#emc | Logs for 2006-11-24

[01:15:07] <Rugludallur> Night everyone
[03:53:42] <eejholmgrn> 'lo
[04:07:11] <eejholmgrn> eejholmgrn is now known as ejholmgren
[06:30:11] <ejholmgren> meep
[07:03:13] <LH_school> 'lo
[07:52:37] <LH_school> anyone home?
[07:52:56] <LH_school> logger_emc: bookmark
[07:52:55] <LH_school> Just this once .. here's the log: http://www.linuxcnc.org/irc/irc.freenode.net:6667/emc/2006-11-24.txt
[07:53:28] <LH_school> that log doesn't bode well for there being any activity... :/
[07:56:51] <alex_joni> LH_school: no activity
[07:57:31] <LH_school> ooh, alex is here
[07:58:04] <LH_school> at work?
[07:58:24] <alex_joni> nope.. just leaving
[07:58:32] <LH_school> night shift?
[07:58:39] <alex_joni> laters all (_if I can get a connection to the internet_)
[07:59:01] <LH_school> bye
[07:59:08] <LH_school> (morning) :p
[08:46:36] <LH_school> bbl
[09:25:29] <anonimasu> hi
[09:33:24] <Dallur> hey :D
[09:34:05] <anonimasu> whats up?
[09:44:08] <Jymmmm> my annoyance level
[09:51:47] <Jymmmm> It's not easy/simple to backup DVD's.
[09:56:15] <Dallur> Jymmmm: They don't want it to be easy :(
[09:56:34] <Dallur> Jymmmm: DRM will make it even worse
[09:59:06] <Jymmmm> Sad, aint it.
[09:59:47] <Jymmmm> You buy a plastic disc, it gets scratched, and you have to buy another one.
[10:00:29] <Jymmmm> http://www.sonystyle.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/en/-/USD/SY_DisplayProductInformation-Start?ProductSKU=DVPCX995V%2fKIT2&Dept=tvvideo&CategoryName=hav_DVD_DVDPlayers&DCMP=Google_HAV&HQS=sony_400_dvd
[10:00:44] <Jymmmm> I'm thinking that could be hacked easily enough for computer control
[10:01:30] <Dallur> Jymmmm: The worst part is that 99% of the price of the disk has nothing to do with the media so why should you have to re-purchase the right to the content if the media is dmged
[10:01:47] <Jymmmm> Yep
[10:02:08] <Jymmmm> You are paying for the license to the content, I should be able to backup my content.
[10:02:36] <anonimasu> hm
[10:02:37] <anonimasu> damn.
[10:02:40] <anonimasu> somethin gmessed up.
[10:02:45] <Dallur> It's like Autocad would require you to only run autocad from the official CD, and if your cd was dmged they would require you to buy a new one
[10:03:36] <Jymmmm> Image is licenses were like car keys... "Oh, you broke/lost your car key... that'll $25,000"
[10:03:42] <Jymmmm> Imagine
[10:04:43] <anonimasu> id rather not..
[10:05:23] <Jymmmm> This isn't a bad price.... http://www.walmart.com/catalog/product.do?product_id=4810681
[10:05:48] <anonimasu> Jymmmm: question, how often do you leave 25000$ cd's lying around?
[10:06:00] <Jymmmm> anonimasu All the time.
[10:06:08] <Jymmmm> that's the problem =)
[10:06:25] <anonimasu> well, that's stupid..
[10:06:25] <anonimasu> :)
[10:06:45] <Jymmmm> this is real life
[10:06:57] <Jymmmm> shit happens
[10:08:00] <anonimasu> Jymmmm: No, that's sloppy practice..
[10:08:18] <anonimasu> there's no excuse for it...
[10:08:41] <anonimasu> brb
[10:08:43] <anonimasu> lunch
[10:10:02] <paragon36> Morning Chaps... :-)
[10:11:27] <Dallur> moaning
[10:23:54] <paragon36> Just left a message on the ubuntu channel regarding issues with the MTU size of 1500 on the live CD ... No one has a clue .. lol It's not a problem as by decreasing it to 1492 gets things working OK. Still would be nice to know what the underlying issue is with the standard mtu size.
[10:28:42] <paragon36> Incase anyone has any problems here are the symptoms :- Can surf some site but not others ... when connecting to irc.freenode.net a connection is made but it then hangs. Running tcpdump will show output with 'oui unknown' ... Solution execute as root 'ifconfig eth0 mtu 1492' this is of course if your NIC card is on eth0 ;-) ... Thought I mention it here incase others experience these...
[10:28:43] <paragon36> ...symptons.
[10:31:02] <Dallur> paragon: do you have dsl with PPPoE ?
[10:33:07] <paragon36> No Im using cable via ntl ... with a wooping 10Mb .... gloat :-)
[10:33:49] <Dallur> paragon: ok, cause any tunneling can have that exact effect
[10:34:15] <paragon36> The issue does not arise on my fedora5 / solaris10 / solaris9 installs
[10:34:32] <anonimasu> lhm
[10:34:35] <Dallur> paragon: but don't they just silently set mtu to sub 1500 ?
