#emc | Logs for 2006-08-08

[00:01:21] <CIA-12> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/src/gui/axis.lyx: document the jog slider
[00:08:54] <CIA-12> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/docs/src/gui/axis.lyx: typo
[00:11:25] <jepler> ! TeX capacity exceeded, sorry [input stack size=1500].
[00:11:31] <jepler> If you really absolutely need more capacity,
[00:11:31] <jepler> you can ask a wizard to enlarge me.
[00:11:40] <cradek> wt?
[00:11:53] <jepler> that's the snide output from this latex2html converter
[00:14:06] <jepler> or maybe from TeX itself, I dunno
[00:14:38] <jepler> /usr/share/texmf/web2c/tex.pool:35you can ask a wizard to enlarge me.
[00:15:16] <cradek> does that mean there is some unintended recursion?
[00:15:49] <jepler> maybe
[00:15:54] <jepler> it sure seems to doubt I need that much stack
[00:16:07] <cradek> chris@buster:~/emc2.head$ time cvs stat VERSION >/dev/null
[00:16:11] <cradek> real 0m0.810s
[00:20:44] <CIA-12> 03cradek 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/meter.c: partial fix for feature request 1020124 (halmeter scientific notation).
[00:23:02] <cradek> wonder if jmk will like that fix
[01:47:38] <jmkasunich> cradek: the halmeter fix is fine
[01:48:14] <jmkasunich> someday I want to make it nicer, but perfect has been the enemy of good enough for too long, thanks for doing that
[01:50:40] <cradek> I figured that was the problem, you're welcome
[01:50:56] <cradek> I know how it is
[01:52:11] <jmkasunich> its been well over a year since I spent part of a morning talking to ray about that
[01:52:49] <jmkasunich> I wanted to do something like real meters, with ranging to position the decimal point, autoranging, and manual range up/down buttons
[01:52:59] <jmkasunich> plus a bargraph underneath the numeric display
[01:53:05] <cradek> I recently had to explain to someone that spindle-pos should go from 0.0000000e+00 to 9.9999999e-01
[01:53:23] <jmkasunich> ah
[01:53:30] <jmkasunich> so you were motivated to fix it ;-)
[01:53:46] <cradek> I know you want real-world parallels (to meters)
[01:54:13] <jmkasunich> to be honest, what you did is probably good enough that I will never do any more
[01:54:14] <cradek> but I don't see why you want to emulate the crazy decimal point placement stuff that makes meters hard to use
[01:54:54] <cradek> it reminds me of how you said maybe some menus would have been ok for halscope
[01:54:55] <jmkasunich> for pure numerical display what you did is probably _better_ than what I had in mind
[01:55:10] <jmkasunich> but the bargraph thing needs ranges
[01:55:26] <cradek> that's true I guess
[01:55:47] <jmkasunich> but on the other hand, who needs bargraphs?
[01:55:58] <cradek> well I've never had a bargraph meter, but I sure do keep an analog one around
[01:55:59] <jmkasunich> you can always scope it
[01:56:08] <cradek> true too.
[01:56:34] <cradek> * cradek shrugs
[01:56:42] <jmkasunich> with real instruments, there is a big jump in (in)convenience between putting a DMM on it and hauling out the scope... not so big a jump here
[01:56:57] <cradek> true
[01:57:35] <cradek> I guess it's done :-)
[01:57:38] <jmkasunich> yep
[01:57:54] <cradek> feel free to close that FR if you like
[01:57:56] <jmkasunich> I'm tempted to close out the feature request
[01:57:59] <jmkasunich> ;-)
[01:58:00] <cradek> I know I'll never do the bargraph
[01:58:17] <jmkasunich> I won't either, unless somebody besides me really wants it
[01:58:27] <jmkasunich> I'm gonna close it (I hate the really old ones)
[01:58:32] <cradek> yay
[01:58:37] <jmkasunich> thanks again
[01:58:44] <cradek> welcome, no problem
[01:59:29] <jmkasunich> eww, its worse than I thought
[01:59:32] <jmkasunich> 8/31/04
[01:59:35] <jmkasunich> almost 2 years
[01:59:39] <cradek> haha
[01:59:56] <cradek> that's 4 lines of code per year
[02:01:18] <jmkasunich> I seem to have a block sometimes, I make things more complex than they need to be
[02:01:57] <cradek> I'm (in?)famous for telling a senior programmer at work "ok let's move on" when he was doing that
[02:02:17] <jmkasunich> heh, you should talk to me more often then
[02:10:18] <cradek> how do you feel about a readout for unsigned like 16 (0x10) instead of the current 16 (10)
[02:10:30] <jmkasunich> fine by me
[02:10:32] <cradek> to me that makes it self-documenting
[02:10:52] <jmkasunich> I forgot it even had hex, there are very few unsigned signals in a typical EMC setup
[02:11:01] <cradek> I noticed that as I was looking for one to test it with
[02:11:30] <CIA-12> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/meter.c: make hex values self-documenting
[02:11:52] <cradek> those were my only two complaints, both solved now, yay
[02:17:36] <cradek> haha! http://modders-inc.com/reviews-story--52.html
[02:18:18] <jmkasunich> neat
[02:19:11] <jmkasunich> the board with the leds on it is gonna add noise and hurt airflow tho
[02:19:32] <jmkasunich> would have been better if they could have embedded it in the blade
[02:19:59] <jmkasunich> wonder how they get power to the rotating circuit?
[02:20:50] <cradek> not sure...
[02:21:08] <jmkasunich> coil on the rotating part, stationary magnet?
[02:21:17] <cradek> I once started building a clock based on something like this
[02:21:53] <cradek> I drilled down the motor shaft, out the side past the bearing, then wired into a coil or two (brushed motor)
[02:22:06] <jmkasunich> ah
[02:22:22] <jmkasunich> that wouldnt work with a fan
[02:22:24] <cradek> never finished it
[02:22:36] <cradek> no, must be a totally different scheme
[02:24:16] <jmkasunich> hmm, he says that there is a bearing in the grille
[02:24:25] <jmkasunich> so its not the usual inside out construction
[02:25:53] <jmkasunich> I bet the center part of that grille (where the logo is) hides a couple permanent magnets
[02:26:18] <cradek> I'm a bit surprised at the low price tag
[02:26:38] <jmkasunich> I'm not really
[02:26:41] <cradek> if it were programmable (include a usb cable and some crappy windows software) I bet it could sell for $49
[02:26:50] <jmkasunich> most fans cost about $1 to make
[02:27:03] <jmkasunich> that would drive the cost up a lot tho
[02:27:12] <cradek> I'm not talking about its worth, I'm saying I think people might pay more for it
[02:27:20] <jmkasunich> usb chip, non-volatile storage, etc
[02:27:30] <cradek> yeah
[02:27:49] <cradek> at90s2313 can do usb and has a bit of non-vol for a $ or two
[02:27:53] <jmkasunich> you can buy widgets that use the same technology to display arbitrary messages
[02:28:21] <jmkasunich> I bet they're paying $0.50 for the chip they're using, maybe less
[02:28:32] <cradek> yeah probably
[02:28:59] <jmkasunich> I remember being at a rock concert a couple years ago, some guy was selling these things that you could swing around your head
[02:29:09] <jmkasunich> handle maybe a foot or two long, 2-3 foot swing arm
[02:29:32] <jmkasunich> so you get a 5-6 foot diameter x 4" high scrolling message
[02:29:42] <cradek> cool
[02:29:45] <cradek> wonder how it syncs
[02:29:52] <jmkasunich> I don't think it did
[02:30:05] <cradek> that's one way to handle it...
[02:30:17] <jmkasunich> actually, I wonder
[02:30:25] <jmkasunich> I know the message wasn't locked in place
[02:30:38] <jmkasunich> but if they didn't do _some_ sync, it would be all over the place on every swing
[02:30:56] <jmkasunich> this was more like a scrolling message, so it was within a least a few inches on each rev
[02:31:12] <cradek> yeah, must do something then
[02:31:20] <jmkasunich> or it operator skill
[02:31:34] <jmkasunich> if its moving one way, spin faster, the other way, spin slower
[02:31:56] <jmkasunich> the LEDs pointed out, but I'm sure they were vislble from the users POV
[02:33:05] <jmkasunich> as it got dark (outdoor show) the message was _very_ visible from 50 feet away
[02:33:59] <cradek> sounds neat and annoying both
[02:34:08] <cradek> a good thing to sell
[02:34:14] <jmkasunich> yeah
[02:34:27] <jmkasunich> the target market definitely wasn't people who want to keep a low profile
[02:34:53] <jmkasunich> actually, I'm not sure if the guy was selling the widgets themselves, or using the widget to advertise some other more normal wares
[02:35:04] <jmkasunich> the more I think about it, the more I suspect the latter
[02:36:41] <jmkasunich> heh, put a smaller one (maybe 12" diameter) on top of a hat
[02:36:48] <jmkasunich> with a little motor to spin it
[02:37:10] <jmkasunich> new take on propellor beanie
[02:40:06] <cradek> wow http://www.woostercollective.com/images/2006/04/banksyphone2.jpg
[02:40:23] <cradek> have you seen this guy's stuff? this is a really neat one.
