#emc | Logs for 2006-09-19

[00:16:18] <skunkworks> Think I flunked codecs
[00:16:30] <tomp> jepler, i got run-in-place axis by chging setup.py to executable, then in that dir "./setup.py install" , thanks again, sim running 3D_chips now
[00:18:27] <jepler> tomp: glad to hear it
[00:18:45] <tomp> oh yeah "export EMCROOT='~/emc2-2.0.3" was also done
[00:19:01] <Jymmm> skunkworks: http://www.codecguide.com/ and http://www.free-codecs.com/download/Codec_Pack_All_in_1.htm
[00:19:55] <cradek> jepler: you can untar axis in 2.0.x's emc/src and it builds
[00:20:06] <cradek> pretty sure that's what I did recently
[00:20:12] <jepler> cradek: I didn't remember when that was added and I was too lazy to check
[00:20:25] <jepler> CVS/2.1 only
[00:21:06] <cradek> I got a tar from axis-historical recently to build emc 20x
[00:21:20] <jepler> I believe you
[00:32:02] <skunkworks> I am to the point that I am now installing codecs radomly -
[00:32:08] <skunkworks> thanks Jymmm
[00:32:37] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Hope they helped
[00:32:41] <cradek> are you still trying to play that video of my lathe?
[00:33:10] <skunkworks> yes damn it yes.
[00:33:23] <cradek> oh for petes sake
[00:33:27] <cradek> boot linux and use mplayer
[00:33:57] <skunkworks> I tried that - my ubuntu machine doesn't have a sound card - and exits out of the player.
[00:34:11] <cradek> ah darn
[00:34:31] <skunkworks> This is starting to get personal
[00:34:48] <Jymmm> * Jymmm secretly points to skunkworks and snickers
[00:48:15] <skunkworks> cradek: Very cool. How fast was that?
[00:48:59] <skunkworks> Jymmm: the codecguide.com worked
[00:49:56] <jepler> skunkworks: the machine does rapids up to about 1 inch per second. I'm not sure what feed rate the threading passes were.
[00:50:59] <skunkworks> Cool
[00:59:41] <Jymmm> skunkworks: very cool =)
[01:01:47] <skunkworks> I lost scale for a bit until I saw one of you screw the nut on. Your hand looks huge. :)
[01:02:37] <skunkworks> that sounds bad doesn't it
[01:03:12] <cradek> the rapids are 60 so I bet the threading was at about 40-50 in that video
[01:03:22] <skunkworks> nice
[01:04:03] <cradek> you could see the deflection - I had the stock sticking out too far, and/or was cutting too deep
[01:12:20] <cradek> hi jmk
[01:12:24] <skunkworks> my my - 2 of them
[01:12:31] <jmkasunich2> hi
[01:24:43] <fenn> here is some dxf to g-code software that someone might be interested in: http://www.users.qwest.net/~kmaxon/page/side/mill5_137.htm
[01:24:48] <fenn> the rest of the page is damned cool too
[01:24:54] <skunkworks> Fenn!!
[01:25:00] <fenn> er.. source code i mean
[01:25:09] <fenn> howdy skunkworks
[01:26:23] <fenn> ever get your toolchanger working?
[01:26:32] <skunkworks> goofed off all summer.
[01:26:46] <fenn> well, could be worse i suppose :)
[01:27:18] <fenn> oh nice, someone got rid of the emc1 stuff on the wiki front page
[01:29:18] <skunkworks> emc1? whats that?
[01:30:19] <fenn> oh, some government thing in the 80's for using old industrial tools with old software
[01:31:36] <skunkworks> how is the hexipod coming? :)
[01:32:54] <fenn> well it kinda stalled after my buddy took his styrofoam cutter back
[01:33:05] <fenn> i'm been fighting with software mostly since then
[01:33:39] <fenn> you know, debian is really neat
[01:33:52] <fenn> i can believe anyone even uses redhat
[01:33:56] <skunkworks> I have spent the summer mostly gardening and working way too much at my real job
[01:34:12] <skunkworks> would you believe we bought a dell with redhat installed?
[01:40:27] <jepler> fenn: as I was saying to someone else I will be getting rid of fedora as soon as I get the guts
[01:40:43] <jepler> I am sure a convert after using ubuntu and learning apt
[01:41:04] <skunkworks> and o-words. Don't forget that.
[01:41:05] <fenn> i just got a laptop and it was pretty painless to just copy my whole ~/.kde directory over
[01:41:22] <fenn> also i've been keeping a "captains log" like mark whitis suggested
[01:41:44] <fenn> but you use gnome right?
[01:42:51] <jepler> me? No, I ditch the desktop environments completely and run icewm
[01:42:57] <skunkworks> coworker saw a book at barns and noble - 'the rise and rise of ubuntu'
[01:42:58] <jepler> no file manager or such crap
[01:43:06] <fenn> skunkworks: he meant apt as in advanecd packaging tool, not automatically programmed tools
[01:43:13] <fenn> jepler: well, me too
[01:43:26] <fenn> but i like konqueror as my web browser since it renders pages more accurately than dillo
[01:43:47] <fenn> http://fenn.dyndns.org/pub/irc/screenshot-09-05-06.png
[01:44:09] <jepler> oh I use firefox
[01:44:32] <fenn> firefox's memory leak "feature" annoys the hell out of me
[01:45:06] <jepler> huh -- restarting every few days must be good enough
[01:45:09] <jepler> you know, after it crashes...
[01:45:30] <fenn> it caches files in its own memory instead of letting the kernel do it, and ends up hogging all the available ram
[01:45:57] <fenn> so if you're doing other stuff besides web browsing it starts swapping all the time
[01:46:53] <fenn> i've never had firefox crash though
[01:50:33] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[01:50:34] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[01:51:50] <jepler> fwiw here's a very clean version of what my desktops look like: http://emergent.unpy.net/index.cgi-files/sandbox/desktops.jpg
[01:51:56] <jepler> usually there are more xterms and firefox tabs
[01:55:46] <fenn> heh more xterms?
[01:57:09] <jepler> yeah .. 30-40 maybe
[01:57:14] <jmkasunich2> rather wide isn't it?
[01:57:16] <jepler> mostly because I run a command in one and then forget about it
[01:57:22] <jepler> jmkasunich2: that's all 5 virtual desktops
[01:57:27] <jmkasunich2> ah
[01:57:28] <jepler> I don't actually have a monitor that wide
[01:57:35] <jmkasunich2> I didn't think so
[01:57:54] <jmkasunich2> (and suspected that you had pasted the virtuals together)
[01:58:10] <jmkasunich2> I tend to get a lot of xterms too, but not that many
[01:58:23] <fenn> oh i didnt even notice there was more than one screenful
[01:58:27] <jmkasunich2> I have 5 on one virtual desktop, ssh'ed into the 5 compile farm slots
[02:07:57] <jmkasunich2> time for sleep (got up at 4:30 am to catch a plane this morning) night all
[02:08:04] <cradek> bye
[02:08:26] <jepler> see you jmkasunich2
[03:34:14] <justin_> justin_ is now known as Twingy
[05:46:33] <alex_joni> logger_aj: bookmark
[05:46:33] <alex_joni> See
[06:27:10] <alex_joni> morning Rugludallur
[06:35:04] <fenn> hey Rugludallur my roommate is in reykjavik today - how's the weather? :P
[06:35:16] <fenn> oh i remember what i wanted to ask you now
[06:35:37] <fenn> how are you going to bend those steel sheets into the compound curves needed for your boat?