[10:35:29] <anonimasu> paragon36: look at the kernel bugraq for your driver..
[10:35:45] <paragon36> Not sure about fedora5 but solaris may do but I would'nt bet my house on it ... I guess what I am saying is I don't no ;-)
[10:36:21] <anonimasu> * anonimasu yawns*
[10:39:52] <paragon36> I will anonimasu ... cheers ... It's not really an issue as it works fine set 1492 but it just took me a while to figure it out so I thought I'd mention incase others experience this issue. BTW what version is the live CD /etc/debian_vtersion shows it as testing/unstable
[10:42:18] <anonimasu> * anonimasu has no clue either
[10:43:13] <anonimasu> hm, I ran onto a weired issue..
[10:43:15] <anonimasu> where emc moves my 0
[10:48:22] <anonimasu> hm..
[10:48:23] <anonimasu> fsck..
[10:48:30] <anonimasu> some bloody modal gcode.. messed everything up
[15:02:00] <tomp> good morning all
[16:36:55] <simon__> Is there a simple way to run a Gcode file saved in inches on my machine that wants mm?
[16:37:26] <simon__> I guess it runs, but the part will be _very_ small!
[16:48:24] <jepler> simon__: yes, always specify the proper units at the top of the file
[16:48:44] <jepler> simon__: specify http://linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/gcode/main/#SECTION00380000000000000000
[16:50:00] <simon__> Thank you very much!
[16:50:19] <jepler> no problem
[17:28:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 'lo
[19:36:58] <eholmgren> lo
[19:37:03] <eholmgren> quiet in here today
[19:39:19] <eholmgren> does anyone on here run a vacuum type line near the tool tip to evacuate dust and shavings?
[19:40:04] <eholmgren> I'm only cutting pine, and I'm wondering if I can suck everything through the squirrel cage blower without ill effects
[19:52:26] <eholmgren> lo
[20:10:26] <mikejradz> I have been having a hard time switching to the Live CD version of EMC. I am in front of my machine and have put a scope on the Parallel port pins and do not see a signal.
[20:10:57] <mikejradz> I am thinking that maybe I have the wrong port address.
[20:10:57] <jmkasunich> you are running the dapper/EMC live CD?
[20:11:16] <mikejradz> No. the umbuko spelling?
[20:11:36] <jmkasunich> sorry, dapper is a specific version of ubuntu
[20:11:53] <mikejradz> I think I have 6.06
[20:12:02] <jmkasunich> thats dapper
[20:12:27] <mikejradz> Yes 6.06 dapper is what I am running
[20:12:54] <jmkasunich> have you seen item 4 on this page: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?TroubleShooting
[20:12:58] <mikejradz> I had this machine running an old version of EMC not EMC2
[20:13:50] <mikejradz> Let me go look to see if that helps instead of imposing on someone. Thanks
[20:14:05] <jmkasunich> ok, I'll be around for a while if you need more help
[20:19:51] <skunkworks> jmkasunich: those big servos have 8 brushes - not 6 :)
[20:20:00] <jmkasunich> ;-)
[20:20:05] <skunkworks> I have to learn how to count
[20:21:43] <Jymmmm> Anyone remember the paint can cnc thing videos?
[20:22:33] <Jymmmm> found it.... http://www.hektor.ch/
[20:25:15] <eholmgren> I remember seeing that
[20:25:20] <eholmgren> pretty cool stuff
[20:26:07] <jmkasunich> I saw that before, but it was much less impressive last time
[20:26:14] <jmkasunich> they've improved it
[20:26:42] <mikejradz> jmkasunich: item 4 sounds like the situation. I added and restarted and still movement.
[20:26:58] <eholmgren> the cmyk halftone one is neat
[20:27:05] <eholmgren> palmtrees sunset etc
[20:27:14] <mikejradz> I mean still no movement.
[20:27:37] <jmkasunich> well, if you added and it didn't work, then thats probably _not_ the situation
[20:27:57] <mikejradz> Should I leave it in anyway?
[20:28:07] <jmkasunich> I think it does no harm
[20:28:19] <mikejradz> them it stays.
[20:29:14] <jmkasunich> well, lets see what we can figure out
[20:29:19] <jmkasunich> what configuration are you using?
[20:29:29] <jmkasunich> (did you copy one of the emc2 examples?)
[20:29:57] <mikejradz> Yes. the stepper-xyza
[20:30:23] <jmkasunich> ok, and you already copied it do your own directory so you can edit it, right?
[20:30:34] <mikejradz> Yes.
[20:31:28] <jmkasunich> you're talking to me from the emc computer, right?
[20:31:42] <mikejradz> No. From my laptop.
[20:31:49] <jmkasunich> oh
[20:31:55] <jmkasunich> is the emc machine connected to the internet?
[20:31:56] <mikejradz> But I am in front of the EMC
[20:32:13] <mikejradz> No. the emc machine is not connected to the internet
[20:32:18] <jmkasunich> bummer
[20:32:32] <jmkasunich> that means you can't paste things to the web for us to look at
[20:32:53] <mikejradz> Yes I see that as a problem.
[20:33:47] <mikejradz> Does the Live CD automatically set that up if hardwired to a internet hub.