[02:40:47] <jmkasunich> a really neat something anyway
[02:41:11] <cradek> it's a flat painting
[02:42:04] <jmkasunich> huh?
[02:42:38] <jmkasunich> the entire scene in the jpg is a painting?
[02:42:51] <cradek> no maybe I'm on drugs, I have him confused with someone else
[02:43:04] <cradek> ok it's not so impressive then
[02:43:14] <jmkasunich> or more impressive
[02:43:22] <jmkasunich> it must have taken a while to build that thing
[02:43:33] <cradek> true
[02:44:33] <cradek> http://www.banksy.co.uk/drawing/index.html
[02:44:34] <cradek> ha
[02:45:44] <jmkasunich> did you see the coke ad?
[02:45:45] <cradek> ok bedtime for me I think, goodnight
[02:45:49] <cradek> no
[02:45:51] <jmkasunich> I hate ads, but thats cool
[02:45:58] <jmkasunich> on the wooster front page
[02:46:11] <jmkasunich> scroll down to "nothing is black or white"
[02:48:20] <cradek> wild
[02:50:13] <jmkasunich> goodnight
[02:50:48] <cradek> looks like you can do a lot with enough budget
[02:51:08] <jmkasunich> as tv commercials go, I bet that wasn't even that hard
[02:51:19] <jmkasunich> 100 college students, $50 each
[02:51:34] <jmkasunich> helicopter rental $1000
[02:51:42] <jmkasunich> oops, maybe $5000
[02:51:46] <jmkasunich> total $10,000
[02:52:12] <jmkasunich> I meant "I bet that wasn't even that high" ;-)
[03:07:56] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich sleeps
[07:34:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 'lo
[09:26:31] <alex_joni> hello
[09:26:36] <ValarQ> hallo
[09:26:42] <alex_joni> hello Captain
[09:26:58] <ValarQ> greetings civilian :)
[09:27:19] <alex_joni> how goes it?
[09:27:25] <alex_joni> any new crap?
[09:27:34] <ValarQ> no, i'm afraid not
[09:27:51] <ValarQ> i have been thinking of rewriting some of the crap to use cairo instead
[09:28:06] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oho, question of the day
[09:28:10] <ValarQ> but there doesn't seem to be any accepted canvas library yet
[09:28:16] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: shoot... not me I hope
[09:28:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra> is TP still "borked" IRT many G1's representing a curve or other shape
[09:28:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> erratic accel/decell
[09:28:50] <alex_joni> no, shouldn't be
[09:28:57] <ValarQ> but now (and a couple of weeks forward) i don't have time for coding crap :(
[09:28:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> it was a few months ago
[09:29:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra> it was borked after the 2.0.0 release
[09:29:40] <alex_joni> really?
[09:29:45] <alex_joni> I didn't know that
[09:30:00] <Lerneaen_Hydra> try running a file with lots of short g1
[09:30:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra> prefferably that follow a curve/elipse/similar
[09:30:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> <1mm in length
[09:31:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I have a sample file if you want
[09:40:23] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: that would be great
[09:49:58] <alex_joni> if you could mail them to me..
[09:50:08] <A-L-P-H-A> people are alive!
[09:50:10] <A-L-P-H-A> hi
[09:50:13] <alex_joni> hi alex_joni
[09:50:15] <alex_joni> hi A-L-P-H-A
[09:50:16] <alex_joni> :D
[09:50:32] <A-L-P-H-A> what are you all up to?
[09:50:38] <alex_joni> workin
[09:50:54] <A-L-P-H-A> anyone want to see a nice form I create dynamically?
[09:51:01] <A-L-P-H-A> dynamic pdf generation
[09:51:36] <A-L-P-H-A> only one graphic in there, the logo, everything else is vectors + text (two embedded fonts)
[09:51:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: which mail?
[09:52:10] <alex_joni> alex.joni at robcon. ro
[09:52:30] <A-L-P-H-A> affraid of bots in here?
[09:54:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: got mail?
[09:54:46] <A-L-P-H-A> you got mail.
[09:56:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: there is some other stuff in the ngc but the interesting behavior is in the beginning
[09:56:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> the rest behaves as it should
[09:59:12] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: I think now.. was away a bit
[09:59:21] <alex_joni> got it
[09:59:25] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ok
[09:59:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> good
[09:59:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> could you test to see if you get erratic accel/decel?
[09:59:42] <alex_joni> only at home later
[09:59:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> it should be quite prominent
[09:59:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, right
[09:59:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ok
[09:59:51] <alex_joni> what do you mean by erratic?
[09:59:59] <alex_joni> does it go outside allowed boundaries?
[10:00:04] <alex_joni> max_accel ?
[10:00:14] <alex_joni> or does it slow down once in a while?
[10:00:28] <alex_joni> if the latter then I expect it to do that.. because of the missing lookahead
[10:00:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> no
[10:00:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> more like, hmm
[10:01:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I think I have a video
[10:01:31] <alex_joni> oh.. that's even better
[10:02:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> right
[10:02:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I'll jsut compress it
[10:02:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> xvid/mp3 in avi ok?
[10:04:57] <alex_joni> OK
[10:05:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra> there
[10:05:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ftp://basic:basic@lerneaenhydra.shacknet.nu
[10:05:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra> running a part of that file I sent
[10:05:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> compare the behavior in the first 75% of the file with the last 25%
[10:05:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> the first is short G1's, the second a g2/3
[10:05:54] <alex_joni> not quite connecting
[10:05:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh
[10:06:01] <Lerneaen_Hydra> uh
[10:06:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra>
[10:06:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> as adress instead
[10:11:06] <Lerneaen_Hydra> playable?
[10:13:37] <alex_joni> not quite sure what you mean
[10:13:48] <alex_joni> I was able to watch it though
[10:15:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> you can see that the step between a g1 and the next isn't very smooth
[10:15:50] <alex_joni> what time exactly?
[10:16:15] <alex_joni> did you scope the vels and accels using halscope?
[10:16:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra> time?
[10:16:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> no
[10:16:39] <alex_joni> try that first
[10:16:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I only looked at the raw output
[10:16:47] <alex_joni> and see if it exceeds the max_accel
[10:16:53] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that system is in peices now though
[10:16:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> not very easy to test
[10:17:09] <alex_joni> I don't quite see what you mean
[10:17:31] <alex_joni> there is a bit of something around 00:29, but the signal is too much zoomed out to see
[10:18:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra> huh? that's just slow speed?
[10:18:57] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh
[10:18:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that
[10:19:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hmm, I don't know
[10:19:11] <alex_joni> not sure what else to see there
[10:19:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I was thinking of the sound during the majority of the move
[10:19:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra> do you hear the sound?
[10:20:08] <alex_joni> sounds pretty ok..
[10:20:44] <alex_joni> I see some jitter at the beginning, but that's normal
[10:20:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> you can also see it, but to a lesser extent. when going from one speed to another (the difference not being very large) there is an intermedite speed far outside of the speeds between the two moves
[10:21:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that wasn't very understandable >.<
[10:21:19] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: yes, that's how it works because of the pulse generating
[10:21:35] <alex_joni> you can only generate pulses at certain multiples of BASE_PERIOD
[10:21:43] <alex_joni> so sometimes it will be between two of those
[10:21:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> it's not that that I mean
[10:21:53] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is lost
[10:21:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hmm
[10:22:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> how do I illustrate this
[10:22:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> you have flash player?
