#emc | Logs for 2006-10-23

[07:27:04] <fenn> gratz
[07:27:14] <fenn> on 2.0.4
[07:41:44] <alex_joni> hi fenn
[07:42:03] <alex_joni> fenn: too bad we found a problem 2h later :D
[07:42:20] <fenn> then you get to make 2 releases in one day!
[07:42:58] <alex_joni> nah.. this problem exists since before 2.0.0
[07:43:03] <alex_joni> and no-one ever complained :)
[07:48:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 'lo
[07:48:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra> logger_aj: bookmark
[07:48:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I'm feeling lazy .. but here's the log anyways:
[07:48:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that was a long log :D
[08:01:53] <anonimasu> morning
[08:07:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 'lo
[08:11:32] <A-L-P-H-A> I can't believe I just got home.
[08:11:52] <A-L-P-H-A> so tired.
[08:12:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra> then what are you doing on IRC :p
[08:12:33] <A-L-P-H-A> about to look for porn.
[08:12:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ...
[08:12:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> TMI
[08:12:46] <A-L-P-H-A> girl I just dropped off didn't help my situation.
[08:12:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> lets not go there again
[08:13:07] <A-L-P-H-A> this one's hot...
[08:13:19] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: do you have a post for mastercam that works with emc?
[08:13:30] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: never looked.
[08:13:39] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: how do you get parts out to emc?
[08:14:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra> anonimasu: I (and the wiki) have working (ugly post code though) for edgecam
[08:14:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra> really ugly though, hardcoded m21 and stuff :p
[08:14:39] <anonimasu> I have a mastercam post for turbocnc.. pretty easy to modify but if there is one
[08:14:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> *G21
[08:14:52] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: hand coded... g-code parser such as "ace"...
[08:15:01] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: ace?
[08:15:11] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: www.dakeng.com
[08:15:17] <A-L-P-H-A> check out ace converter there
[08:15:50] <anonimasu> yeah.. but that doesnt really help me..
[08:16:32] <anonimasu> i'll just have to mod the post until it owrks
[08:17:03] <anonimasu> Lerneaen_Hydra: I dont have edgecam
[08:17:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok. any type of post converter? (doubtful...)
[08:18:11] <anonimasu> what do you mean?
[08:18:29] <anonimasu> I have a turbocnc post.. that'll work with some modification.. I used it before :) but I need to re-modify it
[08:20:48] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[08:20:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, right. I was thinking if someone had made an edgecam -> mastercam post converter, if the post coding was very similar then something might exist
[08:20:57] <Lerneaen_Hydra> too early in the morning?
[08:21:06] <anonimasu> yeah
[08:21:07] <anonimasu> 10:21
[08:21:09] <anonimasu> soon lunch
[08:21:23] <anonimasu> usually editing posts arent too extreme
[08:21:30] <anonimasu> just find a pretty standard machine :)
[08:21:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yeah
[08:22:07] <alex_joni> * alex_joni yawns
[08:22:18] <alex_joni> way too early :(
[08:22:53] <anonimasu> I wonder if I have some V bit for some engraving..
[08:23:57] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, random question, when working with (bal) bearings, what type of fit is optimal? press-fit of around 100-300kg (30mm OD, 10mm ID, 9mm thick)
[08:24:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra> s/bal/ball
[08:24:23] <A-L-P-H-A> 'ight... I'm falling asleep in my chair.
[08:24:25] <A-L-P-H-A> ciao people
[08:24:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 'night
[08:24:49] <fenn> you want it tight but not that tight
[08:25:02] <anonimasu> press fit is tight.. but not so tight as to deform the material..
[08:25:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> so i should be able to press it in by hand power alone?
[08:25:12] <anonimasu> no
[08:25:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> modest vice power?
[08:25:29] <anonimasu> yeah
[08:25:37] <anonimasu> I usually tap them in place..
