#emc | Logs for 2006-06-09

[00:04:04] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/components/pwmgen.c: remove some debugging code
[00:17:30] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/utils/ (miscgtk.c miscgtk.h scope.c): fix a couple of version dependent warnings
[01:14:31] <davidf> hi!
[01:14:40] <SWPadnos> hi there. how did things go?
[01:15:13] <davidf> hi SWPadnos . I'm on linux box with xchat irc. Thanks! :)
[01:15:34] <SWPadnos> you're welcome. did networking restart do the trick, or did you get a router? ;)
[01:16:01] <davidf> Just needed to set the ip right. Had a typo, & left Gateway blank.
[01:16:15] <davidf> I set it up manually with static ip.
[01:16:43] <SWPadnos> ah - that works too (until the modem disconnects, possibly)
[01:16:51] <davidf> no router or restart. (Though Itried that. I just had original ip info wrong. LOL.
[01:17:07] <SWPadnos> heh - always the simple stuff
[01:17:26] <davidf> No simple stuff for me. It's all HARD! :)
[01:17:47] <SWPadnos> but then again, if there's one thing in Linux that you can be reasonably sure of, it's the networking subsystem
[01:17:56] <davidf> Last time I used unix like terminal commands was 1996.
[01:18:01] <SWPadnos> used in several of the little $30 routers, actually ;)
[01:19:15] <davidf> I really like the feel of the OS. But it will be a steep learning curve . Took me an hour just to be able to surmise directory structures and navigate!
[01:19:30] <davidf> ls cd etc.
[01:19:36] <SWPadnos> ah, right
[01:19:43] <SWPadnos> man man, man l(
[01:19:44] <SWPadnos> ;)
[01:20:07] <SWPadnos> (looks much worse when you mistake l( for ;) )
[01:20:37] <davidf> heh.
[01:21:16] <SWPadnos> I should run for a bit - we've got a guest here. glad it worked out for you :)
[01:21:24] <davidf> Anyway I would like to download emc2. Is there a binary executable, or do I need to dl source & complie it or what?
[01:21:34] <SWPadnos> you're on ubuntu?
[01:21:46] <davidf> Oh, sure. See ya. Thanks again.
[01:21:52] <davidf> Yes.
[01:22:11] <SWPadnos> there is a simple script to run - one sec
[01:22:12] <davidf> U there?
[01:22:19] <davidf> OK.
[01:22:45] <SWPadnos> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2
[01:23:04] <davidf> Thanks loads.
[01:23:09] <SWPadnos> use option 1, it's the easiest
[01:23:16] <SWPadnos> you're welcome. see you later
[01:23:26] <SWPadnos> SWPadnos is now known as SWP_Away
[01:23:30] <davidf> Have a nice evening or whatever time it is there.
[01:23:48] <davidf> Hey skunkworks
[01:23:54] <skunkworks> Hi
[01:24:57] <davidf> I finally got a linux box up and running. Ubuntu install was a breeze but had some difficulty with getting online. But I'm there now. Thanks to everyone for all the help.
[01:25:09] <skunkworks> cool
[01:25:29] <davidf> I'm out of Microsoft prison.
[01:25:41] <skunkworks> :)
[01:26:08] <skunkworks> * skunkworks doesn't look at it as a prison - its job security
[01:26:52] <davidf> SWP_Away, (swpadnos) gave me a link to download emc with script just now. Off to try that.
[01:27:19] <davidf> eh?
[01:27:20] <skunkworks> good luck - it was easy (I assume cradeks install script)
[01:27:45] <davidf> http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/emcinfo.pl?Installing_EMC2
[01:27:54] <davidf> That it?
[01:28:46] <skunkworks> yep - option number one. painless :)
[01:28:47] <davidf> Looks like a web page.
[01:29:59] <davidf> OK I'm there see ya.
[01:34:40] <skunkworks> here is an odd question - off topic. Has anyone had an issue with their isp that causes http uploads to be intermittant? I can ftp to my site but the web interface is hit or miss. same with uploading pictures to ebay - very intermittant. I hooked directly to the dsl modem - same deal. everything else seems to be working fine. multible computers on the network act the same.
[01:35:16] <skunkworks> * all computers on the network
[01:38:15] <SWP_Away> SWP_Away is now known as SWPadnos
[01:39:50] <skunkworks> hey - didn't you just leave?
[01:40:27] <davidf> hey skunkworks: I did the thing, saw a bunch of stuff fly by on the terminal & it closed.
[01:40:32] <SWPadnos> yep, but I came back ;)
[01:40:47] <SWPadnos> reboot and you're done, I think
[01:40:52] <davidf> Is is done that fast? Like <10 seconds?
[01:40:59] <SWPadnos> hmmm - probably not
[01:41:16] <skunkworks> sounds like some packages need to be activated
[01:41:28] <skunkworks> user supported?
[01:41:32] <davidf> Doesn't seem like it even had time to download.
[01:41:54] <davidf> user supported? What u mean?
[01:42:13] <SWPadnos> did it ask for a password?
[01:42:28] <davidf> I checked owner execute.
[01:42:38] <davidf> yes. I entered it.
[01:42:45] <SWPadnos> there's a sudo comand in there - it should have asked for a password
[01:43:02] <skunkworks> was the internet setup when you installed ubuntu?
[01:43:25] <davidf> But I never got a dialog asking if Iwanted to install it. It just ran the script.
[01:43:39] <davidf> No. I installed ubuntu off line.
[01:43:53] <SWPadnos> there won't be a dialog for the install, just for getting hte gpg key
[01:44:12] <SWPadnos> you'll have to enable the online repositories then
[01:44:24] <skunkworks> SWPadnos: I think he needs to activate some repositories
[01:44:27] <skunkworks> yes
[01:44:36] <davidf> Oh boy.
[01:44:48] <davidf> Im afraid I'm being a hassle.
[01:44:52] <SWPadnos> it's easy - I just want to see where to do it :)
[01:44:55] <skunkworks> nope - its easy
[01:45:28] <skunkworks> I did it in the package manager - but I don't know if I could walk someone though it without it in front of me
[01:45:43] <davidf> Sure hope I can give something useful back to this group when I grow up.
[01:45:56] <SWPadnos> me too ;)
[01:46:05] <davidf> Oh, yea.
[01:47:24] <davidf> Is the pkg mgr available in the gui?
[01:47:29] <skunkworks> I just take take take.
[01:47:41] <skunkworks> synaptic package manager - I think
[01:47:57] <skunkworks> under administrative tools
[01:48:00] <davidf> Not from me! Cant get orange juice from a turnip!
[01:48:42] <davidf> synaptic pkg mgr?
[01:49:02] <skunkworks> right - I can try to walk you though it
[01:49:06] <davidf> found that. Should I just have at it?
[01:49:15] <davidf> ok.
[01:49:20] <skunkworks> see if we can screw anything up :)
[01:49:30] <skunkworks> it is a menu at the top - read them off
[01:50:31] <davidf> file edit package settings help
[01:50:44] <SWPadnos> you're in synaptic at the moment?
[01:50:51] <davidf> yes.
[01:51:02] <SWPadnos> ok. settings -> repositories, I think
[01:51:03] <davidf> There is a list on the left.
[01:51:34] <davidf> All Base System, Communication, Cross Platform, etc
[01:51:52] <davidf> All is selected at moment.
[01:52:04] <SWPadnos> nope - you need to set up repositories. those are categories
[01:52:27] <davidf> On the right, another list (within ALL I guess)
[01:52:35] <skunkworks> menus at the top - like SWPadnos - settings and then repositories (sounds good)
[01:53:23] <skunkworks> * skunkworks is trying to find the pictures online :)
[01:53:52] <davidf> got it.
[01:54:21] <SWPadnos> ok. click the internet updates tab
[01:54:54] <SWPadnos> the first option "check for updates" should probably be checked (though that isn't the real problem)
[01:55:30] <davidf> well, first I need to select one of three items in the initial dilog I think
[01:55:52] <SWPadnos> ok. you have the ubuntu 5.10 CD-ROM, and then two other repositories, right?
[01:56:06] <SWPadnos> are the othe rtwo the emc2 ones (at dsplabs.utt.ro)?
[01:56:11] <SWPadnos> or similar
[01:56:15] <davidf> I see: http://dsplabs.cs.upt.ro/emc2/breezy binary
[01:56:24] <SWPadnos> ok. click the add button
[01:56:27] <davidf> and the same (but source)
[01:57:05] <SWPadnos> there will be 3 or 4 options in the drop-down selector box
[01:57:22] <davidf> do I need to hilite one or the other first? I assume the binary?
[01:57:23] <SWPadnos> (I may get some of this wrong, since I'm on 6.06 instead of 5.10)
[01:57:44] <SWPadnos> not the dsplabs ones. you should click the add button
[01:57:59] <SWPadnos> (or was that binary something in the add dialog?)
[01:58:26] <skunkworks> I guess I had just did this in 6.06 also
[01:59:25] <davidf> yes I have a dialog with ubuntu, and emc2 binary, & emc2 source. With an add button on the right.
[01:59:57] <davidf> and Authentication & settings buttons at the bottom
[02:00:24] <SWPadnos> click the add button
[02:00:53] <SWPadnos> there are two dialogs we're talking about. the first is the settings dialog that comes up when you select settings -> repositories
[02:00:59] <davidf> ok, I have 4 check boxes.
[02:01:01] <SWPadnos> the second is the add repository dialog
[02:01:35] <SWPadnos> ok. what are the options in the repository list? (probably ubuntu, ubuntu security, and a couple of others)
[02:01:58] <davidf> yes. I understand. I have the add button clicked.
[02:02:03] <SWPadnos> sorry - it may be labeled "Channel"{
[02:02:31] <davidf> What I'm looking at says edit repository...
