#emc | Logs for 2006-06-18

[00:34:20] <A-L-P-H-A> 6/10/2006 - Hulk Sell Cars! Dont make Hulk mad! Buy new car from Hulk this weekend or Hulk will get really angry!
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[00:34:23] <A-L-P-H-A> oops
[00:34:30] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.break.com/movies/hulksellscars.html
[01:11:17] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/command.c: Modified incremental jog behavior: if jogging the complete increment would go past limit, ignore the command instead of jogging a partial increment
[01:17:32] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/emc/motion/control.c: change jogwheel handling to either jog a full increment, or not at all
[02:53:07] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.break.com/movies/silentlibrary67_Break.html Hilarious Japanese game show subjects contestants to fear factor challenges. Whats so hilarious about that? The whole contest takes place in a library so while they're getting slapped and being forced to eat an ice cream cone of wasabi they cant scream or cry at all. Brilliant.
[05:43:30] <A-L-P-H-A> <yawn>
[05:43:33] <A-L-P-H-A> where is everyone?
[05:57:32] <Jymmm> hiding?
[07:21:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 'lo
[07:27:52] <ValarQ> g'day
[08:02:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> cradek: your image to g-code program, that was mainly for smaller image, right?
[08:21:48] <fenn> right
[09:06:04] <alex_joni> smaller?
[09:12:47] <fenn> like 100x100 pixel image
[09:13:04] <alex_joni> really? didn't know that
[09:13:32] <fenn> each row of the image is a pass by the tool
[09:15:24] <alex_joni> oh, ok
[09:15:45] <alex_joni> I found some cheapish CAM for doze (MeshCam) which does it for any size pictures
[09:16:06] <alex_joni> but I really find Z-maps bad, if you don't spend a lot of time improving the image
[09:16:23] <fenn> yeah its no good for functional parts
[09:16:37] <fenn> for decorative stuff it's not that cool either
[09:28:04] <alex_joni> so fenn..what's up?
[09:28:09] <alex_joni> how's your hexapod :)
[09:28:14] <fenn> talking about tweels in ##electronics
[09:28:33] <alex_joni> tweels?
[09:28:38] <alex_joni> what are those?
[09:29:54] <fenn> airless tires
[09:30:00] <fenn> dunno where the word came from
[09:30:51] <alex_joni> heh.. ok
[09:31:04] <alex_joni> the ones with some funny inserts in them?
[09:33:28] <alex_joni> http://www.autoclub.com.au/uploaded_images/michelin-tweel-731147.jpg ?
[09:34:31] <alex_joni> whoa.. this is a nice jeep http://www.gizmag.co.uk/go/3599/
[11:16:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra_> hmm, did anyone else get disconnects?
[11:16:23] <alex_joni> nope
[11:16:44] <alex_joni> signon: Wed Jun 14 20:22:34
[11:16:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra_> mumblegrumbledslgrumble
[11:17:12] <alex_joni> try irssi+screen
[11:17:22] <alex_joni> IF you have a reliable server somewhere..
[11:18:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra_> hmm, not that I know of (none outside of my lan)
[11:18:51] <Lerneaen_Hydra_> oh, random question, what was the command to check for PCI adresses for external parports?
[11:18:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra_> not lspci but something else
[11:25:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra_> finally
[11:25:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra_> Lerneaen_Hydra_ is now known as Lerneaen_Hydra
[11:25:49] <fenn> this whole article series is pretty interesting (not just part 1): http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/free_matter_economy
[11:26:30] <fenn> http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/free_matter_economy_2 etc
[11:27:43] <Lerneaen_Hydra> fenn: do you remember the command to check for pci cards' adresses?
[11:28:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> rayh said something about an "real PCI addy in the EMC ini file", any idea of what that is?
[11:30:14] <fenn> lspci?
[11:30:38] <fenn> or dmesg or less /var/log/messages
[11:31:21] <fenn> are you adding a parport card? you might want to read the wiki page about netmos parport cards
[11:31:29] <fenn> under "supported hardware"
[11:32:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok. yes I'm adding a new card
[11:33:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, according to that it doesn't even need to follow the 0x2XX/0x3XX scheme
[11:34:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra> well well well,that would explain the "strange" adresses that lspci gave me
[11:37:33] <Lerneaen_Hydra> woo, dff0 is what it wanted
[11:37:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> the strange thing is that cat /proc/ioports didn't show it as parport1
[11:38:31] <fenn> i think /proc wont show anything if there is no kernel module for it
[11:38:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> to use two parports, all one does is have both listed in the start of the ini and then configure the pins as you want them?
[11:38:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> fenn: oh, ok
[11:39:13] <fenn> yep, that's how i understand it (never done it though)
[11:41:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> fenn: is there any graphics card that would be better or worse to have (currently I'm running integrated but I'm having RT-issues). Since I
[11:42:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra> since i'm going to use the standard drivers anything should work, right?
