#emc | Logs for 2006-06-30

[00:07:46] <Jymmm> giacus no no you had it right the first time... no one under 50 years of age
[00:08:44] <giacus> uhm
[00:09:11] <giacus> no.. that rule will be applied in 2009 better :D
[00:09:13] <Jymmm> oooops, I meant 60 YEARS OF AGE, not 50
[00:33:52] <giacus> I remember a guy asking to RMS a question during the conference about free software: " Don't it seems to you the GFDL is too much long and unconfortable to use (3 pages), when the CC need only few lines ?
[00:34:12] <giacus> He looked the guys in the eyes and sayd: absolutely not.
[00:34:57] <giacus> an enciclopedia should'nt be enough for someone
[00:35:51] <giacus> but the funny thing I noticed, playng around the models, lots of peoples invent theyr own license
[00:36:06] <giacus> I found about 30-40 different version until now
[00:36:43] <giacus> someone wrote: do not use for porn, some other do not eat it ..
[00:36:47] <giacus> :D
[00:38:17] <giacus> these guys are evils
[00:40:59] <giacus> I really hope they will findd what are looking for ..
[00:58:10] <SWPadnos_> SWPadnos_ is now known as SWPadnos
[01:04:47] <Jymmm> anyone know about setting up ubuntu with dual video cards?
[01:05:34] <jepler> giacus: the CC is not "just a few lines". The summary is a few lines, but (for example) "by-nc-nd 2.5" is around 2000 words, or 220 lines when I format it to 72 columns. That's over 3 60-line pages.
[01:13:44] <giacus> jepler: the problem is the CC leave many question unsweared it seems
[01:14:23] <giacus> but isnt a bad license
[01:14:51] <giacus> always better than licenses goes to write anytime ..
[01:15:09] <giacus> the debates was about commercial- non commercial
[01:15:12] <Jymmm> How do I disable gui login from the console?
[01:15:45] <giacus> what gui Jymmm?
[01:16:06] <Jymmm> GUI login
[01:16:16] <giacus> KDM, GDM XDM ?
[01:16:22] <Jymmm> whatever
[01:16:39] <giacus> I use rcconf
[01:16:41] <Jymmm> ubuntu 5.10
[01:17:01] <giacus> rcconf is a tool to select what to run
[01:17:29] <giacus> or you could remove the login manager
[01:18:31] <giacus> rcconf should be available as package I think, apt-search for it
[01:18:33] <Jymmm> where is rcconf located?
[01:18:59] <giacus> apt-get update and apt-cache search rcconf
[01:19:07] <giacus> you have to run it as root
[01:19:37] <giacus> if find it install it with apt-get install rcconf
[01:20:18] <giacus> run it in a console as root then, remove the flag to your login manager with space bar and exit
[01:21:31] <giacus> rcconf - Debian Runlevel configuration tool. it should be in Ubuntu too, I guess
[01:22:50] <giacus> jepler: the debates was about the fact that many peoples associates the 'commercial' term to Money and not Free.
[01:24:54] <giacus> well, If I can't use EMC on my workshop then it can't be called FREE
[01:25:09] <giacus> that's my personal opinion
[01:25:49] <giacus> but peoples have fear about the commercial use
[01:26:13] <giacus> I think they don't know enough
[01:26:36] <giacus> about freedom
[01:27:12] <giacus> and they are the 90% of blender user releasing models !
[01:27:32] <giacus> not few..
[01:30:16] <giacus> Jymmm: found it ?
[01:40:26] <Jymmm> nope, didnt look. just ripped out the othe rvideo card
[01:41:09] <Jymmm> too much bullshit to deal with.
[01:41:47] <Jymmm> doubt I'll be able to run emc2 on this box
[01:41:53] <Jymmm> (real time)
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[02:40:38] <steve_stallings> steve_stallings is now known as steves_logging1
[02:49:09] <lilo> [Global Notice] Hi all. A few minutes ago we experienced some connectivity problems on a main rotation server....we're looking at the problem and removing it from main rotation. Apologies for the inconvenience!
[03:32:44] <asdf23r> asdf23r is now known as A-L-P-H-A
[04:07:05] <JymmmEMC> FYI... Install script had this msg popup:
[04:10:19] <JymmmEMC> oh hell, damn nix!
[04:30:49] <wholepair> will emc2 run in dapper-drake ubuntu 6.06 - ?
[04:33:00] <wholepair> im going to try to use the .sh script from the linuxcnc.org page in my newly installer dapper-drake.
[04:52:34] <wholepair> helloooooooooo
[05:14:18] <wholepair> shit - i read - *for now please use 5.10 Breezy Badger. we know 6.06 Dapper Drake has been released, but there are no available packages for that.
[05:14:31] <wholepair> guess ill go to bed then
[05:18:24] <giacus> hello wholepair
[06:35:09] <alex_joni> wholepair: still there?
[07:47:21] <Jymmm> anyone know how to mount a fat32 partition under ubuntu?
[07:48:14] <anonimasu> yeah
[07:48:28] <anonimasu> mount -tvfat /mnt/hda1 /dev/hda1
[07:48:31] <anonimasu> :)
[07:48:48] <anonimasu> that should work if you have support for fat32 compiled
[07:49:43] <Jymmm> it's not by default?
[07:50:25] <anonimasu> most likely
[07:50:31] <Jymmm> <anonimasu> mount -tvfat /mnt/hda1 /dev/hda1
[07:50:38] <anonimasu> yeah
[07:50:47] <JymmmEMC> whats the mount point there?
[07:50:57] <anonimasu> /mnt/hda1
[07:51:01] <JymmmEMC> ah
[07:51:02] <anonimasu> I might have reversed them
[07:52:20] <JymmmEMC> mount: mount point /mnt/hda1 does not exist
[07:52:32] <JymmmEMC> I reversed them from what you said
[07:52:36] <giacus> mkdir /mnt/hda1
[07:52:38] <anonimasu> mkdir /mnt/hd1
[07:52:56] <giacus> mount /dev/hda1 /mnt/hda1
[07:53:05] <giacus> should work with automount
[07:53:13] <anonimasu> you might need -t
[07:53:14] <giacus> without specify -t
[07:53:49] <anonimasu> I dont care I use -t when I mount.
[07:54:05] <JymmmEMC> that worked =)
[07:54:07] <anonimasu> usually thats ntfs..
[07:54:21] <giacus> no needed anymore
[07:54:33] <giacus> I do not write on ntfs !
[07:54:44] <anonimasu> oh you never do.
[07:54:45] <giacus> you do it ?
[07:54:50] <JymmmEMC> no, this is fat32
[07:54:59] <giacus> ah, fat32 its ok
[07:55:31] <giacus> bad filesystem, bat you can write on by linux as you want
[07:55:37] <giacus> but*
[07:58:01] <giacus> I think today we back home from mondial cup
[07:58:33] <giacus> croatia
[08:08:06] <pier> hehe
[08:12:35] <giacus> hi pier :(
[08:12:35] <pier> morning !
[08:12:35] <giacus> :)
[08:12:36] <pier> slightly cooler today isn't it?
[08:12:36] <pier> yest 37 now 27
[08:12:36] <giacus> not here
[08:13:49] <alex_joni> 35 here
[08:14:17] <pier> :(
[08:16:36] <pier> could anyone tell me please (if there is one of course) which is the source of the rtai module that generate the step pulse in Emc2?