[02:02:46] <SWPadnos> ok. (it says "add channel" in 6.06)
[02:02:52] <davidf> Repository: ubuntu 5.10 Breezy Badger
[02:03:01] <davidf> (drop down list)
[02:03:14] <davidf> and there are 4 chkboxes.
[02:03:16] <SWPadnos> ok. that's good. check off the first two checkboxes for sure, and optionally the third and fourth
[02:03:49] <SWPadnos> you may need the third - I'm not sure (it doesn't hurt to check them all, but you may be presented with a lot more packages that can be installed ;) )
[02:04:12] <davidf> officially supported, restricted cpyrite, community maintained, non-free (multiverse) are the 4 choices.
[02:04:22] <SWPadnos> click add or OK or whatever it is when you've checked off the ones you want
[02:04:34] <SWPadnos> you need the first two, the second two are optional
[02:04:47] <davidf> I can change later right?
[02:04:50] <SWPadnos> yep
[02:05:06] <davidf> Ill leave the non free multiverse blank, ok?
[02:05:18] <SWPadnos> sure - that's fine. Repeat this process for the security updates repository
[02:05:33] <SWPadnos> also updates can't hurt
[02:06:42] <davidf> im being asked if I want to reload the packages list from the servers for changes to take effect now? (I havent done the security pkgs yet.)
[02:07:33] <SWPadnos> nope - not yet
[02:07:33] <SWPadnos> might as well do it once after you've added all the repositories
[02:07:44] <davidf> OK how do I do the security thing?
[02:08:30] <SWPadnos> same as the other one. just select the ubuntu 5.10 security repository in the drop-down in the add dialog
[11:53:26] <alex_joni> morning giacus
[11:54:34] <giacus> hi alex_joni
[12:47:43] <giacus> alex_joni: playng with prospective video effects: http://www.giacus.org/files/emc2_preview_2.avi
[12:48:14] <giacus> some day yet, and cinelerra should have no more secrets :P
[12:48:27] <alex_joni> looking now
[12:48:53] <giacus> that's a file scrolled in console ..
[12:48:59] <giacus> :D
[12:49:29] <giacus> more file can be mixed in different prospective at the same time
[12:49:46] <alex_joni> 30 more seconds to dl
[12:49:50] <giacus> and lot of dissolve effect can be used of course ..
[12:49:57] <giacus> effects*
[12:50:21] <giacus> cinelerra its a very powerful editor
[12:50:38] <giacus> just need the right idea for any scene
[12:51:11] <giacus> camera position can be moved around the scene as we want
[12:51:13] <alex_joni> I must say I don't really like it
[12:51:19] <alex_joni> the prospective stuff..
[12:51:25] <giacus> no ?
[12:51:25] <SWPadnos> the UI is terrible, but it's very powerful
[12:51:27] <alex_joni> liked the first thing you did better
[12:51:37] <SWPadnos> oh - not cinelerra ;)
[12:51:42] <giacus> :)
[12:52:48] <giacus> SWPadnos: you familiar with cinelerra ?
[12:53:26] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: you were doing LabView?
[12:53:27] <giacus> the difficuly I'm having is to get affects in real time
[12:53:30] <SWPadnos> I haven't used it for video editing, but I was looking at it as a piece of the digital camera array processing software
[12:53:32] <giacus> that's very annoyng
[12:53:51] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: LabView?
[12:54:15] <giacus> you see a scene in a way during the editing, to see the final result I have to render it ..
[12:54:23] <giacus> and this take a lot of time
[12:54:33] <giacus> the preview in editing mode is poor
[12:54:55] <SWPadnos> feck feck feck
[12:55:22] <SWPadnos> sorry - missed the (stupid piece of shit) LabView reference before ;)
[12:55:34] <giacus> the very powerful thing I found there are the keyframes
[12:55:50] <alex_joni> you're not gonna believe what I stumbled upon just now :D
[12:55:54] <giacus> can manipulate everything as you want
[12:56:00] <SWPadnos> there's another piece of software that can do realtime HD effects with an Opteron processor. I'll see if I can find the name
[12:56:16] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: seems LabView works with RTAI
[12:56:27] <alex_joni> at least it did in the 24.x.x tree
[12:56:35] <alex_joni> no one ported it to 3.x releases
[12:56:47] <SWPadnos> it shouldn't. I thought the LabView RT stuff was Windows only
[12:56:58] <alex_joni> but according to coders it shouldn't be too much trouble
[12:57:15] <SWPadnos> ok - there's labvire RT, which compiles (very crappy) realtime code for embedded systems or FPGA boards
[12:57:23] <SWPadnos> oops - labview
[12:57:29] <SWPadnos> (*stupid piece of shit)
[12:58:21] <alex_joni> there's RTAILab & simulink
[12:58:50] <SWPadnos> giacus - have you seen LIVES? http://lives.sourceforge.net/
[12:59:05] <SWPadnos> that's the one I used at Fest to cut down the Mazak video
[12:59:12] <giacus> SWPadnos: already using it for some stuff
[12:59:16] <SWPadnos> ok
[12:59:24] <SWPadnos> that's not the one I was thinking of before though
[12:59:28] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: scilab also works with rtai
[12:59:32] <alex_joni> http://www.scilab.org/
[12:59:51] <SWPadnos> yep. that's a different beast, but similar to LV in many ways
[13:00:48] <alex_joni> https://mail.rtai.org/pipermail/rtai/2005-June/011909.html
[13:02:14] <skunkworks> giacus: what codec do I need?
[13:02:46] <alex_joni> skunkworks: theoneyourrenotgetiing (TM)
[13:02:52] <giacus> skunkworks: that sould be xvid
[13:03:30] <skunkworks> thanks giacus - alex_joni zip it :)
[13:04:09] <alex_joni> zip -c it > it.zip
[13:17:21] <giacus> alex_joni: did you watch The Linux Code ?
[13:17:50] <giacus> its a documentary about linux
[13:19:08] <giacus> notice it use a short bass loop sound
[13:19:34] <giacus> beacuse some scene require a strong video effect
[13:19:51] <giacus> and some other not, need to be commented by voice
[13:20:19] <giacus> a loop like that could be reused many times in the video
[13:20:46] <giacus> when an entire song, instead, we just can follow the sound
[13:20:59] <giacus> without never break it
[13:21:08] <alex_joni> giacus: I know it
[13:21:33] <alex_joni> but I still like the song I sent you better
[13:21:37] <giacus> otherwise, it should be mixed in some point
[13:21:41] <alex_joni> and it has the effects you talk about ;)
[13:21:55] <giacus> for a presentation its cool, I like it
[13:22:23] <giacus> also simple to get siyncronization with scene
[13:22:46] <giacus> but no one will never talk on it I guess ..
[13:23:44] <giacus> I was thinking to an audio track with a human voice in the future
[13:23:56] <giacus> using subtites for now
[13:24:24] <giacus> and it will become a Documentary instead of a simple presentation
[13:24:57] <giacus> looking for some nice bass loop now..
[13:25:29] <giacus> all I can found around the web are horrible :/
[13:28:35] <giacus> It should be simple for someone to record the voice speaking at the mic and reading subtitles scrolling on the video (from right to left)
[13:28:58] <giacus> so we could replace the subtitles with a real voice (female better :)
[13:29:05] <SWPadnos> you'd be amazed at how hard it is to make good quality voice overs
[13:29:15] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: I wouldn't
[13:29:21] <SWPadnos> heh
[13:29:32] <giacus> so, I'd be inclined for a documentary like, not music videoclip
[13:29:45] <SWPadnos> there's a radio program here where peple read the first few chapters of a story (to get kids interested in reading)
[13:29:46] <giacus> SWPadnos: should not be hard at all
[13:29:59] <giacus> multiple files wav can be used
[13:30:06] <giacus> and mixed
[13:30:07] <SWPadnos> a friend of mine did that, and she was in the studio for about 6 hours, to get a 1/2 hour program
[13:30:16] <giacus> the speaker would not have difficult
[13:30:28] <SWPadnos> trust me on this ;)
[13:30:33] <giacus> yeah ..
[13:30:51] <SWPadnos> you can get something that sounds OK pretty easily, but to make it sound professional is hard
[13:30:54] <giacus> but when the video is done, and have subtitles ..
[13:31:06] <giacus> is like to sing at karaoke :P
[13:31:13] <SWPadnos> eeeewwwwww! ;)
[13:34:21] <giacus> I'd try in that way ..
[13:35:20] <giacus> I'm not much entusiast of a short videoclip with only sound, text, and scenes mixed with aggressive effects
[14:00:06] <skunkworks> giacus: pretty neet - I also thing the first video was the coolest so far :)
[14:10:30] <robin_sz> meep?
[14:10:40] <robin_sz> * robin_sz pops in from sunny Geneve
[14:10:55] <robin_sz> *beautiful day
[14:11:07] <alex_joni> indeed
[14:11:46] <robin_sz> and zero trouble from the factory too
[14:11:59] <robin_sz> they have not bothered me much on the phone
[14:12:01] <robin_sz> either:
[14:12:08] <robin_sz> everytig is fine and no problems
[14:12:10] <robin_sz> or
[14:12:23] <robin_sz> noting is happeneing and they have all gone home
[14:12:34] <alex_joni> found a nice motor: http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=54140&x=7
[14:12:49] <alex_joni> robin_sz: is it sunny in england?
[14:12:59] <alex_joni> then they probably took off for the weekend :D
[14:13:58] <robin_sz> no idea if its sunny in england
[14:14:04] <robin_sz> wait .. I check the webcam
[14:14:16] <robin_sz> yes, sunny
[14:15:28] <alex_joni> seen that engine robin?
