#emc | Logs for 2006-07-08

[00:03:16] <SWPadnos> Twingy, that's excellent!
[00:03:51] <SWPadnos> I saw your comment, and thought I was in the brlcad channel ;)
[00:38:52] <Twingy> I am hoping GTK dev community releases a stable 2.9 within the next couple of weeks
[00:39:56] <Twingy> not to mention nvidia releasing AMD64 drivers for FreeBSD
[00:45:11] <VNR> hello from Argentina, i have a technical question
[00:46:14] <Rugludallur> hi, go ahead, im sure someone around here can help :D
[00:47:43] <VNR> i want to use a universal stepper board from pico systems but i still need an analog output of +-10V to control the spindle
[00:49:26] <VNR> i need another board the question is if EMC support 2 boards and what board should i use
[00:50:19] <Twingy> Thank you for contacting NVIDIA Customer Care.
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[00:50:29] <VNR> ill be back in 5 minutes..
[00:50:53] <Rugludallur> VNR: I don't have enough experience with analog signals to help out, someone else here that can help ?
[00:51:17] <fenn> VNR:
[00:51:35] <fenn> you can simply pwm your analog out one of the digital i/o's right?
[00:51:56] <fenn> er, two of them i guess
[00:52:00] <fenn> bah
[00:57:13] <Rugludallur> VNR: I have been interfacing with the MP1000-THC for my THC and I know the guys at CandCNC have a +-10v spindle speed box but it is a bit expensive at $695
[00:57:22] <Rugludallur> VNR: MP1000-SPS http://www.candcnc.com/MP1000ProductsChart.htm
[00:59:56] <Twingy> xylotex has a nice setup for a mere $600
[01:21:31] <VNR> i'm back.. thanks all for the answers
[01:22:24] <Dallur2> Dallur2 is now known as Dallur
[01:23:12] <SWPadnos> VNR, the hal_ppmc driver supports multiple boards (up to 24 boards total)
[01:23:45] <SWPadnos> you can also load the USC driver and some other hardware drivers at the same time
[01:25:05] <VNR> ok.. so i can use this universal stepper board and another card in conjunction.. thats good ;)
[03:53:08] <Jymmm> Twingy: I'd suggest goin with geckos over xylotex if you plan on doing any serious work.
[03:54:02] <Jymmm> If I knew then what I know now, I would have bought geckos instead of xylotex.
[03:54:58] <LawrenceG> Hey Jymmm whats cookin' in California?
[03:55:43] <Jymmm> LawrenceG: Gonna be up till 2pm tomorrow... finish parts, then hitting a show at 4am
[03:56:37] <LawrenceG> a few last minute projects by the sounds of it
[03:57:01] <Jymmm> MY machien fouled up on me a couple times, had to redo parts.
[03:58:12] <LawrenceG> I have had a slow week here.... I have been working on a low end servo amp.... it was kicking my butt for a few days.... it was an oscillator instead of an amp... I think that is tamed now
[03:58:47] <LawrenceG> now its on the the dspic part of it
[04:00:42] <LawrenceG> I am using the PID code from hal so it should be interesting to see how it translates to a micro....
[04:18:15] <Mess> Low all...
[04:18:54] <Mess> this island is gonna KeeP me....
[04:27:15] <fenn> is that a good thing?
[04:33:08] <LawrenceG> mmmm... no lobsters on this side of the country....
[04:35:22] <fenn> too bad python doesn't do keywords..
[04:36:43] <Mess> im shipping 50 lbs back... TOMORROW
[04:36:59] <fenn> can you freeze lobsters?
[04:37:10] <LawrenceG> hey.... I'm glad you found my address :}
[04:37:13] <Mess> cook and keep on ice...
[04:37:53] <Mess> im off to bed... tooo many hrs on this part in 11 days...
[04:38:17] <LawrenceG> take it easy... good night from the west coast
[04:38:33] <fenn> sounds like yer doing something wrnog
[04:38:37] <Mess> 192 hrs sins last saturday..
[04:38:49] <Mess> part from HELL
[04:40:24] <Mess> l8r
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[12:49:24] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/extensions/halmodule.c: compatability define
[13:22:38] <^Eugenics> Have anyone tried to convert a ps (a png) to dxf and got ok result?
[13:23:43] <giacus> hello
[13:24:06] <giacus> ^Eugenics: there are few tools I guess
[13:24:08] <alex_joni> hi giacus
[13:24:10] <giacus> Image to gcode you meant ?
[13:24:10] <^Eugenics> Hello giacus
[13:24:16] <giacus> hi alex
[13:24:35] <giacus> cradek: should have something in his website maybe
[13:24:37] <^Eugenics> no, for the moment image to dxf
[13:24:50] <giacus> a human face ?
[13:25:10] <^Eugenics> I guess too dificult
[13:25:27] <giacus> I tried many, to be honest with poor results..
[13:25:32] <^Eugenics> now I only wnat lines that is snapable in qcad
[13:25:59] <^Eugenics> now I'm trying pstoedit
[13:45:12] <giacus> oh, from bitmap to vectors then
[13:45:55] <^Eugenics> from a ps
[13:46:03] <^Eugenics> to dxf
[13:50:43] <^Eugenics> anyone seen piere?
[13:57:48] <giacus> pier ?
[13:57:57] <giacus> 5 days ago ..