[08:18:44] <giacus> stepgen.c I guess
[08:18:57] <pier> you sweet!
[08:19:00] <pier> :)
[08:19:14] <pier> going to have a look at it
[08:19:15] <giacus> not sure :P
[08:19:20] <giacus> check it
[08:19:25] <pier> noprob
[08:26:46] <alex_joni> pier: it's emc2/src/hal/components/stepgen.c
[08:26:58] <pier> thanks !!
[09:18:41] <alex_joni> giacus: isn't italy playing ukraine today?
[09:22:58] <alex_joni> at least you have buffon
[09:28:56] <giacus> yes, this evening at 21
[09:31:33] <giacus> pier: you there ?
[09:32:01] <giacus> I've to understand how this work yet.. http://www.axefactory.com/miniscannerhowto/miniscanner.html
[09:32:14] <giacus> no motors, no steppers
[09:32:31] <giacus> he manually move the table ? O_O
[09:32:41] <giacus> bah
[09:44:42] <pier> tell me giacus
[09:47:06] <giacus> was tryng to understand how that scanner should work ..
[09:47:17] <pier> so am I
[09:49:07] <giacus> it doesnt seems to use any motor to move camera or object to scan
[09:49:40] <pier> no motors ...
[09:59:05] <giacus> K, later
[09:59:27] <pier> puzzling scanner... bye
[10:03:00] <giacus> this would be nice: http://www.comagrav.com/3d_scanning_probes.html
[10:03:09] <giacus> bye, later.
[10:41:20] <alex_joni> morning chris
[10:44:57] <cradek> hi
[10:55:28] <alex_joni> what's up?
[11:19:53] <alex_joni> I can't wait for tomorrow ;).. going to the mountain house again
[11:20:39] <pier> good for you :) fresh clean clear air...
[11:22:26] <alex_joni> yeah.. and way cooler than here
[11:23:30] <pier> going to get grilled on the beach for me this afternoon... luckily will play with my RC sailboat..
[11:23:53] <pier> if the winch doesn't get loose
[11:24:24] <alex_joni> sounds like quite a problem..
[11:24:32] <pier> :)
[11:24:33] <alex_joni> especially if that happens when it's far away :D
[11:24:56] <pier> if there is just a light breeze that is not a problem
[11:26:21] <pier> the helm will suffice. Yet once I had a close shave and risked to have the boat missed away
[11:27:30] <pier> jib and mainsail can turn freely
[11:27:38] <pier> around the main mast
[11:28:10] <alex_joni> obviously I have no idea what you are talking about :D
[11:28:17] <pier> :(
[11:28:28] <pier> sorry
[11:28:32] <alex_joni> pier: don't feel bad ;)
[11:28:45] <alex_joni> maybe one day I'll think about learning how to sail
[11:28:53] <alex_joni> or at least that those terms are :)
[11:28:55] <pier> I was beginning to get carried away
[11:29:08] <alex_joni> pier: don't sweat it
[11:29:28] <alex_joni> well.. I kinda know what a main mast and a main sail are :D
[11:29:44] <pier> I am a novice myself... more into the RC plane
[11:30:04] <pier> cnc cut now :)
[11:31:20] <alex_joni> are you on frappr?
[11:31:50] <pier> no.. but visited the site
[11:31:57] <alex_joni> http://www.frappr.com/emc2 <- add yourself :)
[11:32:42] <pier> yes but I am a bit ashamed of my machine. Though I am drawing a new one capable of working metals
[11:33:10] <alex_joni> pier: you shouldn't
[11:33:11] <pier> wife calls .... lunch's ready ... later
[11:33:18] <alex_joni> ok.. enjoy
[11:35:36] <alex_joni> aieee.. how can you keep track with so many bits: http://www.infinigral.com/melder/drills.htm
[11:48:36] <fenn> i measure the diameter with calipers
[11:49:08] <fenn> its not like a 5mm drill will make a 5mm hole
[11:56:06] <alex_joni> fenn: depends how well it's calibrated, and how you drill it
[11:57:15] <fenn> what i mean is a 5mm hole is undersize so when you drill with a certain sized pilot hole it will probably be pretty close to 5mm
[12:19:55] <mess> Hi all...
[12:22:08] <alex_joni> salut
[12:22:51] <alex_joni> ca va?
[12:26:42] <mess> ca va... je suis sur l'ils du prince edward...
[12:29:31] <mess> working on a little nightmare part... triple pronged tuning fork
[12:43:09] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/halcmd.c:
[12:43:09] <CIA-8> complete -w and -iw for loadusr
[12:43:09] <CIA-8> add vim turd
[13:38:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> hi
[13:41:08] <jepler> Lerneaen_Hydra2: good morning
[13:43:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> jepler: good afternoon ;)
[15:26:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> is it difficult to get g33, and all that it entails, to work? (excluding hardware)
[15:27:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> let's say I have index pulse on a pin and counts on another pin
[15:27:55] <cradek> the nist-lathe sample configuration in cvs is set up for threading, you just need to configure your hal
[15:29:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cradek: and that's no big matter?
[15:29:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cradek: IIRC you programmed a tool that let you use lathes that didn't have an encoder, just a wheel with X counts/rev
[15:29:54] <cradek> right, the counter module
[15:30:01] <cradek> as far as I know, it's untested
[15:30:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> but probably working?
[15:30:36] <cradek> probably working or nearly working
[15:30:49] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok, there's not that much that can really go wrong with it
[15:31:20] <jepler> in the example hal file look for the block that starts '# Beginning of threading related stuff'
[15:32:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> phaze Z? would that be index?
[15:32:23] <jepler> Z is index
[15:32:26] <jepler> A and B are quadrature
[15:32:33] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> right
[15:32:57] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> what do the homeswitches have to do with threading?
[15:34:09] <jepler> they probably belong somewhere else
[15:34:10] <jepler> in the hal file
[15:34:13] <jepler> they're not related to threading
[15:34:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok, thought so
[15:47:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> uh, does anyone happen to have a .sh lying around that will wipe the old isntallation of emc and axis, and then download and compile from cvs the latest version? I will I have to make that myself?
[15:48:42] <jepler> if you want to get rid of changes you've made to the files, you can do it with "cvs up", specifically with the "-C" flag: Overwrite locally modified files with clean repository copies.
[15:49:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> jepler: I want to update all files, even files that I have modified, to the latest, without typing 15 lines in bash
[15:49:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> s/have/haven't
[15:50:01] <jepler> that's what "cvs up" does .. run it at the top dir, and in the src/axis dir
[15:50:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh
[15:50:14] <jepler> (cvs up is normally recursive, but it won't cross into src/axis because that is from a different repository)
[15:50:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> updates all files?
[15:50:20] <jepler> yes
[15:50:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> jepler: ok
[15:50:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> jepler: does it need an andress?
[15:50:31] <jepler> no
[15:50:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> or just cvs upp
[15:50:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> s/upp/up
[15:50:51] <jepler> when you run commands from inside a CVS checkout it uses the CVSROOT you used when checking out in the first place
[15:50:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> jepler: and I don't need to delete files beforehand?
[15:51:01] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> jepler: ok
[15:57:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> then this should work, right?
[15:57:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cd /home/cnc-lathe/emc2
[15:57:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cvs up
[15:57:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cd src/axis
[15:57:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cvs up
[15:57:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cd ..