[14:15:51] <alex_joni> ooh.. a nicer one: http://www.cat.com/cda/layout?m=54040&x=7
[14:16:12] <alex_joni> 9652 bhp at 1050 RPM
[14:16:23] <alex_joni> about 37900 kg though ;) (a bit heavy)
[14:16:41] <alex_joni> and 1300-1700 liter/hour consumption
[14:21:26] <SWPadnos> heh - only 333l displacement - tiny ;)
[14:21:43] <skunkworks> aftercooled - wonder what that means - alway heard intercoolded
[14:21:54] <SWPadnos> 455.8 gallons/hour fuel consumption
[14:22:00] <skunkworks> intercooled
[14:22:24] <SWPadnos> funny that an intercooler actually heats the air
[14:22:40] <SWPadnos> though I suppose it cools the engine at the same time
[14:22:49] <skunkworks> ? mot in my car :)
[14:22:55] <SWPadnos> heh
[14:23:24] <skunkworks> I guess it heat the ambient air - but cools the intake charge.
[14:23:54] <SWPadnos> question for you - did you try a run-in-place compile of emc2 on dapper, or just the packages?
[14:24:07] <skunkworks> just the package
[14:24:21] <skunkworks> I could try it - I wanted to play with testing or head
[14:24:21] <SWPadnos> I thought an intercooler was there to heat up the fuel/air so that the combustion would be more efficient
[14:24:40] <SWPadnos> ok. thanks. having problems with compiler versions or something for RIP
[14:25:04] <skunkworks> normaly on a forced induction car it is to cool the heat created by compressing the air from the turbo.
[14:25:29] <SWPadnos> ah - ok.
[14:26:02] <skunkworks> cooler air - more dense - more hp (less preignition)
[14:26:23] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: what problems?
[14:26:24] <SWPadnos> sure - more oxygen ;)
[14:26:28] <alex_joni> * alex_joni ran it both ways
[14:26:32] <SWPadnos> one sec - I'll pastebin
[14:26:38] <alex_joni> what compiler?
[14:26:45] <alex_joni> make sure it's 4.0
[14:26:55] <alex_joni> that's what I used for the kernel & modules
[14:27:10] <alex_joni> apt-get build-dep emc2 should give you that
[14:27:14] <SWPadnos> I also couldn't compile AXIS
[14:28:47] <SWPadnos> http://pastebin.com/770027
[14:29:06] <SWPadnos> this is with the latest emc2 packages installed
[14:29:20] <SWPadnos> and all other packages up to date
[14:29:22] <alex_joni> well, you're running the 2.6.12-magma
[14:29:27] <alex_joni> instead of 2.6.15-magma
[14:29:31] <cradek> ???
[14:29:36] <cradek> did I mess up the repository?
[14:29:44] <alex_joni> cradek: guess now
[14:29:47] <alex_joni> guess not
[14:29:47] <cradek> or are you running 2.6.12-magma on dapper?
[14:29:56] <alex_joni> but maybe swp messed the sources.list ?
[14:29:58] <SWPadnos> dunno. this is dapper, just to be sure you know what you're dealing with ;)
[14:30:06] <cradek> ok
[14:30:08] <SWPadnos> nope - 2.6.15
[14:30:08] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: uname -a ?
[14:30:15] <SWPadnos> one sec
[14:30:20] <alex_joni> dpkg -l | grep rtai
[14:30:48] <SWPadnos> I'm going to join IRC from that machine ;)
[14:30:52] <alex_joni> ok
[14:31:00] <alex_joni> * alex_joni postpones his going home for a while
[14:31:17] <cradek> there should be `ircsh' that lets everyone in a channel run shell commands on your machine
[14:31:24] <alex_joni> lol
[14:31:30] <alex_joni> at once even ,)
[14:31:31] <SWPadnos> uh - yeah, that would be great ;)
[14:31:51] <alex_joni> wonder who would win :D
[14:32:08] <cradek> brb
[14:33:27] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: gotta run home.. brb
[14:34:26] <SWPadnos> ok. I can wait ;)
[14:35:32] <les_w> Ha guests yesterday already shot out their trip report.
[14:35:52] <les_w> The y didn't mention the a chicken was in attendance
[14:36:17] <les_w> haha That was one of the funniest things I have ever seen.
[14:37:18] <SWPadnos> how about the cat?
[14:37:23] <les_w> When the chicken walked in it scratched the floor near the electronics bench, then ate a solder blob!
[14:37:33] <les_w> I hope it was the lead free stuff
[14:37:35] <SWPadnos> birdbrain
[14:37:44] <les_w> haha
[14:52:45] <etla> anyone know what the 'counter index mask's are on the m5i20 card ?
[14:53:26] <etla> there seems to be one bit for each encoder counter. they are all input bits
[14:57:35] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: home now
[14:57:50] <SWPadnos> ok - one sec
[14:58:04] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: can you paste in -devel ?
[14:58:12] <SWPadnos> in a minute - phone
[16:21:31] <Jymmm> websys you're alive?
[16:21:41] <websys> last time I chacked
[16:21:45] <websys> checked
[16:21:50] <Jymmm> coulda fooled me =)
[16:22:22] <websys> I just log everything and checkup once in a while
[16:22:37] <Jymmm> ah
[16:22:43] <Jymmm> spying on us huh =)
[16:22:48] <websys> always
[16:23:33] <websys> altho I'm heading out to SanFran on Tuesday for a week
[16:24:13] <Jymmm> a show out here?
[16:24:27] <websys> nope just looking around
[16:25:06] <Bo^Dick> has anyone of you experience with programming microcontrollers?
[16:25:27] <etla> bodick: dsPICs and PICs yes
[16:25:28] <Jymmm> well gas is up to $.80/gal in the city, so I hope you plan on looking around ala skateboard
[16:25:36] <Jymmm> $3.80
[16:25:47] <websys> not even renting a car
[16:26:04] <Bo^Dick> i'm trying to program a pic18f452 with a so called "ProPic 2" hardware
[16:26:18] <etla> ok...
[16:26:43] <Bo^Dick> i'm getting the error "failure at adress 000000"
[16:27:01] <Jymmm> websys Just staying in the City itself?
[16:27:11] <Bo^Dick> i wonder if both diodes are supposed to blink during the process
[16:27:36] <Bo^Dick> only one blinks with my hardware
[16:27:42] <etla> bo dick: is this an in-circuit programmer ? or do you take out the chip and put it in the programmer ?
[16:28:01] <Bo^Dick> i'm taking out the chip and put it in the programmer
[16:28:28] <cradek> try a different chip
[16:28:32] <etla> do you have multiple chips to test with
[16:28:42] <Bo^Dick> unfortunately no
[16:29:20] <Bo^Dick> the programmer looks like this: http://www.olimex.com/dev/images/pic-pg3.jpg
[16:29:57] <etla> what program are you using on the pc
[16:30:09] <Bo^Dick> "IC-Prog"
[16:30:51] <Bo^Dick> one good thing is that it features "hardware check" where one can measure the different destination signals
[16:31:03] <etla> I've used MPLAB with picstart and icd2 - no problems
[16:31:30] <etla> if the pc prog has settings for chip type etc, double check that they are correct
[16:32:11] <Bo^Dick> when my pic is inserted the voltage over the clock and data pins lowers from 5 volts to around 4 volts. a 1 volt drop that is
[16:32:38] <Bo^Dick> i've chosen pic18f452 since that is my chip
[16:33:25] <etla> my only advice is to use programmers by microchip - they're expensive but they work ;)
[16:33:49] <Bo^Dick> one of the leds flashes two times before the "programming failed at code adress 00000h" dialog appears
[16:34:27] <Bo^Dick> i've got a weird feeling that it might be the microcontroller itself that's broke
[16:34:51] <etla> does the programmer need an external high(5-15V) voltage ?
[16:34:59] <Bo^Dick> yepp
[16:35:02] <websys> Jymmm - took it off the board - sent private msg
[16:35:03] <Bo^Dick> 14 volts
[16:35:14] <etla> and you've checked that ?
[16:35:18] <Bo^Dick> yepp
[16:35:18] <etla> :)
[16:35:55] <etla> what do you want to do with the pic ?
[16:36:11] <Bo^Dick> you mean the end-result?
[16:36:22] <etla> yes
[16:36:31] <Bo^Dick> it's gonna be a stepper motor driver in the end
[16:36:47] <Bo^Dick> but it'll be a long way until then when things work poorly
[16:36:53] <etla> ok... does the 18F have builtin pwm generators ?
[16:37:04] <Bo^Dick> in fact it has
[16:37:29] <etla> I chose the dsPIC 30F3011 for a brushless servodrive. it has an encoder interface also
[16:38:02] <Bo^Dick> cool
[16:39:02] <etla> theres a picture at http://electronics.physics.helsinki.fi/personal/awallin/pic2.jpg
[16:39:14] <etla> it's the prototype so don't laugh too hard :)
[16:42:04] <Bo^Dick> cool
[16:42:17] <Bo^Dick> i don't know so much about servos
[16:43:10] <etla> well.. I don't know much about stepper drives - I just used geckos, never bothered to build my own stepperdrive
[16:43:48] <Bo^Dick> well in fact i'm aiming above the geckodrive in performance
[16:44:45] <Bo^Dick> my will have finer resolution and a smart adaptive decay scheme for the motor coils
[16:45:23] <Bo^Dick> but now i'm stuck with a broke pic
[16:45:23] <etla> you need to sense the coil currents ?
[16:45:32] <Bo^Dick> absolutely
[16:46:41] <etla> I'm trying to get away with no sensing and no PID loops in the servodrive
[16:46:48] <etla> leave the control to emc
[16:47:10] <Bo^Dick> ok
[16:48:59] <etla> you need to go to the pic-store !
[16:51:13] <Jymmm> Bo^Dick: fenn suggests jameco for chip chip
[16:51:32] <Jymmm> I think it was jameco... fenn wake up!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
[16:51:51] <alex_joni> Jymmm: let him hibernate
[16:52:07] <alex_joni> he's crunchy when woken
[16:52:33] <Jymmm> no way!