[08:25:43] <anonimasu> with a hammer and a O
[08:25:47] <anonimasu> on the outer edge
[08:25:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hmm, ok. in this case it shouldn't be too hard, as the outer material is soft aluminum
[08:26:02] <fenn> you want to hit it on the inner edge if its going onto a shaft
[08:26:14] <anonimasu> yeah
[08:26:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> basically don't put load on the balls
[08:26:29] <fenn> right
[08:26:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> when mounting
[08:26:52] <anonimasu> yep
[08:29:24] <alex_joni> < Lerneaen_Hydra> basically don't put load on the balls
[08:29:28] <alex_joni> heh
[08:29:45] <anonimasu> might hurt you
[08:29:49] <anonimasu> if you do ^_^
[08:29:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra> dude, do not go there...
[08:29:57] <alex_joni> might
[08:30:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra> argh mental images... go away
[08:30:21] <alex_joni> fenn: seen this? https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+bug/1
[08:31:05] <anonimasu> Lerneaen_Hydra: it's to late not :/
[08:31:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra> anonimasu: huh?
[08:31:40] <anonimasu> Lerneaen_Hydra: the mental images already ethed into your brain..
[08:31:40] <anonimasu> :D
[08:31:57] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh
[08:31:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yeah
[08:32:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra> a la wild wild west
[08:34:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra> (which was a hideously bad movie IMO)
[08:36:28] <anonimasu> agreed
[08:41:27] <anonimasu> 7hm
[08:41:36] <anonimasu> is anyone here into doing engravings?
[08:47:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra> how do you mean?
[08:48:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I've done some simple stuff, think ascii-art for cnc mills, and deeper 3d stuff
[08:49:05] <anonimasu> hm some simple 3d engraving..
[08:49:09] <anonimasu> I'm wondering about cutters..
[08:49:14] <anonimasu> what should you use?
[08:49:52] <fenn> 90 degree V flute for most stuff
[08:50:00] <fenn> 60 degree for finer stuff
[08:50:14] <anonimasu> I think I have one somewhere..
[08:50:28] <fenn> prolly not hard to make one from scratch
[08:50:51] <anonimasu> I tried before but the endmill I made it out of broke directly
[08:51:04] <anonimasu> probably should have used a HSS piece
[08:51:08] <fenn> yeah
[08:51:11] <fenn> what are you engraving?
[08:51:28] <anonimasu> nothing yet
[08:51:38] <anonimasu> I were thinking about some logo..
[08:52:32] <fenn> engrave me the king arthur flour logo
[08:52:58] <anonimasu> rgh
[08:53:02] <anonimasu> that logo is from hell
[08:54:08] <anonimasu> more like out company logo :)
[08:55:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> is it a good sign that whenever someone says king arthur I think "I didn't vote for you!" and "hey look, he's opressing me!"
[08:55:41] <fenn> do you have repressed past life memories?
[08:56:07] <anonimasu> http://www.centroidcnc.com/cncvideo/videopawn.html
[08:56:09] <anonimasu> ^_^
[08:57:55] <anonimasu> lol
[08:58:07] <anonimasu> hm
[08:58:14] <anonimasu> im hoping for devel work to arrive soon
[08:58:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra> fenn: you have not seen enough monty python
[08:59:07] <fenn> its been a while, yeas
[09:00:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Monty_Python_and_the_Holy_Grail#Dennis_The_Constitutional_Peasant
[09:02:42] <anonimasu> brb
[09:02:42] <anonimasu> lunch
[09:13:25] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: Who goes there?
[09:13:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> It is I, Arthur
[09:14:58] <alex_joni> son of Uther Pendragon :D
[09:15:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, random question, which FTP server is good to use in linux? (a nice gui is good)
[09:15:38] <alex_joni> think I saw the beginning of that movie a dozen times at least
[09:15:47] <alex_joni> nice gui? on an ftp server?
[09:15:54] <alex_joni> no idea :)
[09:15:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> well, a gui for configuring
[09:16:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra> probably a daemon that does the actual serving
[09:17:24] <alex_joni> no idea :)
[09:17:34] <alex_joni> I've seen proftpd
[09:17:47] <alex_joni> but I can't say if it's good or not
[09:20:00] <fenn> type "sudo vsftpd"
[09:20:11] <fenn> then log in as usual
[09:29:10] <alex_joni> sudo vsftpd ?