[13:58:04] <giacus> latest seen
[13:58:21] <giacus> last*
[14:03:50] <giacus> strange coincidence
[14:04:37] <giacus> was the 1982 and the Rolling Stones were playng a concert (first time in IT), Italy won the world cup the same day
[14:05:09] <giacus> after 20 and more years, they got back for a concert, and IT is agin on final
[14:05:23] <giacus> same month: july
[14:05:46] <giacus> wonder if it mean something :D
[14:06:17] <alex_joni> yeah, it means they should play more often in italy
[14:06:26] <giacus> btw, great concert, theyre old but always niceee
[14:06:26] <alex_joni> that way italians have a chance for soccer :D
[14:06:37] <^Eugenics> it must mean something... maybe aliens will show up
[14:06:56] <giacus> jagger was singing with the 'azzurra' shirt ..
[14:07:36] <giacus> and maxyscreen around the concert
[14:07:57] <giacus> peoples was watching concert and footbal match at the same time !
[14:09:12] <giacus> I think this was the last concert , they are very* old yet ..
[14:09:28] <giacus> as Bob Dylan too
[14:09:43] <giacus> he comes in this year too
[14:10:14] <giacus> very old rock stars
[14:12:02] <^Eugenics> maybe they will sing in wheelchairs later ;)
[14:13:05] <giacus> I love theyr songs
[14:13:27] <giacus> also like Deep Purple, Pink Floyd, all old generations bands
[14:13:42] <giacus> was a genuine rock
[14:14:26] <giacus> Led zeppelin
[14:15:02] <^Eugenics> Led zeppelin rocks!
[14:15:32] <giacus> Queen was an excellent band too
[14:15:42] <^Eugenics> but paying a 100 euro to go to a stones concert... well I dont know
[14:15:53] <giacus> Freddy Mercury voice is wonderful
[14:16:04] <giacus> was*
[14:16:18] <^Eugenics> yes
[14:16:24] <giacus> ^Eugenics: well i'd pay 100 for theyr concert
[14:16:31] <giacus> one time in the life..
[14:16:38] <^Eugenics> I need to be able to make money!
[14:16:52] <giacus> with CNC ?
[14:17:13] <giacus> you have to join politics business to make lot of money
[14:17:19] <^Eugenics> what ever, then 100 euro is smallar problem than now...
[14:17:20] <giacus> not honestly ..
[14:17:22] <alex_joni> there are nice free concerts once in a while
[14:17:37] <alex_joni> there was paul mccartne playing in rome (when I was there)
[14:17:39] <^Eugenics> not often
[14:17:40] <alex_joni> and Elton John too
[14:17:45] <alex_joni> once in a while ;)
[14:17:47] <giacus> yeah
[14:17:49] <^Eugenics> cool!
[14:17:54] <alex_joni> McCartney I mean ;9
[14:17:56] <alex_joni> ;)
[14:18:02] <alex_joni> darn .. can't type at all today
[14:18:13] <^Eugenics> already drunk ;)
[14:18:24] <alex_joni> been programming for a few hours
[14:18:30] <^Eugenics> :)
[14:18:33] <giacus> yes, the music is in debits with the Beatles yet ..
[14:18:47] <giacus> and will be for a long time I guess
[14:19:04] <alex_joni> juve@ubuntu:~/emc2/src$ ../bin/halcmd show pin halui | wc -l
[14:19:04] <alex_joni> 128
[14:21:32] <giacus> * giacus looks at his 3D scanner table and wonder how to build it ..
[14:22:48] <giacus> too much small steppers, slides and wires here around !
[14:23:29] <giacus> need to clean the desk before going on
[14:23:43] <alex_joni> halui is starting to have a LOT of pins
[14:23:57] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/usr_intf/halui.cc:
[14:23:57] <CIA-8> lots of pins for joint control (homing, is-homed, has-fault, is on (min/max) -
[14:23:57] <CIA-8> (soft/hard) limit), also means for selecting a joint (to minimize the number of
[14:23:57] <CIA-8> external buttons). (halui.pincount += 81) Also changed the exit routine, so that
[14:23:57] <CIA-8> halui now exists gracefully (we don't need to free NML buffers, as we don't own
[14:23:58] <CIA-8> them).
[14:24:45] <alex_joni> the good part is that only a few pins for jogging are left, and it should be done
[14:25:30] <giacus> nice
[14:26:44] <giacus> alex_joni: could be possible to install Head and Testing at the same time using different directory ?
[14:26:50] <alex_joni> sure
[14:26:53] <giacus> same partition
[14:26:59] <giacus> nice
[14:27:05] <alex_joni> but not from deb packages
[14:27:08] <giacus> I've to check the CVS then
[14:27:13] <alex_joni> you need to have the CVS version
[14:27:14] <giacus> no, from source
[14:27:20] <giacus> yeah
[14:27:25] <alex_joni> right, and to configure --enable-run-in-place
[14:27:41] <alex_joni> that way emc runs only inside the directory you put it into
[14:27:41] <giacus> K
[14:27:52] <alex_joni> so basicly you can have unlimited numbers of emc's around :D
[14:27:57] <alex_joni> I have about 5 or 6
[14:28:03] <giacus> that's is coool :)
[14:29:51] <alex_joni> giacus: seen my latest pictures?
[14:30:06] <giacus> not yet.. url ?
[14:30:09] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/photography/01152273021
[14:31:04] <giacus> wow
[14:31:44] <giacus> nice collection :)
[14:34:05] <alex_joni> yeah, those were very nice flowers
[14:34:08] <anonimasu> hello
[14:34:17] <alex_joni> hi anders
[14:34:25] <anonimasu> what's up?