[16:53:39] <Jymmm> NO MERCY FOR THE CRUNCHY!
[16:54:30] <Jymmm> not cheap at all... http://jameco.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CatalogSearchResultView?langId=-1&storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&searchType=k&searchValue=18f452&categoryId=106050
[16:56:32] <Jymmm> http://home.hetnet.nl/~artm/atm/stepper/18F452step.html
[17:14:33] <robin_sz> yeuwww ... thats disgusting!
[17:15:09] <robin_sz> how did she manage to do that?
[17:16:51] <skunkworks> etla: that is exactly what I am trying to do - emc doing the pid (psudo pwm out of emc - ecoders back in)
[17:17:09] <skunkworks> robin_sz: did I miss something?
[17:19:05] <etla> skunk: yeah, that's my idea. If I can get the pid update to 10kHz in emc then doing something fancy at 10 or 20kHz in the servodrive (20kHz is the pwm freq) is not going to matter much
[17:22:52] <les_w> I'm hoping to get 10k with the upgrade I will do
[17:22:59] <les_w> If I ever get time
[17:23:23] <etla> pc or servo hardware upgrade ?
[17:23:25] <alex_joni> les_w: btw, there are a few nice things to look at
[17:24:29] <les_w> switch from servo to go to motenc, 200 MHz K6 to I gig + motherboard, emc to emc2
[17:24:41] <alex_joni> les_w: http://www.scilab.org/
[17:24:46] <les_w> right now I am limited to 2k
[17:25:01] <les_w> but we know it's due to the ISA STG card
[17:25:08] <les_w> looking
[17:26:42] <alex_joni> les_w: I heard it works together with RTAI
[17:26:48] <alex_joni> might be something for you
[17:26:54] <les_w> very neat
[17:27:03] <les_w> saving that page
[17:27:45] <les_w> got a trip report back from visitors confirming the need for designing a robotic trimmer
[17:28:48] <les_w> And I did specifically mention the use of RTAI Linux as the operating system
[17:29:34] <alex_joni> robotic trimmer?
[17:29:39] <alex_joni> as in nose hair?
[17:29:43] <alex_joni> ROFL
[17:30:05] <les_w> well yeah, the one I estimated at half a million or so and they said ok
[17:30:10] <les_w> haha
[17:30:33] <les_w> trims a fourth order transducer to frequency and Q
[17:31:00] <Jymmm> Total Cost: $237.89 (which includes the $134.12 in decals for the box I had sitting in the corner to look new)
[17:31:39] <Jymmm> <Les_w> Total Cost: $237.89 (which includes the $134.12 in decals for the box I had sitting in the corner to look new)
[17:31:57] <les_w> heh
[17:32:24] <les_w> Well, I would design the mechanics and work out the math
[17:32:39] <Jymmm> just order from china =)
[17:32:43] <les_w> And hire one of you I hope to write code
[17:32:50] <les_w> heh
[17:33:35] <les_w> I should mention.....This prob is not for someone with a day job....because NDAs would have to be signed
[17:34:18] <les_w> That would be problematic if one was an employee of another company
[17:34:35] <Jymmm> nuh uh =)
[17:35:17] <les_w> ha
[17:35:29] <les_w> anyway this would not be emc.....
[17:35:41] <les_w> but it would use RTAI
[17:35:51] <les_w> and might optionally use HAL
[17:35:55] <Jymmm> "ITW You are goin down!" LETS GET READY TO RUMBLE!!!
[17:36:05] <les_w> but I would have to talk to jmk about that
[17:37:11] <alex_joni> he does have a day job :D
[17:37:17] <les_w> yeah
[17:37:50] <les_w> this would invole some motion, but not like cnc
[17:38:48] <les_w> it would be a kerchunk ping zap kerchunk thing
[17:38:49] <les_w> heh
[17:39:18] <les_w> move work into place....
[17:39:18] <robin_sz> nah, laser trim it :)
[17:39:49] <les_w> pink it with a delta function or hamming weited psudo random nois pule
[17:39:56] <les_w> pulse
[17:40:13] <les_w> calculate system function and trim parameters
[17:40:21] <les_w> fire the laser
[17:40:27] <les_w> then on to the next one
[17:40:37] <les_w> hi robin
[17:40:54] <les_w> I got at least a verbal ok on this....
[17:40:55] <robin_sz> the hard part will be *accurately* positioning the sample
[17:41:20] <robin_sz> I predict soem robot vision here
[17:41:27] <les_w> robin I asked for a budget if $500,0000......
[17:41:36] <les_w> so we can do vision
[17:41:37] <robin_sz> yeah, I saw
[17:42:08] <les_w> I called up corporate to see if that was really real....
[17:42:13] <robin_sz> i would use vision to get size and position, feed that back into the trim algo
[17:42:23] <les_w> the guty said "it's peanuts."
[17:42:29] <robin_sz> coo
[17:42:43] <les_w> yeah
[17:42:48] <les_w> i'm happy
[17:43:21] <robin_sz> I did a bit of work for a system that soldered/brazed some tungsten tips onto some holders with a laser
[17:43:25] <les_w> I figure it would be about a 20-50 watt yag
[17:43:38] <robin_sz> we settled on a 2 position arm, one loading, one soldering
[17:43:44] <les_w> hmm
[17:43:51] <robin_sz> because throughput was only a few hundred per day
[17:44:27] <robin_sz> q switched yag may be the way
[17:44:41] <les_w> I think I would add extra mass and damping in the form of polymer coatings...then controllably ablate that off
[17:45:00] <les_w> rather than try to blast metal or PZT
[17:45:12] <robin_sz> pzt might go ok
[17:45:19] <robin_sz> dunno
[17:45:27] <robin_sz> ceramic cut fine with co2
[17:45:31] <robin_sz> dunno about yag
[17:45:35] <les_w> two coupled resonators...both trimmed to a target frequency and Q
[17:45:56] <robin_sz> could do it with real tim feedback
[17:46:08] <les_w> that's the plan
[17:46:10] <robin_sz> several itterative stages
[17:46:18] <les_w> and adaptive feedforward
[17:46:23] <robin_sz> yeah
[17:46:41] <robin_sz> could build a lot of historical data for that
[17:46:46] <les_w> I did that with the mirror heaters and it worked great
[17:47:29] <robin_sz> how many per day do you need to do?
[17:47:32] <robin_sz> roughly?
[17:47:43] <robin_sz> 10s 100s 1000s?
[17:47:46] <robin_sz> cant say?
[17:47:58] <les_w> Actually I can probably do 3 sigma on all the components except the PZT
[17:48:17] <les_w> 1000's I hope
[17:48:26] <robin_sz> per day?
[17:48:46] <les_w> the PZT will vary in density, modulus, Q, etc
[17:48:54] <les_w> I hope yes
[17:49:01] <les_w> might be much smaller
[17:49:16] <robin_sz> wow, poweder coating guns for housewives, every home should have one?
[17:49:33] <robin_sz> or you have some top secret killer app?
[17:49:41] <les_w> not poweder coating guns...
[17:49:47] <robin_sz> secret?
[17:50:09] <les_w> but every single air operated pneumatic tool
[17:50:21] <robin_sz> coo
[17:50:21] <skunkworks> finger burner
[17:50:35] <robin_sz> * robin_sz wonders why every tool would need thoudands of vlots
[17:51:14] <robin_sz> some sort of multi-slot rotating turret then
[17:51:23] <les_w> as a side benefit I can run a microcontroller and flashing lights with the pressure and flow of breating though a soda straw
[17:51:36] <robin_sz> liek the way they reload shells for shotguns
[17:51:44] <les_w> breathing
[17:51:49] <robin_sz> really?
[17:52:14] <les_w> yes!!!! I was shocked to find out the latest proto would do that
[17:52:27] <robin_sz> wow ... and build cost is cnets?
[17:52:31] <robin_sz> cents?
[17:52:36] <les_w> So it goes far beyond the original ap
[17:52:47] <les_w> a buck or so
[17:53:07] <les_w> and of course "no moving parts"
[17:53:10] <robin_sz> bit expensive for throw away novelties ..
[17:53:14] <robin_sz> but still
[17:53:34] <les_w> digital pressure gages...
[17:53:46] <les_w> low pressure indicators
[17:53:57] <les_w> various other controls
[17:54:05] <les_w> and no batteries
[17:54:12] <robin_sz> pressure monitoring in aircon systems?
[17:54:20] <les_w> perhaps
[17:54:24] <robin_sz> ooh.
[17:54:26] <robin_sz> I have it
[17:54:33] <robin_sz> .me has an idea
[17:54:37] <les_w> heh
[17:55:09] <les_w> say it here and it's public domain haha
[17:55:24] <robin_sz> no way, I patent it first :)
[17:55:29] <les_w> hahaha
[17:55:47] <les_w> anway I think you get the utility of such a thing
[17:56:10] <skunkworks> that is very cool les
[17:58:08] <les_w> ty
[18:02:37] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/hal_drivers.lyx: applied patch sent by Anders Wallin (m5i20 descriptions)
[18:02:57] <Jymmm> les_w: So, when this goes public, we can get some eval units? (hint hint nudge nudge)
[18:03:16] <les_w> sure
[18:03:17] <les_w> haha
[18:03:19] <alex_joni> Jymmm: we'll sign up as beta testers
[18:03:23] <alex_joni> before it's public :D
[18:03:31] <Jymmm> alex_joni that's what I was thinking.
[18:03:41] <les_w> it will kill roaches and stuff too
[18:03:44] <les_w> I think
[18:03:56] <alex_joni> les_w: anything it doesn't do?
[18:03:59] <Jymmm> les_w: I was sorta serious... I'd like to play with producing energy from air.