[15:57:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ./configure --enable-run-in-place
[15:57:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> make && sudo make setuid
[15:58:13] <jepler> looks OK, though generally there's no need to re-run configure
[15:58:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> jepler: I may as well, once I had to to get something to work
[15:58:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> it was an unusual thing though
[15:59:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> um, when doing the configure I noticed I got two warnings, about missing libs
[15:59:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> "configure: WARNING: ncurses lib missing" "configure: WARNING: Xaw lib missing"
[15:59:57] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> which doesnt sound too good
[16:01:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I take it I should get them, but are they just normal libs that can be gotten via apt-get?
[16:03:13] <bill203> sure
[16:07:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> hmm, according to synaptic I aleady have libsurses5
[16:07:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> s/libsurses5/libcurses5
[16:07:36] <cradek> -dev
[16:08:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, right. i don't have that one
[16:09:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> and libxaw7-dev?
[16:10:02] <cradek> yes
[16:10:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> both headers and main file?
[16:10:43] <cradek> probably -dev will be everything you need
[16:11:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ok
[16:22:31] <jepler> those warnings only matter if you want to build keystick or xemc, which most people don't use...
[16:24:55] <jepler> on the other hand, libreadline5-dev is worth installing if you're going to work with the hal commandline much
[17:06:54] <alex_joni> hello all
[17:13:37] <skunkworks> Hi alex
[17:18:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> jepler: I still seem to get axis errors when starting up
[17:18:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> jepler: only when loading my config though
[17:19:51] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> http://pastebin.ca/75853
[17:23:41] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: I suspect it's because of your tool file?
[17:24:04] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: can you pastebin the ini?
[17:24:11] <alex_joni> do you have LATHE defined in it?
[17:24:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: which part?
[17:24:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: yes
[17:24:29] <alex_joni> then I think you must update the foo.tbl
[17:24:33] <alex_joni> the tool table file
[17:24:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> http://pastebin.ca/75857
[17:24:45] <alex_joni> I suspect AXIS expects it to be in lathe format
[17:24:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh
[17:25:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> that sounds like a possible explanation
[17:25:29] <alex_joni> stepper.tbl
[17:25:42] <alex_joni> try to recopy it from configs/stepper if you didn't change it too much
[17:25:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: it's the old format
[17:25:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: I don't use it at all so I
[17:26:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> 'll just copy a new version
[17:26:49] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> hmm, configs/stepper was the same format
[17:26:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> (old style)
[17:27:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> and I did a cvs update just now
[17:29:37] <alex_joni> get one from configs/nist-lathe
[17:29:51] <alex_joni> emc2/configs/nist-lathe/nist-lathe.tbl
[17:30:05] <alex_joni> and rename it to stepper.tbl, (or alternatively change the ini to use it)
[17:31:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> hmm. funny. still errors
[17:32:24] <alex_joni> same?
[17:32:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yes
[17:32:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> appears so
[17:33:29] <alex_joni> sorry.. that was my only feeling/hunch
[17:34:53] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> hmm. I'll have to bug jepler then. ;)
[17:34:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> thanks anyway
[17:36:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yoohoo? jepler? you there? ;)
[17:38:55] <alex_joni> * alex_joni grabs the big catleprod
[17:45:11] <alex_joni> * alex_joni prods jepler
[17:51:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> * Lerneaen_Hydra2 grabs a yet bigger prod
[17:51:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> * Lerneaen_Hydra2 and proceeds to poke/prod jepler with it
[17:52:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> * Lerneaen_Hydra2 to no appearent avail
[17:53:21] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: when do you get this error?
[17:53:26] <alex_joni> on startup?
[17:53:31] <alex_joni> or durring running?
[17:53:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: startup
[17:53:56] <alex_joni> odd
[17:54:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> the first segment before axis loads, the second after the window loads
[17:54:25] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I've commented out the spindle-switch code
[17:54:49] <skunkworks> you have the latest nightly build of axis?
[17:55:33] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yes, I cvs updated both an hour ago
[17:55:58] <skunkworks> you can cvs update axis - cool
[17:56:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> it's on a different server though
[17:56:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> so a different cvsroot
[17:57:54] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: any different software has a different cvsroot, even if it would be on the same server
[17:58:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: ah, ok
[17:59:12] <alex_joni> but that's irrelevant :)
[17:59:29] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: try to comment the LATHE = YES in the ini
[17:59:35] <alex_joni> and see if the error goes away..
[18:05:06] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: no errors then
[18:10:04] <alex_joni> ok, at least it's somehow narrowed down
[18:10:24] <alex_joni> you're sure you're using the latest AXIS
[18:10:38] <alex_joni> and the latest nist-lathe.tbl ?
[18:10:53] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> uh, as sure as I can be
[18:10:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I made this script to update:
[18:11:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cd /home/cnc-lathe/emc2
[18:11:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cvs up
[18:11:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cd src/axis
[18:11:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cvs up
[18:11:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cd ..
[18:11:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> ./configure --enable-run-in-place
[18:11:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> make && sudo make setuid
[18:11:13] <alex_joni> what do you get when you run cvs up in the axis dir?
[18:11:21] <alex_joni> does it simply return?
[18:12:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> http://pastebin.ca/75887
[18:12:47] <alex_joni> looks OK
[18:23:14] <jepler> I just got back from lunch
[18:23:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: is 300ms enough for non-RT inputs?
[18:23:24] <jepler> is there a pastebin showing the actual error axis gives?
[18:23:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> yes, a bit up
[18:24:24] <alex_joni> http://pastebin.ca/75857
[18:24:33] <alex_joni> http://pastebin.ca/75853
[18:25:05] <jepler> cradek wrote that line
[18:25:29] <jepler> it must be his fault :-P
[18:25:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> haha
[18:27:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> * Lerneaen_Hydra2 pokes cradek
[18:28:26] <jepler> despite getting that message during startup, axis seems to run (with the nist-lathe configuration, on the lathecomp.ngc file)
[18:28:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> jepler: same here
[18:34:43] <alex_joni> * alex_joni pokes Lerneaen_Hydra2
[18:34:50] <alex_joni> you didn't say it keeps working
[18:35:36] <alex_joni> jepler: from the little I know.. maybe there's a need for a check tool_nr < 0 ?
[18:36:44] <robin_sz> sigh .. why does nto my printer work?
[18:37:17] <robin_sz> poxy printers ... I so do begin to hate them
[18:37:52] <alex_joni> postscript?
[18:40:54] <alex_joni> holepair: hello
[18:41:17] <alex_joni> am I correctly assuming your similar to wholepair ?
[18:41:53] <holepair> since there is a dapper dir here: http://dsplabs.cs.upt.ro/emc2/dists/ does that mean I can modify this script to use it http://linuxcnc.org/emc2-install.sh
[18:42:00] <holepair> yes im wholepair at work
[18:42:25] <jepler> holepair: yes, but those packages are somewhat experimental
[18:42:36] <alex_joni> holepair: yes
[18:42:48] <holepair> when will they be um somewhat less experimental
[18:43:01] <alex_joni> holepair: they probably will stay the same
[18:43:11] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/scripts/axis.py: current_tool can be None, so don't throw a fit
[18:43:16] <alex_joni> they will pass further tests, and prove themselves :D
[18:43:23] <jepler> holepair: after people like you have valiantly tested them, in other word
[18:43:24] <jepler> s
[18:43:36] <alex_joni> right now about 10-15 people use them without any problems afaik
[18:43:43] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: oops. sorry
[18:43:59] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: was just pulling your leg :)
[18:44:14] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: but I live after the IBM motto..
