#emc | Logs for 2006-06-16

[00:00:31] <les_w> well, I'm tired...things that I wanted to happen today didn't...think i'll go to the music room.
[00:01:21] <SWPadnos> have fun. I'm listening to "The Samples" at the moment - wuite soothing, with the farm sounds in the background :)
[00:01:28] <SWPadnos> s/wuite/quite/
[00:02:03] <les_w> I played music to many italian women on paltalk group yesterday
[00:02:08] <les_w> not today though
[00:02:15] <SWPadnos> heh
[00:02:33] <les_w> later!
[00:02:37] <SWPadnos> see you
[00:23:39] <Jymmm> Will the NEXT Mrs Les, please stand up!
[00:36:53] <fenn> SWPadnos: cncuser made puppy-emc
[00:37:25] <SWPadnos> ah right - one of those names that begins with 'c'
[00:48:40] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/files/0002.jpg
[00:48:47] <giacus> also the lathe is done LOL
[00:49:07] <giacus> just need some motor .. :)
[00:58:42] <minimess>
[00:58:56] <minimess> 8-|)
[01:03:48] <Rugludallur> Do you guys know of a way to inverse multiplex signals ? I need to use the feedback from a stepper position feedback for more than just the axis feedback and I am unable to hook up more than one signal to stepgen.0.position-fb or axix.0 feedback
[01:04:22] <cradek> you can hook a signal to many inputs
[01:04:41] <cradek> but it can only have one output (writer) hooked to it
[01:05:22] <Rugludallur> I tried hooking more than one signal to stepgen.0.position-fb but I only get data on one of the signals
[01:06:07] <cradek> you misread what I said
[01:06:17] <cradek> you can hook a SIGNAL to many INPUT PINS
[01:06:23] <cradek> think of a wire on a circuit board
[01:06:28] <cradek> the wire is the signal
[01:06:33] <Rugludallur> yup, so one signal can have multiple inputs
[01:06:47] <SWPadnos> on - only one input *to* the signal
[01:06:59] <SWPadnos> one pin can write, many can read
[01:07:16] <cradek> write pin -> signal -> (read pin, read pin, read pin)
[01:07:26] <Rugludallur> ahh ok thanks
[01:07:50] <cradek> welcome
[01:20:40] <Rugludallur> This is great, I now have a working basic Torch Height Control, thanks again :D
[01:20:57] <cradek> wonderful
[01:21:12] <Rugludallur> I will post once i have initial piece and homing sequences
[01:21:20] <Rugludallur> pierce and homing :D
[01:23:56] <Rugludallur> good night
[01:35:55] <fenn> one pin to rule them all, one pin to find them
[01:39:59] <cradek> oooooooooo
[01:40:12] <cradek> the new jogwheel stuff is so slick
[01:58:17] <cradek> but it's making me put shameful shameful things in AXIS
[01:58:58] <fenn> what, like a preferences screen?
[01:59:10] <cradek> not that shameful
[01:59:18] <cradek> :-P
[02:05:18] <cradek> os.system("halcmd sets jogx %d" % (i == 0))
[02:05:18] <cradek> os.system("halcmd sets jogy %d" % (i == 1))
[02:05:18] <cradek> os.system("halcmd sets jogz %d" % (i == 2))
[02:05:54] <fenn> yep pretty shameful
[02:06:14] <fenn> but, why is halui stuff going into axis?
[02:06:25] <cradek> it's not - jeff will shoot me if I check it in
[02:07:07] <cradek> I don't have enough inputs for jogwheel=X/Y/Z/off buttons
[02:07:29] <cradek> this makes it switch axes when I pick them on the manual tab
[02:08:54] <jepler> cradek: looks like you'll be working on the serial interface soon
[02:09:14] <cradek> whaddya mean? mine works
[02:09:28] <fenn> heh bitbanging i2c in hal would be cool
[02:09:34] <jepler> src/hal/drivers/hal_dpp.c
[02:09:42] <jepler> I started a userspace serial module
[02:10:25] <jepler> dpp was to mean "dumbest possible protocol"
[02:10:27] <cradek> cool
[02:10:34] <cradek> haha
[02:10:51] <cradek> hal_dumbserial.c?
[02:11:16] <cradek> I only found one "bug" in jogwheel, but I suspect it was a design decision, I wonder if I should "fix" it
[02:11:25] <cradek> while jmk is away :-)
[02:11:28] <jepler> hah
[02:12:17] <cradek> last time I did that, he complained but left my change
[02:12:41] <jepler> dpp uses an 8-bit communication layer with a simple packet protocol: if bit 7 is set, it's the first byte of the packet, else it'a s non-first byte. packets are a fixed number of bytes, set in the hal module.
[02:13:02] <jepler> of course, it doesn't actually have anything to talk to yet
[02:13:24] <cradek> that does sound like the simplest possible
[02:14:05] <cradek> or, how about the first byte (with high bit set) says how many bytes of data follow
[02:14:27] <cradek> or is that less simple
[02:14:29] <jepler> I reasoned that you might as well fix the packet size because you need to create that many pins
[02:14:32] <cradek> it lets you have variable packet sizes
[02:14:42] <jepler> also it lets you allocate the buffer ahead of time
[02:14:47] <jepler> which is important
[02:14:49] <jepler> in realtime
[02:14:52] <cradek> true
[02:15:35] <fenn> i think any kind of serial protocol will require a hal component that is a bit more sophisticated than just exposing chunks of the packet
[02:16:14] <jepler> certainly dpp won't work with any existing hardware
[02:17:04] <jepler> dpp just presents 7 * nbytes of 'bit' pins
[02:17:25] <jepler> so it's fine for buttons and switches
[02:17:36] <fenn> maybe you could build protocol features into separate functions, and then control the protocol by adding the functions to different threads
[02:18:23] <jepler> something like the "weighted sum" module for the mazak toolchanger
[02:19:30] <fenn> each byte would be read/write only?
[02:20:06] <jepler> right now dpp is input-to-emc only (e.g., the hal pins are writers)
[02:20:21] <fenn> the thing i never understood about serial protocols.. if it starts with a zero, how does the other side know that you're sending any data?
[02:20:23] <jepler> but I imagined the same protocol would be output, maybe with a different packet length
[02:20:34] <cradek> the start bit
[02:20:43] <fenn> so you always start with a 1?
[02:20:43] <jepler> fenn: rs232 has a "start bit", which I think has the same voltage as a "1" bit
[02:20:50] <fenn> ok
[02:21:19] <cradek> I agree the whole thing seems somewhat unlikely to work
[02:21:29] <jepler> so the voltages seen on the wire when transmitting the byte 'bbbbbbbb' would correspond to 1dddddddd0. the 1 and 0 are the start and stop bits
[02:21:41] <jepler> so, how do you resynchronize?
[02:21:44] <jepler> I don't know
[02:21:50] <cradek> hope for a pause between bytes
[02:22:16] <jepler> yeah, if there are zeros for 8 bit times, the next one would be a start bit
[02:22:21] <cradek> yes
[02:25:18] <jepler> a miracle if it actually works
[02:25:39] <cradek> agreed
[02:25:46] <jepler> you mean the internet^W^Wuucpsphere was dependent on things that worked like this, except they turned the 1s and 0s into different frequency waveforms instead of just voltages?
[02:27:15] <cradek> don't pretend like you're too young to remember that world
[02:28:19] <fenn> * fenn snickers
[02:29:08] <cradek> hmm, I sure did fail to fix the "bug"
[02:30:12] <cradek> I recall that scheme sure went wrong when my mom picked up the phone and yelled ARE YOU ON THAT COMPUTER AGAIN?
[02:30:27] <cradek> AND WE WERE HAPPY TO HAVE IT
[02:30:30] <cradek> hahaha
[02:31:49] <fenn> it went wrong every time someone called the phone line you were using
[02:32:03] <cradek> nope, not me, they got a busy signal
[02:32:32] <cradek> we didn't even have touch tone - call waiting was an unimaginable luxury
[02:32:40] <fenn> why do internet radios have station identification?
[02:33:05] <cradek> tradition maybe?
[02:34:51] <cradek> people are used to it, and they want to seem like radio stations
[02:37:56] <jepler> http://www.cricut.com/information/cricutmachinepdfs.aspx
[02:40:01] <cradek> provo craft cricut?
[02:40:13] <cradek> my brain really wants that to say "circuit"
[02:41:05] <jepler> it's a CNC paper cutting machine with integrated control
[02:41:24] <jepler> my brain has the same problem, btw
[02:41:58] <fenn> can you connect it to a computer if you want to?
[02:42:23] <jepler> fenn: not as manufactured
[02:42:34] <fenn> thats kinda weird, no?
