#emc | Logs for 2006-09-27

[00:20:53] <A-L-P-H-A> ,,,'
[00:29:02] <A-L-P-H-A> when you guys mill something, does it cause amount of vibration noises? I have stuff in the chip pan, but still... I wouldn't expect it to be that noisy.
[00:29:41] <jmkasunich> you might be pushing it too hard
[00:30:01] <jmkasunich> calculated feeds and speeds is one thing... getting it "right" for your particular machine and setup is another
[00:30:10] <jmkasunich> theres no substitute for practice
[00:30:31] <jmkasunich> you might want to use feedrate override and gradually increase the feed
[00:30:44] <jmkasunich> what are you cutting? steel, alum, stainless, inconel? ;-)
[00:30:48] <A-L-P-H-A> jmkasunich: ... I was endmilling a side of a heat sink...
[00:31:03] <jmkasunich> 1/2" cutter IIRC
[00:31:09] <jmkasunich> how deep?
[00:31:13] <A-L-P-H-A> Z depth was maybe 1/8"-3/16"...
[00:31:20] <jmkasunich> and how wide?
[00:31:27] <A-L-P-H-A> .2"
[00:31:38] <jmkasunich> any lube or coolant/
[00:31:39] <jmkasunich> ?
[00:31:40] <A-L-P-H-A> but not even really... as it was ball nosed.
[00:31:43] <A-L-P-H-A> no lube
[00:31:45] <A-L-P-H-A> no coolant
[00:31:56] <Jymmm> Inconel dry hss bit =)
[00:32:05] <A-L-P-H-A> carbide bit.
[00:32:16] <Jymmm> solid or tipped?
[00:32:19] <jmkasunich> personally I don't like carbide for home shop use
[00:32:24] <jmkasunich> the machines aren
[00:32:25] <Jymmm> jmkasunich how come?
[00:32:26] <jmkasunich> aren
[00:32:29] <jmkasunich> dammit
[00:32:51] <A-L-P-H-A> solid
[00:32:52] <jmkasunich> the machines aren't rigid or powerfull enough to use it to its full potential, and HSS is usually _sharper_
[00:33:12] <A-L-P-H-A> i got 3 for like $20cdn...
[00:33:17] <A-L-P-H-A> or 5 for $20...
[00:33:22] <A-L-P-H-A> it was a steal to say no
[00:33:55] <jmkasunich> the cutting edges of carbide tools usually have a tiny radius on them. On a rigid machine it doesn't matter, you take a thick chip, and the radius means theres no brittle edge to chip off under pressure
[00:34:17] <jmkasunich> but with a light machine, you often can't take that deep of a chip, so you find yourself cutting with that dull edge
[00:34:47] <jmkasunich> "tiny radius" = 0.002" or so
[00:35:03] <jmkasunich> as opposed to razor sharp for a good HSS tool
[00:35:17] <jmkasunich> anyway, back to what I was suggesting
[00:35:45] <jmkasunich> set the feedoverride low, start a cut, and gradually increase it. Let your ears be your guide - if the machine sounds unhappy, back off
[00:36:05] <jmkasunich> and use some lube - don't need much, just enough to keep chips from sticking to the tool
[00:36:21] <jmkasunich> I use wd-40 for aluminum, plain ole kerosene would work too
[00:36:54] <jmkasunich> just give the tool a spritz at the start of the cut, and ever couple minutes as you go along
[00:37:17] <A-L-P-H-A> jmkasunich: just spray it?
[00:37:21] <A-L-P-H-A> while it's cutting?
[00:37:22] <jmkasunich> yeah
[00:37:34] <A-L-P-H-A> like just a spurt every couple of seconds?
[00:37:47] <jmkasunich> every minute or so should be enough
[00:38:14] <jmkasunich> you're not trying to do flood cooling, just keep the tool slippery so the chips slide off instead of melting on to it
[00:38:51] <A-L-P-H-A> okay... wd40 ain't that bad... I have water soluable (sp) oil which I could use... like a 10 (water) : 1 (oil) ratio is sprayable... 20:1 would be mistable.
[00:39:21] <jmkasunich> I don't like that stuff - you have to clean it up well, or it goes rancid or makes stains on the table
[00:39:37] <A-L-P-H-A> oh true...
[00:39:39] <jmkasunich> if I was doing serious cutting and wanted flood cooling that would be different
[00:40:05] <jmkasunich> this should be required reading for every machinist: http://yarchive.net/metal/empirical_feed_rates.html
[00:41:37] <Jymmm> ~~~~~
[00:53:19] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't get this stupid tostitos commercial.
[00:53:53] <A-L-P-H-A> the guy does the 3 monty trick, but you clearly see him lifting the chip/tostito from one cup... but everyone around there is surprised.
[00:53:55] <A-L-P-H-A> odd.
[00:53:58] <A-L-P-H-A> <shrug>
[01:23:42] <K`zan> Done, not bad for the second block.
[01:37:48] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[01:38:18] <A-L-P-H-A> test
[01:38:27] <A-L-P-H-A> stupid time got shifted 3hrs ahead
[01:38:29] <A-L-P-H-A> wonder why
[01:38:31] <A-L-P-H-A> <shrug>
[01:59:20] <A-L-P-H-A> where is everyone??
[01:59:41] <jmkasunich> in a time warp
[02:00:05] <cradek> finally home!
[02:00:15] <jmkasunich> long day at work?
[02:00:51] <cradek> then family obligations
[02:01:05] <cradek> I like it at home best
[02:03:08] <A-L-P-H-A> hey cradek.
[02:03:50] <cradek> hi
[02:06:05] <jepler> hi cradek
[02:06:11] <cradek> hi
[02:07:05] <A-L-P-H-A> okay... I'm confused as to how to properly install some software.
[02:07:16] <fenn> rtfm!
[02:07:30] <A-L-P-H-A> azureus, has a whole folder, and binaries runnable.
[02:08:44] <A-L-P-H-A> err. just a sh file...
[02:08:59] <A-L-P-H-A> so should I just put that folder in /usr/local/bin/azureus?
[02:12:34] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/rtapi/rtai_rtapi.c:
[02:12:34] <CIA-8> set the task->state before suspending, in case the current task is the one
[02:12:34] <CIA-8> being suspended. restore old state if it fails.
[02:12:34] <CIA-8> print a message for one cause of failure rtapi_task_start
[02:12:47] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn's mean. :)
[02:14:03] <fenn> i have /usr/local/azureus/azureus
[02:14:12] <fenn> where /usr/local/azureus is the whole directory
[02:15:21] <fenn> make a symbolic link to it in /usr/local/bin
[02:16:29] <A-L-P-H-A> that's the normal way of doing things?
[02:18:26] <fenn> its the easy way
[02:41:01] <fenn> heh. "Heck, I'd RTFM if there was a FM for me to FR."
[02:49:57] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/rtapi/rtl_rtapi.c: set task->state to paused _before_ suspending the task, in case the current task is the one to be suspended
[02:51:08] <A-L-P-H-A> fenn: real men don't read manuals.
[03:05:23] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan: wouldn't this be more your boat? http://www.lathemaster.com/Benchtop%20Bandsaw.htm
[03:07:00] <K`zan> A-L-P-H-A: Might be saved the URL, will look at it later.
[03:07:04] <K`zan> A-L-P-H-A: Thanks!
[03:10:48] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan: np
[03:34:43] <K`zan> A-L-P-H-A: http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/MyMachineShop/Tools/Catchup-092606/index.html
[04:35:37] <A-L-P-H-A> can't sleep. :(
[04:36:04] <A-L-P-H-A> hey... I do'nt know how those knarwlers (sp) work...
[04:36:24] <A-L-P-H-A> I have a sissor one, so that's easy... it just clamps on, and you tighten... the harder you tighten the deeper the grooves.