[18:44:22] <alex_joni> "never touch a running system" :D
[18:44:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> which?
[18:44:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: haha
[18:44:43] <alex_joni> if it ain't broken, don't fix it
[18:44:44] <alex_joni> :D
[18:44:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: dapper works fine for me so far
[18:45:05] <alex_joni> same here
[18:45:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> is dapper going to be the emc system of choice in the future because of its LTS?
[18:45:44] <holepair> I will try them tonight then - anyone want to make sure I can get the shell script edited correctly - i switched to dapper because my breezy badger got broke broke - don't know why - Xdesktop or whatever stopped working
[18:46:02] <alex_joni> holepair: just replace all breezy with dapper in that script
[18:46:12] <alex_joni> holepair: and report back here how it goes
[18:46:45] <cradek> wholepair: I answered your email this morning about this...
[18:47:16] <holepair> Ok - thats what I did - ill tell you what happens when I get home - I can see my home computer from here - cradek: yahoo must have thought you were spam...
[18:47:35] <cradek> ok
[18:47:41] <alex_joni> that's common
[18:47:59] <alex_joni> holepair: he gets it all the time :D
[18:48:06] <alex_joni> just kidding ;)
[18:48:07] <SWPadnos> he doesn't look like spam
[18:48:17] <SWPadnos> well - he didn't at fest, at least
[18:48:21] <cradek> then yahoo sucks
[18:48:25] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: that's the problem with emails.. can't see who's writing them
[18:48:40] <SWPadnos> hmmm - video authentication for email senders
[18:49:00] <cradek> if microsoft-lookout didn't suck, I'd be signing my messages with gpg, then you certainly could be sure who wrote it
[18:49:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> cradek: what do you verify the gpg against?
[18:49:50] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: you don't.. you just sign the mail
[18:50:02] <holepair> ill use gmail next time - but there wont be a next time will there - im famous, got on boingboing yesterday - check me out: http://www.boingboing.net/2006/06/28/punch_card_curtains.html
[18:50:08] <holepair> gotta run - see ya
[18:50:13] <Jymmm> SWPadnos s/video/dna/
[18:50:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: I think I need to read about gpg
[18:51:11] <alex_joni> that's a nice idea (the punch_card_curtains)
[18:52:48] <Mess> Hi all... gonna spend Canada day in PEI by the looks of it
[18:53:01] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oops
[18:53:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> anyway, g'night all
[18:55:34] <jepler> see you Lerneaen_Hydra2
[18:56:43] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> um, random question before I dissapear:
[18:56:48] <alex_joni> yes
[18:56:49] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> is estop RT?
[18:56:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> a hardware estop switch
[18:57:16] <cradek> no
[18:57:16] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: no software should be involved in real life saving features
[18:57:30] <cradek> your estop switch should also stop the machine properly
[18:57:33] <alex_joni> so if you care about your life, get a big contactor
[18:57:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> alex_joni: no, of course not, my estop connects to the physical main power input, as well as emc
[18:57:45] <alex_joni> and hook up the estop switches to drive that
[18:57:53] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra2: then you're safe
[18:57:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> through a contactor
[18:58:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> I was just wondering, becuase axis seemed to have a latency of 1 second or so before the estop icon was pressed
[18:58:31] <alex_joni> it's non RT
[18:58:39] <alex_joni> and it passes NML messages around
[18:58:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> oh, ok
[18:59:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra2> g'night
[18:59:42] <alex_joni> night
[19:00:52] <Jymmm> Just FYI... I had a conversation regarding ESTOP... in SOME cases, especially when brakes are involved, it be better to have a timer-relay in the estop circuit, than to just instantly remove power from the system.
[19:01:12] <alex_joni> Jymmm: that is regulated by certain standards
[19:01:16] <alex_joni> at least in europe it is
[19:01:31] <Jymmm> alex_joni Yeah, like any hobbiest follows "regulations" =)
[19:02:11] <alex_joni> Jymmm: on our robots when you push estop: power goes to a balast resistor, motors brake as much as they can, and there is a mechanical brake applied
[19:02:25] <alex_joni> even if this is for a 2t moving gantry at 1m/sec
[19:02:44] <Jymmm> yeah, that was the conversation was about =)
[19:03:06] <alex_joni> sometimes 10msec's are crucial
[19:03:34] <Jymmm> Grainger sells a 0-10S timer relay
[19:03:38] <alex_joni> Jymmm: there are big red Stop buttons
[19:03:48] <alex_joni> which do the decel stuff, then brake
[19:03:55] <alex_joni> and there are the red mushrooms
[19:04:09] <alex_joni> so if you're meaning to really make it halt you hit estop
[19:04:33] <cradek> do you have to rehome after estop?
[19:04:47] <Jymmm> I have no brakes, but I'd love to be able to have ESTOP disconnect the motors from the driver and short the windings.
[19:05:14] <Jymmm> cradek gawd I'd hope so
[19:05:16] <alex_joni> cradek: no
[19:05:21] <Jymmm> alex_joni really?
[19:05:25] <alex_joni> the resolvers are attached to the motor shaft
[19:05:28] <alex_joni> they can't move
[19:06:50] <Jymmm> alex_joni: what's a "resolver"? some kind of encoder?
[19:07:05] <alex_joni> Jymmm: yes and no
[19:07:10] <alex_joni> it's analog
[19:07:22] <Jymmm> alex_joni but tracks current position, right?
[19:07:35] <alex_joni> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Resolver_(electrical)
[19:07:55] <alex_joni> it always gives you the exact position in one rotation
[19:08:04] <alex_joni> without the need to count it or similar
[19:08:23] <alex_joni> you feed it one sinewave (ref), and read back 2 (sin & cos)
[19:08:33] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[19:08:39] <alex_joni> based on where the 2 are regarding to the ref one, you know where the rotor is
[19:09:39] <alex_joni> we use about 10kHz
[19:09:42] <alex_joni> on the ref signal
[19:17:38] <fenn> alex_joni: i think you'll find this funny http://stream.qtv.apple.com/qtv/videoc/aaa/http/thec026/thec026_http_300_300.mov
[19:18:25] <alex_joni> fenn: how is this: http://www.maglavais.ro/upload/Image/bah_chifla/becam_figou_zidan.jpg ??
[19:18:44] <robin_sz> regarding estop ... you should note there are laws ... lots of em, about estop circuits
[19:19:03] <alex_joni> fenn: I know it..
[19:19:11] <alex_joni> used to play around mtv? over here
[19:19:27] <robin_sz> it doesnt matter so much for hobby use, but for say, that big Mazak, then it matters
[19:19:28] <alex_joni> fenn: thanks for the thought.. though ;)
[19:20:14] <robin_sz> sadly, most of the regulations are completely nuts ...
[19:20:29] <fenn> tatal galacticilor? i'm afraid i dont speak gaelic
[19:20:59] <robin_sz> like, obviously, you could bring a big gantry to a stop best using the servos, but the law says you have to de-power the motors
[19:21:06] <alex_joni> fenn: check out his name
[19:21:28] <fenn> "poenaru"
[19:21:30] <alex_joni> last name: poenaru (pretty common)
[19:21:43] <alex_joni> first name: beckham figo zidan
[19:21:59] <fenn> * fenn blinks
[19:22:30] <fenn> is that weirder than poenaru?