[18:04:14] <alex_joni> Jymmm: get a whistle
[18:04:28] <alex_joni> sound waves are energy allright
[18:04:38] <Jymmm> but they dont light LEDs
[18:05:02] <alex_joni> well.. if the sound wave makes them oscilate fast enough.. they might even turn on :D
[18:05:09] <Jymmm> les_w you think it be able to power a tiny trnasmitter?
[18:06:20] <les_w> yes.
[18:07:04] <les_w> heck MIT powers transmitters from walking
[18:07:26] <Jymmm> That would be cool to add to my battery pack + solar blanket on rainy days.
[18:07:30] <les_w> piezopolymer shoe inserts
[18:08:05] <Jymmm> 50amp/hour =)
[18:08:17] <les_w> ha not quite
[18:08:28] <Jymmm> no, I meant to charge, not run =)
[18:08:38] <les_w> more like a few milliwatts
[18:08:44] <les_w> but that's enough
[18:08:50] <les_w> to do a lot of stuff
[18:09:01] <alex_joni> les_w: any way it could be sized?
[18:09:13] <Jymmm> yeah... my solr blanket outputs 24VDC@1A during full sun
[18:09:15] <alex_joni> les_w: make it big, powerfull?
[18:09:19] <les_w> what the MIT stuff?
[18:09:26] <alex_joni> no, your gizmo
[18:09:33] <les_w> well yes
[18:09:37] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is thinking about replacing wind generators
[18:09:51] <A-L-P-H-A> I would mind solar panels on my roof.
[18:09:54] <alex_joni> really BIG
[18:09:54] <A-L-P-H-A> wouldn't
[18:10:07] <les_w> I don't think it's efficient enough for that
[18:10:10] <A-L-P-H-A> 600mega watt generators that are like 15stories high?
[18:10:12] <les_w> I mean my thing
[18:10:23] <A-L-P-H-A> just give me clean fusion power. :D
[18:10:31] <alex_joni> les_w: can you tell how efficient it is? or is that NDA'ed ?
[18:10:55] <les_w> small scale hydropower is the way to beat the electric company
[18:11:03] <les_w> yeah NDA ON THAT STUFF
[18:11:23] <bill203> TELL!
[18:11:24] <bill203> heh
[18:11:30] <alex_joni> les_w: ok ;)
[18:11:44] <les_w> OOPS CAPLOCK STUCK
[18:11:49] <alex_joni> no need to shout though :D
[18:11:57] <les_w> there pried it loose
[18:12:04] <alex_joni> * alex_joni really hopes les will have bucks for a new keyboard
[18:12:23] <les_w> it's that proto one I am life testing
[18:12:29] <Jymmm> les_w wehn is this kybd beta testing over? (how many cases do you have left?)
[18:12:33] <les_w> I think the test is about done
[18:12:53] <les_w> I think I have only a few left
[18:13:00] <les_w> gave most of them away
[18:13:04] <Jymmm> cases or units?
[18:13:18] <les_w> when I found a typical life of a couple months
[18:13:21] <les_w> at most
[18:13:27] <les_w> units
[18:13:53] <les_w> bad key design...it forms a locking taper
[18:14:00] <A-L-P-H-A> les_w... aren't they doing that to a mountain in sweden or swisserland (sp)... they call it "energy mountain".
[18:14:01] <Jymmm> That's pretty sad... but I'm comparing it to *MY* kybd which I've had for about 15 years.
[18:14:09] <les_w> that rapidly wears
[18:14:31] <les_w> alpha not sure
[18:14:44] <les_w> but it would rally beat batteries
[18:14:45] <SWPLinux> are these keyboards in the shop, or in the office?
[18:14:49] <les_w> really
[18:15:04] <les_w> office SWP
[18:15:18] <les_w> shift enter and caps lock go first
[18:15:33] <SWPLinux> I've hadthe same Keyttronics KB for >5 years
[18:15:36] <SWPLinux> heh
[18:15:42] <SWPLinux> that wasn't very impressive, was it?
[18:15:48] <cradek> haha
[18:15:53] <Jymmm> lol
[18:15:54] <SWPLinux> (this isn't it, but still)
[18:16:02] <les_w> We sold our keyboard division many years ago
[18:16:03] <SWPLinux> they work as well as I do ;)
[18:16:18] <les_w> It was a great quality saturable reactor type
[18:16:19] <SWPLinux> the only reason it's so young is that's when I bought my main computer
[18:17:01] <les_w> magnets on the keys saturated little 1 turn transformers
[18:17:20] <SWPLinux> woohoo. maybe.
[18:17:34] <les_w> It was called Cortron
[18:17:35] <Jymmm> les_w : So don't use my shaker flashlight near the keyboard huh?
[18:17:46] <SWPLinux> I think my (slowpoke) camera customer just told me that he'll fund the (new, smaller) project even if his customer decides to bag it
[18:17:55] <les_w> Some of my tools came from there
[18:18:03] <les_w> good
[18:18:06] <SWPLinux> so woohoo!?
[18:18:13] <les_w> the funding seems good everywhere
[18:18:17] <fenn> * fenn yawns
[18:18:18] <Jymmm> SWPadnos cool beans!
[18:18:20] <les_w> I just hope it holds up
[18:18:26] <fenn> * fenn crunches
[18:18:29] <SWPLinux> well, $300k is << $900k
[18:18:39] <SWPLinux> I think he noticed that ;)
[18:18:45] <Jymmm> SWPadnos how many cameras?
[18:18:48] <Jymmm> for $300K
[18:18:57] <SWPLinux> one system, with 75 sensor heads
[18:19:22] <les_w> Sure is good to have work huh SWP
[18:19:22] <Jymmm> SWPadnos and your cost pre sensor/camera (apx) ?
[18:19:29] <Jymmm> per
[18:19:29] <les_w> I mean good paying stuff
[18:19:30] <SWPLinux> I'll know next week, I think ;)
[18:19:40] <Jymmm> heh
[18:19:51] <SWPLinux> Jymmm: dunno yet, but that includes the engineering as well
[18:19:53] <A-L-P-H-A> I think it's about time to kill the power fans in my machine... either I'll oil them, or watercool again
[18:20:00] <Jymmm> SWPadnos guestimate?
[18:20:06] <SWPLinux> it's ~100k for the cameras themselves
[18:20:12] <Jymmm> SWPadnos ewwwwww
[18:20:18] <SWPLinux> cost may be ~350-500 each
[18:20:31] <SWPLinux> plus some supports and a kick-ass computer
[18:21:18] <Jymmm> SWPadnos for $300K, support and maintance are NOT included, warranty expires upon receipt of product.
[18:21:57] <A-L-P-H-A> friday afternoon reading. http://www.stardestroyer.net/Empire/Tech/Beam/DeathStar.html
[18:22:06] <SWPLinux> of course no warranty
[18:22:18] <SWPLinux> and no production rights, and no training ...
[18:22:57] <Jymmm> SWPadnos did you ever say what the purpose of this was?
[18:23:19] <SWPLinux> think "The Matrix"
[18:23:37] <Jymmm> film industry?
[18:23:51] <Jymmm> scientific? data collection?
[18:24:33] <SWPLinux> entertainment, but I have other industrial and scientific applications in mind
[18:24:38] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[18:24:42] <alex_joni> SWPLinux: the stuff where they capture with a lot of cameras simultaneously then playback one frame each?
[18:24:51] <SWPLinux> alex_joni: yep
[18:24:58] <alex_joni> nifty
[18:25:22] <SWPLinux> also possibly consumer - it'll be a high-res (5MP or higher) camera that has 10/100 or gigabit ethernet, and runs Linux ...
[18:25:35] <SWPLinux> also security etc.
[18:25:37] <alex_joni> yummy :D
[18:26:42] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos. still got that link I posted yesterday? post it up again.
[18:27:20] <SWPLinux> err - which one?
[18:27:25] <A-L-P-H-A> tnyurl one
[18:27:28] <A-L-P-H-A> tinyurl
[18:27:37] <alex_joni> http://./
[18:27:43] <SWPLinux> I'm not sure I want to ;)
[18:29:08] <A-L-P-H-A> went an saw the movie B13... it was pretty cool... it was in french though... didn't realize that.
[18:29:25] <A-L-P-H-A> District B13
[18:30:59] <SWPLinux> lucky me - I don't have it in my scrollback. (phew - off the hook)
[18:31:11] <alex_joni> logger_aj: bookmark
[18:31:11] <alex_joni> See
[18:31:30] <SWPLinux> close your eyes and turn off thesound
[18:32:17] <A-L-P-H-A> damn it!
[18:32:19] <A-L-P-H-A> too far back
[18:32:52] <alex_joni> http://ftp.x.org/pub/X11R7.1/src/xserver/ this one?
[18:33:29] <A-L-P-H-A> http://tinyurl.com/etko7 <-- not work safe.
[18:34:46] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is afraid to look
[18:35:05] <les_w> ha
[18:35:16] <SWPLinux> it's not "psyche safe" either
[18:35:37] <alex_joni> heh
[18:35:41] <les_w> you know, it's only 2:37 pm here
[18:35:42] <les_w> but
[18:35:45] <les_w> I say
[18:35:48] <SWPLinux> time to go home
[18:35:53] <les_w> let the weekend begin.
[18:35:54] <SWPLinux> oh wait - I work at home
[18:35:59] <les_w> haha
[18:36:00] <SWPLinux> time to go somewhere else
[18:36:11] <SWPLinux> maybe I'll go trade in the rental car
[18:36:18] <les_w> Well I am writing dull reports
[18:36:46] <les_w> tractor seat time sounds better right about now
[18:36:50] <SWPLinux> oh A-L-P-H-A, did you ever do anything else with X/ATI?
