#emc | Logs for 2006-10-09

[00:08:24] <A-L-P-H-A> machine runs nice... :) albeit slow... but the finished surface is great!
[00:21:30] <A-L-P-H-A> ouchhhh... damn tea is way tooo hot.
[00:24:36] <tomp> hello all
[00:26:20] <A-L-P-H-A> hi tomp
[01:13:37] <Twingy> gcam.js.cx is live
[01:13:58] <A-L-P-H-A> is it porn? or cnc porn?
[01:14:13] <Twingy> both
[01:15:24] <A-L-P-H-A> is there a short tutorial or something?
[01:20:21] <Twingy> I'm finishing up the Manual
[01:20:32] <A-L-P-H-A> cool.
[01:20:35] <Twingy> once you get the basic concept
[01:20:43] <Twingy> it's easy to figure the rest out
[01:20:50] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm writing subroutines in php... joy.
[01:31:44] <Jymmm> I'm writing php in subroutines!
[01:31:58] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm: congrats. :)
[01:32:06] <Jymmm> eh, not really
[01:32:27] <Jymmm> I'd rather be writing python, but I don't know python.
[01:32:42] <Jymmm> and pythong by asmosis isn't available.
[01:32:47] <Jymmm> python
[01:36:17] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A your welcome =)
[01:57:25] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm: I got a number "-2E-05" how do I make that into a acutual number that EMC will recognize?
[02:02:33] <Jymmm> .000002
[02:02:45] <Jymmm> -
[02:03:08] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A you probably have to use bcmath functions in php.
[02:04:06] <Jymmm> http://www.php.net/manual/en/ref.bc.php
[02:07:22] <A-L-P-H-A> figured it out.
[02:07:28] <A-L-P-H-A> number_format... I was originally using it wrong.
[02:08:49] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A validate what you get back for resutls though.
[02:09:08] <Jymmm> number_format is usually just display, not precision.
[02:10:36] <A-L-P-H-A> oh... so I should round it first, and then number_format the sucker.
[02:10:53] <Jymmm> Well, just verify the results you get back is all I'm saying.
[02:11:00] <Jymmm> Like I said, php SUCKS for math.
[02:20:58] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
[02:21:08] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[02:37:33] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm starting to really realize why all these CAM apps cost so much.
[02:37:48] <A-L-P-H-A> optimizing toolpaths isn't trivial.
[02:38:24] <SWPadnos> did you actually think it was?
[02:39:07] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos: well... for profiles yes. for simple dynamic 3d milling I thought it was... but it's not... especially if you want to spiral down to the depth you want to mill.
[02:39:13] <A-L-P-H-A> which is what i"m trying to do right now.
[02:39:52] <SWPadnos> then there's optimization of pockets, calculating optimal cutting speeds/feeds for the material (and cutter, spindle, coolant, etc)
[02:40:20] <SWPadnos> optimizing for long tool life vs. fast material removal vs. low machine wear, etc.
[02:40:33] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah. :/
[02:41:29] <SWPadnos> but it should be a fun programming exercise anyway ;)
[02:42:28] <A-L-P-H-A> well... I did this... a simple rational spiral.
[02:42:51] <A-L-P-H-A>
[02:43:46] <SWPadnos> a square spiral (with no Z movement) ??
[02:44:05] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah.
[02:46:59] <SWPadnos> well. have fun with it. time for bed
[02:47:10] <A-L-P-H-A> later
[02:47:15] <A-L-P-H-A> are you back state side?
[02:47:21] <SWPadnos> yep
[02:47:27] <SWPadnos> at home with my newly quieted computer
[02:48:06] <A-L-P-H-A> how'd you quiet it?
[02:48:11] <SWPadnos> new fans
[02:48:16] <A-L-P-H-A> oh that works.
[02:48:20] <A-L-P-H-A> thought you foamed it or something
[02:48:30] <SWPadnos> yep. the worst of the bunch was on the video card
[02:48:34] <SWPadnos> nope - too hot that way
[02:54:37] <A-L-P-H-A> stopping caused it to be too hot?
[03:39:19] <Twingy> do you guys mind throwing a link to http://gcam.js.cx ?
[03:51:47] <cradek> Twingy: I can think of two things to suggest: put some information on the emc wiki (wiki.linuxcnc.org) or subscribe to the emc-users list at sourceforge and make an announcement, I bet you'll get lots of interest
[03:54:01] <K`zan> http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/MyMachineShop/projects/FaceterLapNut/index.html
[03:57:05] <jmkasunich> knurling is a pain sometimes
[03:57:27] <Jymmm> whats the command to bring up stopped jobs?
[03:57:31] <Jymmm> (nix)
[03:57:37] <cradek> fg
[03:57:44] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan: did you see my links I sent you?
[03:57:45] <Jymmm> ty
[03:58:17] <Jymmm> cradek: I kept trying forground, forward, just couldn't remember =)
[03:58:50] <jmkasunich> just remember - the older a unix command is, the shorter it is
[03:59:06] <cradek> crap, 11pm already
[03:59:15] <Jymmm> jmkasunich =)
[04:01:14] <K`zan> A-L-P-H-A: No, sure didn't :-(.
[04:01:41] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan: www.dakeng.com there's a taig mill convertion.
[04:01:45] <A-L-P-H-A> I though you had a taig mill
[04:01:47] <A-L-P-H-A> or that style of mill
[04:02:04] <A-L-P-H-A> kit for plates and everything is $50
[04:02:04] <K`zan> A-L-P-H-A: Nope, a Harbor Freight Micro-Mill.
[04:02:10] <A-L-P-H-A> same pile.
[04:02:11] <K`zan> Sigh...
[04:02:39] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.stirlingsteele.com/millplans.html
[04:02:47] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.dakeng.com/rsteelemill.html
[04:04:42] <K`zan> Micro-Mill != Mini-Mill, whole different beast.
[04:11:14] <A-L-P-H-A> <shrug>
[04:21:54] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A have you seen the mini mills live and in person ?
[04:24:53] <A-L-P-H-A> just the sherline.
[04:25:02] <A-L-P-H-A> at a trade show... 3 years ago. :)
[04:25:12] <A-L-P-H-A> So... I don't even really remember them that well.
[04:26:37] <A-L-P-H-A>
[04:33:09] <A-L-P-H-A> oh snap... whole set is $450USD.
[04:33:22] <A-L-P-H-A> but comes with ball screws...
[04:42:03] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A sherline is a micrmill, mini-mill is liek the ones at grizzly or HF... aka cheap china iron
[04:49:58] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah... I can't exactly tell scale from those photos.
[04:59:28] <Jymmm> Ok, the mini-mill pictured is this one --> http://www.harborfreight.com/cpi/ctaf/displayitem.taf?Itemnumber=44991 33" tall and 150 lbs
[05:00:03] <Jymmm> sherline is about ~18" tall
[05:01:47] <Jymmm> http://www.stirlingsteele.com/files/rightviewconversion.jpg
[05:13:26] <A-L-P-H-A> Jymmm: thanks
[05:14:09] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone got any small miniature steam engine plans, that they've built?
[05:22:28] <A-L-P-H-A> OMG... gnu.org got a facelift.
[05:22:39] <A-L-P-H-A> doesn't look like it's 1996 on that page anymore
[05:25:32] <Jymmm> heh
[05:25:46] <Jymmm> disable CSS and it still does =)
[06:02:05] <A-L-P-H-A> Anyone got a drill excellon (sp?) to gcode file?
[06:29:50] <Jymmm> probably cradek or jepler
[06:30:01] <Jymmm> I think cradek might have one on his website
[06:58:14] <A-L-P-H-A> ahh... I wrote one before... but I've lost it since.
[07:17:01] <K`zan> Night folks
[08:16:07] <anonimasu> morning
[08:16:54] <ValarQ> mornin
[08:19:15] <alex_joni> morning
[08:20:21] <anonimasu> what's up+
[08:24:39] <ValarQ> coding on my crap :)
[08:26:27] <anonimasu> hehe
[08:26:29] <anonimasu> nice
[08:28:13] <ValarQ> yeah, im reimplementing the CAM library in Haskell
[08:32:21] <A-L-P-H-A> coding on your crap? is it brown, warm and smelly?
[08:32:47] <A-L-P-H-A> Huge interference pattern with my nvidia drivers... it's such a pain in the ass.
[08:33:51] <A-L-P-H-A> restarting X.
[08:33:52] <A-L-P-H-A> bbiab
[08:33:53] <anonimasu> hm
[08:38:21] <A-L-P-H-A> nvidia hates me.
[08:38:30] <A-L-P-H-A> there's an interference pattern, that I can't get rid of in linux.
[08:38:36] <A-L-P-H-A> really starting to piss me off.
[08:41:41] <ValarQ> A-L-P-H-A: my product serie happens to be named crap
[08:42:31] <A-L-P-H-A> ValarQ: ... product?
[08:44:21] <A-L-P-H-A> Oh... black helps with the interference pattern.
[08:45:45] <alex_joni> ValarQ: found a nice quote by you :D
[08:45:59] <alex_joni> <ValarQ> wtf-8
[08:46:10] <alex_joni> LOL
[08:46:23] <anonimasu> ^_^
[08:46:36] <anonimasu> im doing some last changes to our product firmware before shipping
[08:46:58] <anonimasu> more like writing procedures for adjusting stuff..
[08:47:04] <anonimasu> and calibrating..
[08:50:58] <anonimasu> *yawn*
[08:51:00] <anonimasu> lunch soon :)
[08:58:00] <A-L-P-H-A> I had turkey earlier. :D
[08:58:14] <A-L-P-H-A> do Europeans have turkeys there?
[09:00:59] <anonimasu> yeah
[09:01:08] <anonimasu> though not very common
[09:01:29] <alex_joni> http://ardour.org/files/main-screenshot-big.png
[09:04:31] <trevorb> Hello
[09:07:27] <alex_joni> hello
[09:09:51] <A-L-P-H-A> trevorb: is from kiwiland!