[19:22:37] <alex_joni> lots
[19:22:44] <alex_joni> beckham is an english soccer player
[19:22:51] <alex_joni> zidan is a french one
[19:22:59] <fenn> ah..
[19:23:23] <robin_sz> * robin_sz bets in france he wouldnt be allowed to be called that
[19:23:24] <fenn> so i hear there are some soccer games going on, is that right?
[19:23:45] <alex_joni> figo is a spanish one.. I think
[19:23:53] <alex_joni> fenn: world cup
[19:24:20] <alex_joni> figo is from portugal.. sorry ;)
[19:26:35] <robin_sz> did you know that in france, you can basically only choose your childs name from an official list, and even then, you might not get it passed
[19:37:08] <alex_joni> so I guess names like ALDWYN aren't really allowed :D
[19:39:55] <robin_sz> dunno ... it might be popular in frnace ;)
[19:40:14] <robin_sz> I know Austria has laws about calling people hitler
[19:40:52] <robin_sz> tomorow we get to try welding cromweld ... that should be fun.
[19:41:20] <robin_sz> its the "almost" stainless steel
[19:41:22] <alex_joni> http://www.jokaroo.com/funnyvideos/vin_diesel_scripted_interviews.html LOL
[19:41:39] <alex_joni> robin_sz: preheating?
[19:42:05] <robin_sz> mmmm .. dunno yet
[19:42:39] <alex_joni> something for the back fo your head.. if it starts to crack after welding :D
[19:43:16] <alex_joni> what's the composition?
[19:43:51] <robin_sz> mmm .... dunno :)
[19:44:04] <robin_sz> its 1.4003 by its other name
[19:44:11] <robin_sz> or 3CR12
[19:44:20] <alex_joni> ok.. so only Cr
[19:44:20] <robin_sz> its "nearly" stainless
[19:44:28] <alex_joni> Cr12
[19:44:34] <robin_sz> welds with a 309 wire
[19:44:40] <alex_joni> add Ni and it's stainless
[19:44:54] <alex_joni> should be OK
[19:45:12] <robin_sz> it *might* be the same as 430
[19:45:44] <alex_joni> whoaaaa
[19:45:49] <alex_joni> did you guys see the Carver One?
[19:46:08] <alex_joni> http://www.carver-worldwide.com/Movies/LoadMovie.asp?S_ID=64
[19:48:04] <robin_sz> im still trying to figure out who vin diesel is
[19:48:41] <alex_joni> lol
[19:49:04] <alex_joni> http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0004874/
[19:49:19] <alex_joni> not much of a movie fan.. are you?
[19:50:14] <robin_sz> well, I have seen one, but it was a long time ago
[19:50:36] <alex_joni> casablanca?
[19:50:52] <robin_sz> nah, star wars :)
[19:51:09] <robin_sz> I think there is a movie theatre in a town near here
[19:53:58] <skunkworks> I can't wait for M. Night Shyamalan next movie. (althogh "the village" was a flop)
[19:54:00] <robin_sz> the carver thing os pretty cool
[19:54:25] <robin_sz> hub centre steering seems to have come a long way since the Tesi
[19:54:53] <alex_joni> skunkworks: the 6th sense was great
[19:55:01] <alex_joni> the village was total crap
[19:56:01] <fenn> three wheelers should always have the two wheels in front unless you can accelerate faster than you can brake
[19:56:19] <skunkworks> alex_joni: agreed - I did like "signs" also. he is a pretty good story teller.
[19:56:21] <alex_joni> fenn: coem again?
[19:56:29] <alex_joni> come again?
[19:56:41] <fenn> they have a nasty habit of flipping over when you turn and brake at the same time
[19:56:52] <alex_joni> ahh..
[19:56:56] <fenn> at least the atv's did
[19:57:10] <alex_joni> so did the TT
[19:57:23] <alex_joni> and it wasn't 3-wheeled
[19:57:24] <fenn> what's a TT?
[19:57:39] <robin_sz> * robin_sz suspects they can accerate faster than they brake
[19:58:08] <alex_joni> audi TT
[19:58:08] <skunkworks> * skunkworks doesn't think so Acceleration0-100 km/h (62 mph) in 8.2 s
[19:58:32] <fenn> they flip over?
[19:58:33] <alex_joni> skunkworks: yeah, but they brake in 20s :D
[19:58:42] <fenn> does it have a lead roof?
[19:58:43] <alex_joni> fenn: had some issues with high speed braking
[19:58:43] <robin_sz> seems a bit slow
[19:58:53] <alex_joni> fenn: it's taken care now
[19:59:01] <alex_joni> same was for the mercedes A-class
[19:59:01] <robin_sz> I was assuming they would have performance similar to a bike
[19:59:26] <robin_sz> most litre calss bikes have 0-100 under 3 seconds
[20:00:11] <fenn> that carver thing is so stupid
[20:00:21] <fenn> i hate it
[20:00:34] <skunkworks> less than a liter
[20:00:41] <robin_sz> yeuw
[20:00:49] <skunkworks> 659 cc
[20:00:52] <skunkworks> but turboed
[20:01:03] <skunkworks> 68hp
[20:01:07] <robin_sz> eh?
[20:01:11] <robin_sz> thats carp
[20:01:14] <robin_sz> crap
[20:01:27] <robin_sz> most 600cc non turbo bike engines make 100+ bhp
[20:01:33] <skunkworks> 4 cylinder 16 valve turbo intercooler
[20:01:47] <robin_sz> they must have made it especially crap for some reason
[20:01:58] <robin_sz> maybe its a SMART car engine
[20:02:02] <robin_sz> they are crap :)
[20:02:47] <robin_sz> Im suprised it so low on power though ... quite odd.
[20:04:48] <robin_sz> weird that it only leans to 45 degrees too. thats quite low
[20:05:31] <fenn> why not just put a gyroscope in a bike with a bubble around it
[20:05:42] <robin_sz> implies that the tyre side forces are never allowed to exceed the weight, ie a friction coefficient of 1
[20:05:48] <robin_sz> modern tyres go well over that
[20:05:53] <fenn> a little servo can move the gyro back and forth to keep the bike standing
[20:06:35] <skunkworks> my car stock does 0-60 in mid 5 seconds - that just doesn't seem like it would be much fun.
[20:07:12] <robin_sz> yeah, they seem to havce used a poor engine package ... but it looks like a fun little thing anyway
[20:10:05] <robin_sz> I can see them selling well to people who have lots of money and fancy the biker image without the leaters and dirt
[20:10:40] <robin_sz> I guess that why they got a F1 driver to demo it.
[20:20:53] <skunkworks> fenn: how is the servo amp/control coming? out of idea stage yet?
[20:21:20] <fenn> just needs to be put together
[20:21:57] <fenn> actually i need to order some transistors since my power supply is higher voltage than i expected
[20:22:29] <fenn> forgot about that little sqrt(2) increase you get when rectifying AC
[20:24:34] <alex_joni> heh
[20:24:41] <alex_joni> fenn: cut some windings
[20:24:48] <fenn> nooooooo
[20:24:54] <alex_joni> what kind of transformer do you have?
[20:25:01] <alex_joni> oh.. you said transistor?
[20:25:44] <skunkworks> linear power supply?