[14:34:29] <alex_joni> giacus: too bad I didn't have much time, I would have shot lots more
[14:34:32] <alex_joni> anonimasu: not much :D
[14:34:38] <anonimasu> ok
[14:36:41] <giacus> alex_joni: nice, what the robot was for ?
[14:36:48] <giacus> hi anonimasu
[14:36:55] <alex_joni> giacus: welding ;)
[14:38:12] <giacus> good
[14:38:25] <alex_joni> giacus: as usual :D
[14:38:28] <alex_joni> but 8 axes this time
[14:51:33] <alex_joni> * alex_joni needs some C8H10N4O2
[14:55:22] <anonimasu> lol
[14:55:42] <anonimasu> me too
[15:00:32] <Rugludallur> Hey, I just got a mail from the guy behind the classicladder project, you might want to read the forum thread he mailed me about -> http://membres.lycos.fr/mavati/classicladder/
[15:01:15] <Rugludallur> http://sourceforge.net/forum/forum.php?thread_id=1529217&forum_id=88266
[15:02:05] <Rugludallur> Rugludallur is now known as Dallur
[15:02:45] <Dallur> It sounds like Marc wants to be more involed with Classicladder in EMC2
[15:12:00] <alex_joni> Dallur: I emailed Marc a while ago, saying that we'll use classicladder in emc2
[15:12:03] <alex_joni> maybe he forgot
[15:12:29] <Dallur> alex_joni: might be, I am sending him an email now and telling him I am sure we would love to have him more deeply involved
[15:12:46] <alex_joni> and if you read the README.txt inside classicladder, it's all there
[15:12:48] <alex_joni> http://cvs.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/cvsweb.cgi/emc2/src/hal/classicladder/README.txt?rev=1.2;content-type=text%2Fplain
[15:13:47] <Dallur> alex_joni: Yup, I think he might just be excited by the fact that someone is using classicladder to control something big in the real world :D
[15:14:23] <alex_joni> I really would not want him to think we don't appreciate his work
[15:14:36] <alex_joni> or want to hide from our users that he did the initial work
[15:15:15] <Dallur> alex_joni: Yup, hmm is there a link from the linuxcnc.org links page to classicladder ....
[15:16:26] <Dallur> alex_joni: I don't know what you think but I think that might make him happy :D
[15:16:39] <alex_joni> Dallur: yeah, I tried to put all relevant links whenever I had a chance
[15:16:51] <alex_joni> I see the wiki doesn't mention his site, but I'm working on it right now
[15:17:13] <Dallur> alex_joni: I will edit my THC wiki page and put a link to his site to
[15:19:09] <alex_joni> cool, I'll respond to his thread
[15:19:19] <alex_joni> thanks for pointing it out
[15:19:23] <Dallur> alex_joni: I will also send him an email
[15:20:03] <Dallur> alex_joni: I think it would be really good if he wants to get involved and I think it might be a drive for him that someone is actually using his work for real life implementatinos
[15:20:08] <Dallur> err implementations
[15:23:22] <alex_joni> hmm.. seems I did talk to him back in 2005 January
[15:23:27] <alex_joni> maybe he can't remember ;)
[15:24:04] <Dallur> :D
[15:33:07] <alex_joni> http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=3813069
[15:35:48] <alex_joni> hmm.. I see he started working on it again
[15:35:58] <alex_joni> the project had been idle for almost a year before
[15:36:06] <alex_joni> I had no idea he went back to work on it
[15:36:42] <Dallur> alex_joni: Yup, I think I pretty much convinced him to add float support and configurable timers as his top priority :D
[15:37:25] <Dallur> alex_joni: which would be great, hopefully I can migrate the changes from his code tree to the one in EMC and we will have configurable timers
[15:38:07] <alex_joni> Dallur: for any questions peteg is your man
[15:38:15] <alex_joni> PeteV .. sorry ;)
[15:38:32] <Dallur> ahh I heard his name before, he is the one that did the original integration correct ?
[15:38:33] <alex_joni> Peter G. Vavaroutsos
[15:38:36] <alex_joni> right
[15:38:46] <alex_joni> I did one before, but that was one lame attempt ;)
[15:38:53] <alex_joni> he did the proper things :)
[15:39:12] <Dallur> to me classicladder and emc2 are a match made in heaven
[15:39:23] <Dallur> they really do complement each other
[15:39:53] <alex_joni> Dallur: maybe you'll find halui usefull too (for hardware panels)
[15:40:09] <Dallur> alex_joni: already using it
[15:40:18] <alex_joni> cool, I added a few more pins today
[15:40:25] <Dallur> alex_joni: http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Torch_Height_Control
[15:40:37] <alex_joni> Dallur: cool
[15:41:28] <Dallur> alex_joni: halui actually gave me one of the best features I have seen for plasma, I now pause program execution for users to verify pierce height before the arc is struck
[15:41:40] <alex_joni> I see you use halvcp
[15:41:58] <Dallur> alex_joni: yup, and halui and classicladder and huge number of blocks :Þ
[15:42:06] <alex_joni> nice stuff
[15:42:18] <alex_joni> well.. I added about 80 more pins to halui today
[15:42:33] <alex_joni> mostly for controlling joints (homing, and watching errors, and limits, etc)
[15:42:34] <Dallur> alex_joni: hmm I need to check,
[15:43:01] <alex_joni> Dallur: let me know if you think there is still something missing from halui
[15:43:02] <Dallur> alex_joni: ahh I really need to check that out, I had to manually do the "inverse homing"
[15:43:07] <alex_joni> except jogging..