[09:11:02] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... it's true... kiwi's are Chinese!
[09:11:21] <A-L-P-H-A> damn that cold war for rename them from Chinese Gooseberries, to Kiwifruit.
[09:11:24] <trevorb> Has anyone run the liveCD? I've spent ages downloading it, and then it wouldn't boot for me. I think at this stage either a download problem or a CD burning issue. But was wondering if the liveCD was worth persuing.
[09:12:23] <A-L-P-H-A> trevorb: if you want to install emc, just get ubuntu dapper drake, and then install... a few regulars in here were having some troubles, and just ended up doing that. But with that said, I had no issues with the liveCD. Albeit I have dapper drake install on my workstation, emc machine, and laptop.
[09:13:08] <alex_joni> trevorb: there are a few LiveCD versions around.. mind telling which one?
[09:13:12] <A-L-P-H-A> trevorb: now... double check the md5sum, and do a CD test when it boots.
[09:13:29] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: it doesn't boot.. so I suspect it's not written properly
[09:13:29] <A-L-P-H-A> hopefully the newest one form the linuxCNC.org site. :)
[09:13:42] <trevorb> I've got emc2-ubuntu6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[09:13:46] <alex_joni> trevorb: open it on another PC (or other OS), and look at the CD
[09:13:49] <A-L-P-H-A> or too high of a speed, like k'zan was doing.
[09:14:04] <alex_joni> if you see only one file called "emc2-ubuntu6.06-desktop-i386.iso" then it's not written properly
[09:14:20] <alex_joni> trevorb: you need to instruct your burning program to burn from image (or from iso)
[09:14:20] <A-L-P-H-A> teehehe... buring the file, not the image. :)
[09:14:29] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: most common problem
[09:15:18] <trevorb> Yep, I can see the files on thcd on another machine
[09:15:19] <A-L-P-H-A> fair enough
[09:15:42] <A-L-P-H-A> trevorb: can that machine boot from CD? Is the bios looking at the CDrom to boot up?
[09:16:04] <trevorb> Yep, I can load other boot cds.
[09:16:40] <alex_joni> trevorb: so there are many files on the CD?
[09:17:38] <trevorb> 8 files, approx 10 folders
[09:17:49] <A-L-P-H-A> trevorb: okay... can I suggest... check the iso's md5sum (if you need help with that, ask), confirm md5, reburn it at a slow speed with data verification.
[09:18:48] <trevorb> ok, how do I check the md5. I know it's to confirm the download file, but will need help.
[09:19:04] <A-L-P-H-A> trevorb: is windows as your OS?
[09:19:05] <A-L-P-H-A> http://openwebmail.org/openwebmail/download/redhat/howto/md5sum/HOWTO.TXT
[09:20:01] <A-L-P-H-A> trevorb: http://www.etree.org/md5com.html there's the executable.
[09:20:18] <alex_joni> http://www.openoffice.org/dev_docs/using_md5sums.html
[09:20:58] <alex_joni> http://etree.org/cgi-bin/counter.cgi/software/md5sum.exe
[09:21:08] <alex_joni> http://theopencd.sunsite.dk/md5sum.exe
[09:21:10] <alex_joni> ...
[09:21:20] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.fourmilab.ch/md5/md5.zip#!md5!b14e189e965e5ed523282d3c8ee6c945
[09:21:30] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.fourmilab.ch/md5/md5.zip
[09:21:37] <A-L-P-H-A> http://downloads.activestate.com/contrib/md5sum/Windows/md5sum.exe
[09:21:51] <A-L-P-H-A> trevorb: if we're overloading you... please tell us...
[09:22:13] <A-L-P-H-A> short explaination of md5sum. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Md5sum
[09:23:18] <trevorb> yep, probably going a little quick for me, but something I need to do, now and for the future.
[09:23:39] <A-L-P-H-A> okay
[09:23:40] <A-L-P-H-A> 1.
[09:24:06] <A-L-P-H-A> 1.) unzip/copy md5sum.exe into the same folder/directory as emc2-ubuntu6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[09:24:19] <A-L-P-H-A> 2.) in dos... type md5sum emc2-ubuntu6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[09:24:38] <A-L-P-H-A> 3.) see what the result was... and see if it matches this "6ee5048eb9cb424aa030dfedccc5386b" without quotes.
[09:24:40] <trevorb> righto done
[09:24:48] <trevorb> step 1 that is
[09:24:53] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[09:25:28] <trevorb> how long should it take?
[09:25:35] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe a minute or two for @2.
[09:25:36] <A-L-P-H-A> #2
[09:26:06] <A-L-P-H-A> it's a big file... it's gotta read the whole file, and do a little math on it, to give you a long hex number (as shown above).
[09:26:14] <trevorb> reply is: ce9be16d5746408c9ed13ba93b88bbae
[09:26:23] <A-L-P-H-A> okay... that image is bad.
[09:26:24] <alex_joni> trevorb: busted download :(
[09:26:35] <alex_joni> trevorb: where are you located? new zeeland?
[09:26:44] <trevorb> Yep
[09:26:51] <alex_joni> what kind of internet access?
[09:26:54] <trevorb> actually new zealand
[09:26:59] <trevorb> dsl
[09:27:01] <alex_joni> trevorb: sorry ;)
[09:27:04] <A-L-P-H-A> download from here. http://linuxcnc.org/iso/emc2-ubuntu6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[09:27:04] <alex_joni> dsl... ?
[09:27:12] <A-L-P-H-A> digital subscriber line
[09:27:12] <alex_joni> check the speed on that..
[09:27:23] <A-L-P-H-A> trevorb: download from here. http://linuxcnc.org/iso/emc2-ubuntu6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[09:27:24] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: I know what it means.. but that doesn't say the speed
[09:27:28] <trevorb> approx 3-5mb
[09:27:45] <A-L-P-H-A> 3-5 mB/s... should be done in 30 minutes. :D
[09:28:11] <A-L-P-H-A> I was done, burned and installed in under 45 minutes. [I was eager]
[09:28:24] <alex_joni> trevorb: what speed are you getting?
[09:28:30] <trevorb> those speeds on a good day. Haven't actually checked. ISPs & telcos are a little slow here
[09:28:47] <A-L-P-H-A> how's the weather in kiwiland?
[09:28:59] <alex_joni> trevorb: I'd suggest something like the Free Download Manager to help you download it
[09:29:02] <alex_joni> does resume & all
[09:29:17] <alex_joni> http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/
[09:29:25] <A-L-P-H-A> trevorb: if you use firefox... search for the extension "downthemall"
[09:29:34] <trevorb> OK, I'll look into the download manager
[09:29:37] <alex_joni> trevorb: there is an alternate mirror: http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/emc2-ubuntu6.06-desktop-i386.iso
[09:29:48] <alex_joni> check which one works faster for you, and use that one
[09:30:53] <A-L-P-H-A> or a good download manager would allow you go for both at the same time, and merge the parts together.
[09:31:02] <trevorb> Thanks guys for the advice. I'll get the new file, and try again later.
[09:31:08] <A-L-P-H-A> getRight I know does that... but it's commercial. pooh.
[09:31:46] <trevorb> This is my first visit to this irc, and like what I see. Thanks again. Good bye.
[09:32:06] <alex_joni> no problem..
[09:33:08] <A-L-P-H-A> bye
[09:43:47] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni: http://www.lloydleung.com/2006/10/09/howto-getting-emc-livecd-ubuntu-dapper-drake/ bookmark for the future?
[09:44:49] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni: http://www.lloydleung.com/2006/08/12/parody-at-its-best/
[09:45:25] <anonimasu> hm
[09:45:36] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: ?
[09:45:40] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A pokes anonimasu in the eye
[09:46:02] <anonimasu> * anonimasu lol
[09:46:19] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: don't you want to play with wii?
[09:46:39] <anonimasu> yeah :D
[09:46:51] <A-L-P-H-A> she's not hot at all... but the parody is funny.
[09:47:11] <anonimasu> yep
[09:47:19] <anonimasu> i'll be making chips tonight
[09:47:28] <A-L-P-H-A> I made alu chips tonight too!
[09:47:34] <A-L-P-H-A> I milled down this heatsink.
[09:47:44] <A-L-P-H-A> it was originally H shaped... it's a big heat sink.
[09:47:58] <anonimasu> hehe :D
[09:48:07] <anonimasu> I wonder if my spindle will handle 6krpm
[09:48:10] <A-L-P-H-A> it was 4" x 4" x " 7.5"... shaped like anH.
[09:48:14] <A-L-P-H-A> an "H"
[09:48:45] <A-L-P-H-A> I used the bandsaw, and cut the "H" into two "T"s... then I had to mill the legs of the T off...
[09:48:48] <anonimasu> it might blow up and throw sharpnel all around the shop
[09:48:49] <A-L-P-H-A> which is what I did .
[09:48:50] <anonimasu> boom.
[09:49:00] <A-L-P-H-A> sheet metal shields.
[09:49:06] <A-L-P-H-A> safety goggles.
[09:49:33] <anonimasu> I were just kidding
[09:49:34] <A-L-P-H-A> lead apron's.
[09:49:43] <anonimasu> haha
[09:49:47] <A-L-P-H-A> no bullet resistant lexan?
[09:49:50] <anonimasu> no
[09:49:57] <A-L-P-H-A> GF as human shield?
[09:50:03] <anonimasu> :~/
[09:50:16] <A-L-P-H-A> E-stop?
[09:50:30] <anonimasu> no
[09:50:36] <A-L-P-H-A> I have my escape key. :)
[09:50:42] <A-L-P-H-A> I have an E-stop... two actually... just not setup.
[09:50:51] <anonimasu> I'm going to order one..