[04:37:08] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan: what'd you use to make this? http://wrlabs.shacknet.nu/~vw/MyMachineShop/Tools/Catchup-092606/v200609171558-004.jpg
[05:35:46] <A-L-P-H-A> logger_aj: !bookmark
[05:35:46] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm logging. I don't understand '!bookmark', A-L-P-H-A. Try /msg logger_aj help
[05:35:50] <A-L-P-H-A> logger_aj: bookmark
[05:35:50] <A-L-P-H-A> See
[05:36:49] <K`zan> A-L-P-H-A: Cannon S-2 IS and the image gallery tool out of konqueror...
[05:39:57] <alex_joni> morning all
[05:41:13] <K`zan> Morning alex_joni
[05:42:31] <A-L-P-H-A> hi
[05:42:32] <K`zan> A-L-P-H-A: And I hacked that in the bluefish editor.
[05:42:48] <A-L-P-H-A> huh?
[05:43:00] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm confused
[05:43:02] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan: ??
[05:43:15] <K`zan> Re the question you asked earlier
[05:43:20] <K`zan> A-L-P-H-A: Cannon S-2 IS and the image gallery tool out of konqueror...
[05:43:24] <K`zan> A-L-P-H-A: And I hacked that in the bluefish editor.
[05:43:28] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan: I'm talking the chip guard.
[05:43:43] <A-L-P-H-A> way protector...
[05:43:50] <A-L-P-H-A> the accordian thing
[05:44:11] <K`zan> Oh, that, ordered it off ebay.
[05:44:21] <K`zan> ALong with the knurler :)
[05:45:21] <A-L-P-H-A> man... I'm suck for transparencies...
[05:46:14] <K`zan> Office Supply Store :).
[05:46:23] <A-L-P-H-A> sucker.
[05:46:25] <A-L-P-H-A> I can't type.
[05:46:32] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm tired but couldn't sleep.
[05:46:40] <K`zan> Beer!
[05:46:49] <A-L-P-H-A> feel all this anxiety not able to machine at night... [too noisy]
[05:47:12] <K`zan> :-) slower speeds and feeds :).
[05:47:57] <K`zan> I machine until 0200 or so here :).
[05:49:00] <K`zan> But neither the uMill or mini-lathe makes that much noise to begin with. Hehe, finally found an advantage over real machines :-) :-) :-)!
[05:49:11] <A-L-P-H-A> my machine is just a tad bigger than yours... and it REALLY doesn't help that it's on this shitty ass sheet metal stand.
[05:49:35] <A-L-P-H-A> seriously contemplating of building a tube steel table/bench for it.
[05:49:39] <K`zan> Uh, yeah, that could contribute a lot to the problem. Mounted on a drum :-).
[05:49:46] <A-L-P-H-A> exactly.
[05:50:06] <K`zan> Sounds like a plan. Sheet metal would be pushing it IMO with what I have.
[05:50:10] <A-L-P-H-A> windows is broken (missing some sys file), but I don't want to fix it, as I've got torrents running.
[05:50:37] <K`zan> Got the mill on a about 3/4" ply and well re-enforced table.
[05:51:38] <K`zan> The lathe is on a 1/2" board sitting on top of a hollow door table - that is scary, it would rock the cover veneer without the board, thought it was going to go through :).
[05:52:28] <K`zan> The board bridges the two support studs, so it is pretty stable now.
[05:52:42] <A-L-P-H-A> heh.
[05:52:52] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah... my mill would just fall through that.
[05:53:24] <K`zan> Really didn't like the noises coming out of the gear train while fly cutting today (0.001 MAX / pass), but none broke. Will be glad when the belt drive kit gets here.
[05:55:01] <A-L-P-H-A> it's on gears?
[05:56:45] <K`zan> Yep and plastic gears at that <shudder>.
[05:57:13] <K`zan> Rattles and roars :-).
[05:57:26] <K`zan> My micro t'rex :-).
[05:57:54] <K`zan> I think I am just going to get the xylotex anyway.
[05:58:21] <K`zan> Can upgrade later and that will let me get going NOW.
[06:00:46] <K`zan> Need to figure out what micro-stepping would be best, if any.
[06:01:29] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan: :)
[06:01:34] <A-L-P-H-A> when do you think you'll be CNCd?
[06:01:40] <A-L-P-H-A> 2wks from now?
[06:01:44] <K`zan> 42
[06:01:53] <A-L-P-H-A> hrs?
[06:02:09] <K`zan> TV channel :-), Futurama is on :).
[06:02:22] <A-L-P-H-A> seen all futurama.
[06:02:23] <K`zan> Next month early I should have all the parts and start assembling.
[06:02:34] <A-L-P-H-A> new eps are supposed to come out... don't know when though.
[06:02:43] <A-L-P-H-A> they got another lease on life... another 13 or so eps.
[06:02:56] <K`zan> Not sure I see the point of paying him $100 to put 6' cables on the steppers and set the bias (vref).
[06:03:12] <K`zan> Cool, that show is about twisted enough :).
[06:03:37] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan: so is american dad... I saw my first episode, and I was like WTF? I like family guy as well.
[06:03:45] <A-L-P-H-A> nothing is sacred. :D
[06:04:15] <K`zan> Never seen the former and not real enthralled with the latter, but I will watch it, if it is on.
[06:05:06] <K`zan> Might as well plan on going with 8 steps
[06:05:25] <A-L-P-H-A> <shrug>
[06:05:33] <K`zan> Also got to get the old Thunderbird 1100 together and get EMC on it.
[06:05:51] <K`zan> And find a place to put it in there :-).
[06:06:28] <A-L-P-H-A> wanna see a screenshot of my deskop? wow... 4.1 megs for a screen shot of my desktop?!
[06:06:31] <A-L-P-H-A> whacked.
[06:06:53] <K`zan> Got broadband, np...
[06:07:28] <A-L-P-H-A> need some more desktop candy
[06:08:27] <A-L-P-H-A> ha! figured it out.
[06:08:28] <K`zan> Nice, probably the first thing I will do with it is to emerge kde.
[06:08:46] <A-L-P-H-A> I never was a fan of kde.
[06:08:49] <A-L-P-H-A> dunno why
[06:08:54] <K`zan> At least I got enough coffee roasted for a few days,
[06:09:03] <A-L-P-H-A> gnome's foot was cuter... and more slick looking to me way back.
[06:09:10] <K`zan> Lots of good tools and I have been using it long enough to get used to it :).
[06:09:21] <K`zan> gnome ain't got nothing useful for it :-(.
[06:09:42] <K`zan> Nice file browser, but that is about it.
[06:09:49] <A-L-P-H-A> evolution
[06:09:58] <K`zan> Several people I know and respect like it, but I can't see why.
[06:10:00] <A-L-P-H-A> if you need an all in one tool.
[06:10:09] <K`zan> OE for linux :-(.
[06:10:12] <A-L-P-H-A> OE?
[06:10:23] <K`zan> Outhouse Express (windoz fiasco).
[06:10:27] <K`zan> Outlook
[06:10:35] <K`zan> Or whatever it stands for.
[06:10:43] <A-L-P-H-A> there's an outlook express for linux?
[06:10:55] <A-L-P-H-A> or it runs under wine?
[06:10:55] <K`zan> yeah, evolution :-).
[06:11:05] <K`zan> LOL
[06:11:12] <A-L-P-H-A> bah, you're remarks confuse me.
[06:11:32] <K`zan> You obviously need sleep to cope with my superior intellect :-).
[06:11:43] <A-L-P-H-A> -_-
[06:12:27] <K`zan> Actually all that cranking worse me out, about time for me to fall over too.
[06:12:42] <K`zan> I think I need to back off the gibs a bit.
[06:12:57] <A-L-P-H-A> you play sudoku?
[06:13:08] <K`zan> No, sure don't.
[06:13:16] <A-L-P-H-A> know what it is?
[06:13:20] <K`zan> I fly helicopters in flight sim :)
[06:13:40] <K`zan> Some oriental game, I gather.
