#emc | Logs for 2006-09-28

[00:26:00] <K`zan> Hi Folks
[00:30:40] <A-L-P-H-A> hi K`zan
[01:26:08] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/rtapi/procfs_macros.h: make endif comment match ifdef
[01:34:20] <A-L-P-H-A> How does one write a repeating script? Say I want to repeat a block of Gcode... and have it repeat 'x' times.
[01:35:23] <cradek> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Oword
[01:35:29] <cradek> see "while"
[01:36:09] <A-L-P-H-A> cradek: thanks.
[01:36:52] <cradek> welcome
[01:37:50] <cradek> http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/emc2/nc_files/useful-subroutines.ngc?rev=1.4
[01:37:56] <cradek> more examples here
[01:38:43] <jepler> documentation: http://linuxcnc.org/docs/html/gcode/main/index.html#SECTION00500000000000000000
[01:53:35] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/src/gcode/main.lyx: small markup changes and text improvements
[01:53:57] <A-L-P-H-A> What's the best method to run emc in simulation only mode (on workstation, not cnc machine)? Do I need the magma kernel?
[01:54:08] <A-L-P-H-A> RT kernel [I think it was named magma]
[01:54:35] <jepler> A-L-P-H-A: install emc2 and the magma kernel but use one of the sim configurations, such as sim/axis.ini
[01:56:00] <A-L-P-H-A> so the magma kernel won't interfere with anything?
[01:56:56] <jepler> I use it as the everyday kernel on my laptop, just so I can develop emc2
[01:58:40] <A-L-P-H-A> installing... :)
[01:58:47] <A-L-P-H-A> almost 700kB/s
[01:59:42] <jepler> nice
[02:00:21] <A-L-P-H-A> says I should restart already
[02:00:27] <A-L-P-H-A> that took 3 minutes to install emc.
[02:00:28] <A-L-P-H-A> hahaha
[02:00:35] <A-L-P-H-A> not even... cause I asked a question in between.
[02:05:06] <alpha> jepler: how do I get the headers for magma?
[02:05:20] <alpha> I need to recompile my nvidia drivers for it now
[02:06:47] <alpha> alpha is now known as A-L-P-H-A
[02:09:40] <A-L-P-H-A> nm... aptitude found them.
[02:10:07] <A-L-P-H-A> shell reminds me so much of dos... :)
[02:10:12] <A-L-P-H-A> brings back the memories
[02:11:36] <jepler> kernel-headers-mumble-magma if I recall correctly
[02:11:42] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah,
[02:11:51] <A-L-P-H-A> 2.6.15-magma
[02:12:36] <A-L-P-H-A> brb
[02:42:17] <A-L-P-H-A> http://youtube.com/watch?v=-xEzGIuY7kw
[02:45:55] <K`zan> Hey A-L-P-H-A Get some rest?
[02:51:09] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah
[02:51:14] <A-L-P-H-A> I took a nap... for like 2 hrs.
[03:02:44] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/rtapi/rtapi_proc.h:
[03:02:44] <CIA-8> implement 'halcmd newinst', which allows creation of a new instance of
[03:02:44] <CIA-8> a capable component at runtime. Make all 'comp'-components support 'newinst'.
[03:02:46] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/comp.lyx:
[03:02:46] <CIA-8> implement 'halcmd newinst', which allows creation of a new instance of
[03:02:46] <CIA-8> a capable component at runtime. Make all 'comp'-components support 'newinst'.
[03:02:49] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/ (hal.h hal_lib.c hal_priv.h):
[03:02:51] <CIA-8> implement 'halcmd newinst', which allows creation of a new instance of
[03:02:53] <CIA-8> a capable component at runtime. Make all 'comp'-components support 'newinst'.
[03:02:55] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/ (comp.g halcmd.c):
[03:02:57] <CIA-8> implement 'halcmd newinst', which allows creation of a new instance of
[03:02:59] <CIA-8> a capable component at runtime. Make all 'comp'-components support 'newinst'.
[03:28:39] <A-L-P-H-A> steves_logging: bookmark
[03:28:49] <A-L-P-H-A> lying logger.
[03:36:49] <fenn> ooo i wish i could afford such a beautiful machine: http://search.ebay.com/130031101545
[03:54:37] <A-L-P-H-A> lets hear a shout out from BRAZIL!
[04:21:22] <A-L-P-H-A> logger_aj, bookmark
[04:21:22] <A-L-P-H-A> See
[04:37:14] <K`zan> Got my EMC2 box built :-)!
[04:37:46] <K`zan> Going to install it on the HD here as soon as every it finishes booting :-)
[04:50:17] <Jymmm> cool beans
[04:50:26] <Jymmm> What did you use for the HW ?
[04:58:58] <K`zan> Jymmm: AMD Thunderbird 1100, 544M RAM, 40G HDD, old CD drive. Vodoo3000 Video, old ethernet that was in the drawer and a spare parallel port card to drive the driver.
[04:59:33] <Jymmm> so two paraports?
[04:59:36] <K`zan> Hopfully ubuntu will find the add in parallel port card.
[04:59:59] <K`zan> Yes, I'r rather not use the built in port, at least for now.
[05:00:21] <Jymmm> dont trust it?
[05:00:39] <K`zan> Oh, MSI K7T-Pro2-A MB.
[05:01:20] <K`zan> At this point, no, blowing MB resources is not a good thing :-). Probably unwarranted, but I have heard that as a recommendation so I am just following it :-).
[05:01:44] <K`zan> "Better Safe Than Sorry(TM)" :-)
[05:01:53] <A-L-P-H-A> voodoo3000?!?
[05:01:58] <K`zan> Don't know anyone who has blown one, but...
[05:02:01] <A-L-P-H-A> OH! hey! I have a k7t-Pro.
[05:02:04] <A-L-P-H-A> not 2
[05:02:04] <K`zan> Yes, Vodoo4000 :-).
[05:02:34] <A-L-P-H-A> brb... need food... too hungry to sleep
[05:02:36] <K`zan> Friends thew out the MB and the video card, gonna do fine for the CNC stuff :-).
[05:02:37] <K`zan> rr
[05:02:53] <Jymmm> http://www.overclockers.com/articles293/
[05:03:20] <K`zan> Have an order of poutine for me :-).
[05:04:18] <K`zan> Jymmm: Thanks, but I'll opt for reliability where hooking it up to dangerous toys is concerned :-).
[05:04:35] <K`zan> * K`zan chicken
[05:04:35] <Jymmm> K`zan huh?
[05:04:46] <Jymmm> K`zan did you read the bug?
[05:04:48] <K`zan> Overlclocking it :-).
[05:05:00] <K`zan> Oh, no, I thought it was just for overclocking it.
[05:05:10] <Jymmm> dont think, READ!
[05:06:07] <K`zan> I am just running it on auto - seems fine.
[05:06:19] <fenn> what a waste of a good computer.. sheesh
[05:06:26] <K`zan> But I did upgrade the BIOS when I got the thing (< year now).
[05:06:33] <fenn> 544M ram to move some motors around?
[05:06:39] <K`zan> I'm not muich of an overclocker.
[05:07:06] <K`zan> fenn: The ram is not usable in anything else I have, why not :-). 2 - 256s and a 64 IIRC.
[05:07:47] <alpha-lappy> logger_aj: bookmark
[05:07:47] <alpha-lappy> See
[05:07:52] <K`zan> And that ram is "obsolete" anyway, so nothing else is going to use it.
[05:08:57] <alpha-lappy> K`zan: strangely, I am making fries in the oven.
[05:09:11] <K`zan> Great, install hung with 4 minutes to go, sigh...
[05:09:20] <alpha-lappy> lovely
[05:09:22] <K`zan> in the OVEN? Get out the deep fryer!
[05:09:23] <alpha-lappy> bad CD again?
[05:09:29] <alpha-lappy> I don't like fried foods that much
[05:09:33] <K`zan> Don't think so...
[05:09:44] <K`zan> Old box, old everything in there, who knows.
[05:09:53] <K`zan> bbiaf, checking
[05:09:58] <alpha-lappy> lets see what I can mix in with the fries
[05:09:59] <alpha-lappy> CHILLI!
[05:10:00] <Jymmm> K`zan: Did you check the cd before installing?
[05:10:02] <alpha-lappy> oh sweet god.
[05:10:07] <alpha-lappy> CHILLI and FRIES!
[05:10:25] <Jymmm> Chilli fires with cheese and onion
[05:10:32] <Jymmm> fries
[05:10:50] <Jymmm> and a double big gulp for the heartburn
[05:11:03] <alpha-lappy> I think I have some green onions.
[05:11:06] <alpha-lappy> and cheese.. hmm.
[05:11:16] <Jymmm> red,yellow,orwhite
[05:13:28] <K`zan> Giving a grub error 17 now, powering it down and leaving it for a bit, I think that old CD has problems.
[05:13:39] <Jymmm> K`zan: Did you check the cd before installing?
[05:14:07] <K`zan> Jymmm: Yes, supposed to be good, this is the third time I've booted it.
[05:14:20] <alpha-lappy> odd.
[05:14:21] <K`zan> Will do that again after power has had time to bleed off.
[05:14:24] <alpha-lappy> do a cd check
[05:14:32] <K`zan> rr
[05:14:38] <K`zan> if it boots again :-).
[05:14:58] <Jymmm> K`zan: Ok, what finally worked for me is to burn the iso image file at a LOW speed (say 4x)
[05:14:59] <alpha-lappy> I'd do this... donwload ubuntu 6.06.1 LTS, install
[05:15:08] <alpha-lappy> and then install ubuntu
[05:15:44] <Jymmm> K`zan what speed have you been burnign them at?
[05:16:05] <K`zan> First few that failed were at 40x IIRC, this one I did at 16x
[05:16:49] <K`zan> Pretty sure I checked it though, but will again. I think that utterly ancient CD drive is the problem - about 6-8 years old or so now.
[05:16:52] <Jymmm> Yeah, I dont know why, but I've been sucsessful and slow burned image files
[05:17:13] <Jymmm> K`zan Right, which only support slower speeds.
[05:17:28] <K`zan> Marketing says it burns OK at 52x, reality says otherwise :).
[05:17:46] <alpha-lappy> Jymmm: probably the CD is successful, however, the reader is just finicky... especially with cheap media
[05:18:01] <alpha-lappy> there are quality differences, you do get what you pay for
[05:18:18] <K`zan> Had no problems with the ridata stuff to date, but this may be the first...
[05:18:41] <alpha-lappy> ridata, has like stuff made in jp, tw, and cn.
[05:18:45] <Jymmm> Toshiba/Sony drives 3M/TDK media, I dont' think so. It's ironic that only emc/2 iso have such the issues.
[05:18:46] <alpha-lappy> the cn stuff is crap.
[05:18:56] <alpha-lappy> Jymmm: now that is odd.
[05:19:05] <alpha-lappy> sony = nec rebranded
[05:19:22] <Jymmm> Almost EVERY emc/emc2 iso I've burned, I've had issues. so nfc.
[05:19:42] <Jymmm> That's when I started slowing down the burn speed and get good results.
[05:20:00] <K`zan> booted, running check on it now.
[05:20:05] <Jymmm> I think it give a strong "impression" on the media.
[05:20:16] <Jymmm> at a slower speed
[05:20:19] <alpha-lappy> luckily my liteon drive doesn't have any issue
[05:20:43] <alpha-lappy> Jymmm: just bigger pits, to make it easier on the reader
[05:20:45] <K`zan> Like my litons :-), got 3 of them here. May have 4 if this one keeps screwing up.