[09:50:56] <A-L-P-H-A> why?? cause... I'm rebuilding my power supply case.
[09:50:57] <anonimasu> I need to wire the plc.. first
[09:51:07] <A-L-P-H-A> plc to control what?
[09:51:15] <anonimasu> everthing?
[09:51:20] <anonimasu> all external io
[09:51:21] <A-L-P-H-A> no computer to do this?
[09:51:28] <anonimasu> yeah the motion..
[09:51:37] <A-L-P-H-A> how are things wired up for you? just wondering?
[09:51:39] <A-L-P-H-A> wondering.
[09:51:50] <anonimasu> wired up?
[09:52:03] <anonimasu> Im using a usc..
[09:52:13] <anonimasu> and well im going to do rs232 to the plc..
[09:52:13] <A-L-P-H-A> what's a usc?
[09:52:14] <A-L-P-H-A> brb...
[09:52:19] <alex_joni> wired?
[09:52:21] <alex_joni> http://www.goodlaughter.com/funnypictures/pics/wireless.jpg
[09:52:21] <anonimasu> universal stepper controller..
[09:53:14] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: who's YC?
[09:53:53] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni: ... YC is the initials of one of my best friends.
[09:55:07] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni: she's kind of scary looknig
[09:55:08] <A-L-P-H-A> :(
[09:55:30] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: rs232? old skewl... why not i2c or was it ic2?
[09:55:37] <A-L-P-H-A> single wire communications.
[09:56:05] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: write me stuff for doing canbus..
[09:56:06] <anonimasu> :D
[09:56:14] <A-L-P-H-A> what's canbus?
[09:56:41] <anonimasu> what they use car's and for machines..
[09:56:49] <anonimasu> a way of sending data
[09:57:02] <anonimasu> http://www.interfacebus.com/Design_Connector_CAN.html
[09:58:53] <alex_joni> opencan is pretty well supported under linux I heard :)
[09:59:02] <alex_joni> linux4can or something like that
[09:59:22] <anonimasu> yeah, but there really is no point.
[09:59:34] <alex_joni> http://www.port.de/software/can4linux/index.html
[09:59:44] <anonimasu> I could order a module to do ethernet..
[09:59:51] <anonimasu> and compile rcslib on the plc..
[10:00:06] <anonimasu> though that'd be expensive as hell..
[10:01:56] <anonimasu> :)
[10:02:04] <anonimasu> and can is really a mess :)
[10:07:14] <anonimasu> hm, I guess I killed the conversation :/&
[10:07:31] <A-L-P-H-A> nah....
[10:07:41] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm justwatching some NSFW videos
[10:08:51] <A-L-P-H-A> I wonder what the machine feedrate is for copper blocks.
[10:09:02] <A-L-P-H-A> make myself a nice CU waterblock for my CPU.
[10:10:08] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: ts ts
[10:10:11] <alex_joni> where from?
[10:10:12] <alex_joni> :D
[10:11:14] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni: slutaddict.com/ as I can't do /msgs as I'm not logged in.
[10:11:17] <anonimasu> hehe
[10:11:27] <A-L-P-H-A> Now I realize why k'zan wasn't getting my msgs... cause I wasn't logged in!
[10:11:29] <A-L-P-H-A> dah.
[10:12:29] <anonimasu> use memoserv..
[10:13:08] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: that's about my wiring then the plc to the coolant and spindle on/off
[10:13:11] <A-L-P-H-A> can't, if I'm not logged in.
[10:13:13] <anonimasu> and the cfd..
[10:13:14] <anonimasu> vfd..
[10:14:35] <A-L-P-H-A> oh wow... I could script from a bunch of languages with xchat
[10:15:32] <A-L-P-H-A> interesting...
[10:15:37] <A-L-P-H-A> just need to pick a language... no php.
[10:15:43] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm partial to that... but there is C. :)
[10:16:06] <anonimasu> that's about how my wiring looks..
[10:16:49] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: ? what are you referring to?
[10:16:54] <A-L-P-H-A> I see no links, or files.
[10:17:01] <A-L-P-H-A> I need to register...
[10:17:01] <anonimasu> http://www.pico-systems.com/univstep.html
[10:17:09] <anonimasu> referring to?
[10:19:36] <anonimasu> that's probably the only link about my wiring ;9
[10:19:42] <anonimasu> then there's 2 geckos right now
[10:19:51] <anonimasu> and one other servo with integrated drive
[10:20:02] <A-L-P-H-A> wait... isn't that the thing that's really expensive?
[10:20:06] <A-L-P-H-A> is that better than grex?
[10:20:15] <anonimasu> dunno
[10:20:42] <A-L-P-H-4> A-L-P-H-4 is now known as A-L-P-H-A
[10:21:16] <A-L-P-H-A> this is okay
[10:21:20] <anonimasu> I think it's 250$
[10:21:21] <A-L-P-H-A> mirc under wine.
[10:21:25] <A-L-P-H-A> urk
[10:21:33] <anonimasu> but I dunno if it's better then grex..
[10:21:38] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe if I had a bridgeport, or some big iron
[10:21:46] <anonimasu> the usc?
[10:21:53] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah...
[10:22:02] <anonimasu> oh.. if you want speed and precision..
[10:22:03] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't NEED the speeds, as my machine couldn't handle them for cutting anyways.
[10:22:09] <A-L-P-H-A> I have precision.
[10:22:13] <A-L-P-H-A> well.
[10:22:17] <A-L-P-H-A> I have the resolution.
[10:22:19] <alex_joni> anonimasu: grex is not really better :D
[10:22:32] <alex_joni> only a tid bit more modern :D
[10:22:58] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: I want both,..
[10:22:59] <A-L-P-H-A> it's 125ns/step.
[10:23:30] <A-L-P-H-A> oops
[10:23:40] <A-L-P-H-A> max step freq is 4.194304 MHz
[10:23:45] <anonimasu> for the grex?
[10:23:48] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah
[10:24:18] <A-L-P-H-A> lots of IO ports
[10:24:31] <anonimasu> 250,000steps/s for the usc
[10:24:40] <A-L-P-H-A> so like 20times more
[10:24:57] <A-L-P-H-A> but OMG the G100 is $400USD
[10:25:25] <A-L-P-H-A> okay... G101 is $208
[10:25:25] <anonimasu> maybe for another machien..
[10:25:26] <anonimasu> :D
[10:25:43] <anonimasu> the usc will probably rock..
[10:26:17] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm about to sell my G201 Rev 1, and two G201 Rev 3. to my neightbour...
[10:26:22] <A-L-P-H-A> man.
[10:26:55] <anonimasu> why arent you using them?
[10:27:39] <A-L-P-H-A> I have 5 Gecko G201s... plus another 3 (which I don't know if they're dead or alive... I'm pretty sure two are dead, but Mariss said otherwise)
[10:27:46] <A-L-P-H-A> 8 Geckos in total.
[10:28:14] <A-L-P-H-A> I only need 3 really... and just switch the power supply around for them.
[10:28:36] <anonimasu> 250khz is the limit for the geckos..
[10:28:58] <A-L-P-H-A> did you go through with the hydraulic motor?
[10:29:04] <anonimasu> I could yes
[10:29:15] <A-L-P-H-A> so no, you didn't, 'yet'
[10:29:19] <anonimasu> err
[10:29:27] <anonimasu> yes.. i did
[10:30:01] <A-L-P-H-A> okay...
[10:30:09] <A-L-P-H-A> how much was the whold hydraulic setup?
[10:30:11] <anonimasu> I were going to write if I were entirely serious I'd buy real servodrives.. instead of step/dir servos..
[10:30:20] <anonimasu> I told you before remember?
[10:30:24] <anonimasu> * anonimasu cant remember the price
[10:30:32] <A-L-P-H-A> I was wondering if you totalled it up.
[10:30:38] <anonimasu> no
[10:31:16] <anonimasu> less then 1000..
[10:31:20] <anonimasu> err 1000$
[10:32:04] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm...
[10:32:18] <A-L-P-H-A> I'd need to replace my spindle bearings as well if I were to do so.
[10:32:33] <A-L-P-H-A> my machine wouldn't really benefit from this... as my machine isn't rigid enough anyways.
[10:32:43] <anonimasu> yeah
[10:32:53] <A-L-P-H-A> if I had a shop, or a garage large enough to do this to a bridge port...
[10:33:07] <A-L-P-H-A> or lucky enough to get a schuablin [doubtful in north america]
[10:33:11] <anonimasu> I have the same torque from 0-6000rpm
[10:33:17] <anonimasu> :)
[10:33:34] <A-L-P-H-A> I got a schuablin lathe... I'm happy [super happy] with that.
[10:33:38] <anonimasu> * anonimasu too
[10:33:42] <anonimasu> I love both my schaublins
[10:34:08] <anonimasu> though I'm going to do a neater installation of the y ballscrew.. in a bit..
[10:34:18] <anonimasu> on the cnc :9
[10:34:20] <anonimasu> :)
[10:34:34] <anonimasu> im so amazed at the workmanship
[10:35:14] <anonimasu> the table at the bad/incomplete one for the cnc has 0.01mm deviation the last 1dm of the whole table..
[10:35:27] <anonimasu> the rest is flat..
[10:35:38] <anonimasu> so flat my indicator woudlnt move.. :)
[10:35:39] <A-L-P-H-A> I can bearly machine at 20ipm... err... 508mm/min.
[10:35:45] <anonimasu> :/
[10:36:36] <anonimasu> im aiming for (6000*3)*0.075
[10:36:40] <A-L-P-H-A> that's just grinding... grinding is pretty easy...
[10:37:14] <A-L-P-H-A> to get flat.
[10:37:40] <anonimasu> heh..
[10:37:58] <A-L-P-H-A> I think I'm going to upgrade my geckos from G201 to the G212.
