] <anonimasu> haha
[01:29:57] <anonimasu> nice isnt it?
[01:30:18] <K`zan> Can't even drink that rancid "gourmet" crap at the stores anymore. Yes it is :).
[01:30:35] <K`zan> Education can indeed be a problem :).
[01:32:07] <anonimasu> :)
[01:32:20] <anonimasu> hm, im beat on what to draw/machine
[01:32:36] <K`zan> Same here :-/.
[01:33:00] <K`zan> Would like to make a naval cannon, perhaps someday.
[01:33:04] <anonimasu> :)
[01:33:27] <anonimasu> I think my next project is limit switch mounts.
[01:33:27] <K`zan> Thinking of trying to make one out of wood on the lathe just to see what it takes.
[01:34:13] <K`zan> Good choice!
[01:34:31] <K`zan> Been looking at the magnetic sensors for that when I get there.
[01:34:50] <Rugludallur> K`zan: hall type ?
[01:35:12] <anonimasu> I'll go with inductive ones..
[01:35:25] <K`zan> http://www.balbots.com/article_info.php?articles_id=10
[01:35:47] <K`zan> Yes, see---^^^^^ down the page a ways
[01:36:01] <anonimasu> I need them so I can home my machine when I do production stuff
[01:36:35] <K`zan> Yep, makes real good sense under any conditions.
[01:36:49] <anonimasu> so I can just offset my fixture..
[01:36:55] <anonimasu> and then always end up at the same place..
[01:37:03] <anonimasu> even though I may power down/stuff
[01:37:11] <anonimasu> or if my machine stalls..
[01:37:14] <anonimasu> or I break a tool :)
[01:37:30] <Rugludallur> K`zan: Hall sensors make sense, and I would not worry about chips, they might affect homing but not the limit functionality
[01:37:43] <K`zan> Agree, that seems to me like it is purely not optional, figuring out how to set up the CNC stuff without them seems difficult at best.
[01:38:03] <anonimasu> what I really need is a tool length setter..
[01:38:10] <anonimasu> but having a home on Z solves that issue also
[01:38:18] <K`zan> MUCH to learn on this end. Working on machines already done is no preparation for doing it yourself :).
[01:38:28] <Rugludallur> btw, I would try to use NC switches, just in case there are problems with wiring your machine wont destroy itself
[01:38:48] <anonimasu> yep
[01:38:57] <anonimasu> ah sweet tea
[01:39:01] <K`zan> Rugludallur: with this little thing, it will blow fuses long before it gets to be an issue :).
[01:39:21] <K`zan> But when I get CNC'd it will be a lot more of an issue for other reasons.
[01:39:30] <Rugludallur> kk
[01:39:38] <anonimasu> hm, setting up work with a cnc is the hard part..
[01:39:42] <anonimasu> fixturing..
[01:39:47] <K`zan> Yep
[01:39:58] <anonimasu> I can draw a impeller and make toolpaths for it easily.
[01:40:02] <anonimasu> but how the hell do you clamp it down ;D
[01:40:19] <K`zan> I just wrote the programs, the shop guy did the setup, something I *REALLY* should have paid a lot more attention to.
[01:40:41] <Rugludallur> anonimasu: align with a laser and use an air-vacuum system :D
[01:40:44] <K`zan> An interesting question to be sure.
[01:40:48] <anonimasu> Rugludallur: on a mill?
[01:41:18] <anonimasu> Rugludallur: I'm not trusting vaccum to keep 20mm alu plates clying ;)
[01:41:45] <anonimasu> flying
[01:41:49] <anonimasu> ^_^
[01:42:05] <anonimasu> K`zan: once you understand it you begin to think about clamping when designing stuff
[01:42:08] <anonimasu> K`zan: it's a mess :D
[01:42:08] <Rugludallur> anonimasu: more/less vacuum, (more is less)=
[01:42:23] <anonimasu> haha
[01:42:48] <K`zan> Yep, I can well imagine. Learning more everytime I do something on the mill or lathe here, love it!
[01:43:12] <Rugludallur> anonimasu: not sure how practical it is for mill, I have seen it used for everything from wafer things (cpu) to wood routing but never for steel or alu
[01:43:49] <anonimasu> Rugludallur: it'll work but with limited surface area it's not as practical
[01:44:12] <anonimasu> Rugludallur: I think they use it for large stuff at boeing.. and so :)
[01:44:55] <Rugludallur> anonimasu: magnetic locks work with some materials
[01:45:04] <anonimasu> yep
[01:45:17] <anonimasu> Rugludallur: it's a alignment issue also :)
[01:45:30] <anonimasu> I'm going to go for a pallet system with theese parts..
[01:45:51] <anonimasu> location pin.. on each part and a plate onthe machine that mates..
[01:46:07] <anonimasu> then bolt the parts down to the pallet..
[01:46:14] <K`zan> Wish I could find some free plans for the naval cannon barrel, sigh.
[01:46:22] <anonimasu> what era?
[01:46:28] <Rugludallur> anonimasu: a bit like a "toolchanger" for parts
[01:46:36] <anonimasu> http://www.a2armory.com/images/navel-cannon.jpg
[01:47:05] <anonimasu> Rugludallur: well after the first cuts/facing I never want to change the part's location :)
[01:47:33] <K`zan> purdy, but not enough detail I think, maybe, hummmm.....
[01:47:42] <anonimasu> Rugludallur: or I'll just bolt the part to the fixure..
[01:47:45] <anonimasu> fixture..
[01:47:53] <anonimasu> and do all operations on the same setup
[01:48:06] <anonimasu> http://www.buckstix.com/HowitzerPlans.htm
[01:50:09] <anonimasu> im out of tea now
[01:50:26] <K`zan> I wish!!!!!!!!
[01:50:41] <anonimasu> ?
[01:50:46] <Rugludallur> anonimasu: how about using a 4 jaw independent chuck ?
[01:50:48] <anonimasu> scale it down
[01:50:57] <anonimasu> Rugludallur: I dont have one
[01:50:58] <K`zan> Figure a 6" barrel would be about the biggest I could make more or less.
[01:51:09] <anonimasu> and I stull wouldnt be able to machine the sides of the part :)
[01:51:24] <anonimasu> need to do the first cut then bolt it down do the rest and cut the edges
[01:52:27] <Rugludallur> anonimasu: aka , align sides, face all sides, and have access from 5 sides ?
[01:52:46] <anonimasu> yeah
[01:52:50] <anonimasu> rather face top..
[01:52:55] <anonimasu> change to endmill.. face sides..
[01:53:04] <anonimasu> mill features/holes/indents/everything
[01:53:20] <anonimasu> Rugludallur: as I need to make 10 flipping the parts isnt a good idea either
[01:53:50] <Rugludallur> anonimasu: you need to flip the part several times during the cut ?
[01:54:21] <Rugludallur> anonimasu: or did I just misunderstand ?
[02:00:16] <Rugludallur> anonimasu: if you really feel like testing something new you could try some of the recent dry adhesives, but those are still experimental :D
[02:01:29] <anonimasu> Rugludallur: this is aluminium.
[02:01:53] <K`zan> Can't screw it to a fixture from behind?
[02:02:22] <anonimasu> K`zan: yes, but that's more work
[02:02:32] <anonimasu> that's probably the way I'll do it..
[02:02:42] <anonimasu> or well, rather from the top..
[02:02:55] <anonimasu> Rugludallur: I do not want to flip them over, at all
[02:03:36] <K`zan> anonimasu: Yeah, sometimes you don't get to do it the easy way :-(.
[02:04:36] <anonimasu> K`zan: I need 10 of theese things
[02:04:49] <anonimasu> there are 4 parts in each device..
[02:08:54] <K`zan> Heh, that is why you get paid the big bucks :)!
[02:09:02] <anonimasu> lol
[02:09:11] <anonimasu> I wish.
[02:19:15] <K`zan> :-) brb, will see if I got kuickshow to install in ubuntu,,,
[02:19:38] <Rugludallur> l8r
[02:21:25] <K`zan> woiked!