[18:37:00] <A-L-P-H-A> No. :(
[18:37:08] <SWPLinux> my machine seems to be working, but very slow, with the ATI fglrx driver
[18:37:29] <SWPLinux> it's misconfigured, so it doesn't use acceleration, but X has correctly started the last wo bootups
[18:37:37] <SWPLinux> two
[18:37:43] <A-L-P-H-A> mine ATI Mobility 7500 works fine... I get something like 1000FPS with glxgears.
[18:37:53] <A-L-P-H-A> mine=my
[18:38:01] <SWPLinux> alex_joni: is DRI enabled in your RTAI kernel package?
[18:38:08] <A-L-P-H-A> my ATI9200SE and ATI9200 fails... others aren't working either.
[18:38:26] <SWPLinux> right - mine is an AGP Radeon 8500DV, which isn't crashing any more (which I like)
[18:38:43] <SWPLinux> IIRC, your PCI card was fine, but AGP was crashing
[18:41:25] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, if I have both cards in... only PCI works.
[18:41:39] <A-L-P-H-A> if I take the PCI card out, the AGP works after runnign dkpg-reconfugre xserver-xorg
[18:42:17] <SWPLinux> ah, ok.
[18:43:10] <alex_joni> SWPLinux: gotta look
[18:44:03] <SWPLinux> ok. I'm not sure if that's the issue. it probably isn't, but I'm not sure of the kernels I tried during/after the dapper upgrade
[18:44:19] <SWPLinux> maybe I'll reboot with the stock dapper kernel
[18:44:21] <SWPLinux> bbl
[18:44:29] <alex_joni> SWPLinux: I see no DRI in the config
[18:45:52] <alex_joni> SWPadnos: what's DRI ?
[18:46:36] <SWPadnos> direct rendering infrastructure
[18:46:50] <SWPadnos> not sure exactly where it is, or what has to be enabled to see it
[18:46:58] <A-L-P-H-A> it's for 3d acceleration for non-official driver
[18:46:59] <A-L-P-H-A> s
[18:47:27] <A-L-P-H-A> does anyone like fried bread? [calzone]
[18:48:47] <SWPadnos> also helps with video, I believe
[18:49:39] <A-L-P-H-A> http://tinyurl.com/p8wpm
[18:49:43] <A-L-P-H-A> ^-- work safe
[18:49:54] <A-L-P-H-A> it's the DRI sife
[18:49:55] <A-L-P-H-A> site
[18:50:03] <SWPadnos> heh
[19:00:35] <mess> hi all..
[19:00:40] <A-L-P-H-A> is that dmess?
[19:00:44] <A-L-P-H-A> or just mess?
[19:00:47] <mess> it is
[19:00:53] <A-L-P-H-A> ic
[19:01:04] <mess> laptop
[19:01:07] <A-L-P-H-A> can't decide what to have for lunch.
[19:01:17] <A-L-P-H-A> late lunch mind you
[19:01:24] <mess> having problems withthe desk top
[19:01:40] <skunkworks> I had left over cold pizza - the best lunch
[19:01:50] <A-L-P-H-A> that's BREAKFAST!
[19:01:51] <jepler> no no the leftover cold pizza is for breakfast
[19:01:54] <mess> Astoria on the danforth sounds good... bring me back take out
[19:02:13] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm trying to stay away from the danforth...
[19:02:39] <skunkworks> sorry - i don't eat breakfast
[19:02:44] <mess> but the Astoria's souvlaki is THE finest in the world...
[19:02:45] <A-L-P-H-A> I've got choice of hotfood from loblaws, or the local pizzeria, or a burger from McD, BK, Wendy's.
[19:03:11] <mess> id do thee oblaws hot food
[19:03:31] <mess> loblaws
[19:03:50] <skunkworks> never heard of loblaws
[19:04:05] <A-L-P-H-A> http://tinyurl.com/mlq4l
[19:04:17] <A-L-P-H-A> so far...
[19:04:23] <A-L-P-H-A> it'd take me like 30 minutes to drive there...
[19:04:30] <A-L-P-H-A> taking hwy 2, to danforth across.
[19:04:40] <A-L-P-H-A> probably no parking around ther either.
[19:05:27] <mess> is that the address of the astoria???
[19:05:47] <A-L-P-H-A> yup
[19:06:00] <A-L-P-H-A> skunkworks, loblaws is a canadian chain of supermarkets.
[19:06:10] <mess> sweet... yur good..
[19:06:40] <A-L-P-H-A> pizzeria it is!
[19:06:43] <A-L-P-H-A> calzone!
[19:06:51] <mess> canadian
[19:07:04] <alex_joni> would you please stop talking about FOOD?
[19:07:06] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is hungry
[19:07:10] <alex_joni> and this isn't helping :D
[19:07:37] <mess> del monico steaks this evening after soccer
[19:11:02] <A-L-P-H-A> black angus steaks for me thanks.
[19:11:21] <A-L-P-H-A> nice 1" thick 12oz... rare.
[19:11:41] <A-L-P-H-A> with a good red wine, or a stella artrois pint.
[19:11:42] <A-L-P-H-A> or two.
[19:13:23] <A-L-P-H-A> http://www.frommers.com/destinations/toronto/D34399.html
[19:26:49] <A-L-P-H-A> where'd everyone go?
[19:26:59] <mess> my del monico is hand cut from a beautiful 6-8 lb prime rib roast
[19:27:16] <mess> by me
[19:27:43] <A-L-P-H-A> mine's served by hot waitresses...
[19:29:34] <mess> but i love to cook 'em... i love the smell a bunin' meat in the mornin'
[19:30:05] <mess> maybe i was a nazi in a past life... i dunno
[19:31:52] <mess> i found if you want it RARe best to do it yourself... i like med-rare... on the rarer side prefered.. and most times in rrestaurants.... i get fed MEDIUM full..
[19:32:30] <mess> we had 1 regular in the restaurant.... he wanted BLUE...
[19:33:01] <alex_joni> blue?
[19:33:19] <mess> even if the special was blackened steak... he ordered it BLUe
[19:33:56] <mess> you pass it over the pan.... a good medic could save it sorta cooked
[19:34:25] <A-L-P-H-A> it's a steak, that just has both sides seared... nothing else.
[19:34:32] <A-L-P-H-A> it doesn't cook into the steak.
[19:34:50] <A-L-P-H-A> think very very hot grill...just to put grill marks on it
[19:34:51] <mess> yup.. bleedin'
[19:35:00] <A-L-P-H-A> I can eat that.
[19:35:03] <A-L-P-H-A> i don't care.
[19:35:07] <mess> me too..
[19:35:21] <A-L-P-H-A> I have eaten that... grossed my friends out. :D
[19:35:25] <A-L-P-H-A> it was sooo juicy.
[19:35:49] <A-L-P-H-A> it was like protein and animal juice.
[19:36:09] <mess> and they are eating shoe leather... been there... OH i want mine well done... famous last words
[19:36:18] <alex_joni> how do you make glxgears to show fps?
[19:36:29] <A-L-P-H-A> glxgears -printfps
[19:37:10] <A-L-P-H-A> argh...
[19:37:16] <A-L-P-H-A> too much rum in too little coke
[19:38:26] <mess> Alpha.. you and i need to meet... cause the rumor with your resume is we've known each other for a yr or so...
[19:39:02] <A-L-P-H-A> 'ight
[19:39:03] <A-L-P-H-A> wen?
[19:39:05] <A-L-P-H-A> when
[19:39:26] <alex_joni> mess is the one holding the red rose
[19:39:32] <A-L-P-H-A> technically I think we have known each other for a year or so... as we've been here for at least that long.
[19:39:42] <mess> the QA dept... looks like where i got it into first... a goog friend is hopping to mfg..
[19:39:58] <A-L-P-H-A> alex_joni... hush you... just cause you can't join in, shouldn't make you jealeous.
[19:40:24] <alex_joni> A-L-P-H-A: :P
[19:40:32] <mess> it would be nice for you to get his job...
[19:40:33] <A-L-P-H-A> http://tinyurl.com/gg7z5
[19:40:45] <A-L-P-H-A> yeah...
[19:41:07] <A-L-P-H-A> aftermixing that coke a little, it tastes not bad... a little strong. but good.
[19:41:09] <mess> WE ARE the A-team... QRT quick response team...
[19:41:19] <A-L-P-H-A> Do we wear red shirts?
[19:41:25] <mess> yup
[19:41:36] <A-L-P-H-A> can't it be like navy blue? or like the best buy blue?
[19:41:42] <mess> sucks... i know... and you get his.. LOL
[19:41:49] <alex_joni> pink with blue dots
[19:41:52] <K4ts> hello
[19:41:55] <A-L-P-H-A> hello K4ts.
[19:42:07] <mess> bonjour k4ts
[19:42:23] <A-L-P-H-A> K4ts, do you have a shared interest in EMC, robotics, CNC, motion control? Are you here to keep alex_joni company today?
[19:42:30] <K4ts> bonsoir mess
[19:42:44] <mess> they seemed impressed with the ba in math...
[19:42:52] <A-L-P-H-A> cool.
[19:43:01] <A-L-P-H-A> if it comes in use... great. :D
[19:43:21] <A-L-P-H-A> mess, when did you want to meet up?
[19:43:36] <mess> with your s/ware knowledge... i figure.. go big buddy
[19:43:53] <mess> whats up tommorrw AM
[19:44:03] <A-L-P-H-A> mid morning works for me.
[19:44:20] <A-L-P-H-A> Ajax, whitby, 'shwa?
[19:44:36] <A-L-P-H-A> Brunch somewhere, on me?
[19:44:50] <mess> i have a 9:00 around the corner from work that will take few hrs probably
[19:45:04] <K4ts> have a my interest in emc is called giacus, and then I read in order to learn l English!
[19:45:29] <A-L-P-H-A> l English? What's the "l" for?
