#emc | Logs for 2006-05-27

[00:06:32] <giacus> hi jmkasunich
[00:07:01] <jmkasunich> hi
[00:10:08] <giacus> what's up ?
[00:12:25] <giacus> tryng to play a bit with the code here
[00:12:46] <giacus> wonder if a 'control info panel' would be useful for emc
[00:15:08] <giacus> something to show all possible informations in real time I mean
[00:15:36] <cradek> axis already has that
[00:15:42] <giacus> I know
[00:15:51] <giacus> not in the way I think ..
[00:16:47] <fenn> have you seen halui?
[00:16:51] <fenn> or was it halvcp
[00:16:52] <fenn> i forget
[00:17:14] <giacus> nope, vever seen it
[00:17:25] <cradek> giacus: I'm talking about "emctop" which is on one of the menus "show emc status" or something like that
[00:17:44] <giacus> cradek: I know that
[00:17:57] <fenn> halvcp/halui is still pretty new
[00:18:01] <cradek> ok
[00:18:03] <cradek> just checking
[00:29:05] <giacus> thinking at what rayh sayd some day ago "19:34 < rayh> thinking about how to explain HAL to new users."
[00:29:11] <giacus> it's hard
[00:29:28] <giacus> they are scared
[00:29:37] <giacus> looking at linux
[00:30:17] <giacus> it would be a friendly approach
[00:30:50] <giacus> but how
[00:32:40] <giacus> the only thing comes to my mind are the GUI
[00:33:58] <giacus> a thing is as appear
[00:34:04] <giacus> but I hate this concept
[00:47:04] <giacus> btw, tryng to ask it to myself
[00:47:44] <giacus> hope for not long time :P
[00:48:11] <anonimasu> rsync ihm
[00:48:36] <anonimasu> err wrong chan
[00:49:35] <giacus> anonimasu: :)
[00:49:47] <giacus> right channel !
[01:02:47] <anonimasu> :)
[01:02:49] <anonimasu> what's up?
[01:03:37] <giacus> all night long here
[01:09:22] <anonimasu> :)
[01:09:45] <fenn> giacus: i do think a gui is the right approach displaying HAL; that's what it was designed for in the first place
[01:12:51] <giacus> theorically its perfect
[01:13:58] <giacus> I agree
[01:17:13] <giacus> playng with cinelerra this latest day, I found it is very nice from the GUI
[01:18:06] <giacus> however, to get results I wanted, I had to use many timed mencoder, ffmpeg, trancode etc .. from console
[01:19:02] <giacus> something like this: mencoder provola.mpg -ovc xvid -xvidencopts bitrate=600:pass=2 -vf scale=320:240 -oac mp3lame -lameopts abr:br=64 -o output.avi
[01:19:39] <giacus> some secret is always hidden
[01:19:56] <giacus> that's the hard thing, to get it out on the gui
[01:20:30] <giacus> and its hard to get 100% of control on the gui
[01:20:38] <giacus> this is my opinion
[01:21:22] <giacus> just hope I'm wrong
[01:22:27] <anonimasu> giacus: you are wrong
[01:23:25] <anonimasu> giacus: it depends on _how_ the design is implemented and which users are targeted..
[01:23:56] <anonimasu> giacus: the 3% power users is less important then the 96% other users :)
[01:24:00] <anonimasu> is/are
[01:25:40] <giacus> yes, its just my point of view
[01:26:25] <giacus> I think to do the equivalent of the command above a wizard would required with a gui
[01:26:48] <giacus> lot of commands need to be execute in the right sequence
[01:26:59] <giacus> and it its hard on a gui
[01:27:15] <giacus> or
[01:27:39] <giacus> the software would decide for the user 50% of things to do
[01:27:43] <giacus> good or bad
[01:27:55] <anonimasu> heuristics :)
[01:28:41] <giacus> i.e I don't know how peoples find kde simple
[01:28:52] <giacus> I found it very difficult
[01:38:11] <Jymmm> giacus: Many moons ago, just to download from newsgroups, make sure you had every post part, uudecode, was pretty overwhelming too.
[01:40:34] <giacus> Jymmm: I'm new to usenet, I didn't read old post
[01:40:42] <giacus> but I'm sure, the topic its old
[01:41:08] <fenn> he means back when linux was an attachment to a usenet thread
[01:41:23] <giacus> oh .. sorry
[01:41:38] <giacus> yeah
[01:41:45] <Jymmm> giacus no point and click p0rn back then =)
[01:42:05] <giacus> sure
[01:43:53] <fenn> eh there was actually
[01:44:02] <Jymmm> fenn not electronically =)
[01:44:18] <fenn> "petits filles" was a webpage at cnr in like 1990
[01:44:32] <Jymmm> heh
[01:45:05] <fenn> it was as completely uncommercial as the rest of the net was
[01:53:37] <giacus> bed calls.. right time for me
[01:53:40] <giacus> G'night
[01:56:05] <Jymmm> Jymmm is now known as Red70sShow
[01:56:05] <Red70sShow> Red70sShow is now known as Jymmm
[02:08:01] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/components/stepgen.c: Fix handling of disable in stepgen. I forgot to clear some internal variables when disabling, which could result in motion and a following error when re-enabling. This probably fixes SF bug 1390123.
[02:36:17] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/src/hal/components/stepgen.c: merge stepgen enable/disable fix from head, fixes following errors on restart
[03:30:43] <CIA-8> 03fenn 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/hal/classicladder/classicladder_gtk.c: got rid of percent signs in Vars window, indented the code to improve readability
[03:34:59] <SkunkWorks> night
[06:58:30] <fenn> oh my god classicladder is so stupid!!!!