[05:21:03] <alpha-lappy> I like liteons... I also have a sony.
[05:21:20] <K`zan> still checking squashfs...
[05:21:43] <K`zan> Jymmm: What speed do you burn at?
[05:21:45] <K`zan> CDs
[05:21:46] <alpha-lappy> found this week's airing of House MD, was funny. :)
[05:21:56] <alpha-lappy> <-- 40x, as media was rated at that.
[05:21:56] <Jymmm> K`zan if it's emc iso.... 4x
[05:22:21] <K`zan> Ummm, I did 16, if this fails I'll re-do it at 4 or maybe 1 :-).
[05:22:25] <alpha-lappy> old spindle of 100 HP branded 40x media... has lasted me like two years... hardly burn CDs... usually only burn DVDs
[05:22:32] <alpha-lappy> you can burn at 1x?
[05:22:41] <alpha-lappy> did you make sure to do an md5 sum of the iso?
[05:22:48] <alpha-lappy> and a verification after burn was good?
[05:22:51] <K`zan> I presume so, never done it. I also almost always burn CDs.
[05:22:55] <K`zan> Yep.
[05:23:04] <alpha-lappy> switch out the reader
[05:23:38] <K`zan> squashfs seems to be taking a while, but I suspect that is most of it.
[05:23:58] <K`zan> oops correction - I almost always burn DVDs :-).
[05:24:36] <K`zan> These CDs are either Verbatum or Memorex, would have to see which I grabbed for this.
[05:24:37] <alpha-lappy> fries don't seem crispy... :( first time in a long time to making fries from the oven.
[05:24:47] <alpha-lappy> those are good media
[05:24:51] <K`zan> soggy warm potato strips...
[05:25:07] <K`zan> That is why I always deep fry mine, I like crispy :-).
[05:25:07] <alpha-lappy> :(
[05:25:10] <alpha-lappy> exactly.
[05:25:26] <alpha-lappy> I'm putting them in there a little longer.
[05:25:31] <fenn> fries in the oven? isnt that an oxymoron?
[05:25:52] <K`zan> What I rather crudely refer to as limp-dick potatoes :)
[05:26:12] <K`zan> Sorry <blush>...
[05:26:35] <alpha-lappy> K`zan: as if you're blushing
[05:26:36] <K`zan> Everything on the CD is on squashfs ?
[05:26:42] <K`zan> Heh :-)
[05:26:48] <alpha-lappy> * alpha-lappy doesn't want to imagine K`zan as a freaky perv.
[05:27:07] <K`zan> Ok, past squashfs...
[05:27:20] <fenn> i imagine everyone as a freaky perv by default, that way its no shock when you find out they are
[05:27:23] <K`zan> Nope, no freaky perv here, had enough of those in my life...
[05:28:14] <K`zan> Spent the day squaring up blocks on the mill, what fun :-).
[05:28:24] <K`zan> But I obviously need the practice :-/.
[05:29:01] <K`zan> 1 checksum failed, but it doesn't say what it was :-(.
[05:29:41] <K`zan> So I guess I reburn...
[05:29:47] <K`zan> at 1x
[05:29:47] <alpha-lappy> K`zan: practice at being a freaky perv?
[05:30:00] <alpha-lappy> K`zan: recheck the iso's md5
[05:30:01] <Jymmm> K`zan: dont do 1x, it'll take hours.
[05:30:01] <K`zan> no kinko, squaring up blocks :-)
[05:30:14] <K`zan> I always do that, k3b makes it easy :-)
[05:30:29] <alpha-lappy> K`zan: k
[05:30:45] <alpha-lappy> 4x should work fine.
[05:30:56] <K`zan> I've made more coasters with this than I have total I think.
[05:31:17] <alpha-lappy> K`zan: okie. good luck with that.
[05:31:26] <alpha-lappy> why not just install it with a new CDrom?
[05:31:45] <alpha-lappy> so the emc machine will get a new reader?
[05:31:58] <alpha-lappy> oh... I wonder can ubuntu could install over nfs?
[05:32:11] <alpha-lappy> like just a boot disk, and get the remaining off a NFS.
[05:32:44] <fenn> yes
[05:33:04] <fenn> i just installed debian on my drive-less laptop
[05:33:32] <alpha-lappy> fenn: that's usb to deb?... how would that work with ubuntu?
[05:33:32] <fenn> no nfs even
[05:33:41] <fenn> it was pxe boot
[05:33:48] <fenn> then it got the packages over the net
[05:33:50] <K`zan> md5 checks out. Slowest that will burn is 8x, interesting.
[05:34:22] <K`zan> Gonna go grab a cup of coffee, brb
[05:34:38] <Jymmm> K`zan one sugar, triple cream please
[05:36:48] <alpha-lappy> this plate of chilli and fries is good for 2 people I think
[05:37:36] <fenn> you guys are making me sick with this kind of talk
[05:37:50] <alpha-lappy> fenn: I don't have cheese... wanna get some, I'll share
[05:38:04] <K`zan> Picked up everything to make a huge pot of my special chili :-).
[05:38:23] <fenn> * fenn goes to nibble some kale from the garden
[05:38:27] <alpha-lappy> 'special' does it mean with weed?
[05:38:32] <K`zan> Jymmm: Not with this coffee, it doesn't need it, perfectly yummie just black :-).
[05:39:58] <K`zan> Guatemalan Huehuetenango Vista Hermose, roasted just into second crack :-).
[05:40:24] <K`zan> Early this morning :-).
[05:40:27] <K`zan> Yummmmmmm!
[05:40:41] <alpha-lappy> K`zan: how much coffee can your roaster roast, if a roaster could roast making coffee roast?
[05:40:43] <K`zan> Wow, 8x is SLOW :-).
[05:41:02] <K`zan> LOL, as much as I want to stand there and do, 4oz at a time :-).
[05:41:17] <alpha-lappy> 4oz at a time?
[05:41:19] <alpha-lappy> :(
[05:42:28] <alpha-lappy> well... guess if just wanted to make a pot at a time
[05:42:45] <alpha-lappy> or is that two pots?
[05:45:29] <K`zan> Dunno, I usually roast up a pound or so at a time.
[05:45:33] <K`zan> Never counted.
[05:45:34] <alpha-lappy> crunchy fries covered under chili.
[05:45:41] <alpha-lappy> OMG... soooo freak'n yummy
[05:45:43] <K`zan> :-)
[05:45:47] <K`zan> Verifying now.
[05:46:41] <K`zan> "Written image seems binary equal"
[05:47:04] <K`zan> Booting in the shop box...
[05:47:35] <alpha-lappy> KA BOOM.
[05:47:45] <alpha-lappy> it went kla-boowie
[05:52:31] <A-L-P-H-A> so freak'n full... soooo opposite of starving
[05:57:51] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan and how's it going?
[06:04:33] <K`zan> Not worth a shit, it came up in 640x480 and nothing else to change it to, AND the frugging install program does not scale, SCREAMMMMMMMMMMMMM.
[06:04:46] <K`zan> :-)
[06:05:03] <K`zan> Came up in the right resolution last time. W.T.F.?
[06:05:18] <K`zan> Lemme reboot it and see what happens if I don't check the CD.
[06:11:42] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan... you're not good with technology... you're like the older generations where technology is scarey and all mystical and magical... perhaps it's time to just read about retirement areas and plan for the future.
[06:11:54] <A-L-P-H-A> ;)
[06:12:00] <A-L-P-H-A> okay... what's the test saying?
[06:20:51] <fenn> * fenn wonders what prompted that remark
[06:25:14] <K`zan> A-L-P-H-A: Fuck off :-)
[06:42:30] <anonimasu> ^_^
[06:42:43] <anonimasu> K`zan: tried ctrl + alt + (+)
[06:43:03] <K`zan> Yes, I did, only option is 640x480
[06:43:51] <K`zan> Booted right off the bad CD :-).
[06:44:02] <K`zan> got the resolution right, that is.
[06:44:34] <K`zan> Just for jollies, let me try that CD again.
[06:49:18] <K`zan> Nope, that comes up in 640x480 too now. Let me unplug the box and let it sit for a while, I think the old voodoo3000 has gotten set into some strange mode or something...
[06:50:13] <K`zan> Funny that I never had problems back when I was running deb, but every time I mess with ubuntu it is just a MESS :-).
[06:53:42] <alex_joni> * alex_joni yawns
[07:01:40] <robin_sz> weird .... ChanServ gives channel operator status to K`zan
[07:01:49] <robin_sz> * robin_sz shrugs
[08:01:23] <anonimasu> 5*yawn *
[08:02:16] <anonimasu> K`zan: try it..
[08:02:38] <anonimasu> im doing cad for CE marking today too
[08:02:44] <anonimasu> damn union
[08:03:31] <anonimasu> *yawn*
[08:03:41] <anonimasu> K`zan: I did the same a bit ago with square blocks
[08:03:44] <anonimasu> they went ~
[08:03:52] <anonimasu> my vise didnt clamp entirely straight..
[08:05:45] <anonimasu> ^_^
[08:38:37] <K`zan> anonimasu: I need to check my vice to be sure of that, I *assumed* that since it is a toolmakers vice it is square and preliminary checks did seem to confirm it, but I do need to run an indicator over it...
[08:40:40] <K`zan> I fly cut one side and then used a bolsterbar to use that to do the second and third and then two done ones to do the 4th. Came out close but not perfect (could see light between the surface and the square on one side. Ends were REALLY bad and I am not sure why yet. After another 5 or 10 I should have it firgured out :-).
[08:41:25] <anonimasu> mine should be square too,
[08:41:30] <anonimasu> ;)
[08:41:55] <K`zan> I faked out the install and it is running. Did get 120x1024 from the F4 menu up until it hit X :-(. Can probably run xf86config and fix it once it gets installed. Installer *should* scale...
[08:42:18] <K`zan> anonimasu: And I know *all* about that assume crap :-) and do it anyway, sigh :-)...
[08:42:46] <K`zan> 41% / 10 minutes...
[08:43:46] <K`zan> The real truth of this is that I need to quit playing and do this right, math and all. Getting to the part to measure is a real problem and I am not quite sure what I am going to do about that - prolly some more appropriate measuring tools.
[08:44:22] <K`zan> appropriately sized...
[08:47:37] <anonimasu> ah well.
[09:01:06] <anonimasu> lunch
[09:04:20] <K`zan> What is the root password for the livecd?
[09:29:46] <K`zan> I am not real impressed with ubuntu... X is screwed up, networking is screwed up... No tools to fix X... Going to take some work to get it going.
[09:30:07] <K`zan> Not the old deb I was used to :-).
[09:36:41] <alex_joni> K`zan: why not use deb then?
[09:37:09] <alex_joni> * alex_joni only installed about 10-15 machines so far
[09:37:16] <alex_joni> but never had any issues with it
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[10:34:01] <alex_joni> hi danex
[10:34:13] <danex> Good Afternoon
[10:35:35] <danex> I had a problem with the new video card, it seems to be bad out of the box
[10:36:03] <alex_joni> ouch.. that's bad
[10:36:17] <danex> I have to go and swap it at Circuit City this morning
[10:37:22] <danex> Eve with the Delay message , Should the m Codes work the same in both Released and Head Versions?
[10:37:28] <danex> Even
[10:40:32] <K`zan> alex_joni: It sure is tempting, but ubuntu does have problems, based one deb, I wonder if it inherited those from deb.