[20:34:00] <anonimasu> if your router/whatever supports dhcp
[20:34:14] <anonimasu> and you have a supported network card, Yes
[20:34:16] <anonimasu> :)
[20:34:48] <jmkasunich> if its convenient to hook it to the network, please do... if not, we can troubleshoot without it, its just a little less convenient\
[20:34:50] <mikejradz> For now the answer is no. I can in time allow for that.
[20:35:06] <jmkasunich> ok
[20:35:36] <jmkasunich> you added the "probe_parport" line to "standard_pinout.hal"? or somewhere else?
[20:36:34] <mikejradz> to the standard pinout hal file above the line loadrt hal_parport cfg="0x0378"
[20:36:46] <jmkasunich> ok, that was the right place
[20:36:54] <jmkasunich> so the problem must be something else
[20:37:09] <jmkasunich> did your old emc config use port 0x0378? or some other port?
[20:38:10] <mikejradz> I loaded the new software over the old so I cannot easily look at that. Although I did cpy the configs to a floppy prior.
[20:39:18] <mikejradz> Just looked left the floppy at home. Bummer.
[20:39:42] <jmkasunich> ok, we'll wing it
[20:39:48] <jmkasunich> open two shells on the emc computer
[20:40:16] <mikejradz> done it
[20:40:27] <jmkasunich> in one of them, type "sudo dmesg -c"
[20:40:41] <jmkasunich> that will clear the kernel log, so we can see messages without getting confused by old stuff
[20:40:51] <jmkasunich> it will ask you for your password, just type it in
[20:41:07] <mikejradz> done
[20:41:52] <jmkasunich> ok, in that shell, try running EMC2 (if you've been running it from the command line before, just type "emc" and hit return
[20:42:09] <jmkasunich> I mean, if you've been running it from an icon before
[20:42:43] <mikejradz> OK it is running
[20:42:55] <jmkasunich> ok, now in the other shell, type "dmesg"
[20:43:12] <mikejradz> OK.
[20:43:29] <jmkasunich> you'll get a lot of stuff (this is where I'd have you paste it to the web so I could see it)
[20:43:41] <jmkasunich> part of it should look like thisL
[20:44:01] <jmkasunich> [671614.099701] MOTION: init_module() complete
[20:44:01] <jmkasunich> [671614.110449] STEPGEN: installed 4 step pulse generators
[20:44:01] <jmkasunich> [671614.119162] BLOCKS: installed 8 differentiators
[20:44:01] <jmkasunich> [671614.129362] SCOPE_RT: installed sample function
[20:44:01] <jmkasunich> [671614.165846] config string '0x0378'
[20:44:01] <jmkasunich> [671614.166051] PARPORT: installed driver for 1 ports
[20:44:13] <jmkasunich> the numbers will be completely different, ignore them
[20:44:27] <jmkasunich> does it say "parport: installed driver for 1 ports" ?
[20:44:44] <mikejradz> Yes.
[20:44:57] <jmkasunich> and the line before says 0x0378?
[20:45:08] <mikejradz> detected io_lo=378
[20:45:24] <jmkasunich> hmm, maybe thats coming from probe_parport
[20:46:16] <jmkasunich> ok, in the 2nd shell, type "halcmd show thread"
[20:46:17] <mikejradz> parport: pnPBIOS parport detected, io_lo=378 io_hi=778
[20:46:34] <mikejradz> config string '0x0378'
[20:46:45] <jmkasunich> that sounds like the output from probe_parport - so it _is_ finding your port
[20:46:49] <mikejradz> PARPORT: installed driver for 1 ports
[20:46:56] <jmkasunich> good
[20:47:47] <mikejradz> I did the show thread.
[20:48:03] <jmkasunich> is there a line in there with "parport" in it?
[20:48:51] <mikejradz> Yes: Base thread parport.0.read and parport.0.write
[20:49:06] <jmkasunich> ok, that eliminates another possible cause
[20:49:10] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich scratches his head
[20:49:37] <mikejradz> I use to do that so much I lost my hair
[20:49:57] <jmkasunich> I'm getting there
[20:50:09] <jmkasunich> ok, try "halcmd show pin parport"
[20:50:16] <mikejradz> Stop scratching now, trust me on this!
[20:51:40] <alex_joni> 'lo
[20:51:39] <jmkasunich> the output from show pin parport should look like this; http://pastebin.ca/256951
[20:52:17] <jmkasunich> see the arrows on lines 5 thru 11? you should have similar arrows
[20:53:16] <alex_joni> here's a wild thought.. did you start HAL?
[20:53:24] <jmkasunich> he's running emc2
[20:53:36] <alex_joni> oh, ok
[20:53:49] <alex_joni> thought it's Jerry Mitchel from the list
[20:53:59] <jmkasunich> nothing is coming out of the parallel port
[20:54:09] <jmkasunich> we already added probe_parport to the hal file
[20:54:19] <mikejradz> My show pins matches what you pasted exactly. although isnt the lack of an Astep reason for concern?
[20:54:50] <jmkasunich> that is odd... but not the cause of the current problem
[20:54:55] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes back to sleep
[20:55:02] <alex_joni> night all
[20:55:07] <jmkasunich> I bet alex_joni caused that problem!