[10:38:13] <anonimasu> 1350mm/min
[10:38:15] <anonimasu> slow :/
[10:39:03] <A-L-P-H-A> I could jump from 20IPM to x2 to x10 that speed... if motors are able to jump that fast.
[10:39:07] <A-L-P-H-A> doubtful.
[10:39:43] <A-L-P-H-A> I also have an AC power supply for my C axis on my lathe... :D
[10:39:51] <A-L-P-H-A> albeit, I haven't really used it much at all.
[10:39:57] <A-L-P-H-A> [at all really]
[10:40:05] <A-L-P-H-A> I really should finish my highspeed spindle.
[10:40:07] <anonimasu> :)
[10:40:12] <anonimasu> why not use a router spindle?
[10:40:28] <anonimasu> I hope I'll be able to machine within 0.01.. a good day ;)
[10:40:40] <anonimasu> and a bad one :D
[10:40:42] <A-L-P-H-A> can't mount it on my lathe... a Schuablin 102 is pretty small.
[10:41:05] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe a dremal
[10:41:07] <anonimasu> I wonder whats a reasonable precision..
[10:41:07] <A-L-P-H-A> dremel
[10:41:22] <A-L-P-H-A> reasonable presision is relative.
[10:41:28] <anonimasu> for my setup..
[10:41:39] <anonimasu> what do you really need?
[10:41:53] <A-L-P-H-A> with a schaublin, original... +/- 0.01mm should be there...
[10:42:11] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, I need 12K rpm, to mill Titanium with 1/32 endmills.
[10:42:22] <A-L-P-H-A> moving at 1ipm. (one inch per minute)
[10:42:42] <anonimasu> hm..
[10:42:57] <anonimasu> crap that's slow
[10:42:59] <A-L-P-H-A> see my 'problem'
[10:43:16] <anonimasu> if I were you I'd look into getting a hf spindle off ebay
[10:43:20] <A-L-P-H-A> also needs to be ridgid, with near zero play.
[10:43:27] <A-L-P-H-A> HF?
[10:43:32] <anonimasu> high frequency
[10:43:32] <A-L-P-H-A> habour freight?
[10:43:50] <A-L-P-H-A> I made a spindle right now...
[10:44:18] <A-L-P-H-A> aluminum shaft, housing three 15K rpm bearings...
[10:44:52] <A-L-P-H-A> with a ER collect holder inside.
[10:45:19] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[10:45:25] <anonimasu> well it's all in the bearings
[10:45:42] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah
[10:45:47] <A-L-P-H-A> ER11 collect holder actually
[10:46:01] <anonimasu> :)
[10:46:03] <anonimasu> tiny
[10:46:13] <anonimasu> I'm really looking forward to powering up my spindle
[10:46:24] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah.
[10:46:32] <A-L-P-H-A> but the endmills are 1/8shaft, with 1/32 tips
[10:46:44] <A-L-P-H-A> so how big does it need to be??
[10:46:49] <anonimasu> my spindle?
[10:46:52] <A-L-P-H-A> it's a specialized tool I'm making....
[10:46:54] <anonimasu> or what?
[10:46:58] <A-L-P-H-A> me! me! me!
[10:47:03] <A-L-P-H-A> it's always about me
[10:47:18] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni has gone off looking at the NSFW website.
[10:47:58] <anonimasu> big enough to fit your bearings..
[10:48:03] <A-L-P-H-A> oh.
[10:48:20] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah... it's like a 2.5" alum bar, that I bored out, and reamed to the size of my bearings...
[10:48:40] <A-L-P-H-A> couple of drops of loctite bearing retainer... and those bearings aren't coming out unless I heat the billet tube.
[10:48:48] <anonimasu> :)
[10:48:57] <A-L-P-H-A> bearings held in by retainer clicps... as the forces I'm applying at low.
[10:49:05] <anonimasu> no shims?
[10:49:09] <A-L-P-H-A> at=are
[10:49:17] <anonimasu> or what kind of bearings do you have?
[10:49:17] <A-L-P-H-A> no no shims.
[10:49:24] <A-L-P-H-A> NSK I believe.
[10:49:41] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah. they're NSK bearings, rubber sealed.
[10:50:04] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: only for a short while.. kinda busy now :D
[10:50:06] <A-L-P-H-A> 1/2" id, looks like 1.25" od... or something
[10:50:10] <anonimasu> that's bad for a spindle
[10:50:24] <A-L-P-H-A> quit f'wapping.
[10:50:29] <anonimasu> the grease wont last forever
[10:50:40] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu... bearings can be replaced.
[10:50:45] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu... just a pain.
[10:50:54] <anonimasu> expensive bearings..
[10:51:09] <A-L-P-H-A> err... I can't remember... I think like $15/each.
[10:51:20] <anonimasu> 12k rpm!"#
[10:51:26] <anonimasu> with zero play/runout?
[10:51:49] <A-L-P-H-A> <shrug> I don't know how well this will work at all.
[10:52:05] <A-L-P-H-A> they're rated for 15K or 25K rpm I can't remember...
[10:52:05] <anonimasu> it probably will :9
[10:52:47] <anonimasu> what kind of loads are you expecting?
[10:53:00] <anonimasu> horizontal or vertical?
[10:53:14] <A-L-P-H-A> the loads are light... as I said... it's milling Titanium grade 5, at 1ipm with a 1/32 endmill.
[10:53:45] <A-L-P-H-A> I would be grooving TI grade 5 cylinders.
[10:54:03] <anonimasu> will you be plunging ?
[10:54:19] <A-L-P-H-A> very slightly. http://members.rennlist.com/statmandesigns/
[10:54:43] <anonimasu> ok shouldnt be a problem then :)
[10:55:06] <A-L-P-H-A> he's been doing this on a sherline...
[10:55:56] <anonimasu> ^_^
[10:56:05] <anonimasu> ti is a cool material
[10:56:09] <A-L-P-H-A> sherline lathe and micromill.
[10:56:15] <A-L-P-H-A> never played with it.
[10:56:31] <anonimasu> me neither
[10:57:22] <anonimasu> *yawns*
[10:57:44] <anonimasu> I have a 32000rpm air grinder..
[10:57:51] <anonimasu> that i'll use for engraving..
[10:58:14] <A-L-P-H-A> serious?
[10:58:20] <A-L-P-H-A> DAMN you have more cool tools than me.
[10:58:25] <anonimasu> yeah
[10:58:32] <A-L-P-H-A> wanna sell it? :D
[10:58:34] <anonimasu> it cost something like 120$
[10:58:35] <anonimasu> ;)
[10:58:58] <A-L-P-H-A> how's the bearings in that thing?
[10:59:06] <anonimasu> dunno
[10:59:28] <anonimasu> http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HIGH-SPEED-MICRO-PENCIL-DIE-GRINDER-AIR_W0QQitemZ7606123828QQcategoryZ109560QQcmdZViewItem
[10:59:46] <anonimasu> err sorry I miswrote the rpm ;)
[11:00:00] <A-L-P-H-A> okay... those bearings aren't great.
[11:00:12] <A-L-P-H-A> great for like hand free stuff... but not precision milling.
[11:00:29] <A-L-P-H-A> statman was doing his as 10Krpm, with that stuff.
[11:00:52] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe it'll help if I flood cool the tip of the endmill.
[11:01:04] <anonimasu> yeah..
[11:01:06] <anonimasu> that'll help
[11:01:23] <anonimasu> with thoose airgrinders you need oil and air..
[11:01:28] <anonimasu> otherwise they dont last 5 minutes
[11:02:05] <A-L-P-H-A> I also would like something alittle more quiet.
[11:02:15] <anonimasu> lol
[11:02:30] <A-L-P-H-A> http://cgi.ebay.com/NEW-HIGH-SPEED-AIR-MICRO-GRINDER-56000-RPM-90-PSI_W0QQitemZ230036335703QQihZ013QQcategoryZ55809QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[11:03:35] <anonimasu> http://www.homemetalshopclub.org/news/feb04/feb04.html
[11:07:53] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, INTERESTING.
[11:09:03] <anonimasu> are you being sarcastic?
[11:09:12] <A-L-P-H-A> no. serious.
[11:09:19] <anonimasu> I like the airplane bolts
[11:09:22] <anonimasu> amazing!
[11:09:22] <anonimasu> :D
[11:11:41] <anonimasu> http://www.homemetalshopclub.org/news/feb03/feb03.html
[11:11:46] <anonimasu> mini air toolpost grinder
[11:13:42] <A-L-P-H-A> I have a grinder mechanism already.
[11:13:50] <anonimasu> not on the schaublin?!
[11:13:54] <A-L-P-H-A> for my lathe.
[11:13:57] <A-L-P-H-A> I do.
[11:14:00] <A-L-P-H-A> it came with one.
[11:14:00] <anonimasu> :/
[11:14:19] <A-L-P-H-A> it came with a XYZ tables... and I made an CNC indexable head for it...
[11:14:28] <A-L-P-H-A> but it already had an indexable head [pins]
[11:14:33] <anonimasu> :)
[11:14:33] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't grind anything on it at all.
[11:14:38] <anonimasu> good choice
[11:14:50] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm not gonna get DUST everywhere on it.
[11:15:08] <anonimasu> if im going to grind I'm going to put pressure inside the slide
[11:15:17] <anonimasu> and inside the bearings..
[11:15:25] <anonimasu> and use coolant..
[11:16:00] <anonimasu> I'll be needing a grinder someday soon
[11:16:03] <anonimasu> for some shafts :)
[11:16:07] <A-L-P-H-A> it's got a rheostat 1/2HP DC servo controlling the speed...
[11:16:26] <A-L-P-H-A> if I need something ground... I'll do it on my buddy's lathe. ;)
[11:16:32] <anonimasu> 1/2 hp? is that enough to grind?
[11:17:00] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu... I'll get a new cam soon... hate my razr's camera... and I'll document the stuff.