[06:39:23] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wants one of these: http://www.doublesight.com/prod_ds1900.htm
[06:41:42] <fenn> the resolution isnt really that great
[06:44:01] <alex_joni> now that I look at it, you're right
[06:44:04] <alex_joni> analog input
[06:44:18] <alex_joni> 1280x1024 screens.. 1399$ is a ripoff
[06:44:39] <fenn> but they're stuck together! :)
[06:47:45] <alex_joni> yeah.. but I can get the 2 screens for 600$
[06:47:56] <alex_joni> so 800$ for mounting them together seems a bit much
[08:08:18] <Rugludallur> Hey guys, sorry my client auto-connected :D
[08:09:42] <Rugludallur> the weather is kinda shitty cloudy with gust of wind up to 10m per second and around 12°C
[08:10:14] <Rugludallur> alex_joni: my boat does not have compound curves :D it's magic, same radius for all curves
[08:10:55] <fenn> so you just have to bolt it down in the right order and it all fits?
[08:11:08] <Rugludallur> it's all welded in the correct way and yup
[08:12:00] <Rugludallur> I cut out all the non-curved sections, cut all the patterns for the curved sections, have the curved sections rolled and finish cutting them and weld it all up
[08:12:32] <Rugludallur> The total build time from the start of cutting untill everything is welded up will probably be a new record, probably like 2 weeks :P
[08:12:51] <fenn> yah maybe you should make a dozen or so
[08:13:51] <Rugludallur> :D if he market here could handle it, it's way to small but i intend to make the cutting files and 3d models available to anyone who has the drawing/building rights
[08:14:22] <Rugludallur> I have even thought about trying to buy the IP rights to the drawings and publishing under some sort of creative commons
[08:15:09] <fenn> i thought you were going by someone else's plans
[08:15:27] <fenn> oh n/m i read the last bit wrong
[08:15:30] <fenn> its past my bedtime
[08:15:33] <Rugludallur> :D
[08:16:07] <fenn> am i insane for wanting to move to iceland?
[08:16:13] <Rugludallur> nope, not really
[08:16:17] <fenn> ok good :0
[08:16:25] <Rugludallur> I lived in canada for a bit and moved back
[08:16:46] <Rugludallur> and there are plenty of people that move here from USA/Canada and Europe
[08:17:10] <fenn> i was checking out the statistics and there's only like 5000 immigrants living in all of iceland?
[08:17:36] <fenn> but maybe that doesnt count migrant workers
[08:17:56] <Rugludallur> nope
[08:18:08] <Rugludallur> that's only people with citizenships
[08:18:26] <Rugludallur> the total population is only around 300.000 so :P
[08:18:54] <Rugludallur> and 99% speak english, some of my english speaking friends have lived and worked here for 10 years, have several kids a wife and still only speak english
[08:19:38] <fenn> i pick up languages pretty fast and i'd probably enjoy learning icelandic
[08:20:22] <Rugludallur> fenn: it's a challenge :D
[08:20:59] <Rugludallur> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Icelandic_language
[08:21:07] <fenn> already reading it :P
[08:21:57] <fenn> linguistic descriptions are always so dry and lifeless
[08:24:40] <fenn> studying an artificial langauge like lojban gives you an appreciation for natural languages
[08:25:21] <Rugludallur> :D Sindarin & Klingon
[08:26:03] <fenn> sindarin might actually be speakable
[08:26:21] <fenn> lojban was designed by committee
[08:28:09] <Rugludallur> :D
[08:29:47] <fenn> okey bedtime
[08:29:59] <Rugludallur> night fenn
[08:36:18] <alex_joni> hey Rugludallur
[08:36:27] <alex_joni> I closed that bug report.. hope that's ok
[08:43:32] <Rugludallur> alex_joni: great, I was going to close it but I noticed that you had already
[08:45:38] <alex_joni> thanks for spotting it
[08:45:50] <alex_joni> btw.. I was wondering
[08:46:08] <alex_joni> I think I asked this already.. why don't you use a M-code for the plasma on/off ?
[08:47:28] <Rugludallur> I have not really given it much thought
[08:47:54] <Rugludallur> spindle sounded like the logical choice
[08:48:39] <Rugludallur> This is my first CNC project so I don't really know any g-code
[08:49:24] <alex_joni> ok, I think that's fine too :)
[08:49:48] <alex_joni> although it might be interesting to give some thoughts about taking tool-specific stuff out of the controller
[08:49:52] <alex_joni> and have it separately
[08:50:04] <alex_joni> for instance have a plasma controller
[08:50:15] <alex_joni> along with the one for milling
[08:51:15] <Rugludallur> well the only real difference i have come across was that issue with the spindle still turned on after limit error, for everything else the mill controller works just fine
[08:51:49] <Rugludallur> im not sure it would be worth the extra effort, but you might have a better idea of what is involved
[08:58:36] <alex_joni> Rugludallur: it probably won't help in the beginning ;)
[08:58:52] <alex_joni> but it might help create a flexible framework for other types of application
[08:59:05] <alex_joni> like laser, welding, etc
[09:01:15] <Rugludallur> hmm
[09:04:48] <Rugludallur> the only thing that is different about arc/laser machines is that they tend to have wait times and automatically controlled Z axis
[09:06:16] <Rugludallur> I can see this becoming very complicated with robotic arms though, and there I think a separate controller would be simpler
[09:08:27] <Rugludallur> alex_joni: although it could be worth while to implement the THC features in C rather than hal
[09:15:09] <Rugludallur> If you have a voltage sensor controlled Z axis you can do tig welding, you don't need any interactive height control for mig/stick welding
[09:16:35] <Rugludallur> for spot welding a couple of inductive/capacative sensors would need to be put in place and some logic made
[09:20:43] <alex_joni> right
[09:21:27] <Rugludallur> mostly the same as for plasma, im just wondering how making the logic could be made simpler
[09:22:30] <alex_joni> actually you do needinteractive for mig welding ;)
[09:22:35] <alex_joni> it's called path following
[09:22:48] <alex_joni> and just as in plasma the current is used to determine the distance to the workpiece
[09:22:59] <alex_joni> well plasma uses voltage, but you get the idea ;)
[09:23:12] <alex_joni> it is also used to determine left-right location on corner welds
[09:23:37] <Rugludallur> ahh makes sense, constant current vs constant voltage
[09:23:51] <alex_joni> Rugludallur: I think all that HAL you wrote can be made a simple component, now using the stuff that jepler did it would be quite easy to write
[09:24:08] <Rugludallur> probably a lot faster to :D
[09:25:28] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/docs/devel/html/hal/comp/
[09:28:00] <alex_joni> brb
[09:33:25] <alex_joni> back
[09:37:32] <alex_joni> http://www.bash.org/?679319
[09:48:35] <alex_joni> lol http://www.bash.org/?46750
[09:56:28] <Rugludallur> lol
[10:14:11] <alex_joni> whoa: http://srhpost.blogspot.com/2006/09/mother-of-year.html
[10:41:00] <alex_joni> hi Jymmm
[10:41:10] <Jymmm> hey
[10:41:23] <alex_joni> so early up?