[09:31:48] <alex_joni> lol.. The Feisty Fawn
[09:32:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra> O.o
[09:32:21] <alex_joni> Ubuntu 7.04
[09:36:49] <anonimasu> iab
[09:37:19] <anonimasu> lol
[09:37:53] <anonimasu> I saw some joke about the naming scheme "whorey weasel"
[09:38:45] <anonimasu> ubunty is nice btw
[09:42:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> they're going to call 7.04 feisty fawn?
[09:43:37] <fenn> wasnt there eager ermine or somesuch?
[09:44:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra> http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=feisty <-- the second one was the term I though of first, for some reason
[09:44:16] <fenn> guess not
[09:45:39] <anonimasu> hehe
[09:45:49] <anonimasu> brb
[09:48:17] <alex_joni> fenn: edgy eft is 6.10
[09:48:26] <alex_joni> this one's the next due in 7.04
[09:48:59] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: lol
[09:49:00] <fenn> what is an eft?
[09:49:08] <alex_joni> some odd creature :D
[09:49:29] <alex_joni> An Eft is a youthful newt, going through its first exploration of the
[09:49:29] <alex_joni> rocky territory just outside the stream. And that's exactly what we hope
[09:49:29] <alex_joni> the development team will do with Ubuntu during the Edgy cycle - explore
[09:49:29] <alex_joni> slightly unfamiliar and uncharted territory that is perhaps a little out
[09:49:30] <alex_joni> of the mainstream.
[09:50:40] <alex_joni> but Feisty Fawn is really a laugher
[09:50:48] <fenn> yeah
[09:51:37] <alex_joni> "pretty young girl beeing in a heighted sexual mood"
[09:51:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> so dapper will be their stable branch and efty & feisty will be testing?
[09:52:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> fawn doesn't make it better: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=fawn
[09:54:05] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: once released they are stable
[09:54:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra> then what was the point of LTS?
[09:54:21] <alex_joni> but 6.06 (Dapper Drake) is the LTS (Long Term Support)
[09:54:29] <alex_joni> for conservative people
[09:56:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok
[09:56:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra> so EMC will stick with 6.06 I take it?
[09:56:43] <Lerneaen_Hydra> it's not like XGL is really needed is it :p
[09:57:15] <anonimasu> I wnat compiz on my mill! *cry*
[10:00:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ooh, one thing I thought of yesterday that would be *really* good for emc lathe, that is really really annoying with commercial lathes is a variant of touch off where after machining you see that the tool wasn't correctly measured in (so parts are too small or too large). The widget would be a box where you click something like "part is" "too small"/"too large" "by" <amount> "radius"/"diameter". a
[10:00:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra> nd one that is "part is too" "long"/"short" "by" <amount>
[10:00:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> as it is now you have to keep track of which sign the offset is, and subtract that from the current value and do a diameter/radius conversion
[10:01:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that's one thing that everybody I know has problems with (the people I know get it wrong as often as 25% of the time)
[10:02:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra> and it's really simple to add that, as it's just a modification of the current touch-off feature
[10:02:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra pokes jepler ;)
[10:04:12] <anonimasu> how well does emc work with lathe?
[10:04:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra> very well actually IMO
[10:04:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra> at least AFAICT
[10:04:28] <anonimasu> afaict?
[10:04:33] <Lerneaen_Hydra> as far as I can tell
[10:04:38] <anonimasu> I'll be building/converting my lathe soon
[10:04:39] <anonimasu> .)
[10:04:46] <anonimasu> now that I have the mill working
[10:04:53] <Lerneaen_Hydra> cool
[10:05:01] <Lerneaen_Hydra> going to have jogwheels?
[10:05:07] <anonimasu> ofcourse
[10:05:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what size?
[10:05:17] <Lerneaen_Hydra> tabletop?
[10:05:18] <anonimasu> dad needs to be able to turn stuff :)
[10:05:20] <anonimasu> no..
[10:05:24] <anonimasu> arger
[10:05:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra> monster?
[10:05:26] <anonimasu> larger..
[10:05:27] <anonimasu> no
[10:05:32] <anonimasu> reasonably sized..
[10:05:39] <anonimasu> I'd love to cnc the lathe at work..
[10:05:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what size of parts will you be able to turn?
[10:05:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 100mm od?
[10:05:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 200mm?
[10:05:59] <anonimasu> but the powerfeed motor is at over 4kw..