[11:42:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> (well, maybe not a vodoo 2, but I digress)
[11:43:38] <fenn> well pretty much any video card will work
[11:44:09] <fenn> even nvidia/ati cards, if you arent using the binary drivers
[11:49:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra> fenn: ooh, ok
[11:59:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra> fenn: what defines what is parport 0 and 1, the order in which they are loaded? hardware?
[12:00:20] <fenn> the order they are loaded
[12:11:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> any idea of which card would be best? an "ati rage pro turbo agp" or a "sis 6326 agp"
[12:11:38] <fenn> the cheaper one
[12:12:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I have both in a box in front of me ;)
[12:13:32] <fenn> well get crackin
[12:14:25] <fenn> * fenn flogs Lerneaen_Hydra with an inflatable cat-o-nine tails
[12:14:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I'll take the ati becuase I know it works
[12:14:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra gets working
[12:48:07] <alex_joni> * alex_joni jawns
[13:11:52] <giacus> hello :)
[13:12:01] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/files/0001.png
[13:12:07] <giacus> added some stuff
[13:12:36] <giacus> guys, if anyone can help I can put the blend project in my website
[13:12:51] <giacus> happy to share it with you
[13:13:08] <giacus> just download it and add stuff as you like
[13:13:15] <giacus> :D
[13:14:02] <alex_joni> giacus: nice
[13:14:29] <giacus> I notice some strange effect in 3D
[13:14:54] <giacus> the motor on the cnc is aligned to the gear box
[13:15:14] <giacus> in a 3D view it looks back
[13:15:30] <giacus> its an optical effect I think
[13:15:48] <giacus> looking from the top is it aligned
[13:15:53] <giacus> it is*
[13:16:11] <giacus> same for the server farm
[13:17:06] <alex_joni> server farm is nice now
[13:18:11] <giacus> a bit better
[13:18:19] <giacus> but not enough yet ..
[13:19:54] <giacus> the blend file is on the way
[13:21:18] <kerry_> kerry_ is now known as rayh
[13:21:33] <giacus> hi rayh !
[13:21:40] <fenn> giacus: how long did it take you to do anything in blender without fussing about for hours?
[13:21:43] <rayh> Hello giacus
[13:22:09] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/files/emc.blend
[13:22:18] <giacus> you need Blender 2.41
[13:22:34] <fenn> giacus: i want to know if i should learn blender or not
[13:22:37] <giacus> please let me know if you add funny stuff :D
[13:22:41] <fenn> giacus: brlcad is pissing me off
[13:23:02] <fenn> and blender is pissing me off too, but it seems like it has a lower learning curve
[13:23:03] <giacus> fenn: try it, it's the only way to know if you like or not
[13:23:06] <giacus> :)
[13:23:29] <giacus> it seems can do nice things
[13:23:48] <giacus> interface is not standard
[13:24:03] <fenn> that's for sure
[13:24:03] <giacus> a bit of pratice is required
[13:24:32] <giacus> try it, you can download the binary
[13:24:39] <fenn> yes i have it
[13:24:44] <giacus> good
[13:24:48] <fenn> havent put the energy into it yet
[13:24:59] <giacus> hehe
[13:25:03] <fenn> that's why i wanted an estimate of how many hours it took you to learn it
[13:25:12] <fenn> because of the stupid interface
[13:25:24] <fenn> why do people make stupid interfaces?
[13:25:28] <giacus> interface is very powerful as well
[13:25:33] <fenn> yeah yeah, i think it sucks
[13:25:39] <giacus> intensive use of keyboard
[13:26:07] <fenn> yeah check out brlcad!
[13:26:17] <fenn> 90% command line
[13:26:49] <giacus> I halso had some issue with it
[13:27:26] <giacus> since i'm using ion and lot of keys combitantion are already used by it ..
[13:27:45] <giacus> ALT, CTRL, etc ..
[13:28:33] <fenn> dammit windows should be managed by the window manager
[13:28:56] <fenn> but people with stupid ideas about interfaces shove them down your throat
[13:29:08] <giacus> fenn: reading at the blender wiki, some day is enough to learn the base concepts of 3D modelling
[13:31:15] <fenn> giacus: part of the problem is i am already too familiar with 3d modeling with "standard" interfaces
[13:31:30] <fenn> but i no longer have any of that software (and if i did it would be useless anyway)
[13:31:33] <giacus> I like the armature stuff and lattice
[13:31:43] <giacus> you can animate a model as you want
[13:31:49] <fenn> i dont want to animate a model
[13:31:58] <fenn> i want to make cad models and simulate them
[13:32:09] <fenn> but blender is designed for making cartoon penguins dance
[13:32:21] <alex_joni> fenn: try catia ;)
[13:32:22] <fenn> that's why so far i've stayed away from it
[13:32:26] <fenn> alex_joni: send it right over :)
[13:32:41] <alex_joni> try dc++
[13:32:41] <fenn> its only what, $12k?