[02:43:18] <jepler> it makes sense when you realize they want to charge you $$$ for each new font cartridge
[02:43:27] <jepler> rather than let you, say, use any truetype font on your PC
[02:43:47] <fenn> ah. i wasn't even thinking about using it for letters
[02:43:49] <jepler> also, middle-aged women would be intimidated if it hooked up to a computer
[02:44:28] <jepler> it looks like you buy little cartridges with a selection of a few dozen symbols
[02:45:38] <fenn> i dont understand "crafty" people
[02:45:47] <fenn> if you're gonna make something yourself, at least make it yourself
[02:46:51] <fenn> why do people use absolute paths in scripts?
[02:47:07] <jepler> fenn: to make the directory independent of the location where it's invoked?
[02:47:13] <fenn> like /usr/bin/sh instead of just "sh"
[02:47:24] <jepler> you can't have relative paths in the #! of a script
[02:47:38] <fenn> ok, but what about the rest o the script?
[02:47:43] <jepler> without tricks like #!/usr/bin/env python which is nearly as bad as the disease
[02:48:38] <jepler> goodnight guys
[02:49:31] <fenn> byes
[02:50:48] <cradek> I still don't understand what it does
[02:50:59] <fenn> cuts stencils out of paper
[02:51:03] <cradek> you type letters but it shows cut-out flowers and hearts?
[02:51:17] <fenn> and there are symbol packs too(?)
[02:52:49] <cradek> I wonder how it cuts
[04:58:34] <Jymmm> Gentlemen... and I use that term lightly.
[05:07:58] <fenn> * fenn socks jymmm one in the kisser!
[05:09:06] <Jymmm> HA! Missed boitch!
[05:09:11] <Jymmm> =)
[05:09:44] <Jymmm> how ya doin fenn?
[05:10:15] <fenn> i'm boring, how are you?
[05:11:18] <Jymmm> doin ok now, took me forever to take a pic of my latest. Not enough room here to setup lighting properly.
[05:12:33] <Jymmm> I need to find some better light bulbs. Even the halogen ones I bought are giving off a yellow hue.
[05:13:16] <Jymmm> There's a specialty light bulb store across town I think I'm gonna need to check out.
[05:13:43] <fenn> get the blue-tinted "full-spectrum" bulbs (they arent really full spectrum btw)
[05:14:00] <fenn> or just use photoshop - sheesh
[05:14:17] <Jymmm> I saw some at home depot, but low lumens.
[05:14:31] <fenn> thats because the blue tinting absorbs 20% of the light :P
[05:15:25] <Jymmm> there are times I can take a few hundred photos at a time, I'm not photoshopping all of them.
[05:15:49] <fenn> eh - you know about batch mode right?
[05:16:05] <Jymmm> you can't batch mode removign shadows
[05:17:50] <fenn> oh i just meant for the white balance
[05:18:18] <fenn> i wonder if les has some of these: http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C
[05:19:06] <Jymmm> $485 for a knob?! OUCH
[05:19:37] <fenn> they're made for a $7000 potentiometer :P
[05:20:28] <fenn> you'd think for $7,000 they could use real granite instead of 'granito MDF"
[05:22:56] <fenn> http://www.aurant.com/signaturefeature.php
[06:25:00] <alex_joni> morning all
[06:45:37] <A-L-P-H-A> hi
[06:45:41] <alex_joni> what
[06:45:44] <alex_joni> what's up?
[06:45:52] <A-L-P-H-A> I was like... huh? that was rude.
[06:46:50] <alex_joni> lol.. sorry ;)
[06:46:53] <alex_joni> it's early
[06:47:05] <A-L-P-H-A> and its late here
[06:47:08] <A-L-P-H-A> sleep now
[08:54:43] <alex_joni> * alex_joni yawns
[09:18:31] <alex_joni> at least something usefull comes out of PC's : http://dsplabs.utt.ro/~juve/blog/index.cgi/photography/01150448158
[09:23:59] <alex_joni> err.. not that one ;)
[09:24:13] <alex_joni> http://www.ezprezzo.com/crazypics/computer_parts.html
[11:24:44] <anonimasu> hello
[11:31:18] <alex_joni> hi
[11:31:24] <anonimasu> what's up?
[11:31:29] <alex_joni> not much
[11:32:29] <anonimasu> I just got home
[11:33:53] <giacus> hello
[11:40:37] <giacus> alex_joni: http://www.giacus.org/files/gnu-tux.dxf
[11:42:19] <alex_joni> giacus: doesn't really look right here.. but maybe it's my software :D
[11:42:57] <giacus> or maybe the format used to export :(
[11:43:21] <alex_joni> wait.. it seems ok
[11:43:22] <giacus> as dxf is it only one
[11:44:37] <alex_joni> heh.. Crossroads (some freeware I have) has .c as an export format :D
[11:45:14] <alex_joni> Point3 X1_X2_Cube_001_vertex[] = {
[11:45:14] <alex_joni> { 0.745311, -0.893012, -6.661890}, { 0.692389, -0.984952, -6.661890}, { 0.492729, -1.152486, -6.661890},
[11:45:17] <alex_joni> { 0.468168, -1.125563, -6.661890}, { 0.552494, -0.853405, -6.187418}, { 0.301196, -1.064269, -6.187418},
[11:45:20] <alex_joni> and so on ;)
[11:45:36] <giacus> nice
[11:45:52] <giacus> blender has additional pluging in python
[11:45:58] <giacus> plugins*
[11:46:13] <giacus> I should check for it
[11:47:08] <giacus> seen an X3D too, extensible 3D format
[11:47:20] <giacus> no idea about what it is ..
[11:48:20] <giacus> a common format should be povray for blender
[11:49:56] <giacus> I added a lathe yestarday to the scene http://www.giacus.org/files/0002.jpg
[11:50:23] <giacus> going to add furnitures and wall around the scene now :D
[11:53:32] <giacus> if the result will be good , it could be used as intro for the videoclips and maybe some image as wallpaper ..
[11:54:37] <giacus> have to find the way to move the camera in a circle yet ..
[11:54:45] <giacus> around the scene
[11:57:23] <alex_joni> can you save as STL ?
[11:58:22] <giacus> yeah
[12:00:07] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/files/gnu-tux.stl
[12:00:16] <alex_joni> thx
[12:00:24] <alex_joni> hmm.. only 84 bytes?
[12:00:43] <alex_joni> Binary STL output from Blender: /home/jack/gnu-tux.stl
[12:00:46] <alex_joni> that's it ;)
[12:01:12] <giacus> wrong ?
[12:01:16] <alex_joni> yup
[12:03:01] <giacus> I forgot to select all mesh before export I think ..
[12:03:07] <alex_joni> heh
[12:03:17] <giacus> check it again
[12:03:21] <giacus> same url
[12:03:36] <alex_joni> nope.. still wrong
[12:03:39] <alex_joni> it's too small
[12:03:46] <alex_joni> ahh.. now
[12:03:56] <alex_joni> 1.1MB
[12:06:30] <giacus> I'll try to add an armature to the mesh
[12:06:38] <alex_joni> it seems ok
[12:06:43] <giacus> good
[12:06:47] <alex_joni> my MeshCAM is doing something .. it seems ;)
[12:06:57] <alex_joni> although I have little experience with it ;)
[12:07:54] <giacus> the foots are not joined to the rest of the penguin
[12:08:12] <giacus> dunno if you have to group the mesh ..
[12:08:24] <giacus> to get closed vertices
[12:09:02] <giacus> thery are separated to get the penguin walking on the scene ..
[12:11:23] <alex_joni> I have no idea what I am doing right now :D
[12:11:30] <alex_joni> maybe cradek wakes up soon ;)
[12:11:44] <giacus> K ..
[12:11:56] <giacus> going for a bath now .. later
[12:13:48] <cradek> I'm awake, sort of
[12:14:15] <cradek> yay, it's friday
[12:14:19] <alex_joni> hi chris
[12:14:30] <alex_joni> can you load the dxf in toolpath?
[12:14:38] <alex_joni> http://www.giacus.org/files/gnu-tux.dxf
[12:15:20] <cradek> no it won't work, toolpath only loads 3DFACEs
[12:15:26] <cradek> this has some kind of mesh
[12:15:32] <alex_joni> oh.. how about STL?
[12:15:39] <cradek> maybe it could be exploded in autocad
[12:15:42] <alex_joni> I think that's with triangles
[12:16:02] <cradek> I know how to convert ascii stl to dxf
[12:16:08] <cradek> but not binary stl
[12:16:22] <alex_joni> yeah, I remember ;)
[12:16:56] <cradek> I have to get ready for work, I'll be back later
[12:17:02] <alex_joni> ok..