[09:59:35] <anonimasu> fenn: ^_^
[11:14:35] <alex_joni> hello
[11:24:19] <alex_joni> bbl, lunch
[11:44:22] <chinamill> What would be a good choise for a processor to run with emc?
[11:44:52] <chinamill> Would a sempron give any advantage to an Athlon?
[13:09:38] <steve_stallings> steve_stallings is now known as steves_logging
[13:26:23] <SkunkWorks> morning
[13:26:45] <chinamill> Hello
[13:28:00] <SkunkWorks> I was impressed on the performance onn the athlon I had played with. If you generating step pulses - I could run the period at .00002 or better.
[13:28:35] <SkunkWorks> If your using it as a step generator - faster the better.
[13:29:10] <SkunkWorks> don't remember the speed - thinking around 1.8ghz or there abouts
[13:30:07] <chinamill> not bad
[13:31:27] <SkunkWorks> right now we have a 450mhz machine that is our main one. I think it is set to a period of .00005 - gives us rapids with our steps per inch around 200ipm
[13:45:44] <chinamill> would a Sempron processor be a good choise for running EMC?
[13:47:56] <SkunkWorks> no experience.
[13:54:03] <jepler> chinamill: I think the AMD processor in the machine that runs cradek's mill is a Sempron.
[13:56:13] <chinamill> ok, I ask about his opinion when he comes around.
[14:47:23] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10axis/debian/ (changelog control):
[14:47:23] <CIA-8> List new items in build-depends, which brings the Ubuntu package closer to
[14:47:23] <CIA-8> building under 'pbuilder' (there's an error installng linux-image-2.6.12-magma
[14:47:23] <CIA-8> in the chroot)
[15:03:23] <Bo> lets see now
[15:04:42] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/debian/D99kernel-img.conf:
[15:04:42] <CIA-8> this is a pbuilder "hook" file. To build emc2 or emc2-axis in a pbuilder
[15:04:42] <CIA-8> chroot, /etc/kernel-img.conf must be modified, or else there is an error
[15:04:42] <CIA-8> when installing the kernel-image package. This hook performs the necessary
[15:04:42] <CIA-8> modification.
[15:22:02] <CIA-8> 03jepler 07HEAD * 10emc2/debian/control: new build-dep discovered by pbuilder
[17:03:16] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07v2_0_branch * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: halconfig is now named halshow, also clean out KILL_TASK to prevent bogus error messages
[17:10:18] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10emc2/scripts/emc.in: halconfig is now named halshow, also clean out KILL_TASK to prevent bogus error messages
[17:46:12] <alex_joni> hiya robin.. welding already?
[17:51:27] <Jymmm> Morning Ladies and Gentlemen
[17:52:13] <Jymmm> alex_joni ask now =)
[17:52:13] <alex_joni> morning Jymmm
[17:52:17] <alex_joni> hiya robin.. welding already?
[17:52:27] <alex_joni> Jymmm: bet he's not really here though
[17:52:33] <Jymmm> alex_joni =)
[17:53:16] <robin_z> grretz
[17:53:33] <robin_z> alex_joni, welding? not me .. I have employees to do that @::)
[17:53:36] <alex_joni> oh.. but he is ;)
[17:53:43] <robin_z> and bloody good at it they are too :)
[17:53:44] <alex_joni> I thought you bought a bot to do that..
[17:53:51] <robin_z> in the process of buying ..
[17:53:56] <robin_z> hey, try this ...
[17:54:06] <robin_z> they welded 15 coolant tanks ...
[17:54:22] <alex_joni> barrels?
[17:54:26] <alex_joni> or square ones?
[17:54:27] <robin_z> totalling 85m of corner to corner seem welds in 3mm
[17:54:30] <robin_z> sqaure
[17:55:00] <alex_joni> 4h total weldtime ;)
[17:55:11] <alex_joni> if my math is right :D
[17:55:11] <robin_z> all nice and ground smooth after ... then water tested for leaks ... even the slightest drop is a fail. how many did we get in 85m?
[17:55:26] <alex_joni> I surely hope none
[17:55:38] <robin_z> indeed
[17:55:57] <alex_joni> but that's not THAT hard, it's still a very good result though
[17:56:10] <alex_joni> you should try the same for pressure recipients
[17:56:16] <alex_joni> tested at 500+ bar ;)
[17:56:22] <robin_z> we normally expect to find one or two ...
[17:56:39] <anonimasu> alex_joni: if there's a crack they blow right?
[17:56:40] <anonimasu> ;)
[17:57:11] <anonimasu> * anonimasu is afraid of high pressure stuff like that
[17:57:30] <alex_joni> anonimasu: right, but to make it nicer usually there's steam inside
[17:57:35] <alex_joni> at that pressure
[17:57:48] <alex_joni> and sometimes not water steem.. but dangerous stuff
[17:58:13] <alex_joni> so only 100% RX testing
[17:58:40] <anonimasu> rx?
[17:58:48] <alex_joni> x-ray
[17:59:18] <alex_joni> you photograph the weld using x-rays, there you can see the tiniest crack
[17:59:28] <giacus> hi guys
[17:59:36] <alex_joni> s/tiniest/tinyest or whatever it's spelled like/
[17:59:38] <alex_joni> hi giacus
[18:00:26] <anonimasu> ah
[18:00:27] <anonimasu> yeah
[18:00:45] <anonimasu> I know ;) but I didnt know the what the "rx" meant ;)
[18:01:15] <alex_joni> oh, sorry.. that's the .ro name for it ;)
[18:01:21] <alex_joni> raze X ;)
[18:02:05] <robin_z> time to reboot the router box
[18:02:31] <robin_z> back in a bit
[18:11:06] <robin_sz> ok, sorted.