[10:22:13] <alex_joni> yes
[10:22:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ok
[10:22:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra gets to work
[10:38:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: there
[10:38:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> check ftp again
[10:38:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> bad TP.swf
[10:40:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra> now things may be more understandable
[10:40:24] <alex_joni> right.. sure seems more understandable
[10:40:35] <alex_joni> but I would like to see the velocity / accel graphs from emc2 first
[10:40:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh ok
[10:40:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra> do you understand what I felt was wrong?
[10:40:58] <alex_joni> first meaning before expressing myself about this :D
[10:41:09] <alex_joni> I can see
[10:41:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra> huh?
[10:41:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ok
[10:41:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> is it supposed to go like that? I can't imagine it should
[10:41:36] <anonimasu> mind if I grab it too?
[10:41:39] <anonimasu> *curious*
[10:41:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra> by all means
[10:41:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> take the AVI too
[10:42:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> bad TP.avi/swf
[10:42:41] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: check the configs/sim/tripodsim.hal for ddt.* stuff
[10:42:55] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: that sets up the speed & accel derivatives
[10:42:57] <alex_joni> for scoping
[10:43:03] <anonimasu> looking at it now
[10:43:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ddt?
[10:43:49] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, hal
[10:43:57] <Lerneaen_Hydra> the PID stuff?
[10:44:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra> shoot1 is... interesting ;)
[10:44:29] <alex_joni> think so?
[10:44:31] <alex_joni> :D
[10:44:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra> seen it?
[10:44:41] <alex_joni> not yet
[10:44:43] <anonimasu> it does look like jitter or something
[10:44:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that and pot can
[10:44:50] <alex_joni> 80%
[10:44:51] <Lerneaen_Hydra> same device
[10:45:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> and temp2
[10:45:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> in pot can the sticks are set up 1m from each other
[10:45:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> and the file is 60fps
[10:45:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> so you can get the speed of it :D
[10:46:23] <alex_joni> whoa :D
[10:46:33] <alex_joni> what's it used for?
[10:46:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> fooling around with ;)
[10:46:55] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/photography/01155034250
[10:46:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra> you have to be very careful though
[10:47:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra looks out window
[10:47:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> seeing that wouldn't be bad
[10:48:03] <alex_joni> seeing what?
[10:48:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra> something like that instead of a rock and an overcast sky
[10:48:32] <alex_joni> heh..
[10:48:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> the strange laugh in temp2 is not mine, fortunately
[10:53:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra poke poke poke
[10:57:57] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh btw, does anyone from borkland know of places to sell/buy CNC parts?
[10:58:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I have an unused compact 5 logic board (from my retrofit) that I have lying around
[11:00:34] <anonimasu> blocket perhaps
[11:00:44] <anonimasu> or tradera
[11:03:01] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hmm ok
[11:03:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> do you know if you can choose all counties instead of just one?
[11:06:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh
[11:06:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> found another site
[11:07:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra> allaanonser.se
[11:07:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra> seems to collate from many site
[11:07:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra> similar to pricerunner
[11:20:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> http://www.blocket.se/vi/8823952.htm?ca=11_s <--- this is the type of mill I'm looking for
[11:20:51] <Lerneaen_Hydra> though cheaper ;)
[11:21:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that one was supposedly new though
[11:30:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what's a reasonable price for a working logic board for a CNC?
[11:30:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra> primitive but working
[11:40:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> where's everyone gone? :(
[11:45:49] <alex_joni> busy ;)
[11:45:58] <alex_joni> what's a logic board for a CNC?
[11:46:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra> uh
[11:46:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> the hardware eqivalent of EMC+PC+parport+keyboard
[11:46:41] <alex_joni> are there any ilogic boards?
[11:46:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra> huh?
[11:50:27] <alex_joni> oh, you mean a controller ?
[11:51:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> uh, yeah :s
[11:52:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra> very primitive though
[11:52:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra> only 90 degree radii, no decimal point (all units in 1/100 mm) and so on
[11:52:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> tape data storage, though you can use a PC to program it
[11:52:51] <Lerneaen_Hydra> probably hobby grade today
[12:09:25] <alex_joni> odd hobba though :D
[12:10:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> indeed
[12:16:40] <alex_joni> hobby..
[12:41:21] <jepler> the sourceforge lists seem nice and responsive again...
[12:47:18] <alex_joni> hi jeff
[12:48:46] <alex_joni> hmm.. I might have a borken circular rail (ball bearing slewing rim - if that makes any sense)
[12:59:49] <jepler> hi alex
[13:00:02] <jepler> borken? talk to Lerneaen_Hydra in that case
[13:00:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> indeed
[13:01:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that seems the best thing to do, with me living in the land of borkborkbork
[13:07:33] <alex_joni> it's broken.. the only thing is it's 1000mm in diameter :)
[13:07:45] <alex_joni> supposed for more than 50kN force
[13:08:09] <alex_joni> part of a 5ton turn/tilt table.. not the easiest thing to unmount
[13:27:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh my
[13:27:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra> heavy?
[13:27:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 5 ton turn tilt?
[13:27:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> nice...
[13:30:41] <alex_joni> unless you need to take it apart
[13:30:44] <alex_joni> that's not that nice
[13:30:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> point taken
[13:32:31] <anonimasu> Lerneaen_Hydra: pricerunner is vendor bought
[13:33:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> anonimasu: yes, that I know
[13:36:50] <anonimasu> :)
[13:53:47] <etla> hi all
[13:55:31] <alex_joni> hi etla
[13:56:55] <etla> so do you really think a separate graphics card could solve my magma problems ?
[13:58:04] <etla> I'm now at work, I could borrow an ATI radeon 7000 series card
[13:59:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra> worth a shot
[14:00:23] <etla> maybe...
[14:00:23] <alex_joni> etla: right
[14:00:36] <alex_joni> but it shouldn't have anything to do with the sound thing
[14:01:24] <etla> ?? you mean I need a separate soundcard also or ?
[14:01:53] <alex_joni> no..
[14:02:10] <alex_joni> I'd just disable it, and maybe prevent linux from loading it anyway
[14:02:34] <etla> there does not seem to be a disable swithc in the BIOS
[14:03:02] <alex_joni> there must be (under embedded peripherals)
[14:04:22] <etla> I can't check now but I tried looking real hard yesterday...
[14:04:25] <alex_joni> or similar
[14:04:29] <etla> maybe I need to update the bios also
[14:04:41] <etla> there were settings for the amount of graphics memory
[14:05:09] <etla> btw. HEAD or AXIS is broken in a funny way...
[14:05:57] <etla> well depending on your definition of fun...
[14:06:29] <jepler> well don't keep us in suspense
[14:07:16] <etla> first, when I press play the axis logo gets milled but in the wrong plane, i.e. I have the white preview lines in the xy plane and the milling is in the yz plane
[14:08:03] <etla> then, when switching between manual and mdi the axes display switches between showing x: y: z: vel: in MDI and 0: 0.000 1:0.000 2:0.000 in manual mode
[14:08:21] <alex_joni> sounds like you have the wrong kins
[14:08:21] <etla> maybe I need a new AXIS from cvs ?
[14:08:26] <jepler> how old is your AXIS?
[14:08:33] <etla> it's from yesterday
[14:08:35] <etla> I think
[14:08:44] <alex_joni> what kins are you running?
[14:08:48] <jepler> are you using nontrivial kinematics?
[14:08:49] <A-L-P-H-A> with sed, how do I run multiple commands at the same time?
[14:09:04] <A-L-P-H-A> sed "s/^192\.168[^\n]*//" "s/\n\n/\n/" access.log > access2.log
[14:09:06] <A-L-P-H-A> won't work.
[14:09:13] <A-L-P-H-A> trying to clean up my apache.log
[14:09:14] <jepler> $ echo "foo bar" | sed -e 's/foo/FOO/; s/bar/BAR/'
[14:09:14] <jepler> FOO BAR
[14:09:19] <etla> I'm running AXIS/sim
[14:09:22] <A-L-P-H-A> oooooooooh.
[14:09:42] <alex_joni> etla: stock config ?
[14:10:11] <A-L-P-H-A> jepler, thanks!
[14:10:13] <etla> yeah, following the instructions I copied the sim and m5i20 dirs to ~/emc2/configs
[14:10:20] <etla> do I need the common files also ?
[14:10:22] <alex_joni> etla: from where?
[14:10:35] <etla> from emc2.head/configs
[14:10:50] <alex_joni> and why did you do that?
[14:11:04] <alex_joni> can't you run the config from emc2.head/configs ?