[10:40:50] <K`zan> Found the network issue, it just flat did not like my linksys card.
[10:41:43] <K`zan> Still no solution to the xorg problem, it got the resolution right ONCE and does not include any of the configuration tools I am used to, if I can prevent X from launching perhaps I can fix it with Xorg --configure.
[10:42:02] <K`zan> Enough for tonight, I'll wrassle with it later today.
[10:42:05] <K`zan> Night all.
[10:45:12] <danex> I have the files of the mcodes do I just paste them here?
[10:45:59] <anonimasu> k`zan: dpkg --reconfigure?
[10:58:24] <danex> Well, time to go to work
[10:59:09] <danex> alex_joni, I will let you know how the new card works
[12:20:49] <alex_joni> morning samco
[12:21:09] <skunkworks> morning alex
[12:21:14] <skunkworks> sleep well?
[12:21:23] <skunkworks> or afternoon
[12:24:19] <skunkworks> :) http://cgi.ebay.com/LOT-of-4-FDH44N50-N-MOSFET-transistors-500V-44A_W0QQitemZ140033904263QQihZ004QQcategoryZ109455QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[12:32:21] <skunkworks> I want - I want :) I hate when there isn't a "buy it now"
[12:32:44] <skunkworks> I missed yesterday there was a lot of 250 30a 100v that went for 50 dollars.
[12:33:15] <Bo^Dick> is that a powerful switcher?
[12:33:33] <skunkworks> They will do what I want.
[12:33:45] <skunkworks> To me they are :)
[12:34:00] <Bo^Dick> they look like powertransistors suitable for switching purposes
[12:34:57] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: low RDSon usually means good for switching
[12:35:24] <Bo^Dick> as a matter of fact, i would myself need a very cheap and powerful switching solution
[12:35:32] <skunkworks> although he has the resistance labeled watts :)
[12:36:10] <alex_joni> skunkworks: I bought some nice IRG40PF50 lately
[12:37:12] <Bo^Dick> i'm gonna design a superior steppermotor driver and since i've gotten into the business of microcontrollers i only have to think about the switching
[12:37:21] <alex_joni> skunkworks: IRG4PF50
[12:37:37] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: you've been saying that for almost a year now :)
[12:37:44] <skunkworks> alex_joni: what are the specs?
[12:37:54] <skunkworks> * skunkworks wasn't going to say that :)
[12:37:58] <Bo^Dick> was i talking about microcontrollers back then
[12:38:19] <Bo^Dick> don't think so
[12:38:19] <alex_joni> 900V, 51A
[12:38:27] <Bo^Dick> that sounds nice
[12:38:40] <Bo^Dick> they need to be fast as well
[12:38:41] <skunkworks> oooh - ballpark price?
[12:38:46] <alex_joni> 51A @ 25°^C
[12:38:58] <alex_joni> http://www.irf.com/product-info/datasheets/data/irg4pf50wpbf.pdf
[12:39:15] <skunkworks> for emc running the psudo pwm - I think almost anything will work. (for my purposes)
[12:39:34] <Bo^Dick> basically what i need is this: 1) cheap 2) powerful 3) very fast
[12:39:45] <Bo^Dick> size is less important
[12:40:23] <Bo^Dick> if theyre expensive i could as well buy geckos instead
[12:40:29] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: not initially, but after a while (talking about microcontrollers)
[12:40:31] <Bo^Dick> spend a fortune that is
[12:40:44] <alex_joni> geckos are cheap
[12:40:56] <skunkworks> ah - Igbt
[12:40:58] <Bo^Dick> yeah, cheap compared to others
[12:41:24] <Bo^Dick> like over 100$ for the simplest gecko
[12:41:40] <Bo^Dick> and that one is fixed 1/10 microstepping only
[12:41:46] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: right.. the G201
[12:41:51] <alex_joni> they do work like a charm though
[12:42:03] <skunkworks> heard nothing but good things.
[12:42:11] <alex_joni> I have 2 of those, and about 7 or 8 G340
[12:42:15] <Bo^Dick> why would i spend over hundred bucks for something that i can do better myself
[12:42:25] <alex_joni> LOL @ Bo^Dick
[12:42:34] <Bo^Dick> and a lot cheaper
[12:42:45] <skunkworks> Bo^Dick: because you most likely can't. But good luck :)
[12:42:56] <Bo^Dick> ok, listen here:
[12:43:05] <Bo^Dick> the microcontroller consts less than 10$
[12:43:34] <Bo^Dick> would the µc have the complexity that takes to drive a stepper driver... ?
[12:43:53] <Bo^Dick> the answer is.... ...taddaaa... ...yes
[12:44:04] <Bo^Dick> it definetly has
[12:44:26] <Bo^Dick> what's more to it, of course the driver stage
[12:45:26] <Bo^Dick> microcontroller (very smart and powerful thing) costs less than 10$ and gecko consts more than 100$
[12:45:32] <Bo^Dick> so where is the rest 90$?
[12:45:52] <Bo^Dick> driver stage and anti-resonance maybe?
[12:46:25] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: development
[12:46:37] <alex_joni> but it seems you're in no hurry
[12:46:55] <Bo^Dick> then he definetively does not work for free like linux developers
[12:47:09] <alex_joni> he who?
[12:47:13] <anonimasu> mariss.
[12:47:18] <Bo^Dick> the geckoguy of course
[12:47:37] <alex_joni> well.. he does run a business
[12:47:39] <Bo^Dick> and the gecko hasn't even a microcontroller aboard
[12:47:42] <alex_joni> and lots of employees
[12:47:49] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: no, it has an FPGA :D
[12:48:00] <anonimasu> the g340's ?
[12:48:10] <alex_joni> anonimasu: no, the new ones
[12:48:20] <Bo^Dick> i'm talking about the "cheap" gecko for over 100$
[12:48:22] <anonimasu> oh, yeah the g100
[12:48:35] <alex_joni> no
[12:48:52] <alex_joni> the G100 G101 are different biests
[12:49:01] <anonimasu> hm ok
[12:49:05] <anonimasu> I havent seen the new ones
[12:49:12] <alex_joni> the G203 :P
[12:49:16] <Bo^Dick> after my experiments i've come to the conclusion that gates, flip-flops and carnaugh chart sucks really hard compared to µcs
[12:49:20] <alex_joni> bet you haven't
[12:49:40] <anonimasu> Bo^Dick: why isnt there thousands of good stepper drivers..
[12:50:07] <Bo^Dick> my stepper driver will have from 1/32 microstepping all the way to full steps and besides that a very smart current decay scheme
[12:50:20] <Bo^Dick> does the "cheap" gecko feature all that?
[12:50:37] <Bo^Dick> afaik it doesn't
[12:50:48] <anonimasu> oh, the cheap gecko is making parts in hundreds of applications..
[12:51:02] <anonimasu> reliably'
[12:51:07] <Bo^Dick> so if the gecko is good and cheap my design is really gonna kick ass
[12:51:26] <Bo^Dick> why would a µc be less reliable than gates and flip-flops?
[12:51:34] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: if you can supply 100 pcs for under 100$/piece then you're drive is definately worth something
[12:52:31] <Bo^Dick> i'm talking about the design and you about the marketing process
[12:54:01] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: no, I'm talking about the full product
[12:54:02] <Bo^Dick> there is only one little detail that my design lacks so far, that is the resonance compensation feature
[12:54:17] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: when you're drive can do this: http://pastebin.ca/184922 I'll shut up :P
[12:55:25] <danex> Hello alex_joni
[12:56:14] <Bo^Dick> i guess that is up to how powerful the driver-stage is
[12:56:20] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: indeed
[12:56:22] <alex_joni> hi danex
[12:56:24] <alex_joni> any luck?
[12:56:54] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: I advise you to sign up on groups.yahoo.com and join the geckodrive group there.. even reading in there once in a while is a good learning experience
[12:57:04] <anonimasu> well, what can I say Mariss are smart..
[12:57:20] <danex> Just a quick update, The video card resolved the problem with the "delay" message
[12:57:26] <alex_joni> yay
[12:57:32] <alex_joni> we were right afterall ;)
[12:57:44] <alex_joni> danex: see.. it pays up to ask 'professionals' :P
[12:57:58] <danex> It pays
[12:58:36] <danex> The problem with the M1xx codes is still present
[12:58:53] <alex_joni> danex: still have them around?
[12:59:01] <alex_joni> the M1xx scrips.. I just got here after you left
[12:59:08] <alex_joni> the next time you can paste away
[12:59:10] <Bo^Dick> to me it's a complete mystery why the cheapest geckodriver doesn't involve a µc
[12:59:22] <Bo^Dick> after all µc's arent expensive are they
[12:59:38] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: no, but getting a design/software with an uC can be
[12:59:49] <alex_joni> especially getting uC's which can handle industrial specs
[12:59:55] <Bo^Dick> some tweaking in avr-studio
[12:59:55] <danex> alex_joni I have to transfer from the machine to my laptop
[12:59:57] <alex_joni> -20 150°C for example
[13:00:04] <alex_joni> danex: right
[13:00:14] <alex_joni> danex: there is www.pastebin.ca where you can paste
[13:00:17] <alex_joni> and put the link here
[13:00:18] <danex> I will have them in a few minutes
[13:00:49] <Bo^Dick> as a consequence of the lack of a µc in the "cheap" gecko it can only do fixed 1/10 microstepping
[13:01:14] <Bo^Dick> what if someone wants 1/32 stepping or 1/4
[13:01:38] <skunkworks> I guess they make thier own :)
[13:02:01] <skunkworks> or talk about it anyways -- ba dum dum.
[13:02:21] <alex_joni> yeah, talk is cheap
[13:02:41] <Bo^Dick> so you think it's a lot of talking and little doing here
[13:02:57] <skunkworks> ba dum dum <- supposed to be a rim shot.
[13:03:04] <Bo^Dick> well it has taken some effort to understand this stuff
[13:03:30] <Bo^Dick> at the start i though full stepping was always the most powerful and reliable mode except resolution
[13:03:39] <Bo^Dick> wel know that this is not true
[13:04:57] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: ok, then maybe in the future you'll understand the rest and build a nice driver. at least I hope you do.. would be bad to waste so much time / money for nothing ;)
[13:05:37] <Bo^Dick> probably
[13:06:09] <Bo^Dick> well if you guys could give me a hand regarding anti-resonance and the powerstage then the driver is ready on the paper
[13:06:31] <Bo^Dick> the logic part is already ready
[13:06:46] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: unlikely anyone around here can do that
[13:06:48] <skunkworks> Bo^Dick: we are not experts on that.
[13:06:55] <Bo^Dick> and of course it definetly involves a µc
[13:07:11] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: what kind?
[13:07:13] <Bo^Dick> how could a decent motordriver at all lack a µc
[13:07:31] <Bo^Dick> atmega8515
[13:07:42] <Bo^Dick> DIL40
[13:07:49] <Bo^Dick> exist in SMT too
[13:08:01] <Bo^Dick> but i don't care about size right now
[13:08:10] <Bo^Dick> but it leads to a lot of drilling
[13:08:18] <Bo^Dick> not to use SMT that is
[13:09:04] <alex_joni> how many PWM's does it have?
