#emc | Logs for 2006-10-28

[01:06:05] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/scripts/ (emc-environment.in emc.in): provide EMC2_HOME and EMC2VERSION from emc and emc-environment scripts
[01:06:48] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/nc_files/holecircle.py: Example useful python g-code generating script, which can be loaded directly in the AXIS GUI or run manually to generate the code to a file. Drills holes in a circular pattern.
[01:19:00] <cradek> that is really slick.
[01:19:11] <cradek> I hope people will build on that idea.
[01:32:54] <SWPadnos> that is cool
[01:33:07] <SWPadnos> whatever happened to cp1 (or 2 or 8 or whatever it was up to)?
[01:33:16] <SWPadnos> is that still in emc1
[01:33:18] <SWPadnos> ?
[01:33:32] <cradek> I have never actually seen that
[01:33:41] <SWPadnos> oh. it's almost a CAM app
[01:33:57] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/nc_files/holecircle.py: user interaction improvements
[01:34:20] <SWPadnos> there are a bunch of pattern/objects you can create, like rectangles, circles, etc
[01:34:23] <jepler> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Cp1
[01:34:28] <SWPadnos> I only played with it a little bit
[01:34:35] <jepler> 404'd
[01:34:52] <SWPadnos> rhere's no dropbox directory any more
[01:34:55] <SWPadnos> there
[01:34:57] <SWPadnos> one sec
[01:38:15] <cradek> Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.
[01:38:26] <SWPadnos> bummer - it looks like the old linuxcnc.org stuff isn't available any more
[01:38:38] <SWPadnos> Steve had it on metalworking.net, but that's changed recently ;)
[01:39:24] <cradek> I hope it's not lost
[01:39:52] <SWPadnos> no - steves_logging still should have it somewhere
[01:42:13] <SWPadnos> I thought everything from the dropbox was moved over to DH, but I don't see it
[02:11:24] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
[02:11:40] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[03:11:06] <A-L-P-H-A> hey boys
[03:18:58] <A-L-P-H-A> hey jmkasunich.
[03:19:12] <jmkasunich> hi
[13:36:12] <anonimasu> err 8 x 10
[13:36:22] <anonimasu> 8 mm endmill 100Â% stepover..
[13:36:30] <anonimasu> and 10mm deep..
[13:37:51] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok
[13:38:09] <alex_joni> hi all
[13:38:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra> your characters seem to mess up every now and then
[13:38:13] <anonimasu> I wish it was on the cnc so I could go away to pee. ^_Ä^
[13:38:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hi alex
[13:38:21] <anonimasu> yeah it's weird
[13:38:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> they mess up for you too?
[13:38:33] <anonimasu> yeah
[13:38:36] <alex_joni> hi LH, what's cookin?
[13:38:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh
[13:38:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> O.o
[13:38:40] <anonimasu> it's then I hit crl+something
[13:38:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: my electric bike
[13:38:53] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: doing the layout
[13:38:56] <anonimasu> dragons are cooking
[13:39:00] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is tired
[13:39:05] <anonimasu> alex_joni: howcome?
[13:39:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> of the box with batteries, motor, and middle stage transmission
[13:39:12] <anonimasu> girl?
[13:39:23] <alex_joni> did some painting till now
[13:40:29] <anonimasu> ah ok
[13:45:08] <justin__> justin__ is now known as Twingy
[14:08:07] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/share/axis/tcl/axis.tcl: by looking at whether HAL pins are connected for spindle and lube functionality, remove buttons which have no function from the GUI
[14:08:07] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/halmodule.cc: by looking at whether HAL pins are connected for spindle and lube functionality, remove buttons which have no function from the GUI
[14:08:07] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py: by looking at whether HAL pins are connected for spindle and lube functionality, remove buttons which have no function from the GUI
[14:09:10] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/src/gui/axis.lyx: revise the axisrc example since suseless spindle buttons are now removed by default
[14:11:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> jepler: ooh, good idea
[14:22:55] <cradek> yes this will clean up useless stuff for a lot of people
[14:23:54] <jepler> unfortunately it means that if you start emc and then run halcmd to figure out how to hook up your spindle, the buttons won't appear in the GUI and you'll have no good way of testing
[14:24:13] <alex_joni> until next time
[14:24:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> maybe some "display all buttons" flag in the ini?