[20:25:47] <cradek> I managed to pull enough windings off a 6.3 v transformer to make it 5v
[20:25:48] <fenn> 2n3904/6 are rated at 30V and the transfo puts out 32V
[20:26:01] <fenn> the transformer's sealed in glue
[20:26:15] <cradek> center tap?
[20:27:13] <alex_joni> fenn: if it's a toroidal one, you can add wires on the primary part
[20:27:26] <alex_joni> I always buy toroidals lately.. way smaller and nicer
[20:27:35] <fenn> heh this was $5
[20:28:32] <alex_joni> oh.. then don't worry
[20:28:35] <alex_joni> buy another one
[20:29:15] <fenn> industrial stuff that runs on 24VDC.. what voltage are the transformers rated at?
[20:29:35] <fenn> and am i going to have any luck finding one that runs on 110V?
[20:38:00] <Jymmm> fenn what va do you need?
[20:38:45] <fenn> 120 continuout 600 peak
[20:39:45] <fenn> maybe i can get by with less than that
[20:40:47] <fenn> * fenn would rather just get some transistors
[20:40:52] <Jymmm> the 10A no problem, the 24A peak, eh
[20:41:04] <Jymmm> fenn: http://www.mpja.com/productview.asp?product=7846+TR
[20:41:11] <fenn> 24V not 12V
[20:41:19] <Jymmm> that IS @$V
[20:41:22] <Jymmm> 24V
[20:41:39] <Jymmm> Outputs: 24VAC @ 10A (12V-0V-12V)
[20:41:51] <fenn> heh you made the same mistake i did
[20:42:07] <fenn> 24VAC is 34VDC
[20:42:32] <Jymmm> you asked for a 24V transformer
[20:42:40] <fenn> no i didnt
[20:42:42] <Jymmm> that link is for a 24V transformer
[20:42:51] <Jymmm> <fenn> industrial stuff that runs on 24VDC.. what voltage are the transformers rated at?
[20:42:51] <Jymmm> [06/30 13:36:45] <fenn> and am i going to have any luck finding one that runs on 110V?
[20:42:53] <fenn> * fenn just wants to be left alone
[20:44:23] <skunkworks> :)
[20:47:10] <jepler> fenn: you're not likely to find a transformer that gives 17VAC .. but maybe you could use a linear regulator (lm317? lm7824?) if your current needs are modest.
[20:47:20] <skunkworks> you just need a buck boost transformer :)
[20:47:28] <fenn> good lord what kind of advice am i getting in this channel
[20:47:49] <fenn> i just need some transistors
[20:47:50] <Jymmm> fenn: Fine, go away and wind your own ---> http://www.toroid.com/standard_transformers/transformer_kits/transformer_kits.htm
[20:47:50] <skunkworks> or a big variac to get exactly what you want
[20:47:56] <jepler> transistors?
[20:47:59] <fenn> Jymmm: heh i thought about it
[20:48:06] <jepler> clearly I didn't understand the problem statement
[20:48:09] <fenn> but i wouldnt buy a stupid kit
[20:48:27] <fenn> real men make their own cores out of steel strapping
[20:48:37] <fenn> * fenn pounds on his chest
[20:48:38] <jepler> The King and Caroline
[20:48:38] <skunkworks> and fiber tape
[20:48:49] <jepler> oops
[20:49:14] <Jymmm> * Jymmm notices the pause in fenn's response (probably out of breath from beating his chest)
[20:49:34] <fenn> was i supposed to say something?
[20:49:35] <alex_joni> jepler: candles?
[20:49:49] <fenn> what does VCT mean.. like 24VCT transformer
[20:49:49] <Jymmm> fenn: Ug Ug Ug
[20:49:58] <Jymmm> center tap
[20:50:11] <Jymmm> 24Volt Center Tapped
[20:50:18] <Jymmm> 12-0-12
[20:50:34] <skunkworks> or 0-12-24 :)
[20:51:00] <Jymmm> skunkworks that not CENTER tapped though =)
[20:51:10] <Jymmm> well, ok it is, but OH SHUT UP!
[20:51:29] <skunkworks> :)(
[20:51:32] <Jymmm> lol
[20:52:40] <skunkworks> * skunkworks wonders why fenn hasn't found a nice 24v switching power supply surplus
[20:53:02] <fenn> i dont want to use a switching power supply
[20:53:24] <fenn> now that i know a little about their failure modes
[20:53:43] <skunkworks> you don't like 110 volts going into your circuit?
[20:53:49] <fenn> * fenn eyes the computer suspiciously
[20:54:24] <Jymmm> skunkworks: Joos stoooopid or what?!?!?! You didn't see when he was beating his chest?!?! He wants to mine for iron and copper ore, and forge his own core and copper wire! Eeeeeeesh.
[20:54:55] <fenn> yep the very best wire is hammered to shape
[20:55:16] <fenn> you're laughing now, but just wait until my army of gnomes wrecks your economy
[20:55:21] <skunkworks> the 5 volt supply in the emc2 computer is running my buffer card.
[20:55:25] <jepler> I. Hate. Gnome.
[20:55:45] <Jymmm> jepler you running kubuntu?
[20:55:51] <skunkworks> dont the new power supplys have 24 volts to the mother board now?
[20:56:12] <Jymmm> ATX 2.1 (iirc) is the specs on that.
[20:57:47] <skunkworks> if its any consolation - out of the hundreds of computer power supplies that have failed on me - only 1 has taken out the motherboard,
[20:57:51] <skunkworks> .
[20:58:02] <alex_joni> Jymmm: xubuntu
[20:58:21] <giacus> :-)
[20:58:30] <fenn> skunkworks: count yourself lucky
[20:58:41] <jepler> Jymmm: no, icewm
[20:58:47] <Jymmm> gcode M3 (is that spindle related)
[20:58:57] <Jymmm> jepler under ubuntu?
[20:59:16] <skunkworks> cw if I rember right m3 cw , m4 ccw , m5 stop
[20:59:18] <jepler> Jymmm: I installed ubuntu then made icewm my default
[20:59:21] <Jymmm> skunkworks ty
[20:59:27] <jepler> Jymmm: yes, m3 is for the spindle. see the quick reference I made: http://axis.unpy.net/files/gcode.html
[20:59:56] <Jymmm> jepler: I tried installing KDE, but it really didn't switch over.
[21:00:16] <Jymmm> There was just some KDE app I wanted to play with.
[21:00:39] <jepler> Jymmm: at the login screen there's a way to choose what "session" you want, which should have a kde option if you've installed the necessary packages. Otherwise, you can run a kde app on a gnome desktop and vice versa
[21:00:46] <jepler> (printable version: http://axis.unpy.net/files/01142603825/gcode.pdf)
[21:00:50] <jepler> and now I'm out of here .. see you guys
[21:01:05] <Jymmm> jepler Oh didn't know you could run kde app under gnome
[21:01:05] <fenn> ciaosky
[21:01:12] <Jymmm> jepler see ya
[21:01:21] <Jymmm> ~~~~~
[21:01:23] <giacus> Jymmm: :))
[21:01:26] <fenn> Jymmm: i usually run kde apps under icewm
[21:01:32] <fenn> its like 20x faster
[21:01:38] <giacus> that's the cool thing
[21:01:39] <fenn> dunno wtf kde is doing wrong
[21:01:58] <giacus> just some tray bar app could be an issue..