[06:14:57] <A-L-P-H-A> hahahaha. http://chuddup.com/laser-etched-laptop/
[06:15:40] <K`zan> Another delusional mac user :-).
[06:16:27] <K`zan> Fortunately I threw all mine in the dumpster a couple years back, I'm no longer deluded :-).
[06:17:43] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.quazen.com/Recreation/Models/Top-5-RC-planes-under-$100.1912#q
[06:17:47] <A-L-P-H-A> more fun that sims.
[06:19:36] <K`zan> Picoo Z! I've been lusting after an RC Helo for probably 20 years now...
[06:19:54] <A-L-P-H-A> and $30... hahaha
[06:20:07] <A-L-P-H-A> go figure... :) I just don't go to starbucks for two weeks...
[06:20:30] <K`zan> 32 pounds, about $80 more or less.
[06:21:17] <K`zan> Starbucks, jeez, why not just drink of of a porta-potty and save the $$$ and get a better beverage!
[06:21:51] <A-L-P-H-A> that I think is in USD
[06:22:04] <K`zan> Actually roasting my own has sorta spoiled me.
[06:22:44] <K`zan> I wonder if those 4 wire steppers are really 8 wire internally.
[06:23:48] <A-L-P-H-A> my friend roasts his own coffee too, with a popcorn popper.
[06:25:08] <K`zan> That is what I use, a hot air popper.
[06:28:53] <K`zan> Not sure I like the idea of an IR control system... But did find it for $32 plus shipping.
[06:29:12] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[06:32:20] <K`zan> ebay is almost always a rip...
[06:32:32] <A-L-P-H-A> <shrug>
[06:32:36] <A-L-P-H-A> go to toys r us
[06:33:13] <K`zan> There is one not too far from here. Can't be worse than ebay. $9.95 product $45 shipping...
[06:33:25] <A-L-P-H-A> hehe
[06:33:51] <K`zan> Just finished reading the Master and Commander series, sorry to be done with it :-/.
[06:34:07] <A-L-P-H-A> I bought something for 1#, and 24# shipping... so cost me 25#... still cheaper than the $75CDN + tax I had to pay
[06:34:14] <A-L-P-H-A> if I were to have bought it locally
[06:34:32] <K`zan> Sometimes you can, but not often and you really gotta root.
[06:34:54] <K`zan> The way cover and knurler were a rational deal, but I don't see that often.
[06:37:44] <anonimasu> hm
[06:38:22] <A-L-P-H-A> K`zan: how much pressure do you need to knurl something with that?
[06:38:39] <A-L-P-H-A> like how does that knurler work? you just allow it to roll up against the part?
[06:39:08] <K`zan> Not really sure, seemed like a lot, but it didn't defect the 1/2" aluminum that I noticed. Need to do more of it...
[06:39:25] <K`zan> FOOD, bbias
[06:41:42] <A-L-P-H-A> I like mine... there is no deflection possible... as it's scissor action applies the pressure onto the part... I should go photo some of my tools... another time
[06:44:50] <K`zan> A friend of mine also wants to get into machining so I started documenting what I got for him and just sorta kept it up. Was keeping a spreadsheet, but somone pointed out that was probably not a wise thing to post online.
[06:46:18] <A-L-P-H-A> a spreadsheet with prices and credit card info? :)
[06:46:53] <K`zan> No just prices, I'm not that dumb and these days don't need to be :-).
[06:47:05] <A-L-P-H-A> mine is like this... http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://littlemachineshop.com/products/images/1730.jpg&imgrefurl=http://littlemachineshop.com/products/product_view.php%3FProductID%3D1730&h=382&w=480&sz=25&hl=en&start=1&tbnid=9VN-JPrDUZwjCM:&tbnh=100&tbnw=126&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dscissor%2Bknurler%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:unofficial%26sa%3DN but was beefier
[06:47:47] <A-L-P-H-A> come to think of it... http://images.google.ca/imgres?imgurl=http://www.finelinehair.com/home/knurler_scissor_type_bottom.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.finelinehair.com/home/knurlers.htm&h=217&w=640&sz=27&hl=en&start=3&tbnid=Xic54c_xX0v0fM:&tbnh=46&tbnw=137&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dscissor%2Bknurler%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26client%3Dfirefox%26rls%3Dorg.mozilla:en-US:unofficial%26sa%3DN maybe this one
[06:48:00] <anonimasu> looks nice
[06:48:09] <K`zan> Supposed to be good ones, some of the folks been saying it fits the tool holder poorly on the 7x10/12s
[06:48:19] <K`zan> Seems an easy fix though.
[06:48:33] <anonimasu> perhaps I should machine one
[06:48:37] <anonimasu> my one is kind of worn
[06:48:48] <K`zan> Just replace the knurls?
[06:49:21] <anonimasu> I have one of thoose standard knurlers..
[06:49:23] <A-L-P-H-A> Mine's like the first one of that last link
[06:49:38] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't like the side forces going into my lathe spindle bearing...
[06:49:39] <anonimasu> that's the one I want..
[06:49:50] <A-L-P-H-A> not exactly hard to machine.
[06:49:52] <anonimasu> yep
[06:49:53] <anonimasu> :)
[06:50:06] <anonimasu> might be a nice little project
[06:50:25] <A-L-P-H-A> two identicle pieces, pinned together with a toolpost handle.
[06:50:26] <K`zan> I will be SO glad to get CNC going here. My wrist ACHE after today and I didn't do that much.
[06:50:56] <A-L-P-H-A> aurthritus (sp)
[06:51:18] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: add some spots for bearings too! :D
[06:51:27] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: you got a CNC mill?
[06:51:30] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: in the knurlers?
[06:51:40] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: 80% done
[06:51:41] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: nah... those could just be 1/4" pins.
[06:51:57] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: how's the hyrdraluic pump/spindle going?
[06:51:57] <anonimasu> 1½ axis left and a spindle
[06:52:15] <anonimasu> i need to order a toolholder adapter today
[06:52:32] <A-L-P-H-A> are you retrofitting it? or what are you doing?
[06:52:37] <anonimasu> no
[06:52:39] <anonimasu> building
[06:52:44] <A-L-P-H-A> photos?
[06:52:53] <anonimasu> no
[06:52:56] <A-L-P-H-A> * A-L-P-H-A see's toothpics and popsicle sticks.
[06:53:06] <anonimasu> err im am retrofitting a mill, but I'm building a spindle
[06:53:11] <anonimasu> A-L-P-H-A: a schaublin sv13 ;)
[06:53:28] <A-L-P-H-A> I got a Schaublin 102. :D
[06:53:31] <A-L-P-H-A> lathe
[06:53:35] <anonimasu> ;)
[06:53:37] <anonimasu> good machine?
[06:53:39] <anonimasu> ¨*grins*
[06:53:41] <A-L-P-H-A> great machine.
[06:53:49] <anonimasu> it'll probably be a great cnc
[06:53:55] <anonimasu> it's sacrelige almost..
[06:53:57] <K`zan> The belt drive kit comes with new spindle bearings, but I am really paranoid about trying to change them.
[06:53:58] <A-L-P-H-A> it was retrofitted for me...
[06:54:03] <anonimasu> but I had a spare..
[06:54:10] <anonimasu> err a manual one too
[06:54:15] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: that tool has such precision and repeatability in it.
[06:54:20] <anonimasu> yep
[06:54:32] <anonimasu> the table had less then 0.01~ over the whole travel
[06:54:37] <anonimasu> on the one im building cnc on
[06:54:59] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't think I would have done it myself... but it was already done... essentially it he just popped off the handles and put XL timing gears on them, and put a pin into the gear to make a handle.
[06:55:24] <anonimasu> hehe
[06:55:25] <A-L-P-H-A> swiss made iron is beautiful.