[12:18:17] <cradek> I just had a thought - it would be pretty easy to load images into toolpath
[12:18:47] <alex_joni> heh.. if you say so ;)
[12:19:02] <cradek> not sure how they would be represented on-screen, but it could easily generate paths from the height map
[12:19:11] <cradek> people always seem to want that
[12:19:13] <cradek> bbl
[12:21:00] <skunkworks> morning
[12:23:02] <les_w> morning!
[12:33:55] <alex_joni> morning les
[12:43:42] <alex_joni> les_w: can you help me with some stuff?
[12:44:18] <alex_joni> I have an 3D tux (7.8" X, 11.546" Y, 5.558" Z)
[12:44:27] <alex_joni> what tool should I use to mill it?
[12:44:52] <alex_joni> for the roughing pass, and then for the finish pass?
[12:46:00] <alex_joni> I suspect ballmill would be ok, but what size, and what flute diameter & length, and shaft diameter, and overall length, and feedrate & plunge rate & stepover, & depth / pass :D
[12:46:44] <giacus> alex_joni: I'd try with 6 mm ballnose for roughing and 3 mm for finish
[12:46:57] <alex_joni> giacus: I need inches :D
[12:47:21] <alex_joni> 0.236" for roughing, 0.1" for finish?
[12:47:37] <giacus> I think so
[12:47:52] <alex_joni> how about flute data?
[12:47:59] <giacus> it also depend on the size of the model
[12:48:00] <alex_joni> diameter, length, ...
[12:48:35] <alex_joni> hmm.. MeshCAM seems nice
[12:48:42] <alex_joni> it has Sherline-EMC post processor :D
[12:49:02] <giacus> could be ok for roughing for a large size model
[12:49:32] <giacus> for good details I'd use 3 mm ballnose as I sayd
[12:50:10] <alex_joni> anyone wants to try the nc?
[12:50:57] <giacus> I can't right now .. my cnc 'rip'
[12:51:44] <giacus> alex_joni: how big is ?
[12:51:53] <alex_joni> hang on ;)
[12:52:04] <alex_joni> 3MB
[12:52:14] <giacus> no, I mean as size
[12:52:24] <alex_joni> < alex_joni> I have an 3D tux (7.8" X, 11.546" Y, 5.558" Z)
[12:52:38] <alex_joni> pretty big :D
[12:52:39] <giacus> should be a cube I suppose
[12:52:57] <giacus> big cube
[12:53:07] <alex_joni> 200 x 293 x 141 mm
[12:53:18] <giacus> nice
[12:53:28] <giacus> I could machine it later
[12:53:32] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/gnu-tux2.tgz
[12:53:42] <giacus> my cnc work area is 30x30 cm
[12:53:50] <alex_joni> heh.. perfect ;)
[12:55:57] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/gnu-tux2.nc
[12:56:00] <alex_joni> uncompressed
[12:57:08] <alex_joni> less gnu-tux2.nc | wc -l
[12:57:08] <alex_joni> 219001
[12:57:27] <giacus> how many pass on the toolpath ?
[12:57:38] <alex_joni> no idea ;)
[12:57:45] <alex_joni> I think 1 for roughing and 1 for finishing
[12:57:46] <giacus> O_O
[12:57:48] <giacus> lol
[12:57:57] <alex_joni> my AXIS is at home:)
[12:57:57] <giacus> few I think ..
[12:58:32] <alex_joni> try to load it in AXIS if you can
[12:58:48] <cradek> Near line 219001 of /home/cradek/gnu-tux2.nc: File ended with no percent sign
[12:59:18] <alex_joni> then put one there
[12:59:19] <alex_joni> duh
[12:59:20] <alex_joni> :D
[12:59:33] <alex_joni> * alex_joni runs home
[12:59:43] <alex_joni> I'll be back later, and can redo it (scale, different tool, etc)
[12:59:49] <skunkworks> cradek: post a picture? :)
[12:59:56] <alex_joni> * alex_joni wants one too..
[13:00:14] <cradek> still trying to load it, may be a bit
[13:00:48] <alex_joni> put an M2 at the end
[13:00:54] <alex_joni> I think
[13:01:03] <cradek> I added a % to match the opening %
[13:01:07] <alex_joni> ahh.. ok
[13:01:10] <alex_joni> does it load?
[13:02:44] <alex_joni> darn.. I really need to run..
[13:02:46] <alex_joni> bbl
[13:03:12] <cradek> hmm, this is not very good
[13:04:39] <cradek> http://timeguy.com/cradek-files/emc/tuxcrap.png
[13:04:40] <cradek> bbl
[13:07:18] <skunkworks> wow - that looks scary
[13:08:39] <skunkworks> run time 8.9 hours :)
[13:11:32] <skunkworks> hey - how come there isn't an estimated run time in axis?
[13:11:43] <skunkworks> or is there......
[13:12:08] <skunkworks> wouldn't that be a smop? :)
[13:13:28] <skunkworks> * skunkworks knows patches are welcome
[13:26:20] <cradek> for each segment you have V/A/length, so you could make a pretty good runtime estimate
[13:28:24] <skunkworks> right
[13:28:55] <jepler> http://blog.modernmechanix.com/2006/06/15/tiniest-tube-paves-way-for-wrist-watch-radio/
[13:31:15] <skunkworks> wow
[13:31:32] <skunkworks> I always wanted the tv watch.
[13:32:02] <cradek> that takes way too many tubes
[13:32:36] <cradek> haha, did you read to the punch line at the end? Now they need a battery!
[13:33:01] <skunkworks> yes :)
[13:34:56] <cradek> there were actually mass-market miniature tubes (but larger than the photo and with a traditional construction) that were used for pocket-sized hearing aid amplifiers
[13:35:17] <jepler> I really like that website
[13:35:23] <jepler> the past is so silly in retrospect
[13:35:26] <cradek> yeah it's really neat
[14:18:53] <jepler> hello again!
[14:29:57] <jepler> here's another interesting approach to path simplification: http://softsurfer.com/Archive/algorithm_0205/algorithm_0205.htm#Douglas-Peucker%20Algorithm
[14:31:25] <anonimasu> jepler: that looks awfylly close to that I suggested when we were talking blending
[14:31:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hi
[14:33:01] <jepler> It probably gives slightly better results than my method, but you have to wait to get "all the points"
[14:33:34] <anonimasu> yeah
[14:33:55] <anonimasu> you can do it to a batch of points, if you can feed the tp in packs
[14:35:41] <anonimasu> but as I dont really understand the tp working I might just be talking crap :)
[14:38:57] <Lerneaen_Hydra> so, what happens in the world of EMC?
[14:40:00] <jepler> Lerneaen_Hydra: cradek's got a jog wheel now, so you can look forward to better AXIS/jogwheel interaction in the near future.
[14:40:04] <jepler> that's the only thing I know of
[14:40:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ooh, sounds promising
[14:40:19] <cradek> it works *great*
[14:40:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> maybe that will be done in time for my jogwheels ;)
[14:40:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what is it that's controlable?
[14:40:41] <cradek> jogging
[14:40:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> anything in hal?
[14:40:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, so no feedrate/rpm adjustment?
[14:41:24] <cradek> I think you could do that, but I don't really care about it
[14:41:57] <cradek> well not sure about feedrate
[14:42:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> is it a hal pin thing?
[14:42:11] <cradek> well, simple matter of programming?
[14:42:19] <cradek> the motion controller has jogwheel inputs
[14:42:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok
[14:43:10] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what is it that controls the grainularity?
[14:43:19] <Lerneaen_Hydra> one step gives how much movement
[14:43:59] <jepler> the HAL pins are: jog-counts jog-enable jog-scale
[14:44:00] <cradek> it's all hal pins
[14:44:02] <jepler> one for each joint (I think)
[14:44:05] <cradek> right
[14:44:10] <jepler> I don't know if it's in joints or axes
[14:44:14] <cradek> joints
[14:44:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> btw, I thought of something that would be nice to implement in axis/emc, in the touch-off feature it would be nice to be able to write X5 or Z0, so that the letter would set which axis it's applied to (rather than the selected axis, as it is now)
[14:45:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra> are those pin settings in standard pinout.hal?
[14:45:37] <cradek> brb
[14:46:01] <jepler> I don't think the jog-xxx pins are hooked up in any of the sample configs
[14:46:08] <jepler> I found the pin names by using halcmd show
[14:48:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> is it a goal in EMC to be able to control everything externally and not via a GUI?
[14:49:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> (ok, not everything, loading programs and so on are via GUI, but program run, stop, feedrates and so on)
[14:50:13] <jepler> yes, that's the purpose of halui
[14:50:52] <jepler> there's a lot of work yet to be done, though
[14:51:04] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that's understandable
[14:54:24] <robin_sz> meep?