[14:24:26] <alex_joni> you run emc2 that is
[14:24:49] <Lerneaen_Hydra> except that the hal commands are forgotten between sessions
[14:25:21] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: not if you use halcmd save
[14:25:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ah, cool
[14:25:39] <alex_joni> halcmd save > file.hal
[14:25:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> does it get saved to a separate hal file, with a link in the main hal file?
[14:25:47] <alex_joni> then sort your mess out :)
[14:25:58] <alex_joni> no, all in one hal file
[14:26:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra> say you have some settings, and via halcmd you add support for something new, is there a link between the main file and the new one?
[14:26:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra> so it autoloads
[14:26:41] <jepler> use "halcmd save" once and you will understand what it does
[14:27:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> right-o
[14:27:39] <alex_joni> and if you don't.. use it again
[14:27:47] <jepler> http://pastebin.ca/226442
[14:27:53] <jepler> the online help is useful too, of course
[14:28:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> neato. so just add a link to load the new hal file in your main file and you're sorted
[14:31:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hmm
[14:31:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I'll be back tomorrow sometime
[14:31:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> bye all
[14:32:34] <cradek> bye
[15:14:50] <robin_sz> meep?
[15:15:43] <A-L-P-H-A> mop.
[15:23:21] <robin_sz> so ... maybe I have to build a CNC drill
[15:23:31] <A-L-P-H-A> and a CNC mill wouldn't work?
[15:23:47] <robin_sz> mmm ... its drilling holes in I section beam
[15:24:39] <A-L-P-H-A> ?? so like through the stem of the beam? or the flat parts?
[15:24:51] <robin_sz> flat bits
[15:25:05] <robin_sz> ie the top and bottom of the I
[15:26:18] <robin_sz> its 10mm thick, I need to drill 17mm holes
[15:26:22] <robin_sz> 2 of them
[15:26:33] <robin_sz> every 200mm
[15:26:38] <robin_sz> over a 6m length
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[19:30:50] <SWPadnos> heh
[19:32:42] <anonimasu> gah I need sugar.
[19:32:51] <SWPadnos> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cncworkshop/spiralarc.JPG
[19:32:55] <SWPadnos> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cncworkshop/spiralline.JPG
[19:33:02] <SWPadnos> look at those
[19:33:17] <SWPadnos> one with lines, the other with arcs. are you getting worse results?
[19:34:57] <SWPadnos> (even if you are, remember that those were done on a 10-ton mega-machining center - the Mazak)
[19:35:16] <anonimasu> they are smaller..
[19:35:42] <lerman> I went to another machine (this one already running emc1 on debian) and after installing pth-devel get:
[19:35:43] <lerman> checking for __sincos... no
[19:35:44] <lerman> checking for tcl... find: /usr/lib64: No such file or directory
[19:35:46] <lerman> /usr/lib/tcl8.4/tclConfig.sh found
[19:35:47] <lerman> checking for tk... /usr/lib/tk8.4/tkConfig.sh found
[19:35:49] <lerman> checking for BWidget using /usr/bin/tclsh8.4... configure: error: not found
[19:35:51] <lerman> -bash-2.05b$
[19:35:52] <lerman> Ideas???
[19:36:04] <anonimasu> but it still kills any chance of making a nice round hole
[19:36:19] <anonimasu> I wish I could say it's backslash, but im clueless..
[19:36:33] <alex_joni> lerman: bwidget
[19:36:39] <anonimasu> SWPadnos: is that the spiral program that comes with emc?
[19:36:52] <alex_joni> anonimasu: yes
[19:36:57] <anonimasu> let me try running it..
[19:37:15] <anonimasu> if it starts from the center..
[19:37:17] <anonimasu> that is..
[19:37:39] <robin_sz> hmm ... so, 4 rows of 8 racks .. 6m tall (2 rows of single sided racking, 2 rows of double sided racking) comes to 43 tonnes of steel
[19:38:15] <alex_joni> it starts from the outside
[19:45:13] <SWPadnos> are both versions of the spiral in cvs?