[06:55:29] <anonimasu> it's a lot of work though
[06:55:35] <anonimasu> * anonimasu nods
[06:55:51] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: doesn't look bad... doesn't even look that ghetto... and it's made it's money back already... so I don't care. :D
[06:56:10] <anonimasu> yep
[06:56:14] <anonimasu> I cant wait to run it
[06:56:14] <A-L-P-H-A> http://lloydleung.com/gallery/Lathe_Related/
[06:56:21] <anonimasu> thoose things are so amazing
[06:56:43] <anonimasu> :)
[06:56:51] <anonimasu> I usually say watchmakers made them
[06:56:51] <A-L-P-H-A> I even was able to sell the schaublin handles... I think I sold them for like $50USD, so at the time like $80CDN.
[06:57:04] <A-L-P-H-A> it is a a jewellers lathe...
[06:57:11] <anonimasu> watchmakers that got tired of small gears ;)
[06:57:18] <A-L-P-H-A> if I want to buy that think brand new... it's like $18K euros.
[06:57:24] <anonimasu> yep
[06:57:24] <A-L-P-H-A> I don't know how to make the euro symbol in linux.
[06:57:35] <A-L-P-H-A> and that's just the basic no frills lathe.
[06:57:36] <anonimasu> yep
[06:57:40] <A-L-P-H-A> no turret yet...
[06:58:03] <anonimasu> I think im going to move it today
[06:58:03] <A-L-P-H-A> and just a simple tailstock (if it's even included)
[06:58:07] <anonimasu> I avhe one axis that's pretty heavy
[06:58:12] <anonimasu> err 2 that is
[06:58:17] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: go get some photos!
[06:58:47] <anonimasu> need to checkk if I should order larger servos
[06:58:50] <anonimasu> brb
[06:58:52] <anonimasu> going to work
[06:58:56] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: bring a camera!
[07:12:42] <K`zan> Night folks
[07:12:46] <A-L-P-H-A> nini
[09:38:40] <anonimasu> *yawn*
[11:03:20] <danex> Good Afternoon alex_joni
[11:08:33] <danex> Just a quick note about the "delay" message
[11:09:24] <danex> I tried the adding the PCI video, and had the alarm as well
[11:10:06] <danex> I will try a different MB and video (AGP) today
[11:11:32] <danex> Also the M-codes M1xx react differently in the Head version/ even with the direct path as suggested.
[11:11:46] <danex> Well it's off to work
[14:01:40] <jepler> Skunkworks mentioned grinding mirrors .. today I saw: http://www.turbofast.com.au/astrotel/mirrorgrinding.html
[14:14:55] <Skunkworks> jepler: thanks - I have way to many interests.
[14:18:33] <Skunkworks> from what I read - grinding and polishing is the reletivly easy part. parbolising is what is a pain in the ass
[14:18:53] <Skunkworks> parabolizing?
[14:20:12] <jepler> I think parbolising may be what Uncle Ben does to rice
[14:20:37] <Skunkworks> :)
[14:20:42] <anonimasu> hehe
[14:21:48] <Skunkworks> my father had ground a 4 inch blank when he was younger - but that size you can get by with a sphirical mirror.
[14:23:01] <Skunkworks> co-worker has a schmitt-casigran(sp) that actually uses a sphirical mirror and corrects for it by the other optics.
[14:23:38] <Skunkworks> (kinda reminds me of the hubble ;))
[14:40:34] <alex_joni> hi all
[14:41:13] <Skunkworks> Hi ales
[14:41:14] <Skunkworks> alex
[14:41:27] <alex_joni> * alex_joni did the first drawings today
[14:41:33] <alex_joni> with my small router :)
[14:41:55] <Skunkworks> cool
[14:42:04] <alex_joni> yeah.. works great
[14:42:24] <Skunkworks> picture?
[14:42:28] <alex_joni> nope
[14:45:07] <alex_joni> so.. I started doing some tests and tweaks to the config
[14:45:25] <alex_joni> and I got to the conclusion it's not nice to keep restarting it and re-home everytime
[14:50:31] <SWPadnos> are you thinking of some way of saving the position at shutdown?
[14:50:38] <SWPadnos> or something else entirely
[14:51:06] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: lets move it to emc-devel
[14:57:51] <Jymmm> Mornin Folks
[14:58:21] <alex_joni> mornin
[15:01:23] <alex_joni> Skunkworks: it's a bit wild to have 20000 steps / mm .. isn't it :)
[15:01:35] <alex_joni> err.. 2000
[15:11:36] <Jymmm> But awefully cool =)
[15:13:18] <alex_joni> Jymmm: not quite
[15:13:22] <alex_joni> it limits speed a lot
[15:13:34] <alex_joni> I can only get 10mm/sec or so
[15:13:41] <Jymmm> Who needs speed when you have precision =)
[15:13:56] <alex_joni> Jymmm: I don't really need that precision
[15:13:57] <alex_joni> :D
[15:14:09] <alex_joni> Z is only 400/mm
[15:14:14] <alex_joni> that's enough
[15:14:20] <Jymmm> Me neither, but the marketing dept can use and abuse that tidbit of information =)
[15:14:25] <alex_joni> lol
[16:00:30] <Skunkworks> 2000?
[16:00:47] <alex_joni> Skunkworks: yeah.. 200 steps motor, 10 microsteps, 1 turn /mm
[16:01:54] <Skunkworks> ah mm - I have 2540 steps per inch on x andy
[16:01:59] <Skunkworks> x and y
[16:02:11] <alex_joni> usign stepgen?
[16:02:22] <Skunkworks> so yah - I could see that.
[16:02:24] <Skunkworks> stepgen
[16:02:29] <Skunkworks> usign?
[16:02:37] <alex_joni> using :PP
[16:02:54] <cradek> 2540/inch is a nice resolution
[16:03:10] <Skunkworks> ah - we had issues when oour z as it started out 20000 steps per inch
[16:03:24] <Skunkworks> we have it down to 10000
[16:03:42] <cradek> depends how fast you want to go whether that's a problem
[16:03:46] <Skunkworks> 200-300 ipm :)
[16:03:52] <cradek> ouch
[16:04:00] <alex_joni> cradek: at 2000/mm it gets to a problem fast
[16:04:03] <Skunkworks> z is stuck at around 100ipm if I remember
[16:04:21] <Skunkworks> maybe 70
[16:04:39] <Skunkworks> 2000 steps/mm must just crawl.
[16:04:52] <alex_joni> I got to 10mm/sec
[16:05:18] <alex_joni> 600 mm/min = ~23IPM
[16:07:47] <Skunkworks> so thats about 50800 steps per inch?
[16:07:58] <Skunkworks> Just trying to put it into perspective
[16:08:06] <alex_joni> yeap
[16:16:15] <Jymmm> http://www.metacafe.com/watch/247136/kenny_rogers_on_jackass/
[16:18:27] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/.swish_config: if files are not indexed as text, some contents are mysteriously lost. but this also makes swish complain about files that contain binary data, like pngs and that .BIT file
[16:19:29] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/classicladder/classicladder.c: fix warning
[17:06:38] <A-L-P-H-A> starving....................
[17:12:05] <A-L-P-H-A> hmmmmmmm evolution is about to be tossed.
[17:12:14] <A-L-P-H-A> how do you add multiple people to an email??
[17:20:24] <SWPadnos> A-L-P-H-A, have you tried typing multiple addresses into the To: field (separated by commas)?
[17:20:33] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos: yeah.
[17:20:37] <A-L-P-H-A> I tried ","
[17:20:43] <A-L-P-H-A> I tried ";"
[17:20:51] <A-L-P-H-A> I didn't try space...
[17:20:57] <SWPadnos> did you check the help?
[17:21:02] <A-L-P-H-A> but my addressbook wouldn't even show the entries I entered in there.
[17:21:27] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos: nope... but honestly, if it's something that simple, it should have been intuitive.
[17:21:44] <SWPadnos> I suspect it's intuitive enough, once you know the answer ;)
[17:21:52] <SWPadnos> one of those "oh, duh" thinkgs
[17:21:53] <A-L-P-H-A> don't care now... I reverted back to my favourite... thunderbird.