[14:59:38] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/scripts/axis.py: switch to mdi and manual whenever the tab is shown and the machine isn't in estop or auto mode
[14:59:39] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/tcl/axis.tcl: switch to mdi and manual whenever the tab is shown and the machine isn't in estop or auto mode
[15:00:06] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/rs274/interpret.py: use fewer segments on arcs
[15:00:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> meep
[15:00:28] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/extensions/emcmodule.cc: average speed over a larger number of samples
[15:01:29] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/rs274/glcanon.py: reduce number of glLoadName calls when generating the list for selection, and slightly reduce the amount of python code executed by adding an extra glBegin so that there's no need to test for being in a glBegin()
[15:07:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra> jepler: woo, less bloat (not that emc is bloated as it is now, but still, woo!)
[15:08:15] <anonimasu> :)
[15:08:16] <anonimasu> nice
[15:19:17] <jepler> it probably makes only a small difference, but I noticed that files with lots of arcs took quite a bit longer to load than I expected. the last two changes may improve that a bit.
[15:19:29] <jepler> er, 2 of the last 3 changes
[15:19:34] <jepler> the first two are for jogwheels, of course
[15:26:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra> jepler: nothing happens when moving jogwheels while running a program, right?
[15:27:30] <jepler> Lerneaen_Hydra: yes, in addition to jog-enable having to be 1, there are other internal checks
[15:27:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> jog-enable?
[15:27:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> some axis variable?
[15:28:33] <jepler> the HAL pin
[15:28:41] <jepler> * jepler waves his hands wildly
[15:29:52] <alex_joni> jepler: lol ;)
[15:30:14] <alex_joni> * alex_joni misinterprets jeplers actions and waves back
[15:32:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ah.
[15:32:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what enables/disables that pin by default?
[15:32:50] <jepler> nothing
[15:33:06] <jepler> you have to hook stuff up to it
[15:33:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, so axis does it's own disabling of jogwheels when running programs?
[15:33:16] <jepler> no
[15:33:22] <alex_joni> that's emc's internals
[15:33:37] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: to be able to jog with a jogwheel you need 3 things
[15:33:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ah, ok
[15:33:40] <alex_joni> 1. a jogwheel ;)
[15:33:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> check
[15:33:50] <alex_joni> 2. to enable the jog-enable pin
[15:33:59] <alex_joni> 3. have emc2 in a state where it wants to be jjogged
[15:34:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok
[15:34:09] <alex_joni> e.g. no program running, etc
[15:34:15] <jepler> alex_joni: thank you
[15:34:18] <alex_joni> machine on, estop reset, you know..
[15:34:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra> in which state does it want to be jogged? manual movement?
[15:34:20] <alex_joni> jepler: np ;)
[15:34:34] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: I think that it needs to be in position
[15:34:40] <alex_joni> not moving, and no command either
[15:34:41] <jepler> it's (3) that I was addressing in axis---now, when the F3 tab is shown and no program is running, axis will switch right away into mdi mode
[15:34:54] <alex_joni> jepler: yay ;)
[15:34:59] <jepler> er, manual mode. before, axis would wait until the last possible moment to switch to manual mode
[15:35:01] <alex_joni> eventually you'll switch over to the dark side
[15:35:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra> mdi? is that what you want for jogwheels?
[15:35:11] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: no
[15:35:15] <jepler> I meant manual
[15:35:16] <jepler> I wrote mdi
[15:35:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra> then why... *reads more of jepler's stuff*... ah. ok
[17:07:53] <bpmw> Hi Guys
[17:08:18] <bpmw> Cradek you there?
[17:10:02] <Bo^Dick> hi
[17:11:39] <bpmw> Hi Bo^Dick, you good with linux
[17:16:36] <bpmw> Anybody know what package i'm missing for Ubuntu to have MS filesystems to be able to mount, specifically the floppy drive?
[17:18:34] <bpmw> cat proc filesystem does not show any sign of any MS file system.
[17:19:26] <skunkworks> we used samba I think
[17:19:53] <Bo^Dick> bpmw: i don't know how unbuntu looks like but on debian the floppy symbol is visible on the desktop if i remember correctly
[17:20:37] <bpmw> I could too except my network is down for a few days until tech can come out to fix it.
[17:21:23] <skunkworks> sorry - I miss read and thought you where looking at connecting to it over a network.
[17:21:56] <skunkworks> On a side note - I have had some odd issues that formating the floppy on the ubuntu machine solved.
[17:23:08] <skunkworks> then they seemed to read consistanly on both ms and ubuntu.'
[17:23:16] <bpmw> skunkworks, does that enable you to put windows files on it?
[17:23:24] <skunkworks> yes
[17:23:28] <bpmw> Question answered
[17:24:09] <bpmw> Great, I'll give that a try when i get home tonight, Thanks.
[17:24:58] <bpmw> Hopefully my network will be back up Saturday afternoon and this won't be an issue!
[17:29:18] <bpmw> MESSAGE FOR CRADEK, Your install of EMC2 has now been running for 4 months flawlessly!! And thanks for the easy install method. Vern...
[17:29:53] <skunkworks> yes - agreed
[17:30:07] <skunkworks> (not a linux person)
[17:30:25] <bpmw> Have a great Day! bye got to go!
[17:39:37] <alex_joni> heh.. another happy customer ;)
[17:47:21] <Bo^Dick> is someone intrested to join me with my stepper motor driver design?
[17:47:45] <alex_joni> Bo^Dick: not me..
[17:51:05] <dmessier> allo all
[17:52:49] <Bo^Dick> i expect someone who is intrested in the subject and doesn't already have excellent drivers
[17:53:28] <skunkworks> Bo^Dick: have you built one yet?
[17:53:31] <dmessier> what subject??
[17:57:25] <Bo^Dick> the thing is that i've got a magnificient stepper driver on the drawing board but i haven't built it yet
[17:57:45] <Bo^Dick> dmessier: it's about stepper motor drivers
[18:00:55] <dmessier> ok ..
[18:01:25] <dmessier> is it BETTER than anything else out there for the $$$$
[18:04:12] <Bo^Dick> the is ony one catch
[18:04:22] <Bo^Dick> except that it is really better than those
[18:04:29] <Bo^Dick> ...and a lot cheaper too
[18:09:16] <jepler> good afternoon all
[18:09:45] <jepler> this "cgal" library seems to have code that is relevant to 2.5d cam .. http://www.cgal.org/Manual/3.2/doc_html/cgal_manual/Straight_skeleton_2/Chapter_main.html
[18:10:05] <jepler> e.g., the method to start with a polygonal boundary of a pocket and find the paths to mill it out
[18:10:44] <jepler> it's got a confusing qpl / lgpl / commercial triple license, though
[18:13:12] <cradek> looks very interesting
[18:13:52] <cradek> I'd like to see someone write some filters for axis
[18:14:51] <Bo^Dick> wonder if digikey shippes to sweden
[18:14:57] <dmessier> look very slick...
[18:15:12] <Bo^Dick> they're cheap but what about the shipping cost
[18:15:31] <dmessier> apt could paramatize most of that..
[18:15:50] <dmessier> but who can write the post...
[18:16:51] <dmessier> my old post generator only works on a 486... with dos 6.1 i believe
[18:17:14] <dmessier> i dont have a box to run it on any longer
[18:17:34] <jepler> you could probably run that in qemu or vmware
[18:17:47] <cradek> qemu runs freedos fine
[18:18:54] <dmessier> ive got a zip of the whole system if someone wants to try??
[18:19:08] <jepler> no thanks
[18:19:25] <dmessier> YOU ever seen APT
[18:20:09] <alex_joni> cradek: got some better toolpaths.. wanna check?
[18:20:50] <dmessier> PL0=PLANE/0,0,1,0
[18:20:50] <dmessier> PLC=PLANE/PARLEL,PL0,ZLARGE,150.
[18:20:50] <dmessier> PLT=PLANE/PARLEL,PL0,ZLARGE,50.5
[18:20:50] <dmessier> PLB=PLANE/PARLEL,PL0,ZLARGE,25.
[18:20:50] <dmessier> RAPID,GO/ON,LX,PLC,LY
[18:20:50] <dmessier> INDIRV/0,-1,0
[18:20:52] <dmessier> RAPID,GO/ON,LY,PLT,PAST,LX
[18:21:39] <cradek> eeeeek
[18:21:51] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/gnu-tux3.tgz
[18:22:01] <dmessier> very COOL for parametric stuff
[18:22:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Bo^Dick: I think they do, but the shipping was quite a bit 300-500kr IIRC
[18:22:38] <cradek> alex_joni: those are more reasonable sizes!