[13:33:36] <fenn> i dont want to use catia
[13:34:11] <fenn> i want a good, standard, common, easy to use, GPL'd client that is intended for CAD/CAM use
[13:35:00] <alex_joni> let me know when there is one ;)
[13:35:22] <fenn> i'll let you know when it approaches the usability threshold
[13:35:33] <fenn> there are a lot of half-baked projects out there
[13:35:39] <alex_joni> "good, standard, common, easy to use, GPL'd"
[13:35:48] <fenn> i can define each of those if you want
[13:35:56] <alex_joni> nope, I agree with you
[13:36:06] <alex_joni> but let me know when there is one that fits all those ;)
[13:36:13] <alex_joni> as I haven't seen any..
[13:36:23] <fenn> well, standard is sorta a combination of easy to use and common
[13:36:37] <alex_joni> also using standard interfaces
[13:36:38] <fenn> and good doesn't mean muchh
[13:36:52] <fenn> there arent any standard interfaces though
[13:37:01] <fenn> unless you mean user interfaces
[13:37:02] <alex_joni> g-code output, dxf/stl in
[13:37:16] <alex_joni> also tons of others
[13:37:17] <fenn> ok, but that is only a small subset of the data
[13:37:23] <alex_joni> right
[13:37:28] <fenn> did you look at that article link i posted?
[13:37:31] <fenn> about narya.net
[13:37:33] <alex_joni> briefly
[13:37:47] <alex_joni> should be working on a presentation now :(
[13:38:17] <fenn> basically they want the cad model, tolerance, and functional specifications all in the same file to be bid on in a reverse-ebay process
[13:38:29] <fenn> or possibly to use with automatic quote generating software
[13:39:20] <fenn> buyer puts up a specification, contractors bid on it
[14:06:32] <giacus> compressed file is here: http://www.giacus.org/files/emc_blend.tar.gz
[14:06:52] <giacus> I forgot to gzip it before ..
[14:07:11] <giacus> 4 mb dsl ! :D
[14:26:44] <an0n> an0n is now known as anonimasu
[14:27:10] <alex_joni> hi swedes
[14:27:19] <anonimasu> hello
[14:27:29] <anonimasu> I have a ballscrew mounted now :)
[14:28:00] <alex_joni> nice
[14:32:17] <anonimasu> i've got lots of pics
[14:32:45] <anonimasu> :)
[14:33:01] <anonimasu> I'll post them at www.io23.net later today
[14:33:09] <anonimasu> when I boot the work laptop :)
[14:34:44] <alex_joni> io23 seems down
[14:35:05] <anonimasu> oh shit..
[14:35:11] <anonimasu> :/
[14:35:21] <anonimasu> remembered it my connect is down
[14:35:25] <anonimasu> i'll fix a backup in a bit
[14:37:25] <anonimasu> turning threads were surprisingly simple
[14:37:31] <anonimasu> the only hard thing is that I lack a dro :)
[14:48:30] <anonimasu> but dial gauges work :)
[14:59:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> dro?
[14:59:54] <alex_joni> digital read out
[15:00:00] <alex_joni> big numbers showing position
[15:00:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, yeah
[15:00:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> so anonimasu turned the threads in a manual lathe?
[15:10:28] <anonimasu> yeah :)
[15:11:18] <anonimasu> Lerneaen_Hydra: needed to have a ballnut mount that were extremely straight
[15:11:27] <anonimasu> straight/in line with the rest of the stuff
[15:11:51] <anonimasu> and on my other machine I welded a nut there with the correct threads..
[15:12:28] <anonimasu> since I have brand new ballscrews I didnt feel like doing the same..
[15:12:55] <anonimasu> thoose were new too but I didnt have stuff to turn threads :)
[15:14:04] <anonimasu> Lerneaen_Hydra: how's stuff going with your lathe?
[15:14:19] <anonimasu> Im converting mine as soon as I have the mill running
[15:30:20] <fenn> if you started welding on that precision swiss machine i'd reach through this console and do bad things to you
[15:32:16] <anonimasu> yeah ;)
[15:32:25] <anonimasu> oh I didnt weld the other one either
[15:32:31] <anonimasu> just on the mounting plate
[15:33:24] <anonimasu> I am pondering if I should start a robot thread at cnczone
[15:33:54] <fenn> yuk
[15:34:22] <anonimasu> but it might be better not to
[15:34:24] <fenn> you will get a lot of "me too" but nothing of substance, that's my prediction
[15:35:07] <anonimasu> yeah probably
[15:35:26] <fenn> * fenn is anti-cnczone have you noticed? :)
[15:35:36] <anonimasu> oh so am I..