[13:09:12] <Bo^Dick> two
[13:09:27] <Bo^Dick> assuming i understood the question
[13:09:47] <Bo^Dick> a bipolar stepper motor has two coils
[13:09:54] <alex_joni> no, I meant the atmega
[13:10:27] <Bo^Dick> i'm gonna code that and have two D/A hooked to two of the ports
[13:10:41] <alex_joni> D/A ? what for?
[13:11:00] <Bo^Dick> to give a reference voltage for the PWM stage
[13:11:25] <alex_joni> the atmega can generate the PWM itself
[13:11:33] <alex_joni> actually 3 channels for the one you chose
[13:11:53] <alex_joni> maybe we should talk once you learn a bit about uC's ;)
[13:12:10] <Bo^Dick> i need to take care of other stuff too for example the blanking time and stuff for the driver-stage
[13:12:45] <Bo^Dick> the built-in PWM stage doesn't take any feedback afaik
[13:13:11] <Bo^Dick> and my design can adjust the current and thereby regulate the current through the windings
[13:13:16] <alex_joni> you can handle the feedback in software
[13:13:41] <skunkworks> I would think you have the uP do the current limit?
[13:13:56] <Bo^Dick> well if i could use the built-in pwm timers i'm gonna save 16 pins and two D/A's
[13:15:02] <Bo^Dick> the current decay scheme has taken a lot of inspiration from allegros stepper driver chips and the PWM architecture has taken a lot of inspiration from the L297/298 solution
[13:15:30] <Bo^Dick> so i'm collecting the goodies from each and every of these stepper driver solutions
[13:17:15] <alex_joni> the L287/298 is a cheap alternative
[13:17:20] <alex_joni> but nothing more
[13:17:38] <Bo^Dick> it thought me about different current decay modes though
[13:17:56] <alex_joni> * alex_joni has a small mill with 2 G201 and 1 L297/298
[13:18:03] <alex_joni> there are worlds apart
[13:18:26] <Bo^Dick> well the L297/298 isn't the least powerful nor can it mircostep
[13:18:43] <alex_joni> it has half-stepping
[13:18:43] <Bo^Dick> so i'm not trying to compare them at all
[13:18:53] <alex_joni> but I don't mind that so much
[13:18:56] <Bo^Dick> non-compensated half-stepping sucks
[13:19:01] <alex_joni> I rather find the PWM awfull
[13:19:08] <alex_joni> compared to the gecko's
[13:19:29] <Bo^Dick> well i believe the gecko performes dynamic current decaying
[13:19:37] <alex_joni> motor's getting warm doing nothing..
[13:20:01] <Bo^Dick> yeah, because the pwm is inefficient
[13:20:30] <Bo^Dick> that's why it is good to use slow decay for as much time as possible
[13:20:51] <Bo^Dick> except where the signals should decay rapidly
[13:21:19] <alex_joni> * alex_joni heads home
[13:21:25] <Bo^Dick> allegro thought me something there
[13:21:25] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: lots of luck with this ;)
[13:22:00] <Bo^Dick> thanks
[13:22:58] <skunkworks> alex_joni: drive safe
[13:26:29] <anonimasu> iab
[13:56:56] <alex_joni> hi
[13:59:59] <skunkworks> that was quick
[14:00:56] <alex_joni> skunkworks: I live about 15 walking minutes from work :)
[14:00:59] <alex_joni> maybe 10 ?
[14:09:37] <skunkworks> wow
[14:09:51] <skunkworks> thats close. I live about 20 driving minutes
[14:13:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 'lo
[14:13:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> (my connection is flaky, might disconnect any second)
[14:14:19] <skunkworks> Lerneaen_Hydra: how is the laith?
[14:14:43] <Lerneaen_Hydra> it's going quite well actually, haven't added stuff to it, but working nicely :D
[14:14:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> anything new with EMC+
[14:23:44] <skunkworks> Don't know. I know they added FF2 and I think jepler added some sort of code to remember the last position.
[14:31:18] <alex_joni> skunkworks: indeed
[14:31:37] <alex_joni> and you can now specify the units in literals: UNITS = mm/inch
[14:31:42] <alex_joni> in the ini file :)
[14:32:11] <alex_joni> skunkworks: jepler also added a way to load hal/instantiate hal components without loadrt
[14:32:19] <K`zan> Got the sucker :-).
[14:32:42] <K`zan> Took me a while to remember some of the deb stuff :-).
[14:33:57] <K`zan> Finally remembered the method to reconfigure X and after that all was smooth sailing :-). Finally a successful ubuntu install! HappyDanceHappyDance :-).
[14:36:24] <skunkworks> alex_joni: you guys are great/
[14:37:14] <skunkworks> K`zan: what was the issue with ubuntu?
[14:37:52] <skunkworks> alex_joni: I figure about the time I will be playing with hal - It will be a nice GUI :)
[14:38:03] <skunkworks> the way things are going
[14:41:27] <alex_joni> skunkworks: yeah, jepler is working on that
[14:42:07] <skunkworks> alex_joni: saw some nice screen shots.
[14:43:16] <skunkworks> can I say it again - you guys are doing a wonderful job.
[14:46:04] <alex_joni> skunkworks: heh.. thanks
[15:03:11] <K`zan> skunkworks: didn't like my linksys card and it only gave me 640x480 in X.
[15:03:29] <alex_joni> linksys?
[15:03:36] <K`zan> ethernet card
[15:04:26] <K`zan> 640x480 is like staring at a billboard with your nose one it :-).
[15:06:22] <K`zan> Portmapper is missing :-(.
[15:06:29] <K`zan> ps
[15:07:15] <A-L-P-H-A> hey... can anyone get to my http server?
[15:08:30] <K`zan> A-L-P-H-A: Not loading here...
[15:08:34] <A-L-P-H-A> fuck
[15:12:12] <danex> Hello alex_joni
[15:12:31] <K`zan> The server at is taking too long to respond.
[15:14:16] <alex_joni> hi danex
[15:15:08] <danex> Had to jump hoops to get files transfered, they are on the site
[15:15:20] <alex_joni> on the site?
[15:15:31] <danex> I am getting the link
[15:16:09] <alex_joni> ok
[15:17:52] <danex> http://www.pastebin.ca/184940
[15:18:10] <danex> Hope your drive home was good
[15:20:17] <alex_joni> danex: I'll look into it
[15:21:37] <danex> Good deal
[15:22:13] <danex> One other thing, the delay message returned one time
[15:22:58] <danex> seems that it was on a test of the as400 connection when it happened
[15:23:22] <danex> i have not been able to duplicate it :)
[15:23:25] <alex_joni> I see..
[15:23:51] <K`zan> How does one get a root nautilus?
[15:25:02] <alex_joni> sudo nautilus
[15:27:31] <danex> alex_joni ,IT here gives me a thirty minute window on internet, it expires at noon local, I will check when I get home if you are on and report any other items then
[15:29:10] <alex_joni> guess that was it :)
[15:37:12] <K`zan> alex_joni: Thanks :-)!
[15:46:22] <MichelG> Hello
[15:46:29] <alex_joni> hello
[15:49:34] <skunkworks> MichelG: Explain to alex what you want to do with the estop. (I'm not seeing it)
[15:50:21] <MichelG> Hi skunkworks!
[15:50:30] <skunkworks> Hi :)
[15:51:18] <MichelG> Alex: I am hunting lost steps when doing joint->enable=0.
[15:52:47] <MichelG> I found that when doing that, in stepgen basically everything goes to 0 (lines 1081 & 539)
[15:53:32] <MichelG> I think that this is an error, as we don't control the deceleration and the stepper loose steps.
[15:53:44] <alex_joni> joint->enable is an estop
[15:53:51] <alex_joni> estop means we stop as fast as we can
[15:53:56] <alex_joni> not caring about losing position
[15:54:15] <skunkworks> ok - I'm not the only one that sees it that way.
[15:54:40] <alex_joni> usually, if you care about position, you rehome after estop
[15:54:55] <alex_joni> MichelG: if you only want to stop slowly.. you hit Esc (abort)
[15:55:00] <MichelG> I don't see things this way. 1) I have no percise home switch
[15:55:39] <alex_joni> MichelG: if it wouldn't be ESTOP.. I might agree with you
[15:55:46] <alex_joni> but ESTOP needs to stop at all costs
[15:55:55] <alex_joni> even if that means that the machine breaks
[15:56:01] <MichelG> 2) I modified emc so that if the probe trips when not doing g38.2, I stop (that avoids bending the probe :-(
[15:56:19] <alex_joni> MichelG: ok, that sounds good..
[15:56:26] <alex_joni> but maybe put something else than estop there
[15:56:36] <alex_joni> an abort message might be better
[15:56:43] <MichelG> BUT I still want to keep the coordinates!
[15:56:56] <alex_joni> MichelG: abort does keep everything
[15:57:07] <alex_joni> it just aborts any active moves
[15:57:15] <A-L-P-H-A> this working for anyone?
[15:57:56] <MichelG> so that I can go out of estop manually, and continue my work.
[15:58:15] <alex_joni> MichelG: then I suggest a pause message
[15:58:22] <MichelG> So, how do I abort?
[15:58:32] <alex_joni> MichelG: where do you set this?
[16:00:38] <kdibble> hi all, cradek around?
[16:00:47] <alex_joni> hi kdibble
[16:00:53] <kdibble> hi
[16:00:59] <alex_joni> he was earlier
[16:01:07] <cradek> what's up?
[16:01:17] <kdibble> got a dependecy issue with breezy and emc2
[16:01:17] <alex_joni> still is it seems :)
[16:01:53] <kdibble> The following packages have unmet dependencies:
[16:01:54] <kdibble> emc2: Depends: libglib1.2 (>= 1.2.0) but it is not installable
[16:01:54] <kdibble> Depends: libgtk1.2 (>= 1.2.10-4) but it is not installable
[16:01:54] <kdibble> Depends: libgtk1.2 but it is not installable
[16:01:54] <kdibble> E: Broken packages
[16:02:03] <kdibble> i have 2.0 of the packages
[16:02:31] <MichelG> I have modified process_inputs() in emc/motion, with either tpAbort() or joint->free_tp_enable=0, depending on which move is occuring.
[16:02:47] <cradek> kdibble: I bet you need to enable the ubuntu repositories in synaptic
[16:03:09] <alex_joni> cradek: it does sound strange that he has the packages installed
[16:03:22] <alex_joni> afaik it works with those too
[16:03:25] <kdibble> so 2.0 not greater than 1.2 or major revs dont count
[16:03:34] <alex_joni> kdibble: different things
[16:03:37] <cradek> oh I didn't see the whole thing
[16:03:45] <cradek> you can install them both without problems
[16:04:04] <alex_joni> kdibble: I think they are treated as different packages
[16:04:09] <kdibble> where can I get the old packages, they dont show up in synaptic
[16:04:10] <cradek> to run the binaries, you need the libraries it was compiled with
[16:04:30] <cradek> Filename: pool/main/g/glib1.2/libglib1.2_1.2.10-10ubuntu1_i386.deb
[16:04:38] <cradek> they're in the main ubuntu repository
[16:04:48] <cradek> Filename: pool/main/g/gtk+1.2/libgtk1.2_1.2.10-17build1_i386.deb
[16:04:49] <alex_joni> kdibble: check /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:04:59] <kdibble> I just clicked the emc2 install script and got blown out with these errors
[16:05:19] <alex_joni> kdibble: bet you didn't have internet connection while you installed breezy
[16:05:29] <cradek> enable the main ubuntu repository in synaptic, or by editing /etc/apt/sources.list
[16:05:44] <cradek> brb
[16:05:44] <alex_joni> if that's the case, the default ubuntu repository isn't activated, and you need to do that as cradek just suggested
[16:05:52] <kdibble> k,thanks
[16:08:34] <kdibble> that seems to have fixed it, thanks
[16:08:42] <alex_joni> kdibble: cool
[16:09:06] <kdibble> now i just hope it works better than the coolcnc package with emc2
[16:09:42] <alex_joni> kdibble: what was wrong with that?