[14:11:13] <etla> because I want to customize them and not have my changes undone whn I do a cvs update
[14:12:13] <alex_joni> use emc2.head/configs/etla-sim and etla-m5i20
[14:12:19] <alex_joni> that will assure no changes
[14:12:20] <etla> selecting the sim config from emc2.head/configs does not help either. still funni things going on
[14:12:41] <etla> I get your point but I don't think that is the problem right now
[14:12:52] <etla> where can I check with what kinematics HEAD was compiled ?
[14:13:09] <alex_joni> it's not a matter of compiled
[14:13:21] <alex_joni> there's a hal command to load the module (loadrt trivkins)
[14:13:29] <alex_joni> and you should be able to see it with lsmod
[14:13:57] <etla> trivkins is loaded, used by motmod
[14:14:39] <etla> btw, I only did 'make' after my last cvs update, do I need to always do make clean and then make to be sure ?
[14:16:08] <alex_joni> no, but configure --enable-run-in-place wouldn't hurt
[14:16:23] <alex_joni> * alex_joni needs to run home..
[14:16:57] <alex_joni> etla: keep posting stuff in here, I'll read later
[14:17:16] <etla> ok, I'm trying first cofigure and then make now
[14:17:25] <alex_joni> bbl
[14:19:33] <etla> nope, first configure --enable-run-in-place and then make did not help
[14:19:42] <etla> now I'll try first make clean and then make
[14:32:35] <etla> ok, that seems to have helped ! now my axis-sim looks alright again
[14:32:56] <etla> so, with the latest HEAD checkout it was important for me to do first make clean and then make
[14:34:04] <etla> damn. now halmeter does not show any pins for me
[14:34:12] <etla> I see everything with halcmd show
[14:34:22] <etla> but nothing in the halmeter list
[14:34:30] <cradek> you're probably not running the right halmeter
[14:34:33] <cradek> you cannot mix versions
[14:34:50] <etla> right. thanks. that worked
[14:38:58] <etla> what is the logic in motion-spindle-speed-out ?
[14:39:14] <etla> first it's 0.0, then I press spindle forward and it goes to 1.0
[14:39:27] <etla> then I can do +/- to set it where I want it, say 4.0
[14:39:28] <cradek> I think 1rpm is the default speed
[14:39:35] <etla> then I press stop and it goes to 0.0
[14:39:50] <etla> but then when I again press forward I would have assumed it goes back to 4.0
[14:39:57] <etla> it doesn't. it goes to 1.0
[14:40:08] <etla> how about m3 m4 ?
[14:40:14] <etla> let's try
[14:40:19] <cradek> s100 m3
[14:40:52] <etla> yes, the m-words rember the last spindle speed setting. the buttons in AXIS do not
[14:41:23] <cradek> that's an emc issue, not an axis issue (and it might have been on purpose, I don't know)
[14:42:21] <etla> does not seem very logical.
[14:42:38] <etla> would you expect the halui on/off pins to work similarly to the AXIS buttons ?
[14:42:56] <cradek> yes I think so, since it's also like a gui
[14:43:43] <cradek> I always use mdi to turn the spindle on, I can't imagine clicking + 1000 times to get 1000rpm
[14:46:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra> haha
[14:47:28] <etla> anyone know how alex's new spindle speed override is supposed to work
[14:47:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra> similar to FO AFAIK
[14:47:47] <etla> I set the .counts and I see it changing with halmeter
[14:47:54] <etla> but spindle-speed-out does not change
[14:48:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra> although you have a max and min deviation from nominal as a percentage of nominal
[14:48:04] <etla> there must be an enable pin somewhere...
[14:48:23] <cradek> does halui send the nml message?
[14:48:31] <etla> yes I think so
[14:51:29] <etla> the feed-override seems to work in halui!
[14:52:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra> woo!
[14:52:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra> it works for me too
[14:54:32] <etla> L_H: did you try spindle speed override ?
[14:54:48] <etla> the .counts and .scale pins look exactly the same but spindle speed does not work for me
[14:55:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> not spindle speed yet
[14:55:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I don't need that tilll CSS comes
[15:00:30] <etla> ok, so this is for alex who no doubt will be reading the logs later ;)
[15:00:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> is it just me or does the apache license not require you to distribute source with binaries?
[15:00:42] <etla> I start up axis-sim with HALUI=halui in the ini file
[15:01:08] <etla> I have the default halui.spindle-override.scale of 0.1
[15:01:22] <etla> and I link a signal rpm to the halui.spindle-override.counts
[15:01:34] <etla> then I do halcmd sets rpm 10
[15:01:55] <etla> but nothing happens, i.e. the halui.spindle-override.value never gets changed
[15:02:26] <etla> the feed-override pins are very similar, and when I do the same it works fine, i.e. the feed-override.value changes, and AXIS also notices the FO change
[15:03:39] <etla> hmmm maybe the maxSpindleOverride=minSpindleOverride = 1.0 ?
[15:06:41] <etla> I wonder how I set the limits ?
[15:08:18] <etla> ok, now I got it from halui.ini: MIN_SPINDLE_OVERRIDE = 0.6
[15:08:18] <etla> and MAX_SPINDLE_OVERRIDE = 1.2
[15:11:25] <etla> OK! now it works !
[15:11:36] <etla> just need to put those two lines in the ini
[15:12:14] <etla> since this applies to all GUIs that want to use spindle speed override, perhaps those two lines should be added to the default configs ?
[15:12:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> sounds reasonable
[15:15:07] <etla> gotta go, bye.
[15:39:51] <alex_joni> etla: for now only halui regards those limits
[15:40:03] <alex_joni> but tkemc and AXIS? probably will too..
[15:53:27] <Gene> Hi guys
[15:54:00] <Gene> trying to sort out last nights power failure, with outlasted my UPS's by about 10 hours.
[15:54:14] <jepler> are power outages common where you are?
[15:54:36] <Gene> I tried to do a gracefull shutdown, but the magma kernels won't.
[15:54:56] <Gene> common enough that I've invested in ups's all around.
[15:56:06] <Gene> There was power down toward the center of town, so without touring, I'd have to assume some drunk took out a pole, it never tried to recycle after it went off.
[15:56:58] <Gene> So I built a new kernel for this box, 2.6.18-rc4, feels ok so far...
[15:58:50] <Gene> also, when I get that box restored to life, I'd like to ask, from there, some questions re using rsync to make backups, anybody here doing that on dapper from outside?
[17:40:22] <A-L-P-H-A> how do I get SED to search across multiple lines?
[17:44:17] <jepler> I'm not sure, but in your earlier example the use of \n seemed to be to delete empty lines. In that case, '/^$/d' may be what you want instead -- match lines where the end comes right after the beginning, and delete them
[17:44:47] <A-L-P-H-A> I need to learn the modifiers.
[17:44:52] <A-L-P-H-A> jepler, thanks.
[17:45:02] <A-L-P-H-A> but I have a pattern, that spans multiple lines, which I want to replace.
[17:46:12] <jepler> I'm only guessing here from looking at the manpage ("man sed") but 'N' will 'append the next line of input into the pattern space'
[17:47:19] <A-L-P-H-A> thanks, I'll try it.
[17:55:30] <jepler> look at 6.1.1.: http://www.sm.luth.se/~alapaa/file_fetch/unixcdbookshelf/sedawk/ch06_01.htm
[18:01:35] <Jymmm> bah... stinking countersink =(
[18:02:59] <Jymmm> Alright, if I have a machien screw with a head diam of .340", and I'm using a 90 deg Vbit to countersink it, what would be the depth I would need?