[20:55:32] <jmkasunich> whoever added the spindle on bit probably added it to the same pin that was being used for Astep
[20:55:32] <mikejradz> is alex on a differnt time zone
[20:55:38] <jmkasunich> it will need moved, but that can wait
[20:55:44] <jmkasunich> yes, he's in Romania
[20:55:55] <mikejradz> Wow that is very far away.
[20:56:03] <jmkasunich> although its not very late there, he's usually up much later
[20:56:21] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: right.. but it's been a looong week
[20:56:22] <mikejradz> So he is a night owl
[20:56:38] <jmkasunich> its 10pm or so there, right alex?
[20:56:39] <alex_joni> and my network connection here is only causing frustration
[20:56:41] <eholmgren> hoooooo hoooooo
[20:56:44] <alex_joni> 11pm
[20:56:52] <jmkasunich> ok, go to bed ;-)
[20:56:57] <alex_joni> quite early for me
[20:57:11] <alex_joni> maybe I'll be around later :)
[20:57:31] <alex_joni> bbl
[20:58:07] <jmkasunich> do the true and false values of your shpw pin command match the one I posted?
[20:58:35] <jmkasunich> pins 1-9 are false, 10-in is true, 10-in-not is false, etc
[20:59:10] <mikejradz> Yes they match.
[20:59:54] <jmkasunich> do you have your drives hooked up, or are you just observing the port with a meter or scope?
[21:00:18] <mikejradz> Currently they are hooked up.
[21:00:59] <jmkasunich> do you have the ability to observe any output pins with a meter? (I dunno what your wiring is like)
[21:02:31] <jmkasunich> do you have limit switches or home switches? or any other way to change the state of an input pin? (for example, jumper pin 10 to ground)
[21:02:41] <mikejradz> I have an osscilloscope.
[21:03:06] <jmkasunich> ok, hook the scope to parport pin 1, if you can
[21:03:56] <jmkasunich> and set it to auto-trigger - we're basically looking at DC voltages right now
[21:04:11] <mikejradz> I reads +5v
[21:04:42] <jmkasunich> even though hal show pin parport says pin 1 is FALSE...
[21:05:00] <jmkasunich> ok, try this "halcmd setp parport.0.pin-01-out TRUE"
[21:05:11] <jmkasunich> see if anything happens on the scope
[21:05:35] <jmkasunich> and do halcmd show pin parport again, pin 1 should now show TRUE
[21:07:54] <mikejradz> Error returned "parameter parport.0.pin-01-out not found
[21:08:34] <mikejradz> Maybe I typed it in wrong.
[21:08:44] <jmkasunich> oops, my fault - I had you use a command that isn't in version 2.0
[21:08:51] <jmkasunich> theres a workaround
[21:09:07] <jmkasunich> "halcmd newsig test bit"
[21:09:22] <jmkasunich> "halcmd linksp test parport.0.pin-01-out"
[21:09:35] <jmkasunich> "halcmd sets test 1"
[21:09:51] <jmkasunich> that should do the same thing as my original setp command
[21:10:20] <jmkasunich> and when you do "halcmd show pin parport", you should see "<== test" next to pin 01
[21:11:17] <mikejradz> Yes. it shows TRUE and has <==test labeling it.
[21:11:26] <jmkasunich> if you can do "halcmd sets test 0" and "halcmd sets test 1" and see the resulting change when you do "halcmd show pin parport", then the HAL stuff is working correctly
[21:12:12] <jmkasunich> and the problem is either the parport hardware, or we have the wrong port address (the 0x0378) or some kind of permissions thing where linux isn't letting the driver access the hardware
[21:13:20] <mikejradz> Since we changed the state of a pin the port address should be correct. Right?
[21:13:56] <jmkasunich> we changed the state of the pin that connects the driver to the rest of EMC (thats a software pin)
[21:14:05] <jmkasunich> did the hardware pin change state?
[21:14:19] <jmkasunich> (oscilliscope on pin 1)?
[21:14:38] <mikejradz> No. It still shows +5v.
[21:14:51] <mikejradz> Sounds like hardware
[21:14:54] <jmkasunich> that means we have a driver or hardware problem
[21:15:00] <jmkasunich> a few more things to check
[21:15:08] <jmkasunich> "cat /proc/ioports"
[21:15:22] <jmkasunich> that should give you a long list, but if you scroll back in it, you should seeL
[21:15:30] <jmkasunich> 0376-0376 : ide1
[21:15:31] <jmkasunich> 0378-037b : hal_parport
[21:15:31] <jmkasunich> 03c0-03df : vga+
[21:15:48] <jmkasunich> the ide1 and vga+ lines are irrelevant, but there should be that hal_parport line
[21:15:52] <jmkasunich> is it there?
[21:16:25] <mikejradz> Yes. 0378-037b : hal_parport
[21:16:44] <jmkasunich> ok, that means Linux is allowing the driver to access those I/O addresses
[21:16:56] <jmkasunich> is the parport on the motherboard, or on a plug in card?
[21:18:25] <mikejradz> Silly me. Looks like there are two parrallel ports. One on the motherboard and one card based. I may have plugged the cable into the wrong port.