[16:09:59] <kdibble> alex_joni: couldnt get repeatable results
[16:10:19] <kdibble> alex_joni: crashed regularly, too
[16:10:24] <alex_joni> ouch
[16:10:44] <kdibble> alex_joni: cradek recommended i try breezy
[16:10:47] <skunkworks> kdibble: what kind of hardware? have you run a latency test on it?
[16:10:55] <MichelG> alex: sorry, not abort, pause. How do I send a pause message from process_inputs() that does not trips enable in stepgen, and which works either in free or coordinated move? (I have not seen any exemples in the code)
[16:11:12] <alex_joni> MichelG: still thinking :)
[16:11:14] <kdibble> dont know about latency test, 1.7GHZ amd with 128mb ram
[16:11:25] <skunkworks> integrated video?
[16:11:29] <kdibble> yep
[16:11:37] <skunkworks> that might be part of your problem.
[16:11:55] <kdibble> known problem?
[16:11:59] <alex_joni> kdibble: once installed .. check http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?TroubleShooting#RTAI_Latency_test
[16:12:02] <alex_joni> kdibble: yes
[16:12:16] <alex_joni> kdibble: usually adding a cheap PCI/AGP card helps a lot
[16:12:30] <alex_joni> and of course disabling the onboard from the BIOS
[16:12:36] <skunkworks> shared memory video is the issue - so I have heard.
[16:12:51] <kdibble> I was just using this box because I didn't want to use a smp box
[16:13:02] <MichelG> kdibble: I had the problem, solved with a pci video card instead of the integrated one.
[16:13:16] <alex_joni> MichelG: tpPause ?
[16:13:23] <kdibble> thanks, I'll keep it in mind
[16:14:09] <MichelG> I'll have a look at it this WE. But does it work in free mode?
[16:14:25] <alex_joni> don't think so
[16:14:47] <kdibble> thanks for the help guys, I'll let you know how it turns out
[16:14:50] <kdibble> bye
[16:15:07] <skunkworks> what is a smp box?
[16:15:51] <alex_joni> skunkworks: simetrical multiprocessor
[16:16:21] <alex_joni> MichelG: free_tp_enable = 0
[16:16:24] <MichelG> alex: also, I'm not sure, but the stepper could break stronger if it stays synchronised (stronger braking torque)
[16:17:48] <MichelG> So the estop could be in fact faster if stopping in an orderly fashion!!!
[16:17:57] <alex_joni> if you set free_tp_enable to 0 it should stop obeying limits
[16:18:12] <alex_joni> MichelG: no, usually ESTOP means motors off, brakes on
[16:18:45] <MichelG> alex: thanks a lot; I'll try on saturday and keep you informed.
[16:19:08] <MichelG> alex: on a stepper, there are no brakes!!!
[16:19:34] <MichelG> I am talking about a stepgen patch.
[16:21:31] <alex_joni> MichelG: send a patch to the dev list :)
[16:22:28] <MichelG> OK, with diff -u from the current CVS on a pastebin ?
[16:22:43] <alex_joni> or attached to an email
[16:23:07] <MichelG> OK, I'll register and send that this WE.
[16:23:19] <alex_joni> cool
[16:23:31] <alex_joni> MichelG: best case.. there will be talks and people agree
[16:23:40] <alex_joni> worst case .. they don't :P
[16:24:22] <alex_joni> but I like your idea to abort/stop on touching with the probe
[16:24:23] <MichelG> I think both options make sense; and I'll do some tests to see with my sherline whatś the fastest stop.
[16:25:09] <MichelG> Alex: my probe patch work. I'll post it too.
[16:26:50] <alex_joni> good
[16:30:39] <skunkworks> anyone have a part number for opto-isolators they have had good luck with? Mine just take too much current to switch on. 5-10ma would be nice. (I am looking)
[16:31:50] <A-L-P-H-A> skunkworks: the gecko ones are good and quick
[16:32:01] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/halcmd.c: typo caused bad things to happen :)
[16:32:04] <A-L-P-H-A> skunkworks: want to hang on, will I pull a part #?
[16:32:07] <skunkworks> Do you have a part number?
[16:32:08] <skunkworks> thanks
[16:36:35] <A-L-P-H-A> here's the numbers on it
[16:36:37] <A-L-P-H-A> QTC
[16:36:51] <A-L-P-H-A> 2591
[16:36:57] <A-L-P-H-A> 0022t1
[16:37:15] <skunkworks> I will see what I can find - thanks
[16:38:29] <MichelG> cradek: OT. It seems that you have experience with PCB engraving. is 10,000 RPM enough for good results with a carbide V mill?
[16:40:25] <cradek> yes but your velocity will be limited
[16:40:40] <cradek> the tools I use suggest .0005/tooth which would be 10ipm at 10krpm (2 teeth)
[16:41:18] <MichelG> cradek: not a problem. I want to avoid olimex turnaround time, at least for simple PCB. I use EAGLE.
[16:41:31] <A-L-P-H-A> hate it when you misplace a tool, or measuring tape, or flashlight. especially the good ones.
[16:41:32] <cradek> same here
[16:44:56] <skunkworks> make sure your spindle is running tru. I was using a router that was .007 out of round.
[16:45:31] <cradek> ouch
[16:46:13] <MichelG> cradek: think & tinker have 60deg tip either regular or ZrN ??? coated, does it makes a difference?
[16:46:40] <cradek> mine are so old that the coating was not yet available - so I don't know
[16:47:02] <MichelG> So the regular ones work OK.
[16:47:52] <A-L-P-H-A> cradek: how old is that?
[16:48:05] <A-L-P-H-A> cool always just add some coolant while milling those boards.
[16:48:11] <A-L-P-H-A> still can't find that flash light.
[16:48:42] <A-L-P-H-A> damn good one too... 1" dia, 4" long, 8 white leds... machined alu case.
[16:48:58] <skunkworks> I bought some recently - they where non coated also.
[16:49:10] <skunkworks> seem to work just fine :)
[16:49:35] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: not sure
[16:49:44] <cradek> MichelG: yes the regular carbide ones work great
[16:50:49] <cradek> they recommend 20krpm and 20ipm, and I notice they do seem to work better at that speed
[16:51:22] <cradek> but I cut a lot of boards at about 8krpm -- vacuum to remove the chips/dust is helpful because it doesn't "fly away" very well
[16:51:52] <MichelG> OK but my mill goes to 10KRPM only (sherline)
[16:52:14] <cradek> do you have those special pulleys for 10krpm?
[16:53:17] <MichelG> Yes, this is my regular installation (plastic & alu mainly, forget aboot iron)
[16:53:26] <MichelG> this works great.
[16:53:48] <cradek> cool
[16:54:25] <cradek> I've cut steel on my similarly-sized mill - you just have to be gentle
[16:55:08] <MichelG> But with 10krpm, you don't have enough torque at low speed.
[16:55:23] <cradek> right you'd have to change pulleys
[16:55:48] <MichelG> I do RC helis, and delrin is OK for parts.
[16:55:49] <cradek> the sherline motor is quite strong with appropriate gearing, I like it
[16:56:12] <cradek> do you use special tooling for the delrin? I had some problems with it melting
[16:58:01] <skunkworks> cradek: show him picture of your laith servo mounts.
[16:58:02] <MichelG> You just have to advance faster. delrin is a LOT better than nylon on this aspect, and a real pleasure to mill. Normal endmills in HSS works very well; also, a flycutter is good for flat surfaces.
[17:02:21] <cradek> MichelG: 2 flute?
[17:04:06] <MichelG> I use 2 & 4 flutes. The trick is to have a chip of at least some thickness; if problem, slow spindle and increase feed.
[17:04:44] <MichelG> so that the mill *cuts*, not abrase.
[17:05:18] <alex_joni> danex: too bad you left..
[17:05:30] <alex_joni> just tried the M1xx stuff, and it does work as I expect it to
[17:05:39] <alex_joni> and it works the same in MDI and Auto
[17:16:30] <skunkworks> alex_joni: playing with your mill?
[17:25:59] <K`zan> wb Jymmm
[17:26:49] <Jymmm> ty, but I'm not here right now, please leave a message at the beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.
[17:28:43] <Jymmm> did you ever get a clean install going?
[17:32:26] <pier_gar> MichelG: do you use 4 cutter flute to cut aluminium?
[17:37:52] <K`zan> Jymmm: Yes, finally. Ubuntu did not like my linksys ethernet card *at all* and I finally remembered enough to find how to reconfigure the xserver. All seems to be well now! HappyDance:-).
[17:38:19] <K`zan> brb
[17:39:20] <Jymmm> K`zan: Ah, I've never ever had that problem as I have ALWAYS used 3com or intel nics.
[17:39:59] <K`zan> Jim, these days I use whatever I find cheap :-). Most of the time it works out fine.
[17:40:27] <K`zan> All I have to do now is read up on EMC and figure out how to configure the xylotex driver...
[17:40:36] <Jymmm> In 15 years I have always used 3com/intel
[17:40:39] <K`zan> And get an ethernet cable into the shop.
[17:40:54] <K`zan> I stuck with 3Com up until about 3 years ago.
[17:41:35] <K`zan> Most of the MBs now have them built in, so I just use 'em. Only problem I have is an occasiona twitch on an old 3Com card that somehow manages to hang the switch :-).
[17:41:38] <skunkworks> I have had good luck with intel's - 3com actually let me down a few times. (I really use what ever I can find now- lots of linksys ;))
[17:41:59] <K`zan> I generally avoid anything intel :-).
[17:42:48] <K`zan> That one weirdie with the hanging of the switch is the only problem I have had with 3com. Well, other than no drivers for them in 64 bit whinedoz.
[17:42:54] <K`zan> bbiaf
[18:12:22] <tfmacz> Hello all, anyone out there help me set up a hal file for the axis limit switches???
[18:14:53] <jepler> tfmacz: Consider this *home switch* example from nist-lathe:
[18:14:54] <jepler> newsig homeswitches bit
[18:14:54] <jepler> linkps parport.0.pin-10-in => homeswitches
[18:14:54] <jepler> linkps axis.0.home-sw-in <= homeswitches
[18:14:54] <jepler> linkps axis.2.home-sw-in <= homeswitches
[18:15:36] <jepler> you'd write something similar but use pins like axis.0.neg-lim-sw-in instead of .home-sw-in
[18:16:29] <tfmacz> Ok, That is what I was missing. I will give it a try... Thanks..
[18:39:01] <A-L-P-H-A> my lappy quit?
[18:39:02] <A-L-P-H-A> wth
[18:39:11] <alpha-lappy> no
[18:39:13] <alpha-lappy> i'm back
[18:39:16] <alpha-lappy> weird
[18:39:17] <alpha-lappy> nm
[18:42:27] <anonimasu> hello
[18:43:13] <alpha-lappy> hi
[18:43:26] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: where are those photos? :D
[18:43:30] <anonimasu> still none
[18:43:41] <anonimasu> I'll get you pics when I make parts ;)
[18:43:42] <A-L-P-H-A> why not? no camera?