[18:03:54] <Jymmm> (I'm assuming the taper of the screw head is 90 deg, but it's actually a lil less that that)
[18:04:49] <Jymmm> * Jymmm nudges jepler trig abilities =)
[18:05:57] <Jymmm> I'd rather know HOW to calculate this
[18:07:32] <jepler> this one is easy
[18:09:18] <jepler> draw a picture of the bit and label the bottom angle as 90 degrees
[18:09:30] <jepler> now divide it in two with a vertical line, so that you have 2 45 degree triangles
[18:10:20] <Jymmm> done
[18:10:56] <jepler> write .340 on the "top" of the triangles
[18:11:19] <jepler> so that makes the top leg of each of the triangles be .340/2 = .170
[18:12:01] <jepler> now, the depth is the other (vertical) leg shared by the two triangles
[18:12:11] <jepler> it's .170 * tan 45 degrees
[18:13:23] <jepler> or maybe .170 / tan 45 degrees, I forget which
[18:13:43] <jepler> it must be /
[18:14:00] <jepler> tangent is the opposite leg divided by the adjacent leg
[18:14:36] <jepler> so .170 inches for a 90 degree Vbit, .294 inches for a 60 degree bit
[18:17:18] <Jymmm> I must be entering this wrong... http://www1.chapman.edu/~jipsen/mathml/asciimathcalculator.html
[18:17:25] <Jymmm> .170/tan(45)
[18:18:02] <jepler> in most computer languages, tan() takes an argument in radians, not degrees
[18:18:35] <jepler> so you'd enter tan(45 * pi / 180) because pi / 180 is the conversion from degrees to radians
[18:19:04] <Jymmm> .170/tan(45 * pi /180)
[18:19:08] <Jymmm> ah
[18:19:23] <Jymmm> If I knew what radinas were it just might help! lol
[18:19:29] <Jymmm> One of these days I learn trig.
[18:19:32] <jepler> radians are just a different system for measuring angles
[18:20:13] <jepler> for a unit circle (radius = 1 inch), an angle of 1 radian is an arc 1 inch long
[18:20:58] <Jymmm> so Actually, if I was to use a 60 deg cutter, it be: (.340/2)/tan((60/2) * pi /180)
[18:21:08] <jepler> there are reasons mathematicians prefer radians, but they're more or less irrelevant to a machinist who wants to work with angles
[18:21:38] <Jymmm> Ye old in/mm thing
[18:21:45] <Jymmm> (in a sense)
[18:21:55] <jepler> yes
[18:22:14] <Gene> Does anyone know when Chris will be back?
[18:25:44] <Gene> Or does anyone know of a routine that can take a 1 bit scanned image, and make truetype out of it, by actually generating the new gliphs if required?
[18:26:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hard disk tracks are really thin!
[18:26:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> <random statement of the day>
[18:26:47] <Gene> I have a hang sign I used to keep in the back window of my old Nissan 4wd, that I'd like to scan and covert into brass for my new Jimmy.
[18:27:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra> make truetype out of it?
[18:27:25] <jepler> Gene: there are programs for turning bitmaps into vectors, but I don't know whether any of them directly output g-code (I doubt it)
[18:27:28] <Gene> yes so I can feed it to truetype-tracer
[18:27:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I think cradek made a rasterimage-to-gcode program
[18:27:48] <Gene> do you recall what je called it
[18:27:51] <jepler> here are two I know of offhand: http://autotrace.sourceforge.net/ http://potrace.sourceforge.net/
[18:27:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> image to gcode
[18:28:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra> it won't be vectory nice though
[18:28:43] <jepler> Software that uses potrace:
[18:28:44] <jepler> * FontForge, by George Williams. An outline font editor that lets you create and edit postscript and truetype fonts, among others. This program can invoke autotrace or potrace for converting bitmaps to vector fonts. It used to be called "PfaEdit". (Added Aug 21, 2003).
[18:28:58] <jepler> maybe you should look into potrace, but I have no personal experience with it so I won't be able to answer any questions.
[18:29:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra> nice! they actually seem to map the curves very nicely
[18:30:55] <Gene> got it bookmarked, thanks. But it outputs .ps. So now I need a .ps to gcode translator
[18:31:18] <Gene> is there such a beastie?
[18:31:45] <alex_joni> you can use TTT with the modified fonts
[18:32:18] <Jymmm> jepler: thank you.
[18:32:36] <jepler> Jymmm: you're welcome. I hope I got the math right...
[18:33:10] <Jymmm> jepler: it looks about right in the calipers
[18:33:14] <Jymmm> s/in/on/
[18:34:09] <Gene> Ok, and autotrace looks pretty good to. Later, I thik the missus has her shoes on :)
[18:34:50] <Jymmm> jepler: One of these days (when I find the time - ye right), Maybe I'll put together a lil page with stuff like this.
[18:39:58] <jepler> I know how it is
[18:40:18] <jepler> but for me, it's the idea I should learn more about being a machinist
[18:42:24] <Jymmm> jepler: Same here, it's just that I don't know trig. I was thinking of jsut trying to measure/guestimate the depth by eye, but I remembered someone said trig is all about angles, and figured out that if I knew the width and the angle, that the depth should be able to be calculated. Even if I dodn't know how to calcualte it.
[18:43:06] <Jymmm> didn't
[18:43:07] <jepler> and you were right
[18:44:25] <Jymmm> Ironically, I could of asked in #math, but when you mention something of a practical nature in there they go huh?!
[18:45:07] <Jymmm> and gawd help me trying to google for the right terms w/o know what exactly I'm looking for trig wise.
[18:47:13] <Jymmm> Heh, I got a title for that page I writeup: "Trig for machinest that were fscking off in school.
[19:07:24] <alex_joni> lol "Note : due to the nature of the way in which all our software takes control of windows, it is strongly recommended that you do not surf the internet while using your machine for CNC work,"
[19:08:06] <Jymmm> alex_joni where did you read that?
[19:08:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra> from mach3?
[19:08:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra> heh, I ran IRC and FTP actively while machining :D
[19:08:33] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Firefox too I think
[19:08:52] <alex_joni> some doze software I'd like not to name :D
[19:09:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra> as my base_period isn't that tight there's cpu left for that too
[19:09:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra> bah. I don't see how you can trust that much moving iron to windows
[19:09:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 'specially not a RT thing
[19:09:54] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: people do some crazy things..
[19:10:03] <alex_joni> I've seen 100k$+ machines running doze
[19:10:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ftp://bdi4emc.ourproject.org/pub/bdi4emc/ <-- is it just me or has paul released the source?
[19:10:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra> EEK!
[19:10:23] <alex_joni> and beeing stopped for days because of viral infestation.. if you can believe it
[19:10:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra> did doze control the RT stuff?
[19:10:55] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: those are cd's with source packages
[19:11:00] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: I think so
[19:11:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> heh, at my school we have a real nice CNC lathe (10kW motor, from 2000 or so, driven tools, toolchanger, the works). Running an unpatched windows 98 *connected to network without a firewall and minimal antivirus*!
[19:12:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra> fortunately though doze only sends the program to a hardware PLC that does RT stuff
[19:12:16] <jepler> Lerneaen_Hydra: That page doesn't load for me. I do know he put an incomplete set of patches on another server, but as usual he has not supplied the debian/ directory contents.
[19:12:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra> one side effect of that being programs can only be 10 000 rows long.
[19:12:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra> which basically negates the use of the C axis, driven tools, and cam
[19:13:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> jepler: it doesn't?
[19:13:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra> it has two ISO's (600mb+200mb) that are supposedly with sourse
[19:13:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> s/sourse/souce
[19:13:57] <Lerneaen_Hydra> File: Change.log 8 KB 8/8/2006 5:12:00 PM
[19:13:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> File: bdi-4.50-src-1.iso 654820 KB 8/5/2006 7:31:00 PM
[19:14:01] <Lerneaen_Hydra> File: bdi-4.50-src-2.iso 238352 KB 8/5/2006 7:34:00 PM
[19:14:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> File: bdi-4.50.iso 634874 KB 8/5/2006 7:25:00 PM
[19:14:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra> File: bdi-4.50.md5 1 KB 8/6/2006 3:30:00 PM
[19:15:25] <jepler> Lerneaen_Hydra: I have not looked inside those iso files. However, I looked in the file http://bdi4emc.ourproject.org/debian/pool/extras/e/emc2/emc2_2.0.1.diff.gz which does not include the changes in the debian/ directory that he must have made in order to build the binary packages
[19:15:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> and here I was hoping that the source would be released. but noooo....
[19:15:58] <Jymmm> who's running BDI ?
[19:16:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra> with EMC stable as easy to install as it is today not many I guess
[19:16:47] <alex_joni> hmm.. paul released 4.50 recently, and says it has emc2 latest release on it..
[19:16:54] <alex_joni> but I can't see 2.0.3 anywhere
[19:16:54] <Jymmm> Lerneaen_Hydra So, you're not running BDI, but you wanted the source to BDI ?
[19:17:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Jymmm: I was just curious as to whether there was still a GPL violation
[19:17:43] <jepler> Lerneaen_Hydra: Until I've been able to build the .deb packages myself, I'll still believe there is a GPL violation.
[19:18:06] <Jymmm> In all honesty, who really cares? Is someone going to bring litigation or soemthing?