[10:06:09] <anonimasu> I think 200 at most
[10:06:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, so a bit bigger than mine ;)
[10:06:19] <anonimasu> a bit more perhaps
[10:06:25] <anonimasu> a colchester
[10:06:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I've got 300 watts and max OD of 60-65 iirc
[10:06:32] <anonimasu> oh
[10:06:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra> free though so I can't complain
[10:06:43] <anonimasu> I've got 2kw :) I think
[10:07:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> http://www.emco.co.uk/images/compact-5.jpg
[10:07:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra> thats the standard 1980's look
[10:07:36] <anonimasu> hehe
[10:07:37] <anonimasu> cute
[10:07:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra> the emc retrofit was actually very simple
[10:07:42] <anonimasu> http://www.sdamc.net/pics_logos/herald/lathe.jpg
[10:07:44] <anonimasu> around that size
[10:07:52] <anonimasu> a bit larger
[10:07:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh so standard size
[10:08:13] <anonimasu> yeah
[10:08:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> going to have ballscrews?
[10:08:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra> or acme?
[10:08:29] <anonimasu> ballscrews
[10:08:43] <anonimasu> I have for the slide ones I used in my last mill
[10:08:51] <anonimasu> :)
[10:09:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> cool
[10:09:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> btw, where do you find ballscrews in sweden?
[10:09:19] <anonimasu> skf..
[10:09:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra> and are they expensive?
[10:09:22] <anonimasu> "momentum"
[10:09:24] <anonimasu> sels them..
[10:09:26] <anonimasu> yes very
[10:09:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, cool I've got a rebate there
[10:09:35] <anonimasu> ^_^
[10:09:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra> how bad?
[10:09:43] <anonimasu> they are still expensive..
[10:09:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> how much did yours cost?
[10:10:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> (and what size)
[10:10:08] <anonimasu> I think 4000 for the screws I have at the lathe..
[10:10:14] <anonimasu> 2mm pitch 15 dia
[10:10:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra> how long?
[10:10:35] <anonimasu> 1,5
[10:10:36] <anonimasu> m
[10:10:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> were they preloaded?
[10:10:43] <anonimasu> it's just a estimate
[10:10:44] <anonimasu> no
[10:10:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, 4000 isn't that bad then
[10:10:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> how are you going to do that?
[10:11:01] <anonimasu> and 1000 more with nut..
[10:11:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> (preload them)
[10:11:15] <anonimasu> machine a tube..
[10:11:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra> wait, do you mean 4000 for just the rod? no nut?
[10:11:33] <anonimasu> yeah
[10:11:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra> fsck!
[10:11:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I was thinking 4000 for rod + 2x nuts for preloading
[10:12:01] <anonimasu> :)
[10:12:15] <anonimasu> I'd buy isel screws..
[10:12:18] <anonimasu> if you can wait..
[10:12:23] <anonimasu> www.sollectro.se
[10:12:27] <anonimasu> they are all on order..
[10:12:35] <anonimasu> but they do end machining when you order them
[10:12:42] <anonimasu> the prices are nice..
[10:13:02] <anonimasu> http://www.solectro.se/
[10:13:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh so you buy a rod, two nuts and two end peices?
[10:14:01] <Lerneaen_Hydra> how nice?
[10:14:13] <anonimasu> very nice..
[10:14:27] <anonimasu> I've got the catalog at home so I cant look
[10:14:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra> >.< something not so subjective :p
[10:14:32] <anonimasu> but they are way cheaper then skf.
[10:14:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok
[10:14:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> so around 1k for the rod?
[10:14:47] <anonimasu> 1500 for the nut..
[10:14:50] <anonimasu> and 1000for the rod..
[10:15:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra> is that a single nut or a dual nut?
[10:15:11] <anonimasu> single nut
[10:15:17] <Lerneaen_Hydra> so you need two then?
[10:15:20] <anonimasu> yeah
[10:15:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> so 4000 per axis :|
[10:15:46] <anonimasu> they might have preloaded nuts..
[10:15:53] <anonimasu> dunno, they are nice..
[10:16:03] <anonimasu> you can call them up and speak to their machine builders..
[10:16:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra> how are prices when the parts are smaller, say 70cm long and 10mm diameter?