[19:45:20] <SWPadnos> I only remember one of them
[19:45:54] <alex_joni> I think so
[19:46:11] <SWPadnos> ok - arcspiral and spiral
[19:46:24] <lerman> Yup. Got past configure and made lots of stuff until:
[19:46:26] <lerman> Compiling realtime hal/hal_lib.c
[19:46:27] <lerman> In file included from hal/hal_lib.c:2274:
[19:46:29] <lerman> /usr/include/linux/proc_fs.h:97: error: parse error before "filldir_t"
[19:46:30] <lerman> /usr/include/linux/proc_fs.h:116: error: parse error before "filldir_t"
[19:46:32] <lerman> /usr/include/linux/proc_fs.h:244: error: field `vfs_inode' has incomplete type
[19:46:33] <lerman> /usr/include/linux/proc_fs.h: In function `PROC_I':
[19:46:35] <lerman> /usr/include/linux/proc_fs.h:249: error: parse error before "struct"
[19:46:36] <lerman> hal/hal_lib.c: At top level:
[19:46:38] <lerman> hal/hal_lib.c:2280: warning: `struct file' declared inside parameter list
[19:46:39] <lerman> hal/hal_lib.c: In function `hal_proc_init':
[19:46:41] <lerman> hal/hal_lib.c:2303: error: `S_IFDIR' undeclared (first use in this function)
[19:46:42] <lerman> hal/hal_lib.c:2303: error: (Each undeclared identifier is reported only once
[19:46:44] <lerman> hal/hal_lib.c:2303: error: for each function it appears in.)
[19:46:45] <lerman> hal/hal_lib.c:2309: warning: assignment from incompatible pointer type
[19:46:47] <lerman> make: *** [objects/rthal/hal_lib.o] Error 1
[19:46:48] <lerman> -bash-2.05b$
[19:46:50] <lerman> Ideas??????????????????????
[19:47:03] <SWPadnos> what kernel version?
[19:47:12] <anonimasu> running the spiral now
[19:47:30] <SWPadnos> ok anonimasu - did you see both arcspiral.ngc and spiral.ngc?
[19:47:35] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: arcspiral.ngc and spiral.ngc
[19:47:43] <SWPadnos> oh - thanks ;)
[19:47:52] <lerman> -bash-2.05b$ cat /proc/version
[19:47:54] <lerman> Linux version 2.4.25-adeos (root@Morphix) (gcc version 2.95.4 20011002 (Debian prerelease)) #1 Wed Mar 31 12:50:23 UTC 2004
[19:49:35] <anonimasu> no
[19:49:37] <anonimasu> just spiral
[19:50:16] <anonimasu> how deep does it machine?
[19:50:20] <anonimasu> 0.1" ?
[19:50:38] <jmkasunich> lerman: I'm trying to recall if we started using gcc 3 features
[19:50:48] <anonimasu> ouch deep.
[19:51:09] <SWPadnos> line 6 has g1Z-.1f24
[19:51:15] <SWPadnos> inch
[19:52:20] <anonimasu> hm..
[19:52:26] <anonimasu> arcspiralà is what im going to try..
[19:52:32] <anonimasu> need to change to a ball endmill first
[19:52:38] <anonimasu> or a smaller one..
[19:52:45] <anonimasu> * anonimasu has no idea how small he needs
[19:52:45] <SWPadnos> they both have lots of segments, just one uses arcs and the other lines
[19:52:58] <anonimasu> the arc one should be really smooth right?
[19:53:12] <SWPadnos> it looks that way to me, in the photos
[19:54:41] <SWPadnos> the spiral decreases by ~0.125" per pass, so a 3-5 mm ball end mill would probably be good
[19:55:26] <anonimasu> I have a 4mm one..
[19:55:28] <anonimasu> lets try it..
[19:55:45] <ALPHA-EMC> try try again.
[19:56:29] <SWPadnos> ok - be back later. time to do some sheetrock repairs
[19:56:59] <ALPHA-EMC> control your rage...
[19:57:06] <ALPHA-EMC> and you won't have to punch holes in the wall...
[19:57:12] <ALPHA-EMC> have you stopped beating your wife yet?
[19:58:21] <alex_joni> ALPHA-EMC: it's the other way around
[19:59:02] <ALPHA-EMC> fun stuff.
[19:59:27] <ALPHA-EMC> I need to write an application.
[19:59:32] <ALPHA-EMC> can't decide on what language to go use.
[19:59:42] <ALPHA-EMC> it will be interfacing with a mysql DB... so that's important.
[19:59:54] <ALPHA-EMC> I'm honestly thinking right now. delphi.
[20:00:06] <ALPHA-EMC> maybe C#
[20:00:10] <ALPHA-EMC> via mono
[20:00:13] <ALPHA-EMC> or something like that.
[20:01:16] <jmkasunich> lerman: any progress with that compile error?