[11:17:04] <anonimasu> :9
[11:17:06] <anonimasu> :)
[11:18:12] <A-L-P-H-A> this air die grinder looks like a solution.
[11:18:21] <A-L-P-H-A> except my compressor is in the garage, and the lathe is in the basement.
[11:18:28] <A-L-P-H-A> hmmmmmmm.
[11:19:47] <A-L-P-H-A> brb
[11:23:18] <A-L-P-H-A> that was fun
[11:25:09] <anonimasu> wb
[11:25:11] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, also that grinder can be used to help cut gears.
[11:25:20] <A-L-P-H-A> err the schaublin grinder attachment
[11:25:28] <A-L-P-H-A> I got a bag full of gear cutters.
[11:25:33] <A-L-P-H-A> well, a sandwich bag full
[11:25:51] <A-L-P-H-A> okay. I need sleep
[11:25:53] <A-L-P-H-A> ciao for now
[11:25:57] <A-L-P-H-A> it's 7:26am...
[11:26:01] <A-L-P-H-A> and I'm still awake.
[11:26:02] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm insane
[11:26:14] <anonimasu> night
[13:00:30] <ValarQ> alex_joni: where did you find that quote?
[13:10:57] <Roguish> good morning all. are there problems with the mail lists?
[13:11:19] <Roguish> i have not received any emails from the lists since 10/1.
[13:11:34] <jepler> Roguish: I've gotten many messages since then. let me check when I got the last one.
[13:12:05] <Roguish> i miss my daily quota of chatter.
[13:12:19] <jepler> on the emc-developers list, I got a message at Sun, 08 Oct 2006 23:56:36 -0500
[13:12:44] <jepler> on emc-users the last message is Sat, 7 Oct 2006 08:31:31 -0500
[13:13:05] <rayh> we having list problems again?
[13:13:17] <jepler> rayh: not sure -- the list seems OK for me, but not for Roguish
[13:14:13] <jepler> the online archive seems to be busted again http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_id=33140&max_rows=25&style=ultimate&viewmonth=200610
[13:14:18] <rayh> I saw a pile of bounce notifications the other day.
[13:15:07] <jepler> there were two recent notes about problems sending to gmail addresses: http://sourceforge.net/docman/display_doc.php?docid=2352&group_id=1#1160059675
[13:16:45] <Roguish> i use my own domain: rodes dot biz
[13:16:54] <rayh> darn that's slow even for my dialup.
[13:17:16] <Roguish> and any of a number of email addresses.
[13:18:03] <Roguish> got to go now. pickup up a temp job with a company on a project at the NIF at LLNL.
[13:18:22] <Roguish> i will check back this evening. thanks.
[13:23:09] <fenn> good lord that stuff looks like something out of star wars
[13:30:11] <cradek> Roguish: your mails have been bouncing so your list membership was set to no-mail
[13:30:36] <cradek> I've deleted all the bounces but I think the error was "no such mailbox"
[13:33:19] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/man/man1/halcmd.1: markup fix
[13:33:34] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/components/sampler.c: fix format-string error
[13:34:10] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/halcmd.c:
[13:34:10] <CIA-8> use %ld plus a cast because on 64-bit machines these are longs and on 32-bit
[13:34:10] <CIA-8> machines they're ints
[13:34:36] <jepler> nobody told me that the hardest part of porting to a 64-bit system would be all the printfs
[13:35:04] <cradek> ha
[13:35:24] <cradek> that surprises me
[13:48:06] <Guest575> cradek: what size mill do you use for clearing copper?
[13:48:26] <Guest575> Guest575 is now known as Skunkworks_1
[13:48:34] <cradek> 1/16
[13:49:00] <cradek> same mill I use for cutting out the board at the end
[13:51:59] <Skunkworks_1> thanks. Still have to look at your script and see if I can get it to work on xp
[15:09:51] <alex_joni> ValarQ: http://twistedmatrix.com/pipermail/twisted-commits/2005-May/014215.html
[15:10:07] <ValarQ> oh, from twisted
[15:14:23] <anonimasu> hi
[15:14:48] <anonimasu> I've been to a doctor called feodora..
[15:16:18] <rayh_> anonimasu, and?
[15:17:09] <anonimasu> I woudnt go to her if I got really sick.
[15:17:37] <rayh_> Okay. That is useful info.
[15:17:43] <anonimasu> not really
[15:17:53] <anonimasu> it was a random quote with no coorelation to anyone..
[15:18:01] <rayh_> ah.
[15:18:23] <anonimasu> im tired :)
[15:18:26] <anonimasu> how are you doing?
[15:19:05] <rayh_> Good. I think.
[16:01:51] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/.swish_config: exclude more generated files
[16:08:41] <jepler> hi Lerneaen_Hydra
[16:10:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hi jepler
[16:10:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> anything new?
[16:12:42] <jepler> not really
[16:20:30] <alex_joni> * alex_joni yawns
[16:21:35] <SWPadnos> this is pretty amazing: http://www.wunderground.com/cgi-bin/findweather/getForecast?query=05452
[16:22:02] <SWPadnos> I may have to change into shorts
[16:22:44] <jepler> a high of 69 and you want to wear shorts?
[16:22:53] <SWPadnos> yeah, it's friggin hot in the sun
[16:23:07] <SWPadnos> of course, I'm staying inside for most of the day ;)
[16:24:38] <alex_joni> ewwww
[16:24:51] <alex_joni> over here it opens in romanian language
[16:24:53] <alex_joni> :/
[16:25:04] <SWPadnos> interesting
[16:41:09] <alex_joni> that's intrusive
[17:24:00] <cradek> poor ray
[17:24:16] <alex_joni> yeah :/
[17:24:28] <alex_joni> * alex_joni remembers beeing in the same boat a while ago
[17:25:07] <cradek> * cradek remembers being in the same boat 8 years ago or so
[17:25:11] <alex_joni> yeah..
[17:25:23] <SWPadnos> you guys hada boat?
[17:25:26] <alex_joni> heh, reminds me when we first had an email address
[17:25:27] <SWPadnos> wow
[17:25:31] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: I still have one
[17:25:36] <cradek> I bet it's worse now because the average web page is now much bigger
[17:25:45] <SWPadnos> all I have is a kayak :)
[17:25:57] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: this ain't much larger
[17:25:58] <cradek> all I have is an innertube
[17:26:14] <SWPadnos> it's kinda funny how (in the US at least) there hasn't been a major ISP speed increase in years
[17:26:18] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: 4m ling, 60cm wide, glassfiber
[17:26:23] <alex_joni> long even
[17:26:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what's the standard speed in the US?
[17:26:34] <SWPadnos> hmmm - my kayak is 17.5 ft
[17:26:35] <alex_joni> 60mph
[17:26:40] <SWPadnos> heh
[17:26:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> >.<
[17:26:45] <alex_joni> j/k
[17:27:02] <SWPadnos> you can get DSL or cable, usually up to ~2-6 Mbits/s
[17:27:07] <cradek> >1 Mbps is typical
[17:27:09] <alex_joni> cradek: back in 94? we had our first email account
[17:27:16] <alex_joni> we used an dial-up line to vienna :D
[17:27:27] <SWPadnos> there are a few higher speed plans available, but they're very expensive fro higher speeds, and only available in limited areas
[17:27:28] <cradek> up speed is very slow for me still today
[17:27:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> >1mbps....
[17:27:41] <SWPadnos> yep - I have 2 mbits/s down and 256k up
[17:27:54] <cradek> two millibits?
[17:27:54] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: same here.. (at home)
[17:27:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> you mean <1mbp/s?
[17:28:00] <SWPadnos> heh
[17:28:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ssshh ;)
[17:28:06] <SWPadnos> seems that way sometimes ;)
[17:28:09] <cradek> that IS slow
[17:28:17] <SWPadnos> almost as slow as Ray
[17:28:24] <SWPadnos> 's connection
[17:28:28] <alex_joni> ray counts in picobits
[17:28:30] <cradek> haha
[17:28:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> and here I was thinking that 8/1 was bad
[17:28:45] <bill20r3> 1.5/640
[17:28:53] <bill20r3> and I like it!
[17:28:59] <SWPadnos> Verizon has FIOS in limited areas, and that goes up to 30/5 M
[17:29:05] <SWPadnos> but that's $190/month
[17:29:07] <cradek> I might have 512kb/s up
[17:29:19] <alex_joni> I have 512/512 at work .. for 100$ / month :D
[17:29:37] <alex_joni> but guaranteed 99.6% uptime
[17:29:49] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders how they came up with that number :)
[17:30:52] <SWPadnos> ~2 hours/year downtime?
[17:30:55] <alex_joni> but that's only internet access (not .ro), for .ro it goes up to 50/50M
[17:31:02] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: a bit more I think
[17:31:27] <SWPadnos> err - right
[17:31:40] <SWPadnos> ~ 1 day/year
[17:31:50] <alex_joni> almost 2 days
[17:31:57] <alex_joni> but yeah..
[17:32:08] <SWPadnos> whatever - I've only had one pot of coffee today
[17:32:49] <cradek> http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20061006-7924.html
[17:34:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> there must be some better way of transferring large files between users on a linux box locally than ssh-ing the other, right?
[17:34:59] <SWPadnos> ftp
[17:35:09] <cradek> you mean between users on one box?
[17:35:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yeah
[17:35:21] <cradek> cp?
[17:35:32] <cradek> maybe I don't understand the question
[17:35:33] <bill20r3> you coule put them in a common group.
[17:35:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> from one non-root user's home dir to another
[17:35:44] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: copy to /tmp
[17:35:50] <alex_joni> anyone can write/read there
[17:35:50] <cradek> cp ~otheruser/file ~
[17:36:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> / is small /home is big
[17:36:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra> cradek: ah!