[10:41:48] <Jymmm> couldn't sleep, been up for a few hours.
[10:42:56] <alex_joni> ouch.. that's always bad :(
[10:43:06] <alex_joni> one thing to stay up on purpose..
[10:44:27] <Jymmm> Yeah, still haven't found a place to live (one slight prospect), still working on getting a job (one very strong prospect, alreayd had a 4hr interview, waiting for in-person in the next 48 hours)
[10:54:52] <Jymmm> did I scare you off there alex_joni ? lol
[10:57:27] <alex_joni> sorry.. was on another terminal
[10:57:50] <alex_joni> sounds like things are going up..
[11:01:59] <Jymmm> Eh, so so. Nothing definate yet. Just "wishful thinking" atm.
[11:02:40] <alex_joni> Jymmm: better then the other way around
[11:03:57] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Not really. anything can fall thru right now, so until it's in writing, it's not going to do any good. We have looked/applied at so many places it's pathetic.
[11:04:20] <Jymmm> housing in this area is very rough.
[11:18:29] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Take a look at this... http://sfbay.craigslist.org/sby/apa/208201878.html
[11:21:03] <SWPadnos> unless it's tiny or in a very bad neighborhood, that's about the same price as here
[11:23:23] <Jymmm> What you DONT see is the stained from water damage ceiling of the garage, the 4 lane street that is 15 feet infront of the garage doors opposite of the 8 lane freeway and no street parking. The 40oz beer bottles laying next to the bushes, the steel gates on the front doors....
[11:23:56] <SWPadnos> yeah - it looks almost nice from the photos ;)
[11:24:11] <Jymmm> Yeah, it looks GREAT in the photos.
[11:24:22] <Jymmm> zoom out and you got OH SHIT!
[11:24:27] <alex_joni> a bit much :)
[11:25:25] <Jymmm> We were wondering why it had been available for two weeks so we drove by, and now know.
[11:25:44] <SWPadnos> at least its right next to an exit ramp :)
[11:26:27] <SWPadnos> is that a trucking depot on the corner?
[11:26:30] <Jymmm> Wrong, If you exit the freeway and do not turn (like you are suppose to) you will drive directly into the garages.
[11:26:58] <Jymmm> No, it's a trailer store.... like car trailers, m/c trailers etc
[11:27:02] <SWPadnos> ugh
[11:28:00] <SWPadnos> man - those houses are packed in like sardines
[11:28:31] <Jymmm> 9000 person per square mile is the population density here
[11:28:40] <SWPadnos> eeewwwww
[11:28:59] <SWPadnos> of course, it's the same in the next town over, and almost the same here in essex junction
[11:29:02] <Jymmm> the national average is like 1000 per sq mile iirc
[11:30:15] <SWPadnos> for developed areas, I could believe that
[11:30:27] <SWPadnos> else we'd have a population of 3.5 billion
[11:31:47] <Jymmm> It's EXTREMELY rough locating "pet friendly" places
[11:32:24] <SWPadnos> hey - they have new satellite imagery of here - the new veteran's memorial park is in there
[11:32:50] <Jymmm> hybrid or google earth?
[11:33:14] <SWPadnos> satellite / hybrid view
[11:33:23] <SWPadnos> look for taft street, 05452
[11:33:38] <Jymmm> yeah, we use that all the time to get a perspective of places before driving by
[11:34:16] <SWPadnos> the state fair was going on in the previous photos, but the fairgrounds are empty in the new ones
[11:34:28] <SWPadnos> I wonder if that's our new roof
[11:34:31] <SWPadnos> brb
[11:37:50] <SWPadnos> hmmm. hard to rell about the roof, but the new garden is there (from last year, I think)
[11:37:55] <SWPadnos> s/rell/tell/
[11:39:32] <Jymmm> 50mb mpg How car engines are made (automated cnc production), anyone interested?
[11:39:49] <SWPadnos> where is it?
[11:39:54] <Jymmm> my hdd
[11:40:09] <SWPadnos> err - maybe later :)
[11:40:30] <SWPadnos> I'm not officially awake yet
[11:40:30] <alex_joni> Jymmm: I would be ;)
[11:40:35] <alex_joni> any ways to put it up?
[11:41:18] <Jymmm> dcc accept alex_joni
[11:41:20] <alex_joni> DCC SEND from Jymmm [ port 0]
[11:41:27] <Jymmm> oh hell
[11:41:29] <alex_joni> can't really accept that
[11:41:52] <Jymmm> you got a big email box?
[11:41:58] <Jymmm> * Jymmm snickers
[11:43:04] <alex_joni> Jymmm: yes
[11:45:39] <alex_joni> Jymmm: not quite sure it still works with big files, but I got a CD once emailed :D
[11:51:37] <Jymmm> alex_joni do you have a ftp server setup I could upload to?
[11:54:09] <SWPadnos> you may be able to email it to me on one of my dreamhost accounts, then I can juct move it somewhere accessible
[11:54:16] <SWPadnos> s/juct/just/
[11:54:47] <alex_joni> email would work here too
[11:54:58] <alex_joni> but that's a pita to send if it gets interrupted, and so on
[11:55:18] <SWPadnos> I'm sure it would piss off some intermediate mail relays as well ;)
[11:55:25] <alex_joni> :P
[11:55:37] <Jymmm> SWPadnos: fsck em if they cant take a joke =)
[11:55:42] <SWPadnos> heh
[11:56:03] <SWPadnos> SMTP: 325: ATTACHMENT TOO FUCKING BIG!
[11:56:24] <SWPadnos> or similar ;)
[11:56:30] <alex_joni> SMTP: 335: ATTACHMENT TRUNKATED TO SANE SIZE
[12:01:55] <Jymmm> SMTP: 503: ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR FSCKING MIND?!
[12:34:59] <jepler> alex_joni: doesn't look like you convinced Rugludallur to try out comp. :(
[12:35:08] <jepler> I am still waiting for anybody else to actually use it
[12:35:22] <alex_joni> jepler: I'm getting there ;)
[12:35:39] <jepler> alex_joni: you have a use in mind?
[12:35:42] <alex_joni> It's easier to take him slow..