[18:43:46] <A-L-P-H-A> ashamed of your work?
[18:43:53] <anonimasu> haha, no
[18:44:07] <anonimasu> no camera right now
[18:44:11] <A-L-P-H-A> then share some photos! :) I'm interested in the conversion process
[18:44:13] <A-L-P-H-A> oh.
[18:44:18] <A-L-P-H-A> beg, borrow, steal.
[18:44:35] <anonimasu> :)
[18:44:50] <anonimasu> I fucked up a part today :/
[18:44:54] <A-L-P-H-A> Have you met alex_joni? doesn't he live like within 10 hrs of you?
[18:44:59] <anonimasu> I were going to weld my ballnut mount togther
[18:45:05] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: did you use lube?
[18:45:12] <anonimasu> oh, haha ofcourse nog
[18:45:13] <anonimasu> not
[18:45:19] <anonimasu> but the tig were fscking
[18:45:31] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't know how to tig.
[18:45:37] <anonimasu> :)
[18:45:42] <A-L-P-H-A> as I don't have a tig... I have a mig.
[18:45:44] <anonimasu> it was aluminium not surprisingly
[18:45:52] <anonimasu> need to weld it at work..
[18:46:00] <A-L-P-H-A> friend is 'borrowing' my mig welder... even though he has one, except his is shit... and mine's way bette.r
[18:46:08] <anonimasu> hehe
[18:46:09] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: oh.
[18:46:12] <anonimasu> I have a mig but I rather tig
[18:46:22] <A-L-P-H-A> my welder has been at his place for like a month now.
[18:46:24] <anonimasu> I need something like 180A or something
[18:46:36] <A-L-P-H-A> well, it's alu... you need the heat (therefore amps)
[18:46:44] <anonimasu> hehe, I can preheat it..
[18:46:51] <A-L-P-H-A> how do you write the degree symbol, and euro sign in linux?
[18:47:05] <anonimasu> but I'm not bothering
[18:47:16] <anonimasu> alt + E ?
[18:47:18] <anonimasu> err e
[18:48:00] <anonimasu> I turned a new mount though..
[18:48:36] <anonimasu> I wont be making the final one in alu..
[18:49:36] <anonimasu> but I'm going to cnc the mount..
[18:50:23] <anonimasu> I dont know how to make the degree symbol..
[18:50:30] <anonimasu> I dont have one on my swedish keyboard
[18:50:48] <anonimasu> altgr + e
[18:51:57] <anonimasu> 3:)
[18:53:51] <skunkworks> can anyone get into paypal or is it just me?
[18:54:38] <skunkworks> (makes it sound like I am the only one that can get into paypal. Hope people understand what I ment ;))
[18:55:07] <anonimasu> alpha-lappy: I'm so looking forward to making parts
[18:55:26] <skunkworks> * skunkworks meant - can anyone get into paypal?
[18:55:31] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm actually here
[18:55:35] <A-L-P-H-A> well... going to take a dump now
[18:55:36] <A-L-P-H-A> bbiab
[18:55:37] <anonimasu> yes
[18:55:43] <anonimasu> though I havent logged in
[18:55:51] <anonimasu> as I dont have my pass here
[18:55:55] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: laters :)
[18:55:56] <bill20r3> * bill20r3 trys
[18:56:08] <Jymmm> * Jymmm was able to successfully login to paypal
[18:56:15] <bill20r3> I got in.
[18:56:17] <skunkworks> odd. I can't at all.
[18:56:19] <skunkworks> crap
[18:56:30] <skunkworks> I got this email you see....... J/K
[18:58:04] <anonimasu> ^_^
[18:59:40] <skunkworks> odd - I can login from a different computer.
[19:04:37] <alex_joni> hi
[19:06:46] <pier_casa> hi all
[19:07:40] <pier_casa> do you think this could be a good choice?
[19:07:43] <pier_casa> http://www.mjcnc.com/product_info.php?cPath=58&products_id=172
[19:10:44] <pier_casa> I am looking around the web for a new tool
[19:12:45] <skunkworks> that looks very similar to the "rotozip" that we got from sears. that is what I have been using to cut circuit boards.
[19:13:13] <anonimasu> hm.. looks nice
[19:13:31] <anonimasu> I'd search cnczone and look if anyone has had bad experience's with it
[19:14:38] <pier_casa> fact is that high speed is not suitable for metals
[19:14:54] <pier_casa> but 800W is good power
[19:15:39] <pier_casa> perhaps with a gearbox it would be possible to get adeguate torque at lower rpm
[19:17:30] <pier_casa> and this one
[19:17:33] <pier_casa> http://www.mjcnc.com/product_info.php?cPath=58&products_id=217
[19:17:58] <pier_casa> is a bit too much expensive
[19:19:58] <skunkworks> where has jacky been I wonder. (or did he change his name again :))
[19:20:25] <robin_sz> "fact is that high speed is not suitable for metals" ... WEIRD.
[19:20:57] <pier_casa> I mean working aluminium
[19:21:07] <robin_sz> you know that professional mold making mills often have air turbine tooling, 160,000 rpm or so?
[19:21:50] <pier_casa> mine is not professional... is out of a hobbyst garage :)
[19:22:28] <pier_casa> and perhaps their tools cost more than my poor router
[19:22:50] <pier_casa> not "perhaps".... surely
[19:23:04] <skunkworks> the sprockets you see here http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/zaxis.JPG Where made with a router and 1/4 carbide cutter
[19:24:21] <pier_casa> nery nice
[19:24:22] <skunkworks> (and lots of wd/40 ;))
[19:25:52] <pier_casa> skunkworks: I am referring to old school books tables when choosing proper cutting speed and feed
[19:26:18] <pier_casa> so I put down a spreadsheet an make my calculations
[19:26:44] <pier_casa> so I never csidered carbide tools
[19:26:54] <pier_casa> but just HSS ones
[19:27:49] <pier_casa> http://pier.unirc.eu/software/calcolo_pot_fresa.ods
[19:28:35] <A-L-P-H-A> man... gnome's slow
[19:28:50] <A-L-P-H-A> go back to iceWM? :/
[19:29:23] <A-L-P-H-A> like, when I close a window, there's a white box, that stays for maybe a second.
[19:32:48] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... doesn't do it anymore
[19:34:05] <MichelG> Bye
[19:34:12] <A-L-P-H-A> byew
[19:35:02] <alex_joni> robin_sz: dude
[19:39:16] <A-L-P-H-A> sweet
[19:41:07] <robin_sz> dood!
[19:41:25] <alex_joni> robin_sz: guess what I'm busy with :)
[19:41:32] <robin_sz> a hot blonde?
[19:41:36] <alex_joni> close
[19:41:41] <robin_sz> robot?
[19:41:45] <alex_joni> nope
[19:41:51] <alex_joni> cleaning up NML messages
[19:41:53] <alex_joni> lol
[19:41:54] <alex_joni> brb
[19:41:56] <robin_sz> hah,
[19:42:08] <robin_sz> see you in a year!
[19:42:35] <A-L-P-H-A> a hot blonde robot. hahaha
[19:43:19] <robin_sz> I saw a demo/video once that some students made ... there was this 6 axis robot right, and this girl ..
[19:44:24] <robin_sz> I'll leave the rest to your imaginations ;)
[19:44:38] <A-L-P-H-A> did the robot have tenticles?
[19:44:52] <robin_sz> worse .. it had a PDP-11
[19:45:35] <robin_sz> actually, that particular PDP-11 "mysteriously" caught fire ...
[19:46:28] <robin_sz> some people say that we accidentally let a mains transformer that was supplying 12V to some bits of circuit fall into the back of it ..
[19:46:47] <robin_sz> but, we didnt do it, no one saw it, you cant prove a thing ;)
[19:54:49] <A-L-P-H-A> no clue what a pdp-11 is.
[19:55:08] <cradek> the computer unix was written on
[19:55:25] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz: needs to get out a little more.
[19:55:51] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz: quit playing with farm animals, and go have fun with the wife instead.
[19:57:10] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone know of a way to make thunderbird transparent?
[19:58:25] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: wrong channel
[19:58:37] <A-L-P-H-A> cradek: :)
[20:00:30] <A-L-P-H-A> emc weird error. http://pastebin.ca/185255
[20:02:15] <cradek> your asking about transparency makes me think you may have done something odd to your X to cause this
[20:02:21] <jepler> http://www.google.com/search?q=Application+initialization+failed%3A+this+isn%27t+a+Tk+applicationunknown+color+name+%22Black%22
[20:02:58] <jepler> http://www.ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-139679.html
[20:03:05] <jepler> "mm, with xserver-xgl not run, but with xorg yes. I think that xserver-xgl dont load rgb.txt"
[20:04:16] <jepler> if you're on the bleeding edge, stop asking why you have all these painful infected gashes
[20:04:25] <A-L-P-H-A> no
[20:04:25] <jepler> sorry, that was rude
[20:04:28] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm not bleeding edge anymore
[20:04:36] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm on dapper
[20:04:41] <A-L-P-H-A> not edgy
[20:04:58] <A-L-P-H-A> all I've done with customization is install an nvidia drive
[20:05:00] <cradek> puss-filled?
[20:05:12] <A-L-P-H-A> cradek: salt and iodine only
[20:05:36] <A-L-P-H-A> I tried that fix... sudo ln -s /etc/X11/rgb.txt /usr/share/X11/rgb.txt didn't work.
[20:06:46] <A-L-P-H-A> here's what I got. http://pastebin.ca/185263 for xorg.conf
[20:07:16] <A-L-P-H-A> I see a problem in that xorg.conf
[20:07:56] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't have a a rgb file in /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/rgb
[20:13:47] <A-L-P-H-A> whee!!! I fixed it
[20:14:04] <A-L-P-H-A> locate "rgb.txt" and then corrected the path in xorg.conf
[20:16:53] <A-L-P-H-A> I wonder what I did with the ubuntu EMC live CD...
[20:17:09] <A-L-P-H-A> is there a ubuntu 6.06 EMC live cd?
[20:17:29] <A-L-P-H-A> last I checked it was breezy
[20:18:33] <skunkworks> www.linuxcnc.org :)
[20:19:35] <A-L-P-H-A> guess the file name could have told me. :D
[20:20:10] <A-L-P-H-A> who's ever server that is... it's uber fast...
[20:20:18] <A-L-P-H-A> I can't speak.
[20:20:59] <skunkworks> I was getting 333MBs when I downloaded it. Very nice.
[20:21:00] <alex_joni> fast?
[20:21:10] <alex_joni> skunkworks: no sh*t
[20:21:28] <alex_joni> skunkworks: can you really afford that kind of bandwith
[20:21:33] <alex_joni> bandwidth..
[20:21:41] <alex_joni> somehow I SERIOUSLY doubt it :P
[20:21:55] <cradek> I bet you mean kB/s
[20:22:07] <skunkworks> yes - sorry
[20:22:18] <skunkworks> I was looking it over thinking what mistake did I make :)
[20:22:25] <skunkworks> 333KB/s
[20:22:25] <alex_joni> skunkworks: :P
[20:22:35] <alex_joni> still pretty decent :)
[20:22:38] <skunkworks> very
[20:22:46] <Jymmm> KB/s or Kb/s ?