[20:03:20] <lerman> Nope. -- but I haven't worked on it (I'm cleaning up some of the crap under my desk). My guess is that it is related to the kernel version. I'll probably just find a bare machine and install the latest and greatest. Ken
[20:03:30] <jmkasunich> ok
[20:06:13] <alex_joni> is that bdi-live ?
[20:07:46] <anonimasu> hm
[20:09:01] <ALPHA-EMC> who made SWPadnos' jogging pendent thing?
[20:13:01] <anonimasu> hm
[20:13:03] <anonimasu> dosent look good
[20:13:55] <jmkasunich> anonimasu: wassa matter?
[20:16:11] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: everything..
[20:16:13] <anonimasu> :/
[20:27:30] <lerman> alex_joniasked is that bdi-live ? That sounds familiar -- it has been a long time.
[20:28:10] <alex_joni> lerman: not that important really
[20:31:19] <anonimasu> jmkasunich: I'm considering buying a cnc mill.
[20:31:21] <anonimasu> it's that kind of day.
[20:32:02] <anonimasu> my spirals have a flat edge..
[20:32:26] <anonimasu> and well im tired as hell :/
[21:13:37] <robin_sz> meep?
[21:14:03] <robin_sz> I think I will need to employ the services of a structural engineer on this one ...
[21:14:16] <robin_sz> desinging stuff with huge steel beams is not my thing at all
[21:15:04] <robin_sz> well, small steel beams I guess. They sonded big to me but came out near the featherweight end of the Corus catalogue
[21:28:44] <anonimasu> :)
[21:50:52] <robin_sz> alright .. who knows how to drive this Solidworks thing then?
[21:51:40] <alex_joni> * alex_joni drove it right to /dev/null
[21:52:21] <robin_sz> can't figure out how to but a detail view on a separate drawing sheet to its parent view
[21:57:02] <robin_sz> and ...
[21:57:26] <robin_sz> how do you supress the weld symbol on a part, its needed on the drawing, but not on the 3d model
[22:00:07] <robin_sz> oh, sorted that one.
[22:05:58] <robin_sz> Heard of Corus? steel manufacturer, used to be called British Steel. the heart of britains manufacturing base.
[22:06:05] <robin_sz> except we sold it last week.
[22:06:11] <robin_sz> to some outfit from India
[22:06:13] <robin_sz> sigh
[22:11:20] <anonimasu> hide..
[22:11:21] <anonimasu> :)
[22:26:07] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/ (Submakefile halmodule.cc): This fixes a runtime link error, but I don't know if the fix is right.
[22:30:24] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/Submakefile: remove debugging output
[22:33:05] <alex_joni> robin_sz: mittal steel?
[22:37:45] <robin_sz> alex_jonie: no, Tata
[22:37:58] <robin_sz> I think Tata own Mittal as well?
[22:38:32] <alex_joni> I think the other way around
[22:38:45] <robin_sz> next up we'll be sellign Buckingham Palace to the French
[22:39:01] <robin_sz> and the House of Parliament to the Americans
[22:39:05] <robin_sz> oh, wait
[22:39:18] <robin_sz> too late
[22:39:59] <robin_sz> George W Bush bought it ages ago
[22:44:40] <robin_sz> heh .. now THAT is a kewl video clip .. seen it before but still awesome
[22:45:56] <A-L-P-H-A> what was the website with the map of emc users?
[22:49:49] <robin_sz> http://darwin.cia.gov/mapping/subversives/geek_map.html ?
[22:50:04] <alex_joni> frappr.com/emc2
[22:50:12] <alex_joni> but it's kinda obsolete
[22:50:25] <alex_joni> frappr sux since they switched to yahoo maps
[22:50:41] <A-L-P-H-A> oh it's now with yahoo maps.
[22:51:07] <alex_joni> yeah, and as usual.. they didn't get it fully right
[22:51:47] <anonimasu> 2hm
[22:51:54] <A-L-P-H-A> what are the options? googlemaps, mapquest, yahoo maps.
[22:51:57] <A-L-P-H-A> who else is there?
[22:52:05] <robin_sz> google
[22:52:21] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz?
[22:52:43] <robin_sz> theres googlemaps, google maps and googlemaps
[22:53:12] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz. uhuh... you're brain's fried from the i-beam.
[22:53:24] <robin_sz> the rest are just sub standard junk
[22:53:39] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm looking to make an application that uses the map data.
[22:53:48] <alex_joni> google api
[22:53:50] <A-L-P-H-A> so this is kind of important to me.