[18:22:48] <alex_joni> yeah, but that's only finishing pass
[18:22:54] <alex_joni> the other was also roughing
[18:22:56] <skunkworks> pictures :)
[18:23:02] <alex_joni> and I probably messed up the number of passes
[18:23:26] <alex_joni> the nice thing is that it does a 3D tux (top & bottom)
[18:23:37] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: which program+
[18:23:42] <dmessier> didnt you verify the g-code..LOL
[18:24:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I have a post for edgecam, though I doubt you're using that
[18:24:13] <alex_joni> MeshCAM
[18:24:25] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I take it you used the .dxf?
[18:25:03] <alex_joni> the STL
[18:25:09] <dmessier> i have an edgecam demo cd...
[18:25:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> stl?
[18:25:15] <alex_joni> MeshCAM looks fairly nice..
[18:25:20] <alex_joni> 60 days demo
[18:25:23] <dmessier> makes code dont post
[18:25:43] <alex_joni> but I think you guys need to tell me saner defaults for a ballmill
[18:25:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> could you send the stl?
[18:25:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> default what? speed/depth/rpm?
[18:25:58] <dmessier> i have catia if you need help programming
[18:26:01] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: it's at giacus's site (check the log)
[18:26:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra> logger_aj: bookmark
[18:26:08] <Lerneaen_Hydra> See
[18:26:24] <alex_joni> Overall Length= ..
[18:26:30] <alex_joni> Shaft Diameter= ..
[18:26:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok
[18:26:36] <alex_joni> Flute Diameter= ..
[18:26:41] <alex_joni> Flute Length= ..
[18:26:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what material are you going to make it in?
[18:26:47] <alex_joni> Taper Angle= ..
[18:26:49] <alex_joni> wood I guess
[18:26:55] <dmessier> corner rad
[18:26:58] <alex_joni> Feedrate=..
[18:27:04] <alex_joni> Plunge Rate=..
[18:27:08] <alex_joni> StepOver=..
[18:27:12] <dmessier> extraction method
[18:27:12] <alex_joni> Depth per Pass=..
[18:27:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what size is the finished part (rough dimensions)
[18:27:20] <alex_joni> 4x6x5"
[18:27:26] <alex_joni> about
[18:27:35] <alex_joni> I can rescale
[18:27:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh
[18:27:44] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: I wanna make a new 3DChips
[18:28:22] <alex_joni> 0.1" depth per pass.. is that too little?
[18:28:34] <dmessier> ballnose makes a thickening chip... x-tra flute bite is not good
[18:28:49] <dmessier> ballnose dia??
[18:29:02] <alex_joni> dmessier: I can programm one for roughing, one for finish
[18:29:13] <dmessier> ok dia.. pls??
[18:29:16] <alex_joni> I can also select BallMill, EndMill, BullMill
[18:29:23] <alex_joni> dmessier: whatever you guys suggest
[18:29:29] <alex_joni> but make it sane
[18:29:40] <dmessier> have a model??
[18:29:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> if you have a 1/4" (I only have experience with metals, wood would probably have higher rpm and feedrate) I would have:
[18:29:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> complete ballnose
[18:29:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> feedrate of.. hmm.. alu would be around 1000mm/min
[18:29:46] <alex_joni> I'm not actually cutting it.. just want to generate some sane model
[18:29:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> rpm of 6-10k
[18:29:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> depth per pass of 2mm
[18:29:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra> stepover 50%
[18:29:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: then you would need a good finish cycle
[18:30:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra> paralell lace or something
[18:30:28] <dmessier> that SFM.. not feedrate alex
[18:30:43] <alex_joni> this one has 3 types of finishing: X-lines, Y-Lines, X then Y
[18:30:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ooh, I can work with this model
[18:30:58] <alex_joni> and after that there's a 'Waterline'
[18:31:24] <dmessier> ok ... i liked double 45's... but whatever.. mount the block at a 45
[18:31:45] <dmessier> waterline.. is your roughing routine...
[18:32:03] <Lerneaen_Hydra> cutting the space between the arms is going to be tough, at best you'll get a line showing where it should be
[18:32:54] <dmessier> is there a remove internal pocket.. or somthing along that sort
[18:33:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> dmessier: I was thinking that having and endmill that small is going to be tough
[18:34:03] <dmessier> i have no model.. how small
[18:34:34] <dmessier> i have endmills down to .01" and NO machine to use them on
[18:35:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> dmessier: heh, that's small. IMO to small to be used easily
[18:36:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra> how big should the model be?
[18:36:36] <dmessier> i aquired an old watchmakers tool chest... 100+ yrs old... AWESOME stufff
[18:36:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> (I'm going to test edgecam with it)
[18:36:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> cool!
[18:36:55] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 80mm or so?
[18:36:57] <dmessier> i keep it for show and tell
[18:37:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> haha
[18:37:10] <giacus> :)
[18:37:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> maybe 100mm?
[18:37:48] <dmessier> he has test strips for dies to stamp out BURR free watch hands
[18:38:28] <dmessier> i found an old punch.. scraped out of tool steel by hand..
[18:38:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh my...
[18:38:47] <dmessier> way pre edm...
[18:38:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra> presiscion stuff
[18:38:56] <dmessier> VERY...
[18:38:59] <Lerneaen_Hydra> back in the days of filing and hardening ;)
[18:39:27] <dmessier> i wish i could meet the man who made/worked those tools...
[18:39:45] <dmessier> bcz HE is a master...
[18:39:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> heh
[18:39:59] <dmessier> or SHE
[18:41:27] <dmessier> there is an old turkish cigarette box wit 300 different sized drills fron .035" and under...
[18:42:10] <dmessier> i used a few to drill thru blue fingernails and let the pressure off...they are sharp
[18:43:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra> heh, that's far too small to be practical
[18:43:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra> very very cool
[18:43:28] <bill203> yeech
[18:44:27] <anonimasu> dmessier: thats like my mill :)
[18:44:43] <anonimasu> dmessier: except that the watchmakers that made it got tired of making small stuff ;)
[18:46:06] <alex_joni> hi
[18:46:09] <anonimasu> hi
[18:47:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I've made a test program for a new chips
[18:47:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I don't have webspace though :(
[18:47:29] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: can you email it to me?
[18:47:29] <anonimasu> :S
[18:47:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> mail adress?
[18:47:39] <alex_joni> alex.joni AT robcon.ro
[18:49:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> sent
[18:49:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I made it 100mm tall
[18:49:26] <Lerneaen_Hydra> that makes it 50mm thick
[18:49:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> It's just the upper half right now
[18:50:08] <alex_joni> still waiting ;)
[18:50:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra> now?
[18:50:41] <anonimasu> brb
[18:51:50] <alex_joni> nope
[18:52:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra> strange
[18:52:41] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ftp://basic:basic@
[18:52:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> chips.nb
[18:52:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> *nc
[18:54:21] <dmessier> could i get the STL??
[18:54:34] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: it's coming in now
[18:54:43] <dmessier> mes_for_fun@yahoo.com
[18:54:48] <alex_joni> dmessier: http://dsplabs.cs.upt.ro/~juve/emc/tux/
[18:56:20] <dmessier> merci
[18:56:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: any result?
[18:56:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: was it openable?
[18:58:08] <alex_joni> hang on ;)
[18:58:11] <alex_joni> a bit busy
[18:59:05] <dmessier> catia didnt like your stl... you have any other options to save to??
[18:59:19] <alex_joni> dmessier: there's a dxf there
[19:01:12] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: http://dsplabs.cs.upt.ro/~juve/emc/tux/LHchips.tgz
[19:02:51] <dmessier> puked the dxf too..
[19:03:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> same file as before?
[19:03:52] <dmessier> no the dxf this time..
[19:04:28] <dmessier> have an hpgl option??
[19:04:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: it's very beta-ish currently (non-optimsed production time), and I can change values greatly
[19:04:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: especially if it's wood
[19:06:52] <dmessier> g-codes aren a big deal for me IF you can get me a good model i can work with..
[19:07:17] <dmessier> what are you odeling in??
[19:07:24] <dmessier> modeling
[19:09:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> giacus converted from dxf to stl
[19:09:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I have a bloated .sldprt if you want
[19:09:31] <dmessier> chk out RHINO i think there's a linux port...
[19:10:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I don't need a new model, the stl worked fine for me, didn't you need a different format for the model?
[19:12:01] <dmessier> your stl was unreadable... as was the dxf... from.. my s/ware (not to be mentioned again)
[19:12:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hmm, what about 3ds?
[19:13:24] <dmessier> nope.. stp???
[19:13:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hmm, sorry
[19:14:57] <alex_joni> * alex_joni really likes meshcam
[19:15:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra really likes edgecam
[19:15:34] <alex_joni> http://www.grzsoftware.com/
[19:15:44] <alex_joni> 150$ ;)
[19:15:54] <alex_joni> probably 150$ too much for me :D
[19:17:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: I've got a new file coming soon
[19:18:13] <alex_joni> if you give a full ftp URI I can take it directly
[19:18:17] <dmessier> i'll see who remembers me... Lerneaen_Hydra
[19:18:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> dmessier: what do you mean?