[15:36:11] <anonimasu> but I feel like throwing my palns around a bit
[15:39:00] <anonimasu> err plans that is
[15:48:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> anonimasu: It's actually progressing quite well
[15:49:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra> currently I'm adding jogwheels, external estop, and a spindle on/off button and relay
[15:50:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra> after that I should only have the spindle encoder left
[15:51:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra> and that's just a matter of getting some mounting brackets that can hold my..uh..what are they called, opto readers? (same device as in a ball computer mouse)
[15:56:49] <ottos> gents..
[16:00:44] <anonimasu> ah ok
[16:00:44] <anonimasu> nice
[16:01:12] <anonimasu> my my mill is inertia matched..
[16:01:52] <anonimasu> the inerta at the motor shaft ends up the same with the higher tpi screws les had as a suggestion and the gearings
[16:02:02] <anonimasu> as my screws I have now and direct drive
[16:02:03] <anonimasu> :)
[16:02:18] <anonimasu> 0,00065 vs 0,00064 or something like that
[16:02:37] <anonimasu> and I can ignore the inertia of the reduction :)
[16:14:26] <fenn> sounds like a good deal
[16:15:47] <ottos> no meeting today?
[16:16:45] <fenn> i think the regular sunday meetings have been out of fashion for the last year or so
[16:17:13] <fenn> but what do i know
[16:17:30] <fenn> i cant really tell the difference between a regular meeting and normal irc blather anyway
[16:20:43] <ottos> I'm wondering does anyone have any docs that touch on finetuning of traj / system planner, and overall timing?
[16:21:10] <ottos> graphs / examples anything is good...
[16:22:42] <alex_joni> hello ottos
[16:23:03] <alex_joni> ottos: it would be best to start by searching through the mailing list archives
[16:23:22] <alex_joni> there have been some discussions of the above
[16:25:02] <fenn> ottos: the default cycle_time is way too high
[16:25:07] <fenn> i dont know why it's so hihg
[16:25:14] <alex_joni> fenn: it has been reduced
[16:25:17] <alex_joni> at least in HEAD
[16:25:23] <fenn> probably the old lookahead planner needed a lot more time to calculate stuff
[16:25:40] <fenn> whereas now we've sorta pushed a lot of that stuff into userspace
[16:26:40] <ottos> ok.. will do some digging..
[16:27:07] <alex_joni> ottos: posting a message to the dev list, seldom remains unanswered
[16:28:44] <ottos> sorry to ask all the time querstions about the traj planner, lookahead, but it's the only thing that bothers me on my mahcine is jerky movements..
[16:28:57] <alex_joni> bbl
[16:30:49] <ottos> did anyone make some tests on max block processing speed on a given machine clock..?
[16:33:44] <ottos> ok back to the lab.. thankx..
[16:36:20] <A-L-P-H-A> who's got ops? someone change the topic to 2.0.1
[16:38:11] <fenn> doh he left
[16:38:40] <fenn> well anyway if he looks at the dev list i just posted what i woulda said anyway :P
[16:49:58] <alex_joni> alex_joni has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - a linux based CNC control. | EMC2.0.1 is out .. | Home: www.linuxcnc.org | wiki up @ wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: www.frappr.com/emc2/
[16:50:50] <A-L-P-H-A> thanks
[16:51:14] <alex_joni> yw
[16:51:28] <alex_joni> thanks for pointing it out ;)
[16:55:32] <fenn> some programmers are too smart for their own good
[16:55:55] <alex_joni> fenn: ?
[17:05:26] <A-L-P-H-A> bored.
[17:06:26] <fogl> hello
[17:06:40] <A-L-P-H-A> olleh
[17:07:23] <fogl> i am cinfiguring emc and when i move one axis manualy, i get "jount 0 following error"...what thoes this mean?
[17:08:28] <A-L-P-H-A> is there feedback?
[17:08:36] <alex_joni> fogl: this means the motion controller didn't expect the axis to move
[17:08:42] <alex_joni> or it didn't move as it should have
[17:08:51] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni, he moved it manually.
[17:09:49] <fogl> what feedback...these are steppers motors
[17:11:24] <A-L-P-H-A> so no encoders... odd then.
[17:11:56] <alex_joni> fogl: what do you mean "when i move one axis manualy"
[17:12:14] <A-L-P-H-A> by hand, like turning a wheel, or with the jogging feature?
[17:12:20] <fogl> no
[17:12:44] <fogl> with emc, but not running the g code
[17:13:28] <A-L-P-H-A> fogl, the more details you give us the better.
[17:13:36] <fogl> a selected a manual contorl (axis interface) and clicked on + button
[17:13:52] <A-L-P-H-A> and AJ, take it away!
[17:14:28] <fogl> AJ?