[21:18:43] <mikejradz> Let me try the motherboard port.
[21:19:13] <mikejradz> This may take a moment. I will properly kick myself in the head if that was the cause.
[21:27:32] <mikejradz> Initial response is still no movement.
[21:29:06] <jmkasunich> can you put the scope on pin 1 and see if the voltage changes when you do "halcmd sets test 1" and "halcmd sets test 0" ?
[21:30:34] <LawrenceG> suggest pulling second parallel port as it could be at the same address and at least messing up on the reads
[21:30:49] <jmkasunich> thats a possiblity
[21:31:37] <jmkasunich> if/when you reboot, go into the BIOS screens and see if that tells you what address the motherboard parport uses
[21:31:43] <mikejradz> Let me pull the card and restart.
[21:32:02] <jmkasunich> sometimes you can change the address in the BIOS, or even disable the port completely
[21:52:33] <Jymmmm> Lerneaen_Hydra You're gonna kill me... http://officemax.shoplocal.com/officemax/Default.aspx?action=browsepagedetail&storeid=2420260&rapid=339939&pagenumber=1&listingid=-2094068683
[21:52:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra dies
[21:53:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> dude, you guys are so spoiled!
[21:53:15] <Jymmmm> Lerneaen_Hydra: Who woulda known they would pull that.
[21:53:41] <Jymmmm> Lerneaen_Hydra They have three different 1GB usb sticks on sale
[21:54:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra wants to buy stuff with US prices
[21:55:49] <Jymmmm> Lerneaen_Hydra I went to buy 2 more of the toshiba's and they were out of stock so they let me have the blakc sandisk for the same price, (on sale right now for $40) but they wouldn't fit my laptop. Just took them back and they had these on sale, they fit better than the toshiba one and are almost all metal. The keychain loop at the end is translucent and is wher the LED shines thru.
[21:56:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Yeah I have one of those too, though I paid a fair bit more
[21:56:47] <Jymmmm> Lerneaen_Hydra Yeah, they are usually higher here too. But Black Friday and all.
[21:56:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra> iirc 600sek -> $60, and that's quite cheap here, at least for 1gb
[21:56:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> black friday?
[21:57:16] <jmkasunich> day after thanksgiving - all the christmas shopping starts
[21:57:26] <jmkasunich> stores are a madhouse - sane people stay home
[21:58:07] <Jymmmm> Lerneaen_Hydra what jmkasunich said. but usually obscene sale prices to get you in theri stores, most open up at 5am on Black Friday too
[21:58:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, sounds nasty
[21:58:39] <Jymmmm> Lerneaen_Hydra almost as bad as buying a PS3
[21:58:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> O_o dude, that bad?
[21:58:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> really nasty
[21:59:03] <jmkasunich> there is a local computer store with 1G sticks for $15.99 - without any annoying rebates - they
[21:59:14] <jmkasunich> they've been at that price for a couple of weeks
[21:59:25] <Jymmmm> You have to be REALLY careful at the malls during xmas... you can get mugged, car jack, etc.
[21:59:51] <Jymmmm> and muggings are RARE in Calif, except at xmas time.
[22:00:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra> do they go for cash or credit cards?
[22:00:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra> or hardware?
[22:00:26] <Jymmmm> They follow someone with shitloads of packages to their car and take everything
[22:00:59] <Jymmmm> usually merchandise, and maybe a purse
[22:01:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok
[22:01:39] <Jymmmm> Personally, I haven't been in a mall in years. parking is always a PITA
[22:02:27] <Jymmmm> I like this new micro usb I just got. I wonder if I can return the Toshiba one! LOL
[22:02:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, right, tram and bus systems are really shitty in the US, that's kind of sucky, though with a low urban population it's hard to make it work
[22:02:33] <Lerneaen_Hydra> HAHA
[22:02:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> btw, what would you define a standard sized city to be? 2 million?
[22:03:04] <Jymmmm> I'll probably keep the toshiba, it has a blue LED and plastic case.
[22:03:15] <Jymmmm> Lerneaen_Hydra oh hell no.... San Jose Ca is 1,000,000
[22:03:25] <Jymmmm> avg I'd suspect is 75K
[22:03:41] <Jymmmm> San Jose is #3 or #9 on the list iirc
[22:04:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, not inner city population as much as metropolitan population
[22:04:56] <Jymmmm> Ah, no clue
[22:05:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok
[22:06:12] <mikejradz> Jmkasunich: You have given me alot of good informational tools. I need to carefully check out my hardware. Thank you!
[22:06:21] <jmkasunich> ok, good luck
[22:06:48] <jmkasunich> you might want to post on the users list - I think there are other people (not me) who have had the same problem
[22:06:58] <jmkasunich> and they might have other suggestions
[22:07:36] <alex_joni> hi again
[22:07:45] <jmkasunich> hi
[22:08:01] <alex_joni> figured that parport out?
[22:08:04] <jmkasunich> nope
[22:08:28] <eholmgren> Jymmmm: where are you from?
[22:08:42] <mikejradz> alex_joni: it may be hardware. I need to do a carefull study.