[19:19:28] <dmessier> for an edgcam licence..
[19:19:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> you need windows (maybe wine can run it, I don't know) though
[19:21:06] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: how much for edgecam?
[19:21:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hmm, I don't know, I got it off my school
[19:21:40] <dmessier> fully blown.. 10 - 15 K
[19:21:50] <dmessier> us
[19:22:01] <alex_joni> fsck that ;)
[19:22:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> haha
[19:22:08] <alex_joni> btw.. I tried Vista today
[19:22:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra> it works good though
[19:22:18] <Lerneaen_Hydra> argh! my eyes!
[19:22:26] <alex_joni> that's the worst crap I've seen in ages
[19:22:28] <Lerneaen_Hydra> not vista... please..
[19:22:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra agrees
[19:22:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> drm, bloat, and expense. Doesn't get much better than that
[19:23:01] <alex_joni> this was one moderate PC (512 Ram, 1.5 GHzcpu, 256 Graphics, etc)
[19:23:05] <alex_joni> but it SUCKED
[19:23:25] <alex_joni> it was barely useable
[19:23:34] <dmessier> overhead GALLORRRR i bet??
[19:26:55] <giacus> darn ati .. sometime freeze during rendering
[19:27:23] <giacus> Lerneaen_Hydra: found an usable format for tux ?
[19:27:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> stl worked well for me
[19:27:52] <giacus> good
[19:28:48] <dmessier> not I
[19:29:41] <alex_joni> giacus: same here ;)
[19:29:47] <alex_joni> giacus: can you try in AXIS?
[19:29:59] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.upt.ro/~juve/emc/tux/
[19:30:00] <dmessier> iges??
[19:30:07] <alex_joni> I think gnu-tux3 is ok
[19:30:12] <giacus> yeah, let me run the other pc ..
[19:30:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: I have a new g-code ready
[19:36:00] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: any results+
[19:36:27] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: no AXIS right now.. gf is at the PC :)
[19:37:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh, ok
[19:40:58] <giacus> ok, loaded it
[19:41:13] <giacus> looks like a very complex toolpath
[19:41:20] <giacus> but seems fine
[19:41:39] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: opened it in AXIS
[19:41:48] <alex_joni> takes a while.. but it's way too complex imho
[19:41:54] <giacus> yeah ..
[19:41:58] <giacus> few minuts
[19:44:47] <Lerneaen_Hydra> minutes?
[19:44:48] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh my
[19:44:58] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I guess the paralell lace has too many passes
[19:45:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I take 0.634 mm steps
[19:45:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 10% of tool diameter
[19:45:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Maybe I should increase the step to 25%?
[19:46:33] <Lerneaen_Hydra> test ftp://basic:basic@
[19:46:44] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 50% smaller
[19:50:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I find that program to be quite small
[19:50:16] <Lerneaen_Hydra> only 20 000 rows
[19:51:01] <alex_joni> less gnu-tux3-top.nc | wc -l
[19:51:01] <alex_joni> 4983
[19:53:36] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: still takes about 20 seconds to load in AXIS
[19:56:02] <skunkworks> lets see some axis pictures :)
[19:56:55] <alex_joni> skunkworks: 5 MINS
[19:59:27] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/tux/
[20:00:35] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: what does axis do when loading files?
[20:00:57] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: no idea.. I imagine it makes a 3D model
[20:01:30] <Lerneaen_Hydra> hmm, and checks for errors too
[20:01:36] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I guess that is what takes so long
[20:02:11] <Lerneaen_Hydra> do you have an image with my file? is it possible to see what the finished peice looks like or is it just garbage-ish?
[20:02:20] <alex_joni> garbage-ish :)
[20:02:27] <alex_joni> but I'll post one pic
[20:05:05] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: done
[20:05:21] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/tux/LHchips3.png
[20:05:45] <Lerneaen_Hydra> messy...
[20:06:23] <alex_joni> right, and it jumps all overt the place
[20:06:57] <Lerneaen_Hydra> it looks more reasonable in the cam app
[20:07:12] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ftp://basic:basic@
[20:07:28] <jepler> what file are you guys starting with? I was just doing some improvements to toolpath ..
[20:07:39] <alex_joni> jepler: stl & dxf
[20:07:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> giacus had a file
[20:07:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I used the stl
[20:07:51] <alex_joni> but both aren't any good for toolpath
[20:07:52] <jepler> aha, found it in backlog
[20:07:57] <alex_joni> the stl is binary
[20:08:01] <alex_joni> and the dxf is mesh
[20:08:35] <alex_joni> jepler: I think this is fairly decent http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/tux/gnu-tux3-top.png
[20:08:57] <jepler> yeah that may be the best so far
[20:09:12] <alex_joni> but that is only the finishing pass
[20:09:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra> if I remove the roughing then it's much much better
[20:09:32] <alex_joni> right.. if you have the roughing in the same file it gets MESSY
[20:10:00] <alex_joni> jepler: and I find it rather tall (but the good thing is you can do both sides)
[20:10:00] <Lerneaen_Hydra> ftp://basic:basic@
[20:10:11] <jepler> too bad toolpath can't read this dxf
[20:10:23] <alex_joni> or the STL
[20:10:35] <jepler> well yeah
[20:12:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra> chips4 will result in toolcrash though
[20:12:56] <Lerneaen_Hydra> it does various g0's in the material (I haven't configured it so it knows that there isn't any roughing)
[20:13:23] <alex_joni> and it looks silly.. something else is wrong :)
[20:13:38] <Lerneaen_Hydra> what else?
[20:13:52] <alex_joni> http://dsplabs.cs.utt.ro/~juve/emc/tux/LHchips4.png
[20:14:05] <Lerneaen_Hydra> no that looks correct
[20:14:06] <alex_joni> it has curly sides
[20:14:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yes
[20:14:14] <alex_joni> and eyelashes :D
[20:14:14] <Lerneaen_Hydra> it cuts the sides too
[20:14:20] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh
[20:14:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra> its a lead in move
[20:14:40] <Lerneaen_Hydra> less abrubt tool loading
[20:14:52] <Lerneaen_Hydra> smoother entry and the rest
[20:15:19] <alex_joni> ok
[20:15:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> here's a chips that won't tool crash: ftp://basic:basic@
[20:15:42] <Lerneaen_Hydra> meshcam should have something like that
[20:15:48] <alex_joni> * alex_joni needs to do something else for a while ;)
[20:16:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra> haha
[20:16:54] <Lerneaen_Hydra> whoops, ftp://basic:basic@
[20:25:31] <Jymmm> Z-15.286
[20:25:33] <Jymmm> wth ?
[20:25:47] <Jymmm> this better be mm!
[20:26:12] <Jymmm> * Jymmm pokes Lerneaen_Hydra
[20:27:00] <alex_joni> * alex_joni lends Jymmm a bigger stick
[20:27:18] <Jymmm> thanks!
[20:27:32] <alex_joni> oh, I have a catlle prod too.. if you like
[20:27:53] <Jymmm> nah... 220VAC should do... I wired it to his bed!
[20:28:04] <Jymmm> and alarm clock
[20:28:07] <alex_joni> that'll teach him to water his bed
[20:28:13] <Jymmm> F1300.0
[20:28:22] <alex_joni> sounds like inches to me
[20:28:24] <alex_joni> LOL
[20:28:28] <Jymmm> lol
[20:28:41] <Jymmm> BAM! "Well, we always wanted a skylight"
[20:29:51] <Jymmm> Hell, I have a 1/4" ballnose... might give this a shot.
[20:30:12] <Jymmm> What's K?? G2 X58.127 Z-22.693 I0.0 K5.0 F1300.0
[20:30:46] <jepler> I- K- specifies the center of the arc for XZ arcs
[20:30:59] <Jymmm> oh, it's an arc thing.... TY
[20:32:11] <jepler> yeah. I, J, K correspond to X, Y, and Z. So this is an arc with its center at old_x + 0, old+z + 5 where old_x and old_z represent the position before this arc starts
[20:35:13] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Jymmm: yes it's mm
[20:35:30] <Jymmm> so that line is doing (how do I say this) a half a hose sitting on a table sorta thing?
[20:35:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra reads the messages
[20:35:39] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra eek!
[20:36:07] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Jymmm: what do you mean?