[17:36:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra> right
[17:36:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh
[17:36:17] <Lerneaen_Hydra> waut
[17:36:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I can't accsess that folder
[17:36:38] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: then I suggest you fix the permissions :D
[17:36:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> each user is non-root
[17:36:46] <cradek> that's a problem then
[17:36:52] <alex_joni> chmod g+x ..
[17:36:59] <cradek> you have to set permissions to allow what you want
[17:37:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hmm yeah that would work
[17:37:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> if I was root
[17:37:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I guess ssh will make do for now
[17:37:21] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: you can still do chmod as a user
[17:37:26] <cradek> otheruser has to let you read his file
[17:37:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra> seems mighty cpu-wasteful though ;)
[17:37:32] <SWPadnos> each user should be able to change their own files
[17:37:36] <alex_joni> I usually make a ~/public with 777
[17:37:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, yeah
[17:37:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> duh
[17:37:45] <alex_joni> that way others can copy stuff there
[17:37:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> *headsmack*
[17:39:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra has only recently found out about X11 tunneling over ssh, and how useful it is
[18:14:02] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/configs/max/max.hal: this is unnecessary now that halscope is on the menu
[18:50:32] <alex_joni> anyone got apache2 experience?
[18:50:33] <alex_joni> [Mon Oct 09 21:45:33 2006] [error] [client] File does not exist: /htdocs
[18:50:36] <alex_joni> [Mon Oct 09 21:45:35 2006] [error] [client] File does not exist: /htdocs
[18:52:44] <SWPadnos> so you tried to browse to http://whatever.com/htdocs ?
[18:53:43] <alex_joni> no..
[18:53:46] <alex_joni> whatever/
[18:53:56] <alex_joni> Not Found
[18:53:57] <alex_joni> The requested URL / was not found on this server.
[18:54:06] <SWPadnos> are you trying to configure .htaccess files?
[18:54:08] <SWPadnos> oh
[18:54:41] <alex_joni> not that I know..
[18:54:42] <alex_joni> DocumentRoot /var/www
[18:55:14] <SWPadnos> and there is a directory /var/www, that the apache user has rights to?
[18:55:27] <alex_joni> it seems to be owned by root:root oddly
[18:55:32] <alex_joni> but it's 775
[18:55:37] <alex_joni> so it should be readable
[18:55:58] <SWPadnos> ok. you should get a directory listing if there's no index.html file there
[18:56:14] <SWPadnos> did you just change the conf file(s)?
[18:56:40] <SWPadnos> (you may ned a HUP for apache, or httpd restart)
[18:56:55] <alex_joni> restarted it a few times
[18:57:12] <SWPadnos> heh - I'm probably not telling you anything you don't already know ;)
[18:57:21] <alex_joni> :(
[18:57:37] <alex_joni> ha.. I think I suspect something
[18:57:56] <alex_joni> this is a box (192.168.1.something) running behind a NAT with DMZ
[18:58:08] <alex_joni> bet apache has problems with requests coming to a different IP
[18:58:44] <SWPadnos> are you trying to access it from outside the NAT?
[18:58:50] <alex_joni> yes
[18:59:18] <SWPadnos> but the log lines show that the server tried to service a request, but couldn't find the file
[19:05:50] <alex_joni> * Forcing reload of apache 2.0 web server... apache2: Could not determine the server's fully qualified domain name, using for ServerName
[19:06:02] <SWPadnos> oops
[19:11:53] <alex_joni> it somehow listens only on tcp6..
[19:15:45] <anonimasu> iab
[19:15:57] <anonimasu> alex_joni: that's really odd :)
[19:16:57] <alex_joni> tcp6 0 0 :::80 :::* LISTEN -
[19:17:40] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/Makefile.modinc.in: fix for run-installed and ifneq thinko
[19:17:46] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/Makefile: make install fixes
[19:18:50] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/ (configure configure.in):
[19:18:50] <CIA-8> with the binary directory defined the old way, its expansion contained dollar
[19:18:50] <CIA-8> signs which screwed up config.h and some other stuff for run-installed
[19:19:10] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/comp.g: add --help
[19:19:59] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/debian/ (emc2-python.files control emc2-dev.files emc2.files rules): packaging fixes. now builds emc2, emc2-dev, and emc2-python (replaces emc2-axis)
[19:20:21] <cradek> woo
[19:23:00] <alpha-lappy> I broke ubuntu
[19:23:01] <alpha-lappy> :(
[19:23:09] <alpha-lappy> the system is so messed up righ tnow
[19:23:13] <alpha-lappy> bbiab
[19:23:23] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/debian/control: since I put comp in emc2-dev, make it have the right requirements
[19:23:27] <alpha-lappy> gdm won't start anymore, and just crashes
[19:25:57] <Skunkworks_1> alex_joni: http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=25464
[19:32:40] <alpha-lappy> oh man... I'm depressed
[19:32:52] <alpha-lappy> I feel sleepy... stupid computer is borked.
[19:33:01] <alpha-lappy> won't work in windows, locks up. won't work in linux, locks up
[19:33:20] <alpha-lappy> I think it's the video cards.
[19:33:24] <alpha-lappy> :(
[19:33:33] <alex_joni> Skunkworks_1: be my guest
[19:33:34] <alpha-lappy> bbl... after I'm not so depressed
[19:33:39] <alex_joni> I don't feel like answering that
[19:34:40] <cradek> next post will be "ok how do I set it up without reading any documentation?"
[19:34:41] <alex_joni> "yes it can, it can drive puma, scara, hexapods(mini-tetra), etc typed non-linear machines/robots. No, it was not a trash download"
[19:35:17] <SWPadnos> "stop being an idiot and read some of those docs you just downloaded"
[19:35:57] <alex_joni> "this program was hard to write, it should be hard to use"
[19:36:19] <SWPadnos> "and even harder to understand"
[19:45:21] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/tcl/bin/pickconfig.tcl: still not sure I like this wording
[19:46:53] <cradek> I wanted to change "make a copy ... to" into "make a copy ... in" or "copy ... to" but I got hung up on clarifying whether or not this is an error. more opinions welcome.
[19:47:39] <jepler> prepositions have no meaning..
[19:47:53] <cradek> this will be one of the very first things a user sees, and it's asking a question that he's probably not going to understand, and he's going to wonder if it's an error.
[19:48:33] <SWPadnos> I'd replace ".ini and .hal files" with "configuration" or "setup"
[19:49:17] <cradek> it would be nice if it were phrased in the positive, avoiding "cannot write to" and "will be unable to"
[19:49:28] <SWPadnos> and the last sentence may be less user-unfriendly if it says something like "Do you want to make a copy of this configuration now"
[19:49:39] <cradek> that's exactly what I changed it to
[19:49:57] <cradek> err Do you want to copy the configuration now?
[19:50:01] <SWPadnos> no, it says "do you want to copy the configuration now"
[19:50:02] <SWPadnos> right
[19:50:15] <SWPadnos> make a copy of vs. copy
[19:50:36] <alex_joni> http://forum.ubuntu-fr.org/viewtopic.php?pid=354583
[19:50:46] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: exactly what I am seeing :(
[19:50:58] <alex_joni> unfortunately he wasn't so clever to actually say what he did :(
[19:51:13] <cradek> SWPadnos: I guess I don't understand why adding those words makes it friendlier
[19:51:51] <SWPadnos> I'm not sure - I just like it better
[19:52:06] <SWPadnos> it's more of an action "make a copy" vs a rhetorical question
[19:52:10] <cradek> I sure wouldn't argue except it adds words to an already-too-long thing
[19:52:16] <SWPadnos> yeah
[19:52:54] <cradek> it's replacing an active, precise verb "copy" with a generic one, "make"
[19:53:14] <SWPadnos> users aren't precise ;)
[19:53:28] <cradek> sorry, I'm a language geek
[19:53:39] <cradek> I bit my lip about the passive voice "It is recommended" too
[19:54:00] <Skunkworks_1> you guys are great :)
[19:54:02] <cradek> maybe the more weak/passive the statement the "friendlier"
[19:54:11] <SWPadnos> "You'd better make a copy RIGHT NOW!" <yes> <no> <detonate>
[19:54:13] <cradek> if so I'm not the one to fix it :-)
[19:55:23] <SWPadnos> what doesn't work when you have no write access?
[19:55:33] <SWPadnos> of course, you can't save the var file
[19:55:35] <cradek> at least offsets in axis
[19:55:42] <cradek> yes the var file is the problem
[19:55:43] <SWPadnos> hmmm
[19:55:59] <Skunkworks_1> This is a sample config - Do you want to copy it to your home directory so you can make changes to it?
[19:56:08] <bill20r3> El3cti1c CARS WILL SAVE US ALL!!!!11
[19:56:14] <bill20r3> err, sorry.
[19:56:18] <anonimasu> bill20r3: NIEC!
[19:56:19] <cradek> * cradek kicks bill20r3
[19:56:24] <cradek> hahaha
[19:56:27] <SWPadnos> thank you, Doctor Bill
[19:56:38] <anonimasu> ^_^
[19:56:44] <anonimasu> now tell us about something useful
[19:56:50] <bill20r3> I'm converting my lathe to solar
[19:56:55] <bill20r3> 1 rpm
[19:56:59] <cradek> Skunkworks_1: I actually like yours a lot better
[19:57:31] <SWPadnos> yeah, I like that as well
[19:57:40] <cradek> Skunkworks_1: the only thing it doesn't say is that the config needs to be writable to work completely right
[19:57:50] <cradek> (which is really unfortunate)
[19:57:51] <SWPadnos> does a user care?
[19:58:18] <SWPadnos> how about "this is a sample config which can't be modified. Do you want to make a copy so you can change it?"
[19:58:21] <cradek> well, offsets not working is bad I think
[19:58:30] <Skunkworks_1> SWPadnos: perfect
[19:58:48] <anonimasu> offsets as the work offsets?
[19:58:52] <Skunkworks_1> but where are you copying it to?