[17:15:40] <A-L-P-H-A> AJ = alex_joni
[17:17:52] <cradek> fogl, can you post your .ini on emc.pastebin.com?
[17:18:41] <cradek> with steppers a following error means you have a misconfiguration, we just have to figure out what it is
[17:18:54] <A-L-P-H-A> fogl... version of EMC would be good too. :)
[17:19:26] <A-L-P-H-A> Anyone notice that rapping your fingers against a hard surface, causes your fingernails to grow faster?
[17:19:30] <cradek> yes, I assumed you are using 2.0.1, but it's best to ask
[17:19:39] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: no
[17:19:50] <A-L-P-H-A> hmm... maybe it's just me.
[17:19:57] <cradek> A-L-P-H-A: could be...
[17:20:58] <fenn> warm temperatures make them grow too
[17:21:04] <A-L-P-H-A> winter too.
[17:21:53] <alex_joni> pulling on them with pliers helps too
[17:23:11] <fogl> here is my .ini file http://pastebin.dyndns.org/295
[17:24:02] <alex_joni> STEPGEN_MAXVEL is wrong
[17:24:11] <cradek> yep
[17:24:12] <alex_joni> you need to put that higher than MAXVEL
[17:24:38] <cradek> can your machine really move 100mm/sec??
[17:25:15] <A-L-P-H-A> 10cm a sec. wow. that's fast.
[17:25:20] <cradek> and you have 33000 steps per mm??
[17:26:13] <cradek> that's a step rate of 3MHz which is totally unobtainable with software step generation
[17:27:04] <A-L-P-H-A> I should take a look at jepler's ini generator, and use improve it.
[17:35:53] <fogl> what is this STEPGEN_MAXVEL...i dont find the explonation in user handbook?
[17:37:27] <A-L-P-H-A> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?SandBox
[17:37:40] <A-L-P-H-A> search then in that page, stepgen_maxvel
[17:38:14] <A-L-P-H-A> fogl, what version are you using?
[17:39:09] <fogl> testing 2006 04 09
[17:39:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra> cradek: when using a parport pin as an input, what type of circuitry do you need? floating for 1 and pull down for 0? or something else?
[17:39:55] <cradek> I use pullup to +5v, and the switch to ground
[17:40:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> cradek: is there computer +5V that's easy to take from something?
[17:40:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra> USB maybe?
[17:41:14] <cradek> that's the problem - for me it's always been available from outside the computer somewhere
[17:42:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra> cradek: oh, ok. I'm doing this in a control box, and I want ground to be common for both. maybe USB is viable, I need +5 for my jogwheels too, so that may be a good choice
[17:42:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra> can one just take a usb cable and jack into the outermost contacts to get +5 and ground?
[17:42:43] <cradek> yeah it seems like usb could work, or just run a power connector out the back of the machine
[17:42:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> and if so, then ground for USB and for parport should be common?
[17:43:01] <cradek> yes I think so (to both)
[17:43:09] <cradek> but I've never done it that way
[17:43:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I'll test with my voltmeter
[17:43:43] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I have completely removable cables everywhere so I think usb would be quite good to have there
[17:44:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Any idea of how much current you can take? IIRC you got a low base current, and if the device requests more it can get more
[17:45:10] <cradek> I think there are low current and high current USB devices, but I don't know anything more than that
[17:45:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ok
[17:46:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra> still, a few mA should be safe. the pullup for ttl is 3.3kohm at 5V which would give 1.5mA, and my encoders take 10mA each, so a total of under 50mA.
[17:46:56] <cradek> right, I'm sure that's fine
[17:47:38] <cradek> the new jogwheel stuff works very well, I set mine up yesterday
[17:47:52] <cradek> and it works well with axis now
[17:48:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ooh, sounds nice
[17:48:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I'll have to cvs&compile when I finish my jogwheels
[17:55:57] <giacus> hello
[17:56:08] <giacus> cradek: did you write a book ?
[17:56:19] <alex_joni> giacus: ?
[17:56:26] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/files/0001.png
[17:56:51] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/files/axis_front.png
[17:57:10] <giacus> wonder if I'm violating any (c)
[17:57:16] <giacus> O_O
[17:57:25] <alex_joni> giacus: it's spelled AXIS not Axis ;)
[17:57:55] <giacus> uppercase ?
[17:58:03] <alex_joni> yup
[17:58:04] <giacus> :)
[17:58:04] <fenn> usb can supply 500mA
[17:58:25] <alex_joni> fenn: from one port
[18:03:11] <giacus> brasil won again
[18:03:14] <giacus> hello dmessier
[18:03:16] <dmessier> Hi all... is anything installable on the live ubuntu CD... my laptop sounds like its in an oops loop
[18:03:16] <anonimasu> hello
[18:03:45] <dmessier> FRED was on for under 3mins... SCORED.. ; )
[18:03:47] <giacus> hi anonimasu
[18:04:06] <anonimasu> I'll be back in 5 minutes
[18:05:09] <dmessier> i just watched the match
[18:05:46] <giacus> me too
[18:06:00] <dmessier> austrailia played well... brazil played well better...