[10:16:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra> similar?
[10:16:24] <anonimasu> better
[10:16:47] <anonimasu> but the nuts never gets cheap
[10:16:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> how's the quality?
[10:16:56] <anonimasu> no idea
[10:16:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yeah that's what I was afraid og
[10:17:14] <anonimasu> call them and ask..
[10:17:23] <anonimasu> they sell them in different quality ratings
[10:17:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra> heh, I have a 50mm 5mm pitch 60cm long ballscrew I found in a dumpster (practically new). I wonder if they'll trade :p
[10:17:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok
[10:17:54] <anonimasu> they are there to help you out
[10:18:10] <anonimasu> I've found it works best to speak to the app engineers and ask them what they've got to say
[10:18:19] <anonimasu> they know if stuff works :)
[10:18:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yeah, sounds sane
[10:19:00] <anonimasu> * anonimasu needs to look at prealoading
[10:19:04] <anonimasu> though im pushing it ahead
[10:19:20] <anonimasu> I have a fairly good idea on how to do it..
[10:20:29] <anonimasu> thread a cylinder onto the mount.. inside the table now..
[10:20:32] <anonimasu> make the id larger..
[10:21:17] <anonimasu> and have the nut & washers inside of there..
[10:24:17] <anonimasu> http://www.comptrolinc.com/bssingleprebn.htm
[10:24:18] <anonimasu> just like that
[10:25:03] <anonimasu> only difference is that I have longer between my nuts..
[10:25:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, looks like the same type of system as in my lathe
[10:26:33] <anonimasu> the only issue is if they sell reversed nuts..
[10:29:49] <anonimasu> hm
[10:29:57] <anonimasu> the joy of writing a protocol
[10:30:00] <anonimasu> *curses*
[10:31:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> fun fun
[10:34:03] <anonimasu> im writing a checksum algorithm :)
[10:34:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra> why not use md5/sha/sfv/other?
[10:34:47] <anonimasu> this is for talking to a plc..
[10:35:22] <anonimasu> so im not sure how well it'd work to implement that..
[10:35:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, dont they have some form of md5/something?
[10:35:52] <anonimasu> I could always stick a bit of C there..
[10:35:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> if it's paralell you could always use a parity channel :p
[10:36:04] <anonimasu> serial
[10:36:51] <anonimasu> I wonder if I really need to check my dta
[10:36:52] <anonimasu> data
[11:13:51] <Lerneaen_Hydra> slow today
[11:27:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra is waiting for cradek or jepler to come so I can bug them about new features
[11:29:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> don't you love firefox's memory leak
[11:29:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 200mb of ram used with 2 tabs open and chatzilla
[11:29:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> and now it's around 40 with the same stuff
[11:41:12] <anonimasu> hm
[11:41:20] <anonimasu> I need to buy a canbus adapter.
[11:44:00] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: 2 words: screen, irssi
[11:44:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: huh?
[11:44:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh
[11:44:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that client :p
[11:44:32] <alex_joni> instead of firefox & chatzilla
[11:45:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra> why not w3m/wget
[11:45:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra> if you want to be really hardcore
[11:47:12] <alex_joni> harder on irg
[11:47:17] <alex_joni> harder on irgc
[11:47:21] <alex_joni> harder on irc
[11:47:23] <alex_joni> darn
[11:47:36] <alex_joni> although I use w3m quite often :) (or even lynx)
[11:48:11] <anonimasu> hm
[11:48:13] <anonimasu> gah!"¤#
[11:48:17] <anonimasu> design change%"¤
[11:48:30] <alex_joni> can ?
[11:48:34] <anonimasu> yeah
[11:48:42] <alex_joni> http://www.port.de/software/can4linux/index.html
[11:48:57] <anonimasu> where do I get a usb can adapter in sweden?