[02:21:32] <K`zan> chow bbl
[02:34:30] <anonimasu> Rugludallur: well night
[02:34:33] <anonimasu> whoops..
[02:34:35] <anonimasu> g'nite
[02:51:19] <Rugludallur> nite
[03:14:01] <ejholmgren> so co :o~
[03:15:07] <ejholmgren> all I have is irish cream right now ... feh
[03:16:15] <fenn> machine the cylinder out of square stock, then put flat=head bolts in all four corners
[03:16:32] <fenn> leaving a thin web of square for the bolts
[04:11:27] <owad> What's the difference between a differential encoder and a quadrature encoder?
[04:12:28] <jmkasunich> both are quadrature
[04:12:50] <jmkasunich> quadrature describes the pattern of the A and B signals from the encoder
[04:13:01] <owad> oh good
[04:13:15] <jmkasunich> differential means that A and B are sent on two wires each instead of just one, for better noise immunity
[04:13:59] <owad> So if I've got a "2,500 line differential encoder" I should be in good shape interfacing that to a 7i33 quadrature encoder?
[04:14:59] <owad> It looks like they're using a 10-pin connector.
[04:18:38] <jmkasunich> for best results, if you have a differential encoder, you should use a differential line reciever to convert the differnetial signals to single ended before sending them to the 5i20 thru the 7i33
[04:19:01] <jmkasunich> you can simply use one of the two wires instead, but you will lose noise immunity
[04:19:56] <SWPadnos> the 7i33 has differential receivers
[04:20:03] <SWPadnos> selectable on a per-cahnnel basis
[04:20:07] <SWPadnos> per channel
[04:20:33] <jmkasunich> oops, I guess I should have read the fine pring
[04:20:35] <jmkasunich> print
[04:20:41] <SWPadnos> heh
[04:20:49] <SWPadnos> they're RS-422 receivers
[04:21:11] <owad> Is encoder output typically RS-422?
[04:21:45] <SWPadnos> they're both differential signaling, so it should work (and the 7i33 is specifically meant to work with encoders ...)
[04:23:10] <owad> Thanks. I'd be thinking of the encoder output as a parallel binary-count sort of connection.
[04:23:21] <owad> connection=signal
[04:24:41] <owad> My encoders have two lines of 5 pins. Is that likely to be a standard layout, or am I going to have to fiddle around trying to figure out which cable's which?
[04:28:29] <SWPLinux> what's the brand?
[04:29:53] <owad> I'm not sure. The mill specs describe state "Closed Loop - 2,500 line differential encoders". All I can really see is the wires coming out in the back.
[04:30:10] <owad> What I presume to be the wires, that is.
[04:30:23] <SWPLinux> ah. then it's a crap-shoot :)
[04:30:48] <SWPLinux> if you were looking at an encoder and the connector on it, it would probably be possible to find the pinout
[04:31:36] <owad> I'll see if I can find out what they are.
[04:32:19] <SWPLinux> you may be able to tell something from the other end of the cable. you should be able to find the power and ground pins that way
[04:32:39] <SWPLinux> after you find those, you can power the encoder on, and look at what the signals do when you move the motor by hand
[04:33:20] <owad> I thought this was serial?
[04:34:14] <SWPLinux> if it's serial, you have a problem
[04:34:29] <SWPLinux> RS-422 is just a signaling standard, I don't think it says anything about what the signals mean
[04:34:43] <SWPLinux> (in case that's what made you think it was serial)
[04:35:11] <owad> Yes. I didn't realize that.
[04:35:50] <owad> I thought it was a variant of RS-232, but I see it's more of a superset.
[04:36:42] <SWPLinux> it's also used for serial ports. RS-422 basically means "use this voltage for 0 and this voltage for 1, and that's relative to each other, not some other ground pin"
[04:37:09] <SWPLinux> (RS-232 means "0 = 12V and 1 = -12V, both relative to ground")
[04:37:31] <SWPLinux> or maybe it's the other polarity - one can never remember these things :)
[04:37:38] <owad> thanks
[04:38:09] <owad> Wow - I just realized I lose nearly half my X-axis travel because of the space that ATC takes up!
[04:38:44] <SWPLinux> heh - always a tradeoff
[04:39:00] <owad> 12" down to 6.75"
[04:43:01] <owad> I was told that the spindle is controlled by a "mineric boss controller", but that isn't turning up a single Google hit. Anybody recognize that name, or any misspellings?
[04:44:16] <owad> reminiscent of Bridgeport…
[05:10:23] <owad> Well, I'm headed off. I really appreciate all the help today.
[06:08:12] <jtr> owad: try http://www.minarik.com
[06:14:38] <ds3> Hmmmmm is it true Mach 3 is basically EMC ported to windows?
[06:15:23] <SWPadnos> I think Mach was originally based on the public domain EMC code released by NIST
[06:15:27] <SWPadnos> at least the interpreter
[06:20:23] <jmkasunich> the two programs have been independent for a very long time, and other than the interpreter itself they no longer have much in common
[06:25:13] <ds3> Oh
[06:25:35] <ds3> but does that mean a post processor written for Mach will work on EMC then if they use the interpreter?
[06:25:48] <jmkasunich> hard to say, its probably worth a try
[06:26:05] <jmkasunich> both programs have added features to the interpreter since the original version
[06:26:30] <ds3> ah
[06:26:53] <SWPadnos> O know there are codes in the G10-G14 region in Mach that do things like circles of a given radius (for making holes)
[06:26:57] <SWPadnos> s/O/I/
[06:27:05] <ds3> nice to have random rants on the web cleared up by the authorities =)
[06:27:28] <SWPadnos> the authorities? where?
[06:27:34] <ds3> You guys =)
[06:28:09] <SWPadnos> "yes, Officer. He did use public domain code" :)
[06:37:42] <K`zan> The more I think on this the more it might be wise to roll my own driver or perhaps start with one of the pminmo ones....
[06:46:49] <ds3> what's the name of the official deb package called?
[06:46:57] <ds3> (trying to find it on the CDROM)
[06:53:50] <SWPadnos> what package, and what CDROM?
[06:54:02] <ds3> the Ubuntu CDROM
[06:54:38] <K`zan> deb package for what?
[06:54:43] <ds3> EMC
[06:54:45] <ds3> emc2
[06:54:57] <SWPadnos> unless you have an EMC2 livecCD, it's not on the CD
[06:55:07] <ds3> I do have the EMC2 LiveCD
[06:55:11] <SWPadnos> if you do have an EMC2 liveCD, then it should already be installed (if you installed from that)
[06:55:32] <ds3> I am trying to extract it
[06:55:34] <K`zan> doesn't even show up in adept, may be an orphan you have to do manually.
[06:55:34] <SWPadnos> there are two packages, emc2 and emc2-axis
[06:55:50] <SWPadnos> you may have to apt-cdrom add first
[06:56:04] <ds3> problem is I don't see any file with 'emc2' in the filename
[06:56:24] <SWPadnos> somethinkg like base/packages/e/emc or the like
[06:56:24] <K`zan> Wonder if I might have been smarter to use the emc ROM to install rather than the regular ubuntu install CD...
[06:57:31] <ds3> not a single file named 'emc'
[06:57:37] <ds3> or contain emc in the name
[06:57:48] <ds3> is there a site I can download just the deb (or a tar)?
[06:57:56] <SWPadnos> are you trying to extract the package, or install it? (extract could also mean copy or "untar")
[06:58:15] <ds3> extract
[06:58:17] <SWPadnos> hold on a sec. what OS are you running, and from what was it installed?
[06:58:36] <ds3> I don't care what OS for this purpose, I just want to extract the package
[06:58:51] <SWPadnos> ok. one sec
[07:02:20] <K`zan> dpkg-deb --extract {packagename}
[07:02:53] <ds3> not the command, I need to name ofthe package or the place to find it
[07:03:00] <SWPadnos> I'm not sure of the structure of the disc, but soemwhere there will be a tree of packages (maybe under "packages" or something)
[07:03:06] <SWPadnos> are you looking for the source or the binary?