[22:54:12] <robin_sz> a useful application?
[22:54:19] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah.
[22:54:23] <alex_joni> http://www.google.com/apis/maps/
[22:54:25] <robin_sz> can I predict what it is?
[22:54:30] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz. sure.
[22:54:42] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, I already signed up.
[22:55:12] <A-L-P-H-A> I feel like getting drunk tonight.
[22:55:27] <A-L-P-H-A> argh. that's bad.
[22:55:30] <robin_sz> its a plugin for your GPS that uses the google API and a bluetooth connection to you GPRS equipped wireless phone. It will ensure that on any journey you make, you remain atl east 10 miles clear of any EMC user?
[22:55:32] <A-L-P-H-A> no no drinking for me.
[22:55:46] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz. EXACTLY!
[22:56:47] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz. Actually, none of it is close... but the GPS does give me an idea... if I can somehow get that info and see what the nearest stuff within X km from current position.
[22:56:47] <robin_sz> see, easily guessed
[22:57:06] <alex_joni> robin_sz: don't forget within 1 mile or less from local "well-known" pubs
[22:57:21] <A-L-P-H-A> quit using miles.
[22:57:22] <robin_sz> strangley, the major players are doing that already
[22:57:27] <A-L-P-H-A> miles are depricated.
[22:58:21] <robin_sz> cell phone providers use your current cell to give you the id of the nearest pub/gas station/hooker etc
[22:58:39] <A-L-P-H-A> all your databases are belong to us.
[22:58:47] <A-L-P-H-A> hooker? lies.
[22:58:49] <robin_sz> strangely, it doesnt actually work
[22:59:21] <robin_sz> not enough businesses pay to be on it, so the resultts are useless
[22:59:27] <robin_sz> so no one uses it
[22:59:37] <robin_sz> so no one pays to advertise on it ..
[22:59:38] <robin_sz> etc
[22:59:45] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: klicks better?
[22:59:51] <alex_joni> instead of miles
[22:59:54] <A-L-P-H-A> Google at least gives you something back nice... Long/Lat coordinates... which I can use in the DB to corrolate other stuff.
[23:00:21] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, klicks are good... but a hedgehog is not bad either.
[23:00:35] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, lets measure everything in nanometers.
[23:00:37] <robin_sz> speaking of hookeers, my lead welder is just back from bangkok
[23:00:46] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz. hope his dick fell off.
[23:01:02] <A-L-P-H-A> fuck'n exploitation ticks me off.
[23:01:27] <robin_sz> 2 threesomes and 5 all-nighters apparently .. he came to work for 4 days and then fell ill ... so maybe you prediction will come true ...
[23:01:54] <A-L-P-H-A> GOOD. hope he dies a painful death, for exploiting people.
[23:02:04] <robin_sz> shrug ...
[23:02:26] <A-L-P-H-A> Hope he got syphilish, HIV, and whatever other goodies that is common in that area.
[23:02:47] <robin_sz> weird isnt it that we salute our soldiers and curse our hookers
[23:03:00] <A-L-P-H-A> soldiers can go fuck themselves as well.
[23:03:19] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm in a really pissed off mood.
[23:03:33] <robin_sz> ach cheer up
[23:03:47] <robin_sz> go and find a cheap woman fo rthe night .. oh, wait ...
[23:03:49] <alex_joni> tomorrow will be worse
[23:03:52] <robin_sz> really?
[23:03:54] <robin_sz> coo.
[23:03:59] <alex_joni> I heard :)
[23:04:07] <A-L-P-H-A> heh
[23:05:03] <A-L-P-H-A> I need a block of wood or steel, or something... want to make a tray for my t-slot clamping set.
[23:05:12] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe I'll make it outta sheet metal.
[23:05:22] <A-L-P-H-A> that doesn't sound like a bad idea... sheet metal.
[23:05:23] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm.
[23:06:10] <robin_sz> they usually come with some sort of sheet metal wall hanging tray
[23:06:18] <A-L-P-H-A> I never got it when i bought the shop.
[23:06:34] <robin_sz> complain
[23:06:34] <A-L-P-H-A> they're in a box right now... pain in the ass...
[23:06:41] <A-L-P-H-A> it was like 4 years ago now.
[23:06:47] <robin_sz> sue!
[23:07:07] <robin_sz> its the American way
[23:07:36] <A-L-P-H-A> quit pissing me off more... I'm not americant.