[17:21:54] <SWPadnos> things
[17:22:00] <SWPadnos> that works too
[17:22:21] <A-L-P-H-A> probably... but thunderbird is just simple intuitive... and I know jymmm would say different, easy enough to backup.
[17:22:32] <SWPadnos> one thing that annoyed me about both of those was that there was no easy way to import mail from Mozilla 1.7.x
[17:22:43] <A-L-P-H-A> that I don't know...
[17:23:05] <SWPadnos> I ended up installing mozilla onto my wife's machine because of that
[17:23:11] <A-L-P-H-A> see, I use imap... where everything is copied to multiple computers if setup that way,or just left on the server, or any combination
[17:23:28] <SWPadnos> though copying mail over from her old Windows drive to her new Ubuntu install was pretty painless
[17:23:33] <A-L-P-H-A> holy shit this computer I'm fixing's fan is LOUD as hell.
[17:23:52] <A-L-P-H-A> it's a high pitched whine
[17:24:04] <SWPadnos> IMAP would be great. once I set up my home server, I'll implement that for both of us
[17:24:37] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah... my buddy did imap to grab everything from all his accounts, and dump them into one.
[17:41:49] <A-L-P-H-A> must oil that bloody fan.
[17:41:52] <A-L-P-H-A> Gah.
[18:00:36] <Skunkworks> I used to try oiling fans - Never had good luck. They would start acting up after a month.
[18:01:08] <SWPadnos> you have to use the right kind of oil
[18:01:20] <Skunkworks> 10w30?
[18:01:27] <SWPadnos> I think something like sewing machine oil is preferred ;)
[18:01:35] <SWPadnos> (maybe 3-in-1, but I think that gathers dust)
[18:01:46] <Skunkworks> yah. I have tried quite a few.
[18:03:26] <Skunkworks> it is funny - I have found many fans that have a sticker saying ball bearing - and they are bushing.
[18:11:58] <cradek> jepler says he bought a "ball bearing brand" fan
[18:15:53] <kdibble> hi all, is there an archive of working ini files?
[18:16:39] <cradek> emc2 always comes with some nice sample files
[18:16:50] <cradek> for installed 2.0, they are in /etc/emc2/sample-configs
[18:16:55] <Skunkworks> cradek: never thought about it that way. Sneeky little buggers.
[18:17:23] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos: 3-in-1, with a new sticker.
[18:17:42] <kdibble> thanks cradek, but the acceleration and velocity information are way off
[18:18:15] <cradek> scale, velocity and acceleration are the most common things you have to change when configuring a machine
[18:18:42] <kdibble> I understand, but I am new to this and I can't get any repeatability
[18:19:05] <cradek> maybe we should step back and you can describe the problem you're having
[18:19:13] <kdibble> ok, thanks
[18:19:26] <kdibble> puppy linux emc2 running off of cd
[18:19:37] <kdibble> default install just makes motors buzz
[18:19:56] <kdibble> using xylotex, xylotex hal, 497 oz/in motors
[18:20:06] <kdibble> griz g0463
[18:20:27] <Jymmm> kdibble: Did you adjust the current setting on the xylotex board?
[18:20:47] <kdibble> used default settings, bought xylotex system ready kit
[18:21:09] <Jymmm> kdibble: Again, Did you adjust the current setting on the xylotex board as eper the instructions that were sent with it?
[18:21:42] <kdibble> No I didn't adjust anything, it was supposed to be preconfigured. Check voltage at 26.5VDC
[18:22:12] <cradek> also a wrong scale could give wildly wrong apparent acceleration/velocity - do you know what the scale (step pulses per inch or mm) is for your setup?
[18:22:15] <Jymmm> kdibble: WHO says it was? Jedd sends those boards out at ZERO volts .
[18:22:24] <Jymmm> Jeff
[18:22:52] <Jymmm> Becasue most don't actually rtfm =)
[18:22:54] <kdibble> Jymm: Jeff said it was, that was the purpose of buying a system read kit instead of pieces
[18:23:03] <cradek> sounds like a good thing to check too then (I know nothing about xylotex)
[18:23:11] <kdibble> cradek: 4000 steps/in
[18:23:30] <Jymmm> kdibble: I'd check it anyway, a lil pot and jump around in shipping.
[18:23:49] <cradek> kdibble: great, did you check that your ini is set to scale 4000 for all axes?
[18:23:50] <Jymmm> s/and/can/
[18:23:58] <kdibble> cradek: yes
[18:24:28] <kdibble> Jymm: what else to check besides voltage?
[18:24:37] <cradek> kdibble: maybe you should try reducing vel and accel by a factor of 10 to see if you can get any motion
[18:24:42] <Jymmm> kdibble: Not voltage, the Vref setting.
[18:25:00] <Jymmm> kdibble one per axis.
[18:25:02] <cradek> if these are all new untested pieces, we don't have any clues as to where the problem is
[18:25:19] <kdibble> cradek: there are multiple velocity and acceleration settings per axi
[18:25:38] <kdibble> Jymm: ok, will check
[18:26:29] <cradek> for testing you could change just the TRAJ section's MAX_VELOCITY and MAX_ACCELERATION
[18:27:01] <cradek> I guess you have to change DEFAULT_* in there too if you reduce the MAXs
[18:27:19] <kdibble> cradek ok, brb gonna look at the vrefs
[18:27:31] <cradek> I don't know exactly what you're starting with on puppy
[18:27:49] <cradek> often they're a bit behind on the emc versions, not sure what they're using today
[18:31:07] <cradek> if you have broadband and/or intend to install on a hard disk, I recommend the ubuntu-based emc live cd on linuxcnc.org, which has the latest release, emc 2.0.3 on it
[18:34:20] <kdibble> Jymm: VRefs all set to 2.1V
[18:34:38] <kdibble> cradek: box I am using only has 128M ram so ubuntu wont install
[18:35:12] <Jymmm> kdibble what voltage is your PS ?
[18:35:24] <Skunkworks> breezy would - wouldn't it?
[18:35:41] <kdibble> Jymm: 24V
[18:35:42] <cradek> yes I'm sure breezy will install on that
[18:36:01] <jepler> I think breezy would install using the "server" install only
[18:36:05] <Jymmm> kdibble: you have waht 400 in/oz steppers? What sthe voltage of them?
[18:36:33] <jepler> oh maybe I'm wrong, this table gives 64 for "server" (text-mode) install and 128 for regular
[18:36:37] <jepler> (http://www.ubuntu.com/download/releasenotes/510)
[18:36:47] <kdibble> Jymmm: I got the steppers with the kitm here is the url to the steppers:
[18:36:50] <kdibble> http://www.xylotex.com/497ozin.htm
[18:37:01] <cradek> ok it's good to know breezy is an option even without more ram
[18:37:55] <cradek> kdibble: if your drives are enabled and you try to turn a motor shaft, can you turn it?
[18:38:12] <kdibble> No
[18:38:32] <cradek> ok your voltages are probably set right, or close enough then
[18:38:33] <kdibble> It isn't that it doesnt work at all, it just doesnt work right
[18:38:45] <cradek> I understand
[18:39:08] <cradek> if you run emc and turn the jog speed way down, can you jog an axis?
[18:39:22] <kdibble> I can move all axes
[18:39:38] <cradek> jogging?
[18:39:42] <kdibble> yes
[18:39:49] <cradek> even with the jog speed turned up?
[18:39:52] <kdibble> or with a set distance in tkemc
[18:40:09] <kdibble> no, just to a moderate speed
[18:40:25] <cradek> ok
[18:40:34] <cradek> that could be a velocity or acceleration problem
[18:40:41] <Skunkworks> are these steppers hooked to anything?