[07:03:14] <ds3> binary will do for now
[07:03:57] <SWPadnos> ok. I haev some trepidation about this, since the binary is unlikely to run on anything other than the emc2 ubuntu kernel ...
[07:04:26] <SWPadnos> http://www.linuxcnc.org/emc2/dists/dapper/emc2/
[07:04:55] <ds3> yes, thank you.
[07:05:04] <ds3> I don't expect it to run in the normal sense
[07:05:30] <SWPadnos> you can probably look at it with a debugger or something, but none of the RT stuff will run of course
[07:05:49] <SWPadnos> unless you've done some very strange things with a custom kernel, and turned off module versions stuff
[07:06:04] <ds3> trying to scope out how much effort it would take to make this into a G-code simulator so RT is irrelevant
[07:06:48] <SWPadnos> it's not that irrelevant. the GUIs talk to the EMC system. the EMC system relies on RT, so for the most part, nothing will work
[07:07:04] <ds3> irrelevant for my scoping purposes
[07:07:22] <SWPadnos> ok - you know more about what you're trying to do than I do :)
[07:07:40] <ds3> I've done these duct-tape style hacks before
[07:10:46] <SWPadnos> if you get the source (from CVS probably), and configure with --enable-run-in-place and --enable-simulator, you should get some executables without all the dependencies
[07:11:33] <SWPadnos> the programs still need to communicate with the EMC2 core in place (and are set up to run in the specific environment, for the most part)
[07:16:14] <ds3> trying to avoid having to get the entire build enviroment
[07:16:29] <ds3> <-- intrinstically lazy
[07:16:52] <SWPadnos> ah. do you want to use axis or something similar for the simulator? (ie, with pretty graphics)
[07:17:25] <ds3> yep
[07:17:43] <SWPadnos> ok. then you'll need python, tcl/tk (I think), and a few others
[07:17:58] <SWPadnos> gtk whouldn't be needed
[07:17:59] <ds3> I figure a few days worth of hacking is better then $300 for cut viewer that runs only on windows
[07:18:01] <SWPadnos> shouldn't
[07:18:06] <ds3> that's the reason why I want to use the binaries
[07:18:13] <SWPadnos> are you trying to get it to run on Windows?
[07:18:24] <jmkasunich> axis is not a binary - its python
[07:18:48] <SWPadnos> parts of it are binary though - like the interp, the emc module, the canon module ...
[07:18:55] <ds3> nope, just some random striped down Linux setup
[07:19:00] <SWPadnos> ok, good :)
[07:19:02] <jmkasunich> right, but my point is you'll need python to run it
[07:19:17] <ds3> if I can patch it up as a single tar ball that runs, I'll be happy
[07:19:16] <jmkasunich> and tk, and a few other things
[07:19:33] <ds3> yes, hoping to snag the python/tk/etc off Ubuntu
[07:20:28] <SWPadnos> is this a stripped down Ubuntu setup?
[07:20:35] <ds3> yes, I can use liveCD + qemu but that is rather heavy weight
[07:21:02] <ds3> no, it is something antique based loosely off SLS ;)
[07:21:04] <jmkasunich> xubuntu?
[07:21:23] <SWPadnos> you're probably much better off just getting the needed compilers and stuff, and compiling a native simulator version
[07:21:55] <ds3> let me blow a day on this first; I been about 80% successful in thesedays
[07:22:09] <SWPadnos> you probably have the compiler, python, and tcl already. there aren't many other things to get, especially if you disable the building of HAL components which aren't needed for a simulator
[07:22:36] <SWPadnos> oh - I'd be happy for you to succeed (and post your methods on the wiki :) )
[07:24:08] <ds3> I am also basing this on a claim that the livecd stuff will work in simulator mode w/o the magma kernel
[07:24:25] <jmkasunich> thats not true
[07:24:42] <jmkasunich> the live CD has the magma kernel, and the code on it is compiled to user realtime
[07:24:50] <jmkasunich> it won't work without a realtime kernel
[07:25:01] <ds3> hmmmm
[07:25:12] <jmkasunich> if you want to use a non-rt kernel, you _MUST_ enable the simulator at "configure" time and then compile
[07:25:14] <SWPLinux> and it'll be veeeerrrrry slow under qemu
[07:25:29] <jmkasunich> that (and only that) will give you binaries that run with a normal kernel
[07:25:30] <SWPLinux> RT isn't generally happy in a VM
[07:25:41] <ds3> *grumble* confusing web pages
[07:26:02] <SWPLinux> where?
[07:26:12] <SWPLinux> (they should be fixed if they're confusing)
[07:26:43] <ds3> finding that page again
[07:41:36] <ds3> can't find things when you are looking for it
[07:42:15] <SWPLinux> no rush - I'm headed for bed :)
[07:42:40] <SWPLinux> if you find it sometime, paste it into the channel and someone can take a look (or if it's in the wiki, you can edit it)
[07:42:53] <SWPLinux> on that note. good night, and good luck :)
[08:45:12] <A-L-P-H-A> hello
[08:45:28] <ds3> comment - the compile system is not very friendly
[08:49:09] <jmkasunich> ?
[08:49:13] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/halcmd.c:
[08:49:13] <CIA-8> fixed a couple possible buffer overflows, fixed buggy handling of some odd
[08:49:13] <CIA-8> combinations of comments, quoted strings, etc, extracted some duplicated code
[08:49:13] <CIA-8> into a function, and marked several other possible buffer overflows to fix later
[08:49:36] <jmkasunich> ds3: its pretty much the normal Linux "./configure && make" system
[08:49:50] <ds3> all the @gcc, @g++ sprinkled all over make it hellish to track down flags being passed to GCC
[08:50:06] <jmkasunich> oh, you mean under the hood it isn't pretty
[08:50:25] <ds3> it is really really really useful to be able to see the exact commands used instead of just "Compiling realtime xyz"
[08:52:20] <jmkasunich> sometimes thats true
[08:52:27] <ds3> similar complaint with the 2.6 kernel tree but they have a centralized switch to toggle the behavior
[08:52:45] <jmkasunich> other times, five bazillion lines of crap flying past makes it hard to see any warnings
[08:52:55] <jmkasunich> we optimized for the latter case
[08:53:07] <ds3> that's why I always do 'make |& tee make.out" and scan that
[08:53:24] <ds3> but so far the similator build seems to work with a minor hack needed
[08:56:47] <jmkasunich> 4am... time for bed
[09:03:40] <K`zan> 'Bout that time here too.
[09:03:47] <K`zan> Night all.
[09:12:42] <A-L-P-H-A> night K`zan.
[09:12:47] <A-L-P-H-A> complainers.
[09:12:49] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[09:13:11] <A-L-P-H-A> my date and I noticed that our married friends are super complainers. :(
[09:13:19] <A-L-P-H-A> kinda annoying after a while...
[11:09:08] <lerneaen_hydra> http://www.spiegel.de/fotostrecke/0,5538,PB64-SUQ9MTg0NzMmbnI9Mg_3_3,00.html
[11:13:16] <awallin> Hi all, anyone know of a really simple CMS for a website ?
[11:13:30] <awallin> I've tried joomla, but it's quite feature rich and not what I need
[11:13:32] <lerneaen_hydra> joomla is nice IMO
[11:13:40] <lerneaen_hydra> hmm, pmwiki?
[11:13:55] <lerneaen_hydra> http://www.pmichaud.com/wiki/PmWiki/PmWiki
[11:14:04] <awallin> I use wordpress for my blog, but that's not suitable for a more general type of site
[11:15:05] <lerneaen_hydra> take a look at pmwiki, afaik it's relatively simple. (I haven't set it up myself, a friend in school has)
[11:16:08] <awallin> or... maybe a wordpress theme that made the site less of a 'blog' and more like joomla would be interesting...
[11:20:10] <lerneaen_hydra> is wordpress something locally hosted or is it on some central server?
[11:22:13] <lerneaen_hydra> btw, the recent aluminum parts on your page, were they made in the bf-20?