[19:19:01] <jepler> Jymmm: It's true that there's nothing "important" in Paul C's changes to emc, so in that sense it's no loss.
[19:20:15] <jepler> Jymmm: but to me it's a matter of principle. Paul should comply with the GPL.
[19:21:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra nods
[19:22:48] <Jymmm> I can understnad that; but is it really worth all the anxiety, frustration, etc in the long run? I doubt Paul would do anything out of malice. iirc he's palying with emc1, you folks are on emc2 - completely different paths if I understnad the fundamentals correctly.
[19:23:02] <Jymmm> in short... pick your battles.
[19:23:45] <alex_joni> Jymmm: I think it's more about the principle
[19:23:59] <Jymmm> again, pick your battles.
[19:23:59] <alex_joni> in fact it was paul who mandated for GPL.. emc1 was and is PD
[19:24:16] <alex_joni> and the version on the BDI is NOT emc1
[19:25:19] <jepler> Jymmm: I don't know if it's malice, but I really do believe Paul makes a deliberate choice to hold back things that the GPL requires him to release.
[19:25:55] <jepler> Jymmm: if he's building the packages in the "normal debian way", a ".diff.gz" file would have been created AUTOMATICALLY that would satisfy the GPL requirements
[19:26:15] <jepler> Jymmm: instead, he created a file in a different format with some of the information removed.
[19:26:24] <Jymmm> Well, I don't claim I know the difference and history of all the flavors. YOu folks have parted ways, cut the ambilical cord is all I'm saying =)
[19:27:00] <Jymmm> jepler Yeah, I've seen the threaded over months on the packaging methods used. I can't comment on that.
[19:27:19] <Jymmm> threads
[19:28:56] <Jymmm> alex_joni: I hate gpl. I'd love it to be PD or BSD personally.
[19:29:13] <Jymmm> $0.02
[19:29:23] <alex_joni> Jymmm: that's your choice..
[19:30:09] <jepler> The merit of GPL vs BSD is irrelevant. emc2 happens to be GPL.
[19:30:22] <Jymmm> and tomorrow it could be BSD
[19:30:38] <Jymmm> it's just a license, and multiple licesne can exist.
[19:31:17] <Jymmm> or be revolked.
[19:31:21] <jepler> No, it can't be BSD tomorrow. Not without the permission of all contributors.
[19:31:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> a BSD to GPL fork is possible though, right?
[19:32:23] <Jymmm> * Jymmm blames Lerneaen_Hydra for everything =)
[19:32:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra> eek
[19:33:52] <Jymmm> jepler: Ah, didn't think of that =)
[19:35:02] <jepler> Jymmm: but if you want a BSD licensed CNC program, you can use the public-domain emc1 as a basis for it.
[19:35:03] <alex_joni> * alex_joni agrees..
[19:35:07] <alex_joni> LH did it
[19:35:10] <jepler> Jymmm: all you need is a cadre of really sharp programmers
[19:35:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: huh?
[19:35:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh
[19:35:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra> uh
[19:35:55] <jepler> /topic It's blame Lerneaen_Hydra day in #emc
[19:36:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> uh oh
[19:36:16] <alex_joni> jepler: don't tempt me :D
[19:36:26] <jepler> alex_joni: tomorrow it can be blame alex_joni day
[19:36:34] <jepler> my day isn't till next thursday
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[19:37:12] <alex_joni> alex_joni has changed the topic to: "It's blame Lerneaen_Hydra for everything day"
[19:37:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra thinks frantically for something else to blame
[19:37:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra finger pointing style
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[19:38:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra> looks like that was a non-issue
[19:38:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra makes a mental note not to prod/poke an OP, particularly alex_joni and Jymmm
[19:39:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ooh
[19:39:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> interesting
[19:39:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> :(
[19:39:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra> and here I was planning to have some fun ;)
[19:40:11] <alex_joni> too slow :D
[19:40:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I'll have to make an alias that does /ban <names>
[19:41:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> IRC sure has strange commands
[19:41:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> /wii for instance
[19:41:47] <alex_joni> what's that?
[19:41:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra> no idea
[19:42:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra> seems to give some info about pople
[19:42:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> similar to whois
[19:42:36] <alex_joni> nice.. it has the idle time in there
[19:42:37] <jepler> 14:54:39 No help for wii
[19:43:17] <jepler> 14:55:16 /WHOIS nick1 nick1 also queries the idle time of the user. This is aliased to /WII by default.
[19:43:20] <jepler> aha
[19:43:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> uh
[19:43:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> /ltr
[19:43:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> doesn't do anything
[19:44:06] <Lerneaen_Hydra> just dissapears when pressing enter
[19:44:10] <Jymmm> Lerneaen_Hydra: Many "commands" are also client specific too
[19:44:29] <Jymmm> ltr == left to right, iirc.
[19:44:39] <Jymmm> try rtl and see what happens
[19:44:49] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hmm, yes I noticed, css in chatzilla shows which skin
[19:44:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ooh
[19:45:00] <Lerneaen_Hydra> scary
[19:45:12] <Jymmm> oh, well chatzilla is something totaly different, ymmv
[19:45:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra> almost like sdrawkcab elgoog
[19:45:25] <Jymmm> lol
[19:45:47] <Jymmm> jsut run /ltr again to get it back to normal
[19:45:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yep
[19:46:30] <Jymmm> theres a lot more than just bans on freenode btw
[19:46:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> /taunt would be nice
[19:47:04] <Jymmm> Lerneaen_Hydra Speak boy, speak. WOOF!
[19:47:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra cries
[19:47:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> err
[19:47:38] <Jymmm> Lerneaen_Hydra hows that for a taunt ?
[19:47:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that was supposed be pressed before I got unsilenced
[19:48:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> the best would be if LILO wrote something insulting about the person in question
[19:48:17] <Jymmm> Yeah, well as alex_joni said... YOU TOO SLOW =)
[19:48:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra> and it got posted to all channels in freenode
[19:48:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> it's not like I had much forewarning ;)
[19:48:43] <Jymmm> nah, walops are icky
[19:49:06] <Jymmm> kinda one of those necessary evils
[19:49:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what more interesting is there?
[19:50:43] <Jymmm> Lerneaen_Hydra Are you SURE you want to know?
[19:51:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what have I got to loose?
[19:51:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> err
[19:51:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> then again
[19:51:50] <Jymmm> Per your request...
[19:52:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> :(
[19:52:22] <Jymmm> wb
[19:52:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra> /ban doesn't need demonstration
[19:52:33] <Lerneaen_Hydra> :D
[19:52:53] <Jymmm> that wasn't a ban. If it was, you would n't have been able to come back in here
[19:52:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> exactly
[19:53:05] <Jymmm> it wasn't a kick either
[19:53:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh?
[19:53:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> does kick give a 5-minute temp-ban?
[19:53:31] <Jymmm> nah
[19:53:41] <anonimasu> no
[19:54:43] <Jymmm> Lerneaen_Hydra http://freenode.net/ click on "how to use the network"
[19:56:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra> +w
[19:56:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hmm, how do I apply.. er.. stuff like that
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[20:14:48] <Jymmm> jepler: the part turned out nicely =)
[20:15:16] <jepler> oh, that you countersunk?
[20:15:18] <jepler> hooray
[20:15:29] <alex_joni> Jymmm: You're the proud owner of some trig knowledge now
[20:15:39] <Jymmm> alex_joni =)
[20:16:04] <Jymmm> Tiny glitch, but I blame that on zeroing Z than anything else.
[20:16:15] <Jymmm> Oh I was at Sears the other day....
[20:17:19] <Jymmm> I saw a drill press they had with a laser pointer. It was mounted on the quill and instead of cross hairs, one beam was horizontal and the other beam was 45 degrees off from that.
[20:18:19] <Jymmm> The way it the laser point was mounted, got me to thinking that I might be able to buy just it and mount to me router.
[20:19:16] <Jymmm> I'm not sure how lasers are used to measure distance, but I was thinking maybe I could use that to create some type of toolsetter. What ya think?
[20:19:36] <alex_joni> if you get the angles right.. it might work :D)
[20:19:47] <robin_sz> I used to have a laser on my router
[20:19:57] <robin_sz> very useful for zeroing the thing on the workpiece
[20:20:03] <Jymmm> Well, when I moved the quill up/down, the laser module moved with it.