[15:43:21] <alex_joni> I know I have to add that :D
[15:43:52] <Dallur> alex_joni: will do, I will probably not get around to do it untill next week but,, since I took a month off to work on open source projects I have all the time in the world
[15:44:04] <alex_joni> heh, that sounds like a dream
[15:44:06] <alex_joni> :D
[15:44:47] <Dallur> alex_joni: I took 1 month to work on open source projects and 1 month to work on boat, so now I just have to finish a full plasma implementation before I start to cut everything for my b oat
[15:44:52] <Dallur> s/oat/boat/g
[15:49:17] <^Eugenics> Hello Dallur.
[15:49:29] <Dallur> Hey chinamill/eugenics
[15:49:47] <^Eugenics> Are you gonna use a mig to join the steel plates?
[15:50:11] <Dallur> yup,
[15:50:29] <^Eugenics> you allready have a mig beast?
[15:50:34] <Dallur> I got a 320A mig here
[15:50:44] <^Eugenics> tjoho!
[15:50:46] <Dallur> but for the stainless I will use the TIG or stick
[15:50:50] <^Eugenics> great!
[15:50:54] <^Eugenics> ok
[15:50:55] <Dallur> (I also have a 450A AC/DC tig)
[15:51:51] <^Eugenics> then you will have a fast welding period.
[15:52:14] <^Eugenics> did you got the machinary used?
[15:52:19] <Dallur> Eugenics: I think so, plus the guy I am building the boat with is the best welder I have ever seen
[15:52:35] <Dallur> Eugenics: yup, everything is second hand, and most was bought defect or broken and fixed
[15:52:36] <^Eugenics> :) You are lucky
[15:53:06] <Dallur> Next time I think I will build out of aluminum (aluminium)
[15:53:59] <^Eugenics> why not now?
[15:54:29] <Dallur> I already have all the materials and the design is for steel
[15:54:38] <^Eugenics> ok
[16:05:39] <giacus> Dallur: a boat using steel ?
[16:05:50] <giacus> a submarine ?
[16:05:59] <alex_joni> giacus: wooden boats are kinda oldschool ;)
[16:06:06] <alex_joni> all modern ships are made out of steel :D
[16:06:11] <alex_joni> airplanes too
[16:06:18] <Dallur> giacus: yes using steel
[16:06:28] <Dallur> giacus: nope, just a sailboat
[16:06:30] <giacus> weight ?
[16:06:41] <Dallur> alex_joni: well steel+aluminium+titanium
[16:06:43] <giacus> I have a small boat
[16:06:53] <giacus> 4.70 meters
[16:07:01] <giacus> aluminium, 48 kg
[16:07:10] <Dallur> giacus :D great, sail, paddle or motor
[16:07:25] <alex_joni> motor, if that fails sail, if that fails -> paddle ;)
[16:07:39] <giacus> I use 4 HP Suzuky motor
[16:07:53] <giacus> it doe not require insurance here ..
[16:07:58] <giacus> its cheap
[16:08:20] <Dallur> giacus: same here, anything under 6 (19')m does not require insurance
[16:08:29] <giacus> no special requirements until 800 meters from the coast too
[16:08:33] <Dallur> (6m/19')
[16:08:39] <giacus> nice
[16:08:43] <Dallur> giacus: so you use it on saltwater '
[16:09:09] <giacus> it would be a boat for lake in origin
[16:09:19] <giacus> but its quite nice for sea too
[16:09:48] <Dallur> giacus: where about do you live (if you don't mind me asking)
[16:11:51] <^Eugenics> Here's a link to an app that is great (and OS) for modelling boats (and get cutting patterns) http://www.freeship.org/
[16:12:16] <giacus> http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=38.223347,16.272125&spn=0.09993,0.159988&t=k&om=1
[16:12:28] <Dallur> Eugenics: Yes, I remembered you mentioned it before, so I downloaded it and took a good look, it looks great
[16:12:34] <Dallur> giacus: http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=64.196348,-21.695477&spn=0.003288,0.010064&t=k&om=1
[16:12:50] <^Eugenics> it has a pretty good tutorial too
[16:13:25] <giacus> nice
[16:13:31] <Dallur> giacus: italy nice :D
[16:14:11] <Dallur> giacus: I have only been to Italy once, and I was only there for 3 hours, and that was in Trieste
[16:15:23] <alex_joni> heh, close to slovenia iirc
[16:15:28] <alex_joni> and croatia ;)
[16:16:04] <Dallur> alex_joni: yes, I was actually in slovenia then, and we discovered that they did not sell beer on sundays ,, so we drove over to Italy to buy beers :D
[16:16:38] <giacus> haha
[16:17:05] <giacus> strange, they do not sell beer on sundays..
[16:17:15] <Dallur> alex_joni are you still in that area, you were in Bulgaria before If I remember correctly
[16:18:17] <Dallur> giacus: it was the sunday before 1. May, that might have been the reason
[16:19:13] <alex_joni> Dallur: romania
[16:19:31] <alex_joni> but I drove through trieste last summer
[16:19:39] <alex_joni> was in croatia on vacation, then in italy
[16:20:29] <giacus> that's a nice place to visit
[16:21:00] <giacus> but for fun, the boys prefer Viareggio, Rimini, Riccione, Jesolo
[16:21:16] <giacus> who like to dance all night ..