[22:08:56] <alex_joni> ok
[22:09:38] <Jymmmm> eholmgren: Twilight Zone
[22:09:51] <eholmgren> they have office max there ;)
[22:09:54] <mikejradz> I have got to take off now. Thanks all!
[22:10:08] <Jymmmm> eholmgren: LOL, yep.... San Jose California
[22:10:19] <eholmgren> lucky you
[22:10:24] <eholmgren> I'm up in Minnesota
[22:10:34] <eholmgren> also known as the land of frozen hell
[22:10:50] <eholmgren> although I'm kind of beginning to dig this global warming thing ...
[22:11:03] <eholmgren> winters aren't nearly as horrible anymore
[22:13:20] <Jymmmm> eholmgren: So, then I probably shouldn't tell you that when I went to OfficeMAx I was wearing tshirt, shorts, and snadles?
[22:13:31] <Jymmmm> sandles
[22:13:36] <eholmgren> no
[22:13:53] <eholmgren> still decent here ... 50F during the day
[22:13:57] <Jymmmm> ok, then I won't tell you that.
[22:14:01] <eholmgren> but that's abnormally warm
[22:14:22] <eholmgren> I don't have to wear my Carhart suit yet ;)
[22:14:50] <eholmgren> when I used to have to park on the street, I did think about just wearing that to work while I drove in the car
[22:16:25] <Jymmmm> Yeah, I've seen the movie "Fargo" screw that crap!
[22:16:55] <Jymmmm> If I want cold, I'll hit Tahoe or Reno
[22:17:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 'night folks
[22:17:13] <Jymmmm> nite
[22:20:00] <Rugludallur> cradek: you there by any chance ?
[22:21:57] <Rugludallur> cradek: if you read the logs i finished implementing dxf import for dxf to g-code conversion -> http://imagebin.org/6640
[22:22:41] <Rugludallur> cradek: now to convert it to g-code (using your lisp converter as a template)
[22:41:20] <alex_joni> night all
[22:41:30] <jmkasunich> night alex
[22:43:10] <Rugludallur> night alex
[22:54:41] <cradek> Rugludallur: cool! what language? I assume it is GPL?
[22:55:43] <Rugludallur> cradek: python gpl :D
[22:56:23] <cradek> slick
[22:56:47] <Rugludallur> cradek: added 3d rendering with a rotating camera since I got it for free :D
[22:56:49] <cradek> where can I link to it from my REALIZE page?
[22:57:05] <Rugludallur> cradek: still working, will keep you all posted when it is finished :D
[22:57:10] <cradek> great, thanks
[22:58:48] <jmkasunich> cradek: hi
[22:58:58] <jmkasunich> enjoying the day after thanksgiving?
[22:59:47] <cradek> I'm glad to be home for the day! I got suckered into buying tires (which I sorely needed) today because they were on special
[23:00:06] <jmkasunich> you went shopping on black friday?
[23:00:10] <jmkasunich> you're nutz
[23:00:13] <cradek> I do NOT shop
[23:00:18] <jmkasunich> lol
[23:00:28] <cradek> however, I occasionally go to a store to buy something I need.
[23:00:40] <cradek> I despise shopping :-)
[23:00:43] <jmkasunich> s/went shopping/set foot in a retail establishment/
[23:00:47] <cradek> haha
[23:00:51] <ChrisSmol> more of a seek and destroy mission?
[23:01:10] <cradek> it wasn't bad at all, there was a local football game going, which occupies most of the mouth-breathers
[23:01:21] <cradek> oops, did I say that out loud?
[23:01:25] <jmkasunich> yes, you did
[23:01:39] <cradek> inside thought!!
[23:01:42] <cradek> anyway
[23:01:45] <cradek> yes, enjoying the day I guess
[23:01:47] <jmkasunich> don't worry, the local mouth breathers aren't on IRC
[23:01:54] <jmkasunich> I need some sysadmin help ;-)
[23:02:04] <jmkasunich> whats worse, its win95 sysadmin....
[23:02:07] <cradek> ooh
[23:02:16] <cradek> win95 is so old I actually know it fairly well
[23:02:18] <jmkasunich> doing an install on a VM
[23:02:37] <jmkasunich> trying to remember how you tell it to install the kind of networking that linux takes for granted
[23:02:50] <jmkasunich> and _not_ install the weird windows stuff
[23:03:42] <cradek> you want the card driver, tcpip, ms lan client only
[23:03:49] <Rugludallur> -netbios/nebeui + tcpip
[23:03:55] <cradek> right
[23:04:11] <jmkasunich> ok, I guess the +tcp -netbui and such
[23:04:17] <Rugludallur> -ipx
[23:04:26] <cradek> yes just tcpip and ms lan client
[23:04:30] <jmkasunich> dunno what to use for a card driver with vmware
[23:04:37] <cradek> try generic ne2000
[23:05:53] <jmkasunich> under adapters, it lists (detected net drivers) as the first "manufacturer"
[23:06:23] <jmkasunich> and it seems to have detected "Existing Ndis2 driver" and "Existing ODI driver"
[23:06:47] <cradek> I doubt either of those is right
[23:07:11] <cradek> hmm my win2000 vm shows "VMware Accelerated AMD PCNet Adapter" as the card
[23:07:18] <cradek> so I must have installed their drivers
[23:07:23] <cradek> can you do that?