[12:35:45] <alex_joni> jepler: THC
[12:35:53] <jepler> oh, I thought you meant you were going to try it
[12:35:58] <alex_joni> automatic torch height control for plasma :)
[12:36:07] <alex_joni> jepler: I might one of these days
[12:36:20] <jepler> but you don't have the right stuff installed on your system, eh/
[12:36:26] <alex_joni> * alex_joni grins
[12:36:37] <alex_joni> that's a very small problem with apt-get & friends
[12:36:56] <jepler> you had trouble getting the package?
[12:36:56] <alex_joni> but it brings up a potential problem..
[12:37:04] <alex_joni> jepler: never tried *blush*
[12:37:11] <jepler> what's the "potential problem"?
[12:37:23] <alex_joni> configure manages to work beside a dependency
[12:37:36] <alex_joni> yet if the configs still assume that, it won't work
[12:37:52] <alex_joni> so maybe when we replace blocks completely we need configure to barf on missing yapps
[12:38:08] <alex_joni> or maybe just supply the generated .c for the comp's
[12:38:24] <jepler> that's what I wanted to do, but yapps couldn't be easily installed on all the far machines
[12:38:41] <jepler> so jmk and I compromised and made it optional for now
[12:38:56] <alex_joni> yeah, and I agree it's ok for now
[12:39:20] <alex_joni> but otoh it might be similar to configure.in configure
[12:39:30] <jepler> if you want to change sim/axis to use the blocks comp instead of the comp comp, please do
[12:39:46] <alex_joni> jepler: nah, that's ok
[12:40:24] <jepler> and of course nobody who installs 2.1 from our deb, or uses 'build-dep' after 2.1 is available, will even notice there's a potential problem
[12:40:58] <jepler> bbl
[12:57:49] <jepler> back
[12:59:05] <jepler> man I hate C++
[12:59:10] <jepler> it is the worst language
[12:59:28] <alex_joni> jepler: ever tried c# ?
[12:59:31] <jepler> alex_joni: of course not
[12:59:38] <jepler> it can't be as bad as C++ though
[12:59:40] <alex_joni> then.. it's not the worst :)
[12:59:40] <SWPadnos> how about objective C
[12:59:43] <alex_joni> or java :)
[12:59:47] <pier_casa> jepler: so do I
[13:04:44] <pier_casa> this is dedicated to all you guys working on emc: http:\\\Pratica_17_09_2006\dscf0089.jpg
[13:05:34] <alex_joni> * alex_joni runs home
[13:06:02] <alex_joni> pier_casa: did you fly that?
[13:06:05] <pier_casa> sorry... doing some experiment
[13:06:11] <alex_joni> ;-)
[13:06:13] <jepler>
[13:06:14] <pier_casa> alex_joni: ;)
[13:06:22] <pier_casa> thanks jepler
[13:06:38] <pier_casa> red arrows in Rome on Sunday
[13:06:46] <jepler> interesting picture
[13:07:07] <pier_casa> crap photpgrapher (me)
[13:07:40] <pier_casa> pier_casa: will soon or later ask for advice to alex_joni on shooting good pics
[13:09:37] <pier_casa> alex_joni: the only thing I flew was a Morane Saulnier M.S.880
[13:11:33] <pier_casa> and a Piper PA28 once :(
[13:12:24] <davidf> hi
[13:19:21] <davidf> I commented out the /etc/modprobe.d/emc2 file, but the computer still doesn't recognize my printer. Any body have a suggestion ?
[13:20:00] <davidf> I also have a dev emc on this box. Is there another file associated with that I need to fix?
[13:21:15] <davidf> I have an HP Laserjet 4 printer, and Ubuntu Breezy Linux
[13:22:44] <SWPadnos> have you been rebooting between changes to the /etc/modprobe.d/emc2 file? (I think it's a bootup control file)
[13:23:12] <davidf> Hi SWPadnos Yes.
[13:23:19] <SWPadnos> hi davidf ok.
[13:23:22] <SWPadnos> :)
[13:24:54] <davidf> Do you know if the development emc might have its own file for the printer port as well?
[13:25:19] <SWPadnos> that's not what this fiddling is about
[13:25:34] <davidf> oh.
[13:25:49] <SWPadnos> basically, EMC2's use of the parallel port is incompatible with using a printer, so you have to prevent the "normal" drivers from loading
[13:26:06] <SWPadnos> are you using a printer on one pport, and emc on another?
[13:26:29] <davidf> No, just the one on board port.
[13:26:57] <SWPadnos> and you switch cables or use a switchbox to change between the machine and the printer?
[13:26:57] <davidf> Im not using emc on this box anyway. This is the box that wouldnt work with it.
[13:27:01] <SWPadnos> ah
[13:28:14] <davidf> But I would like to not have to remove emc altogether, because I have some configs here and the dev install Id like to keep. but if I need to uninstall it that would be ok too I guess.
[13:29:07] <SWPadnos> and the printer just doesn't work, regardless of whether you have that file or not?
[13:29:17] <davidf> I tried a lot of stuff. Put my boot setup back to the defaults, tried &H278 port addy etc.
[13:29:48] <davidf> Right. I get no printers found in the printer setup.
[13:30:08] <SWPadnos> and the printer is on when you run setup? (sorry - have to ask ;) )
[13:30:51] <davidf> The printer works fine with windows, but I took that off the other computer when I installed Ubuntu for emc.
[13:31:01] <davidf> Yes thats ok.
[13:32:33] <davidf> I've tried turning on the printer before booting and vice versa, no help.
[13:32:57] <SWPadnos> what's the output of lsmod | grep -i par
[13:33:07] <davidf> hang on...
[13:33:48] <davidf> dave@ubuntu:~$ lsmod | grep -i par
[13:33:49] <davidf> parport 27464 1 lp
[13:33:49] <davidf> dave@ubuntu:~$
[13:33:59] <cradek> no parport_pc
[13:34:25] <davidf> hi cradek - what's that again?
[13:34:35] <cradek> hi
[13:34:57] <cradek> I think parport_pc should be loaded
[13:35:50] <davidf> alex_joni told me to comment out the parport_pc line in /etc/modprobe.d/emc2, so I did that.
[13:36:18] <davidf> But it didnt change anything.
[13:36:48] <cradek> hmmm
[13:36:53] <SWPadnos> you should be able to just remove /etc/modprobe.d/emc2 if you don't want to run a parport-connected machine with this computer
[13:37:46] <davidf> ok I camn do that. cradek said to just move it , but with the line commented out shouldn't that do the job as well?
[13:37:55] <SWPadnos> in theory
[13:38:10] <jepler> if you *move* it within the same directory, it won't make any difference
[13:38:36] <davidf> Well then I'll just treoretically print hypoteses only. NP.
[13:38:52] <davidf> boy what typos.
[13:38:56] <SWPadnos> heh
[13:39:04] <SWPadnos> theory and practice in practice
[13:39:51] <davidf> Well, I'll save on paper this way I guess.
[13:40:19] <SWPadnos> yes - one step closer to the paperless office
[13:40:21] <davidf> OK so you think I should delete the file huh?