[18:40:43] <cradek> you will have to experiment to see what works reliably
[18:40:45] <kdibble> it appears to be,
[18:40:56] <kdibble> skunkworks: yes on machine
[18:41:00] <Skunkworks> ok
[18:41:18] <cradek> try turning the acceleration down somewhat, so you can hear a gentle accel and decel
[18:41:27] <cradek> then find your max velocity
[18:41:31] <kdibble> cradek: been experimenting for days, that's why I asked if there were known working ini files available
[18:41:39] <cradek> then increase accel to find a high value that's still reliable
[18:42:05] <cradek> well I don't know what's on puppy, but all the sample configs are "working" on someone's machine
[18:42:05] <kdibble> cradek I can't find any value that will go the specified distance repeatedly
[18:42:19] <cradek> it's not a matter of distance
[18:42:41] <Skunkworks> maybe pastebin your current ini file.
[18:42:46] <A-L-P-H-A> kdibble: could you pastebin your current settings uh... www.pastebin.ca
[18:42:55] <A-L-P-H-A> Skunkworks: :D
[18:43:04] <cradek> steppers lose power the faster they go. you need to find the speed that's fast but still has enough power. this will be unique to your machine only and no sample config will help you find it.
[18:43:05] <kdibble> Maybe my assumptions are incorrect, I thought If i told it to go a certain distance and it didn't something was broken
[18:43:10] <Skunkworks> great minds...
[18:43:30] <kdibble> machine not on net, I'll have to sneakernet it
[18:44:08] <Skunkworks> does it go the same distance each time - just wrong. Or does it go random distances each time?
[18:44:35] <A-L-P-H-A> kdibble: the machine has no feedback from your cnc system. We'll have to know how many steps your motor takes, any gearing between the motor and drive shaft (lead screw, ballscrew, rack/pinion). The TPI (or equiv,) of said drive shaft.
[18:44:41] <A-L-P-H-A> what microstepping if any...
[18:44:55] <kdibble> skunkworks close to the same distances, but forward and reverse are different i.e. ask for 1.000 go forward .995 reverse .993
[18:45:16] <A-L-P-H-A> kdibble: that's probably backlash.
[18:45:17] <kdibble> A-L-P-H-A: 1/4 microstepping
[18:45:24] <A-L-P-H-A> the amount of slop between the nut and drive shaft.
[18:45:27] <kdibble> no, on the dial, not actual
[18:45:35] <A-L-P-H-A> oh...
[18:45:49] <A-L-P-H-A> kdibble: bad stepper motor? [worse case]
[18:45:51] <A-L-P-H-A> but I doubt that.
[18:46:07] <kdibble> I wouldn't know
[18:46:28] <A-L-P-H-A> kdibble: could be your missing steps, like the delay is too low...
[18:46:36] <kdibble> delay?
[18:46:46] <A-L-P-H-A> delay = cycle time
[18:47:03] <cradek> I think you should follow my advice about finding appropriate acceleration and velocity
[18:47:14] <kdibble> cradek: I'll try
[18:47:17] <A-L-P-H-A> cradek: is the guru... listen to him.
[18:47:31] <kdibble> A-L-P-H-A: thanks I'll look at cycle time
[18:47:47] <cradek> cycle time is not a delay, that's on the wrong track
[18:48:40] <A-L-P-H-A> cradek: okay... I don't doubt that... but could you explain what cycle time is? Just the amount of time before the next pulse?
[18:48:43] <kdibble> cradek: I'll try your advise, Anything else
[18:49:19] <Skunkworks> any pictures of your machine? :)
[18:49:29] <cradek> nope it sounds like it almost works, you just have to tweak those numbers
[18:49:32] <kdibble> skunkworks, not yet
[18:49:42] <kdibble> cradek: thanks
[18:49:52] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: the various cycle times are how often emc runs various parts of itself
[18:49:58] <kdibble> bbl
[18:50:50] <jepler> A-L-P-H-A: when a userspace part of emc (such as "task" or "io") has nothing to do, it sleeps for its CYCLE_TIME.
[18:51:20] <jepler> I don't think the [AXIS_n] CYCLE_TIME is used though it's still in some sample configs
[18:51:35] <A-L-P-H-A> oh
[18:51:36] <A-L-P-H-A> odd.
[18:54:19] <anonimasu> hello
[19:02:21] <Skunkworks> anonimasu: Hi
[19:06:09] <anonimasu> what's up?
[19:06:29] <Skunkworks> nothing - yet
[19:07:31] <A-L-P-H-A> okie
[19:07:36] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu: where's my photos? :D
[19:18:03] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/sim/axis.ini: allow saving of joint positions between runs
[19:18:05] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/NEWS: allow saving of joint positions between runs
[19:18:06] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/ (command.c motion.h): allow saving of joint positions between runs
[19:18:07] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/nml_intf/emc.hh: allow saving of joint positions between runs
[19:18:07] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/src/config/ini_config.lyx: allow saving of joint positions between runs
[19:18:08] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/task/taskintf.cc: allow saving of joint positions between runs
[19:19:11] <alex_joni> jepler: yay
[19:19:18] <cradek> yay
[19:20:03] <alex_joni> oh chris.. good you;re around :)
[19:20:10] <alex_joni> there's something missing ..
[19:20:23] <alex_joni> * alex_joni couldn't find a ttt package for dapper
[19:20:47] <cradek> I bet the one in the breezy repo works fine
[19:20:54] <alex_joni> indeed it does
[19:21:05] <cradek> or from my website...
[19:21:18] <alex_joni> I tried to compile it but failed though
[19:21:24] <alex_joni> I would have made the deb myself
[19:21:25] <cradek> I still haven't set up rsync to the new ubuntu repos' location
[19:21:33] <cradek> failed how?
[19:21:40] <alex_joni> dependency I think
[19:21:46] <alex_joni> lots of errors during compile
[19:21:48] <cradek> ah
[19:21:55] <cradek> you used build-dep?
[19:22:05] <cradek> maybe it's missing a build dep
[19:22:09] <alex_joni> no, I only got the tar.gz
[19:22:13] <alex_joni> looked at the control
[19:22:21] <alex_joni> not much there..
[19:22:25] <cradek> hmm
[19:22:39] <cradek> I think some careless amateur put together that deb
[19:22:48] <alex_joni> (lol)
[19:23:08] <alex_joni> want me to hunt down the package maintainer?
[19:23:23] <SWPadnos> jeez - you don't have to kill him
[19:23:33] <alex_joni> who said I would?
[19:23:33] <cradek> just flame him
[19:23:54] <SWPadnos> oh, sorry. I was thinking of the Bush meaning of hunt down ;)
[19:24:07] <alex_joni> at least not from the very beginning
[19:26:44] <alex_joni> jepler: yay... works as promised
[19:27:27] <jepler> alex_joni: good! did you try on something besides the simulator?
[19:27:28] <alex_joni> now if you only told me about this sooner.. might have saved me an hour digging through the interp and canon :)
[19:27:35] <alex_joni> jepler: tomorrow at work
[19:30:31] <jepler> I started working on it after you seemed to have run into trouble doing it through the interpreter...
[19:31:03] <alex_joni> jepler: it can't hurt if I get familiar with that code :)
[19:31:12] <alex_joni> I agree your approach is saner
[19:31:24] <cradek> alex_joni: sorry I suggested the dead end to you
[19:31:31] <alex_joni> cradek: no harm done :)
[19:37:53] <alex_joni> cradek: at least I have some understanding of that part now
[19:38:39] <A-L-P-H-A> how does one activate the beagle search screen?
[20:30:59] <danex> Hello alex_joni
[20:33:25] <danex> hello jepler
[20:34:16] <alex_joni> hi
[20:35:13] <danex> I left some results this morning hoping you would see them
[20:38:21] <danex> I will be trying an ASUS MB and AGI video card in about an hour
[20:41:01] <danex> On the M1xx codes, The Head Version in AUTO mode will execute the the code but the action is ended when the next line of code is read.
[20:41:34] <danex> In the MDI mode the codes work as expected
[20:43:09] <danex> In the Released Version, they work as expected.