[19:45:35] <mess> she's smart
[19:45:36] <A-L-P-H-A> K4ts... your english is fine. :)
[19:45:47] <A-L-P-H-A> she's probably fine as well. ;)
[19:45:57] <K4ts> A-L-P-H-A: my translate i s fine :-)
[19:45:58] <A-L-P-H-A> 'fine' is a euphamism for pretty.
[19:46:01] <mess> just dream
[19:46:26] <mess> now explain euphamism...LOL
[19:46:52] <A-L-P-H-A> euphamism = words that mean the same but do not sound as direct.
[19:47:15] <A-L-P-H-A> I only use words that i can explain.
[19:47:24] <mess> clue.. when defining or explaining always use shorter simpler words...
[19:47:41] <mess> synonym>>>
[19:47:51] <A-L-P-H-A> whois Roguish?
[19:48:09] <jepler> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euphemism
[19:48:21] <mess> oh pls..ppl
[19:48:38] <A-L-P-H-A> jepler, so... is my explaination incorrect? :P
[19:49:26] <K4ts> mess pourquoi A-L-P-H-A demande moi ├ža?
[19:50:20] <A-L-P-H-A> Je ne pas demander pour petite K4ts.
[19:50:22] <mess> un momant svp K
[19:50:44] <A-L-P-H-A> pour grammer, but I think my thought came across fine.
[19:50:45] <K4ts> why you ask me this' A-L-P-H-A ?
[19:51:07] <A-L-P-H-A> Je ne c'est pas.
[19:51:11] <K4ts> AHAH
[19:51:43] <mess> its the IMPLIED ... conotations that differentiat an euthanism and a synonym
[19:51:49] <A-L-P-H-A> Tu parles Francais? Je ne parle francais tres bein.
[19:52:51] <mess> c'est beau ca aussi... NOT ON YOUR FACKING RESUME PEANUT
[19:53:09] <jepler> A-L-P-H-A: I might have said it was "slang", because you don't use "fine" instead of "pretty" because the word "pretty" is uncomfortable to use or hear, and in wikipedia that seems to be an important distinction.
[19:53:56] <mess> pretty is 2 sylables... and sounds FINER
[19:54:01] <K4ts> OUI JE PARLE FRANCAISE
[19:54:04] <alex_joni> peut'etre on pouvais changer la langue en #emc :)
[19:54:19] <jepler> ich bin ein berliner
[19:54:21] <mess> pas toi K4ts
[19:54:28] <A-L-P-H-A> that's german isn't it?
[19:54:35] <alex_joni> jepler: deutsch ist auch gut ;)
[19:54:41] <alex_joni> * alex_joni hat keine Probleme damit
[19:54:46] <A-L-P-H-A> damn grade 9 french for bring me this far.
[19:54:50] <jepler> yeah, speaking english damit
[19:55:12] <A-L-P-H-A> Ashloe... (well... that's how it's pronouced anyways)
[19:55:16] <mess> i can read most german i seen enuf siemens manuals...
[19:56:57] <mess> and worked with enuf slavs-croats-hungarians to swear in many lanuages..
[19:57:08] <A-L-P-H-A> brb... gotta call a client.
[19:57:12] <K4ts> easy English respect succeeds me piu all to write in French or Italian: -)
[19:57:45] <K4ts> giacus
[19:57:47] <K4ts> hello
[19:58:06] <mess> sweet.... and you ARE fine K4ts
[20:04:12] <A-L-P-H-A> so... where's my animal named stalker??
[20:04:26] <A-L-P-H-A> I need like a female beta stalking me on irc channels.
[20:05:38] <fenn> female betta? like a guppy?
[20:05:39] <A-L-P-H-A> fyi... a "beta fish", is a fish that is bread for it's bright colors... however the female beta fish is a dull coloured.
[20:05:47] <A-L-P-H-A> is it betta or beta?
[20:06:22] <A-L-P-H-A> cause betta would be pronouced as "bet-tah"... while beta is "bay-tah".
[20:06:30] <A-L-P-H-A> I want more coke for my more rum
[20:06:45] <A-L-P-H-A> Appleton's Black label.
[20:07:07] <fenn> your coke must have been transdimensionalated into my fridge
[20:07:14] <K4ts> giacus is mute?
[20:07:30] <fenn> no he's just dumb *badump-psht*
[20:07:31] <A-L-P-H-A> no, he's just dumb. :) hahahha
[20:08:06] <K4ts> tonight?
[20:08:17] <A-L-P-H-A> http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=dumb
[20:08:32] <fenn> betta is the proper spelling but it is often spelled beta
[20:08:47] <A-L-P-H-A> I like 'beta' better.
[20:09:13] <fenn> maybe you should change your name then
[20:11:04] <A-L-P-H-A> alpha > beta > ... > omega > fenn
[20:11:28] <fenn> yes, i am the most highly evolved alphabetic life form
[20:11:51] <A-L-P-H-A> dumbdumb... ">" is the great then sign. alpha is greater than beta.
[20:18:02] <mess> ive always been the ALPHA MALE in any-place i worked.... and it took less than a yr for me to turn this shop floor
[20:18:38] <A-L-P-H-A> I'm not gonna make any smart alec remarks... cause I may be working there.
[20:18:40] <A-L-P-H-A> :)
[20:18:47] <A-L-P-H-A> <-- smarter... somewhat.
[20:19:14] <mess> i dint climb the ladder to success i kick and crawl my way over other ppl's backs and shoulders
[20:20:04] <mess> im a math junkie too .... fyi
[20:20:38] <mess> got me this far on bul*hit and bubblegum though
[20:21:52] <K4ts> K4ts is now known as K4ts_afk
[20:22:12] <A-L-P-H-A> AFK = a farce knack?
[20:27:42] <giacus> hello
[20:28:04] <giacus> go away .. later /part
[20:28:28] <sucaig> hello
[20:28:40] <etla> hi
[20:29:18] <etla> anyone know who wrote the m5i20 driver ?
[20:30:43] <sucaig> the source code should tell you that
[20:31:10] <etla> yeah... but i'm lazy :)
[20:31:19] <sucaig> some (c) notices should be in
[20:31:32] <sucaig> oh .. you lazy ? :)
[20:31:36] <sucaig> nice
[20:32:30] <sucaig> why ?
[20:33:05] <etla> there are some undocumented pins/functions
[20:33:10] <sucaig> don't you like to explore the source code of a driver ?
[20:34:57] <fenn> etla: peter wallace
[20:35:03] <fenn> at mesa
[20:35:24] <etla> he wrote the fpga code
[20:35:35] <sucaig> I see double
[20:35:38] <etla> but I just emailed him he does not know about the details of the driver
[20:35:55] <etla> well I'm looking at the source now
[20:42:41] <fenn> pete vavaroutsos wrote the driver maybe?
[20:43:08] <etla> yep, it has his name at the top, and jmk's
[20:43:20] <etla> I think I've now figured out everything but the e-stop pin
[20:43:41] <K4ts_afk> K4ts_afk is now known as K4ts
[20:46:25] <K4ts> sucaig hi:-)
[20:47:26] <giacus> I think you just seen *tele2* ..
[20:47:52] <K4ts> ahah
[20:47:56] <giacus> what if I use an ipv6 tunnel broker ?
[20:48:07] <giacus> ciao
[20:48:11] <giacus> :)
[20:53:04] <giacus> are so happy to find me this evening ?
[20:53:28] <giacus> did you forget how you closed me irc yestarday ?
[20:53:43] <giacus> ]:)
[20:54:51] <giacus> just killed the window without let me time to reply ..
[20:56:37] <K4ts> bang bang killed!
[20:56:47] <giacus> what should I do now ?
[20:56:58] <giacus> * giacus take a gun
[20:58:02] <giacus> next time you'll close the chat in that way, i'll be busy forever ..
[20:58:05] <K4ts> you write my email giacus?
[20:58:10] <giacus> its a promise :)
[20:58:20] <mess> im a tracker.... just draw blood
[20:58:37] <giacus> K4ts: negative
[20:59:22] <giacus> at least in the latest day
[20:59:44] <giacus> maybe it is the mail I forward you from mark ..
[20:59:49] <giacus> mr mark
[21:00:11] <giacus> but was 2-3 days ago, or more
[21:00:19] <A-L-P-H-A> giacus, i thought you were leaving
[21:00:27] <A-L-P-H-A> K4ts was looking for you... to stalk you.
[21:00:45] <giacus> A-L-P-H-A: thx, I know
[21:00:47] <A-L-P-H-A> SWPadnos, i tried a few more things with xorg... still no go.
[21:00:51] <A-L-P-H-A> giacus okay
[21:04:44] <davidf> hi
[21:13:27] <davidf> I have ubuntu 5.10 installed & running. SWPadnos helped me get emc2 running. Now I'd like to get Axis installed, v1.2.1 I think. But I'm finding I really need first, basic knowledge of using linux in general before I go much farther. Can someone give me a clue as to where to go to learn the basic skills & knowledge set I'll need to use sudo commands, install & build packages, navigate the filesystem in a terminal, and all the basic stuff I need to lea
[21:13:28] <davidf> rn. I certainly don't want to keep bugging people with very basic questions in order to do some simple thing. Thanks.
[21:14:08] <cradek> hi dave, a good place to start might be the ubuntu wiki
[21:14:12] <alex_joni> you can very easily add axis
[21:14:14] <cradek> there are answers to common questions there
[21:14:26] <alex_joni> sudo apt-get install emc2-axis
[21:14:43] <cradek> actually I bet axis is already installed
[21:15:21] <davidf> Hi cradek. Thanks. Yes, I was on your site & tried to follow the instruction you just gave but I got python - etc. no such file or directory."
[21:15:51] <alex_joni> davidf: ubuntu uses some so-called repositories with packages in them
[21:16:14] <alex_joni> in order to install a package (emc2-axis in your case), the system needs to get all the other ones it depends on
[21:16:30] <davidf> I figured axis would be installed too, butI don't see it. However, the emc2 sim-axis runs, so it must be somewhere in some form or other.