[16:21:32] <giacus> sea, sun and lot of fun
[16:21:58] <alex_joni> I can't wait to see how siracusa will be next week :)
[16:22:01] <giacus> btw, its not what I like
[16:22:26] <alex_joni> actually on the 18th
[16:22:29] <giacus> alex_joni: neat sea there around
[16:22:37] <alex_joni> giacus: hope so ;)
[16:23:58] <Dallur> it would be great to hire a sailboat and go island hopping for a month or two,,,, , dsdld but then again better to finish the boat and go island hopping for years
[16:25:40] <^Eugenics> :)
[16:26:11] <giacus> alex_joni: they have very different beach than here
[16:26:15] <Dallur> Hmm I should probably map out everyone involved in the EMC project and plot the fastest route to visit everyone :D
[16:26:15] <^Eugenics> Dallur: If you pas Nice I'll give a tour ;)
[16:26:42] <giacus> once you enterd in the water you can walk for 100 mt there
[16:26:50] <giacus> and touch
[16:27:12] <giacus> here not, after few meters the level is 2-3 meters depth
[16:27:24] <Dallur> Eugenics: I'm sure I will, I also need to go to Nice because of work sometimes, I might ping you if I am around
[16:28:39] <alex_joni> Dallur: check out frappr
[16:28:44] <alex_joni> www.frappr.com/emc2
[16:28:58] <Dallur> ahh well I need to go dress for a dinner party (time to wear my "I hate ties" tie)
[16:30:01] <Dallur> alex_joni: I will spend alot of time in Europe, North America and Australia it seems
[16:30:17] <^Eugenics> Dallur: Do that!
[16:30:32] <Dallur> It's wierd though, there is not one person in Asia or South America :(
[16:30:45] <alex_joni> not on that map
[16:30:51] <alex_joni> probably loads of users though
[16:31:12] <Dallur> alex_joni: yes, I would imagine there are a couple of machines shipping out of china with EMC
[16:43:06] <giacus> wanna know if you're taking too much sun on the beach ?
[16:43:18] <giacus> now you can http://www.repubblica.it/2006/07/sezioni/scienza_e_tecnologia/bikini-uv-meter/bikini-uv-meter/bikini-uv-meter.html
[16:43:29] <giacus> just for $ 190
[16:43:31] <giacus> O_O
[16:44:24] <^Eugenics> essensial!
[16:44:31] <giacus> :D
[16:45:40] <giacus> good business, the womans are ready to spend lot of money for theyr beautiful
[16:47:26] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes out to ride his bike for a while
[18:09:33] <alex_joni> back
[18:26:44] <giacus> * giacus is ready for Germany-Portugal
[18:26:55] <giacus> hope in a nice football show :P
[20:27:40] <robin_sz> ick fussball
[20:31:13] <alex_joni> wo?
[20:43:17] <giacus> 3th place for Germany
[20:43:55] <giacus> I think the true final was Italy-Germany not the match they will play tomorrow ..
[20:45:36] <giacus> btw..
[20:45:49] <giacus> * giacus start the countdown :D
[20:53:15] <robin_sz> * robin_sz stops caring about football
[20:53:27] <robin_sz> actually, no .. I never cared in the first place
[20:54:22] <giacus> right now the French is favorited
[20:54:50] <giacus> but the 2th place or first was right for the Germany team
[20:55:08] <giacus> they played a good game
[20:55:22] <giacus> I think better than French
[20:55:48] <robin_sz> 2nd not 2th by the way
[20:55:49] <giacus> but its my personal point of view
[20:56:01] <robin_sz> short for "second" 2nd
[20:56:08] <giacus> oh ok
[20:56:12] <robin_sz> :)
[20:56:21] <giacus> :/
[20:56:24] <giacus> hehe
[20:56:30] <robin_sz> 1,2, and 3 are different
[20:56:38] <giacus> right
[20:56:43] <robin_sz> 1 is 1st .. for "first"
[20:56:54] <robin_sz> and 3 is 3rd for "third"
[20:56:56] <giacus> sorry..
[20:57:05] <robin_sz> no, no need, your english is good
[20:57:24] <giacus> I think is very bad
[20:57:37] <robin_sz> I just pass this on so maybe you rememebr, it would be rude if I did not help, no?
[20:57:38] <giacus> just because i'm playng with it too many years ..
[20:57:55] <giacus> I would be perfect ! but it isnt
[20:58:06] <robin_sz> your english is better than my Italian :)
[20:58:12] <giacus> that mean I'm not so clever to learn
[20:58:18] <robin_sz> the englishare very bad at learning languages!!
[20:58:26] <giacus> bah.. that's ok
[20:58:38] <robin_sz> you know why we are so bad?
[20:58:51] <giacus> you can speak italian only in 1 country
[20:59:00] <giacus> not so useful
[20:59:12] <robin_sz> not any other country?
[20:59:24] <giacus> instead, I started hearding ebglish songs when I was 12
[20:59:37] <robin_sz> we are so bad because we do not learn ANY grammar in school
[20:59:38] <giacus> robin_sz: I think only in IT
[20:59:45] <robin_sz> no grammar at all!
[20:59:47] <giacus> spanish instead is better
[20:59:50] <robin_sz> can you imagine?