[13:40:56] <SWPadnos> it's unnecessary if you dont intend to run emc on this machine
[13:42:33] <davidf> Hey SWPadnos there is a file /etc/modprobe.d/emc ~ that linux saved as back up after the edit I guess. Could that do it?
[13:43:03] <SWPadnos> I suspect it could. I don't really know how the files in that dir work ;)
[13:43:21] <jepler> yes, it would
[13:43:31] <jepler> all files in that directory are treated equally, even if they end with funny characters
[13:44:39] <davidf> Well, now actually, I dont see the file today in the file browser.
[13:44:48] <davidf> just emc2.
[13:46:07] <SWPadnos> the file browser may be set to ignore backup fiiles (file~ is a common backup convention)
[13:46:33] <davidf> Ah, but I backed up the original emc2 file by making a dir, /etc/modprob.d/emc2bak/emc2 Should I delete that?
[13:47:12] <davidf> /etc/modprobe.d not /modprob
[13:48:21] <jepler> yes, probably files in subdirectories are used too
[13:49:18] <davidf> duh, what's the linux cmd for delete?
[13:49:27] <SWPadnos> rm
[13:49:32] <davidf> thx
[13:51:52] <davidf> OK, I deleted the files. I'll reboot & see what happens. bbl.
[13:51:58] <SWPadnos> ok
[13:57:21] <davidf> Yay. Thanks guys.
[13:57:58] <SWPadnos> damn. no paperless office ;)
[13:58:20] <davidf> SWPadnos, cradek & jepler my printer is online and you'ree off the hook. Thanks!
[13:58:33] <cradek> yay
[13:59:07] <davidf> Well, actually I dont have an office. At least I don't remember there being one under all this paper....
[14:16:16] <SWPadnos> heh. it's hard for me to find the floor (or is it carpet) under all this paper :)
[14:26:24] <A-L-P-H-A> umm...
[14:26:35] <A-L-P-H-A> you guys want to learn about a system to organize paper?
[14:26:43] <SWPadnos> it's called a shredder
[14:26:57] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.lifeclever.com/2006/08/21/10-tips-for-keeping-your-desk-clean-and-tidy/
[14:28:12] <SWPadnos> I'd need a bigger desk. the 3 CRTs or 2 24" LCDs take up too much space
[14:32:24] <A-L-P-H-A> 30" x 5' is my desk... plus an extension...
[14:32:37] <A-L-P-H-A> fits 3 17" LCDs and a computer and an AIO printer just fine. :)
[14:34:39] <SWPadnos> but no inbox / outbox / trash box / to-do box ... :)
[14:35:20] <A-L-P-H-A> umm. no... I 'have' a shelf from ikea for that... it's a sheet metal shelf.
[14:35:26] <A-L-P-H-A> let me see if i can find it online
[14:42:17] <davidf> shredders dont help. They just make the paper take up even more room on the floor, the way they curl up.
[14:42:47] <SWPadnos> but you can actually throw stuff away after it's shredded
[14:42:47] <A-L-P-H-A> cross cutter
[14:42:55] <A-L-P-H-A> doesn't take up too much space.
[14:43:17] <A-L-P-H-A> this is whacked... I've taken up wood working... or at least I enjoy it a lot
[14:43:30] <A-L-P-H-A> can't find the shelf on ikea.
[14:44:06] <A-L-P-H-A> it's like 15" by 2'... with three letter sized tabs cut out.
[14:44:15] <A-L-P-H-A> I gotta return it... it's scratched.
[14:44:21] <SWPadnos> no biggie. the plan in my office is to have a 10-12" deep shelf around two walls of the room, about 30 feet total length
[14:48:11] <A-L-P-H-A> I see.
[14:48:22] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm designing a solid wood shelf, pine, atm.
[14:48:51] <A-L-P-H-A> can't decide on solid pine doors, or framed pine with a glass or plexiglass insert.
[14:48:59] <A-L-P-H-A> I have the tools for everything.
[14:49:08] <SWPadnos> I usually go for oak when I build
[14:49:14] <A-L-P-H-A> oak = $$$
[14:49:18] <SWPadnos> I prefer the look, and I like making my friends work when I move
[14:49:19] <A-L-P-H-A> pine = $$
[14:49:25] <A-L-P-H-A> ikea = $
[14:49:56] <A-L-P-H-A> I like birch.
[15:06:21] <sed_> what would be the best post processor in mastercam to use for EMC?
[15:07:12] <cradek> I think LH just put his on the wiki
[15:07:40] <SWPadnos> I think that's for EdgeCAM
[15:07:44] <SWPadnos> or something like that
[15:07:46] <cradek> oh
[15:07:53] <cradek> 'somethingcam'
[15:08:03] <SWPadnos> somethingorotherCAM
[15:08:05] <cradek> they're all the same to me I guess
[15:09:03] <SWPadnos> yeah - expensive software that only runs on Windows
[15:10:53] <sed_> yea windows sucks, but large companies that know jack about machine shops buy mastercam.
[15:11:25] <sed_> least mine did
[15:12:48] <cradek> jepler says use the one that has G0, G1, F and M2, and just delete all the rest of the lines
[15:13:38] <cradek> i.e. I don't think any of us know the answer to your question
[15:13:57] <cradek> did you try a fanuc? maybe you can just hack it until it works
[15:14:37] <sed_> there are several fanuc controlers.. I can try them all and see what puts out the least non compatible code..
[15:14:46] <sed_> but that would imply I know what I am doing.. which I dont..
[15:14:48] <SWPadnos> from what I hear, fanuc or haas are the closest
[15:15:37] <SWPadnos> but I may be saying that because they're the only ones I know of
[15:15:55] <cradek> some of us know rs274ngc pretty well, maybe we can tell you what's wrong so you know what to hack on
[15:16:13] <cradek> might be worth asking on emc-users
[15:16:20] <cradek> ray, dave-e, etc can help I'm sure
[15:16:36] <jepler> if you come up with something that works reasonably well, please put it on our wiki: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Cam_Post
[15:17:19] <sed_> I havent even tried it, I am using master cam to generate code for milling a bunch of text on parts for a friend that is out of town..
[15:17:37] <cradek> in that case maybe you CAN delete everything but g0,g1,f,m2
[15:18:13] <cradek> deleting the first ten lines of incompatible initialization junk always seems like it's a good place to start
[15:18:33] <sed_> yea, with my limited knoledge it seems only the first few lines would have anyting in them that EMC might not like...
[15:18:55] <cradek> yeah I've definitely seen that
[15:19:37] <cradek> if it's gcodes you don't recognize, delete them and hit reload in axis, repeat as necessary
[15:40:20] <davidf> sed_, If its just text, this worked well for me. I initialization at all, not even %. You have to add feed rate too.
[15:40:24] <davidf> http://www.dakeng.com/ace.html
[15:40:29] <davidf> It's free.
[15:41:10] <davidf> No initialization not 'I' initialization.
[15:43:36] <davidf> I think there is a compiled version on the MasterCam site. That's what I used.