[11:50:49] <alex_joni> http://www.esd-electronics.com/
[11:50:59] <alex_joni> Please ask for your local representative in:
[11:51:00] <alex_joni> Italy, Spain, Sweden, UK, Japan
[11:51:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> random question, is a homogenous linear equation system the kind where the constant is 0? (ie ax+by+cz=0)
[11:52:28] <alex_joni> http://www.kvaser.com/index.htm
[11:53:33] <alex_joni> brb phonewith sweden
[11:54:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra> cool
[11:54:48] <anonimasu> nice
[11:54:57] <anonimasu> *expects the phone to ring*
[11:55:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yeah :D
[11:55:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Controller_Area_Network#Base_frame_format
[11:56:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra> isn't that very very wasteful with bits
[11:56:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> you send 64 bits of data and use around 100
[11:57:51] <anonimasu> alex_joni: that adapter looks expensive
[11:58:26] <anonimasu> http://www.esd-electronics.com/german/products/CAN/can-usb-mini_e.htm
[12:14:29] <alex_joni> back
[12:14:38] <anonimasu> wb
[12:18:17] <alex_joni> hi samco
[12:19:52] <anonimasu> hello skunkworks
[12:19:54] <Guest576> morning alex - how are things this monday morning - (or afternoon(
[12:20:04] <Guest576> Hi ano
[12:22:44] <alex_joni> busy
[12:24:10] <Guest576> Guest576 is now known as skunkworks2
[12:26:57] <skunkworks2> I guess I left my computer on at home.
[12:27:51] <alex_joni> how so?
[12:28:14] <alex_joni> hmm.. the nick exists..
[12:28:15] <skunkworks2> now there are 2 of me ;)
[12:28:45] <skunkworks2> stayed up too late last night - probably forgot about it ;)
[12:30:27] <skunkworks2> anonimasu: did you get your servos tuned?
[12:30:52] <skunkworks2> oh
[12:31:00] <skunkworks2> logger_aj: bookmark
[12:31:00] <skunkworks2> I'm feeling lazy .. but here's the log anyways:
[12:44:41] <skunkworks2> Is the emc user and devel mail still on sourcforge?
[12:44:52] <alex_joni> yes
[12:45:17] <skunkworks2> hmm - thier web interface hasn't updated since the 1st of oct
[12:45:42] <alex_joni> same for bug & feature requests
[12:45:47] <alex_joni> still on SF I mean
[12:46:14] <skunkworks2> I was hoping for some light reading this morning ;)
[12:48:34] <alex_joni> it's very light :)
[12:48:40] <alex_joni> aren't you subscribed?
[12:48:55] <anonimasu> eheh
[12:49:27] <anonimasu> skunkworks2: not yet..
[12:49:43] <skunkworks2> I was - but I think I got cut off ;)
[12:52:06] <anonimasu> I think I'll be making parts today :)
[13:03:23] <skunkworks2> anonimasu: good luck
[13:06:08] <anonimasu> thanks
[13:10:12] <skunkworks2> anonimasu: I thought you where running it with turbocnc. did you change your setup to go to emc2? Why would you have to do pid tuning with emc?
[13:10:42] <SWPadnos> turboCNC doesn't have a driver for the USC, so it's a whole different ballgame
[13:11:05] <anonimasu> yeah.
[13:11:16] <SWPadnos> in fact, nothing has a driver for the USC except for EMC
[13:11:19] <anonimasu> turbocnc was a makeshift solution..
[13:11:32] <anonimasu> never planned on using it for more then a few weeks..
[13:11:42] <anonimasu> though.. as it always were 0.06 off..
[13:11:47] <anonimasu> when moving :)
[13:11:49] <SWPadnos> heh
[13:12:24] <anonimasu> emc is +/- 0.01
[13:12:33] <SWPadnos> funny thing - DeskCNC doesn't have a setting for direction hold time. this causes a friend's machine to drift every time the direction reverses ;)
[13:12:59] <SWPadnos> if he tries to do a rectangular pocket, he gets a rhombus instead
[13:13:06] <anonimasu> lol
[13:13:08] <anonimasu> cute
[13:13:19] <SWPadnos> he's considering switching to EMC now :)
[13:13:35] <anonimasu> emc2 is really nice
[13:13:38] <anonimasu> and axis :)
[13:13:44] <anonimasu> everything ;)
[13:13:51] <skunkworks2> anonimasu: very much so
[13:14:00] <SWPadnos> he was having other problems - I suggested using the emc2 liveCD as a diagnostic tool
[13:14:27] <SWPadnos> unfortunately, he was under time pressure to make some molds or something, so he didn't want to go through a whole debugging thing
[13:14:47] <SWPadnos> but the idea of halscope was quite enticing
[13:17:30] <alex_joni> too bad that only now :)
[13:18:01] <SWPadnos> you mean because he's having other problems?