[20:22:48] <alex_joni> I get a bit more from my mirror
[20:22:54] <cradek> it's nice when I find something that can saturate my incoming line like that
[20:22:55] <skunkworks> I am assume that was my limit - 3kbs
[20:23:31] <alex_joni> I got something like that from linuxcnc.org too (3-400kB/sec)
[20:24:35] <A-L-P-H-A> 333MBs?
[20:24:46] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm only getting 650kB/s
[20:24:49] <skunkworks> I made a mistake - OK :)
[20:25:20] <A-L-P-H-A> woohoo! i'm the fastest... I got the fastest pipe [non school wise]
[20:25:24] <alex_joni> most I get tops at around 5-6MB/sec
[20:25:38] <alex_joni> I got 7-8MB/sec but only for short whiles
[20:25:53] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni: sure it was just started before you hit save?
[20:26:08] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni: firefox lies when you do that... as it starts downloading before you hit okay/save
[20:26:21] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: I don't use firefox :)
[20:26:29] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni: msie? ;0
[20:26:32] <alex_joni> and on iso's I usually got enough time to notice
[20:26:34] <A-L-P-H-A> hehe
[20:26:36] <alex_joni> opera mostly
[20:26:46] <A-L-P-H-A> opera?
[20:26:55] <A-L-P-H-A> never really used it... big fan of FF
[20:32:46] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/user_comps/vcp/vcp_main.c: exit cleanly from hal on shutdown
[20:33:56] <anonimasu> hm
[20:34:09] <anonimasu> so did anyone rs232 <> hal
[20:35:19] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/command.c: notify user of error, so he can complain :)
[20:35:27] <A-L-P-H-A> LOL
[20:35:46] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: ?
[20:35:54] <anonimasu> I have this fancy plc ;)
[20:36:02] <A-L-P-H-A> <CIA-8> alex_joni HEAD * emc2/src/emc/motion/command.c: notify user of error, so he can complain :)
[20:36:07] <anonimasu> ah
[20:36:10] <A-L-P-H-A> I thought it was funny
[20:36:22] <A-L-P-H-A> a fanny pic? ;)
[20:36:28] <A-L-P-H-A> lets see this fanny pic
[20:36:38] <alex_joni> fancy plc
[20:36:54] <alex_joni> anonimasu: rs232 per se is easy
[20:36:59] <A-L-P-H-A> see, Fanny in north america, means, ass... where as everywhere else, it means a girls private parts.
[20:37:06] <alex_joni> implementing a proper protocol is the hard part
[20:37:08] <anonimasu> alex_joni: I know, just curious if anyone else has done it..
[20:37:14] <skunkworks> cradek: after you got your servos "tuned" did you lower the following error back down?
[20:37:25] <anonimasu> alex_joni: I'll use 2 x rs232
[20:37:27] <cradek> yes way down
[20:37:30] <anonimasu> one for the keypad stuff..
[20:37:34] <anonimasu> another one for mill i/o
[20:37:35] <cradek> so it stops when I smash it into something!
[20:37:50] <skunkworks> right - that is what I figured - what did you set it to?
[20:38:04] <skunkworks> and have you gotten and following errors in normal running?
[20:38:19] <anonimasu> or maybe I'll just figure out a protocol.
[20:38:20] <cradek> don't recall - maybe .1mm or so
[20:38:31] <cradek> no I haven't had following errors except when I screw up
[20:38:51] <skunkworks> cool - Still getting warm fuzzies about it all :)
[20:39:05] <anonimasu> the problem is mostly deciding what data I want :)
[20:40:26] <cradek> cool, I left the machine on
[20:40:29] <cradek> FERROR = .1
[20:40:29] <cradek> MIN_FERROR = .02
[20:40:35] <anonimasu> alex_joni: how does this sound for a protocol, [START_PACKET][type][PAYLOAD][CHECKSUM][END_PACKET]
[20:40:38] <cradek> remember this is mm
[20:40:48] <cradek> so it's set very tight
[20:40:59] <alex_joni> anonimasu: soudns good
[20:41:07] <anonimasu> but, might need to have a delimiter before the payload, and after type..
[20:41:10] <anonimasu> yeah
[20:41:12] <anonimasu> that's it.
[20:41:44] <skunkworks> cradek: what where the difference again between min and ferror? one was g0/jogs?
[20:42:07] <anonimasu> unknown type's of data are just discarded.
[20:42:28] <anonimasu> maybe I should add a ack.. for each transmission
[20:42:29] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/demo_mazak/demo_mazak.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:32] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/hexapod-sim/minitetra.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:32] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/etch-servo/etch.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:32] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/halui_halvcp/halui.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:32] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/demo_step_cl/demo_step_cl.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:32] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/m5i20/m5i20.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:34] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/nist-lathe/inch.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:36] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/dallur-thc/dallur-advanced.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:38] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/max/max.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:40] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/stepper/ (sim_inch.ini stepper_inch.ini stepper_mm.ini): [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:43] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/vti/vti.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:45] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/univstep/univstep.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:47] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/univpwm/univpwm.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:49] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/sim/ (7 files): [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:53] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/motenc/motenc.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:55] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/stepper-xyza/inch.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:57] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/ppmc/ppmc.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:42:59] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/stg/stg.ini: [AXIS]CYCLE_TIME is no longer used
[20:43:02] <anonimasu> and ack every message that comed/goes.
[20:43:11] <cradek> skunkworks: ferror is proportional to speed; min_ferror keeps it from going to 0 when stopped
[20:44:16] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/ini/initraj.cc: removed old code referencing various INDEXes and POLARITies which are nowadays (and quite well) handled by HAL
[20:44:18] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/ (emcmotglb.h motion.c usrmotintf.cc): removed old code referencing various INDEXes and POLARITies which are nowadays (and quite well) handled by HAL
[20:44:20] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/nml_intf/ (emc.cc emc.hh emccfg.h emcglb.c emcglb.h emcops.cc): removed old code referencing various INDEXes and POLARITies which are nowadays (and quite well) handled by HAL
[20:44:21] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/task/ (emctaskmain.cc taskintf.cc): removed old code referencing various INDEXes and POLARITies which are nowadays (and quite well) handled by HAL
[20:44:31] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/ (emcrsh.cc emcsh.cc usrmot.c xemc.cc): removed old code referencing various INDEXes and POLARITies which are nowadays (and quite well) handled by HAL
[20:44:31] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/extensions/emcmodule.cc: removed old code referencing various INDEXes and POLARITies which are nowadays (and quite well) handled by HAL
[20:44:48] <cradek> whoooosh
[20:45:00] <alex_joni> it's flooding day
[20:45:52] <cradek> skunkworks: I figured it was documented on the wiki, but what I found includes stuff like "In my thinking, I simply assume that the ferror numbers are a percent of ..."
[20:46:02] <cradek> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl/emcinfo.pl?Following_Error
[20:46:15] <anonimasu> hm..
[20:46:17] <cradek> the missing image doesn't help either
[20:46:24] <anonimasu> hm, that's probably sane.
[20:47:01] <anonimasu> and queue up events...
[20:49:00] <skunkworks> it make sense in an abstract sort of way. (I am sure hands on will make more sense)
[20:49:17] <anonimasu> eh
[20:49:21] <anonimasu> ah
[20:52:17] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/ini/iniaxis.cc: remove reference to [AXIS_*] CYCLE_TIME
[20:54:22] <A-L-P-H-A> should one always machine from only one direction?
[20:54:44] <skunkworks> depends on how rigid your machine is
[20:54:56] <A-L-P-H-A> i'll say, not as well as I would like
[20:55:05] <skunkworks> if it isn't very rigid - stay away from climb milling.
[20:55:27] <skunkworks> rigid/backlash
[20:59:35] <skunkworks> most likely will only be an issue when your machining metal.
[21:06:33] <A-L-P-H-A> is there an ETA on gcode scripts?
[21:07:17] <cradek> you mean a machining-time estimate?
[21:12:12] <skunkworks> cradek: did you have any cool Oscillations when you first hooked the servos up?
[21:12:59] <cradek> not really - I've been meaning to try out that tuning method named after the two guys with a hyphen between their names
[21:13:15] <cradek> the one where you measure the free oscillation
[21:14:45] <skunkworks> no clue what your talking about - but it sounds neet :)
[21:14:50] <sbailard_> I'm installing emc2 on a stock debian system -I was going to do it just by downloading the .deb's and installing them- any gotcha's to watch out for? (I asked earlier today, but no-one was on.)
[21:15:18] <alex_joni> sbailard_: the kernel will probably not work
[21:15:21] <cradek> you know you need a realtime kernel right?
[21:16:30] <sbailard_> Isn't there a .deb with a realtime kernel?
[21:17:19] <sbailard_> linux-image-2.6.15-magma_aj4_i386.deb
[21:17:26] <cradek> yes but using kernel debs on other distributions is not well tested, it might be fine if you're experienced with that kind of thing
[21:17:52] <cradek> and by not well tested, I actually mean none of us have ever tried it :-)
[21:18:14] <sbailard_> I'll give it a try. Debian is the basis for ubuntu, so I figure it will work.
[21:18:15] <alex_joni> all I ever tried was running dapper with the breezy kernel
[21:18:21] <alex_joni> and that was problematic
[21:18:43] <cradek> sbailard_: it will be interesting to hear your results, please let us know
[21:19:18] <sbailard_> I will. I'm running debian on my other machines, so I'd rather not go ubuntu on my machine controller.
[21:21:13] <sbailard_> Change of subject - I'm using xchat - is there a standard way to reply in irc of the form "username:", or does one alway type it out by hand?
[21:21:50] <cradek> try tab completion
[21:22:03] <cradek> I don't use xchat but I think virtually all irc clients do that
[21:22:20] <sbailard_> Ah. xchat does it. I had no idea.
[21:22:45] <sbailard_> cradek: thanks. I skimmed some docs and faqs, but couldn't find it.
[21:22:56] <cradek> welcome
[21:23:03] <cradek> that's the kind of thing that's only obvious after you know it
[21:23:27] <cradek> they may not even think to document it because "everyone" knows already
[21:23:40] <sbailard_> I've another question. Is anyone using emc to control a rapid protoyper?
[21:24:01] <skunkworks> layerd paper?
[21:24:07] <alex_joni> sbailard_: 3d printer?
[21:24:13] <sbailard_> FDM (glue gun type)
[21:24:36] <cradek> possibly I guess but I haven't heard anyone talk about it here
[21:24:50] <cradek> there was some talk on the mailing list about a new project like that where they wanted to use emc
[21:24:57] <sbailard_> That was me.
[21:25:04] <cradek> aha
[21:25:29] <cradek> we've found that we have LOTS of users that we have never heard from, so it's hard to say what emc is being used for. emc2 is so very flexible now.
[21:25:29] <sbailard_> I'm using emc to control my mill,
[21:25:45] <sbailard_> but I'm also using my mill as a RP.
[21:25:57] <sbailard_> Or rather I will be, after I machine the extruder.
[21:26:05] <cradek> ok then the answer to your question is yes
[21:26:46] <cradek> you might be the first, which would be cool
[21:26:59] <sbailard_> Actually, our driver is going to be this java based thing, probably.
[21:27:03] <cradek> there's already support for digital outputs that synchronize exactly with the motion
[21:27:05] <alex_joni> sbailard_: remember to take some pictures
[21:27:25] <alex_joni> sbailard_: maybe even add one to frappr.com/emc2
[21:27:28] <sbailard_> The project is documented at RepRap.org + some other websites.
[21:27:35] <cradek> have to run... goodnight all
[21:27:42] <alex_joni> night chris
[21:27:48] <sbailard_> Thanks.