[16:10:03] <MichelG> Hello everybody
[16:10:23] <alex_joni> hello MichelG
[16:12:08] <MichelG> alex_joni: I posted a ?bug? info on the developers list, but as I am not a member, it bounced. Could you midn have a look at it?
[16:12:52] <alex_joni> sure
[16:13:09] <cradek> MichelG: john K and I examined this problem a while back and we fixed and tested the fix --- I agree now it is back, and I don't know if this is a regression or maybe we never really fixed it (our tests were incomplete afterward).
[16:13:12] <alex_joni> * alex_joni tries
[16:13:20] <cradek> he is traveling this week unfortunately
[16:13:30] <alex_joni> cradek: did you get the mail?
[16:13:34] <cradek> yes
[16:14:47] <cradek> I just sent it through
[16:14:48] <MichelG> Thank you. I spend 5 hours digging into the code, but it is VERY convoluted...
[16:15:13] <alex_joni> got it now
[16:15:20] <cradek> we found that it was a problem in stepgen itself (this does not happen with servos)
[16:16:54] <cradek> although if I remember exactly, we were triggering a *following error*, not an estop
[16:17:19] <cradek> maybe this recovery after estop is a separate issue
[16:17:47] <MichelG> On my system, a joint following error trips an e-stop, at least on minimill
[16:18:04] <alex_joni> it trips a machine off aka estop reset
[16:18:08] <alex_joni> not an estop
[16:18:08] <cradek> I'm pretty sure a JFE just turns machine off
[16:18:12] <cradek> right
[16:18:21] <alex_joni> MichelG: it's called 'ESTOP RESET'
[16:18:35] <cradek> the bug I think we fixed earlier was that turning machine back on caused another JFE
[16:18:39] <alex_joni> probably not the best way to call it, but it means it's out of estop, but machine is off
[16:18:57] <alex_joni> cradek: when doing some tests with the stepper driver I noticed it only once
[16:19:00] <MichelG> I am not totally clear about the difference between machine stop and e-stop
[16:19:06] <alex_joni> jog with high speed, ferror
[16:19:23] <alex_joni> MichelG: there are the following levels:
[16:19:23] <cradek> MichelG: there are three states, estop, machine off (aka ESTOP RESET), machine on
[16:19:39] <alex_joni> ESTOP, ESTOP RESET (aka. MACHINE OFF), MACHINE ON
[16:19:54] <alex_joni> in ESTOP there isn't anything happening
[16:19:57] <cradek> we're YELLING only because that's what tkemc does :-)
[16:20:13] <MichelG> OK. The problem occurs when going from ESTOP RESET to MACHINE ON.
[16:20:15] <alex_joni> in MACHINE OFF you can still have the spindle, coolant and lube turned on
[16:20:32] <alex_joni> in MACHINE ON you actually have enabled motor controllers and could move if commanded
[16:20:43] <alex_joni> MichelG: right, that was the initial bug discovery too
[16:20:54] <MichelG> I have manual spindle, no lube and no coolant :-)
[16:20:58] <alex_joni> and the solution was: while not enabled make cmd = feedback
[16:22:54] <cradek> alex_joni: there was also another problem with stepgen
[16:22:55] <MichelG> alex_joni: I think I tried that (in set_operating_modes()) but it did not changed anything. BTW I won't have access to my mill before next weekend.
[16:22:58] <cradek> let me see if I can find the diff
[16:23:14] <cradek> MichelG: are you using 2.0.3 release or cvs?
[16:24:19] <jepler> does stepgen zero out its internal record of velocity when its enable output goes low?
[16:24:26] <cradek> jepler: http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cvs/emc2/src/hal/components/stepgen.c.diff?r1=1.30;r2=1.31
[16:24:42] <cradek> jepler: that was exactly the fix
[16:24:46] <jepler> oh
[16:24:52] <alex_joni> cradek: the problem with stepgen was that it needed to be disabled
[16:24:54] <jepler> so I was on the right track, except for the part where it was fixed already
[16:24:55] <alex_joni> not cause pulses
[16:25:05] <alex_joni> but it does that now..
[16:25:13] <MichelG> cradek: CVS, last saturday HEAD.
[16:25:18] <cradek> we need to test all these cases again
[16:25:28] <cradek> I'm pretty sure the JFE after JFE problem disappeared with this fix
[16:25:35] <cradek> maybe estop is another issue completely
[16:25:38] <davidf> sed_, this is where I actually got the binary for ace converter, I think. It is for windows & works well.
[16:25:55] <cradek> MichelG: good, you can help us test a fix before we put it in a 2.0.4 release.
[16:26:22] <davidf> cradek, on my emc, when that happens, if the planned move was short, it comes back on after a few seconds.
[16:26:36] <MichelG> cradek: OK, I am willing to help.
[16:26:39] <davidf> If the planned move was long, it doesnt.
[16:26:42] <cradek> davidf: what comes back on?
[16:27:02] <cradek> I don't understand
[16:27:02] <davidf> sorry. got a phone call...
[16:28:22] <alex_joni> cradek: what have you got in mind?
[16:28:36] <cradek> ?
[16:28:46] <alex_joni> 19:28 < cradek> MichelG: good, you can help us test a fix before we put it in a
[16:28:47] <alex_joni> 2.0.4 release.
[16:29:08] <cradek> here's what I have in mind: we test and figure out the bug, then fix it
[16:29:18] <alex_joni> :)
[16:29:22] <SWPadnos> agreed!
[16:29:25] <alex_joni> good plan, I like it
[16:29:45] <cradek> if that works for MichelG we'll put it in the eventual 2.0.4
[16:30:57] <jepler> so is it going to turn out that it's because of an *external* estop condition, not an internal one (pressing escape)?
[16:31:21] <cradek> pressing escape is not an estop
[16:31:23] <MichelG> OK, except my mill is im my country house, where I go only during the weekends...
[16:31:24] <jepler> er, pressing F1
[16:31:41] <cradek> maybe so
[16:34:16] <acemi> I get "Could not kill task milltask, PID=5670" message when closing TkEMC and I can't start it again. the full output of "scripts/emc -d" is http://rafb.net/paste/results/ABh4uM71.html
[16:35:06] <acemi> my machine is debian etch with rta from BDI. EMC2 is from HEAD
[16:35:24] <MichelG> I am tinkering with the probe, and I am doing 2 mods: 1) trip an estop if the probe trips while in motion and not doing a G38.2; 2) add the "MSG#,"hot comment, which expand "#expression" into the value of the register (nice for debug & getting mesured values)
[16:35:54] <jepler> acemi: I made some changes to shutdown, perhaps they're buggy. Try updating to this date or earlier: Mon Sep 18 15:22:53 2006 UTC (25 hours, 14 minutes ago) by jepler
[16:36:05] <alex_joni> acemi: can you kill milltask by hand?
[16:36:18] <acemi> alex_joni, no
[16:36:35] <alex_joni> acemi: sudo kill -9 doesn't work ?
[16:36:58] <cradek> acemi: you aren't running emc with sudo in any way are you?