[11:22:37] <awallin> wordpress is php, and uses mysql. it sits on the server
[11:22:46] <awallin> lerneaen_hydra: yes, they are with the bf-20
[11:23:25] <lerneaen_hydra> oh ok
[11:26:49] <awallin> damn, it would be so much easier if the server wasn't in australia!
[11:35:46] <lerneaen_hydra> ? host it yourself?
[11:36:01] <lerneaen_hydra> that's what I'm doing with lerneaenhydra.shacknet.nu
[11:36:36] <lerneaen_hydra> didn't you have some academic ties?
[11:36:48] <lerneaen_hydra> they usually have amazing uplink speeds
[11:38:59] <awallin> this is for an organization, and they've started out with the server in aus... it's probably going to be more trouble changing...
[11:42:41] <lerneaen_hydra> oh, not just your page
[11:45:15] <alex_joni> morning all
[11:46:10] <lerneaen_hydra> 'lo
[11:46:15] <awallin> hi alex
[11:46:30] <lerneaen_hydra> martin_lundstrom = ^eugenics = chinamill, right?
[11:49:23] <awallin> now the only mystery left is: who the hell is lerneaen_hydra? ;)
[11:49:59] <alex_joni> /kick lerneaen_hydra
[11:50:04] <alex_joni> he's not even here :P
[11:50:55] <lerneaen_hydra> now I am
[11:51:03] <lerneaen_hydra> I am me
[11:51:06] <alex_joni> hmm.. that can be changed
[11:51:24] <awallin> alex_joni: I promised to remind you about the videos. The good ones from the wiki page could be hosted on linuxcnc.org
[11:51:41] <lerneaen_hydra> alex_joni: oh, how so?
[11:52:11] <alex_joni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HCkYfYa8ePI&mode=related&search
[11:53:25] <alex_joni> omg
[11:53:56] <lerneaen_hydra> damn
[11:55:23] <awallin> alex_joni: nice video. do you have borat on tv in your country? kind of the same thing
[11:56:56] <alex_joni> awallin: well.. I have the film somewhere, didn't get around to see it yet
[12:02:29] <alex_joni> bbl.. lunch
[12:02:48] <alex_joni> http://www.resursadefun.ro/gi9_Sale_now.htm
[12:03:02] <lerneaen_hydra> haha
[12:03:08] <lerneaen_hydra> almost engrish
[12:12:15] <alex_joni> http://www.resursadefun.ro/gi10_bombing.htm
[12:12:28] <alex_joni> http://www.resursadefun.ro/gi9_Complaint_Department.htm
[12:32:19] <lerneaen_hydra> haha
[12:34:20] <Rugludallur> morning
[12:35:12] <lerneaen_hydra> 'lo
[12:42:56] <vq> vq is now known as Vq^
[12:56:13] <awallin> anyone have experience with moving a website with a domain name from one isp to another?
[13:04:01] <awallin> anyone??
[13:05:28] <lerneaen_hydra> 'fraid not
[13:11:37] <Rugludallur> awallin: I can help
[13:11:50] <Rugludallur> awallin: got plenty of experience with that kind of thing
[13:12:19] <awallin> Rugludallur: great, so I think currently we have two agreements. one for the domain name, and one for the hosting
[13:12:24] <awallin> both are with the same company
[13:12:46] <awallin> but since the hosting has turned bad recently, I am thinking about changing hosting to another company
[13:13:52] <awallin> so somehow, the domain name needs to be handed over to the new hosting company?
[13:15:44] <Rugludallur> awallin: ok, the way this works is that when you buy a domain the domain itself gets bought from a registrant
[13:16:22] <Rugludallur> awallin: that domain is registered with a hosting company providing DNS services
[13:16:59] <Rugludallur> awallin: the hosting company providing DNS services then creates DNS records pointing to your web server
[13:18:24] <Rugludallur> awallin: you can have DNS servers anywhere in the world pointing to your web site, those two services don't need to go hand in hand
[13:30:23] <awallin> Rugludallur: ok, so we can probably keep the registrant, and only change the hosting
[13:31:23] <alex_joni> awallin: right
[13:31:31] <alex_joni> I am just moving most my domains to dreamhost.com
[13:31:40] <alex_joni> they provide very good services :)
[13:31:56] <Rugludallur> alex_joni: plus you get free subversion :D
[13:31:57] <alex_joni> linuxcnc.org is currently hosted there by mercy of SWPadnos :)
[13:32:07] <alex_joni> Rugludallur: svn, cvs, etc
[13:32:25] <awallin> alex_joni: dot5hosting, which I was thinking about, is 5 dollars/month (that's where my blog is)
[13:32:29] <alex_joni> awallin: 400G for about 16$ / months, 4TB transfer, unlimited domain hosting
[13:32:59] <alex_joni> awallin: I wouldn't cheap out on the hosting plan :D
[13:33:21] <alex_joni> 10-30$ / month for a company is nothing really
[14:22:07] <CIA-8> 03awallin 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/vcp.lyx:
[14:22:07] <CIA-8> use ctrl-enter for more compact formatting
[14:22:07] <CIA-8> use ctrl-" (seems to solve html formatting problem)
[14:37:10] <CIA-8> 03awallin 07HEAD * 10emc2/lib/python/pyvcp_widgets.py:
[14:37:10] <CIA-8> allow user to specify broder type and widht for hbox and vbox
[14:37:10] <CIA-8> (FLAT, SUNKEN, RAISED,
[14:37:10] <CIA-8> GROOVE, RIDGE)
[14:37:10] <CIA-8> (border width)
[14:45:01] <CIA-8> 03awallin 07HEAD * 10emc2/lib/python/pyvcp_widgets.py:
[14:45:01] <CIA-8> bar used 'startval' and 'endval' tags
[14:45:01] <CIA-8> scale used 'from_' and 'to' tags
[14:45:01] <CIA-8> both now use the more generic 'min_' and 'max_'
[14:47:46] <CIA-8> 03awallin 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/sim/lathe.xml: change endval tag to max_
[14:58:18] <alex_joni> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFGrQMD6Uqc hahaha
[15:03:13] <CIA-8> 03awallin 07HEAD * 10emc2/lib/python/pyvcp_widgets.py:
[15:03:13] <CIA-8> fix typo in pyvcp_bar
[15:03:13] <CIA-8> change jogwheel to use a dot instead of a line (tomp's suggestion from
[15:03:13] <CIA-8> the wiki)
[15:08:07] <CIA-8> 03awallin 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/vcp.lyx: document min_ and max_ tags for scale and bar
[15:10:18] <awalli1> anders@el-laser:/usr/local/bin$ pydoc
[15:10:18] <awalli1> bash: /usr/local/bin/pydoc: /usr/local/bin/python: bad interpreter: No such file or directory
[15:10:24] <awalli1> any ideas what is going on?
[15:10:48] <awalli1> I installed python 2.5 yesterday, when I thought I needed it, but I don't...
[15:10:54] <alex_joni> maybe it's not in /usr/local/bin/python ?
[15:11:07] <alex_joni> check for the location of python, and make a symlink
[15:11:26] <alex_joni> I think /usr/local/bin/python -> python2.4 might fix it
[15:13:25] <awalli1> I wonder where python2.4 is
[15:14:37] <alex_joni> find or locate :)
[15:14:44] <alex_joni> in /usr/ somewhere
[15:14:59] <awalli1> ok, now it works. thanks. strange that installing 2.5 will mess with pydoc for 2.4
[15:23:13] <awalli1> was there a wiki page with CAM references??
[15:23:22] <awalli1> I mean on the emc wiki?
[15:25:33] <cradek_> cradek_ is now known as cradek
[15:37:17] <alex_joni> hi chris
[15:37:30] <alex_joni> awalli1: there's a search field :D
[15:37:49] <alex_joni> awalli1: it finds this page for me: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Cam
[15:40:45] <awalli1> yep, I'm making a new page with links to papers now...