[13:18:18] <alex_joni> I mean because he ran something else for a while :)
[13:18:22] <SWPadnos> heh
[13:18:48] <SWPadnos> he has one point though - he makes money with the machine, and that's partly due to the fact that he can load dxf or bmp files directly
[13:19:03] <SWPadnos> he also has solidworks, so he can generate real G-code
[13:19:04] <anonimasu> h
[13:19:05] <anonimasu> hehe
[13:19:13] <alex_joni> axis loads bmp directly :P
[13:19:13] <anonimasu> solidworks dosent generate gcode..
[13:19:21] <SWPadnos> with solidcam it does ;)
[13:19:24] <anonimasu> lol
[13:19:24] <alex_joni> and using ace as an filter to load dxf is also OK
[13:19:29] <anonimasu> I hate your friend :D
[13:19:34] <SWPadnos> heh
[13:19:45] <anonimasu> not really though
[13:19:46] <SWPadnos> he *is* a mechanical engineer
[13:19:53] <anonimasu> * anonimasu just fetched a 125ppr encoder for jog
[13:21:42] <SWPadnos> argh. my coffee maker still doesn't work. I think the main power relay may have fused on
[13:21:54] <SWPadnos> well, I suppose it would work if I control it by plugging/unplugging ;)
[13:22:39] <alex_joni> put an big power switch
[13:22:56] <SWPadnos> I have a remote control, actually ;)
[13:23:10] <SWPadnos> I'm not sure it can handle 1200 watts though
[13:24:26] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is anxious to see it work
[13:25:36] <skunkworks2> SWPadnos: I am sure you could use emc to control it.
[13:26:04] <SWPadnos> coffee is too important to leave to software
[13:26:16] <anonimasu> http://www.blocket.se/vi/9607781.htm?ca=1_12_s
[13:26:17] <anonimasu> hehe
[13:26:22] <SWPadnos> which is why I'm in the mess I'm in now - the coffee pot is microprocessor controlled
[13:26:44] <SWPadnos> (though it may be a hardware failure this time)
[13:27:41] <alex_joni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Circuit_breaker
[13:28:40] <alex_joni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:GCB.jpg
[13:29:00] <SWPadnos> giant circuit breaker? ;)
[13:30:01] <anonimasu> no
[13:30:01] <anonimasu> :D
[13:31:56] <anonimasu> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Circuit_Breaker_115_kV.jpg
[13:35:40] <alex_joni> anonimasu: the one I posted is way bigger
[13:35:56] <anonimasu> yeah
[13:35:57] <anonimasu> brutal :D
[13:36:02] <alex_joni> Generator circuit breaker rated for 17.5 kV and 63 kA
[13:36:12] <alex_joni> should be enough for a coffee machine
[13:36:20] <alex_joni> even for all :D
[13:55:28] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/rtapi/rtapi_math.h: prototype for round()
[13:55:57] <anonimasu> 3bbl..
[13:57:01] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/rtapi/sim_rtapi.c:
[13:57:01] <CIA-8> by coincidence, 10 was the ratio between the fast and the slow thread, so
[13:57:01] <CIA-8> one test appeared to pass even though it had the unwarranted assumption that
[13:57:01] <CIA-8> all HAL threads started at the same time. 13 is a "more random" number,
[13:57:01] <CIA-8> so it's less likely that this kind of accidental pass will happen again
[13:58:31] <alex_joni> bbl
[14:11:40] <skunkworks2> did I mention how much I love hal oscilloscope?
[14:12:14] <jepler> skunkworks2: yep it's pretty cool
[14:12:36] <skunkworks2> First time I really used it this last week.
[14:13:47] <skunkworks2> Only had a false start when i was trying to see the encoder pulses using the servo thread. ;)
[14:14:15] <jepler> oops, that won't work
[14:14:30] <skunkworks2> it worked for really slow pulses ;)
[14:14:49] <skunkworks2> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/servostart/Fastermouse.png
[14:15:17] <skunkworks2> that was a mouse wheel ;)