[20:45:19] <danex> As for the MB with Video Onboard , it is the suggestion of the IT dept that the video may still be active although turned off in bios
[20:45:45] <alex_joni> yes, saw them
[20:45:48] <cradek> what do you mean by 'the action is ended'
[20:45:55] <alex_joni> but I don't quite get how you mean that
[20:46:17] <alex_joni> danex: if I remember it right you had a simple 'halcmd sets foo ' in the M1xx
[20:47:30] <cradek> is that just to get some digital outputs to set from gcode?
[20:47:37] <danex> cradek, the M-code turns a signal on, and it remains on till turned off by another code later in the program
[20:48:29] <danex> alex_joni, I added the & symbol as suggested yesterday, and the direct path as suggested
[20:50:22] <alex_joni> danex: can you pastebin one of those M-code functions?
[20:50:28] <alex_joni> or are they on another PC?
[20:51:03] <danex> I will copy from the machine and have it next time I am on
[20:51:29] <danex> The machine is 45 minutes away ;(
[20:51:42] <A-L-P-H-A> shibbs...
[20:52:07] <A-L-P-H-A> belkin tech support takes freak'n forever to get to talk to an agent
[20:52:20] <danex> Has the onboard video been a large problem ?
[20:52:25] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/task/emcsvr.cc: exit gracefully when SIGTERM is received
[20:52:31] <A-L-P-H-A> danex: for ubuntu?
[20:52:42] <jepler> now you no longer get this message on shutdown: [2]- Terminated $EMC2_BIN_DIR/$EMCSERVER -ini $INIFILE
[20:53:14] <alex_joni> danex: usually onboard video and realtime don't mix well
[20:53:17] <alex_joni> _usually_
[20:53:22] <alex_joni> that's not a rule..
[20:53:22] <cradek> onboard video is one of the most common causes for incompatibility with realtime
[20:53:25] <danex> Ubuntu and Kubuntu both are in test
[20:53:40] <Jymmm> * Jymmm had to find a system that didn't have onboard video or audio.
[20:54:10] <Jymmm> no onboard nic either
[20:54:27] <A-L-P-H-A> could just disable them.
[20:54:32] <Jymmm> nope
[20:54:35] <A-L-P-H-A> and put in a card
[20:54:38] <Jymmm> too much lag
[20:54:48] <Jymmm> well maybe he can, I couldn't
[20:54:53] <A-L-P-H-A> how come you couldn't just disable them?
[20:55:13] <alex_joni> heh http://www.anderswallin.net/category/cnc/
[20:55:17] <Jymmm> becasue the BIOS didnt support it ro the system still had too much lag
[20:55:50] <Jymmm> Now, down to 18,000nS
[20:55:51] <A-L-P-H-A> whacked.
[20:56:06] <A-L-P-H-A> really? Mine's a shitty 30,000
[20:56:17] <Jymmm> Well, 18000 max
[20:56:40] <danex> I have to get back to the plant to get my other MB and Video Card/ IT will be out at Six
[20:57:05] <alex_joni> http://www.autof1.ro/index/Richard_Hammond1.html
[21:12:12] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/halcmd.c: re-factor the code which executes a command
[21:19:48] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni: don't you watch top gear? that's a like last season... or even the season before.
[21:19:54] <A-L-P-H-A> hopefully they'll make more eps
[21:19:57] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: not always
[21:20:02] <alex_joni> heard about the dude though
[21:20:06] <alex_joni> cradek: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/usplash/+bug/27837
[21:20:41] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=407022&in_page_id=1773
[21:20:51] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/halcmd.c: refactor the value parsing code of sets and setp into a single function
[21:26:52] <A-L-P-H-A> hey robin_sz... we were just talking about topgear
[21:27:18] <A-L-P-H-A> hamster wants to make broadcast from his deathbed... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/live/articles/showbiz/showbiznews.html?in_article_id=407022&in_page_id=1773
[21:35:30] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/halcmd.c:
[21:35:30] <CIA-8> permit the use of shell-style wildcards for 'show' and 'list', such as
[21:35:30] <CIA-8> show pin axis.*.*-lim-sw-in
[21:35:30] <CIA-8> old prefix-based matching works as before:
[21:35:30] <CIA-8> show pin axis.0
[21:35:47] <jepler> * jepler wonders if 'fnmatch' will be available on the older farm machines...
[21:36:43] <alex_joni> can you still auto-complete on that?
[21:36:58] <alex_joni> show pin axis.*.*.-lim<tab> ?
[21:50:19] <jepler> alex_joni: no
[21:51:41] <alex_joni> jepler: thought so
[21:51:54] <alex_joni> jepler: still way better than before.. thanks
[21:52:05] <jepler> you're welcome
[21:52:22] <alex_joni> * alex_joni can't wait to play with emc2 & his machine tomorrow
[21:53:32] <A-L-P-H-A> I'll play with mine after a short nap
[22:05:13] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A, does it still get broadcast?
[22:07:43] <robin_sz> * robin_sz threw all his televisions on the dump 7 years ago
[22:08:02] <alex_joni> dude
[22:08:13] <alex_joni> how's your inmates?
[22:09:11] <robin_sz> heh, inmates?
[22:09:17] <robin_sz> oh them :)
[22:09:42] <alex_joni> knock-knock ?
[22:09:55] <robin_sz> not yet, still hoping.
[22:10:06] <alex_joni> best of luck then ;)
[22:10:16] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.upt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/photography/01159170410 <- some pics :)
[22:10:33] <robin_sz> we took on another guy this week, workshop assistant
[22:10:46] <robin_sz> thats helped a bit.
[22:10:52] <alex_joni> nice
[22:11:23] <robin_sz> said he had done a basic fabricationd and worksho practice course at a college
[22:12:03] <robin_sz> we've had to show him how to make a weaving motion with the torch ... and not to grind with a cutting disc and ...
[22:12:20] <robin_sz> so I think he might not have .. but hes keen and a good worker.
[22:12:55] <alex_joni> that's _all_ that matters
[22:12:59] <alex_joni> skills can be learned
[22:13:53] <robin_sz> exactly ...
[22:14:12] <robin_sz> if he survives that long ...
[22:14:34] <robin_sz> I keep finding him doing silly things like standing on tables to weld
[22:14:46] <robin_sz> or unloading the laser by walking on the slats ...
[22:15:02] <Skunkworks> kids these days
[22:15:10] <robin_sz> he seems to be an accident trying to happen :(
[22:15:20] <alex_joni> standing on tables to weld? what's wrong with that?
[22:15:26] <robin_sz> nothing ...
[22:15:30] <robin_sz> until you fall off
[22:15:51] <alex_joni> :P
[22:16:00] <alex_joni> it's only.. 40V during welding ;)
[22:16:16] <Skunkworks> I am so close to what I am welding - I usually melt the plastic protective lens
[22:16:23] <Skunkworks> is that bad?
[22:16:41] <alex_joni> Skunkworks: not that bad
[22:17:09] <robin_sz> if you occasionally do something not so safe, once amonth, once a week, when you have to, and think about it and if its the only way .. then thats not so bad
[22:17:30] <robin_sz> if you do that 10 times a day without thinking, you wont last long :(
[22:17:43] <Skunkworks> I am just happy I have all of my fingers so far.
[22:17:48] <alex_joni> Skunkworks: I welded once some serious stuff, and the glass on my mask broke and fell out
[22:17:54] <Skunkworks> and eye sight
[22:17:54] <robin_sz> heh
[22:17:59] <alex_joni> that wasn't so nice.. suddenly to stare into the arc
[22:18:05] <Skunkworks> ouch
[22:18:13] <alex_joni> and it was 2x400A or so
[22:18:14] <robin_sz> and I assume you mean VERY serious
[22:18:20] <robin_sz> heh, yeah
[22:18:21] <alex_joni> robin_sz: indeed
[22:18:50] <Skunkworks> I had arc eye when I was younger. Was watching my father cut apart a impliment with a stick welder. I never ever want to do that again.