[18:11:41] <robin_sz> alex_joni, bought a couple of welders in an auction .. Kemppi 4000 series with the 400 seperate wire feed. nice little 400A set
[18:12:17] <robin_sz> quite a bit smaller than the big old Transmig 500A sets we use at the moment
[18:12:23] <giacus> to use with the robot arm ?
[18:12:37] <robin_sz> nah, thats got an AristoRob weld pack
[18:12:49] <robin_sz> parameters set over CANBUS
[18:12:52] <alex_joni> giacus: Esab ;)
[18:13:16] <alex_joni> robin_sz: I know the guy who sells kemppi in romania, pretty good machines
[18:13:22] <alex_joni> kinda smallish for my taste :D
[18:13:44] <alex_joni> I'm sure they are fine, but personally I'd stay away from inverters :)
[18:14:28] <robin_sz> dont think they are an invertor set are they?
[18:15:04] <alex_joni> I think so.. but I'm not sure
[18:15:07] <robin_sz> traditional transformer and bunch of SCRs
[18:15:17] <alex_joni> oh, really? probably a bit older?
[18:15:33] <robin_sz> say, 50 to 10 yrs
[18:16:23] <robin_sz> invertors are getting a LOT better though
[18:16:58] <alex_joni> heh, this reminds me..
[18:17:03] <alex_joni> we had an exhibition this week
[18:17:21] <alex_joni> and this year we celebrated 50 years since the first CO2 welding machine
[18:17:28] <robin_sz> nice
[18:17:36] <alex_joni> so we had one of the old ones in our booth
[18:17:43] <alex_joni> 40+ years old, but still working
[18:17:45] <anonimasu> hm, inverters are nice to weld with :)
[18:17:52] <robin_sz> nice
[18:18:02] <alex_joni> when I'll see an inverter that can do that.. I'll be convinced :D
[18:18:14] <anonimasu> heh
[18:18:26] <alex_joni> just kidding.. I know there are other reasons why they aren't as fiable as before
[18:18:35] <alex_joni> I mean durable
[18:18:40] <anonimasu> yeah :)
[18:18:48] <robin_sz> invertors are fine .. until they go worng .. then you just cant even find the parts that went wrong ..
[18:19:01] <alex_joni> robin_sz: usually you don't have to look very hard
[18:19:01] <robin_sz> all you can point to is the burnt area where they used to be
[18:19:12] <alex_joni> in my experience it's one big white brick that's busted
[18:19:17] <alex_joni> worth 90% of the machine
[18:19:27] <robin_sz> the IGBT
[18:19:37] <anonimasu> I have a small tig at home and the large tig at work.. the small inverter tig is as nice to weld with..
[18:19:47] <alex_joni> if it's one IGBT.. usually (recently) it's one big inverter block
[18:19:52] <alex_joni> with most of the stuff inside
[18:20:02] <robin_sz> we have TIG, but only a small one .. 500A continuous, 750A peak
[18:20:07] <alex_joni> * alex_joni talks about smaller machines
[18:20:14] <anonimasu> that's not a small tig..
[18:20:15] <anonimasu> :)
[18:20:37] <alex_joni> heh.. you don't get TIG's that are much larger than that..
[18:20:43] <robin_sz> it is ... two of us can move it on its wheels if we push hard
[18:20:52] <alex_joni> I can imagine ;)
[18:21:05] <robin_sz> big old Miller Synchrowave 500
[18:21:09] <anonimasu> heh
[18:21:15] <alex_joni> yup, those are the good ones ;)
[18:21:19] <alex_joni> 'mericun machines
[18:21:20] <alex_joni> :D
[18:21:22] <robin_sz> yeah
[18:21:36] <robin_sz> not small, but very smooth and reliable
[18:21:41] <alex_joni> you won't be able to kill it with one of those street rollers
[18:21:46] <robin_sz> heh
[18:21:57] <anonimasu> I find the hard thing with newer tig's is finding out a nice set of parameetrs
[18:22:12] <alex_joni> I remember some time ago they had a different concept for welding machines
[18:22:20] <alex_joni> it was called henn & chickens
[18:22:27] <anonimasu> I hate tweaking to get clean nice welds ;)
[18:22:28] <robin_sz> so many options on newer tigs .. slop up,. slope out, pulse, background, blah blah blah
[18:22:29] <alex_joni> one BIG power source, and several wire feeders
[18:22:35] <anonimasu> yeah
[18:22:42] <anonimasu> pw and balance
[18:22:47] <anonimasu> blance is nice though
[18:22:48] <alex_joni> I've seen 2400A+ power sources @ 100% ;)
[18:22:55] <alex_joni> anonimasu: only for alu
[18:23:03] <anonimasu> alex_joni: yeah :)
[18:23:08] <anonimasu> or if you run pulsed..
[18:23:22] <alex_joni> yeah, but not much point for TIG (except alu ;)
[18:23:32] <anonimasu> it's nice for thin stainless :)
[18:23:39] <robin_sz> alex_joni, looking at a fronius pulse synergic thing .. neat, but heavily computerised
[18:23:53] <alex_joni> you should look at a Quinto 2 from cloos ;)
[18:23:55] <anonimasu> hm, I did weld with a fronius a while back
[18:23:58] <anonimasu> me?