[23:07:53] <robin_sz> ahh! .. thats why you are pissed off ;)
[23:08:36] <robin_sz> I have to confess I thought you lived in north america ... toronto or somewhere
[23:08:43] <A-L-P-H-A> I do.
[23:08:46] <A-L-P-H-A> Toronto's great.
[23:09:03] <A-L-P-H-A> besides the random violence that ghetto kids are trying to mimick off americant TV.
[23:09:30] <robin_sz> and the baggage handling code is YYZ
[23:10:33] <robin_sz> and Toronto is home to one of the greatest bands of all time
[23:11:01] <A-L-P-H-A> we have 2 international airports, one is YYZ
[23:11:12] <A-L-P-H-A> the other I can't remember.
[23:11:18] <alex_joni> XYZ
[23:11:25] <alex_joni> :-P
[23:11:34] <robin_sz> technically, no ... YYZ is not the airport indetifier but I know what you mean
[23:11:35] <A-L-P-H-A> there's also an international cargo one in Hamilton (an hour outside Toronto)
[23:11:50] <robin_sz> baggage handling codes are 3 letters ...
[23:11:51] <A-L-P-H-A> huh?
[23:11:57] <A-L-P-H-A> the airport code is YYZ.
[23:12:03] <robin_sz> airpport identifiers are 4 letters
[23:12:06] <robin_sz> exaple
[23:12:20] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.google.ca/search?q=toronto+airport+code&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a
[23:12:22] <A-L-P-H-A> YYZ
[23:12:35] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe in Europe.
[23:12:35] <robin_sz> birmingham international is BHX for baggage, but its ICAO idntifier is EHGU
[23:12:53] <A-L-P-H-A> W H A T E V E R.
[23:13:22] <A-L-P-H-A> okay... I need food before I get even more angry.
[23:13:52] <alex_joni> YTZ is the other
[23:14:05] <alex_joni> ICAO airport code: CYTZ
[23:14:07] <alex_joni> IATA airport code: YTZ
[23:14:23] <alex_joni> Toronto City Centre Airport
[23:14:57] <alex_joni> Toronto Pearson International Airport (YYZ/CYYZ)
[23:15:02] <A-L-P-H-A> YTZ is the other international... (as it accepts US flights)
[23:15:29] <robin_sz> yeah CYYZ is the ICAO identifier
[23:15:40] <robin_sz> sometimes they are very similar .. sometimes not
[23:16:19] <robin_sz> oh, bham is EGBB and BHX for example
[23:16:41] <alex_joni> ha
[23:16:45] <alex_joni> "Many countries, such as Canada, no longer use IATA codes in their official aeronautical publications."
[23:16:59] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: guess that means 4 letters for you :P
[23:17:05] <robin_sz> LHR and EGLL
[23:17:21] <robin_sz> for heathrow
[23:17:39] <alex_joni> TSR (LRTR) - where I live
[23:18:10] <robin_sz> As I remember, the first letter of the four digit code is a country identifier, same as on the tail numbers of the planes probably
[23:20:05] <alex_joni> * alex_joni falls off the chair
[23:20:14] <anonimasu> hm
[23:20:27] <alex_joni> http://www.rosa.ro/
[23:20:32] <alex_joni> ROFLMAO
[23:21:23] <robin_sz> heh
[23:21:27] <anonimasu> alex_joni: wtf!
[23:21:31] <robin_sz> have they got a permit?
[23:21:45] <anonimasu> permit?
[23:21:49] <robin_sz> yeah
[23:22:02] <robin_sz> you need a permit to go into space now I think
[23:22:06] <robin_sz> from the americans
[23:22:06] <anonimasu> bleh
[23:22:13] <anonimasu> lol
[23:22:14] <robin_sz> they announced soemthing a few weeks ago
[23:22:20] <alex_joni> http://web.rosa.ro/english/space_program/espace_program.htm
[23:22:37] <robin_sz> something like "its all ours. we got their first(ish)"
[23:22:37] <alex_joni> robin_sz: how about coming from space?
[23:22:38] <anonimasu> I hope their policestate collapses under it's own beureucracy.
[23:22:58] <anonimasu> that's so retarded.
[23:23:20] <robin_sz> alex_joni: from space? I dont think they would issue a permit for that
[23:23:25] <robin_sz> not without photo ID anyway
[23:23:41] <anonimasu> :D
[23:23:47] <alex_joni> :P
[23:23:48] <anonimasu> im GLZZXARG Fear me!