[20:20:06] <Lerneaen_Hydra> you mean the lasers shone in a crosshair-esque manner on the billet?
[20:20:20] <Jymmm> Lerneaen_Hydra yeah
[20:20:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra> if they have a spinning/oscilating mirror then it can work
[20:20:36] <Jymmm> robin_sz do you recall how the tool setting took l=place?
[20:20:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra> it'l have to be lined up nicely though
[20:20:44] <robin_sz> mine was just a spot straight down
[20:20:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, simplest of all
[20:21:25] <Jymmm> ok, so maybe if I used a third laser, and where they intersect with be tool zero
[20:21:28] <robin_sz> set to U head, machine knows the offsets, put spot on cortner of wooden thing you are about to route
[20:21:34] <robin_sz> set x0 y0
[20:21:39] <robin_sz> set back to V head
[20:21:42] <robin_sz> done
[20:21:49] <Jymmm> U head ?
[20:22:12] <robin_sz> oh the softoware I used had the optins of 3 heads
[20:22:15] <robin_sz> U V and W
[20:22:31] <Jymmm> ah
[20:22:43] <robin_sz> but you cold do it other ways in EMC no problem
[20:22:56] <robin_sz> or just put the alser say at X-100, Y100
[20:23:01] <Jymmm> I'm listening
[20:23:14] <robin_sz> on the router head plate right, 100mm offset in X and Y
[20:23:29] <robin_sz> then just set the laser pointing at the corner
[20:23:46] <robin_sz> and G91 X-100 Y100
[20:24:02] <robin_sz> or is it G92.1?
[20:24:06] <robin_sz> I forget
[20:24:09] <Jymmm> and how does that set the tool to zero top of material?
[20:24:20] <robin_sz> oh THAT part ...
[20:24:23] <Jymmm> =)
[20:24:47] <robin_sz> I just used it to do X and Y o
[20:25:13] <robin_sz> I used to lower the tool to the top of the workpiece and set that as Z0
[20:25:19] <robin_sz> ideal way of working for signmaking
[20:25:20] <Jymmm> Right now, I use a flashlight on a steep angle and watch the shadow move to the tooltip. pretty darn accurate actually.
[20:26:07] <robin_sz> I had a microswitch on the bed, that measured tool length
[20:26:08] <Jymmm> Right, but lowering the tool to .005, .007 -.002 etc gets annoying
[20:26:23] <robin_sz> so I could swap tools without upsetting things
[20:27:03] <robin_sz> once the block height was set, I coud take the tool out and put a new one in, ask it to re-measure and then carry on
[20:27:42] <Jymmm> EONS ago, I used a microscope connected to a (no shit) TI adding machine. It would measure the thickness of whatever was being focused on.
[20:28:04] <robin_sz> hmmm ... handy?
[20:28:34] <Jymmm> you focused on the substrate, zero it out. refocus on the thickess part, hit a button on the adding machien, and it would calculate the thickness in microns.
[20:29:01] <robin_sz> sounds amusing
[20:29:23] <Jymmm> it was being used on thickfilm microelectronics
[20:30:07] <robin_sz> is that stuff stil lpopular?
[20:30:20] <Jymmm> Sure, DOD =)
[20:30:32] <robin_sz> ive doen bits of it .. but nothing in years
[20:30:58] <robin_sz> prototype it on ultra thin PTFE board, transfer ti to TF and watch it not work anymore
[20:31:26] <Jymmm> these were ceramic substrates
[20:31:32] <robin_sz> yes, i know
[20:32:10] <robin_sz> we had some kit that had ultra thin PTFE based board, that was suppsed to work the same a a TF ceramic
[20:32:24] <robin_sz> the dielectric coeff of ptfe is about 2.2
[20:33:20] <robin_sz> of the ceramics it can be less than that, the idea was you played around on the ptfe and the etching tank, before they did the silly expensive ceramic thing
[20:34:03] <robin_sz> ooh, ebay purchase turned up :)
[20:34:37] <robin_sz> nice 415V 3 phase breaker for the spot welder :)
[20:37:12] <robin_sz> 50A / phase and sloooooow blow
[20:57:28] <alex_joni> robin_sz: wanna check some pics?
[20:58:00] <robin_sz> hot babes?
[20:58:37] <alex_joni> not really :D
[20:59:42] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/
[21:07:27] <robin_sz> nice photos
[21:07:29] <robin_sz> so ..
[21:07:35] <robin_sz> youwne to italy
[21:07:37] <A-L-P-H-A> WTF is wrong with Isreal? http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1839442,00.html
[21:07:40] <robin_sz> to the beach
[21:07:55] <robin_sz> and failed to photgraph babes?
[21:08:04] <alex_joni> robin_sz: no real babes around
[21:08:24] <robin_sz> dang
[21:08:30] <A-L-P-H-A> hey... alex_joni, do most europeans have air conditioning?
[21:08:39] <anonimasu> no
[21:08:53] <A-L-P-H-A> so it's a north american thing? Air Conditioning, that is.
[21:08:55] <anonimasu> most european dosent really need it
[21:09:04] <anonimasu> depends the hotter places have..
[21:09:08] <anonimasu> and well at offices usually
[21:09:10] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, what temps does it get to? in °C.
[21:09:22] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: wrong person to ask
[21:09:23] <anonimasu> about +30c at most for a few days
[21:09:29] <A-L-P-H-A> do you guys get humidity?
[21:09:31] <alex_joni> anonimasu should be happy if it's + there
[21:09:33] <alex_joni> :)
[21:09:33] <robin_sz> A-L-P-H-A, heres the basics on the israel thing. sometime aorund 200 years ago, the arabs and the jews decide they didnt like each other. since then its got worse
[21:09:36] <anonimasu> then it's -40 in the winter
[21:09:49] <robin_sz> s/200/2000/
[21:09:51] <A-L-P-H-A> robin_sz, just 200 years ago?
[21:10:03] <A-L-P-H-A> oh.
[21:10:21] <anonimasu> well if you stuff jews in the middle of 5 arab countries knowing they dont like them what do you expect?
[21:10:23] <A-L-P-H-A> anonimasu, what country again?
[21:10:26] <anonimasu> sweden
[21:10:31] <robin_sz> I predict peace will break out one one side has got rid of the other
[21:10:34] <robin_sz> not before
[21:10:45] <A-L-P-H-A> sweden's cold... it's further north than Toronto.
[21:10:49] <A-L-P-H-A> Toronto is mild.
[21:11:12] <A-L-P-H-A> we get +35°C sometimes... but like maybe a week, and then it's like high 20's + humidity.
[21:11:19] <A-L-P-H-A> the humidity is the killer... :(
[21:11:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra> depending on where you are in sweden it's mild too
[21:11:41] <A-L-P-H-A> is German cold? [no right?]
[21:11:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I don't get more than -10 during the winter
[21:11:59] <A-L-P-H-A> England isn't that cold... I hear just wet.
[21:12:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra> average summer temps of 25 or so, sometimes 30-ish
[21:13:12] <A-L-P-H-A> Lerneaen_Hydra, we in Toronto get down to -20°C, to 35°C max... but feels like -40°C to like +40°C with windchill and humidex.
[21:13:49] <Lerneaen_Hydra> eugh
[21:13:53] <Lerneaen_Hydra> not nice
[21:13:57] <A-L-P-H-A> but those are extreme days.
[21:14:20] <A-L-P-H-A> right now, outside is 13°C
[21:14:23] <A-L-P-H-A> cold today.
[21:14:39] <A-L-P-H-A> and supposed to DROP to fuck'n 4°C tonight???
[21:14:43] <A-L-P-H-A> Google must be lying.
[21:14:48] <A-L-P-H-A> Where's my summer?
[21:16:02] <A-L-P-H-A> where the hell is google getting those numbers?
[21:16:08] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.theweathernetwork.com/weather/cities/can/Pages/CAON0696.htm
[21:18:24] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A where you at?
[21:19:33] <A-L-P-H-A> Pickering, Ontario, Canada.
[21:20:02] <A-L-P-H-A> the city right beside Toronto... I'm 5 minutes drive away from the border of Toronto, and Pickering.
[21:20:22] <A-L-P-H-A> Would you like my mailing address? You can send cash donations to me there...
[21:20:27] <Jymmm> southern northern far northern or marine?
[21:20:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 'night folks
[21:20:40] <A-L-P-H-A> where's marine?