[19:58:58] <anonimasu> g52.1 ? or whatever it was..
[19:59:12] <SWPadnos> does it matter at this screen?
[19:59:22] <cradek> anonimasu: the thing you get when you click the offset button
[19:59:28] <cradek> anonimasu: in a sample config, it doesn't do anything
[19:59:50] <cradek> SWPadnos: I seriously don't know
[20:00:04] <Skunkworks_1> This is a sample config which cannot be modified. Do you want to copy it into your home/emc2 directory so you can edit it?
[20:00:06] <anonimasu> cradek: you mean zeroing the machine?
[20:00:12] <Skunkworks_1> that is kind long winded
[20:00:13] <cradek> SWPadnos: it looks like a bug if you click offset and it doesn't work.
[20:00:44] <cradek> SWPadnos: maybe it depends why you're running the sample config
[20:01:00] <SWPadnos> true
[20:01:05] <Skunkworks_1> I think you need to tell a newbie where it is going also
[20:01:11] <anonimasu> Skunkworks_1: "so that you can edit it"
[20:01:19] <anonimasu> or would that be even more long winded?
[20:01:20] <anonimasu> or be wrong?
[20:01:30] <cradek> "so's you can edit it"
[20:01:50] <Skunkworks_1> now now - be nice :)
[20:01:56] <anonimasu> we are..
[20:02:17] <cradek> I was serious right up until "so's"
[20:02:47] <anonimasu> I think it's important to be verbose..
[20:02:55] <anonimasu> atleast for the first time users
[20:03:09] <cradek> I think it's important to be terse so the user actually reads through it
[20:03:22] <cradek> dialogs like this are an obstacle and the user will just click things until it goes away
[20:03:40] <cradek> they'll generally just click the default button
[20:03:49] <alex_joni> hmm.. found the problem :(
[20:03:58] <cradek> ... and have a vague impression that the software errored on them
[20:04:00] <Skunkworks_1> STOP!! - This is a sample config which cannot be modified. Do you want to copy it into your home/emc2 directory so you can edit it?
[20:04:02] <Skunkworks_1> :)
[20:04:04] <cradek> I'm actually serious
[20:04:25] <anonimasu> cradek: got a better idea on what to write?
[20:04:28] <alex_joni> stay away from edgy :(
[20:04:38] <alex_joni> darkgod@kjd:/$ sudo dpkg-reconfigure apache
[20:04:38] <alex_joni> /usr/sbin/dpkg-reconfigure: apache is broken or not fully installed
[20:04:48] <cradek> ouch
[20:05:04] <anonimasu> s/better/Shorter
[20:05:22] <cradek> anonimasu: no I'm not sure yet.
[20:05:22] <anonimasu> hm
[20:05:36] <anonimasu> from a builders point of view it'd be desireable to have the config read only
[20:06:07] <anonimasu> _if_ you do ship complete machines pre set up
[20:06:23] <cradek> I think we all agree the samples should be read-only
[20:06:27] <anonimasu> but it's unlikely that thoose users would touch it anyway..
[20:06:53] <cradek> one fix would be to make the var files in the samples writable
[20:07:03] <cradek> "fix"
[20:07:20] <cradek> then the question can be as straightforward as Skunkworks_1 suggested
[20:07:46] <anonimasu> which one of the suggestions?
[20:08:26] <anonimasu> the "stop" one?
[20:09:20] <cradek> Would you like to copy the %s configuration to your home directory so you can customize it?
[20:09:58] <bill20r3> "Would you like to [be able to] customize a copy of the configuration file?"
[20:10:24] <bill20r3> windows users will be like 'whats a home directory?'
[20:10:48] <SWPadnos> hmmm - maybe something where a relatively terse message comes up first, and there's a "more info" button that explains in better detail
[20:10:49] <cradek> bill20r3: in ubuntu, you get it when you pick Places/Home on the menu
[20:11:20] <cradek> bill20r3: if the user's to find it later when he wants to customize it, this information might help
[20:11:29] <bill20r3> I was just thinking of windows users for who done thier first linux install.
[20:11:58] <SWPadnos> windows does have a concept of "usernames" and "personalized settings"
[20:12:12] <bill20r3> but nothing called "home directory".
[20:12:14] <anonimasu> hehe
[20:12:16] <cradek> well the good side is if they don't have any clue, they will click the default button, and something sane will happen, and emc will start
[20:12:26] <anonimasu> yeah
[20:12:38] <SWPadnos> well, screw 'em then
[20:12:46] <bill20r3> hah
[20:13:04] <cradek> no, I'm not trying to be a dick
[20:13:17] <SWPadnos> I was responding to bill20r3
[20:13:23] <cradek> oh
[20:13:46] <SWPadnos> I agree that the "click click click - what's happening" people need to have something sane happen from their random mouse actions
[20:14:04] <anonimasu> yeah
[20:14:16] <SWPadnos> how apropos: http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/10/09/143201
[20:15:06] <bill20r3> I did my first ubuntu install a few months ago, I was impressed how smooth it was.
[20:18:43] <Skunkworks_1> "for you windows users this is like the 'my documents' directory"
[20:19:05] <Skunkworks_1> :)
[20:20:38] <alex_joni> bill20r3: it's called "My Documents" :P
[20:20:47] <alex_joni> right
[20:21:23] <bill20r3> I know.
[20:21:25] <alex_joni> * alex_joni had enough of edgy for tonight :(
[20:21:44] <Skunkworks_1> What is kins called again? kinematics?
[20:21:54] <bill20r3> but it's not called "home directory", although imo if they cant figure that out, they've no business running potentially dangerous machine tools.
[20:22:13] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/html/motion/kinematics/index.html
[20:22:20] <Skunkworks_1> bill20r3: darwinism
[20:22:38] <alex_joni> Skunkworks_1: know the darwin awards?
[20:22:40] <Skunkworks_1> thanks alex
[20:23:06] <alex_joni> http://www.darwinawards.com/
[20:24:42] <alex_joni> "We salute the improvement of the human genome
[20:24:42] <alex_joni> by honoring those who remove themselves from it.
[20:24:43] <alex_joni> Of necessity, this honor is generally bestowed posthumously."
[20:28:49] <cradek> He indicated disbelief, whereupon she said, "Look I'll prove it," and tossed her cigarette into the puddle. The gas ignited -- proving her point
[20:29:22] <cradek> I think the problem with the darwin awards is they don't verify their stories. I'm pretty sure throwing a cigarette into gasoline will result only in an extinguished cigarette.
[20:29:55] <SWPadnos> lends new meaning to the term "in-duh-vidual"
[20:31:34] <Skunkworks_1> cradek: depends apon how long the gas had to evaparate.
[20:32:11] <cradek> I readily admit I'm not an expert at throwing cigarettes into gasoline
[20:34:10] <Skunkworks_1> actually neither an I. only starting brush fires. You want to light the gas as soon as it is poured. :)
[20:34:12] <alex_joni> http://www.darwinawards.com/darwin/darwin2005-04.html
[20:35:41] <Skunkworks_1> http://www.cnczone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=205139#post205139
[20:36:26] <alex_joni> lol@Skunkworks_1
[20:37:26] <K`zan> Anyone using GCam here? It doesn't seem to find the files in /usr/local/share/gcam
[20:38:30] <alex_joni> this is definately my favourite: http://darwinawards.com/legends/legends1999-09.html
[20:42:27] <SWPadnos> poor doggie
[20:46:45] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is off to bed
[20:46:46] <alex_joni> night all
[20:46:49] <anonimasu> night
[20:46:52] <Skunkworks_1> night alex
[20:49:47] <K`zan> Well, time to run the source code and see why it can't find it's own files :-(. NOT an encouraging start.
[20:50:01] <K`zan> Hope it does better with the generated gcode...
[20:50:42] <K`zan> Second thought, if I can't find it's own files, I am not going to trust the gcode it puts out. rm -r...
[20:51:03] <SWPadnos> did you compile this, or install from a package?
[20:52:22] <anonimasu> !bookmark
[20:52:49] <K`zan> SWPadnos: From source.
[20:52:52] <K`zan> All gone now.
[20:55:13] <K`zan> Looks like no CAD apps for linux :-(.
[20:55:34] <alex_joni> s/CAD/CAM/
[20:55:36] <SWPadnos> unless you have $30-50k (or more)
[20:55:44] <K`zan> Or rather no real useful ones, but I am not through looking yet.
[20:55:58] <K`zan> Looks like I learn to write gcode again :-).
[20:56:30] <K`zan> Wish I could find all my old CAD/CAM stuff, it is someplace safe :-) on my old DOS diskettes :-).
[20:56:52] <K`zan> That will run under dosemu...
[20:58:14] <K`zan> Booting back back and forth to windoz looks like it is going to be a way of life :-/.
[20:58:37] <anonimasu> wine?
[20:58:39] <anonimasu> or vmware..
[20:59:01] <K`zan> Still haven't figured out what wine wants to know to get my ancient (and perfectly usable) acad13 to work right.
[20:59:13] <K`zan> vmware has gotten WAY too expensive.
[20:59:32] <cradek> K`zan: I run acad 12 under qemu/freedos
[20:59:46] <K`zan> acad12 == dos right?
[20:59:54] <cradek> it had both dos and windows
[21:00:00] <cradek> but I use the dos version
[21:00:01] <anonimasu> they gave it away for free a while back..
[21:00:02] <K`zan> AFAIK acad13 need wincrap :-(.
[21:00:08] <cradek> ah darn
[21:00:17] <K`zan> Sheesh, my luck to miss it :-(.
[21:01:48] <K`zan> I think I *finally* taught momcat to get in my lap rather than on top of my keyboard :-) :-) :-) :-)!!!!!!!!!!