[23:24:11] <robin_sz> I was going to say they probably dotn care because George doesnt believe in little green men from mars
[23:24:15] <robin_sz> but .. I suspec the does
[23:24:19] <anonimasu> hehe
[23:24:30] <anonimasu> rosa means pink in sweden
[23:24:34] <anonimasu> swedish..
[23:25:11] <robin_sz> Sverige ?
[23:25:20] <robin_sz> sp?
[23:25:37] <anonimasu> sp?
[23:25:43] <robin_sz> spelling?
[23:26:03] <anonimasu> yeah
[23:26:09] <robin_sz> coo. good guess
[23:26:12] <anonimasu> "rosa"
[23:26:14] <anonimasu> :D
[23:31:29] <alex_joni> it's the same in german
[23:31:36] <alex_joni> and in romanian it's roz
[23:31:55] <alex_joni> similarlypronounced like the german rosa ;)
[23:39:34] <robin_sz> speaking of Germans ... wher eis that poxy video I was looking for
[23:43:17] <robin_sz> http://www.porkolt.com/funny/reporter/hit/flying/plane/reporter-almost-gets-hit-by-a-low-flying-plane-5353.html
[23:46:02] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/src/common/emc2_introduction.lyx: really meant EMC not EMC2 there.. few other minor fixes
[23:48:17] <A-L-P-H-A> back
[23:48:27] <A-L-P-H-A> something in my stomach...
[23:48:32] <A-L-P-H-A> feel not so angry now.
[23:48:57] <robin_sz> something in your stomach?
[23:49:03] <robin_sz> * robin_sz has seen Alien
[23:49:28] <A-L-P-H-A> chicken strips, mushy crisps, corn, and a brownie.
[23:49:34] <A-L-P-H-A> microwave junk.
[23:49:39] <robin_sz> a brownie? coo.
[23:49:55] <A-L-P-H-A> the brownie was actually really yummy... the rest not so much
[23:50:07] <robin_sz> well, I'll take your word for that
[23:50:56] <robin_sz> you have the "Boy Scouts" movement over there?
[23:51:08] <robin_sz> and for girls the Girl Guides?
[23:51:22] <A-L-P-H-A> girl guides got renamed to something else.
[23:51:27] <robin_sz> brownies are the junior branch of gilr guides over here
[23:51:35] <A-L-P-H-A> boy scouts, yeah... but not really that big here in Canada.
[23:51:41] <A-L-P-H-A> more an american't thing.
[23:51:54] <A-L-P-H-A> girl guides = big sister now.
[23:52:02] <robin_sz> coo.
[23:52:04] <A-L-P-H-A> and big brother thing too.
[23:52:08] <robin_sz> ick.
[23:52:29] <A-L-P-H-A> they got renamed... for some reason...
[23:52:45] <A-L-P-H-A> I remember seing the sign.. "Big sisters, formerly girl guides of Canada"
[23:52:46] <A-L-P-H-A> I think.
[23:52:49] <A-L-P-H-A> or am I imagining it.
[23:52:51] <A-L-P-H-A> <shrug>
[23:52:57] <A-L-P-H-A> not a concern to me, as I don't have kids yet
[23:53:13] <A-L-P-H-A> or to better phrase, "kids that I know about"
[23:53:15] <robin_sz> round here they so the usual fund raising thing for a week, where they conduct some minor job for you and you pay them some trivial amount ... cleaning up leaves and such
[23:53:41] <A-L-P-H-A> I'd give a kid $5 to rake and clean up my lawn.
[23:53:52] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe $20 to paint my drive way.
[23:54:06] <A-L-P-H-A> $10 to mow and pickup the clippings.
[23:54:10] <robin_sz> I always respond the same way whenthey call "sorry, I dont believe in paramilitary youth organisations" ... the confused look ontheir 10 year old faces is worth a 1000 dollars ;)
[23:54:20] <A-L-P-H-A> mUAhahahha
[23:54:24] <A-L-P-H-A> LOL
[23:54:26] <A-L-P-H-A> ROLF
[23:54:46] <A-L-P-H-A> hahaha... that cheered me up. thanks.
[23:54:51] <robin_sz> and with that .,..
[23:54:57] <robin_sz> im off to bed
[23:55:00] <robin_sz> see ya.
[23:55:02] <A-L-P-H-A> lates robin_sz.