[18:23:59] <alex_joni> my head hurts from looking inside
[18:24:10] <Jymmm> alex_joni then stop looking in your head!!!
[18:24:11] <anonimasu> it sucked :S
[18:24:12] <alex_joni> anonimasu: you too if you like..
[18:24:20] <anonimasu> I were dissapointed
[18:24:24] <alex_joni> anonimasu: fronius is pretty good, what was wrong?
[18:24:53] <alex_joni> robin_sz: Ethernet, CAN, 6xserial, OMI (Open Machine Interface) which acts like a PLC, etc..
[18:25:35] <robin_sz> alex_joni, nice for robotics I guess .. but this is just whatever we find in the local auctions :)
[18:25:38] <alex_joni> it does cost control (tells you exactly how much money you spent that day for gas, wire, electricity, welder)
[18:25:51] <anonimasu> had a pretty erratic arc and stuff
[18:26:33] <alex_joni> robin_sz: DSP based, fiber optics between control and power stage
[18:28:12] <robin_sz> alex_joni, guess how much http://www.bachetreharne.com/images/A63205A/168.gif
[18:28:33] <alex_joni> 800 quid?
[18:28:34] <Jymmm> $19.95 no up, no extras!
[18:28:40] <robin_sz> alex_joni, 220
[18:28:44] <robin_sz> got 2
[18:28:50] <alex_joni> that's decent
[18:28:56] <alex_joni> only gas cooling though
[18:29:03] <alex_joni> I wouldn't go much over 250A
[18:29:12] <robin_sz> yeah, thats OK we use 1.2mm wire max
[18:29:17] <anonimasu> I watercooled torches is so sweet :
[18:29:18] <anonimasu> :)
[18:29:26] <alex_joni> I weld 450A with 1.2 wire :D
[18:29:28] <anonimasu> is/are
[18:29:42] <robin_sz> alex_joni, you spray mode junkie
[18:29:53] <alex_joni> robin_sz: that's extreme I reckon, but usually around 380
[18:30:01] <anonimasu> :)
[18:30:04] <alex_joni> not spray.. pulsed
[18:30:13] <robin_sz> 380 peak,
[18:30:34] <robin_sz> probably only 200 average
[18:30:42] <alex_joni> 380A average pulsed = 500A peak, 90 base current
[18:30:48] <robin_sz> coo
[18:30:49] <anonimasu> alex_joni: while on it, I've got a welding question for you :)
[18:30:57] <alex_joni> anonimasu: shoot
[18:31:09] <alex_joni> robin_sz: now imagine twice that on a Tandem
[18:31:14] <anonimasu> when you weld tubing and stuff exhaust headers and such in stainless..
[18:31:32] <robin_sz> tig
[18:31:33] <anonimasu> how do you get _enough_ penetration, and keep the material from ( on the backside of the weld
[18:31:45] <alex_joni> anonimasu: really tricky
[18:31:50] <robin_sz> umm, pulse your tig
[18:32:00] <robin_sz> does your tig have a pulser?
[18:32:07] <alex_joni> 2 ways.. either very good fitting & parameters (pulsed, etc)
[18:32:11] <anonimasu> ofcourse..
[18:32:12] <alex_joni> or you support the back
[18:32:20] <alex_joni> or you use a vertical welding position
[18:32:28] <anonimasu> hm, supporting the back isnt possible :)
[18:32:42] <anonimasu> hm, so with the right parameters that shouldnt be a problem..
[18:32:44] <alex_joni> that makes it a bit harder on the welding, but easier on the whole thing to start running
[18:32:56] <alex_joni> err flowing
[18:35:42] <anonimasu> thanks :)
[18:35:57] <anonimasu> I should try and set the tig up for it..
[18:36:10] <anonimasu> or well, get some thin walled tubing..
[18:36:11] <anonimasu> and see :)
[18:46:00] <robin_sz> anonimasu, welding thin tube to thin tube is OK with pulsed tig, thin tube to 6mm thick header plate is more of a challenge
[18:50:32] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is busy writing documentation :/
[18:50:42] <alex_joni> and hating every minute of it :D
[18:50:46] <anonimasu> robin_sz: preheating the plate?
[18:51:14] <chinamill> would a Sempron processor be a good choise for running EMC?
[18:51:41] <alex_joni> chinamill: not only the processor is the one that determines the RT performance
[18:51:51] <alex_joni> I'd say that the mobo chipset is more crucial
[18:51:58] <alex_joni> and the memory used
[18:52:04] <alex_joni> and a LARGE amount of luck :)
[18:52:28] <alex_joni> best would be if you can test the system before buying, there is a RTAI test CD on rtai.org
[18:52:47] <chinamill> smart
[18:53:09] <chinamill> do you know a god chipset for the mobo?
[18:53:20] <alex_joni> there is also a page somewhere on rtai.org where you can see performances from various PC's
[18:53:30] <chinamill> great!
[18:53:57] <alex_joni> but that doesn't really mean anything.. it's pretty hard to have an exact copy of that setup..
[18:54:10] <alex_joni> * alex_joni is running an Athlon XP 1400+ which works great
[18:54:19] <alex_joni> I think it's an KT400 chipset
[18:54:39] <alex_joni> 2.5 CL DDRAM 333MHz
[18:54:48] <alex_joni> and it runs emc2 down to 6.5 usec
[18:55:04] <alex_joni> even using 3 parports :)
[18:55:13] <chinamill> ok
[19:03:23] <alex_joni> actually a bit more for 3 parports.. but still way too fast to be usefull
[19:03:30] <alex_joni> because of jitter
[19:08:35] <giacus> alex_joni: did you seen how I did it ?