[20:36:17] <Lerneaen_Hydra> alex_joni: you'r bigger stick worked, after a while ;)
[20:36:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yes, the feedrate is very much in MM
[20:36:38] <Jymmm> if you took a garden hose and cut it length wise and put it on a flat table
[20:37:10] <Jymmm> it would arc up 5mm
[20:37:15] <Lerneaen_Hydra> oh
[20:37:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yes, that sounds reasonable
[20:37:33] <Lerneaen_Hydra> the circular lead-in is 5mm
[20:37:36] <Jymmm> I just didnt know how to say that
[20:37:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> now you do ;)
[20:37:54] <Jymmm> a la garden hose =)
[20:38:02] <Lerneaen_Hydra> yep
[20:38:57] <Jymmm> http://static.flickr.com/48/168468822_dc3b8e2bc9.jpg
[20:39:33] <Lerneaen_Hydra> please tell me that is CNC and not by hand
[20:44:06] <jepler> is it OK if I say that is technically excellent but not something I'd display in my house?
[20:47:14] <alex_joni> the watch?
[20:47:21] <jepler> the clock
[20:47:36] <alex_joni> err.. yeah
[20:47:39] <alex_joni> I like the clock
[20:47:45] <alex_joni> not the wood thingie though :D
[20:49:28] <Jymmm> Lerneaen_Hydra : All by hand
[20:49:34] <Jymmm> Lerneaen_Hydra: NOT!
[20:50:02] <Jymmm> jepler what about office or game room?
[20:50:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Jymmm: phew..
[20:51:48] <robin_sz> meep?
[20:51:52] <Jymmm> alex_joni you dont like it either huh?
[20:52:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra> meep
[20:52:24] <robin_sz> * robin_sz meeps
[20:52:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra meeps
[20:52:36] <robin_sz> ahh, happy days
[20:54:27] <Jymmm> robin_sz since you're always asking...
[20:54:29] <Jymmm> http://static.flickr.com/48/168468822_dc3b8e2bc9.jpg
[20:58:14] <asdfq-shop> I need some HAL HELp
[20:58:40] <etla> what kind of help?
[20:59:07] <asdfq-shop> I've got emc2 compiled with axis, and copied stepper_xyza over to my own
[20:59:33] <etla> ok...
[20:59:54] <asdfq-shop> And I've already changed it so I'm pointing to my parport, and the pinout to the xylotex card I'm using
[21:00:10] <asdfq-shop> I want a signal for the spindle
[21:01:16] <etla> iocontrol.0.spindle-speed-out
[21:01:29] <etla> that will be a float with the spindle speed in rpm I think
[21:01:41] <alex_joni> etla: I doubt he wants a float on parport
[21:01:51] <alex_joni> asdfq-shop: want a spindle on/off ?
[21:02:02] <asdfq-shop> That'd be AWESOME - if it's possible :P
[21:02:30] <alex_joni> asdfq-shop: not possible on parport
[21:02:37] <alex_joni> but it would be possible if you had a DAC
[21:02:44] <alex_joni> parport can hold a bit
[21:02:49] <asdfq-shop> I know ;)
[21:03:07] <asdfq-shop> On/off would be good
[21:03:26] <alex_joni> start emc
[21:03:31] <alex_joni> then open a terminal
[21:03:39] <alex_joni> and run this: halcmd show pin iocontrol
[21:04:17] <asdfq-shop> Okay...switching back and forth with a KVM switch
[21:04:30] <alex_joni> that will tell you that the pin you're after is called iocontrol.0.spindle-on
[21:04:40] <alex_joni> now put these lines in your hal file:
[21:04:48] <alex_joni> # create a signal for "spindle on"
[21:04:48] <alex_joni> newsig spindle_on bit
[21:04:48] <alex_joni> # commented out till we resolve this issue
[21:04:48] <alex_joni> # connect it to the iocontroller
[21:04:48] <alex_joni> linksp spindle_on iocontrol.0.spindle-on
[21:04:50] <alex_joni> # connect it to a physical pin
[21:04:53] <alex_joni> linksp spindle_on parport.0.pin-09-out
[21:05:58] <asdfq-shop> Okay, I already have those lines from the standard stepper_xyza config
[21:06:09] <alex_joni> then that's it ;)
[21:06:24] <alex_joni> of course you can change the 09 to suit your parport
[21:08:13] <asdfq-shop> Of course, now that I find out about that, trying to start emc2 gives me an "Import Error" that looks axis related :(
[21:08:45] <alex_joni> asdfq-shop: run emc from a terminal
[21:08:48] <alex_joni> simply 'emc'
[21:12:01] <asdfq-shop> log:
[21:12:06] <asdfq-shop> thomas@flexcnc:~/emc2$ scripts/emc
[21:12:08] <asdfq-shop> EMC2 - Prerelease CVS HEAD
[21:12:08] <asdfq-shop> Machine configuration directory is '/home/thomas/emc2/configs/thomas/'
[21:12:08] <asdfq-shop> Machine configuration file is 'inch.ini'
[21:12:08] <asdfq-shop> Starting emc...
[21:12:08] <asdfq-shop> Traceback (most recent call last):
[21:12:09] <asdfq-shop> File "/home/thomas/emc2/bin/axis", line 61, in ?
[21:12:10] <asdfq-shop> import gcode
[21:12:15] <asdfq-shop> ImportError: /home/thomas/emc2/lib/librs274.so: undefined symbol: _Z18STOP_ADAPTIVE_FEEDv
[21:12:16] <asdfq-shop> Shutting down and cleaning up EMC...
[21:12:18] <asdfq-shop> Cleanup done
[21:12:30] <alex_joni> asdfq-shop: I said 'emc' not 'scripts/emc'
[21:13:08] <alex_joni> but if you're using the CVS HEAD.. then probably you need to recompile
[21:13:15] <alex_joni> and get the latest axis
[21:13:20] <alex_joni> and update the checkout
[21:13:38] <alex_joni> asdfq-shop: but I would rather advice to use the latest release 2.0.1
[21:15:36] <asdfq-shop> I'm using the axis-1.3a2 tarball
[21:16:14] <asdfq-shop> and emc2 should be 2.0.1
[21:18:24] <alex_joni> EMC2 - Prerelease CVS HEAD
[21:18:28] <alex_joni> that's not 2.0.1
[21:19:20] <robin_sz> perhaps a simple linme inthe makefile that detects the HEAD versions and says "wow .. you dont actually epect this to compile do you?"
[21:21:00] <asdfq-shop> huh...I wonder how I got that mixed up
[21:21:41] <jepler> asdfq-shop: I think that 'STOP_ADAPTIVE_FEED' is required by emc2 HEAD but not yet implemented in axis 1.3a2. get the CVS snapshot of axis (http://axis.unpy.net/downloads/nightly I think the URL is)
[21:23:22] <jepler> asdfq-shop: as for spindle speed control: you can use the 'pwmgen' in emc2 HEAD to generate a PWM or PFM signal on the parallel port. An RC filter can convert that into a 0-5V analog output.
[21:23:29] <jepler> cradek has used that for his lathe conversion
[21:24:25] <jepler> bbl
[21:24:45] <asdfq-shop> PFM?
[21:24:53] <asdfq-shop> oh, frequency
[21:25:41] <asdfq-shop> The other PFM I'm familiar with has to do with the circumstances of spontaneous electronics failure - "Pure Magic"
[21:29:03] <alex_joni> jepler: just looked around axis.unpy.net ;)
[21:29:12] <alex_joni> the old blog entries bring up memories :D
[21:29:21] <alex_joni> I remember rs274py if you can believe :D
[21:31:41] <CIA-8> 03awallin 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/hal_motion.lyx: draft motion and iocontrol HAL reference
[21:32:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> jepler: how many pins would that use, only 1 right?
[21:32:14] <CIA-8> 03awallin 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/Master_HAL.lyx: now includes hal_motion.lyx
[21:32:26] <alex_joni> etla: you really are on a documentation wave
[21:32:34] <alex_joni> Lerneaen_Hydra: yup, one
[21:33:08] <etla> alex: just copied over what I put in the wiki in the past few days
[21:33:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra> is there any way to set parport up so the output is a matrix of sorts?
[21:33:27] <etla> alex: would be nice to set up that periodic pdf update to website thing
[21:33:32] <Lerneaen_Hydra> I need a few more pins than the parport has
[21:33:50] <Lerneaen_Hydra> 8x8 pins would give 64 outputs
[21:34:10] <alex_joni> etla: right, I agree
[21:34:24] <alex_joni> I'll build new pdf's and upload tomorrow.. ok?
[21:34:29] <Lerneaen_Hydra> or 5x5x5 would give 125 outputs but be more difficult to wire
[21:34:44] <alex_joni> etla: and we'll figure out the automatic thingie
[21:35:14] <etla> alex: sure, OK. Could we please have all the manuals on the website, i.e. user, integrator, developer.