[15:56:04] <alex_joni> morning chris
[16:36:04] <awalli1> hi tomp, notice I changed the jogwheel to have a round 'handle' like you suggested
[16:37:45] <tomp> awallin: nice, didnt update yet, i'd like to see it
[16:39:05] <awalli1> heh, I've emailed the freesteel guys about helping out with open source CAM, let's see if they answer
[16:39:53] <awalli1> tomp: want any help with the widget you were planning?
[16:42:26] <tomp> awallin: i'm rotating the knob now (trying to find the call to update the coordinates, no.. trying to find the 'handle' of the coordinates... and the method)
[16:43:23] <awalli1> tomp: did you copy/paste the jogwheel code?
[16:45:01] <tomp> awallin: no, new stuff, the tcltk dial widget... the tkinter call is self.coords(self.linename, x0,y0,x1,y1)... i looked in your meter code
[16:46:05] <awalli1> yep, that is if you have a line that indicates where the knob is
[16:47:57] <tomp> awallin: spins now, but shorten line to just the pointy bit, leaving interior open for label and dro
[16:49:12] <awalli1> tomp: ok, sounds good, post a screenshot on imagebin when you have time
[16:49:36] <tomp> ok
[16:57:58] <awalli1> bbl
[17:17:01] <tomp> awallin:http://imagebin.org/6910
[17:36:42] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/TODO: updated todo's
[17:37:39] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/directory.map: updated config names
[17:43:19] <ejholmgren> is enco going to be one of the cheapest places to get acme threaded rod?
[17:43:40] <ejholmgren> "I needs teh 1/2" 10tpi"
[18:06:59] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/docs/NEWS: updated latest news, added info when the releases were made
[18:12:23] <alex_joni> cradek: can you add a README for the nist-lathe sample config?
[18:12:50] <alex_joni> likewise for the lathe-pluto .. or maybe someone else who knows about those configs :)
[18:30:51] <lerneaen_hydra> lots of activity today :)
[18:33:57] <alex_joni> yeah..
[18:44:26] <alex_joni> TCL error in asynchronous code:
[18:44:26] <alex_joni> couldn't execute "debuglevel": no such file or directory
[18:44:26] <alex_joni> while executing
[18:44:26] <alex_joni> "exec debuglevel &"
[18:44:26] <alex_joni> invoked from within
[18:44:29] <alex_joni> ".#menu.#menu#machine invoke active"
[18:45:54] <alex_joni> jepler: any idea?
[18:45:57] <jepler> I swear I tested that before checking it in!
[18:46:04] <alex_joni> might be locale related?
[18:46:04] <jepler> I must have missed something.
[18:46:07] <jepler> no
[18:46:11] <alex_joni> ok..
[18:47:24] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/Submakefile: merge rev 1.18: add script to set emc's debug level
[18:47:42] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/Submakefile: merge rev 1.19: listing -lemc and -lnml on the commandline is redundant
[18:47:47] <jepler> alex_joni: rebuild and try again?
[18:48:41] <alex_joni> one sec.. in the middle of a translation :)
[18:48:56] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/po/README: update the information about translations
[18:49:15] <lerneaen_hydra> jepler: btw, has the swedish translation been implemented?
[18:49:34] <alex_joni> there is a se_axis.po
[18:49:49] <lerneaen_hydra> yeah, I wrote it a long time ago ;)
[18:49:50] <alex_joni> but it's dated 10 Aug 2006, so some things are missing
[18:49:57] <lerneaen_hydra> oh, I see
[18:49:58] <alex_joni> lerneaen_hydra: could you update?
[18:50:03] <lerneaen_hydra> sure
[18:50:11] <alex_joni> great :)
[18:51:06] <lerneaen_hydra> alex_joni: do you know of a KDE translate app?
[18:51:14] <alex_joni> nope
[18:51:15] <jepler> kbabel
[18:51:20] <lerneaen_hydra> yay
[18:51:21] <alex_joni> I use a text editor
[18:51:36] <lerneaen_hydra> * lerneaen_hydra hugs apt
[18:51:51] <alex_joni> mcedit is great as usually :P (marks untranslated stuff with red)
[18:52:08] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/po/README: remove mention of potool; it crashed on me when I tried it
[18:52:28] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/src/po/README: merge rev 1.4
[18:52:40] <alex_joni> Traceback (most recent call last):
[18:52:40] <alex_joni> File "/home/juve/emc2.1.x/bin/debuglevel", line 39, in ?
[18:52:40] <alex_joni> bits = [
[18:52:40] <alex_joni> AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'DEBUG_TASK_ISSUE'
[18:53:20] <jepler> OK so clearly I suck
[18:53:45] <jepler> ooooohhhhhh -- I always ". emc-environment" from HEAD, so that's the version of debuglevel I kept testing
[18:54:06] <alex_joni> this is sim/axis, and run from the menu
[18:54:22] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/extensions/emcmodule.cc: merge rev 1.9: provide the symbolic debug constants to python (for debuglevel)
[18:55:41] <jepler> alex_joni: try once more?
[18:56:01] <alex_joni> on it..
[18:56:17] <lerneaen_hydra> hmm, where are the .po's located?
[18:56:29] <alex_joni> src/po
[18:56:41] <lerneaen_hydra> ah, thanks
[18:57:07] <alex_joni> jepler: cvs is slow for me..
[18:57:16] <lerneaen_hydra> me too (web-client)
[18:57:29] <lerneaen_hydra> lots of latency, about 5-6 seconds to load the page
[18:57:46] <alex_joni> maybe jepler is surfing too much pr0n and hogging the line :D
[18:57:50] <lerneaen_hydra> * lerneaen_hydra gasp
[18:58:09] <jepler> umm how did you guess?
[18:58:19] <alex_joni> well.. it's working now
[18:58:22] <alex_joni> but it's ugly :P
[18:58:32] <jepler> ugly?
[18:59:39] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/dropbox/AXIS.png
[19:00:27] <alex_joni> the background of that window could have been the same colour as the entries..
[19:01:44] <jepler> hm
[19:02:27] <lerneaen_hydra> alex_joni: MC!
[19:02:29] <lerneaen_hydra> yay!
[19:03:30] <alex_joni> lerneaen_hydra: I simply like it
[19:03:36] <lerneaen_hydra> me too
[19:03:47] <lerneaen_hydra> too bad it's not included on most distros
[19:04:38] <jepler> alex_joni: does this fix it?
[19:04:41] <jepler> http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/bgfix.patch
[19:05:29] <jepler> lunchtime here! bbl
[19:06:24] <olttos> g day gents..
[19:06:46] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/src/po/ro_axis.po: update romanian translation
[19:07:06] <lerneaen_hydra> alex_joni: is override limits for soft, hard, or both?
[19:07:21] <jmkasunich> both
[19:07:29] <lerneaen_hydra> ok
[19:08:24] <ottos> I'm wondering if someone can shed some light a a prob... running 2.03 ver emc.. lately in MDI mode what ever movement I imput I'm geting linear mode xxx out of range.. any ideas..?
[19:08:28] <alex_joni> jepler: yes, that fixes it
[19:08:55] <alex_joni> ottos: you might have some offsets active
[19:09:14] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: it is?
[19:09:33] <alex_joni> gotta run for a while.. bbl
[19:09:41] <ottos> how do I reset them..?
[19:09:43] <lerneaen_hydra> hmm, step program, is that the button that is pressed to increment or to activate that mode?
[19:09:51] <alex_joni> ottos: G92.something
[19:09:51] <jmkasunich> alex_joni: I think so
[19:09:59] <ottos> ok let me try..
[19:10:11] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: because there's a feature request for it to work on soft limits
[19:10:33] <jmkasunich> duh, its hard limits only
[19:10:39] <alex_joni> http://sourceforge.net/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=1491243&group_id=6744&atid=356744
[19:11:12] <jmkasunich> the intent for override limits is _not_ to let you go outside the limits, it is to allow you to jog back in after you accidentally went outside and tripped the machine
[19:11:35] <jmkasunich> since soft limits won't let you go outside in the first place, no need to let you override to get back
[19:12:14] <jmkasunich> I agree with cradek
[19:12:24] <lerneaen_hydra> jmkasunich: will soft-limits stop the machine before reaching the limit, or let it touch the limit? (basically, < limit or =< limit
[19:12:47] <jmkasunich> not sure, it might stop a tiny bit before
[19:12:55] <lerneaen_hydra> ok
[19:13:21] <jmkasunich> IMO, limits are limits, and are relative to home - if you don't have a home switch, then limits are meaningless
[19:13:51] <ottos> ..sorry nothing.. all offsets are at 0.. any other ideas..?