[16:38:01] <acemi> sudo kill -9 doesn't kill task
[16:38:22] <acemi> cradek, I run it as normal user
[16:38:33] <acemi> not with sudo
[16:38:59] <jepler> any messages in dmesg that might be relevant?
[16:39:23] <cradek> what STATE is it in (ps x)?
[16:39:51] <jepler> "D" if I read the output of the included ps right
[16:39:59] <jepler> 0 D 1000 5670 5580 0 78 0 - 1110 sync_p pts/0 00:00:00 milltask
[16:40:11] <cradek> hmm
[16:40:28] <cradek> sorry, I missed the url earlier
[16:40:36] <acemi> http://rafb.net/paste/results/QONAoo89.html
[16:40:56] <acemi> from /var/log/syslog
[16:42:58] <cradek> maybe attach strace or gdb to that stuck milltask and see what it's doing
[16:44:06] <cradek> % gdb /home/acemi/test/emc2/emc2-20060919/bin/milltask 5670
[16:44:07] <acemi> I build the source with gcc3.4, does this cause problem?
[16:44:07] <cradek> (gdb) bt
[16:44:18] <cradek> not if that matches your kernel and rtai build
[16:44:41] <acemi> I build all with the same gcc
[16:45:03] <cradek> 3.4 is fine, that's what we use on breezy
[16:45:56] <acemi> after "% gdb /home/acemi/test/emc2/emc2-20060919/bin/milltask" there is no message
[16:46:28] <cradek> did you put the 5670? it should print a lot of stuff and then give you a (gdb) prompt
[16:46:32] <acemi> after "Attaching to program: /home/acemi/test/emc2/emc2-20060919/bin/milltask, process 5670" there is no message
[16:46:45] <cradek> hmm
[16:46:54] <acemi> gdb /home/acemi/test/emc2/emc2-20060919/bin/milltask 5670 <- I use this as root
[16:47:45] <cradek> try strace -p 5670
[16:48:17] <jepler> I bet it'll hang too
[16:48:24] <cradek> did emc work fine until exit?
[16:48:25] <jepler> my experience is that you can't start tracing a program that's in "D"
[16:48:30] <cradek> oh
[16:48:54] <cradek> if so, you should put strace on it before exiting
[16:49:21] <acemi> cradek, esc doesn't works but for example mdi works fine
[16:49:37] <alex_joni> esc ?
[16:49:39] <cradek> what do you mean esc doesn't work?
[16:49:53] <acemi> abort button in TkEMC
[16:50:05] <cradek> what do you mean by not working?
[16:50:24] <acemi> normally after esc, machine goes to off
[16:50:37] <cradek> no it doesn't
[16:50:38] <acemi> but now, no change
[16:50:48] <cradek> esc does not turn machine off normally
[16:51:16] <acemi> so, I can see a problem when running tkemc
[16:51:33] <acemi> ı can't...
[16:51:49] <cradek> I'm lost
[16:52:02] <cradek> when you hit ESC motion should stop, the machine state does not change
[16:52:15] <cradek> which thing are you saying works incorrectly?
[16:52:27] <acemi> sorry, tkemc is OK
[16:52:43] <cradek> brb
[16:52:43] <acemi> problem starts when shutting
[16:53:13] <jepler> before shutting down emc, use "strace -p <process id of milltask>"
[16:53:21] <jepler> then we'll know the last things it does before it gets stuck
[16:54:06] <acemi> ok, but I must reboot because I can kill the processes
[16:58:13] <alex_joni> bbl
[16:59:08] <acemi> I did a try but for this time there is no problem. I'll try again
[17:11:26] <acemi_> my machine was locked when shutting TkEMC
[17:11:34] <acemi_> I'll try again
[17:22:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 'lo
[17:24:59] <acemi_> there is no problem in my first try. then I try to start tkemc again and it doesn't start. the output is http://rafb.net/paste/results/pi5eyU31.html
[17:26:49] <acemi_> at third try, I get "insmod: error inserting '/lib/modules/2.6.16-rtai/rtai/rtai_hal.ko': -1 File exists"
[17:28:11] <SWPadnos> can you also post the results of dmesg ?
[17:28:24] <acemi_> 1 sn
[17:28:31] <SWPadnos> ko
[17:28:33] <SWPadnos> ok
[17:30:13] <acemi_> http://rafb.net/paste/results/oOMPPK24.html
[17:32:24] <acemi_> I must restart the X again because I can't close the starup gif of EMC i
[17:38:08] <acemi> to patch the kernel, I used the patch which come with rtai, not adeos patch. is this OK?
[17:38:34] <SWPadnos> I think that's right, assuming you used the correct one for your kernel/processor ...
[17:39:49] <SWPadnos> (shich I trust you did, given your skill level)
[17:39:56] <SWPadnos> s/shich/which/
[17:42:11] <acemi> I wrote all things which I did there: http://www.emrah.com/notlar/rtai_modulunun_2.6_cekirdege_uygulanmasi.txt
[17:44:06] <SWPadnos> hmmm. I'm not sure that the version of RTAI used on BDI is the same as that used for EMC2/Ubuntu
[17:44:48] <SWPadnos> in fact, I know that there are some differences, since the BDI doesn't seem to include the testsuite (or at least it didn't)
[17:45:18] <acemi> after installing rtai-dev, testsuite is installed
[17:45:26] <SWPadnos> ok
[17:57:05] <SWPadnos> one thing I don't like, though I don't know exactly what causes it, is line 11 of the debug log: "emc/usr_intf/emcsh.cc 5359: can't connect to emc"
[18:02:35] <acemi> bin/emcsvr doesn't shut down when I close tkemc
[18:03:49] <SWPadnos> are you using one of the sample configs from CVS?
[18:03:58] <acemi> yes
[18:04:19] <SWPadnos> ok - that kills one theory of mine ;)
[18:04:22] <acemi> I sim -> tkemc from CVS -rTESTING
[18:05:03] <SWPadnos> hmmm. I'm not sure where the TESTING tag is. HEAD would be better, I think
[18:05:23] <acemi> ı tried the HEAD too
[18:06:32] <acemi> I can't kill emcsvr with sudo kill -9
[18:31:46] <acemi> does SELinux prevent to run EMC?
[18:33:23] <SWPadnos> I'm not sure anyone has checked
[18:33:57] <SWPadnos> but I'd expect it to prevent modules from loading, rather than creating problems trying to shut down
[18:40:10] <jepler> ubuntu doesn't use selinux by default, so few if any people are running emc2 on machines with selinux.