[21:00:05] <giacus> used also in center america I guess
[21:00:16] <robin_sz> so, we don't really know how our own language is put together, so it is impossible for us to learn another
[21:00:26] <giacus> well, english is dinamic
[21:00:33] <giacus> very dinamic
[21:00:38] <robin_sz> shrug
[21:00:45] <giacus> I like it
[21:01:04] <robin_sz> most people do not know how to decline a verb in english .. or even what a verb is!!
[21:01:17] <giacus> to mean the same thing in IT you have to use much more words than english
[21:01:39] <giacus> I have a big difficult with verbs, infact
[21:03:20] <giacus> to fork:
[21:03:34] <giacus> in italian is: usare la forchetta
[21:03:49] <giacus> to get an idea..
[21:04:58] <giacus> 10 chars more to mean exactly the same thing
[21:05:12] <giacus> and it happen for 90%
[21:05:28] <alex_joni> what's to fork?
[21:05:38] <alex_joni> I think you mean "use a fork"
[21:05:41] <alex_joni> as in eat?
[21:05:49] <giacus> yeah
[21:05:58] <alex_joni> you can't use "to fork"
[21:06:06] <alex_joni> it's also "use a fork" just like in italian
[21:06:22] <giacus> yeah, it was an example
[21:06:41] <giacus> how italian is more complex and not so useful
[21:06:48] <giacus> for what I know
[21:09:11] <giacus> however, it dictionary is inherithing many terms from english
[21:09:36] <giacus> to say OK, we have to say 'va bene' ..
[21:09:50] <giacus> VIP (very important person), and so on
[21:09:56] <alex_joni> yeah, but you also have OK ;)
[21:10:00] <alex_joni> okeee
[21:10:01] <alex_joni> :D
[21:10:11] <giacus> yeah
[21:10:47] <giacus> since 1945 I think ..
[21:12:35] <giacus> on the computers that is true for all
[21:12:59] <giacus> e.g the boys are using terms as 'browser'
[21:13:15] <giacus> and there are not equivalent it terms for that
[21:13:33] <giacus> and so on for lot of terms
[21:16:16] <giacus> browser, files, directory, mouse, etc.. are used in english everywhere
[21:16:23] <robin_sz> not so
[21:16:32] <giacus> at least here
[21:16:45] <robin_sz> france uses french words
[21:16:54] <giacus> for the 'mouse' ?
[21:16:57] <robin_sz> sourris
[21:17:17] <giacus> curious
[21:17:22] <giacus> not here..
[21:17:32] <robin_sz> anyway ...
[21:18:41] <giacus> funny
[21:18:47] <robin_sz> ooh, I just spotted a couple of domain names to go and cybersquat :)
[21:18:53] <giacus> I've few cousins living in north italy
[21:19:10] <giacus> near the french, but in italy (valle d'aosta)
[21:19:17] <giacus> near the mont blanc
[21:19:37] <giacus> they speak 50% italian and 50% french
[21:19:45] <giacus> weird
[21:20:50] <giacus> robin_sz: oh, in the swiss you could find someone speaking italian maybe
[21:21:04] <giacus> and in few other places
[21:22:09] <robin_sz> true, southern .ch, zermatt they speak .it
[21:25:00] <giacus> yes, I'm happy to know we exported something of good other than mafia only all around the world :)
[21:25:39] <alex_joni> giacus: don't forget pizza
[21:25:40] <alex_joni> and pasta
[21:25:52] <giacus> many scientists are working all over the world and that's good
[21:25:57] <giacus> alex_joni: hehe yeah
[21:26:38] <alex_joni> and parmeggiano ;)
[21:26:40] <alex_joni> and ...
[21:26:41] <giacus> also a bit of space station have something of it technology
[21:26:58] <alex_joni> yeah, I heard they have a wooden hammer up there
[21:27:00] <giacus> I was thinking that yestarday.. about the shuttle
[21:27:00] <alex_joni> LOL
[21:27:05] <giacus> haha
[21:30:52] <alex_joni> hello Martin
[21:30:56] <alex_joni> long time no see ;)
[21:31:00] <Imperator_> Hi alex
[21:31:25] <Imperator_> Yes, i'm bussy at the moment
[21:31:33] <alex_joni> I guess ;)
[21:31:42] <Imperator_> :-)
[21:31:53] <Imperator_> whats up here ?
[21:32:03] <alex_joni> emc2's doing great
[21:32:07] <alex_joni> things are progressing
[21:32:13] <Imperator_> i see
[21:32:41] <Imperator_> tody our siemens controller made his first moves
[21:33:11] <alex_joni> coo
[21:33:26] <Imperator_> i hope to have more time for EMC, but not the next month :-(
[21:35:15] <Imperator_> it's cool, we bought about 50 peaces for that controller at ebay and except of one part everything is working !!
[21:35:54] <alex_joni> nice for you
[21:37:59] <Imperator_> whats going on in romania ?
[21:39:41] <alex_joni> not much ;)
[21:40:06] <Imperator_> hm, so much ;-)
[21:40:16] <alex_joni> Imperator_: http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/photography/01152273021 <- latest pics ;)
[21:40:47] <Imperator_> ah the 350D is still working :-)
[21:42:42] <Imperator_> you use the kit lens, rigth ?
[21:43:16] <alex_joni> and a 75-300
[21:44:20] <Imperator_> at wide angle it makes everything a bit round
[21:44:26] <Imperator_> nice pictures
[21:45:05] <Imperator_> i was in Corfu (greek) two weeks ago and had a lot of fun with my Canon Pro1
[21:45:26] <Imperator_> and a nice grl
[21:45:30] <Imperator_> girl
[21:45:42] <alex_joni> cool.. I was in athens
[21:45:50] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/photography/01151248639
[21:45:51] <Imperator_> :-)
[21:48:13] <Imperator_> good pictures !