[18:06:17] <giacus> with a bit of luck ..
[18:06:39] <giacus> 6 points in 2 match's
[18:06:46] <giacus> good start
[18:06:53] <dmessier> very...
[18:07:08] <dmessier> i still like Croatia...
[18:07:28] <giacus> yeah, Spain and Argentina too
[18:08:04] <dmessier> croatia... played some of the CLEANEAST football last wee i have EVER seen
[18:09:14] <giacus> dmessier: have any parallel port on the laptop ?
[18:09:24] <dmessier> ohhh my laptop just woke up... been 30 minutes to install some guitar tab sware
[18:09:34] <dmessier> yes 1
[18:09:46] <giacus> nice
[18:09:52] <giacus> old laptop ?
[18:10:04] <dmessier> DELL lattitude
[18:10:20] <dmessier> P3
[18:10:34] <dmessier> 1.8 or so
[18:10:38] <giacus> good
[18:10:57] <dmessier> not if it wont come home... ; (
[18:11:09] <dmessier> ohh... icons.. ; )
[18:13:45] <dmessier> me son just got their butts fed to them 6-4.. and still got a trophy..
[18:16:02] <giacus> :)
[18:16:07] <anonimasu> iab
[18:16:17] <anonimasu> dmessier: what software
[18:16:18] <anonimasu> +
[18:16:23] <anonimasu> guitar pro is great btw
[18:19:08] <dmessier> i cant even see the options any more....
[18:19:55] <dmessier> my son loved utumbu when he could log onto MSN
[18:20:22] <anonimasu> hehe
[18:20:26] <dmessier> then he spotted add programs...and so the sagga goes
[18:22:04] <dmessier> found somethin' that let him d/load guitar tabs and edit them... and play them... so i expect its grabbing all the dependencies.. ; )
[18:22:24] <dmessier> but how long could it take??
[18:23:30] <anonimasu> no idea
[18:23:46] <alex_joni> "EMC1 and the variant with BDI is more stable and thus there
[18:23:47] <alex_joni> are more options to getting it up and running."
[18:23:53] <dmessier> a day??
[18:24:21] <alex_joni> aiee.. some people will never get it
[18:24:56] <anonimasu> who says that?
[18:24:58] <anonimasu> paul
[18:25:00] <anonimasu> ?
[18:26:58] <alex_joni> nope
[18:27:14] <alex_joni> some guy (David Frantz) on the dev list
[18:27:55] <anonimasu> heh
[18:27:59] <anonimasu> did he try emc2?
[18:28:03] <anonimasu> *checks mail*
[18:34:42] <giacus> Subject: *****SPAM***** Re: [Emc-users] (no subject)
[18:34:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hejhej
[18:35:08] <giacus> hello Lerneaen_Hydra
[18:38:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: that sure was a strange post on the mailing list (I got it on the users list too)
[18:45:35] <chinamill> Hej Lerneaen_Hydra
[18:46:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra> chinamill: god afton
[18:50:09] <dmessier> its callled songwrite... i just got a whole lot back...
[18:52:26] <Jymmm> dmessier: A-L-P-H-A has been looking for you for a couple days.
[18:57:38] <dmessier> thx... Jymmm... have him call me..
[19:03:08] <dmessier> my calls in... tag hes it.. ; )
[19:15:21] <etla> anyone here ?
[19:23:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra> sort of
[19:23:27] <etla> do you know a lot about servo systems ?
[19:23:49] <Lerneaen_Hydra> heh, next to nothing
[19:24:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> sorry, you'd better wait for someone who knows more about them. IIRC jmkasunich knows about them
[19:24:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I'm more stepper orientated (ATM)
[19:24:33] <fenn> you'd better just ask and see what answer you get
[19:24:52] <etla> what kind of "lock" range, in encoder counts, should I expect ?
[19:25:07] <fenn> what do you mean "lock" range?
[19:25:13] <etla> i.e. I twist the shaft by hand, and before the PID loop starts correcting there is a bit of "play"
[19:25:33] <cradek> that's mostly the deadband setting
[19:25:47] <fenn> oh, deadband should be about 1 or 2 encoder counts
[19:25:50] <etla> now I get about +/- 80 encoder counts
[19:25:52] <cradek> also, too low an I in your tuning will make it sluggish to respond
[19:26:58] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: what strange mail?
[19:27:17] <etla> +/- 80 encoder counts is probably too much ??