[19:10:15] <alex_joni> did what?
[19:10:24] <giacus> it
[19:10:50] <giacus> http://www.giacus.org/files/sf_test.avi
[19:11:25] <alex_joni> looking now..
[19:12:48] <alex_joni> giacus: great :D
[19:14:21] <giacus> haha
[19:14:43] <alex_joni> * alex_joni goes back to lyx
[19:42:51] <alex_joni> robin_sz: still around?
[19:56:33] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/config_stepper.lyx: added a short description of the stepper configuration, as this is the most common one
[19:57:00] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/Master_User.lyx: include the stepper config description
[20:07:41] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/EMC2_User_Manual.pdf <- newest EMC2 User documentation
[20:08:47] <jepler> whee
[20:08:48] <jepler> * jepler looks
[20:09:45] <alex_joni> http://www.linuxcnc.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=5&Itemid=5 <- updated
[20:10:22] <alex_joni> jepler: btw, thanks for the great docs about AXIS in there
[20:11:28] <jepler> I'm glad you like them
[20:11:46] <Jymmm> !+sessions
[20:11:50] <Jymmm> !+session
[20:11:54] <Jymmm> doh
[20:11:55] <jepler> * jepler looooooks at Jymmm
[20:12:24] <Jymmm> jepler wrong window
[20:14:10] <alex_joni> jepler: any issues with that pdf?
[20:14:24] <jepler> alex_joni: the images look good, and the internal links I tried seem to work
[20:14:28] <jepler> alex_joni: those are the first things I checked
[20:15:03] <jepler> I still wonder if either Chapter 20 or section 12.17 (both about canned cycles) should be, er, canned
[20:15:39] <alex_joni> how do you mean that?
[20:16:44] <jepler> there should be only one section about canned cycles, not two
[20:17:58] <jepler> "should be canned" means "should be removed"
[20:18:07] <alex_joni> oh ok.. :)
[20:18:14] <Jymmm> Mmmmmmmmmm cans
[20:21:14] <alex_joni> * alex_joni decides to try latex2html
[20:22:36] <giacus> alex_joni: I already tried it
[20:22:48] <alex_joni> does it work on lyx files?
[20:23:13] <giacus> it seems work
[20:23:59] <giacus> but maybe latex could have some better converter
[20:24:09] <jepler> oh neat -- sim_servo even homes
[20:24:39] <jmkasunich> alex: just noticed somethign in the user doc
[20:24:50] <alex_joni> giacus: doesn't work here
[20:24:53] <alex_joni> hi john..
[20:24:56] <alex_joni> what's that?
[20:25:04] <jmkasunich> section 17.1, use appropriate decimal precision
[20:25:13] <jmkasunich> says use 3 digits for inches and 4 for mm
[20:25:21] <jmkasunich> that seems backwards
[20:25:31] <alex_joni> heh.. looking now
[20:25:47] <robin_sz> seems right to me ...
[20:25:50] <giacus> alex_joni: sorry.. I missed it, was lyx2html-0.2
[20:25:59] <giacus> not latex
[20:26:07] <jmkasunich> 0.001" is much bigger than 0.0001mm
[20:26:09] <alex_joni> oh.. that sounds a lot better.. any idea where to get it?
[20:26:26] <robin_sz> uses of mm will be using modern machines worht the 4th digit, inch uses are probably using wooden bedways and flint toolling
[20:27:17] <jepler> I agree it's probably backwards
[20:27:25] <jepler> #define TOLERANCE_INCH 0.0005
[20:27:25] <jepler> #define TOLERANCE_MM 0.005
[20:27:34] <giacus> http://www.netmeister.org/apps/lyx2html/index.html
[20:27:43] <robin_sz> sshh, im busy winding up Americans ;)
[20:27:54] <jepler> I meant to give values that were related to TOLERANCE_INCH and TOLERANCE_MM, which are used in various places. Most frequently for finding whether arcs are valid or not.
[20:28:00] <jmkasunich> * jmkasunich slaps robin_sz with a dead (very dead) tuna
[20:28:18] <robin_sz> * robin_sz produces a very large and very dead cod
[20:28:50] <robin_sz> apart from that, are you well?
[20:28:59] <jmkasunich> heh, even a small tuna is larger than a large cod!
[20:29:04] <robin_sz> is it?
[20:29:15] <robin_sz> I thought cod was huge?
[20:29:20] <robin_sz> shrug
[20:29:26] <alex_joni> robin_sz: ever got around and try emc2 & the Live CD?
[20:29:48] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: shouldn't we document G50 & G51 ?
[20:30:35] <jmkasunich> yeah
[20:30:38] <robin_sz> alex_joni, sadly not ... very time limited at the moment
[20:30:49] <alex_joni> robin_sz: too bad
[20:30:50] <CIA-8> 03alex_joni 07HEAD * 10documents/lyx/emc2/gcode.lyx: this was probably intended backwards
[20:31:06] <robin_sz> alex_joni, supposed to be coding some Java before my Swiss colleague lands in Washington to run it :)
[20:31:45] <jmkasunich> robin_sz: record for a tuna is 458cm long and 684Kg
[20:31:50] <robin_sz> gulp
[20:31:58] <jmkasunich> 200cm is "normal"
[20:32:04] <robin_sz> maybe I wasthinking they were like sardines?