[19:14:01] <lerneaen_hydra> other than the "only use -Z limit to stop from gouging the table of the mill"
[19:14:35] <jmkasunich> like I said, I agree with cradek - an "unhome" button is the proper answer
[19:14:52] <jmkasunich> home the machine, and the limits protect you, unhome, do a tool change, rehome, and you are fine again
[19:15:42] <jmkasunich> ottos: what are the limits in your ini file, and what is the indicated position according to EMC's display?
[19:27:48] <ottos> no it was working fini up to this morning.. when I booted I was working fine , when I had to move the machine in manual mode... since them any mode I imput is giving me out of range..? weird?!!
[19:28:06] <jmkasunich> manual mode - you mean you were jogging?
[19:28:07] <ottos> all positions are at 0..
[19:28:11] <ottos> yes..
[19:28:28] <ottos> all err are -16 , -18 etc..
[19:28:36] <jmkasunich> you jogged to exactly zero on all axis?
[19:28:53] <ottos> more or less.
[19:29:05] <jmkasunich> can you jog now?
[19:29:12] <ottos> yes..
[19:29:17] <jmkasunich> but you can't mdi?
[19:29:26] <ottos> yes.. nor auto..
[19:29:35] <jmkasunich> not even mdi g0 x0 y0 z0 ?
[19:29:44] <ottos> nada..
[19:30:25] <ottos> i can imput all g1, feed etc.. however when any axes extered it come up with the error..
[19:30:26] <jmkasunich> wtf?
[19:30:40] <ottos> ? wtf?
[19:31:03] <ottos> sorry what do you mean...
[19:31:03] <jmkasunich> what you are describing makes no sense to me, so I said to myself "wft?"
[19:31:20] <jmkasunich> if you can jog, then the limits aren't the issue
[19:31:59] <ottos> do it mean I have to reinstall emc//.? I've rebooted 3 times.
[19:32:02] <jmkasunich> no
[19:32:07] <jmkasunich> this is NOT windows
[19:32:19] <jmkasunich> erasing everything and reinstalling is NOT the way to fix things
[19:32:27] <jmkasunich> (sorry, thats a pet peeve of mine)
[19:32:51] <ottos> I know but I need to get this machine to work ny tonoght .. have some work to do tomorow..
[19:32:55] <jmkasunich> rebooting is not usually the way to fix things either - if you have to reboot, there is a bug and we need to fix it
[19:33:16] <jmkasunich> there is no reason to believe it will work any differnetly after a reinstall
[19:33:27] <jmkasunich> is this a pretty much standard stepper machine, or are you using servos or?
[19:33:45] <ottos> servos motenc..
[19:34:13] <jmkasunich> darn, thats gonna make it hard for me to try to reproduce your results
[19:34:25] <jmkasunich> can you post your config files on pastebin.ca?
[19:34:39] <ottos> sure..
[19:34:40] <jmkasunich> ini file and hal files - basically any file in your config directory that you have modified
[19:34:56] <jmkasunich> what version of EMC are you running?
[19:35:07] <ottos> 2.02 i think..
[19:35:14] <jmkasunich> which GUI?
[19:35:22] <ottos> tkemc..
[19:36:25] <ottos> weird that it worked for 3 months and now this..
[19:36:36] <jmkasunich> and you didn't change anything?
[19:36:43] <ottos> no..
[19:36:57] <jmkasunich> in tkemc, click on help->about
[19:37:12] <jmkasunich> the last line in that dialog will tell you the emc version
[19:37:25] <ottos> can it be hdd corruption.. i have the impresion the hdd is going bad..
[19:37:44] <jmkasunich> maybe - hdd corruption can do anything
[19:38:19] <jmkasunich> and the minute you "have the impression" that your disk is failing, you ought to forget about everything except backing up your data and getting a new disk!
[19:39:36] <ottos> ya.. I've backed up my emc files..
[19:39:52] <jmkasunich> did you do the help->about? what version are you running?
[19:40:04] <ottos> I'm boothing the machine.. one sec..
[19:40:24] <jmkasunich> oh, I assumed that you were typing at me from the EMC machine, and that it was running at the time
[19:40:41] <jmkasunich> its hard to help you troubleshoot when the machine isn't even on
[19:41:07] <ottos> no the emc has no int. connection...
[19:41:12] <jmkasunich> argh
[19:41:25] <ottos> ya I know..getting the cabling done..
[19:41:55] <jmkasunich> that would explain why you are running version 2.02, when the latest is 2.0.5
[19:42:48] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/lib/python/rs274/options.py: make the background of . match the background of all the other widgets
[19:43:10] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/lib/python/rs274/options.py: merge rev 1.4: make the background of . match
[19:43:45] <ottos> I guess I should upgrade..!
[19:44:08] <jmkasunich> yeah
[19:44:47] <jmkasunich> I don't know if that will make a difference, but I do know that 2.0.3 thru 2.0.5 were all bugfix releases - maybe this is a bug that is now fixed
[19:44:52] <ottos> when switching from g0 to g1 getting the same err message..
[19:45:34] <ottos> ok.. is there a written procedure on upgrating on wiki..?
[19:46:05] <jmkasunich> the procedure is called "connect the PC to the internet"
[19:46:24] <jmkasunich> the upgrade manager will automatically detect that there is a new version and prompt you to install it
[19:46:52] <jmkasunich> IMO, a Linux PC isn't really complete without an internet connection - all your software and updates come from the net
[19:47:13] <ottos> ok will do..
[19:47:15] <jepler> you can download the new .deb file from this url: http://linuxcnc.org/emc2/dists/UBUNTU-VERSION/emc2/binary-i386/emc2_2.0.5_i386.deb -- replace UBUNTU-VERSION with "breezy" or "dapper", depending which version you have
[19:47:35] <jepler> then at the terminal, you can install it with: dpkg -i emc2_2.0.5_i386.deb
[19:48:05] <jmkasunich> jepler: that means you can copy the deb file from a machine that has internet access to one that doesn't?
[19:48:06] <jepler> but jmkasunich is right -- there are a lot of benefits (including very easy updates) to having an internet connection available
[19:48:24] <jepler> jmkasunich: yes this assumes you have a USB drive or something
[19:52:35] <awallin> some serious amounts of spam moving around today... mu junk folder shows 700 new messages - anyone else have the same problem?
[19:52:49] <K`zan> jepler: does that deb include the rtc stuff too?
[19:52:56] <K`zan> awallin: Not here :).
[19:53:24] <K`zan> * K`zan spoofs spammers and it works :).
[19:54:22] <ottos> ok installed temp int conn.. getting ready to install..
[19:54:36] <jepler> what rtc stuff?
[19:54:55] <ottos> yes...
[19:55:04] <ottos> yes
[20:03:12] <robin_sz> awallin, we just started a rbl service on our incoming SMTP connection. it dumped over 12,000 connections on the first day!
[20:03:12] <ottos> sorry do I have to do somehting else after the upgrade..
[20:04:07] <awallin> robin_sz: oh, ok. my spam is usually the "undeliverable message" type of shit
[20:24:33] <robin_sz> awallin, then assuming you run your own mailserver, try using an rblsmtpd style program .. it works a treat for that sort of stuff
[20:26:43] <eholmgren> my calculus book for this sem has people riding a rollercoaster on the cover
[20:26:48] <eholmgren> ... math must be fun!!
[20:31:24] <ottos> well gents after sucessfull install .. my emc2 is dead.. it locks up on every try
[20:32:22] <jmkasunich> locks up when? when you attempt to start it? when you give an MDI command? when you come out of estop?