[19:27:58] <fenn> yes
[19:35:00] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: the one you were talking about
[19:47:28] <Jymmm> I need to sand some acrylic with 200grit. Do you think if I used a 3500 RPM bench grinder and slapped the sandpaper on it, that it'll fuber the plastic?
[19:49:22] <Jymmm> fubar
[19:59:00] <anonimasu> hm
[20:09:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 3500rpm sounds a bit much IMO
[20:10:20] <anonimasu> why not a vibratory thingy?
[20:10:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra> If it's a small piece and you cool it enough maybe it would work...
[20:10:28] <anonimasu> ~
[20:11:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra> anonimasu: not the vibrator, the 3500rpm
[20:11:15] <anonimasu> yeah, but why not one?
[20:12:04] <anonimasu> dont 95% of all households have one
[20:12:05] <anonimasu> :)
[20:12:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what?
[20:12:20] <anonimasu> not a grinder, a um sander
[20:12:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, yeah, that would probably work
[20:12:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> depending on how bad it is though you could just do it by hand. (glass, water, soap and grit)
[20:15:48] <Jymmm> way too many surface feet todo by hand.
[20:16:08] <Jymmm> plus needs to be square... no round overs
[20:16:50] <Jymmm> aka poor mans disc sander
[20:17:19] <Jymmm> just not sure on the RPM's
[20:17:50] <anonimasu> Jymmm: it'll work with the right feed
[20:18:08] <Jymmm> lol
[20:18:34] <Jymmm> so would walking thru the propeller of an airplane =)
[20:18:44] <anonimasu> try ?
[20:18:50] <Jymmm> you first =)
[20:18:52] <anonimasu> surely you have a material sample..
[20:19:06] <anonimasu> 6500 is fast ;)
[20:19:12] <Jymmm> 3500
[20:32:21] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: what do you mean?
[20:36:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: you wrote that ""EMC1 and the variant with BDI is more stable and thus there are more options to getting it up and running." some guy (David Frantz) on the dev list", then I said that the same person had posted a similar reply on the normal, users, weblist
[20:37:45] <alex_joni> I might have confused what list it was
[20:37:52] <alex_joni> I get them both in the same place ;)
[20:38:06] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: oh, ok
[20:38:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that would explain things
[20:38:28] <alex_joni> ;)
[20:38:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> heh, the time from when I first said something to when I explained it was rather large, 2 hours. ;)
[20:39:13] <alex_joni> yeah, I watched a movie in the mean time
[20:39:27] <Lerneaen_Hydra> haha
[20:42:32] <Jymmm> alex_joni: Power Puff Girls
[20:45:17] <fogl> hello, can someone tell me, what are these errors i am getting every time i move one axis: http://pastebin.dyndns/296
[20:45:23] <alex_joni> Jymmm: now quite
[20:45:24] <fogl> please
[20:45:55] <alex_joni> fogl: yes, your machine is not configured properly
[20:46:10] <alex_joni> and emc can't keep up with what you are requesting
[20:46:19] <alex_joni> fogl: you have max speed of 100mm/sec
[20:46:25] <alex_joni> and 30000 pulses / mm
[20:46:43] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ... that's a bit too much
[20:46:46] <fogl> not any more
[20:46:56] <alex_joni> fogl: can you post the ini?
[20:47:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> g'night everyone.... *yawn*
[20:48:55] <fogl> http://pastebin.dyndns.org/296
[20:49:00] <fogl> http://pastebin.dyndns.org/297
[20:49:52] <alex_joni> ok, it seems you started with an inch ini and adapted ;)
[20:50:02] <alex_joni> but there are some things there that don't quite make sense for mm
[20:50:11] <alex_joni> FERROR = 0.050
[20:50:12] <alex_joni> MIN_FERROR = 0.010
[20:50:19] <alex_joni> 0.01 mm is tiny
[20:50:45] <alex_joni> and at 40 pulses / mm you only can do 0.025
[20:50:56] <alex_joni> I would recommend 0.1 and 0.5 or so
[20:51:22] <fogl> any idea?
[20:51:52] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wonders if he's talking alone
[20:52:58] <alex_joni> fogl: increase FERROR and MIN_FERROR
[20:55:54] <fogl> sorry...i was disconected, any adia wat is wrong with this http://pastebin.dyndns.org/296 (this are the errors i get) http://pastebin.dyndns.org/297 (my ini file)
[20:56:01] <alex_joni> fogl: increase FERROR and MIN_FERROR
[20:56:26] <alex_joni> by a factor of 10
[21:02:13] <fogl> this is better now...now i get this error onl when i move one axis manualy in continuous mode...and when i relese the + button
[21:02:29] <alex_joni> increase it a bit more
[21:05:12] <alex_joni> bbl
[21:07:12] <fogl> is there a way to change the ini file while emc is running, or should i restart emc every time i change ini file?