[20:32:09] <alex_joni> lol
[20:32:10] <jmkasunich> heh ;-)
[20:32:28] <alex_joni> that's really one big tuna
[20:32:42] <jmkasunich> http://www.flmnh.ufl.edu/fish/Gallery/Descript/BluefinTuna/sepiabluefin.JPG
[20:32:45] <robin_sz> im suprised there are many left ... sounds a profitable catch
[20:33:28] <robin_sz> oh well, back to coding ...
[20:34:07] <jmkasunich> robin: on a completely different topic... I picked up a ruger Mk3 a few weeks ago
[20:34:10] <jmkasunich> quite fun
[20:34:28] <alex_joni> juve@ubuntu:~/documents/lyx/emc2$ lyx2html Master_User.lyx
[20:34:28] <alex_joni> Segmentation fault
[20:34:36] <jmkasunich> oops
[20:34:37] <alex_joni> now this is usefull...
[20:34:47] <robin_sz> jmkasunich, the 1022 semi?
[20:35:00] <jmkasunich> 22 cal semi pistol
[20:35:11] <robin_sz> right, nice.
[20:35:13] <jmkasunich> with a 2x scope, bull barrel,
[20:35:15] <giacus> alex_joni: is it the latest version of lyx ?
[20:35:18] <robin_sz> good plinking toy for the back yard
[20:35:23] <jmkasunich> I wish
[20:35:34] <alex_joni> giacus: you mean lyx2html or lyx?
[20:35:36] <jmkasunich> I have to drive nearly 40 miles to find an outdoor range
[20:35:40] <robin_sz> oopsy
[20:35:40] <giacus> lyx
[20:35:50] <alex_joni> lyx 1.3.6
[20:35:52] <jmkasunich> indoor range only about 5 miles tho
[20:36:02] <robin_sz> jmkasunich,how long is your basement ? ;)
[20:36:05] <jmkasunich> darned cities
[20:36:10] <jmkasunich> not long enough
[20:36:21] <giacus> alex_joni: same here
[20:36:27] <alex_joni> jmkasunich: if you insist it'll be lond enough one day
[20:36:33] <alex_joni> long even
[20:36:53] <robin_sz> lets try: good plinking toy for use in les's back yard
[20:36:55] <giacus> try with the test in ~/lyx2html-0.2$
[20:36:56] <alex_joni> probably need something bigger than a 22 cal for that
[20:36:57] <robin_sz> tahst better
[20:37:13] <jmkasunich> yeah. les's yard would work
[20:37:29] <jmkasunich> I had some fun at the outdoor range - they have 25, 50, and 100 yard ranges
[20:37:34] <alex_joni> giacus: that works
[20:37:39] <jmkasunich> I shot a little at 100 with the .45
[20:37:46] <robin_sz> hit the target?
[20:38:01] <jmkasunich> fire, recoil, begin to re-acquire sight pic, then see puff of dust as the bullet lands
[20:38:23] <jmkasunich> I hit the 2 foot square target with 2 of 5 shots
[20:38:38] <jmkasunich> (I was pressed for time, they were closing, and I had started at the shorter ranges)
[20:38:47] <giacus> parobably its a lyx vers. issue
[20:38:51] <alex_joni> Known bugs
[20:38:51] <alex_joni> As mentioned earlier, this release of lyx2html is a beta-release. Lots of things are not working correctly or at all. If you find a bug, please report it to the author. If you get a segfault, please send a backtrace to the author. This will help improve the programs performance.
[20:38:56] <alex_joni> The current memory-allocation is, even though improved over 0.1.1, still miserable and even leads to occasional segfaults. I definitely have to work on this!
[20:39:01] <robin_sz> our 100yd targets have a 28mm bull ... I won the local 100yds comp with a score of 195 ex 200 last year :)
[20:39:02] <alex_joni> no sh*t
[20:39:09] <jmkasunich> hmm, not ready for prime time I guess
[20:39:26] <jmkasunich> you have a bit more than 4" of barrel to work with ;-)
[20:39:29] <robin_sz> pistol is much harder at those ranges
[20:39:57] <robin_sz> yeah, and lying down with a sling helps *a bit* too ;)
[20:40:03] <jmkasunich> heh
[20:40:23] <robin_sz> right .. I MUST code this Java or my ass is going to get fired
[20:40:36] <jmkasunich> have fun
[20:40:41] <jmkasunich> :-/
[21:03:42] <Jymmm> he's gonna fire himself?
[21:03:59] <Jymmm> * Jymmm wishes he could do that
[22:00:00] <K4ts> hello
[22:02:58] <Jymmm> Hola Anna!
[22:08:06] <alex_joni> good night all
[22:08:12] <Jymmm> night
[22:08:36] <SkunkWorks> night alex.
[22:09:49] <SkunkWorks> can I install emc head without screwing up the pre-compiled testing?
[22:10:05] <jmkasunich> I wouldn't actually install it
[22:10:08] <jmkasunich> run it in place
[22:10:55] <jmkasunich> its best to have only one version installed, and right now that should be 2.0.0 (soon to be replaced by 2.0.1, but if you have ubuntu that upgrade will be painless, the update manager will handle it)
[22:10:58] <K4ts> hola Jymmm
[22:11:39] <SkunkWorks> I might just wait then. (thought I might play with head)
[22:12:33] <Jymmm> =)
[22:31:01] <SkunkWorks> that did sound bad didn't it :)
[22:31:26] <Jymmm> SkunkWorks: It's a natural human reaction to puberty
[22:38:09] <SkunkWorks> jmkasunich: did you see http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cncworkshop/cncworkshopemc.JPG
[22:38:20] <jmkasunich> looking now
[22:38:28] <jmkasunich> cool
[22:38:50] <SkunkWorks> few of the good picures http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cncworkshop/
[22:42:56] <jmkasunich> wow, you really did catch the "first chips"
[22:43:01] <jmkasunich> perfect timing
[22:44:26] <SkunkWorks> That was all dad. :)
[22:45:41] <jmkasunich> shame the one with the emc gang is so dark
[22:46:15] <SkunkWorks> jepler thought it could be lightened - also rick took a bunch too - have not seen them.