[23:07:35] <Rugludallur> the vmware tools install should install their drivers
[23:07:41] <Rugludallur> by mounting a removable virtual drive
[23:07:58] <Rugludallur> if you selected the client virtual machine type correctly
[23:08:00] <cradek> VM / Install vmware tools
[23:08:11] <jmkasunich> I can install "AMD AM2100.AM1500t and compatibles"
[23:08:30] <jmkasunich> I will be installing vmware tools, but that comes after the initial install
[23:08:40] <jmkasunich> maybe I should just skip networking for now
[23:08:48] <Rugludallur> That's what I would do
[23:09:15] <cradek> yeah, it's easy to add later
[23:11:14] <jmkasunich> thats what I'm gonna do
[23:11:46] <jmkasunich> heh, its funny to read the various screens that pop up while its installing
[23:11:59] <jmkasunich> they talk about win95 as if its a new and exciting thing
[23:12:09] <cradek> it was!
[23:12:18] <cradek> remember the lines on release day?
[23:12:42] <jmkasunich> I wasn't an early adopter
[23:12:58] <cradek> same here (I was using linux at the time)
[23:13:21] <cradek> but I think win95 was a good product
[23:13:37] <jmkasunich> copying from CD (and floppy) goes much faster when they are actually images on hard disk ;-)
[23:13:46] <cradek> yeah it's nice
[23:13:46] <jmkasunich> I like(d) win95 too
[23:14:07] <jmkasunich> in fact its the only windows that I continue to use (although very rarely)
[23:14:16] <jmkasunich> I have win2K on my box at work
[23:14:17] <cradek> the built-in networking was such a jump over windows 3.1
[23:14:48] <jmkasunich> ohhh, should I take advantage of the wonderfull online registration?
[23:15:17] <skunkworks> win 95 had online registration? don't remember that :)
[23:15:23] <cradek> hmm, let me think, nahhhh
[23:16:06] <jmkasunich> something tells me it would 404
[23:16:17] <cradek> I hope my 168-mph rated tires are good enough for all my high-speed driving
[23:16:32] <jmkasunich> not gonna test that theory tho, it might be a direct line to the M$ software cops
[23:16:45] <cradek> yeah, who knows what the license says
[23:17:03] <skunkworks> we still have 2 win95 machines running at work. I had written some scale software for them and I am going to have to goof around with it as windows 2000 sees it as a mouse ;)
[23:17:36] <jmkasunich> I just remembered an annoyance thats gonna bite me for this install
[23:17:51] <jmkasunich> I need a browser that works with win95
[23:18:27] <skunkworks> oh - was Ie 5 the last that was supported on 95?
[23:18:40] <jmkasunich> I don't recall what was last
[23:18:44] <cradek> http://endeavor.med.nyu.edu/download/win95/cc32e47.exe
[23:18:52] <cradek> ^^ netscape communicator 4.7
[23:19:07] <Rugludallur> jmkasunich: http://johnhaller.com/jh/mozilla/windows_95/
[23:19:19] <skunkworks> Btw - I am thankful for emc2 this thanks giving - thanks for all your hard work.
[23:19:20] <cradek> it would be better to not run a browser at all if you can manage it
[23:19:41] <cradek> skunkworks: we appreciate that, thanks
[23:20:15] <jmkasunich> skunkworks: thank you, for your patience, and your help along the way
[23:20:42] <jmkasunich> cradek: need to browse to the easycad site to download it
[23:20:45] <skunkworks> I think you guys are the ones with the patience. :)
[23:21:34] <jmkasunich> I actually already have the easycad as a file on my linux disk
[23:21:42] <jmkasunich> but I have no clue how to get that into the doze vm
[23:22:00] <cradek> you could make an iso and map it as a CD, or use networking
[23:22:03] <Jymmmm> jmkasunich samba?
[23:23:07] <cradek> I always set up networking so H: is my unix home directory
[23:23:19] <cradek> too hard to get data in and out otherwise
[23:24:05] <jmkasunich> well if you are willing to walk me thru that it sounds like a great idea
[23:24:22] <jmkasunich> I've never done any windows shares, or unix NFS stuff
[23:24:34] <jmkasunich> for linux to linux I use scp when needed
[23:24:41] <cradek> first share it in unix: easiest is to find your home dir in the file manager and right click
[23:25:05] <cradek> in there "share folder"
[23:25:27] <cradek> share with: SMB
[23:25:31] <jmkasunich> I'm installing vmware tools right now - hopefully that will handle the physical layer of the network at least
[23:25:52] <jmkasunich> oh, I can do the nix part
[23:27:28] <jmkasunich> SMB is not one of the choices
[23:27:34] <jmkasunich> do not share, and NFS
[23:27:38] <cradek> 17:25:51 < jmkasunic> oh, I can do the nix part
[23:28:02] <jmkasunich> oh, I can do the nix part while I'm waiting for the doze tools install to finish
[23:28:08] <cradek> (sorry)
[23:28:11] <cradek> oh!