[21:20:45] <Jymmm> nfc
[21:20:49] <Jymmm> g'night Lerneaen_Hydra
[21:21:17] <Jymmm> great lakes adn St Lawrence (Kingston to cornwall
[21:21:37] <Jymmm> or Lake Simcoe & Lake Nipissing, Lake of the Woods, Lake Nipigon and North Channel
[21:21:41] <A-L-P-H-A> http://tinyurl.com/fgzcx
[21:22:07] <Jymmm> * Jymmm never does tinyurl's
[21:22:16] <A-L-P-H-A> okay, then don't.
[21:22:44] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A: http://www.weatheroffice.ec.gc.ca/canada_e.html
[21:34:06] <danex> Should Tkemc display four places past the decimal in metric mode?
[21:59:19] <jepler> well, that's what it does...
[21:59:43] <jepler> in AXIS we chose to switch to 2 decimal places in mm mode
[22:01:47] <jepler> I imagine a patch to make tkemc do the same would be accepted
[22:11:06] <danex> My application does not require a change , just wanted to make sure the display was correct
[22:13:40] <alex_joni> it is "correct" ;)
[22:14:03] <alex_joni> it's designed with inches in mind
[22:15:47] <danex> I just got back to the project today
[22:15:56] <alex_joni> danex: good :)
[22:16:01] <alex_joni> what project is it?
[22:16:07] <alex_joni> _if_ you can tell..
[22:16:38] <danex> The beveling machine, seven axis
[22:16:58] <alex_joni> nice.. add a frappr.com/emc2 pin when you have a chance ;)
[22:17:55] <danex> I plan to add photos when the project is complete
[22:18:52] <alex_joni> great
[22:19:00] <danex> So far my set up is EMC2 (ubuntu) two Motenc Lite Cards with their breakout boards
[22:20:45] <alex_joni> photos would be appreciated :)
[22:20:50] <danex> I am having some problems with the PID, maybe with the drives
[22:20:56] <alex_joni> sure sounds like a nice setup
[22:21:03] <alex_joni> danex: DC?
[22:21:10] <danex> AC
[22:21:16] <alex_joni> nifty
[22:21:19] <alex_joni> :D
[22:21:28] <alex_joni> big motors?
[22:21:42] <danex> I have seen your replys to abram on the list
[22:21:58] <danex> Small motors less than two hp
[22:22:01] <alex_joni> you caught me :D
[22:22:16] <danex> Good replys
[22:22:47] <alex_joni> soo 1-1.5 kW roughly?
[22:22:54] <danex> Have you looked at the KOYO Hand Pendant?
[22:23:06] <alex_joni> no..where?
[22:23:20] <danex> 1 KW and .5
[22:23:48] <Jymmm> http://www.koyoencoder.com/products/phd_estop/phd_estop.asp
[22:24:51] <alex_joni> Jymmm: thx
[22:25:04] <alex_joni> only one problem with that.. small problem ;) RS422 interface
[22:25:05] <Jymmm> alex_joni GIYF
[22:25:30] <alex_joni> Jymmm: I found this: http://www.directencoders.com/shopsite_sc/store/html/ph_phd.html
[22:26:49] <danex> alex_joni that one is fewer position and no e-stop
[22:26:52] <alex_joni> I misread the RS422.. it's not serial, but rather support for a line driver
[22:27:28] <dmessier> hi all... ; )
[22:27:33] <alex_joni> danex: any link for the one you're talking about?
[22:27:35] <alex_joni> hi mess
[22:28:11] <alex_joni> danex: anyways, one like these is trivial to hook to emc2 (given you have enough inputs)
[22:28:29] <dmessier> allo alex
[22:28:42] <danex> the one jymmm put up
[22:29:20] <alex_joni> danex: both should be just as easy to interface
[22:29:33] <alex_joni> dmessier: ca va?
[22:29:34] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Your Google King-Fu skills are no good!
[22:29:50] <Jymmm> Kung-Fu
[22:29:57] <alex_joni> Jymmm: yes it is.. got me the 100$ cheaper version
[22:30:24] <Jymmm> and it's cheaper for a reason
[22:30:34] <danex> From what I have seen, inputs do not seem to be a problem with EMC
[22:30:38] <alex_joni> this is nice too: http://news.thomasnet.com/images/large/490/490751.jpg
[22:30:48] <alex_joni> danex: if you're a parport only user, then they are
[22:31:23] <danex> How many can there be in that condition?
[22:32:00] <dmessier> ca va...comme ci comme ca jai arriver chez nous pour voir ce ci http://toronto.ctv.ca/servlet/an/local/CTVNews/20060804/glider_accident_060804/20060804?hub=TorontoHome
[22:32:34] <alex_joni> danex: if you still want to controll a mill with it, then you'll have 4 or 5 inputs
[22:33:07] <alex_joni> dmessier: oh-oh
[22:33:16] <danex> Can more paraports be added?
[22:33:35] <alex_joni> danex: sure.. probably +4 is realistic
[22:33:44] <alex_joni> I ran with 3 once
[22:34:12] <alex_joni> but you should have plenty IO on the 2 motencs
[22:34:49] <dmessier> Crapeau.... ; (
[22:35:04] <danex> Yes, I have many extra
[22:39:06] <alex_joni> * alex_joni heads to bed..
[22:39:10] <alex_joni> good night all
[22:39:46] <danex> Good Night Alex
[22:40:22] <danex> Good Night All
[22:44:42] <machineitright> CRadek what is the prefered reading for learning the ins and outs of EMC? I am going through the manual that I down loaded from LinuxCNC.
[22:45:27] <alex_joni> machineitright: that's a good start
[22:45:44] <alex_joni> another interesting document is the one about emc2 internals
[22:45:54] <machineitright> Thanks for the advice I can use all I can get.
[22:46:31] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/EMC2_Code_Notes.pdf
[22:46:36] <machineitright> Is emc2 internals the code pdf?
[22:46:45] <alex_joni> and the one about HAL http://www.linuxcnc.org/Hal_Documentation.pdf
[22:46:52] <machineitright> You type faster than me.
[22:46:57] <alex_joni> and it doesn't hurt to read the User Manual
[22:47:08] <alex_joni> machineitright: I spend way too much time in here typing :D
[22:47:35] <machineitright> I have downloaded al of these plus the developers and intergraters handbooks.
[22:48:56] <alex_joni> those might be a bit outdated, but they might still hold some references
[22:49:05] <machineitright> I believe anders found out from one of you where they were.
[22:49:19] <alex_joni> machineitright: also, the code is sometimes better documented than the docs :D
[22:49:36] <alex_joni> on Sourceforge, under Files, emc1 release 1.0.0
[22:50:21] <machineitright> So you download the code to see the docs?
[22:51:22] <machineitright> alex: This like comments in the code?
[22:51:51] <alex_joni> machineitright: right, you can also browse the CVS online here: http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/
[22:52:49] <alex_joni> machineitright: actually I meant this (http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/emc/emc-docs-1.0.0.pdf.tgz?download ) when I said Sourceforge->files->emc1 release 1.0.0
[22:53:08] <alex_joni> but I think you have those (User, integrator & Developer handbooks from 2004)
[22:53:26] <machineitright> I have worked with post processors and when making changes we comment on what we do and then use the ## so the post skips this, same thing I suppose?
[22:54:22] <alex_joni> yes, C files use // and /* ... */ for comments
[22:54:31] <alex_joni> bash scripts and HAL files use # for comments
[22:54:47] <machineitright> The handbooks are from Feb. 2004.
[22:54:58] <alex_joni> right
[22:55:06] <alex_joni> not quite the newest :D
[22:55:13] <machineitright> How outdated?
[22:56:10] <machineitright> alex: What do I need to download in order to view the code?
[22:57:29] <alex_joni> machineitright: you can view it online here http://cvs.linuxcnc.org or download the latest release here : http://prdownloads.sourceforge.net/emc/emc2.0.3.tar.gz?download
[22:57:56] <machineitright> alex: sent the e-mail with the lsmod from my machine.
[22:58:35] <alex_joni> machineitright: yes, got it.. I think madwifi will cure it
[22:58:51] <alex_joni> machineitright: I gota run to bed now.. (2am over here)
[22:59:13] <machineitright> thanks and have a good night!
[22:59:14] <alex_joni> machineitright: if you still have questions, bet there are others that can help
[22:59:46] <alex_joni> night all
[23:55:01] <jmkasunich> hi all
[23:55:22] <Jymmm> yo jmkasunich