[22:46:25] <SkunkWorks> rick-o-matick
[22:46:28] <SkunkWorks> matic
[22:46:52] <SkunkWorks> I am sure more will surface.
[22:47:54] <SkunkWorks> we don't know who the scragler is to the left of cradek
[22:48:12] <jmkasunich> I don't know his name either
[22:48:38] <jmkasunich> he had a southern accent, and seemed very knowledgeable about mazaks in general
[22:48:42] <SkunkWorks> we can almost zoom in and get his name - but not quite
[22:48:51] <SkunkWorks> yes. that is what I remember
[22:49:47] <SkunkWorks> he was worried about the belvel springs or how ever you spell that
[22:49:51] <SkunkWorks> for the tool
[22:49:57] <jmkasunich> yeh
[22:50:01] <jmkasunich> yep even
[22:53:36] <jmkasunich> http://home.att.net/~jmkasunich/Pics/cncworkshopemc.JPG
[22:53:49] <jmkasunich> I gimp-ified it a bit, increased brightness and contrast
[22:55:41] <jmkasunich> if I increase it any more JonE's white shirt explodes
[22:55:58] <SkunkWorks> wow - nice job.
[22:56:17] <SkunkWorks> that looks very good
[22:56:26] <jmkasunich> I wonder if your camera spot meters off the center of the screen
[22:56:40] <jmkasunich> Jon's shirt is right in the middle, and it is just about perfectly exposed
[22:57:00] <SkunkWorks> I know he has it set up for the middle of view. So you could be right
[22:57:02] <jmkasunich> but since its so much lighter than everything else, the rest is dark
[22:58:02] <jmkasunich> there is definitely an above average amount of facial hair at the CNC workshop
[22:58:14] <jmkasunich> 8 of 10 in that pic
[22:58:46] <SkunkWorks> isn't that an ongoing joke of linux users? :)
[22:58:56] <jmkasunich> might be
[22:59:05] <SkunkWorks> that is how they are portrayed on the dilbert cartoon ;)
[22:59:14] <jmkasunich> doubly true for Linux CNC people
[22:59:50] <jmkasunich> machinists are beardier than average, Linux geeks are beardier than average, combine them and theres fuzz everywhere
[23:00:02] <SkunkWorks> If you don't mind - I think I will put the lightened picture back into my directory
[23:00:10] <jmkasunich> sure
[23:03:45] <CIA-8> 03jmkasunich 07HEAD * 10emc2/src/module_helper/module_helper.c: added names of RTLinux modules to whitelist
[23:03:54] <SkunkWorks> there - thanks http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cncworkshop/cncworkshopemc.jpg
[23:05:10] <Jymmm> beard convention?
[23:05:16] <jmkasunich> yeah
[23:05:35] <Jymmm> LOL... Steven be the youngin in the group
[23:06:10] <jmkasunich> he's probably about the same as jepler and cradek
[23:06:49] <Jymmm> Ok, Ray's holding Tux, and I know Steve, whos' teh rest?
[23:06:57] <jmkasunich> from the left
[23:07:00] <jmkasunich> steve stallings
[23:07:04] <jmkasunich> matt shaver
[23:07:06] <jmkasunich> me
[23:07:08] <jmkasunich> jepler
[23:07:10] <jmkasunich> tux
[23:07:11] <jmkasunich> ray
[23:07:19] <jmkasunich> jon elson
[23:07:22] <jmkasunich> swpadnos
[23:07:26] <jmkasunich> daveE
[23:07:31] <jmkasunich> (engvals)
[23:07:36] <jmkasunich> mystery guy
[23:07:38] <jmkasunich> cradek
[23:08:01] <jmkasunich> somebody must know who mystery guy is, ray probably does
[23:08:46] <Jymmm> Eh, somebody just wandering by and thought it was interesting
[23:09:16] <jmkasunich> no, he was helping
[23:09:26] <jmkasunich> he knew a lot about mazaks in general
[23:09:27] <Jymmm> no name tag either
[23:09:37] <Jymmm> webersys?
[23:09:50] <jmkasunich> don't think so
[23:10:06] <Jymmm> heh, just look at the nick list for the channel =)
[23:10:09] <jmkasunich> he talked like he was a machinist with lots of experience using or maybe servicing mazaks
[23:10:23] <jmkasunich> I don't think he hangs around here
[23:10:52] <jmkasunich> I don't think he's an emc guy at all
[23:11:15] <Jymmm> ah, will ask ray, he must know.
[23:11:55] <Jymmm> "The Montley Crew of EMC 2006"
[23:12:02] <jmkasunich> thats about it
[23:12:16] <jmkasunich> fenn isn't in that pic tho
[23:12:37] <SkunkWorks> I think he was casting at the time. :(
[23:12:42] <jmkasunich> could be
[23:12:53] <jmkasunich> he's the young one of the group
[23:13:34] <Jymmm> lol
[23:13:47] <Jymmm> you gotta drag les next time
[23:14:08] <jmkasunich> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cncworkshop/fennalum.JPG
[23:14:18] <jmkasunich> the only pic that (sort of) shows fenn
[23:14:42] <Jymmm> with welders mack and all =)
[23:14:44] <Jymmm> mask
[23:15:31] <Jymmm> So, who is/was hosting the fest?