[22:19:10] <robin_sz> it goes in 12 hours or so
[22:19:42] <Skunkworks> I woke up in the middle of the night with it - couldn't open my eyes - then once I got them open - I could not shut them
[22:19:43] <robin_sz> and although unpleasant, its not actually that dangerous
[22:19:51] <robin_sz> yeah, nasty
[22:20:03] <robin_sz> mild case just feels like sand in your eye
[22:20:07] <robin_sz> lots of sand
[22:20:12] <alex_joni> Skunkworks: if it ever happens to you again.. don't open your eyes
[22:20:13] <Skunkworks> right
[22:20:19] <alex_joni> not even if the house is on fire
[22:20:23] <robin_sz> exactly
[22:20:23] <alex_joni> keep em shut
[22:20:31] <Skunkworks> now you tell me.
[22:20:35] <Skunkworks> :)
[22:20:37] <alex_joni> you didn't ask ;)
[22:20:43] <alex_joni> and it's usually around 3am ;)
[22:20:49] <Skunkworks> yep
[22:20:50] <robin_sz> you can get some stuff called "angel tears" ... expensive, but worht it
[22:21:12] <alex_joni> that's one of the odd things..
[22:21:20] <alex_joni> doesn't matter when you cought it
[22:21:25] <alex_joni> it's always around 3am
[22:21:27] <robin_sz> it is indeed always 3am ..
[22:21:30] <anonimasu> hello
[22:21:36] <Skunkworks> I think I learned my lesson. When I melted the lens - we where welding an outside wood furnace. 200-400 amps of pure welding
[22:21:37] <alex_joni> might be REM related ;)
[22:21:49] <robin_sz> yeah
[22:22:10] <alex_joni> robin_sz: I usually know when I got it, so I get some strain relief in the eyes (drops)
[22:22:21] <alex_joni> then some painkillers.. and sleep like a baby till the morning ;)
[22:22:23] <robin_sz> yeah, not needed it yet
[22:22:39] <Skunkworks> anonimasu: hi
[22:22:48] <anonimasu> ^_^
[22:22:52] <anonimasu> plasma hurts your eyes.
[22:22:55] <alex_joni> robin_sz: last time it cought me through the mask
[22:22:55] <anonimasu> remember to tell your kids
[22:22:57] <robin_sz> angel tears is a lubricant and a local anaesthetic for the eys
[22:22:59] <robin_sz> eyes
[22:23:00] <alex_joni> shitty LCD masks
[22:23:07] <robin_sz> heh
[22:23:08] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hates them
[22:23:13] <robin_sz> we use them ...
[22:23:15] <robin_sz> but good ones
[22:23:21] <alex_joni> they might be ok for manual welding
[22:23:23] <anonimasu> they are pretty nice at lower amps..
[22:23:25] <robin_sz> Esab, with fume extract
[22:23:41] <alex_joni> but when you hold one in your hand, and the pendant in the same hand, and the other hand to set parameters..
[22:23:50] <alex_joni> the problem with LCD is when you tilt it
[22:23:59] <alex_joni> it looses the 'darkening factor'
[22:24:20] <robin_sz> I have some Nederman extractors and extraction equipped torches going on ebay
[22:24:28] <alex_joni> robin_sz: all the masks are Optrel really
[22:24:41] <robin_sz> bloody awful things, MB36 with a vacuum hose
[22:24:48] <alex_joni> at least the good ones, like esab, lincoln, etc
[22:24:55] <robin_sz> right
[22:25:09] <robin_sz> esab seems fine
[22:25:38] <robin_sz> my mate just bought a SMT placement machine on ebay
[22:26:02] <robin_sz> 4 axes, camera for aligning device with wolder pads automatically
[22:26:03] <alex_joni> robin_sz: afaik, all the major welding manufacturers get components/masks from optrel
[22:26:20] <robin_sz> 3000 parts per our surface mount placement ...
[22:26:38] <robin_sz> working and very clean, installed and not used!
[22:26:40] <Skunkworks> bbl
[22:26:43] <robin_sz> guess how much?
[22:27:35] <anonimasu> no idea
[22:27:44] <robin_sz> £0.99
[22:27:46] <robin_sz> :)
[22:28:01] <robin_sz> or 1.5 euros to you
[22:28:09] <anonimasu> heh
[22:28:10] <anonimasu> insane
[22:28:33] <robin_sz> hes just going to strip the motors and slides out of it and junk the rest
[22:29:07] <alex_joni> too bad
[22:29:09] <anonimasu> yeah
[22:29:41] <alex_joni> ever seen this? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palace_of_the_Parliament
[22:30:15] <robin_sz> alex_joni, nice photos .. lovely buildings
[22:30:39] <alex_joni> robin_sz: ty
[22:31:40] <anonimasu> now lets spin this rc servo
[22:31:44] <anonimasu> ^_^
[22:32:16] <robin_sz> alex_joni, is there a map showing roughly where this is?
[22:32:35] <alex_joni> there's a link at the bottom
[22:32:43] <alex_joni> http://maps.google.com/?t=k&ll=44.427942,26.088216&spn=0.010451,0.020127&om=1
[22:34:16] <alex_joni> robin_sz: that's one of the crazy leftovers from the old regime
[22:34:40] <robin_sz> yeah
[22:35:03] <alex_joni> off to bed now
[22:35:05] <robin_sz> looks a nice place, remind me to visit
[22:35:06] <alex_joni> g'night all
[22:35:15] <alex_joni> I wouldn't advise so :)
[22:35:22] <robin_sz> no?
[22:35:28] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hates bucharest
[22:35:41] <robin_sz> I keep meaning to visit hungary, but not managed it yet
[22:35:47] <alex_joni> and they feel the same way about us too :)
[22:36:14] <robin_sz> being half hungarian and all that, I guess I should
[22:36:43] <alex_joni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Location-Austria-Hungary-01.png
[22:36:54] <alex_joni> austria-hungary only covered 1/3 of romania
[22:37:00] <alex_joni> the part called transylvania
[22:37:15] <alex_joni> actually transilvania + banat
[22:37:20] <alex_joni> which is where I am
[22:37:27] <robin_sz> right,
[22:37:35] <robin_sz> it was a huge empire
[22:38:00] <alex_joni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Austria_hungary_1911.jpg
[22:38:33] <alex_joni> you can see at the very bottom right of the empire cities like: Hermannstadt, Kronstadt, Schessburg, Mediasch
[22:38:46] <alex_joni> those are exactly the cities I visited last weekend
[22:39:21] <robin_sz> right
[22:39:36] <alex_joni> I would advise agains going over the mountains :P
[22:39:43] <robin_sz> it still looks very untouched by too much tourism
[22:39:50] <alex_joni> it still is
[22:39:55] <robin_sz> oh, I like mountains :)
[22:39:57] <alex_joni> you can't expect a lot
[22:40:04] <alex_joni> :-P
[22:40:05] <robin_sz> perfect.
[22:40:17] <alex_joni> but you'll be welcomed almost anywhere you go
[22:40:26] <robin_sz> almost?
[22:40:30] <alex_joni> that's one of the big advantage of the locals
[22:40:35] <alex_joni> probably anywhere
[22:40:40] <robin_sz> :)
[22:40:49] <alex_joni> by welcomed I mean invited inside to sit at their table
[22:41:35] <robin_sz> yeah,
[22:41:37] <robin_sz> nice.
[22:41:47] <robin_sz> you dont find that in most parts of europe
[22:41:57] <robin_sz> the east is different
[22:42:14] <alex_joni> quite so
[22:43:51] <robin_sz> my father is from Rakospalota, part of Budapest
[22:44:07] <robin_sz> so I know someting of eastern ways :)
[22:46:39] <robin_sz> anyway, off you go to bed!
[22:48:32] <alex_joni> my grandma was also born in budapest ;)
[22:48:57] <alex_joni> right.. off to bed
[22:49:00] <alex_joni> good night all
[22:59:49] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/.cvsignore: html directory contains generated files only