[20:34:17] <eholmgren> ottos: what are the processor specs and what's the base period set at?
[20:35:44] <ottos> when I enter the mdi .. it locks up.. I think that the update changes the ini files right.. have to put the old ones back..
[20:35:52] <ottos> pr 1.8 512 mg ram..
[20:36:51] <robin_sz> 1.8ghz?
[20:37:41] <ottos> yes..
[20:39:49] <ottos> is 6.10 compatible with 2.0.5 emc2?
[20:40:15] <ottos> Ubuntu 6.10..
[20:41:53] <jepler> ottos: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2#Why_aren_t_there_packages_for_Ubuntu_6_10_Edgy_Eft
[20:44:11] <ottos> thank you..
[20:51:15] <ottos> jepler could you shed some light on which files are read for config. the old or the .new ?
[20:52:58] <jepler> I'm not sure what .new files he meant
[20:55:12] <alex_joni> ottos: you said the upgrade changed your config files?
[20:55:19] <alex_joni> that shouldn't happen..
[20:56:01] <alex_joni> first of all you should have your config files in your home folder as described here: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?CustomizingConfigsOnUbuntu
[20:57:46] <ottos> are the timing periods changed from 2.02 to 2.05?
[20:57:54] <ottos> my servo are 200000
[20:57:59] <alex_joni> no, and for the motenc config it shouldn't matter
[21:00:40] <jmkasunich> ottos: the default for servo period is 1000000 for every sample config
[21:00:51] <jmkasunich> if you have 200000, that si because you changed it
[21:01:07] <jmkasunich> and you shouldn't do that unless you know exactly what you are doing and have a very good reason
[21:09:15] <ottos> yes.. what is happenning is a jerk motion what was when going above 3000mm/min.. I've had to krank up the values to get a smooth path..
[21:30:12] <ottos> just tried the old values with the .05 ver..and it's still jerking..
[21:32:50] <alex_joni> and if you decrease it to 200000 ?
[21:35:00] <alex_joni> bbl
[21:41:05] <ottos> seems to follow ok.. well in the old one did..
[22:04:45] <awallin> a slow evening...
[22:07:04] <alex_joni> awallin: right
[22:07:13] <anonimasu> robin_sz: wake up..
[22:07:26] <alex_joni> shh.. he's sleeping with his bot
[22:07:50] <awallin> alex_joni: I was bored, so I read the freesteel blog... looked at their offset ellipse problem, etc
[22:10:25] <anonimasu> :)
[22:11:41] <A-L-P-H-A> freesteel?
[22:11:54] <A-L-P-H-A> sounds like a porno thing... but i'm hoping it's free metal stock... :)
[22:13:13] <awallin> http://www.freesteel.co.uk/wpblog/index.php
[22:13:24] <lerneaen_hydra> damn, anyone else here seen requiem for a dream
[22:13:39] <anonimasu> yes
[22:13:46] <lerneaen_hydra> * lerneaen_hydra just saw it
[22:13:49] <lerneaen_hydra> very, very well done
[22:14:03] <anonimasu> lerneaen_hydra: masterpiece, with a wonderful soundtrack..
[22:14:08] <lerneaen_hydra> yeah
[22:14:09] <anonimasu> however it gave me enough drugs for several years
[22:14:13] <anonimasu> lerneaen_hydra: seen pi?
[22:14:20] <lerneaen_hydra> wonderful haunting violin piece
[22:14:31] <lerneaen_hydra> not yet, it's the next film I'll see ;)
[22:14:51] <anonimasu> hehe
[22:14:52] <A-L-P-H-A> pi is kick ass.
[22:14:58] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[22:15:01] <anonimasu> it's as great
[22:15:02] <A-L-P-H-A> shit... there was another movie that was really cool too.
[22:15:03] <anonimasu> maybe greater
[22:15:16] <lerneaen_hydra> hmm, nice
[22:15:32] <A-L-P-H-A> it was a low budget movie... where there two engineers, build a time machine, but can only go back a few days.
[22:15:38] <lerneaen_hydra> primer :D
[22:15:43] <lerneaen_hydra> damn good too
[22:15:44] <A-L-P-H-A> thank you!
[22:15:47] <A-L-P-H-A> it's primer.
[22:15:55] <A-L-P-H-A> I love those kind of thinking movies. :)
[22:16:05] <lerneaen_hydra> it can only go as far back in time as when you started the machine
[22:16:29] <A-L-P-H-A> I realize I can't watch movies with some people... people that make noise like tapping the couch, or asking questions the entire time...
[22:16:35] <ottos> gents.. is there any explication that parameters from older versions of emc2 are not behaving the same way on the new ones..?
[22:16:46] <alex_joni> ottos: what kind of parameters?
[22:16:59] <lerneaen_hydra> asking questions. heh, that's not too great
[22:17:28] <ottos> you know the servo etc.. if I put the old params the machine lockup if I increase them movement are jerky..
[22:17:41] <A-L-P-H-A> lh, it was horrible... my friend Nancy, just kept asking questions through "The aviator"... it was driving me nuts.
[22:17:58] <A-L-P-H-A> ottos, you'll have to be a little more specific.
[22:18:03] <alex_joni> ottos: that is strange and shouldn't happen
[22:18:09] <alex_joni> are you sure you put the same params ?
[22:18:21] <lerneaen_hydra> A-L-P-H-A: aaargh
[22:19:13] <A-L-P-H-A> lh, none of us have seen the movie, I only know about him from learning about Huges, she was like, why's he's doing that? 'why's he washing his hands'? 'are there people really like that'?
[22:19:31] <ottos> yes.. 0.0001 for the traj , sleep, 100000 for the traj and 200000 for servos..do you see anything fishy...?
[22:20:04] <A-L-P-H-A> ottos, anything in dmesg? or crash message?
[22:20:55] <lerneaen_hydra> A-L-P-H-A: fun fun
[22:21:20] <jepler> ottos: traj should be >= servo -- for instance, in the default configuration traj is 10ms and servo is 1ms.
[22:21:31] <ottos> yes I'm getting a warning that real time of getting unexpected delay..?!
[22:21:48] <ottos> ok.. let me try..
[22:22:06] <alex_joni> ottos: the real time unexpected delay shows a problem with your machine
[22:22:26] <alex_joni> it wasn't reported earlier, only since 2.0.4 it's beeing recognized and reported
[22:22:35] <alex_joni> but with a servo system you might get away using it
[22:22:45] <ottos> ok.. so the upgrade didn't to 2.0.5 didn't do a clean job..
[22:22:54] <ottos> let me check it..
[22:23:01] <alex_joni> clean job?
[22:23:23] <ottos> i've upgraded from 2.0.2 to 2.0.5..
[22:23:37] <ottos> would that be hw related..?
[22:23:43] <jmkasunich> what makes you think it didn't do a clean job?
[22:23:55] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/po/ro_axis.po: latest translations
[22:24:13] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?TroubleShooting#Unexpected_realtime_delay_check_dmesg_for_details
[22:26:21] <lerneaen_hydra> A-L-P-H-A: do you know how the movie was accepted in the US mainstream?
[22:28:10] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/README: mention UPGRADE
[22:29:23] <alex_joni> darn typos
[22:29:29] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/README: meant docs/UPDATING
[22:32:56] <lerneaen_hydra> * lerneaen_hydra will now watch pi, bbl
[22:37:58] <anonimasu> lerneaen_hydra: cube is good also
[22:40:10] <A-L-P-H-A> lerneaen_hydra, probably not well... think about the normal average americant... then think about how intelligent the movie is. Realize the inequalities that present themselves. :(
[22:40:23] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, cube1 was kick ass... cube 2... :( hypercube :((
[22:40:35] <alex_joni> cube 0 ?
[22:40:44] <A-L-P-H-A> omg even worse!
[22:40:51] <alex_joni> :P
[22:40:56] <A-L-P-H-A> kept going to shits after each make... it was horrible!