[21:02:25] <cradek> haha my current battle is JUMP, DON'T CLIMB
[21:03:40] <anonimasu> hehe
[21:04:23] <Skunkworks_1> did I show this one? http://www.electronicsam.com/images/house/happycats.JPG
[21:05:12] <cradek> Skunkworks_1: are they siblings?
[21:05:14] <K`zan> anonimasu: You know where one might get acad12 now? Google is less help by the day :-/
[21:05:21] <cradek> K`zan: only ebay
[21:05:33] <cradek> K`zan: and hope the floppies are still good
[21:06:30] <K`zan> cradek: Heh, that ain't gonna be free - yes, I am leary as hell about m$ floppies, they seem to die with frightening regularity - almost none of the ones I have hauled out of the old floppy archives are usable - most others NOT from m$ from that age still are :-(.
[21:06:53] <Skunkworks_1> cradek: nope. Both where found within a month of one another - about the same age.
[21:07:11] <Skunkworks_1> the are best buds
[21:07:13] <cradek> Skunkworks_1: they're very cute, they look like good friends
[21:07:52] <K`zan> skunkworks_1 those do indeed look like happy cats - the greyish one looks a bit like Nimitz/Dainty feet :-).
[21:07:52] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/bigfoot-and-squirt.jpg
[21:08:11] <cradek> you've seen this one? they're siblings
[21:08:23] <K`zan> Awww, very cute :-)!
[21:08:34] <K`zan> I need to take more pix of the kids here...
[21:08:38] <cradek> they're a little bigger now
[21:08:57] <K`zan> Yeah, sigh, they get that way :-/.
[21:09:00] <Skunkworks_1> cradek: those are cute. The white one is the "social groomer"
[21:09:25] <Skunkworks_1> the left one is the kneader(sp)\.
[21:09:28] <cradek> gotta run, later all
[21:11:17] <Skunkworks_1> we still use acad 12 for windows here.. For the 2d laser - thats really all we need.
[21:11:57] <K`zan> Google has almost reached to point of total uselessness, more of a damn product catalog than a search engine :-(.
[21:13:23] <Skunkworks_1> I hate the searches that bring back more search engines.
[21:15:39] <K`zan> Yeah and it seems all the alternatives use google...
[21:16:02] <K`zan> I have started just giving up after 5 pages rather than the 10 I used to waste my time on.
[21:16:47] <K`zan> I'm rather at the point of giving up on CNC over the CAD issues alone, sigh.
[21:17:17] <K`zan> Frustrating when you don't have $30K to spend.
[21:18:07] <anonimasu> K`zan: do you really need 3d acd?
[21:18:12] <anonimasu> K`zan: alibre express?
[21:18:18] <anonimasu> sure it's limited but it'll work..
[21:18:20] <K`zan> Well, I don't do anything that is 2D :-(.
[21:18:34] <anonimasu> well, cad is the cheap part..
[21:18:38] <anonimasu> cam is what'll cost you
[21:18:46] <anonimasu> how does rhino + visualmill sound?
[21:19:10] <K`zan> Which would mean, I assume, that I have to hack whatever generates the gcode to do the Z axis stuff, which sounds like a FIRST class mess to me...
[21:19:35] <anonimasu> * anonimasu sighs
[21:19:37] <K`zan> anonimasu: Never heard of either...
[21:19:44] <K`zan> Probably windoz stuff?
[21:19:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 'night
[21:20:04] <K`zan> Nighto, rest well
[21:20:19] <anonimasu> Yes, but what do you expect? ther afaik there's no linux cam programs..
[21:20:31] <anonimasu> http://www.mecsoft.com/Mec/Store/store.shtml
[21:20:56] <K`zan> yeah, sigh, sure looks that way. Question is whether all this is worth having to run windcrap to me, not encouraging...
[21:21:10] <anonimasu> you can always code everything by hand..
[21:21:12] <anonimasu> ^_^
[21:21:22] <anonimasu> sorry.. it's rather harsh..
[21:21:51] <K`zan> anonimasu: No problem, I know that :-) and did that 10+ years ago :-).
[21:21:55] <anonimasu> but if I knew a linux cam program I'd probably use it
[21:23:03] <K`zan> I am just totally offended by having to run anything on top of wincrap, had way too much problems over the years with it, linux has spoiled me :-) but what is one going to do when there is nothing - code it by hand it looks like or sell out...
[21:23:35] <SWPadnos> o rspend the money on a commercial package for Linux
[21:23:43] <SWPadnos> such as Synergy (not that I like it, myself)
[21:24:11] <anonimasu> oh.. yeah..
[21:24:16] <anonimasu> synergy is quite nice
[21:24:23] <anonimasu> I couldnt live with the cad part though :/
[21:27:53] <anonimasu> does anyon ehave a price for synergy?
[21:33:42] <SWPadnos> I could swear I had seen pricing on the website at one time, but I can't find it now
[21:34:33] <SWPadnos> ah - I had emailed, and gotten a price of $500, but I'm not sure what that includes now (and the quote is 2 years old)
[21:34:56] <anonimasu> affordable :9
[21:35:00] <anonimasu> :)
[21:36:06] <SWPadnos> hmmm: http://www.eland.org.uk/pages/Misc/cadnotes.html
[23:16:32] <alpha-lappy> okay... I screwed up ubuntu bad...
[23:16:43] <alpha-lappy> no clue how, and no clue how to fix it...
[23:16:52] <alpha-lappy> I'm doing the idiot solution... REINSTALL.
[23:17:03] <alpha-lappy> but atleast I've backed up all the junk I think...
[23:17:22] <alpha-lappy> AND I've lost my install CD. :( so downloading edgy, and see if that will help with my pain.
[23:18:30] <alpha-lappy> just remembered... argh. emc...
[23:18:43] <alpha-lappy> that won't run on edgy yet, will it?
[23:18:50] <alpha-lappy> simulation mode that is.
[23:37:12] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in:
[23:37:12] <CIA-8> implement 'emc -l', to re-use previous inifile
[23:37:12] <CIA-8> change option handling to 'getopts' instead of custom code
[23:37:12] <CIA-8> move configuration items to the top of the script and get rid of unused ones
[23:37:26] <jepler> alpha-lappy: you'll have to build it yourself, but simulation mode is likely to work on edgy
[23:39:09] <jepler> cradek: that new shorter message sounds good to me
[23:41:53] <tomp> hello
[23:42:16] <cradek> jepler: great, I wasn't sure you would like it
[23:42:21] <cradek> hi tomp
[23:42:58] <tomp> hi cradek, nice article by RayH in new magazine 'digital machinist' on emc
[23:43:16] <cradek> oh really, I'd like to see that
[23:43:55] <tomp> i dunno how i got a freebee issue, maybe from Ray, maybe yours in in the mail
[23:44:02] <cradek> hmm, google doesn't help me at all
[23:44:18] <cradek> that would be a nice surprise
[23:44:46] <tomp> printed by 'villagepress.com', "Digital Machinist"
[23:45:41] <tomp> ok, somehow tied to 'www.homeshopmachinist.com'
[23:45:42] <cradek> ah the home shop machinist guys
[23:45:49] <cradek> that's a nice magazine
[23:45:57] <cradek> but their website doesn't mention this new one yet!
[23:45:59] <alpha-lappy> I don't think we have that in Canada
[23:46:06] <jepler> cradek: that message gets at the essence without all the confusing words of the original
[23:46:34] <cradek> jepler: it leaves one thing out - that the program may not work right (offsets in particular)
[23:47:03] <cradek> but I bet few people will run into that, since you will probably do your configuration before you get into using such features the program
[23:47:06] <cradek> in the program
[23:49:12] <cradek> huh there are 40 blank lines at the end of my .emcrc
[23:49:22] <cradek> I wonder if something makes it grow blank lines
[23:50:45] <jepler> interesting
[23:53:49] <jepler> what in the world is an INPUT_SCALE offset (second number) for? Even on a servo system, I don't understand what the purpose would be.
[23:53:50] <cradek> cool, it even writes the right thing to emcrc
[23:54:01] <jepler> what writes the right thing to emcrc?
[23:54:05] <jepler> -l?
[23:54:06] <cradek> DC offset in the output to your drive
[23:54:14] <cradek> 'yes' copy the config to my home directory
[23:54:14] <jepler> No, isn't that the OUTPUT_SCALE offset?
[23:54:24] <jepler> oh that -- yeah, I think I got the details right
[23:54:25] <cradek> oh I don't know
[23:54:39] <cradek> hmm, my saved position isn't saving with head/sim/axis
[23:54:51] <cradek> I keep getting an old one even though I was at origin when I shut down
[23:55:17] <jepler> yuck, really?
[23:55:27] <cradek> POSITION_FILE = position.txt
[23:55:35] <cradek> this is in the ini I'm running
[23:55:49] <jepler> WFM
[23:55:52] <cradek> I mdi g28
[23:56:04] <cradek> hit the little X
[23:56:11] <cradek> 6.92119988426566124
[23:56:15] <cradek> still have this in my file
[23:56:28] <cradek> oh oops
[23:56:33] <cradek> it's not writable
[23:56:38] <jepler> how'd that happen?
[23:56:49] <cradek> I chmod -R -w configs to test the new question
[23:57:00] <cradek> I guess the copy doesn't monkey the permissions
[23:57:32] <cradek> sim.var does get recreated so it ends up writable
[23:57:41] <jepler> maybe unlink() position.txt before writing it, then?
[23:57:54] <cradek> couldn't hurt I guess
[23:57:58] <jepler> I don't remember how I performed the copy -- maybe I can change it to give user-writable files instead
[23:58:31] <cradek> the sample configs are installed u+rw so it will work fine as-is
[23:58:57] <jepler> can you help me figure out how to say something for the docs? A lot of the configuration options are simply used in the example .hal files, but could have any name or could be specified in the .hal files instead of in the .ini files
[23:59:11] <jepler> I want to explain this
[23:59:18] <jepler> but maybe it's not worth explaining