[21:23:44] <kerry_> kerry_ is now known as rayh
[22:28:45] <K4ts> HELLO
[22:29:00] <jmkasunich> HI! ;-)
[22:29:19] <K4ts> HI LES
[22:29:25] <cradek> HI JMK
[22:29:34] <cradek> BUT WHY ARE WE YELLING?
[22:29:36] <K4ts> sorry
[22:29:42] <K4ts> ahah
[22:30:11] <K4ts> g night
[22:31:38] <jmkasunich> hi cradek
[22:31:41] <cradek> hi
[22:32:44] <cradek> why do I always read the news? I hate the news
[22:33:00] <jmkasunich> can't stop yourself eh?
[22:33:05] <cradek> nope
[22:33:39] <cradek> hmm, don't cut up a bunch of garlic and then pick your nose
[22:33:45] <jmkasunich> lol
[22:34:09] <jmkasunich> they should teach that in cooking school
[22:34:15] <cradek> definitely
[22:35:11] <jmkasunich> so whacha making? if it has garlic in it it must be good
[22:35:24] <cradek> done and eaten already
[22:35:46] <cradek> I got potatoes, turnips, radishes, onions at the farmers market (no old-people jokes please)
[22:35:56] <cradek> also rosemary and dill
[22:36:03] <jmkasunich> and garlic
[22:36:12] <cradek> well, had that
[22:36:14] <cradek> lots of it
[22:36:32] <cradek> made a biscuit "crust" and put it on top of the whole works and baked it
[22:36:44] <jmkasunich> pot pie!
[22:36:51] <cradek> it was really very good.
[22:36:54] <cradek> yeah, kind of
[22:36:58] <jmkasunich> sounds like it
[22:37:47] <jmkasunich> too hot here to be baking anything
[22:38:04] <cradek> I never buy stuff like turnips at the store, but when I see locally-grown ones at the market they look good
[22:38:09] <jmkasunich> although I would make an exception if "anything" was "brownies" ;-)
[22:38:38] <cradek> that's what central air is for! also I have a new-ish oven that doesn't seem to heat the house at all
[22:38:59] <jmkasunich> we have central air, but the oven just makes it work harder
[22:39:06] <cradek> yeah brownies would be nice. I never seem to make desserts (probably a good thing too)
[22:39:21] <jmkasunich> I'm in the basement where its nice and cool (almost chilly)
[22:39:30] <jmkasunich> but I was outside for several hours earlier
[22:39:34] <cradek> yeah basement workshops are very nice in the summer.
[22:39:57] <cradek> and in the winter I just put a space heater right nearby
[22:40:12] <jmkasunich> ours isn't bad in the winder
[22:40:15] <jmkasunich> winter
[22:40:38] <cradek> it'd be better here if I'd fix the seals on the doors etc.
[22:40:52] <jmkasunich> I installed a furnace register in the main hot air duct, in the winter I open it
[22:41:04] <jmkasunich> pumps heat into the basement, then it rises to heat the rest of the house
[22:41:22] <jmkasunich> in the summer I close it, then duct tape over it to seal it good
[22:41:37] <cradek> I hate home maintenance, but I sure like having one
[22:41:45] <jmkasunich> yeah
[22:41:52] <jmkasunich> beats the heck out of an apartment
[22:42:10] <cradek> apartments are fine for eating and sleeping, but not so good for a lot of hobbies
[22:42:34] <jmkasunich> definitely not good for hobbies that make chips
[22:42:45] <cradek> or noise
[22:43:24] <jmkasunich> machining isn't really that noisy
[22:43:49] <jmkasunich> now if your other hobby is playing drums....
[22:43:58] <cradek> before I replaced the spindle motor on my little mill, I wore earplugs full-time when using it
[22:44:04] <cradek> it was terrible
[22:44:11] <jmkasunich> oh, high speed stuff
[22:44:36] <cradek> I guess, if you call that high speed
[22:44:53] <cradek> but yeah, good machinery, like my "large" lathe, isn't very loud
[22:45:30] <cradek> hmm, I should ask LH to add a threading canned cycle on that wiki page he wrote
[22:45:53] <cradek> I bet I could whip that together if he'd figure out how it should work
[22:47:41] <jmkasunich> I gotta figure out what to work on
[22:47:46] <cradek> me too
[22:47:55] <jmkasunich> got a lot of machining to do, so I don't want to get into major emc stuff
[22:48:00] <cradek> there's several things I want to do, but I'm too scattered to start on them
[22:48:01] <jmkasunich> focus on little things instead
[22:48:19] <cradek> you're making more parts like the ones you did before?
[22:49:15] <jmkasunich> got an order for 2 CIM jigs
[22:49:24] <jmkasunich> probably 100-120 hours of work
[22:49:33] <cradek> eek
[23:05:28] <Jymmm> CIM jigs?