[22:41:08] <alex_joni> saw3 was kinda fun
[22:41:15] <A-L-P-H-A> Did you know there was a movie called Stormship Troopers 3!?!?!
[22:41:28] <A-L-P-H-A> did you even know there was a TWO??
[22:42:00] <A-L-P-H-A> ONE at least had a coed bathroom scene, with who was the hottie grunt with perfect boobs?
[22:42:13] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: yeah..
[22:42:17] <anonimasu> hypercube sukcked..
[22:42:19] <anonimasu> sucked..
[22:42:28] <A-L-P-H-A> Denise Richards... yup her.
[22:42:33] <anonimasu> cube/cube 2 had this nice paranoid feeling over it..
[22:42:36] <anonimasu> conspiracy and so..
[22:42:42] <anonimasu> but hypercube just went too far
[22:42:47] <alex_joni> thought that was starship troopers? not stormship..
[22:43:30] <anonimasu> haha
[22:43:31] <A-L-P-H-A> Shit... Charlie Sheen is a luck mofo to be married with Denise Richards.
[22:43:49] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah, it was Starship.
[22:44:27] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[22:46:49] <A-L-P-H-A> recommend any other cool thinking movies?
[22:46:57] <A-L-P-H-A> pi, and primer were great.
[22:47:10] <A-L-P-H-A> momento was kick ass.
[22:47:17] <alex_joni> memento
[22:47:37] <alex_joni> I liked the usual suspects
[22:47:43] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halshow.tcl: make the layout correct when the window is enlarged or maximized
[22:47:43] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0793424/ momento.
[22:48:08] <A-L-P-H-A> oh you were right
[22:48:08] <alex_joni> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0209144/ memento
[22:48:11] <A-L-P-H-A> memento
[22:48:12] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0209144/
[22:48:14] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[22:48:24] <A-L-P-H-A> usual suspects was/is one of my fav movies
[22:48:34] <A-L-P-H-A> matrix is still one of my favs as well.
[22:48:41] <anonimasu> also a good movie
[22:49:00] <A-L-P-H-A> i liked 'contact' with Jodie Foster.
[22:49:03] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07v2_1_branch * 10emc2/tcl/bin/halshow.tcl: merge rev 1.6: make the layout correct when the window is enlarged or maximized
[22:51:56] <A-L-P-H-A> Shawshank Redemption is kick ass.
[22:52:04] <A-L-P-H-A> LOTR of course...
[22:52:19] <A-L-P-H-A> Never got through Schindler's List
[22:52:32] <A-L-P-H-A> 12 Monkey's was weird...
[22:53:00] <A-L-P-H-A> Fight Club...
[22:53:09] <A-L-P-H-A> Apocalypse Now (great war movie)
[22:53:34] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: watch snakes on the plane with Samuel L Jackson
[22:53:38] <A-L-P-H-A> no thanks.
[22:53:59] <alex_joni> seen it?
[22:54:00] <A-L-P-H-A> all I wanted to see was "I'm tired of these mother fucking snakes on this mother fucking plane". that's about it.
[22:54:09] <A-L-P-H-A> saw the youtube clip of that segment... all I cared for.
[22:54:14] <alex_joni> darn, too bad :)
[22:54:21] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm sure. :)
[22:54:40] <A-L-P-H-A> Oceans 11.
[22:55:08] <A-L-P-H-A> sixth sense was good too... bought it.
[22:55:23] <A-L-P-H-A> Gladiator was really good too
[23:04:53] <skunkworks> fight club, dream catcher.
[23:05:22] <Martin_Lundstrom> what do you think of magnolia?
[23:05:54] <skunkworks> reminds me of pulp fiction in a way..
[23:06:00] <skunkworks> but that is just me
[23:06:22] <Martin_Lundstrom> both are great
[23:06:36] <skunkworks> * skunkworks also like all of the harry potter movies - so judge as you will.
[23:06:51] <skunkworks> run lola run.. Very good movie.
[23:07:13] <alex_joni> skunkworks: http://bash.org/?111338
[23:08:08] <skunkworks> :)
[23:12:32] <skunkworks> alex_joni: have you seen 'run lola run'? was a german movie
[23:12:36] <alex_joni> yup
[23:14:01] <A-L-P-H-A> haven't seen magnolia, sister has it though.
[23:14:04] <A-L-P-H-A> what's dream catcher?
[23:14:28] <A-L-P-H-A> read the wang quote before.
[23:15:17] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: dream catcher is pretty decent
[23:15:47] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll check it out.
[23:17:09] <alex_joni> "I know you're out there. I can feel you now. I know that you're afraid... you're afraid of unrestricted internet access. You're afraid of not being fed content to you like AOL does. I don't know the future. I didn't come here to tell you how this is going to end. I came here to tell you how it's going to begin. I'm going to hang up this phone, and then I'm going to show you customers what you don't want to see. I'm going to show you an intar
[23:20:55] <skunkworks> dream catcher was a stephan king movie
[23:22:24] <alex_joni> lol.. bet this is fake: http://bash.org/?348450
[23:24:19] <skunkworks> now the fun begins... Lots of packing and cleaning. and hopes that this house will sell within the next 6 to 12 months.
[23:37:20] <A-L-P-H-A> this one is funny. http://bash.org/?27168
[23:39:00] <A-L-P-H-A> http://bash.org/?36959
[23:40:15] <A-L-P-H-A> omg... this made me laugh pretty hard. http://bash.org/?45927
[23:40:25] <Martin_Lundstrom> chocolat is a really nice movie
[23:40:36] <A-L-P-H-A> Martin_Lundstrom, isn't that a chick flick?
[23:41:06] <Martin_Lundstrom> I love it, but for brute guyes I dont know
[23:41:42] <Martin_Lundstrom> its a serious drama/comedy
[23:42:14] <Martin_Lundstrom> I bet theres a divx around
[23:42:22] <A-L-P-H-A> I like intelligent movies... I'm not the touchy feely movie kind of person... just touchy feely with women, with permission of course.
[23:42:31] <A-L-P-H-A> got some fun last night...
[23:42:43] <Martin_Lundstrom> :)
[23:42:55] <A-L-P-H-A> bash is great.
[23:42:56] <A-L-P-H-A> <@qurve> * qurve stabs Yawatog in the eye
[23:42:56] <A-L-P-H-A> <Yawatog> .(
[23:43:11] <Martin_Lundstrom> trainspotting is bizare/fun
[23:43:36] <A-L-P-H-A> you know... I watched that when I was younger, I didn't get it... saw it again a few months ago... and it was whacked.
[23:43:43] <A-L-P-H-A> still not really my thing.
[23:45:11] <A-L-P-H-A> <Cotton Mouth> How do you describe the color blue to someone who is blind and has never seen a color before?
[23:45:12] <A-L-P-H-A> <NickBlasta> 0 0 255
[23:48:41] <A-L-P-H-A> <Gunth> before i was a teen i thought "Masturbate" was some kind of master or bachelor degree... so when my teachers asked me what i wanted to do with my life.. i told them "masturbate"
[23:55:13] <lerneaen_hydra> well, that was interesting
[23:55:24] <lerneaen_hydra> certainly more abstract than requiem for a dream
[23:55:57] <lerneaen_hydra> A-L-P-H-A: HAHAHAHA!
[23:55:59] <lerneaen_hydra> excelent!
[23:56:07] <lerneaen_hydra> oh, wait, that wasn't you
[23:56:09] <lerneaen_hydra> damn
[23:56:21] <A-L-P-H-A> LOL
[23:56:28] <A-L-P-H-A> you're such an idiot. :)
[23:56:37] <lerneaen_hydra> I should have read up a bit
[23:58:07] <lerneaen_hydra> so was I just dumb or wasn't there much symbolism?
[23:58:25] <A-L-P-H-A> ?
[23:58:26] <lerneaen_hydra> other than the descent into insanity bit
[23:59:03] <lerneaen_hydra> you know, like the <object> represents the change of <something>
[23:59:22] <lerneaen_hydra> where <object> is an object and <something> is abstract
[23:59:51] <lerneaen_hydra> say the ants for instance