[21:48:19] <Imperator_> is that your father ?
[21:49:04] <alex_joni> this one: http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi-files/photography/01151248639/IMG_4673.JPG
[21:50:02] <Imperator_> jep
[21:51:35] <Imperator_> i like it to play with sharpnes and blur
[21:52:12] <Imperator_> but that is a bit hard to do with my Pro1 !! A DSLR is much better
[21:55:34] <Imperator_> cool, the autocorso here is still going on :-)
[22:08:53] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10axis/extensions/emcmodule.cc: make the backplot match the preview when using g43 (tool offsets).
[22:22:41] <giacus> doh.. a ticket for the final IT-FR reached the cost of E. 5k
[22:24:56] <giacus> another funny thing:
[22:26:18] <giacus> an italian company starts selling about 80k plasma tv color and sayd: if IT win the world cup you'll get the money back (that was the spot)
[22:26:42] <giacus> if it win they have to give about 10 million of euro back haha
[22:26:47] <giacus> to costumers
[22:27:13] <jmkasunich> wow
[22:27:17] <giacus> lol
[22:27:40] <jmkasunich> maybe they bet 10 million euro on italy to win before the cup started
[22:27:44] <giacus> I didint buy it sigh ..
[22:28:08] <jmkasunich> what were the odds for italy at the beginning?
[22:28:12] <giacus> jmkasunich: yeah, of course, before to start
[22:28:48] <giacus> jmkasunich: nobody was sure that IT was a good team
[22:29:01] <jmkasunich> if 10:1 against, the could bet 1 million euro... if italy loses, they lose 1 million, but have money from selling TVs... if italy wins, they pay the customers with the bet winnings
[22:29:03] <giacus> also for what happen lately
[22:34:14] <giacus> yes, the cost of the TV was E. 1.650,00
[22:34:37] <giacus> costumers will get it back only if it win
[22:34:49] <Imperator_> companys making such offers finance that normaly with a insurance !
[22:34:55] <giacus> http://www.dynamick.it/televisori-in-regalo-solo-se-litalia-vince-i-mondiali-468.html
[22:35:09] <giacus> of course is closed now :(
[22:35:12] <Imperator_> its like the million $ shows !!
[22:35:45] <giacus> Imperator_: they sayd, btw the got it good
[22:35:54] <giacus> that are not money back
[22:36:08] <giacus> but tickets to buy something in theyr shop ..
[22:36:16] <jmkasunich> heh
[22:36:25] <Imperator_> hm
[22:36:25] <giacus> for the equivalent value they spent
[22:36:32] <giacus> hehe
[22:36:37] <jmkasunich> not quite the same as cash ;-/
[22:36:40] <giacus> business is business..
[22:37:01] <giacus> they could bout anything of the same value
[22:37:14] <giacus> E. 1.650 are not few
[22:38:21] <giacus> http://www.mediaworld.it/home.html
[22:43:30] <giacus> the players who win the final match will get E. 250K each ..
[22:44:32] <giacus> just as bnus, from FIFA
[22:44:36] <giacus> bonus*
[22:44:48] <giacus> thats business :(
[22:45:32] <giacus> hello dmessier !!
[22:45:36] <dmessier> IM HOME>>>>
[22:45:41] <giacus> :DD
[22:45:49] <dmessier> thank GOD...
[22:45:57] <giacus> what's up ?
[22:45:57] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/extensions/halmodule.c:
[22:45:57] <CIA-8> use a union for different pin types, cut down on casting
[22:45:57] <CIA-8> fix a NULL pointer dereference when setting a pin that didn't exist
[22:46:15] <dmessier> these parts are gonna forever haunt me...
[22:46:45] <dmessier> i have xtra grey hair
[22:46:49] <K4ts> dmessier bonnesoir
[22:47:07] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/scripts/haltest.py: use several different pin types to show they work
[22:47:11] <dmessier> boon soir la belle
[22:47:27] <giacus> boon soir my friend heh
[22:47:53] <K4ts> demain match France- Italy w l Italy
[22:48:07] <dmessier> imagine a 3 layered tununig fork tha strike a D minor-flat///
[22:48:21] <giacus> dmessier: ready for the Big Fight ?
[22:48:59] <giacus> http://www.corriere.it/gallerie/2006/07_Luglio/08/sand.shtml
[22:49:04] <dmessier> just a match may the best men win..
[22:49:05] <giacus> here are the lions :D
[22:49:28] <giacus> yeah.. zidane is fantastic lately
[22:49:45] <giacus> just hope someone will break him
[22:50:08] <giacus> and got no rain during the match :(
[22:50:57] <dmessier> on the last tuesday of june they said 5 weeks... then i showed up.... and 11 days later i brought finished parts home to ontario for final processing
[22:51:38] <giacus> too much late ?
[22:52:13] <dmessier> aircraft on assembly line with no nose landing gear..
[22:53:24] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/extensions/halmodule.c: remove debugging statement
[22:53:41] <dmessier> i was called by Bombardier REPresentative to give ok for anything and everything to accomplish the mission..