[23:15:42] <jmkasunich> roland friestad
[23:15:54] <Jymmm> no clue
[23:15:54] <jmkasunich> http://www.electronicsam.com/images/KandT/cncworkshop/roland.JPG
[23:16:03] <jmkasunich> the one in the middle
[23:16:15] <Jymmm> I've heard the name, but no idea what he does
[23:16:28] <jmkasunich> he runs "Cardinal Engineering"
[23:16:41] <Jymmm> ah, ok.
[23:16:44] <jmkasunich> what he does is a very long list
[23:16:56] <jmkasunich> he stamps out farm machine parts
[23:17:12] <jmkasunich> he converts Grizzly mill-drills to CNC and sells them
[23:17:19] <Jymmm> I recognise Cardinal Engineering, just didnt put the two together
[23:17:32] <jmkasunich> he makes all kinds of weird stuff, like ice skate sharpening machines
[23:17:36] <SkunkWorks> he writes for home shop machinist <- think that is right
[23:17:40] <jmkasunich> yes
[23:17:47] <Jymmm> So did all that showed up participate, or more lookyloos?
[23:17:54] <jmkasunich> both
[23:18:02] <SkunkWorks> I was a lookyloo
[23:18:04] <jmkasunich> there were probably 100 or more folks there
[23:18:17] <jmkasunich> it is intended to be educational, so lots are there to look and learn
[23:18:42] <jmkasunich> Cardinal occupies a small old school building
[23:19:01] <jmkasunich> he had two classrooms set up, probably 20-30 classes during the week
[23:19:02] <Jymmm> You know, and the LUG here in San Jose, they have a linux install fest every week for the beginners. Maybe something along those lines buy CNC wise.
[23:19:14] <jmkasunich> everything from casting to anodizing to edm to ....
[23:19:17] <Jymmm> s/buy/but/
[23:20:16] <SkunkWorks> I don't think I have any picutures of fenn.
[23:20:37] <Jymmm> was it scheduled so you could see everything, or sorta a free for all?
[23:20:41] <jmkasunich> you mean ones with his face in them?
[23:20:46] <SkunkWorks> right :)
[23:21:00] <Jymmm> LOL.... cut-n-paste fenn doll
[23:22:02] <Jymmm> Jymmm has changed the topic to: Welcome to the Enhanced Machine Control forum - a linux based CNC control. | EMC2.0.0 is out .. | Home: www.linuxcnc.org | wiki up @ wiki.linuxcnc.org | EMC usage map: www.frappr.com/emc2/ || Submit you Fenn photos so we can complete our copy-n-paste fenn doll
[23:22:24] <jmkasunich> http://www.cnc-workshop.com/schedule.htm
[23:22:53] <jmkasunich> click there for a schedule of what was going on in the classrooms
[23:25:06] <Jymmm> swap meet? anythign good?
[23:25:28] <jmkasunich> I was selling, not buying
[23:25:39] <Jymmm> ok, what were you selling?
[23:25:58] <Jymmm> and dont tell me you 16ch kvm switch =)
[23:26:31] <jmkasunich> no, I didn't take that
[23:26:38] <jmkasunich> did sell a 2-way one there
[23:26:52] <jmkasunich> sold some stepper motors, servos, drives, encoders, stuff like that
[23:27:10] <Jymmm> ah, excess junk box stuff
[23:27:24] <SkunkWorks> where those the advance boxes (drives)
[23:28:13] <jmkasunich> ?
[23:28:23] <Jymmm> you know, the montley crew pic might be nice to put on the website
[23:28:35] <Jymmm> once we figure out who mystery guys is =)
[23:28:40] <jmkasunich> Jymmm: good idea
[23:29:08] <SkunkWorks> maybe I should ask - what where the drives you where selling?
[23:29:37] <jmkasunich> I had some very old CSR Contraves servodrives, and one newer servodrive that didn't sell
[23:30:01] <jmkasunich> the CSR's went very cheap to a guy who planned to gut them and just use the power supply
[23:30:15] <jmkasunich> I didn't care, I just didn't want to bring them home
[23:30:40] <Jymmm> lol I know that feeling
[23:31:25] <Jymmm> Now you know why I got rid of 4 pallets of computer stuff
[23:31:52] <fenn> hm i missed the photo op
[23:32:11] <Jymmm> fenn see topic
[23:33:57] <fenn> http://us.a2.yahoofs.com/groups/g_17548664/a5a2/__sr_/ce32.jpg?grg0ReEBq2NSR4Wx
[23:33:59] <Jymmm> ~~~~~
[23:34:11] <fenn> are you drooling?
[23:34:40] <Jymmm> heh, no... my lil way of "tagging" irc logs when I search for something down the road
[23:35:01] <fenn> i wonder how i managed to stand at a 10 degree angle
[23:35:16] <Jymmm> wind
[23:35:33] <Jymmm> or the heat from the forge
[23:36:10] <Jymmm> damn, no ammo on sale this week =(
[23:39:05] <Jymmm> Ok, I know we all like creature comforts when camping, but come on....
[23:39:06] <Jymmm> http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=9927-A50&categoryid=26003
[23:42:22] <Jymmm> Now, THIS one is just sad and pathetic.... http://www.coleman.com/coleman/colemancom/detail.asp?product_id=5008B700T&categoryid=5180
[23:44:16] <samco> samco is now known as SkunkWorks