[18:41:37] <jepler> (see https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/selinux https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SELinux )
[19:40:26] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/control.c: homing shouldn't silently stop when a shared home switch is closed
[19:41:57] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/dallur-thc/dallur-halvcp.hal: wait for a userspace component in the proper way
[19:46:07] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/sim/ (axis.ini simulated_home.hal):
[19:46:07] <CIA-8> use the blocks comp for the simulated axis again
[19:46:07] <CIA-8> load 'comp' and 'or2' blocks in core_sim because they're used by simulated_home
[19:46:07] <CIA-8> make the simulated_home configuration have a shared (X and Z) home switch
[19:46:07] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/common/core_sim.hal:
[19:46:07] <CIA-8> use the blocks comp for the simulated axis again
[19:46:11] <CIA-8> load 'comp' and 'or2' blocks in core_sim because they're used by simulated_home
[19:46:13] <CIA-8> make the simulated_home configuration have a shared (X and Z) home switch
[19:46:59] <alex_joni> jepler: thank you very much
[20:17:19] <robin_sz> meep?
[20:19:18] <robin_sz> hey alex ...
[20:19:32] <alex_joni> hello robin_sz
[20:19:47] <robin_sz> how are your plums ?
[20:21:08] <robin_sz> we had a very interesting enquiry today
[20:21:44] <robin_sz> if we can get it, then it will be our largest order yet
[20:21:47] <alex_joni> robin_sz: I'm in denial right now :)
[20:21:54] <alex_joni> no more plums for at least a year
[20:21:58] <alex_joni> probably 2
[20:21:58] <robin_sz> heh
[20:21:59] <alex_joni> :)
[20:22:05] <alex_joni> 800kg was the total count
[20:22:10] <robin_sz> yowza
[20:22:20] <robin_sz> big plums!
[20:23:28] <alex_joni> yeap
[20:23:41] <fenn> * fenn hands alex_joni some maalox
[20:23:52] <alex_joni> nah it's ok
[20:47:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 'night
[21:15:06] <CIA-8> 03baslaarhoven 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/axis.py:
[21:15:06] <CIA-8> Workaround for wrong tool size display with metric tool table.
[21:15:06] <CIA-8> Now interprets tool table according to current display units.
[21:16:44] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/comp.g:
[21:16:44] <CIA-8> Add documentation strings to 'comp' files. These strings appear in 'modinfo'
[21:16:44] <CIA-8> and are used by 'comp --document' to create a manpage.
[21:16:54] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/src/hal/comp.lyx:
[21:16:54] <CIA-8> Add documentation strings to 'comp' files. These strings appear in 'modinfo'
[21:16:54] <CIA-8> and are used by 'comp --document' to create a manpage.
[21:16:54] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/components/ (7 files):
[21:16:54] <CIA-8> Add documentation strings to 'comp' files. These strings appear in 'modinfo'
[21:16:56] <CIA-8> and are used by 'comp --document' to create a manpage.
[21:23:01] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/components/Submakefile: autobuild man pages for comps
[21:23:01] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/scripts/comp.g: autobuild man pages for comps
[21:42:16] <pier__> night all!
[21:51:20] <CIA-8> 03compile-farm 07BDI-4.20 (2.6.10-adeos) * 10emc2head/: build FAILED ; see http://linuxcnc.org/compile_farm/emc2head_slot5_log.txt
[22:01:21] <alex_joni> jepler: forgot to add something?
[22:05:14] <jepler> rm ../bin/comp
[22:05:18] <jepler> bizarre, why does it remove this?
[22:05:19] <alex_joni> jepler: obviously I don't know enought about this.. but from reading the build log, there should be a bin/comp (probably generated from comp.py, but I only found a comp.g in emc/usr_intf/axis )
[22:06:31] <alex_joni> oh.. nm
[22:06:36] <alex_joni> %.py: %.g
[22:06:37] <alex_joni> $(YAPPS) $< $@
[22:06:41] <alex_joni> duh..
[22:06:48] <jepler> it makes the .py from the .g, then strips off the .py and puts it in bin
[22:06:54] <jepler> but on the farm, it removes it!
[22:07:12] <alex_joni> make clean (the first time)
[22:07:21] <alex_joni> but the second rm ../bin/comp puzzled me too
[22:10:09] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/components/Submakefile: it's the manpages that need to depend on comp, not the .mak files
[22:10:42] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/axis/Submakefile: by moving PYTARGETS lower, ../bin/comp is correctly made a target
[22:10:44] <jepler> hope this fixes it
[22:10:45] <jepler> bbl
[22:32:58] <alex_joni> should have been fixed..
[22:36:20] <CIA-8> 03compile-farm 07BDI-4.20 (2.6.10-adeos) * 10emc2head/: build PASSED
[23:10:30] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/src/.latex2html-init: make latex2html somewhat quieter
[23:21:22] <robin_sz> anyway, I said to her, "there is NO way I am doing that, at least not unless they take off their nuns outfits and get out the fish oil" ..
[23:21:28] <robin_sz> oops, wrong window
[23:22:55] <alex_joni> robin_sz: was that in #asterisk ? :))
[23:29:30] <danex> Hello All
[23:31:14] <mdynac> hi
[23:31:25] <alex_joni> hello
[23:32:25] <danex> I have been testing a Kubuntu install today, so far O.K.
[23:33:21] <danex> I do have a Halui question
[23:36:02] <danex> Does the Halui replace all the PINS that I/O control would install?
[23:37:06] <alex_joni> no
[23:37:09] <alex_joni> they are complementary
[23:37:24] <alex_joni> halui is intended to replace a normal GUI
[23:37:36] <alex_joni> iocontrol still is the one that does the control of the I/O
[23:39:25] <danex> And I think you said that Halui can run with Tkemc running also
[23:39:39] <robin_sz> * robin_sz wonders why alex_joni is up so late
[23:39:41] <alex_joni> yes
[23:39:46] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders that too
[23:39:59] <alex_joni> danex: there is no problem in having more then one GUI active at a time
[23:40:15] <alex_joni> even on different PC's
[23:40:41] <danex> That is good for my next project machine
[23:41:02] <robin_sz> very handy on machines mor thhan 10m long with an operator at each end
[23:41:58] <danex> robin_sz Have you seen that type of machine in use?
[23:42:05] <robin_sz> ummm ... no.
[23:42:23] <robin_sz> but, should anyone ever build one, EMC is ready for it!
[23:42:34] <alex_joni> I have seen one
[23:42:40] <alex_joni> for bending tubes
[23:42:44] <robin_sz> coo.
[23:42:44] <alex_joni> ~8m long
[23:42:49] <robin_sz> nice.
[23:43:01] <danex> I have seen a machine close to that, but the operator rode the machine
[23:43:08] <alex_joni> heh
[23:43:08] <robin_sz> when I build my tube laser .. :)
[23:43:28] <robin_sz> picking up the slide tomorow hopefully
[23:44:19] <robin_sz> and I have my eye on this too:
[23:44:20] <robin_sz> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/BALDOR-FLEXDRIVE-SERVO-CONTROL-AS-NEW_W0QQitemZ260031813326QQihZ016QQcategoryZ26209QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
[23:44:49] <robin_sz> got the guy to re-list it .. at a lower price :)
[23:47:56] <danex> Is the shipping cost that high on all items in England?
[23:50:46] <danex> In any case not a bad price
[23:53:40] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes to bed
[23:53:41] <alex_joni> night all