[23:28:13] <cradek> never mind
[23:28:22] <jmkasunich> as in "the machine isnt' tied up", not as in "i know what I'm doing" ;-)
[23:28:27] <cradek> mine has smb - maybe you have to install packages
[23:28:43] <cradek> try just apt-get install samba
[23:32:06] <cradek> set your password with smbpasswd (just make it match your unix password)
[23:32:23] <cradek> that's the whole unix side
[23:32:35] <jmkasunich> packages downloading
[23:37:22] <jmkasunich> Could not connect to machine NT_STATUS_LOGON_FAILURE
[23:37:29] <jmkasunich> (result from smbpasswd)
[23:38:17] <cradek> hmm
[23:38:28] <cradek> sudo /etc/init.d/samba start
[23:38:56] <jmkasunich> same error
[23:39:19] <jmkasunich> it asks for an old samba password, and I've been just hitting return
[23:39:49] <Rugludallur> sudo smbpassd yourusername
[23:39:54] <cradek> try sudo smbpasswd -U your_user
[23:40:23] <jmkasunich> success
[23:40:49] <cradek> ok in a shell in windows try net view \\yourhostname
[23:42:23] <cradek> oh you didn't share it yet, don't forget that (just use your username as the share name)
[23:43:04] <jmkasunich> ok, I'm in the dialog that sets up sharing
[23:43:10] <jmkasunich> SMB was available this time
[23:43:15] <cradek> good
[23:43:21] <jmkasunich> it wants a name for "share properties"
[23:43:33] <cradek> put your username there
[23:43:43] <cradek> (which should be the same as the dir's name)
[23:43:46] <jmkasunich> it is
[23:43:51] <cradek> turn on 'allow browsing'
[23:43:56] <jmkasunich> under comment I put "home directory"
[23:44:17] <jmkasunich> ok
[23:44:29] <jmkasunich> do I need to set "General Windows sharing settings"
[23:44:32] <cradek> nah
[23:44:45] <cradek> I think you're done on the unix side now
[23:44:49] <jmkasunich> ok
[23:45:00] <cradek> when win95 boots does it ask you to login?
[23:45:13] <cradek> I think it starts doing that when you install the ms lan client in control panel/networking
[23:45:14] <jmkasunich> yes
[23:45:16] <Jymmmm> just hit escape
[23:45:26] <Jymmmm> or just hit enter and it'll never aks again
[23:45:32] <cradek> no, don't hit escape, use a name and password that match unix
[23:45:39] <jmkasunich> I have no problem with logging in
[23:45:41] <cradek> then your shares will map easily
[23:45:43] <jmkasunich> I did that
[23:45:50] <cradek> ok good
[23:45:59] <cradek> in a shell now try net view \\yourmachinename
[23:46:10] <Jymmmm> cradek: W95 uses plain text, is his samba setup w/o encryption?
[23:46:17] <cradek> good question
[23:46:30] <cradek> I think it may work either way, but I'm not sure
[23:46:45] <jmkasunich> \\yourmachine name is the linux box's name?
[23:46:50] <cradek> yes
[23:46:55] <jmkasunich> how is win95 gonna know its name?
[23:47:18] <cradek> it may not - does it not work?
[23:47:25] <jmkasunich> never mind, it works
[23:47:30] <cradek> 'magic'
[23:47:31] <Jymmmm> jmkasunich samba acts like a WINS server
[23:47:38] <cradek> do you see your share?
[23:47:43] <jmkasunich> I was surprised because I don't have any kind of nameserving on my network
[23:48:04] <jmkasunich> jmkasunich Disk home directory
[23:48:09] <cradek> net use h: \\yourmachine\jmkasunich /persistent:yes
[23:48:36] <cradek> do you have a printer installed in unix?
[23:48:45] <cradek> if so you can map that too
[23:49:03] <jmkasunich> my printer is a networked thing
[23:49:12] <cradek> but unix knows how to print to it, right?
[23:49:12] <jmkasunich> so doze should be able to access it directly
[23:49:19] <cradek> oh ok
[23:49:30] <cradek> does h: work?
[23:49:42] <jmkasunich> the use command complained about persistent:yes
[23:49:51] <cradek> arg
[23:50:03] <cradek> maybe it's changed since then
[23:50:12] <cradek> you could try the gui, it might have a checkbox for persistent
[23:50:12] <jmkasunich> reading the help for net use
[23:50:49] <cradek> rightclick on your my computer (haha) 'map network drive'
[23:51:40] <jmkasunich> worked
[23:51:54] <cradek> enjoy!
[23:51:54] <jmkasunich> I assume the "reconnect at login" checkbox is GUI for persistent
[23:52:01] <cradek> yes
[23:52:32] <jmkasunich> slick - so I should be able to install easycad using the file I already downloaded
[23:52:38] <jmkasunich> _after_ I eat dinner
[23:52:41] <jmkasunich> thanks for the help
[23:52:43] <cradek> yeah and you can get files in and out easily
[23:52:45] <cradek> welcome
[23:52:54] <cradek> dinner just beeped here too
[23:53:14] <jmkasunich> enjoy