[21:16:32] <alex_joni> but if it doesn't know of some repositories, it can't find the missing packages (python,etc)
[21:16:46] <alex_joni> if emc2, sim-axis runs, then you HAVE it already
[21:17:08] <davidf> I see (said the blind man to his deaf wife.)
[21:17:42] <alex_joni> all you need to do is pick your favorite config (from /etc/emc2/sample-configs/), copy it to your home folder (/home/dave/emc2/configs/daveconfig)
[21:18:03] <alex_joni> and edit the ini to set AXIS as the desired GUI (DISPLAY = axis )
[21:18:32] <davidf> Right I figured that but I'm finding that even a simple task like locating the executable & running it is diffficult, so I realy have a learning curve to climb I guess.
[21:19:00] <alex_joni> indeed, that's not a trivial thing for a newcomer
[21:19:09] <alex_joni> but for now you can still run from the menu
[21:20:08] <davidf> Thanks for the above. I tried to find axis in emc2 list but it only shows in sim-axis on my list.
[21:20:41] <davidf> giacu ran for the hills. Saw me coming :)
[21:23:07] <alex_joni> davidf: you can change each of the entries in the list to run AXIS
[21:23:43] <davidf> alex_joni, Ok. I see in your instructions that there will be several things I'll need to set up I guess. I will try to do that & hopefully learn as I go.
[21:24:12] <alex_joni> davidf: first thing is to know where your home folder is
[21:24:17] <alex_joni> cd ~
[21:24:23] <alex_joni> ~ stands for Home
[21:24:40] <davidf> ok.
[21:24:44] <alex_joni> pwd = gives you the current directory path (path to working directory)
[21:25:00] <alex_joni> now you need to create a folder called emc2 (mkdir emc2)
[21:25:25] <alex_joni> enter it (cd emc2) and make a folder called configs (mkdir configs)
[21:25:42] <cradek> while it's useful to know how to use the shell when using unix, it's no longer necessary for someone who's more comfortable with working at the gui
[21:26:32] <alex_joni> cradek: this should be left over from DOS days ;)
[21:26:53] <davidf> actually, all the above is getting more familiar as my failing memory is jogged. I worked with a unix like system for awhile in 1996-97
[21:27:02] <cradek> ah ok
[21:27:11] <alex_joni> but if you can walk him through in copying the stuff with the GUI.. be my guest ;)
[21:27:32] <cradek> there are instructions on the linuxcnc wiki for copying a sample configuration and editing it
[21:27:45] <cradek> (using the shell or the gui)
[21:27:47] <alex_joni> even better
[21:27:57] <cradek> let me find it
[21:28:29] <cradek> go to wiki.linuxcnc.org
[21:28:36] <cradek> click on "configuring emc2"
[21:28:47] <cradek> then click on "customizing configs on ubuntu"
[21:29:25] <davidf> I think I can figure out the logistics in either methodology, But I think I just need enough info as to what needs to be accomplished. Then I think it would be good for me to struggle with it & only ask you guys if I'm really stuck.
[21:29:46] <davidf> OK. (I was typing all that before I read your last, cradek.)
[21:30:01] <alex_joni> davidf: once you have copied the config you like, you need to modify/edit the ini file (e.g. stepper_mm.ini)
[21:30:17] <alex_joni> once you'll open it, you can probably find the things you want to change
[21:30:29] <cradek> we'll be here if you need us, usually weekends are a good time to catch us
[21:30:49] <alex_joni> davidf: there is also a manual for emc2 (http://www.linuxcnc.org/EMC2_User_Manual.pdf)
[21:32:25] <davidf> Thanks you guys. That should get me going. :0
[21:32:42] <cradek> what kind of machine do you want to run dave?
[21:33:42] <davidf> I have a Taig Micro Mill, with step / dir Parker Compumotor drives, 4 axis (xyz + rotary)
[21:34:03] <cradek> cool, that'll be a great match for emc2
[21:34:13] <cradek> you'll have it going in no time
[21:34:19] <davidf> Also a Seig 7X12 mini Lathe retrofitted with steppers.
[21:34:35] <cradek> you'll definitely want to start with the stepper-xyza sample configuration
[21:34:47] <cradek> and I bet it will be almost perfect (already uses AXIS)
[21:35:02] <davidf> Hope So! I already got it working semi ok with a win 98 freeware pkg albeit slowly.
[21:35:06] <cradek> you will have to set your scales (steps per inch) and basic stuff like that.
[21:35:52] <davidf> in the program, or the ini?
[21:35:59] <cradek> those are in the ini file
[21:36:20] <cradek> you'll want to make that custom config based on stepper-xyza like the wiki page describes, then edit the ini
[21:37:40] <davidf> ok. No problem. I imagine all that will be pretty straightforward. It's just trying to figure out where to even start, and discover what it is I even have & how to find it that is the biggest problem right now. All the stuff that seems obvious but not to a newb. :)
[21:38:17] <cradek> do you like to work in inch or mm?
[21:38:18] <K4ts> night
[21:39:29] <cradek> you will do fine, I bet you will like it when it's going.
[21:39:44] <davidf> I'm pretty comfortable with both, inch for some things, mm for others. I need to cut some large timing pulleys & the specs for those are inch. Also some brass molds for pressed glass, in mm.
[21:40:34] <cradek> ok, the stepper-xyza config is in inch, sounds like you will be ok not changing that right away
[21:40:49] <cradek> some people can only handle one or the other!
[21:40:58] <davidf> Heck, cradek, I already am in love with it & all I've seen is the sim-axis demo. Congrats.
[21:41:10] <cradek> that's terrific to hear
[21:41:29] <cradek> it's really a great program (not only AXIS but also emc2)
[21:41:41] <davidf> I'm so impressed with the work thats being done by you & others.
[21:41:55] <cradek> we appreciate that
[21:42:21] <cradek> I'll be anxious to hear how it works for you once it's going. I bet you'll have the machine moving in just a few hours.
[21:43:10] <davidf> Makes me want to get back to programming more. I wrote a controller for windows for my lathe in VB as I didn't have anything else to work with. It's ok for some jobs, but nothing compared to emc / linux capability.
[21:43:45] <davidf> Oh, one more thing: shouldn't python be already installed, too?
[21:43:49] <cradek> running steppers without a realtime system for generating steps is not going not going to perform well
[21:43:58] <cradek> yes python is installed, axis is written in python
[21:43:59] <alex_joni> if AXIS is running, then it probably already IS
[21:44:07] <davidf> right, tell me about it! :)
[21:44:21] <cradek> :-)
[21:44:40] <cradek> there is a lot of recent interest in using emc 2 for lathes
[21:44:50] <davidf> I found running in safe mode (minimal drivers installed) worked ok, but only at slow speeds.
[21:44:52] <cradek> once your mill is going you'll be in a good position to help test that
[21:45:14] <davidf> Anything I can help with, you got it.
[21:45:16] <davidf> :)
[21:45:18] <cradek> yeah, that sounds like it's not ideal at all
[21:46:13] <davidf> no. I'm so ecstatic to have linux on this box. Even with the learning curve, it is so far and away superior.
[21:46:56] <davidf> Thanks for the help. I'll peruse the links above & see how it goes from there.
[21:47:04] <cradek> it seems to me linux is getting more powerful, and easier for first-time users to use, at the same time - it's a good time to start picking it up.
[21:47:08] <cradek> ok good luck
[21:49:00] <davidf> Yes. I fully intend to learn all I can. I think there will be rafts of opportunities for employment opening up largely due to open source efforts of people like yourself as industry discovers the advantages of Open source & linux.
[21:49:33] <alex_joni> davidf: lets hope so
[21:49:42] <cradek> it's true, I make my living taking care of a team of developers who use open source tools (linux), have been at it 11 years at this company now
[21:50:14] <cradek> of course we weren't on linux 11 years ago (commercial unix) but now linux is the best match for us.
[21:50:28] <davidf> Good for you. But darn, in 11 yrs I'll be past retirement age. :)
[21:50:46] <cradek> good for you too, more time to work with your mill
[21:51:06] <cradek> I don't have that to look forward to for a long time...
[21:51:13] <davidf> Good for you. But darn, in 11 years I'll be past retirement age. :)
[21:51:24] <cradek> haha
[21:51:36] <cradek> speaking of work, the day is over, time to go home
[21:51:56] <cradek> I'll be around later if you get stuck on anything...
[21:52:25] <davidf> Opps. Didn't see the line I just entered. Maxed the window & thought it didn't take. Didn't mean to repeat.
[21:53:05] <davidf> BTW- here's a cute acronym I thought of for a user name:
[21:53:34] <davidf> OICUR2B65B4UCA9252.
[21:53:42] <davidf> Read it off...
[21:53:45] <alex_joni> ouch :D
[21:54:09] <davidf> pretty bad huh?
[21:54:21] <alex_joni> davidf is way better
[21:54:28] <davidf> heh.
[21:54:34] <alex_joni> galaxies away
[21:54:55] <davidf> davidf is often galaxies away.
[21:55:22] <alex_joni> hint: try using /me at the beginning of the line
[21:55:28] <alex_joni> /me is galaxies away
[21:55:34] <alex_joni> without the space ;)
[21:55:39] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is galaxies away
[21:56:26] <davidf> * davidf is too
[21:56:49] <davidf> Nope it needs the space on mine.
[21:57:12] <davidf> Oh, the first space.
[21:57:26] <alex_joni> that's ok
[21:57:38] <davidf> OK, thanks again. See you when I'm out of Kindergarten.
[21:58:42] <alex_joni> davidf: I'm off to bed, way different timezone over here ;)
[21:58:54] <alex_joni> g'night everyone
[21:58:59] <davidf> 'Night.
[22:00:04] <davidf> Bye for now. Thanks again.
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