[22:56:22] <K4ts> http://www.pianeta.com/map/viewer_all.php?foto=12753_ae0b9f7e8be6bf91740cb2052f6ebb99&pin=4c8b437d6b8aa787c330f12fc211b2d1
[22:56:33] <robin_sz> mmm ... aerospace work :)
[22:57:17] <robin_sz> I hope the Italians win ...
[22:57:21] <giacus> dmessier: you need good partners in the work :)
[22:57:28] <dmessier> dash 8 nose gear
[22:57:37] <robin_sz> it would be nice for them to wine SOMETHING at last! ;)
[22:58:02] <robin_sz> dmessier, nice, and profitable too!
[22:58:19] <dmessier> i find them along the way... and EVERYONE learns someting before i leave... ; )
[22:58:44] <giacus> but, really I think the summer isnt a good time for works
[22:58:45] <dmessier> quite.. 92 hrs this week
[22:58:50] <giacus> maybe that's the reason
[22:58:51] <dmessier> 88 last
[22:58:55] <robin_sz> nice
[22:59:03] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/user_comps/vcp/ (vcp_main.c vcp_widgets.c): fixed a bug that shows up when the user doesn't explicitly specify the 'layout' attribute for a box
[22:59:15] <robin_sz> we fond the insurance was too expensive, so we dont do aero
[22:59:19] <K4ts> que c est dit giacus dmessier je ne comprend pas
[22:59:36] <dmessier> maybe im GOIN TO HAWAHII>>>> and dint realize it
[22:59:38] <K4ts> ecrive moi en francaise
[22:59:55] <giacus> dmessier: wow that's great
[23:00:53] <giacus> we got a very bad weather in these days
[23:00:56] <robin_sz> mon aeroglisser est plein des anguilles
[23:00:58] <dmessier> jai trvaiellier 92 hour c'est semaine et 88 la denier
[23:01:11] <giacus> visitors are quite tired here
[23:01:17] <K4ts> wow
[23:01:28] <K4ts> toi etre tres fatigue alors
[23:01:36] <dmessier> i would log in and fall asleep
[23:01:58] <robin_sz> strong coffee and sandwiches are the key
[23:02:21] <K4ts> coffee americano bleachhhh
[23:02:26] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/Makefile: print entering/leaving messages just like it was a sub-make, so vim can automatically visit files with errors/warnings
[23:02:36] <robin_sz> sandwiches made with caffeine pills :)
[23:02:37] <K4ts> coffe napoletano slurp
[23:02:39] <giacus> 5 hours/night are ok
[23:02:49] <dmessier> mes 2 enfant sonte ice sans parent... le plus vieux a 16 an... j'avez peaur...
[23:02:54] <giacus> K4ts: robin_sz meant caffè forte
[23:03:06] <giacus> that's not the long coffe used in the US
[23:03:16] <giacus> I guess..
[23:03:42] <giacus> she's thinking at the long coffe (not strong..)
[23:03:42] <robin_sz> espresso
[23:03:46] <giacus> :P
[23:04:51] <giacus> but a good tea should have a similar effect too
[23:05:01] <giacus> isnt it robin_sz ?
[23:05:33] <K4ts> dmessier tu devrais reposer de piu
[23:06:34] <K4ts> tu dors trop peu et travailles trop
[23:08:25] <giacus> yes, 5 hours without breaks (at least)
[23:13:30] <robin_sz> http://www.porkolt.com/other/strange/creature/strange-creature-2769.html
[23:13:37] <robin_sz> scary ... what is that? human?
[23:15:01] <giacus> strange movie
[23:15:27] <robin_sz> http://www.porkolt.com/other/shocking/apache/gunship/attack/iraq/kill/war/footage-of-apache-gunship-taking-out-iraqis-795.html
[23:15:38] <robin_sz> now .. that one is weird ...
[23:15:50] <robin_sz> on the one hand, death is not pleasant
[23:16:19] <robin_sz> on the other, it is amazing to place shots so accurately from 1000m +
[23:18:29] <giacus> yes, I already seen that in a documentary time ago
[23:18:55] <giacus> incredible
[23:19:24] <robin_sz> 30mm canon, from a helicopter platform and so accurate at such a range
[23:19:45] <robin_sz> and the people do not even know it is there, so it must be a long way away
[23:20:53] <giacus> http://www.corriere.it/Media/Foto/2006/07_Luglio/08/fdg/PAM_550x419_reuters.jpg
[23:21:26] <giacus> that's not so accurate, but seems efficaciuos too
[23:21:29] <giacus> :D
[23:22:20] <dmessier> i have that on.. .. look at the HUD.. watch the ammo count go ..
[23:25:42] <giacus> robin_sz: time ago rainews24 did a movie about white phosphorus, that scenes are used in the final part of the documentary
[23:25:53] <giacus> it should be online yet I guess ..
[23:26:39] <giacus> http://www.rainews24.rai.it/ran24/inchiesta/video.asp
[23:26:52] <giacus> english vers. is available too
[23:30:04] <alex_joni> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/uploads/halvcp.png
[23:31:32] <fenn> uh oh
[23:31:35] <giacus> nice
[23:31:39] <fenn> pretty soon we'll have a mach 3 panel :)
[23:31:52] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/halui_halvcp/ (halui.vcp halvcp.hal): rework of the vcp, added a few more buttons and leds
[23:31:53] <alex_joni> fenn: this is only a helper gui
[23:32:03] <alex_joni> the main use of it will be in hardware panels
[23:33:04] <alex_joni> fenn: I don't expect anyone to use halvcp&halui as a GUI
[23:49:47] <K4ts> night