[21:02:00] <Jymmm> I just wanted to paly with that world clock... it can be set as the background.
[21:02:24] <Jymmm> shows a map of the world and where it's day/night
[21:02:45] <giacus> superkaramba ?
[21:02:54] <Jymmm> you know... the BIG sinewave in the sky =)
[21:02:59] <giacus> it run only under kde
[21:03:28] <Jymmm> giacus Yeah, I figured (being on the background of the desktop)
[21:03:49] <Jymmm> My TV tuner does the same thing... you can make the TV your desktop =)
[21:03:53] <giacus> but there's some alternative app right for that
[21:04:08] <giacus> I use TVtime
[21:04:10] <Jymmm> if there is I dont know about it.
[21:04:34] <giacus> also xawtv is nice
[21:05:46] <giacus> I just hate to move, resize, and adjust windows around the desktop
[21:05:57] <giacus> a good wm should do it for you
[21:06:20] <giacus> I also run fluxbox as light wm in vmware and its fine
[21:10:28] <giacus> running fast ! :)
[21:14:58] <giacus> Jymmm: I really don't like that feature (TV bacground), I run my tv on a small frame in the right botto corner of the screen. I heard it more then see..
[21:15:00] <alex_joni> g'night all
[21:15:08] <giacus> night alex_joni
[21:15:22] <giacus> when I see something of interesting I swith full screen
[21:15:41] <Jymmm> This is strange... I'm drilling a grid of holes spaced 2" apart. My max travel is 24", so what i did is shift the material to the left 6" so I can finish up the last 28". Now, when I started up the second half, it's over lapped by 2".
[21:16:10] <giacus> a nice thing is VLC for me, sending TV streaming on lan, laptop and other computers :)
[21:16:48] <Jymmm> I know how to fix it, but I don't understand why it needs to be set at 8" instead of 6"
[21:17:22] <bill203> maybe the program had some space before starting the first row?
[21:17:33] <giacus> the lenght of tool is ok ?
[21:17:56] <Jymmm> bill203 it did, but I layed out all the holes at the same time.
[21:18:29] <Jymmm> bill203 oh, you're right... I forgot about the "margin" (so to speak)
[21:18:44] <Jymmm> DUH! lol
[21:18:52] <giacus> :D
[21:19:14] <bill203> <-- good guesser
[21:19:34] <Jymmm> bill203 thanks, it was just bugging me WHY?!?!?! I've spend three days thinking this out, trying not to make any mistakes
[21:19:45] <Jymmm> s/thinking/planning/
[21:20:07] <Jymmm> and I STILL mucked it up (not perm damage)
[21:20:18] <Jymmm> just one extra hole
[21:21:02] <Jymmm> but, it's all good. Just something I have to take into consideration when I do the bottom piece
[21:21:23] <Jymmm> bill203 I doubt JUST a good guesser there =)
[21:23:54] <giacus> Jymmm: I'd say the guessers I like
[21:25:13] <Jymmm> Well, I reset the X to 8" instead of 6" and now it's 2 rows behind *sigh*
[21:25:56] <fenn> murphy read the logs and got tired of you talking trash behind his back
[21:26:33] <Jymmm> murphy is a dead man when I catch him!
[21:34:35] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/sim/axis.ini: interp faster
[21:38:29] <Jymmm> YAY!!!! all done with the top piece!!!
[21:39:10] <Jymmm> I really have to think/rethink the gcode when I know I'm going to be shifting the workpiece. Oh well, live and learn.
[21:39:27] <giacus> \o/
[21:39:33] <giacus> :)
[21:39:47] <Jymmm> well.... live and learn, then blame jacky
[21:40:35] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/images/axis.ngc: remove repeated lines
[21:41:17] <giacus> poor jacky
[21:43:43] <giacus> -10
[21:50:00] <giacus> -3
[21:52:55] <giacus> ven 2006-07-01 00:00 | wow !! I'm 38 !! :PP
[22:01:39] <Jymmm> giacus: YOU ARE TOO YOUNG TO USE LINUX, MUST BE AT LEAST 60!!!
[22:01:55] <giacus> a baby ! :D
[22:05:20] <K4ts> hello
[22:05:29] <giacus> hi K4ts
[22:06:08] <K4ts> tomorrow is birthday of giacus
[22:06:25] <giacus> K4ts: you meant today ?
[22:06:29] <giacus> :)
[22:06:37] <giacus> they know ..
[22:07:17] <giacus> I think Jymmm is preparing a cake
[22:08:27] <K4ts> yes
[22:08:40] <K4ts> Jymmm: how are you?
[22:08:59] <Jymmm> Yeah... a rust steel cake with an iron ore and 10W-40 frosting!
[22:09:14] <giacus> lol
[22:09:17] <Jymmm> K4ts better now... finsihed one piece I'm working on. and you?
[22:10:22] <CIA-8> 03cradek 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/ (configure.in configure): configure --help fix
[22:10:42] <K4ts> no Jymmm I'm holidays
[22:11:36] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/scripts/axis.py: (log message trimmed)
[22:11:36] <CIA-8> Fix the "feed override keys don't work the first time" bug:
[22:11:36] <CIA-8> "update idletasks" before doing all the vupdates. It seems that the scale gets
[22:11:36] <CIA-8> its variable changed immediately after it is set(), but the command= isn't
[22:11:36] <CIA-8> called until later (when the scale is being repainted). This "update" forces
[22:11:36] <CIA-8> the repaint to happen before the value is updated from the stat buffer. If the
[22:11:40] <CIA-8> "update" does call commands.set_feedrate() then the blackout period will apply.
[22:12:53] <K4ts> until september! wow
[22:19:53] <Jymmm> Just a 80GB laptop hdd alone costs $100 --> http://www.netaffilia.com/ad/electronics/frys/i/2006/06/30/17720.html
[22:57:36] <jepler> everyone wants CNC. http://www.engadget.com/2006/06/29/how-to-build-your-own-cnc-machine-part-1/
[22:57:52] <jepler> I was particularly impressed by their method of coupling the threaded rod to the motor shaft. blech!
[23:01:24] <giacus> hehe
[23:01:55] <skunkworks> acutally air hose and clamps work better ;) http://www.electronicsam.com/video/MVC-341W.MPG
[23:01:57] <Jymmm> jepler: You know, I see a LOT of those using "tubing", and I just don't get it
[23:02:23] <jepler> Jymmm: looks like you might be able to do a bit better than $100 for an 80G laptop drive, but I haven't compared the specifics: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.asp?Submit=ENE&N=1309721214&Subcategory=380&
[23:02:43] <jepler> they have a number of drives closer to $75, shipping on the order of $5.
[23:02:55] <Jymmm> jepler That was a comparision of a hdd alone -vs- a WHOLE laptop
[23:08:33] <K4ts> night
[23:09:00] <Jymmm> G'night K4ts
[23:09:11] <K4ts> ciao Jymmm
[23:09:18] <K4ts> :-)
[23:12:31] <Jymmm> lol... https://www.asseenontvnetwork.com/vcc/emson/mxzsaw/221327/
[23:14:00] <jokinha123456> hi there
[23:14:55] <jokinha123456> anyone out there?
[23:15:06] <jokinha123456> jokinha123456 is now known as nulix
[23:15:28] <giacus> who ?
[23:16:07] <nulix> hi giacus
[23:16:19] <giacus> hello nulix :)
[23:17:03] <nulix> are all the guy's asleep
[23:17:09] <nulix> ?