[21:35:36] <Rugludallur> Lerneaen_Hydra= I would think that it would be easier to use the serial port for that kind of operation, perhaps someone else here with more experience from using EMC can back me up with that
[21:36:22] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Rugludallur: I would rather not use the serial port, as an 8x8 matrix doesn't need any components, only wiring, although if serial is simple that would also be an option
[21:36:24] <Rugludallur> Lernaen_Hydra: The easiest way would probably be to buy an extra parallel pci adapter
[21:36:25] <alex_joni> etla: sure, but there aren't any yet
[21:36:34] <alex_joni> etla: integrator & developer
[21:36:41] <alex_joni> I only started with user so far
[21:37:11] <etla> alex: OK... you mean the ones that are in CVS are from EMC1 and not applicable for EMC2 ?
[21:37:17] <alex_joni> etla: right
[21:37:25] <Rugludallur> Lernaen_Hydra: Serial = Parallel with automatic matrix
[21:37:34] <alex_joni> basicly I took the one from emc1, and read it through and scrapped the emc1 part
[21:37:42] <alex_joni> updated some of the info for emc2
[21:37:49] <alex_joni> and then others joined in to the fun ;)
[21:38:06] <etla> OK.. so we'll move stuff to documents/emc2 when it's OK for publishing ?
[21:38:23] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Rugludallur: ah, what type of encoding is it?
[21:39:09] <alex_joni> etla: we'll move stuff to documents/emc2 when we have time/motivation for it
[21:39:10] <Rugludallur> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serial_port
[21:39:26] <alex_joni> etla: and there are some generic stuff which can still be included from ../
[21:39:31] <Jymmm> alex_joni: do you really not care for it, or just not your style?
[21:39:57] <etla> alex: ok... I might take a look at the integrator thing if I have time. Maybe the user handbook could cover only what is in the ini file ? and all the HAL stuff goes into the integrator book
[21:40:24] <alex_joni> there are some basic things which I think a user should know
[21:40:31] <alex_joni> that's why there is so much hal there
[21:40:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Rugludallur: oh, ok. Looks simple enough. It probably is simpler as you said just to get another parport
[21:41:50] <etla> alex: are you any good at writing vcp widgets ? I'd like to make a m5i20 test panel. would need some float inputs and indicators
[21:42:01] <Rugludallur> Lerneaen_Hydra: I have 5 on my comp, two additional cards with 2 additional ports each
[21:42:06] <Rugludallur> :D
[21:42:09] <Lerneaen_Hydra> Rugludallur: :D
[21:42:18] <alex_joni> etla: my best try is in halui-halvcp
[21:42:25] <alex_joni> not exactly bright stuff ;)
[21:42:46] <Lerneaen_Hydra> * Lerneaen_Hydra yawns. g'night all
[21:42:51] <alex_joni> oh.. you really meant widgets
[21:42:58] <etla> alex: sure... the .vcp and .hal scripts are easy enough... but writing new widgets to display more stuff
[21:43:01] <alex_joni> sorry, it's late
[21:43:10] <alex_joni> etla: never tried ;)
[21:43:14] <alex_joni> so I probably suck
[21:43:20] <etla> :)
[21:43:21] <Lerneaen_Hydra> quit
[21:43:24] <Lerneaen_Hydra> err
[21:43:31] <Lerneaen_Hydra> forgot the /
[21:43:34] <Lerneaen_Hydra> >.<
[21:46:16] <alex_joni> Jymmm: http://www.dennisonbertram.com/hackmaster/2005/02/build-your-own-ring-flash.htm
[21:46:24] <etla> * etla needs to sleep also... 00:48 (well maybe watch a little golf still...)
[21:47:38] <alex_joni> hmm.. he's the same timezone as me :D
[21:48:34] <Rugludallur> 3 hours, thats eastern european ?
[21:54:13] <alex_joni> Rugludallur: right
[21:55:00] <alex_joni> off to bed now
[21:55:03] <alex_joni> night all
[22:08:56] <asdfq-shop> Whee! configured and running
[22:09:57] <Rugludallur> a mill ?
[22:10:33] <anonimasu> nice
[22:16:21] <Jymmm> alex_joni: do you really not care for it, or just not your style?
[22:17:04] <Jymmm> alex_joni Uh...no. I'm not hanging a $250 speedlight off a chucnk of EPS off of a $300 lens. TYVM
[22:19:38] <Xaver> Xaver is now known as Dallur
[22:45:15] <A-L-P-H-A> i'm finally home at a reasonable time, and mess isn't here.
[22:45:27] <Jymmm> heh
[22:45:33] <Jymmm> murphy's law.
[22:45:41] <Jymmm> he's a dead man when I catch him!
[22:45:48] <A-L-P-H-A> eh?
[22:45:51] <A-L-P-H-A> why's that?
[22:45:58] <Jymmm> murphy, not dmess
[22:46:27] <A-L-P-H-A> oh
[22:46:43] <Jymmm> =)
[22:47:16] <A-L-P-H-A> fans are making a weird noise again
[22:47:48] <A-L-P-H-A> but I like just oiled them like two days ago.
[22:48:00] <Jymmm> are you talking muffin fans?
[22:48:03] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah
[22:48:21] <Jymmm> they're oilless, time to replace them.
[22:48:27] <A-L-P-H-A> nono. they're bearings.
[22:48:35] <A-L-P-H-A> they aren't sleeved.
[22:48:38] <Jymmm> yeah, they ALL are bearings...
[22:48:52] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah... well... I've oiled them before, and they silenced them.
[22:49:08] <Jymmm> tell ya waht... grab one and try pulling up on the fan itself from the outside housing.
[22:49:27] <Jymmm> if it moves more than 1/8" replace them
[22:49:35] <A-L-P-H-A> k
[22:49:56] <A-L-P-H-A> well... if I replace the fan, I'll replace the cpu+mobo as well.
[22:50:10] <Jymmm> I see it like this... do you really want to rely upon a $5 fan that's acting funky to cool $1000 wirth of gear.
[22:50:18] <A-L-P-H-A> my fan cost me something like $50... cause it was quiet and huge.
[22:50:34] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/Makefile:
[22:50:34] <CIA-8> axis 1.4 will set the values on certain pins when axes are selected for jogging.
[22:50:34] <CIA-8> This is intended to allow a single jogwheel to be used in conjunction with AXIS,
[22:50:34] <CIA-8> selecting the axis to be jogged in the GUI and then using the physical jogwheel
[22:50:34] <CIA-8> to actually move.
[22:50:35] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/sim/axis.ini:
[22:50:37] <CIA-8> axis 1.4 will set the values on certain pins when axes are selected for jogging.
[22:50:41] <CIA-8> This is intended to allow a single jogwheel to be used in conjunction with AXIS,
[22:50:43] <CIA-8> selecting the axis to be jogged in the GUI and then using the physical jogwheel
[22:50:43] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A $50?! ouch
[22:50:45] <CIA-8> to actually move.
[22:50:47] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/configs/common/core_axis.hal:
[22:50:49] <CIA-8> axis 1.4 will set the values on certain pins when axes are selected for jogging.
[22:50:51] <CIA-8> This is intended to allow a single jogwheel to be used in conjunction with AXIS,
[22:50:53] <CIA-8> selecting the axis to be jogged in the GUI and then using the physical jogwheel
[22:50:55] <CIA-8> to actually move.
[22:51:06] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/scripts/axis.py: set hal signal values when selecting the axis to jog
[22:51:07] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/tcl/axis.tcl: set hal signal values when selecting the axis to jog
[22:51:24] <A-L-P-H-A> volcano 12+ from thermal take. or something like that.
[22:51:53] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0002BWI5C/sr=8-1/qid=1150498613/ref=pd_bbs_1/002-0068737-7443218?%5Fencoding=UTF8 this one when it was new
[22:52:03] <A-L-P-H-A> I think it was $45CDN + 15% tax
[22:52:59] <Jymmm> jepler you done?
[22:53:15] <jepler> Jymmm: no, i'll continue improving emc2 as I see fit.
[22:54:04] <Jymmm> jepler what's with the attitude? It was only a temp quiet.
[22:54:37] <A-L-P-H-A> k... know what it is.
[22:55:01] <A-L-P-H-A> a fan isn't tight against the case... rear exhaust muffin fan... need to put some rubber, or something to prevent it from vibrating.
[22:55:50] <Jymmm> A-L-P-H-A ah
[22:56:11] <A-L-P-H-A> yup
[22:56:13] <A-L-P-H-A> it's that.
[22:56:15] <A-L-P-H-A> fun stuff.
[23:10:46] <Jymmm> jepler: Hey, what's up?
[23:36:07] <Dallur> wierd, I have found that it is only a certain range that causes problems
[23:36:33] <Dallur> from 12000-14107 I get errors loading the realtime module