[21:27:48] <skunkworks> night
[21:28:44] <sbailard_> I can go on about reprap for hours - I'm going to lurk for a while, unless anyone has questions.
[21:29:44] <alex_joni> flooding again :)
[21:29:49] <anonimasu> hehe
[21:29:54] <anonimasu> bbiab
[21:33:06] <bill20r3> can you make me one quicklike?
[21:33:13] <bill20r3> rapidly?
[21:35:15] <alex_joni> darn.. CIA-8 is sleeping again :(
[21:37:19] <robin_sz> hmm 3d printer ...
[21:39:56] <bill20r3> neato
[21:41:07] <alex_joni> this ain't fair.. it's always my messages which CIA doesn't count :)
[21:41:46] <A-L-P-H-A> finally notched out the power switch in my power supply. hahaha.
[21:41:55] <A-L-P-H-A> omg... that only took 2.5years.
[21:42:19] <A-L-P-H-A> hand nippers are painful... going to buy one of those air ones.
[21:42:26] <A-L-P-H-A> tomorrow... $40CDN. :)
[21:43:28] <A-L-P-H-A> and need rivets... screw making this thing again with bolts... takes too freak'n long... rivets look cool enough.
[21:44:46] <A-L-P-H-A> shit... nm... sale doesn't start till the 3rd. :(
[21:47:40] <sbailard_> * sbailard_ de-lurks
[21:47:50] <sbailard_> robin_sz: Question?
[21:49:33] <anonimasu> *yawn*
[21:51:55] <sbailard_> * sbailard_ re-lurks
[21:56:43] <A-L-P-H-A> damn blister from the hand nipper.
[22:01:43] <A-L-P-H-A> what's a uber flow charting proggy for linux?
[22:09:12] <alex_joni> good night all
[22:09:16] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni:
[22:09:16] <A-L-P-H-A> wait
[22:09:22] <A-L-P-H-A> what's a good flow charting app?
[22:09:23] <alex_joni> wha?
[22:09:23] <anonimasu> night
[22:09:26] <alex_joni> no idea A-L-P-H-A
[22:09:31] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: you know?
[22:09:33] <anonimasu> no
[22:09:40] <alex_joni> but I know someone who knows
[22:09:41] <A-L-P-H-A> want to diagram my power supply.
[22:09:42] <alex_joni> :D
[22:09:45] <A-L-P-H-A> who who?
[22:09:47] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz: ?
[22:09:48] <alex_joni> google :P
[22:09:50] <anonimasu> I gave up doing that stuff on a pc when I got a whiteboard
[22:09:50] <A-L-P-H-A> jepler:
[22:10:00] <A-L-P-H-A> google aint' giving me shit with the keywords I'm using
[22:10:17] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: if you want a schematic then eagle is what you need
[22:10:23] <alex_joni> for flowcharts I have no idea
[22:10:27] <alex_joni> good night
[22:10:28] <A-L-P-H-A> nah... not making a board...
[22:10:30] <A-L-P-H-A> good night
[22:10:37] <anonimasu> http://www.gnome.org/projects/dia/
[22:10:38] <anonimasu> there
[22:10:48] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: how's that?
[22:11:02] <A-L-P-H-A> I remember that app... kept crashing on me... but I'll try it again.
[22:17:00] <fenn> dia is pretty good i wot
[22:17:59] <fenn> if you're into self-flagellation you can try graphviz
[22:19:47] <fenn> and there's kivio, never tried it
[22:20:19] <A-L-P-H-A> trying out graphviz now
[22:21:47] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't even know how to start graphviz
[22:21:53] <fenn> 'dot'
[22:21:54] <A-L-P-H-A> dia I got started and was drawing...
[22:22:04] <fenn> graphviz is more of a display library
[22:22:24] <A-L-P-H-A> oh! I see... I have to define the data, and it draws it for me?
[22:22:39] <fenn> yep
[22:22:47] <A-L-P-H-A> okay... that's HARDCORE.
[22:22:55] <A-L-P-H-A> maybe if my data was in xml format already or something.
[22:22:59] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll stick with dia
[22:23:36] <A-L-P-H-A> is it safe to have one power switch to power my suppliers, and a 120vacto9vac transfer?
[22:24:29] <anonimasu> yes
[22:24:37] <anonimasu> if you switch, can handle the load.
[22:25:06] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah, the switch can.
[22:25:12] <A-L-P-H-A> pretty sure it can.
[22:26:06] <anonimasu> :)
[22:28:42] <A-L-P-H-A> I should read the engravings just to make absolutely sure.
[22:31:10] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as MrAsshole
[22:31:43] <MrAsshole> MrAsshole is now known as Jymmm
[22:32:23] <anonimasu> yeah
[22:32:37] <anonimasu> switches die fast from arc:ing too..
[22:46:26] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... it's rated for 6 amps.
[22:46:37] <A-L-P-H-A> the power plug = 6amps.
[22:46:44] <A-L-P-H-A> transfer is rated for 2amps.
[22:46:50] <A-L-P-H-A> switch is rated for 12amps
[22:47:14] <A-L-P-H-A> steppers are rated for 3.4amps (each)... that doesn't sound right at all.
[23:25:18] <K`zan> How to figure out what parallel ports I have?!?
[23:25:52] <K`zan> lspci does see the add in card: 0000:00:0d.0 Communication controller: NetMos Technology PCI 1 port parallel adapter (rev 01)
[23:26:10] <K`zan> nothing in /dev that looks likely...
[23:26:13] <fenn> there's a page on the wiki about netmos parport cards
[23:27:28] <K`zan> Oops, I must have missed it, been trying to figure out if ubuntu is seeing either. Printer admin seems magic in it's selection of ports - no option to pick...
[23:31:07] <weyland> ne 1 home?
[23:35:13] <A-L-P-H-A> nope
[23:35:17] <A-L-P-H-A> just us chickens
[23:35:57] <weyland> heh
[23:36:24] <weyland> any chickens that can answer questions about probing?
[23:36:36] <A-L-P-H-A> <-- this make sense? the gecko side is wired like that (geckos arrayed from the fueses)...
[23:36:36] <weyland> probing questions about probing, as it were...
[23:37:13] <A-L-P-H-A> I have no freak'n clue why I was told that 2amp rating transformer was good enough for me... Jan (something, from CCED) and Mariss said it was fine...
[23:37:45] <A-L-P-H-A> weyland: they are not meant to go into humans... especially from exit points.
[23:38:26] <weyland> Heh. they are when I'm pissed...
[23:38:57] <A-L-P-H-A> what ever floats your boat...
[23:39:01] <A-L-P-H-A> I know nothing about probes...
[23:39:08] <weyland> I've been trying to learn about probing/digitizing within EMC
[23:39:12] <A-L-P-H-A> but if someone's got an easy to make one... lets see the plans. :D
[23:39:16] <weyland> I can't seem to find much
[23:39:28] <A-L-P-H-A> I remember turbocnc having something like that.
[23:39:28] <weyland> actually, there *are* cheap ones being made
[23:39:38] <A-L-P-H-A> any good?
[23:39:39] <weyland> that's what's sparking my interest
[23:39:43] <weyland> yes, good
[23:39:46] <K`zan> Hummm, how many .ini? files do I have to hack ?
[23:40:02] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan: for emc? one.
[23:40:06] <weyland> and since I got my V2XT, I'd like to have my little EMC mill do probing now
[23:40:17] <fenn> i think you set some g code and then it stops and writes the current coordinates to a file when the probe input trips
[23:40:38] <weyland> right, but I can't find the file that one is supposed to run
[23:40:47] <weyland> was it taken away? (the ability)
[23:40:51] <fenn> its a mode, not a file
[23:40:57] <weyland> okay...
[23:40:58] <A-L-P-H-A> another day I'm too lazy to hit the gym
[23:40:58] <fenn> i dont think there are any example files
[23:40:59] <K`zan> /home/vw/stepper_inch.ini and xlyotex_pinout.hal and I gather there is one in /etc/emc I have to hack too?!?
[23:41:31] <K`zan> I guess I just pop up the emc docs on this box and keep reading :-).
[23:41:38] <weyland> is there an idiot's guide to probing with EMC
[23:41:41] <weyland> ?
[23:41:52] <fenn> i dont think so
[23:41:58] <weyland> I can't find anything useable in the docs
[23:42:02] <fenn> you might want to look in the old handbook
[23:42:17] <fenn> i dont think anyone's used probing with emc2 yet
[23:42:27] <weyland> I found a reference that said to run emcprobe, but can't FIND emcprobe...
[23:43:15] <weyland> I downloaded the latest ubuntu EMC and can't find anything there, either
[23:43:21] <fenn> there was some crowing on the mailing list a month ago about probing
[23:43:36] <weyland> cawww~! cawww~!
[23:43:50] <weyland> I'll go search that soon
[23:44:02] <A-L-P-H-A> is that the sound of a crow?
[23:44:10] <weyland> I posted yesterday or the day b4 but haven't seen a reply yet
[23:44:12] <weyland> yes
[23:44:16] <weyland> :)
[23:44:20] <A-L-P-H-A> weirdos
[23:44:24] <A-L-P-H-A> must be a yank thing
[23:44:29] <weyland> yeah... what's yer point?
[23:44:30] <weyland> :)
[23:47:25] <fenn> * fenn kicks sourceforge in the butt
[23:48:33] <fenn> weyland: well, as of march 27th probing wasn't functional yet
[23:48:39] <K`zan> Just a silly off the wall question here: Up at the local discount store they have a USB keypad and I am wondering if that is hackable to use as a manual controller with EMC? Anyone done anything like this ?
[23:49:29] <fenn> i havent, but, it is possible to use it as a pendant by messing with the keyboard shortcuts in tkemc
[23:50:26] <K`zan> fenn, Thanks, for $7 it looked like it had possibilities for that, I couldn't remember the word "pendant" :-). Gonna run down and grab one
[23:50:45] <fenn> there are some limitations on what you can do
[23:50:59] <fenn> you can't hook it up to a hal pin for instance
[23:51:30] <K`zan> Maybe better off doing something else. Just would be handy to have when standing in front of the mill.
[23:51:36] <A-L-P-H-A> one printer installed.... lets see if it gets the other
[23:51:42] <fenn> date: 2006/06/01 17:56:02; initial attempt at filling the blancs missing from probing.. it does work now for me.. notsure if it's working as it should though
[23:51:52] <weyland> fenn: just saw that in the archives
[23:52:20] <weyland> guess I gotta go back to EMC1 to use probing...? That sux huge.
[23:52:31] <fenn> try turning on g38.2 and setting the proper bit in hal
[23:52:34] <fenn> see what happens
[23:53:08] <weyland> Aroooo? "turning on" a g38.2? errr... wuzzat?
[23:53:18] <weyland> and how do I turn it on?
[23:53:18] <fenn> just issue g38.2 on the mdi line
[23:53:27] <weyland> hmmm... hold on...
[23:54:37] <fenn> oh oops
[23:54:46] <fenn> you have to issue some coordinates for it to move towards
[23:55:05] <fenn> g38.2 x1 y1 z1 and it should move and then give an error
[23:55:50] <fenn> here look at this: http://www.linuxcnc.org/handbook/RS274NGC_3/RS274NGC_33a.html#1001097
[23:57:29] <fenn> and hook your hal signal to motion.probe-input i guess
[23:58:29] <weyland> nice... much more info than I had, thanks