[23:17:11] <nulix> heheh
[23:17:24] <nulix> listen, i'm starting up fresh with emc2
[23:17:47] <giacus> I think someone of they is working
[23:18:17] <giacus> nulix: nice
[23:18:27] <nulix> what's the higgest traffic hours around here?
[23:18:52] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/emcstats/emc.html
[23:19:50] <nulix> I saw the paralell port DYI stuff, but it is going away
[23:19:57] <nulix> with new computers
[23:20:15] <nulix> they don't have those ports
[23:20:18] <nulix> so
[23:20:23] <nulix> i was wondering
[23:20:31] <nulix> if it would be possible
[23:20:37] <nulix> to go around that
[23:20:41] <nulix> therefore
[23:21:02] <nulix> a 'driver' for emc had to be built
[23:21:18] <nulix> can you point me in the right direction here?
[23:21:30] <nulix> some docs/sites would be great help
[23:21:49] <Jymmm> Talking
[23:21:50] <Jymmm> like
[23:21:50] <Jymmm> this
[23:21:52] <Jymmm> can
[23:21:52] <Jymmm> be
[23:21:53] <Jymmm> very
[23:21:55] <Jymmm> annoying
[23:22:00] <nulix> sorry
[23:22:17] <Jymmm> you can talkon a whole line, and it'll wrap around to multiple lines for you =)
[23:22:17] <giacus> nulix: sorry.. you might find my english isnt good
[23:22:21] <nulix> i was just hammering it down on the keyboard
[23:22:35] <giacus> do you wanna write a driver ? did I undertstand write ?
[23:22:35] <nulix> i'm portuguese
[23:22:55] <nulix> giacus, i might take a crack at it
[23:23:17] <giacus> right*
[23:23:19] <nulix> but first i nead to have some understanding
[23:23:23] <nulix> of emc
[23:23:39] <giacus> best way is too look at the source code and HAL components
[23:23:52] <giacus> you can download the source from CVS
[23:24:29] <giacus> the wiki is also useful for users
[23:24:40] <nulix> i'm not mutch of a coder, but i'm not alone in this, have some friends around who can help
[23:24:46] <nulix> :)
[23:24:47] <giacus> your start point would be linuxcnc.org
[23:25:15] <giacus> oh.. yeah, there are very clever developers around :)
[23:25:28] <giacus> many of they are busy too
[23:25:39] <nulix> lol
[23:25:50] <giacus> for small things the best way it to-do-by-yourself
[23:26:31] <nulix> are there any logs from this channel online? i mean, are they put online, like your stats?
[23:26:32] <giacus> however to drive a driver require low level programming knowledge
[23:26:46] <giacus> and lot of maths, electronics, etc .
[23:27:11] <giacus> is there a develepor channel
[23:27:16] <giacus> developers*
[23:27:32] <giacus> logger_aj: bookmark
[23:27:32] <giacus> See
[23:27:42] <nulix> well, we can do the interface, the controller, the biggest problem stands in the emc
[23:28:41] <giacus> this is an interesting and important question
[23:29:07] <giacus> there's a board director if you look at linuxcnc.org
[23:29:31] <giacus> they are mainly peoples to talk with
[23:30:18] <giacus> about that
[23:30:36] <giacus> there's also a Mailing List
[23:30:54] <nulix> i have been attenting both of them for about one year now
[23:31:06] <nulix> nt mutch attention on it though
[23:31:16] <nulix> the mailing lists i mean
[23:32:21] <giacus> dunno about it, I just receive 10-20 emails for day from it
[23:32:40] <giacus> since I subscribed it
[23:33:08] <nulix> i don't read it, just collect, sometimes some mail titles do catch my attention
[23:33:14] <nulix> and i dig it up
[23:33:33] <giacus> what would be the main idea about the projects to propose ?
[23:33:56] <giacus> alternative parport drivers ?
[23:34:10] <nulix> well, we just want to get EMC on serial and later on USB
[23:34:11] <giacus> USB ?
[23:34:24] <nulix> :)
[23:34:35] <giacus> this could be an heavy changes in the projecy I guess
[23:34:41] <giacus> You have an idea ?
[23:35:22] <giacus> many peoples talked abut USB and others here around
[23:35:22] <nulix> actually no, on the hardware point of view it is clear, on the EMC point of view, i don't have a clew
[23:35:42] <nulix> starting to dig in
[23:35:46] <nulix> :)
[23:36:38] <nulix> so there is no plan for it as far as you know?
[23:36:58] <giacus> for what I know, no
[23:37:07] <giacus> abut USB I meant
[23:37:18] <nulix> and for serial?
[23:37:43] <giacus> parport is the standard
[23:38:15] <fenn> tomorrow is birthday of giacus?!
[23:38:55] <giacus> fenn: yes! if tomorrow is today
[23:38:56] <fenn> maybe k4ts will get you a real cnc mill
[23:39:12] <giacus> hehe would be nice
[23:39:13] <fenn> or maybe she will get you a worthless animal you will have to take care of
[23:39:31] <fenn> a ravenous rabbit perhaps
[23:39:33] <giacus> I think she just will came here tomorrow
[23:39:45] <giacus> and I also have to pay a dinner :/
[23:39:49] <giacus> haha
[23:40:59] <giacus> no hope to get nice gifts as cnc
[23:41:10] <nulix> giacus: too bad
[23:41:11] <giacus> or stuffs
[23:42:20] <fenn> nulix: sounds like a nice project
[23:43:11] <fenn> nulix: what are you using on the hardware end?
[23:43:28] <fenn> *dont say pic dont say pic*
[23:43:34] <nulix> PIC
[23:43:35] <nulix> lol
[23:43:40] <fenn> aaarrrrrggghhh
[23:43:44] <nulix> they're cheap
[23:43:46] <giacus> :)
[23:43:51] <nulix> more like free...
[23:43:55] <nulix> samples
[23:43:56] <fenn> please do you and me a favor and use an avr..
[23:44:04] <fenn> i'll even pay the $2
[23:44:18] <nulix> my friend here also uses ATMega
[23:44:27] <fenn> yes atmega== avr
[23:44:56] <nulix> but PIC == $ free $
[23:44:59] <nulix> lol
[23:45:19] <nulix> i will send an email to the developers mail list
[23:45:20] <giacus> right
[23:45:27] <giacus> but cnc machine are not cheap
[23:45:48] <fenn> yeah you will be going to the doctor for repetitive strain injury from reaching for your wallet
[23:46:15] <nulix> with my thought's and wishe's and hope someone
[23:46:20] <fenn> even with "free" samples
[23:47:15] <nulix> will reply with some hints
[23:47:22] <fenn> * fenn has some really nice dsPIC samples sitting in his bench
[23:47:31] <nulix> nice
[23:47:58] <fenn> i'll probably never learn how to program them though
[23:48:07] <nulix> that's stupid
[23:48:16] <nulix> ask for samples and not using them
[23:48:17] <fenn> yes but who's fault is that
[23:48:21] <nulix> LoL
[23:49:01] <fenn> i will probably use icee's code actually
[23:49:05] <nulix> well, i'll have to call it a night, i will be back
[23:49:23] <fenn> buona notte
[23:49:31] <giacus> :)
[23:49:54] <nulix> thanks for the hints
[23:50:02] <nulix> and keep it rowling
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